Re: [H] who is getting Oblivion?

2006-02-01 Thread Jim Edwards
I read where the programing for the NPC was based on schedules and tasks to 
perform with surprising results even to Bethesda. They gave an domesticated 
Oger the task of tilling a field. He had a rake but wanted a hoe. He 
attacked another Oger that had a hoe. But that Oger wanted a rake anyway so 
Oger 2 bashed Oger 1 and took his rake. Might be fun just to watch the AI.




RE: [H] Serious battery life bug found in new Intel Processor kepthidden by Wintel and press

2006-02-01 Thread Mark Dodge
How would I know if I have a Core Duo???
I have a laptop with dual cores or at least dnet says it is. Is there some
kind of logo? 


Mark Dodge
MD Computers
360-772-2433 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 9:30 AM
To: hwg
Subject: [H] Serious battery life bug found in new Intel Processor
kepthidden by Wintel and press

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/01/29/opinion_core_duo_microsoft_power_drain/

If you plug a USB 2.0 device into one of the new Inteo Core Duo laptops, it
reduces the battery life by 80 minutes.

Microsoft and Intel knew about this bug months ago but didn't bother to tell
anyone.  Many tech journalists have evaluated the laptops and none of them
found this bug.

The Core Duo is the chip that all of Apple's new laptops and Intel's entire
new line of laptops is built on.  Intel blames M$ drivers, which is
interesting.
--
Brian


--
Brian



Re: [H] Serious battery life bug found in new Intel Processorkepthidden by Wintel and press

2006-02-01 Thread Greg Sevart

Probably just hyperthreading, unless you got it very, very recently...

Try this utility to identify:
http://www.cpuid.org/cpuz.php


- Original Message - 
From: Mark Dodge [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: 'The Hardware List' hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:01 AM
Subject: RE: [H] Serious battery life bug found in new Intel 
Processorkepthidden by Wintel and press




How would I know if I have a Core Duo???
I have a laptop with dual cores or at least dnet says it is. Is there some
kind of logo?


Mark Dodge
MD Computers
360-772-2433
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 9:30 AM
To: hwg
Subject: [H] Serious battery life bug found in new Intel Processor
kepthidden by Wintel and press

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/01/29/opinion_core_duo_microsoft_power_drain/

If you plug a USB 2.0 device into one of the new Inteo Core Duo laptops, 
it

reduces the battery life by 80 minutes.

Microsoft and Intel knew about this bug months ago but didn't bother to 
tell
anyone.  Many tech journalists have evaluated the laptops and none of 
them

found this bug.

The Core Duo is the chip that all of Apple's new laptops and Intel's 
entire

new line of laptops is built on.  Intel blames M$ drivers, which is
interesting.
--
Brian


--
Brian







Re: [H] Serious battery life bug found in new Intel Processor kepthidden by Wintel and press

2006-02-01 Thread Brian Weeden
The CoreDuo is Intel's new mobile CPU line and to the best of my
knowledge no current products have it.  The first ones will be the new
Mac Book Pros announced by Jobs.  The other major notebook
manufactureres will be close behind.

You have a dual core CPU but not a CoreDou, which is the new
marketing name.  Intel is dropping the name Pentium.

On 2/1/06, Mark Dodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 How would I know if I have a Core Duo???
 I have a laptop with dual cores or at least dnet says it is. Is there some
 kind of logo?


 Mark Dodge
 MD Computers
 360-772-2433
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden
 Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 9:30 AM
 To: hwg
 Subject: [H] Serious battery life bug found in new Intel Processor
 kepthidden by Wintel and press

 http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/01/29/opinion_core_duo_microsoft_power_drain/

 If you plug a USB 2.0 device into one of the new Inteo Core Duo laptops, it
 reduces the battery life by 80 minutes.

 Microsoft and Intel knew about this bug months ago but didn't bother to tell
 anyone.  Many tech journalists have evaluated the laptops and none of them
 found this bug.

 The Core Duo is the chip that all of Apple's new laptops and Intel's entire
 new line of laptops is built on.  Intel blames M$ drivers, which is
 interesting.
 --
 Brian


 --
 Brian




--
Brian



Re: [H] Serious battery life bug found in new Intel Processorkepthidden by Wintel and press

2006-02-01 Thread Greg Sevart
Any dual core Pentium M chips are technically Core Duo. Dell has been 
shipping Dual Core P-M / Core Duo laptops for a while--even before Apple 
announced.


All that Core Duo is is the Yonah DC P-M.


- Original Message - 
From: Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: [H] Serious battery life bug found in new Intel 
Processorkepthidden by Wintel and press




The CoreDuo is Intel's new mobile CPU line and to the best of my
knowledge no current products have it.  The first ones will be the new
Mac Book Pros announced by Jobs.  The other major notebook
manufactureres will be close behind.

You have a dual core CPU but not a CoreDou, which is the new
marketing name.  Intel is dropping the name Pentium.

On 2/1/06, Mark Dodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

How would I know if I have a Core Duo???
I have a laptop with dual cores or at least dnet says it is. Is there 
some

kind of logo?


Mark Dodge
MD Computers
360-772-2433
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 9:30 AM
To: hwg
Subject: [H] Serious battery life bug found in new Intel Processor
kepthidden by Wintel and press

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/01/29/opinion_core_duo_microsoft_power_drain/

If you plug a USB 2.0 device into one of the new Inteo Core Duo laptops, 
it

reduces the battery life by 80 minutes.

Microsoft and Intel knew about this bug months ago but didn't bother to 
tell
anyone.  Many tech journalists have evaluated the laptops and none of 
them

found this bug.

The Core Duo is the chip that all of Apple's new laptops and Intel's 
entire

new line of laptops is built on.  Intel blames M$ drivers, which is
interesting.
--
Brian


--
Brian





--
Brian







Re: [H] Serious battery life bug found in new Intel Processorkepthidden by Wintel and press

2006-02-01 Thread Brian Weeden
http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.aspx?i=2663

How has Dell been shipping Core Duo when it didn't launch until 6 Jan?

According to Anand, the Pentium M is the Dothan/Yonah core and Core
Duo is the Sonoma/Napa core.  Unless there is something else I am
missing.

Now, they are still using the Centrino name for their new laptops but
it will be the Core Duo and a new chipset instead of Pentium-M.

On 2/1/06, Greg Sevart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Any dual core Pentium M chips are technically Core Duo. Dell has been
 shipping Dual Core P-M / Core Duo laptops for a while--even before Apple
 announced.

 All that Core Duo is is the Yonah DC P-M.


 - Original Message -
 From: Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 9:42 AM
 Subject: Re: [H] Serious battery life bug found in new Intel
 Processorkepthidden by Wintel and press


  The CoreDuo is Intel's new mobile CPU line and to the best of my
  knowledge no current products have it.  The first ones will be the new
  Mac Book Pros announced by Jobs.  The other major notebook
  manufactureres will be close behind.
 
  You have a dual core CPU but not a CoreDou, which is the new
  marketing name.  Intel is dropping the name Pentium.
 
  On 2/1/06, Mark Dodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  How would I know if I have a Core Duo???
  I have a laptop with dual cores or at least dnet says it is. Is there
  some
  kind of logo?
 
 
  Mark Dodge
  MD Computers
  360-772-2433
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden
  Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 9:30 AM
  To: hwg
  Subject: [H] Serious battery life bug found in new Intel Processor
  kepthidden by Wintel and press
 
  http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/01/29/opinion_core_duo_microsoft_power_drain/
 
  If you plug a USB 2.0 device into one of the new Inteo Core Duo laptops,
  it
  reduces the battery life by 80 minutes.
 
  Microsoft and Intel knew about this bug months ago but didn't bother to
  tell
  anyone.  Many tech journalists have evaluated the laptops and none of
  them
  found this bug.
 
  The Core Duo is the chip that all of Apple's new laptops and Intel's
  entire
  new line of laptops is built on.  Intel blames M$ drivers, which is
  interesting.
  --
  Brian
 
 
  --
  Brian
 
 
 
 
  --
  Brian
 
 





--
Brian



Re: [H] Serious battery life bug found in new IntelProcessorkepthidden by Wintel and press

2006-02-01 Thread Greg Sevart

Negative. From page 2 of the article you linked:

The Core Duo microprocessor is nothing more than the dual core Yonah we've 
been talking about for quite a while now; and the 945 Express chipset should 
sound very familiar as it is a mobile version of the 945 chipset that was 
released on the desktop side last year.
Now the combination of the Core Duo processor, 945 Express chipset and the 
3945ABG wireless solution is what is known as the Napa platform.  In other 
words, the code name for Centrino Duo is Napa.  Its predecessor is Sonoma, 
which is the code name for the Centrino platform that was composed of Intel's 
Pentium M (based on Dothan), 915 chipset and 2915ABG wireless solution.  We 
will refer to Napa and Sonoma later in this article, so just keep in mind 
that Napa is the current Centrino Duo while Sonoma is the previous 
generation Centrino based on Dothan. 


Core Duo is nothing more than Yonah DC.

Dell was shipping DC Yonah laptops (AKA Core Duo machines) for at least a 
week prior to Apple's announcement. I can personally recall looking at a DC 
1.86 Yonah at Dell the week before Apple's launch.


In short: ANY dual core Intel laptop is Core Duo.

- Original Message - 
From: Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [H] Serious battery life bug found in new 
IntelProcessorkepthidden by Wintel and press




http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.aspx?i=2663

How has Dell been shipping Core Duo when it didn't launch until 6 Jan?

According to Anand, the Pentium M is the Dothan/Yonah core and Core
Duo is the Sonoma/Napa core.  Unless there is something else I am
missing.

Now, they are still using the Centrino name for their new laptops but
it will be the Core Duo and a new chipset instead of Pentium-M.

On 2/1/06, Greg Sevart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Any dual core Pentium M chips are technically Core Duo. Dell has been
shipping Dual Core P-M / Core Duo laptops for a while--even before Apple
announced.

All that Core Duo is is the Yonah DC P-M.


- Original Message -
From: Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: [H] Serious battery life bug found in new Intel
Processorkepthidden by Wintel and press


 The CoreDuo is Intel's new mobile CPU line and to the best of my
 knowledge no current products have it.  The first ones will be the new
 Mac Book Pros announced by Jobs.  The other major notebook
 manufactureres will be close behind.

 You have a dual core CPU but not a CoreDou, which is the new
 marketing name.  Intel is dropping the name Pentium.

 On 2/1/06, Mark Dodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 How would I know if I have a Core Duo???
 I have a laptop with dual cores or at least dnet says it is. Is there
 some
 kind of logo?


 Mark Dodge
 MD Computers
 360-772-2433
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden
 Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 9:30 AM
 To: hwg
 Subject: [H] Serious battery life bug found in new Intel Processor
 kepthidden by Wintel and press

 http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/01/29/opinion_core_duo_microsoft_power_drain/

 If you plug a USB 2.0 device into one of the new Inteo Core Duo 
 laptops,

 it
 reduces the battery life by 80 minutes.

 Microsoft and Intel knew about this bug months ago but didn't bother 
 to

 tell
 anyone.  Many tech journalists have evaluated the laptops and none 
 of

 them
 found this bug.

 The Core Duo is the chip that all of Apple's new laptops and Intel's
 entire
 new line of laptops is built on.  Intel blames M$ drivers, which is
 interesting.
 --
 Brian


 --
 Brian




 --
 Brian








--
Brian







Re: [H] Serious battery life bug found in new IntelProcessorkepthidden by Wintel and press

2006-02-01 Thread Brian Weeden
Yes, I get that the Core Duo is just a new name for the Yonah that we
have been waiting for.  But Anand's article doesn't mention anything
that I saw about them already shipping.

This article (dated 13 Jan) says that Core Duo laptops from Dell and
others are not available yet:
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=28955

This article (27 Jan) says that Acer and Sony just started shipping,
but Dell, Apple, Gateway, HP, and Lenovo have not:
http://news.com.com/Intels+Core+Duo+health+causes+PC+industry+pain/2100-1006_3-6032252.html

More info on the various models and features being offered from
different vendors:
http://www.cnet.com/4520-6022_1-6410042.html

Something is not right here.  How could Dell have been shipping DC
laptops weeks ago when all the articles I was able to Google say they
are still waiting or are behind Apple?  Are the articles wrong?

Also, I really hate all these crappy codenames and marketing slogans. 
Whatever happened to the good old days with simple naming conventions
and easy to compare products.  Oh wait, thats right - we don't want
the consumer to know what they are buying so they have to trust our
marketing hype.

On 2/1/06, Greg Sevart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Negative. From page 2 of the article you linked:

 The Core Duo microprocessor is nothing more than the dual core Yonah we've
 been talking about for quite a while now; and the 945 Express chipset should
 sound very familiar as it is a mobile version of the 945 chipset that was
 released on the desktop side last year.
 Now the combination of the Core Duo processor, 945 Express chipset and the
 3945ABG wireless solution is what is known as the Napa platform.  In other
 words, the code name for Centrino Duo is Napa.  Its predecessor is Sonoma,
 which is the code name for the Centrino platform that was composed of Intel's
 Pentium M (based on Dothan), 915 chipset and 2915ABG wireless solution.  We
 will refer to Napa and Sonoma later in this article, so just keep in mind
 that Napa is the current Centrino Duo while Sonoma is the previous
 generation Centrino based on Dothan. 

 Core Duo is nothing more than Yonah DC.

 Dell was shipping DC Yonah laptops (AKA Core Duo machines) for at least a
 week prior to Apple's announcement. I can personally recall looking at a DC
 1.86 Yonah at Dell the week before Apple's launch.

 In short: ANY dual core Intel laptop is Core Duo.

 - Original Message -
 From: Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [H] Serious battery life bug found in new
 IntelProcessorkepthidden by Wintel and press


  http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.aspx?i=2663
 
  How has Dell been shipping Core Duo when it didn't launch until 6 Jan?
 
  According to Anand, the Pentium M is the Dothan/Yonah core and Core
  Duo is the Sonoma/Napa core.  Unless there is something else I am
  missing.
 
  Now, they are still using the Centrino name for their new laptops but
  it will be the Core Duo and a new chipset instead of Pentium-M.
 
  On 2/1/06, Greg Sevart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Any dual core Pentium M chips are technically Core Duo. Dell has been
  shipping Dual Core P-M / Core Duo laptops for a while--even before Apple
  announced.
 
  All that Core Duo is is the Yonah DC P-M.
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com
  Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 9:42 AM
  Subject: Re: [H] Serious battery life bug found in new Intel
  Processorkepthidden by Wintel and press
 
 
   The CoreDuo is Intel's new mobile CPU line and to the best of my
   knowledge no current products have it.  The first ones will be the new
   Mac Book Pros announced by Jobs.  The other major notebook
   manufactureres will be close behind.
  
   You have a dual core CPU but not a CoreDou, which is the new
   marketing name.  Intel is dropping the name Pentium.
  
   On 2/1/06, Mark Dodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   How would I know if I have a Core Duo???
   I have a laptop with dual cores or at least dnet says it is. Is there
   some
   kind of logo?
  
  
   Mark Dodge
   MD Computers
   360-772-2433
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden
   Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 9:30 AM
   To: hwg
   Subject: [H] Serious battery life bug found in new Intel Processor
   kepthidden by Wintel and press
  
   http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/01/29/opinion_core_duo_microsoft_power_drain/
  
   If you plug a USB 2.0 device into one of the new Inteo Core Duo
   laptops,
   it
   reduces the battery life by 80 minutes.
  
   Microsoft and Intel knew about this bug months ago but didn't bother
   to
   tell
   anyone.  Many tech journalists have evaluated the laptops and none
   of
   them
   found this bug.
  
   The Core Duo is the chip that all of Apple's new laptops and Intel's
   entire
   new 

Re: [H] Serious battery life bug found in newIntelProcessorkepthidden by Wintel and press

2006-02-01 Thread Greg Sevart

This deal:
http://www.slickdeals.net/?fromMonth=1fromDay=1fromYear=2006toMonth=1toDay=10toYear=2006site=slickdealspastdeals=Go#p6930
was the deal I was referring to in my previous message. It was a 1.866DC 
Core Duo from Dell on 1/6/06.


What I'm uncertain of, however, is if they were actually shipped en masse. I 
could be mistaken on that part.


Greg

- Original Message - 
From: Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [H] Serious battery life bug found in 
newIntelProcessorkepthidden by Wintel and press




Yes, I get that the Core Duo is just a new name for the Yonah that we
have been waiting for.  But Anand's article doesn't mention anything
that I saw about them already shipping.

This article (dated 13 Jan) says that Core Duo laptops from Dell and
others are not available yet:
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=28955

This article (27 Jan) says that Acer and Sony just started shipping,
but Dell, Apple, Gateway, HP, and Lenovo have not:
http://news.com.com/Intels+Core+Duo+health+causes+PC+industry+pain/2100-1006_3-6032252.html

More info on the various models and features being offered from
different vendors:
http://www.cnet.com/4520-6022_1-6410042.html

Something is not right here.  How could Dell have been shipping DC
laptops weeks ago when all the articles I was able to Google say they
are still waiting or are behind Apple?  Are the articles wrong?

Also, I really hate all these crappy codenames and marketing slogans.
Whatever happened to the good old days with simple naming conventions
and easy to compare products.  Oh wait, thats right - we don't want
the consumer to know what they are buying so they have to trust our
marketing hype.

On 2/1/06, Greg Sevart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Negative. From page 2 of the article you linked:

The Core Duo microprocessor is nothing more than the dual core Yonah 
we've
been talking about for quite a while now; and the 945 Express chipset 
should

sound very familiar as it is a mobile version of the 945 chipset that was
released on the desktop side last year.
Now the combination of the Core Duo processor, 945 Express chipset and 
the
3945ABG wireless solution is what is known as the Napa platform.  In 
other
words, the code name for Centrino Duo is Napa.  Its predecessor is 
Sonoma,
which is the code name for the Centrino platform that was composed of 
Intel's
Pentium M (based on Dothan), 915 chipset and 2915ABG wireless solution. 
We

will refer to Napa and Sonoma later in this article, so just keep in mind
that Napa is the current Centrino Duo while Sonoma is the previous
generation Centrino based on Dothan. 

Core Duo is nothing more than Yonah DC.

Dell was shipping DC Yonah laptops (AKA Core Duo machines) for at least a
week prior to Apple's announcement. I can personally recall looking at a 
DC

1.86 Yonah at Dell the week before Apple's launch.

In short: ANY dual core Intel laptop is Core Duo.

- Original Message -
From: Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [H] Serious battery life bug found in new
IntelProcessorkepthidden by Wintel and press


 http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.aspx?i=2663

 How has Dell been shipping Core Duo when it didn't launch until 6 Jan?

 According to Anand, the Pentium M is the Dothan/Yonah core and Core
 Duo is the Sonoma/Napa core.  Unless there is something else I am
 missing.

 Now, they are still using the Centrino name for their new laptops but
 it will be the Core Duo and a new chipset instead of Pentium-M.

 On 2/1/06, Greg Sevart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Any dual core Pentium M chips are technically Core Duo. Dell has 
 been
 shipping Dual Core P-M / Core Duo laptops for a while--even before 
 Apple

 announced.

 All that Core Duo is is the Yonah DC P-M.


 - Original Message -
 From: Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 9:42 AM
 Subject: Re: [H] Serious battery life bug found in new Intel
 Processorkepthidden by Wintel and press


  The CoreDuo is Intel's new mobile CPU line and to the best of my
  knowledge no current products have it.  The first ones will be the 
  new

  Mac Book Pros announced by Jobs.  The other major notebook
  manufactureres will be close behind.
 
  You have a dual core CPU but not a CoreDou, which is the new
  marketing name.  Intel is dropping the name Pentium.
 
  On 2/1/06, Mark Dodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  How would I know if I have a Core Duo???
  I have a laptop with dual cores or at least dnet says it is. Is 
  there

  some
  kind of logo?
 
 
  Mark Dodge
  MD Computers
  360-772-2433
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian 
  Weeden

  Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 9:30 AM
  To: hwg
  Subject: [H] Serious 

RE: [H] Serious battery life bug found in newIntelProcessorkepthidden by Wintel and press

2006-02-01 Thread Chris Reeves
You know, AMD has to be sitting back laughing their asses off.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Sevart
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:46 AM
To: The Hardware List
Subject: Re: [H] Serious battery life bug found in
newIntelProcessorkepthidden by Wintel and press

Negative. From page 2 of the article you linked:

The Core Duo microprocessor is nothing more than the dual core Yonah we've 
been talking about for quite a while now; and the 945 Express chipset should

sound very familiar as it is a mobile version of the 945 chipset that was 
released on the desktop side last year.
Now the combination of the Core Duo processor, 945 Express chipset and the 
3945ABG wireless solution is what is known as the Napa platform.  In other 
words, the code name for Centrino Duo is Napa.  Its predecessor is Sonoma, 
which is the code name for the Centrino platform that was composed of
Intel's 
Pentium M (based on Dothan), 915 chipset and 2915ABG wireless solution.  We 
will refer to Napa and Sonoma later in this article, so just keep in mind 
that Napa is the current Centrino Duo while Sonoma is the previous 
generation Centrino based on Dothan. 

Core Duo is nothing more than Yonah DC.

Dell was shipping DC Yonah laptops (AKA Core Duo machines) for at least a 
week prior to Apple's announcement. I can personally recall looking at a DC 
1.86 Yonah at Dell the week before Apple's launch.

In short: ANY dual core Intel laptop is Core Duo.

- Original Message - 
From: Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [H] Serious battery life bug found in new 
IntelProcessorkepthidden by Wintel and press


 http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.aspx?i=2663

 How has Dell been shipping Core Duo when it didn't launch until 6 Jan?

 According to Anand, the Pentium M is the Dothan/Yonah core and Core
 Duo is the Sonoma/Napa core.  Unless there is something else I am
 missing.

 Now, they are still using the Centrino name for their new laptops but
 it will be the Core Duo and a new chipset instead of Pentium-M.

 On 2/1/06, Greg Sevart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Any dual core Pentium M chips are technically Core Duo. Dell has been
 shipping Dual Core P-M / Core Duo laptops for a while--even before Apple
 announced.

 All that Core Duo is is the Yonah DC P-M.


 - Original Message -
 From: Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 9:42 AM
 Subject: Re: [H] Serious battery life bug found in new Intel
 Processorkepthidden by Wintel and press


  The CoreDuo is Intel's new mobile CPU line and to the best of my
  knowledge no current products have it.  The first ones will be the new
  Mac Book Pros announced by Jobs.  The other major notebook
  manufactureres will be close behind.
 
  You have a dual core CPU but not a CoreDou, which is the new
  marketing name.  Intel is dropping the name Pentium.
 
  On 2/1/06, Mark Dodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  How would I know if I have a Core Duo???
  I have a laptop with dual cores or at least dnet says it is. Is there
  some
  kind of logo?
 
 
  Mark Dodge
  MD Computers
  360-772-2433
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden
  Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 9:30 AM
  To: hwg
  Subject: [H] Serious battery life bug found in new Intel Processor
  kepthidden by Wintel and press
 
 
http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/01/29/opinion_core_duo_microsoft_power_drain/
 
  If you plug a USB 2.0 device into one of the new Inteo Core Duo 
  laptops,
  it
  reduces the battery life by 80 minutes.
 
  Microsoft and Intel knew about this bug months ago but didn't bother 
  to
  tell
  anyone.  Many tech journalists have evaluated the laptops and none 
  of
  them
  found this bug.
 
  The Core Duo is the chip that all of Apple's new laptops and Intel's
  entire
  new line of laptops is built on.  Intel blames M$ drivers, which is
  interesting.
  --
  Brian
 
 
  --
  Brian
 
 
 
 
  --
  Brian
 
 





 --
 Brian

 




[H] Need some help with Word templates

2006-02-01 Thread Brian Weeden
I am trying to build a few templates for use at work.  I have pretty
much everything done except one part.  I need to have a section where
people can enter a large section of text, specifically a lesson plan
for teaching.

I created the form by building it, putting in fields where people need
to enter data, and then locking the rest of the form.  I saved it as a
template and it works just fine.  However, I can't seem to control the
formatting of the font, line spacing, tabs, and bullets/numbering.

There has to be a way where I can just give people a template to fill
in a few blocks and have all the formatting already setup.  Why else
would we be spending $500 a copy for an Office suite?

--
Brian



Re: [H] who is getting Oblivion?

2006-02-01 Thread Julian Zottl
You just made me buy this game as soon as it comes out.  That's AWESOME.
_
Julian Zottl
CTO, Radiant Network Technology, LLC
Getting ahead in the tech sector isn't about kissing butt ... you gotta sniff 
the right packets



-- Original Message --
From: Jim Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Wed, 01 Feb 2006 06:45:43 -0500

I read where the programing for the NPC was based on schedules and tasks to 
perform with surprising results even to Bethesda. They gave an domesticated 
Oger the task of tilling a field. He had a rake but wanted a hoe. He 
attacked another Oger that had a hoe. But that Oger wanted a rake anyway so 
Oger 2 bashed Oger 1 and took his rake. Might be fun just to watch the AI.





Re: [H] Serious battery life bug found in newIntelProcessorkepthidden by Wintel and press

2006-02-01 Thread Brian Weeden
Probably, but they have had a better CPU offfering for a few years now
and no one outside of us nerds knows about it or cares about it - they
are still way behind in market share and revenues.

And their naming scheme is getting a little funky too.

On 2/1/06, Chris Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You know, AMD has to be sitting back laughing their asses off.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Sevart
 Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:46 AM
 To: The Hardware List
 Subject: Re: [H] Serious battery life bug found in
 newIntelProcessorkepthidden by Wintel and press

 Negative. From page 2 of the article you linked:

 The Core Duo microprocessor is nothing more than the dual core Yonah we've
 been talking about for quite a while now; and the 945 Express chipset should

 sound very familiar as it is a mobile version of the 945 chipset that was
 released on the desktop side last year.
 Now the combination of the Core Duo processor, 945 Express chipset and the
 3945ABG wireless solution is what is known as the Napa platform.  In other
 words, the code name for Centrino Duo is Napa.  Its predecessor is Sonoma,
 which is the code name for the Centrino platform that was composed of
 Intel's
 Pentium M (based on Dothan), 915 chipset and 2915ABG wireless solution.  We
 will refer to Napa and Sonoma later in this article, so just keep in mind
 that Napa is the current Centrino Duo while Sonoma is the previous
 generation Centrino based on Dothan. 

 Core Duo is nothing more than Yonah DC.

 Dell was shipping DC Yonah laptops (AKA Core Duo machines) for at least a
 week prior to Apple's announcement. I can personally recall looking at a DC
 1.86 Yonah at Dell the week before Apple's launch.

 In short: ANY dual core Intel laptop is Core Duo.

 - Original Message -
 From: Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [H] Serious battery life bug found in new
 IntelProcessorkepthidden by Wintel and press


  http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.aspx?i=2663
 
  How has Dell been shipping Core Duo when it didn't launch until 6 Jan?
 
  According to Anand, the Pentium M is the Dothan/Yonah core and Core
  Duo is the Sonoma/Napa core.  Unless there is something else I am
  missing.
 
  Now, they are still using the Centrino name for their new laptops but
  it will be the Core Duo and a new chipset instead of Pentium-M.
 
  On 2/1/06, Greg Sevart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Any dual core Pentium M chips are technically Core Duo. Dell has been
  shipping Dual Core P-M / Core Duo laptops for a while--even before Apple
  announced.
 
  All that Core Duo is is the Yonah DC P-M.
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Brian Weeden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com
  Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 9:42 AM
  Subject: Re: [H] Serious battery life bug found in new Intel
  Processorkepthidden by Wintel and press
 
 
   The CoreDuo is Intel's new mobile CPU line and to the best of my
   knowledge no current products have it.  The first ones will be the new
   Mac Book Pros announced by Jobs.  The other major notebook
   manufactureres will be close behind.
  
   You have a dual core CPU but not a CoreDou, which is the new
   marketing name.  Intel is dropping the name Pentium.
  
   On 2/1/06, Mark Dodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   How would I know if I have a Core Duo???
   I have a laptop with dual cores or at least dnet says it is. Is there
   some
   kind of logo?
  
  
   Mark Dodge
   MD Computers
   360-772-2433
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden
   Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 9:30 AM
   To: hwg
   Subject: [H] Serious battery life bug found in new Intel Processor
   kepthidden by Wintel and press
  
  
 http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/01/29/opinion_core_duo_microsoft_power_drain/
  
   If you plug a USB 2.0 device into one of the new Inteo Core Duo
   laptops,
   it
   reduces the battery life by 80 minutes.
  
   Microsoft and Intel knew about this bug months ago but didn't bother
   to
   tell
   anyone.  Many tech journalists have evaluated the laptops and none
   of
   them
   found this bug.
  
   The Core Duo is the chip that all of Apple's new laptops and Intel's
   entire
   new line of laptops is built on.  Intel blames M$ drivers, which is
   interesting.
   --
   Brian
  
  
   --
   Brian
  
  
  
  
   --
   Brian
  
  
 
 
 
 
 
  --
  Brian
 
 





--
Brian



[H] Bork Bork Bork

2006-02-01 Thread Al



http://www.google.com/intl/xx-bork/

Al


Re: [H] Serious battery life bug found in newIntelProcessorkepthidden by Wintel and press

2006-02-01 Thread Winterlight
Intel has such a huge market share, and engineering resources, that they 
can afford to screw up for a few years. They have been struggling to find 
their way ever since Andy Grove left. They will come back, and when they do 
they can flood the market, drop prices, and put AMD in deep trouble damn 
near over night.


 AMD has had a few good years, but they're not laughing, they are bracing 
themselves for what they know is coming.



And yeah, I can't make heads or tails out of CPU standings anymore. If it 
was fairly easy to make sense out of somebody would of put up a web site 
with side by side listings.



At 11:38 AM 2/1/2006, you wrote:

Probably, but they have had a better CPU offfering for a few years now
and no one outside of us nerds knows about it or cares about it - they
are still way behind in market share and revenues.

And their naming scheme is getting a little funky too.

On 2/1/06, Chris Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You know, AMD has to be sitting back laughing their asses off.




Re: [H] Bork Bork Bork

2006-02-01 Thread Julian Zottl
Some others :)
http://www.google.com/intl/xx-hacker/
http://www.google.com/intl/xx-elmer/
http://www.google.com/intl/kn/
http://www.google.com/intl/xx-piglatin/
http://www.google.com/intl/xx-klingon/

Thanks for posting :)
_
Julian Zottl
CTO, Radiant Network Technology, LLC
Getting ahead in the tech sector isn't about kissing butt ... you gotta sniff 
the right packets



-- Original Message --
From: Al [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Date:  Wed, 01 Feb 2006 14:35:56 -0700




http://www.google.com/intl/xx-bork/

Al




Re: [H] Bork Bork Bork

2006-02-01 Thread Brian Weeden
Thats awesome.

On 2/1/06, Julian Zottl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Some others :)
 http://www.google.com/intl/xx-hacker/
 http://www.google.com/intl/xx-elmer/
 http://www.google.com/intl/kn/
 http://www.google.com/intl/xx-piglatin/
 http://www.google.com/intl/xx-klingon/

 Thanks for posting :)
 _
 Julian Zottl
 CTO, Radiant Network Technology, LLC
 Getting ahead in the tech sector isn't about kissing butt ... you gotta sniff 
 the right packets



 -- Original Message --
 From: Al [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com
 Date:  Wed, 01 Feb 2006 14:35:56 -0700

 
 
 
 http://www.google.com/intl/xx-bork/
 
 Al
 




--
Brian



[H] eudora 7 ?

2006-02-01 Thread FORC5
anyone went here yet ?
fp


-- 
Tallyho ! ]:8)
Taglines below !
--
Never play leap frog with a unicorn.



[H] weird browser problem/help please ?

2006-02-01 Thread FORC5
Friends system, certain web sights ( http://www.awpca.org in particular ) both 
ie and ff drop the brown background and the drop menus are like ghosts.

Created a new user and the bug is not present with the different logon. Tried 
resetiing ie defaults but this is in ff and ie so I am at wits ends ( well 
farther then usual :{))
java console in ff shows things being dropped ( fonts and stuff ) just lost at 
the moment where to go to: lost

:lost
any ideas appreciated.
Fp


-- 
Tallyho ! ]:8)
Taglines below !
--
You tell 'em Manicurist, I've been trimmed.



Re: [H] weird browser problem/help please ?

2006-02-01 Thread Ben Ruset

Reload Java?

Back up their data, log in as administrator, delete their profile, log 
in as them, move their data back, and see if that works...


FORC5 wrote:

Friends system, certain web sights ( http://www.awpca.org in particular ) both 
ie and ff drop the brown background and the drop menus are like ghosts.

Created a new user and the bug is not present with the different logon. Tried 
resetiing ie defaults but this is in ff and ie so I am at wits ends ( well 
farther then usual :{))
java console in ff shows things being dropped ( fonts and stuff ) just lost at 
the moment where to go to: lost

:lost
any ideas appreciated.
Fp




Re: [H] eudora 7 ?

2006-02-01 Thread Winterlight


I tried it in a VM. I didn't notice anything new, although I only had it up 
and running for a day or two. What I did notice is that you can't move the 
folder anymore from one PC to another without going through the input 
number registration.  That killed it for me.



At 04:07 PM 2/1/2006, you wrote:

anyone went here yet ?
fp


--
Tallyho ! ]:8)
Taglines below !
--
Never play leap frog with a unicorn.




Re: [H] eudora 7 ?

2006-02-01 Thread FORC5
they maybe moved the ini file or put the info in the registry, either way 
doesn't bother me.
thanks

At 06:41 PM 2/1/2006, Winterlight Poked the stick with:

I tried it in a VM. I didn't notice anything new, although I only had it up 
and running for a day or two. What I did notice is that you can't move the 
folder anymore from one PC to another without going through the input number 
registration.  That killed it for me.


At 04:07 PM 2/1/2006, you wrote:
anyone went here yet ?
fp


--
Tallyho ! ]:8)
Taglines below !
--
Never play leap frog with a unicorn.

-- 
Tallyho ! ]:8)
Taglines below !
--
There are two reasons for doing: one good, the other real



[H] Oblivion : System Requirements

2006-02-01 Thread Jin-Wei Tioh

Hello all,

Thought you folks might be interested (in case you haven't already seen this) :

http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=228204

The lack of SM3.0 on my X800GTO might come to bite me in the rear...

--
JW



Re: [H] weird browser problem/help please ?

2006-02-01 Thread FORC5
reloaded java and the new user would work, created a user for the grand 
daughter ( source of the bug I'm sure ) and the bug was gone.
Thanks

At 06:36 PM 2/1/2006, Ben Ruset Poked the stick with:
Reload Java?

Back up their data, log in as administrator, delete their profile, log in as 
them, move their data back, and see if that works...

FORC5 wrote:
Friends system, certain web sights ( http://www.awpca.org in particular ) 
both ie and ff drop the brown background and the drop menus are like ghosts.
Created a new user and the bug is not present with the different logon. Tried 
resetiing ie defaults but this is in ff and ie so I am at wits ends ( well 
farther then usual :{))
java console in ff shows things being dropped ( fonts and stuff ) just lost 
at the moment where to go to: lost
:lost
any ideas appreciated.
Fp

-- 
Tallyho ! ]:8)
Taglines below !
--
Smile you may meet a person who will play with your life.



[H] Cell phones

2006-02-01 Thread Brian Weeden
I am in the market for a new phone and possibly a new service.  I
currently have Verizon but I will be moving to Canada within the next
2 years and will be doing a few trips around the world between now and
then.

Verizon's phones (at least all the ones I have seen to date) are CDMA
which means they only work in America.  Here's what I want:

- good camera
- ability to use it around the world
- able to connect to my computer to transfer files and copy contacts
- bluetooth

Any chance I can find such a phone?  Or am I better off sticking with
something that works in America and just buying a cheap GSM phone and
use pre-paid SIMs overseas?

--
Brian



Re: [H] Cell phones

2006-02-01 Thread Winterlight
I have a friend who goes back and forth to Greece. He got a Motorola Razor 
and setup a T-Mobile account in California. He told T-Mobile he wanted to 
be able to use it in Greece, so they unlocked it . When he was in Greece he 
just got another European account with SIMM card, and he was connected for 
Europe.


At 08:39 PM 2/1/2006, you wrote:

I am in the market for a new phone and possibly a new service.  I
currently have Verizon but I will be moving to Canada within the next
2 years and will be doing a few trips around the world between now and
then.

Verizon's phones (at least all the ones I have seen to date) are CDMA
which means they only work in America.  Here's what I want:

- good camera
- ability to use it around the world
- able to connect to my computer to transfer files and copy contacts
- bluetooth

Any chance I can find such a phone?  Or am I better off sticking with
something that works in America and just buying a cheap GSM phone and
use pre-paid SIMs overseas?

--
Brian




Re: [H] Cell phones

2006-02-01 Thread warpmedia
Verizon does work in canada but only if you have the international 
account. Otherwise you roam  pay an assload of roaming charges.


I've been teetering on the switching to Cingular idea since I can get a 
GSM Razor for $0 after rebate via Amazon.com + 2 year contract. Verizon 
just got their 1st CDMA Razor (all other Verizon phones suck!) but want 
$200 + 2 year contact.


Razor is as far as I am willing to look since I hate all brands 
(including the samsung Razor copy-cat) other than Motorola, so YMMV!


No matter what you do I think you will have to have an international 
account or need a SIM based phone to travel w/o roaming.



Brian Weeden wrote:

I am in the market for a new phone and possibly a new service.  I
currently have Verizon but I will be moving to Canada within the next
2 years and will be doing a few trips around the world between now and
then.

Verizon's phones (at least all the ones I have seen to date) are CDMA
which means they only work in America.  Here's what I want:

- good camera
- ability to use it around the world
- able to connect to my computer to transfer files and copy contacts
- bluetooth

Any chance I can find such a phone?  Or am I better off sticking with
something that works in America and just buying a cheap GSM phone and
use pre-paid SIMs overseas?

--
Brian




Re: [H] eudora 7 ?

2006-02-01 Thread Wayne Johnson

At 08:46 PM 2/1/2006, FORC5 typed:
they maybe moved the ini file or put the info in the registry, 
either way doesn't bother me.


One thing they added the cute little icons substitution thing for 
emoticons such as ;-).  If you have Eudora 7 that will have turned 
into a happy face winky automagically.



--+--
   Wayne D. Johnson
Ashland, OH, USA 44805
http://www.wavijo.com 



Re: [H] Cell phones

2006-02-01 Thread Greg Sevart



Razor is as far as I am willing to look since I hate all brands
(including the samsung Razor copy-cat) other than Motorola, so YMMV!

No matter what you do I think you will have to have an international 
account or need a SIM based phone to travel w/o roaming.




Man, I just don't get it. I think the RAZR is quite possibly the cell phone 
equivalent of the Pontiac Aztek. To each his own, I guess. :)


((loves his Moto E815 on VZW)

Greg




[H] DRM and the Death of a Culture...

2006-02-01 Thread Stan Zaske
Simon Phipp's Blog on  technology-enforced restrictions happening to us 
right now. One of my favorite parts:


But whatever the answer, we need it soon, because we're rushing 
headlong into a world that will be doomed to forget its culture and 
history - if it doesn't keep paying the protection money 
http://poetryloverspage.com/poets/kipling/dane_geld.html. As a card on 
my wall reminds me, the biggest enemy of freedom is a happy slave.


Enjoy and write your congressman or woman if you are *not* a happy slave.

http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/webmink?entry=drm_and_the_death_of