Re: [H] Upgrade Time
It's not an issue of a one vendor market. When AMD comes up with something good enough you can be sure the market will swing yet again to AMD's camp. What makes me laugh are all the complete power gamer PC's in EGM that only come in AMD flavors during a Intel market. Well, that and the price of said PC's being $1000 loaded with features which is flat out impossible to do still have a power gamer PC. Stan Zaske wrote: I agree that we are in the era of good enough computing and it doesn't matter how superior Core i7 is because the bottle necks are in other parts of the system and that means primarily the hard drive. I'm worried about a market with only one CPU manufacturer and what it would mean about mainstream afford ability. I have not given in to the temptation of Intel and my Athlon 5400+ BE is fast enough even without over clocking. Deneb isn't here until February or March but I too look forward to it. Greg Sevart wrote: Oh, I completely agree--I wouldn't buy an AMD right now either. But my loyalty is thin. AMD's 45nm Deneb generation chips look to be capable of clocking fairly high. I at least allow for the possibility that tomorrow may be different--though I expect Core i7 to eat its lunch. I'm taking a wait-and-see approach before deciding on the replacement for my superb 3.6GHz Q6600. I think that some could make the argument that we are now largely in an era of good enough computing, too.
[H] Trojan??
This am when I started up a message came on the screen from AVG. AVG finds you have a trojan. Do you want to remove it forcefully? I clicked yes and the message reappeared. I could not get rid of it. I restarted the computer and the message was gone. Now when I start Firefox I get a message it is taking to long no matter what URL I try to get. Is that the trojan working? What should I do now? -- Sam Franc On the Oregon Coast I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be.-Einstein
Re: [H] Trojan??
Wait - it found a Trojan in the Zone Alarm setup files? That to me sounds like a false positive - mostly likely those files contain a heuristic pattern to help ZA discover Trojans and AVG is picking that up as an actual Trojan. That's been known to happen. But hey, it could also be some really clever Trojan writer who decided to hide their malware among known false positives. Try running Windows Defender and see what that gives you. Also, you might want to boot from one of the various Linux Live CDs and run a scan of your system as well. If you have a root kit infection that might be the only way to detect it. -- Brian On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Sam Franc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian, I have been running an AVG scan and it has found several places for the Trojan Horse Agent_r.CX in Zone Alarm setup files on my desktop. Zls setup_70_484_000 70_337_000 70_483_000 70_462_000 If I put those files in recycle bin and empty it will that get rid of them? Sam Brian Weeden wrote: Could be a few different things going on. Might have been a false positive and you might have killed something necessary for your internet connection to work. But it might have also been a real trojan. Sometimes they insert themselves pretty deeply in system processes and removing them breaks the links that allows things like the network stack to work. Try rebooting, see if that helps. Also try safe mode. But don't get your hopes up. --- Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundtion.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Sam Franc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This am when I started up a message came on the screen from AVG. AVG finds you have a trojan. Do you want to remove it forcefully? I clicked yes and the message reappeared. I could not get rid of it. I restarted the computer and the message was gone. Now when I start Firefox I get a message it is taking to long no matter what URL I try to get. Is that the trojan working? What should I do now? -- Sam Franc On the Oregon Coast I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be.-Einstein No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1723 - Release Date: 10/13/2008 6:42 PM -- Sam Franc On the Oregon Coast I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be.-Einstein
Re: [H] Trojan??
That very well may be the Trojan redirecting all your DNS requests to its own dns server but the server might not be up or it might be redirecting you to an IP of its own and that IP could be down. Trojans messing with DNS are especially dangerous because even if you type www.wellsfargo.com you could be going to a phishing site. Here is a recent blog we wrote about a scam that happened to a friend of one of our researchers http://securitylabs.websense.com/content/Blogs/3184.aspx Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Franc Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:04 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Trojan?? This am when I started up a message came on the screen from AVG. AVG finds you have a trojan. Do you want to remove it forcefully? I clicked yes and the message reappeared. I could not get rid of it. I restarted the computer and the message was gone. Now when I start Firefox I get a message it is taking to long no matter what URL I try to get. Is that the trojan working? What should I do now? -- Sam Franc On the Oregon Coast I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be.-Einstein Protected by Websense Hosted Email Security -- www.websense.com
Re: [H] Trojan??
Try scanning those online at www.virustotal.com . Scanning against all those AV's gives what I call decent detection. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Franc Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:13 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Trojan?? Brian, I have been running an AVG scan and it has found several places for the Trojan Horse Agent_r.CX in Zone Alarm setup files on my desktop. Zls setup_70_484_000 70_337_000 70_483_000 70_462_000 If I put those files in recycle bin and empty it will that get rid of them? Sam Brian Weeden wrote: Could be a few different things going on. Might have been a false positive and you might have killed something necessary for your internet connection to work. But it might have also been a real trojan. Sometimes they insert themselves pretty deeply in system processes and removing them breaks the links that allows things like the network stack to work. Try rebooting, see if that helps. Also try safe mode. But don't get your hopes up. --- Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundtion.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Sam Franc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This am when I started up a message came on the screen from AVG. AVG finds you have a trojan. Do you want to remove it forcefully? I clicked yes and the message reappeared. I could not get rid of it. I restarted the computer and the message was gone. Now when I start Firefox I get a message it is taking to long no matter what URL I try to get. Is that the trojan working? What should I do now? -- Sam Franc On the Oregon Coast I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be.-Einstein No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1723 - Release Date: 10/13/2008 6:42 PM -- Sam Franc On the Oregon Coast I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be.-Einstein Protected by Websense Hosted Email Security -- www.websense.com
Re: [H] Upgrade Time
I agree that we are in the era of good enough computing and it doesn't matter how superior Core i7 is because the bottle necks are in other parts of the system and that means primarily the hard drive. I'm Eh, that's a pretty tired argument. While it's true that disk performance has not kept pace, it isn't true to say that increases in processor performance are pointless. There are a lot of workloads that do benefit from pure CPU performance and place little emphasis on i/o--like H.264 encoding, which is the main reason I run a quad, and the main reason I'm interested in i7. worried about a market with only one CPU manufacturer and what it would mean about mainstream afford ability. I have not given in to the temptation of Intel and my Athlon 5400+ BE is fast enough even without over clocking. Deneb isn't here until February or March but I too look forward to it. And that's what it is all about. Find a product that fits your needs. The BE 5400+ may fit your needs perfectly; it doesn't fit mine. AMD doesn't offer anything right now that is a good fit for me. Insofar as the one-vendor concern, I think that with the spinoff of AMD's fabrication plants, AMD's solvency has increased such that the risk of them failing has largely evaporated. There is a tremendous debt load associated with building, running, and maintaining fabs that they've been able to shed. I do wonder, however, if moving chip manufacturing out of house will ultimately diminish AMD's ability to execute effectively. That's assuming that they're able to retain their x86 license, of course. :) Greg
[H] Reading Vista minidumps
I'm struggling here. I'm trying to diagnose some Vista BSODs and I have it set to create minidumps when it crashes. I installed the Windbg debugger tool and the Longhorn symbol library. My problem is I can't get the symbol path set in the debugger. The symbols were installed to C:\windows\symbols so I opened Windbg and went to File - Set Symbol Source and put that in. But when I load the minidump the window is an big error message about symbols not being loaded? Tried this knowledge article: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315263 and like most of this microsoft crap I'm having trouble figuring it out. Partly because it talks about needing a Windows executable image file for XP but I'm pretty sure that's wrong since I'm using Vista. What I am missing? Does it have something to do with the symbols being in a bunch of subdirectories under c:\windows\symbols like \ACM, \AX, \COM and I'm not passing the path correctly? --- Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundtion.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US
Re: [H] Trojan??
Could be a few different things going on. Might have been a false positive and you might have killed something necessary for your internet connection to work. But it might have also been a real trojan. Sometimes they insert themselves pretty deeply in system processes and removing them breaks the links that allows things like the network stack to work. Try rebooting, see if that helps. Also try safe mode. But don't get your hopes up. --- Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundtion.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Sam Franc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This am when I started up a message came on the screen from AVG. AVG finds you have a trojan. Do you want to remove it forcefully? I clicked yes and the message reappeared. I could not get rid of it. I restarted the computer and the message was gone. Now when I start Firefox I get a message it is taking to long no matter what URL I try to get. Is that the trojan working? What should I do now? -- Sam Franc On the Oregon Coast I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be.-Einstein
Re: [H] Trojan??
Brian, I have been running an AVG scan and it has found several places for the Trojan Horse Agent_r.CX in Zone Alarm setup files on my desktop. Zls setup_70_484_000 70_337_000 70_483_000 70_462_000 If I put those files in recycle bin and empty it will that get rid of them? Sam Brian Weeden wrote: Could be a few different things going on. Might have been a false positive and you might have killed something necessary for your internet connection to work. But it might have also been a real trojan. Sometimes they insert themselves pretty deeply in system processes and removing them breaks the links that allows things like the network stack to work. Try rebooting, see if that helps. Also try safe mode. But don't get your hopes up. --- Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundtion.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Sam Franc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This am when I started up a message came on the screen from AVG. AVG finds you have a trojan. Do you want to remove it forcefully? I clicked yes and the message reappeared. I could not get rid of it. I restarted the computer and the message was gone. Now when I start Firefox I get a message it is taking to long no matter what URL I try to get. Is that the trojan working? What should I do now? -- Sam Franc On the Oregon Coast I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be.-Einstein No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1723 - Release Date: 10/13/2008 6:42 PM -- Sam Franc On the Oregon Coast I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be.-Einstein
Re: [H] Trojan??
I started sending my file to your site about a hour ago and it still has not been sent completely. It says do not stop until it is complete. How long does it take? Sam Mesdaq, Ali wrote: Try scanning those online at www.virustotal.com . Scanning against all those AV's gives what I call decent detection. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Franc Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:13 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Trojan?? Brian, I have been running an AVG scan and it has found several places for the Trojan Horse Agent_r.CX in Zone Alarm setup files on my desktop. Zls setup_70_484_000 70_337_000 70_483_000 70_462_000 If I put those files in recycle bin and empty it will that get rid of them? Sam Brian Weeden wrote: Could be a few different things going on. Might have been a false positive and you might have killed something necessary for your internet connection to work. But it might have also been a real trojan. Sometimes they insert themselves pretty deeply in system processes and removing them breaks the links that allows things like the network stack to work. Try rebooting, see if that helps. Also try safe mode. But don't get your hopes up. --- Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundtion.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Sam Franc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This am when I started up a message came on the screen from AVG. AVG finds you have a trojan. Do you want to remove it forcefully? I clicked yes and the message reappeared. I could not get rid of it. I restarted the computer and the message was gone. Now when I start Firefox I get a message it is taking to long no matter what URL I try to get. Is that the trojan working? What should I do now? -- Sam Franc On the Oregon Coast I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be.-Einstein No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1723 - Release Date: 10/13/2008 6:42 PM -- Sam Franc On the Oregon Coast I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be.-Einstein Protected by Websense Hosted Email Security -- www.websense.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1723 - Release Date: 10/13/2008 6:42 PM -- Sam Franc On the Oregon Coast I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be.-Einstein
Re: [H] Trojan??
Brian, AVG cleared all the files except 3. I get a message that Bigger than archive size limit for those 3. How does one change the archive file limit? Sam Brian Weeden wrote: Wait - it found a Trojan in the Zone Alarm setup files? That to me sounds like a false positive - mostly likely those files contain a heuristic pattern to help ZA discover Trojans and AVG is picking that up as an actual Trojan. That's been known to happen. But hey, it could also be some really clever Trojan writer who decided to hide their malware among known false positives. Try running Windows Defender and see what that gives you. Also, you might want to boot from one of the various Linux Live CDs and run a scan of your system as well. If you have a root kit infection that might be the only way to detect it. -- Brian On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Sam Franc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian, I have been running an AVG scan and it has found several places for the Trojan Horse Agent_r.CX in Zone Alarm setup files on my desktop. Zls setup_70_484_000 70_337_000 70_483_000 70_462_000 If I put those files in recycle bin and empty it will that get rid of them? Sam Brian Weeden wrote: Could be a few different things going on. Might have been a false positive and you might have killed something necessary for your internet connection to work. But it might have also been a real trojan. Sometimes they insert themselves pretty deeply in system processes and removing them breaks the links that allows things like the network stack to work. Try rebooting, see if that helps. Also try safe mode. But don't get your hopes up. --- Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundtion.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Sam Franc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This am when I started up a message came on the screen from AVG. AVG finds you have a trojan. Do you want to remove it forcefully? I clicked yes and the message reappeared. I could not get rid of it. I restarted the computer and the message was gone. Now when I start Firefox I get a message it is taking to long no matter what URL I try to get. Is that the trojan working? What should I do now? -- Sam Franc On the Oregon Coast I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be.-Einstein No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1723 - Release Date: 10/13/2008 6:42 PM -- Sam Franc On the Oregon Coast I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be.-Einstein No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1723 - Release Date: 10/13/2008 6:42 PM -- Sam Franc On the Oregon Coast I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be.-Einstein
Re: [H] Nifty OS X trick
Here is 56 useful Mac shortcuts. The one you mentioned is listed here... http://www.mactricksandtips.com/2008/10/mac-101-56-useful-mac-shortcuts.html If you are using OS X, try this out. Command - Shift - 3 (number 3 on keyboard) Then look at your desktop. Pretty sweet!!! -- Best Regards, Zulfiqar Naushad
Re: [H] Trojan??
Hmm that’s odd. How big is the file? Can you zip up the files and upload them somewhere for me to get? I can run it through our systems and tell you what I find out about the files. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Franc Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 5:40 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Trojan?? I started sending my file to your site about a hour ago and it still has not been sent completely. It says do not stop until it is complete. How long does it take? Sam Mesdaq, Ali wrote: Try scanning those online at www.virustotal.com . Scanning against all those AV's gives what I call decent detection. Thanks, -- Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM) Sr. Security Researcher Websense Security Labs http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com -- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Franc Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:13 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Trojan?? Brian, I have been running an AVG scan and it has found several places for the Trojan Horse Agent_r.CX in Zone Alarm setup files on my desktop. Zls setup_70_484_000 70_337_000 70_483_000 70_462_000 If I put those files in recycle bin and empty it will that get rid of them? Sam Brian Weeden wrote: Could be a few different things going on. Might have been a false positive and you might have killed something necessary for your internet connection to work. But it might have also been a real trojan. Sometimes they insert themselves pretty deeply in system processes and removing them breaks the links that allows things like the network stack to work. Try rebooting, see if that helps. Also try safe mode. But don't get your hopes up. --- Brian Weeden Technical Consultant Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundtion.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Sam Franc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This am when I started up a message came on the screen from AVG. AVG finds you have a trojan. Do you want to remove it forcefully? I clicked yes and the message reappeared. I could not get rid of it. I restarted the computer and the message was gone. Now when I start Firefox I get a message it is taking to long no matter what URL I try to get. Is that the trojan working? What should I do now? -- Sam Franc On the Oregon Coast I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be.-Einstein No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1723 - Release Date: 10/13/2008 6:42 PM -- Sam Franc On the Oregon Coast I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be.-Einstein Protected by Websense Hosted Email Security -- www.websense.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1723 - Release Date: 10/13/2008 6:42 PM -- Sam Franc On the Oregon Coast I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be.-Einstein
Re: [H] Upgrade Time
Of course this is all very preliminary and we won't get the real goods until the NDA expires next month but check this out. http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ensl=zh-CNtl=enu=http://diy.pconline.com.cn/cpu/reviews/0810/1438115.html Greg Sevart wrote: I agree that we are in the era of good enough computing and it doesn't matter how superior Core i7 is because the bottle necks are in other parts of the system and that means primarily the hard drive. I'm Eh, that's a pretty tired argument. While it's true that disk performance has not kept pace, it isn't true to say that increases in processor performance are pointless. There are a lot of workloads that do benefit from pure CPU performance and place little emphasis on i/o--like H.264 encoding, which is the main reason I run a quad, and the main reason I'm interested in i7. worried about a market with only one CPU manufacturer and what it would mean about mainstream afford ability. I have not given in to the temptation of Intel and my Athlon 5400+ BE is fast enough even without over clocking. Deneb isn't here until February or March but I too look forward to it. And that's what it is all about. Find a product that fits your needs. The BE 5400+ may fit your needs perfectly; it doesn't fit mine. AMD doesn't offer anything right now that is a good fit for me. Insofar as the one-vendor concern, I think that with the spinoff of AMD's fabrication plants, AMD's solvency has increased such that the risk of them failing has largely evaporated. There is a tremendous debt load associated with building, running, and maintaining fabs that they've been able to shed. I do wonder, however, if moving chip manufacturing out of house will ultimately diminish AMD's ability to execute effectively. That's assuming that they're able to retain their x86 license, of course. :) Greg
Re: [H] Upgrade Time
You lost me at it not being an issue of a one vendor market. If AMD goes bankrupt it will be a one vendor market. maccrawj wrote: It's not an issue of a one vendor market. When AMD comes up with something good enough you can be sure the market will swing yet again to AMD's camp. What makes me laugh are all the complete power gamer PC's in EGM that only come in AMD flavors during a Intel market. Well, that and the price of said PC's being $1000 loaded with features which is flat out impossible to do still have a power gamer PC. Stan Zaske wrote: I agree that we are in the era of good enough computing and it doesn't matter how superior Core i7 is because the bottle necks are in other parts of the system and that means primarily the hard drive. I'm worried about a market with only one CPU manufacturer and what it would mean about mainstream afford ability. I have not given in to the temptation of Intel and my Athlon 5400+ BE is fast enough even without over clocking. Deneb isn't here until February or March but I too look forward to it. Greg Sevart wrote: Oh, I completely agree--I wouldn't buy an AMD right now either. But my loyalty is thin. AMD's 45nm Deneb generation chips look to be capable of clocking fairly high. I at least allow for the possibility that tomorrow may be different--though I expect Core i7 to eat its lunch. I'm taking a wait-and-see approach before deciding on the replacement for my superb 3.6GHz Q6600. I think that some could make the argument that we are now largely in an era of good enough computing, too.
