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When I looked a few months ago every set under 39 or 37in was 720p/1080i and/or had a native resolution less than 1920x1080. If that's not the case then I'd assume time marches on they are making them now where they had not been doing so. To answer the question, since a 720P effectively is 1080i I'd imagine 1080P content gets downscaled to fit the screen. Naushad, Zulfiqar wrote: Where did you hear that all TV's below 37 inches are only 720? Check this out. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENEN=2102640411+1 38902005+138982080QksAutoSuggestion=ShowDeactivatedMark=FalseConfigur ator=Subcategory=411description=Ntk=CFG=SpeTabStoreType=srchInDesc = 32 inches and 1080p. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Steve Tomporowski Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 4:19 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] advise Since we're on this subjectAll TV's below 37 are 720. What does one of those TV's do when fed with a 1080 signal? Or does it just not display? I've wondered about that since I would think that with the mixtures of 1080/720 stations, they'd want everything to display everythingor am I mistake because that makes sense? Steve
Re: [H] stop sending mail to me with request
He has been removed. Sorry for the delay folks, was on the left cost for a bit At 9/24/2009 07:43 AM, Rick Glazier wrote: List-Unsubscribe: http://lists.hardwaregroup.com/options.cgi/hardware-hardwaregroup.com, mailto:hardware-requ...@hardwaregroup.com?subject=unsubscribe That is in all message headers that this list sends. Click the second line and all your problems will be solved. (Make that our problems instead, grin) - Original Message - From: Boby Megharaj bobyquest...@yahoo.in To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:01 PM Subject: [H] stop sending mail to me with request i do not want mail by you, so plez do not send me. Yahoo! India has a new look. Take a sneak peek http://in.yahoo.com/trynew No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.112/2392 - Release Date: 09/24/09 05:52:00
Re: [H] stop sending mail to me with request
Hopefully it didn't cost you too much. --Original Message-- From: Jim Edwards Sender: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com ReplyTo: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] stop sending mail to me with request Sent: Sep 28, 2009 3:21 PM He has been removed. Sorry for the delay folks, was on the left cost for a bit At 9/24/2009 07:43 AM, Rick Glazier wrote: List-Unsubscribe: http://lists.hardwaregroup.com/options.cgi/hardware-hardwaregroup.com, mailto:hardware-requ...@hardwaregroup.com?subject=unsubscribe That is in all message headers that this list sends. Click the second line and all your problems will be solved. (Make that our problems instead, grin) - Original Message - From: Boby Megharaj bobyquest...@yahoo.in To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:01 PM Subject: [H] stop sending mail to me with request i do not want mail by you, so plez do not send me. Yahoo! India has a new look. Take a sneak peek http://in.yahoo.com/trynew No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.112/2392 - Release Date: 09/24/09 05:52:00
Re: [H] stop sending mail to me with request
On Mon, 28 Sep 2009, Zulfiqar Naushad wrote: Hopefully it didn't cost you too much. Only his soul. Which admittedly wasn't worth much in the... lets just say non-mint condition it is in. Christopher Fisk -- Brian Griffin: I'm just a dog, Lois. A stupid dog. [to the bartender] Brian Griffin: Vodka stinger with a whiskey back and step on it. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Re: [H] advise
Yeah Pioneer got out of the making plasma business. I know a bit about this b/c I researched extensively (and dithered for a while too) when my 26 Sony XBR WEGA CRT died earlier this year in Feb; was the best picture you could get, but it was just too small and I wanted something bigger. The Pioneer is still the best picture you're going to get, even compared to new LCDs b/c the blacks are the blackest and all that. That's b/c the filter or comb or whatever you call it on the Kuros (Kuro is the plasma line; the Elites are the best of the Kuros) are HANDMADE; yes, no joke-it's also why they were so expensive, and couldn't scale, especially with the economic downturn. So I was very tempted to pick one up; Best Buy had sales on them and was considering a display model two, but the 2 problems with that: 1) Since they're no longer making them, if something happens, what would I get as a replacement? Basically no guarantees on warranty or anything 2) The 60 (I wanted at least that size) was ~$5-6k, even if I got a floor model which has been on for a while, etc Since I got a 60 LED DLP that looks great for $950 (and just has a little hotspotting; otherwise the picture is AWESOME with HD cable (though you can tell which channels are skimping on the bandwidth, and which aren't-I will say SyFy and USA are doing a *very* good job there) and for what I paid I wouldn't feel bad in getting a new set in 2 or more years if I wanted to-though I don't hope to need to. And by then, things will have changed enough there'll be better tech out there that obviates all this stuff. And yeah, if you look at the industry, LCD has always been an inferior picture; it's gotten better, but objectives test show it's still not as good as a good plasma (read: Pioneer Kuro Elite, or the best Panasonics, which aren't bad either), but it was all a function of thinness and marketing; the buying public is not the techie or detail-oriented and if you can fool them, you drive the market to kill all the non-thin sets, and plasma was still too expensive in comparison and also uses a lot more power. I mean, an LCD tv is just a big computer monitor right? There's stuff native to the technology that don't make it good for viewing tv/movies and all that motion, hence all the 120Hz, 240Hz BS they have to do to compensate for that (I was talking to an ISF certified tech while at Best Buy who was filling me in on some of this stuff). I mean, some of the new tvs with the 240Hz super-reality stuff just looks WRONG-have you guys seen what I'm talking about?! It's crazy; it takes movies and makes them look like video and it just looks WRONG! Anyway, just some random thoughts not organized very well since I spent quite a lot of time earlier this year researching and deciding what to do...HTH! BINO -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Zulfiqar Naushad Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 10:53 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] advise Kuro tv's have/had the best contrast ratio and blacks were really black. And yes. I think that they are no longer producing plasmas any more. -Original Message- From: maccrawj maccr...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 22:48:23 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] advise I thought Pioneer was out of the plasma business last year thus not making Kuro sets anymore? Yes, they WERE the best, pricey, and worth it but no longer made AFAIK. Winterlight wrote: At 07:00 PM 9/26/2009, you wrote: Everything over 39 or so is 1080p, plasma is dead, you want 120hz or better refresh I wouldn't say that. The best HD display available is still the Pioneer Elites, all be it they are very expensive. Plasma still has the best color, and black levels and I think you would be hard pressed to find an expert who doesn't think so. For high end 60 inch and above I still think they have a place. They just need to get the power requirement down. and the price. this is a interesting article from last June http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2349236,00.asp June 24, 2009 -By Dr. Raymond Soneira, President DisplayMate Technologies Corp. LCD-Plasma Display Technology Shoot-Out If you were shopping for a large-screen HDTV just a few years ago you would have seen mostly Rear Projection HDTVs, based primarily on DLP, LCD and LCoS technologies, plus a fair number of pricey direct-view Plasmas, and maybe a few very expensive direct-view LCDs. It's amazing how the TV industry has abruptly toggled into an entirely different lineup. Now you'll see mostly direct-view LCDs together with a small number of Plasmas. If you look in some back corner you may find a few attractively priced Rear Projection DLP HDTVs. CRT and LCoS technologies are now dead for HDTVs, and Rear Projection is a dead man walking. Scientifically,
Re: [H] advise
I spent weeks reading through thousands of posts at the AV forum, http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/ and ended up with a great Samsung 50 Plasma... :) -- JRS stei...@pacbell.net Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored. - Original Message From: Bino Gopal binogo...@hotmail.com To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:49:51 AM Subject: Re: [H] advise Yeah Pioneer got out of the making plasma business. I know a bit about this b/c I researched extensively (and dithered for a while too) when my 26 Sony XBR WEGA CRT died earlier this year in Feb; was the best picture you could get, but it was just too small and I wanted something bigger. The Pioneer is still the best picture you're going to get, even compared to new LCDs b/c the blacks are the blackest and all that. That's b/c the filter or comb or whatever you call it on the Kuros (Kuro is the plasma line; the Elites are the best of the Kuros) are HANDMADE; yes, no joke-it's also why they were so expensive, and couldn't scale, especially with the economic downturn. So I was very tempted to pick one up; Best Buy had sales on them and was considering a display model two, but the 2 problems with that: 1) Since they're no longer making them, if something happens, what would I get as a replacement? Basically no guarantees on warranty or anything 2) The 60 (I wanted at least that size) was ~$5-6k, even if I got a floor model which has been on for a while, etc Since I got a 60 LED DLP that looks great for $950 (and just has a little hotspotting; otherwise the picture is AWESOME with HD cable (though you can tell which channels are skimping on the bandwidth, and which aren't-I will say SyFy and USA are doing a *very* good job there) and for what I paid I wouldn't feel bad in getting a new set in 2 or more years if I wanted to-though I don't hope to need to. And by then, things will have changed enough there'll be better tech out there that obviates all this stuff. And yeah, if you look at the industry, LCD has always been an inferior picture; it's gotten better, but objectives test show it's still not as good as a good plasma (read: Pioneer Kuro Elite, or the best Panasonics, which aren't bad either), but it was all a function of thinness and marketing; the buying public is not the techie or detail-oriented and if you can fool them, you drive the market to kill all the non-thin sets, and plasma was still too expensive in comparison and also uses a lot more power. I mean, an LCD tv is just a big computer monitor right? There's stuff native to the technology that don't make it good for viewing tv/movies and all that motion, hence all the 120Hz, 240Hz BS they have to do to compensate for that (I was talking to an ISF certified tech while at Best Buy who was filling me in on some of this stuff). I mean, some of the new tvs with the 240Hz super-reality stuff just looks WRONG-have you guys seen what I'm talking about?! It's crazy; it takes movies and makes them look like video and it just looks WRONG! Anyway, just some random thoughts not organized very well since I spent quite a lot of time earlier this year researching and deciding what to do...HTH! BINO
[H] I5 I7 ??
My 2nd PCs motherboard has apparently died so I am looking at a upgrade, motherboard, ram and CPU. The I5 is the cheapest at 200 but there is a 800 series I7 for 80 bucks more... why wouldn't I want to go with the I7 It is getting so you need to take a class to figure out Intel /AMD CPU lines.
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line; the Elites are the best of the Kuros) are HANDMADE; yes, no joke-it's also why they were so expensive, and couldn't scale, especially with the economic downturn. I too have been watching and dithering and I agree with what you wrote. It is down from 6500. You can get the Pro 151 Elite Kuro 60 inch now for around 4400 delivered to the curb but it is still a hell of a lot of money for a TV, especially since I almost never watch a movie and follow only one series. But if gets down below 3500 I will probably make the buy.
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Heh, even knowing they're going out of the biz and what happens if there's a problem and you need parts or a replacement? Especially when you've spent that much $$? I've heard that the Panasonic plasmas are almost as good, less $$, and have pretty good warranties, fwiw... -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:19 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] advise line; the Elites are the best of the Kuros) are HANDMADE; yes, no joke-it's also why they were so expensive, and couldn't scale, especially with the economic downturn. I too have been watching and dithering and I agree with what you wrote. It is down from 6500. You can get the Pro 151 Elite Kuro 60 inch now for around 4400 delivered to the curb but it is still a hell of a lot of money for a TV, especially since I almost never watch a movie and follow only one series. But if gets down below 3500 I will probably make the buy.
Re: [H] I5 I7 ??
Actually if you look at performance per watt ratings the i5 does better. I just bought an i7 so I could see 8 threads in task manager. --Original Message-- From: Winterlight Sender: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com ReplyTo: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] I5 I7 ?? Sent: Sep 28, 2009 11:35 PM My 2nd PCs motherboard has apparently died so I am looking at a upgrade, motherboard, ram and CPU. The I5 is the cheapest at 200 but there is a 800 series I7 for 80 bucks more... why wouldn't I want to go with the I7 It is getting so you need to take a class to figure out Intel /AMD CPU lines.
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At 01:48 PM 9/28/2009, you wrote: Heh, even knowing they're going out of the biz and what happens if there's a problem and you need parts or a replacement? Especially when you've spent that much $$? I've heard that the Panasonic plasmas are almost as good, less $$, and have pretty good warranties, fwiw... Pioneer comes with a three year in house warranty. It is a quality product and I haven't heard about anybody having any problems. However, Pioneer is a serious company and they will find a way to support it in order to preserve their great reputation. They still have a high end line of products and they do not want to loose those Elite buyers or make them feel abandoned. I have looked at Panasonic side by side and they are just not the same. Besides the Panasonic 60 inch are in the 3500 range anyway. But that said you make some very good points. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:19 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] advise line; the Elites are the best of the Kuros) are HANDMADE; yes, no joke-it's also why they were so expensive, and couldn't scale, especially with the economic downturn. I too have been watching and dithering and I agree with what you wrote. It is down from 6500. You can get the Pro 151 Elite Kuro 60 inch now for around 4400 delivered to the curb but it is still a hell of a lot of money for a TV, especially since I almost never watch a movie and follow only one series. But if gets down below 3500 I will probably make the buy.
[H] Thunderbird Settings Mail
Okay, now I am coming live from Windows 7No complaints so far...except with M-Audio. It seems that they wrote their 64bit driver to only detect Vista64, so it refused to install. To my chagrin, the Realtek High Definition Driver actually sounds better on the same speakers Anyways, Tbird is now installed under 7, so does anyone know how to get my mail copied over? It's still on the other drive, but Tbird did not give me any option to copy from Tbird Thanks...Steve
Re: [H] Can I create System Restore points?
Lots better? LOL, that's a hoot! It has better aspects but major caveats like the revised directory structure kludged with symbolic links, WINSXS folder nightmare, only one true root user even as a domain member, all admins work as regular users with a broken detection mechanism for when to elevate, and lets not forget Trusted Installer owns all folders. The list could go on for a few more yards if I thought hard enough. If all that was simply the out of the box config and therefore reversible I'd have no issues with it but most of it is not. swzaske wrote: Try CCleaner Duncan and you can see a list of them and delete those too old to bother with. Any thoughts on upgrading one of your boxes to Vista SP2 for an audition? It's a bit of a learning curve but lots better than XP. IMHO DSinc wrote: JRS, Thanks. I have never seen this screen before! XP gets better every day! I used Christopher's link to create my 1st manual restore point. I noodled the MS tool. I can create a new point. I can rollback to a previous point. Why can I not view all the points on a given machine? Was thinking about doing a cull/delete of really old points? I know; I was thinking again. Dangerous! Anyway, thank you for the optional path. Best, Duncan JRS wrote: Even less clicks.. 'Start' then 'Help and Support' and then the System Restore stuff is right there under Pick a Task on the right side... Well, I guess it's still 3 clicks to start the System Restore app, but at least it's another way to get there.. :) On Sep 25, 2009, at 5:59 PM, DSinc wrote: Christopher Fisk, Thank you for this bit of magic. Suspected it was there, never found it. Sorry??? Best, Duncan Christopher Fisk wrote: On Fri, 25 Sep 2009, DSinc wrote: If I can create System Restore Points in XP, HOW? Then, is there any tutorial on how to use/drive System Restore? There is something about this feature I just do not yet comprehend. Though it seems to be working fine ATM!.. :) 1. Click Start, point to All Programs, point to Accessories, point to System Tools, and then click System Restore. 2. On the Welcome page, click Create a restore point. 3. On the Create a Restore Point page, enter a descriptive name for your restore point and then click Create. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/helpandsupport/getstarted/ballew_03may19.mspx Christopher Fisk
Re: [H] advise
I've heard good about Pani's and Samsungs, even Vizio. Still side by side comparison is only valid in controlled situations. If the set's not calibrated and/or the test material not varied enough it's pointless. Amazing how if Best Buy (for example) wants to sell units that they don't offer to plug in a BlueRay player with calibration media to show what each set can do. Nevermind that they don't even have their in-house certified calibrator's calibrate the floor models. More appalling was the blocky highly compressed video streaming off some video service's box in the back room over component video they used to show off all the floor models. Frustrating that they were not willing to let me pick 3 or 4 sets to plug in a bluray player w/ a movie to compare. Was considering bringing in the disc Robert Heron uses for his reviews for $10 that has all the content needed to exercise a set properly. This exercise came about because my dad in MN did not want to buy, try, return since I would not be there to help him unmount/rebox the set. So he's still watching digtal cable on a 19 Korean no-name TV. =( Winterlight wrote: At 01:48 PM 9/28/2009, you wrote: Heh, even knowing they're going out of the biz and what happens if there's a problem and you need parts or a replacement? Especially when you've spent that much $$? I've heard that the Panasonic plasmas are almost as good, less $$, and have pretty good warranties, fwiw... Pioneer comes with a three year in house warranty. It is a quality product and I haven't heard about anybody having any problems. However, Pioneer is a serious company and they will find a way to support it in order to preserve their great reputation. They still have a high end line of products and they do not want to loose those Elite buyers or make them feel abandoned. I have looked at Panasonic side by side and they are just not the same. Besides the Panasonic 60 inch are in the 3500 range anyway. But that said you make some very good points.
Re: [H] Thunderbird Settings Mail
1. Backup your profile folder! Key is to manually create a TB (FF also works this way) profile using Thunderbird.exe -profilemanger which lets you point to the folder you want to use rather than it creating a random named folder. Since I keep My Documents, Firefox TBird profiles, etc... on a TrueCrypt volume mounted as P:, it matters not what OS or logon I use those key folders are windows profile agnostic! Pointing FF TB to this setup has worked flawlessly through windows dual boots, reinstalls upgrades. Steve Tomporowski wrote: Okay, now I am coming live from Windows 7No complaints so far...except with M-Audio. It seems that they wrote their 64bit driver to only detect Vista64, so it refused to install. To my chagrin, the Realtek High Definition Driver actually sounds better on the same speakers Anyways, Tbird is now installed under 7, so does anyone know how to get my mail copied over? It's still on the other drive, but Tbird did not give me any option to copy from Tbird Thanks...Steve
Re: [H] advise
Yeah DLP has a bulb, but the one I got was one of the first (and now last) DLPs with LED backlights! So the life and brightness on this one is awesome! Only issue is hot-spotting, which happens with all RPTVs. But other than that (which isn't that big an issue since you're usually sitting still), it was definitely the best bang/buck purchase I'd make in a long time! ;) BINO -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of maccrawj Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 3:11 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] advise I had considered picking up old stock on a Kuros and decided no if they're not making them. Agreed they are/were the best, sad to loose that option. If Elites are still in production, even with someone else making the glass, I guess I'd consider them as an option. 240/120 are multiples of 24 which is supposed to mean 24 frame movie content displays right in addition to handling normal 60hz video w/o crapping out on moving content. Of course theres a zillion caveats to how comb filters, upscallers, and other features frakk an otherwise great set for a given mode: SD, HD, BluRay, etc... Granted I am just picking this up from reading over the past year so I could be wrong. DLP uses the bulb that burns out in several hundred hours, right? Unit takes up more space because it's a projector in a box? Eh, not what I'd want to invest in personally. Same with Plasma given the cost, despite the advantages, due to degrading nature of plasma over a few years. LCD w/ LED backlight seems to have come a long way and the prices are dropping closer to the level of old CRT sets in similar sizes. I remember paying $900 for a 27 non-XBR WEGA in 2000 when I thought it would cost more like $500. Only to find out I was sold an old model and it wasn't XBR or 32 for that much! If fact I paid almost $200 more to get the model with 2 SVID jacks, LOL. Last set I considered in June was 46? 240hz Bravia XBR9 for $2400 during a BB sale. The scam was there are two sequential sizes (46 52) but the sale was only on the 52 reduced to the normal price of the 46. Guess they figured customers would jump on it getting a 52 for the 46's price but what I really wanted was 46 for the same amount off! ;) Now I see it's about $2K for the KDL-46XBR9 I looked at. Random, yes, you I both seem to be in that mode for the same goal except I did not bite yet! Still waiting, maybe next spring... Bino Gopal wrote: Yeah Pioneer got out of the making plasma business. I know a bit about this b/c I researched extensively (and dithered for a while too) when my 26 Sony XBR WEGA CRT died earlier this year in Feb; was the best picture you could get, but it was just too small and I wanted something bigger. The Pioneer is still the best picture you're going to get, even compared to new LCDs b/c the blacks are the blackest and all that. That's b/c the filter or comb or whatever you call it on the Kuros (Kuro is the plasma line; the Elites are the best of the Kuros) are HANDMADE; yes, no joke-it's also why they were so expensive, and couldn't scale, especially with the economic downturn. So I was very tempted to pick one up; Best Buy had sales on them and was considering a display model two, but the 2 problems with that: 1) Since they're no longer making them, if something happens, what would I get as a replacement? Basically no guarantees on warranty or anything 2) The 60 (I wanted at least that size) was ~$5-6k, even if I got a floor model which has been on for a while, etc Since I got a 60 LED DLP that looks great for $950 (and just has a little hotspotting; otherwise the picture is AWESOME with HD cable (though you can tell which channels are skimping on the bandwidth, and which aren't-I will say SyFy and USA are doing a *very* good job there) and for what I paid I wouldn't feel bad in getting a new set in 2 or more years if I wanted to-though I don't hope to need to. And by then, things will have changed enough there'll be better tech out there that obviates all this stuff. And yeah, if you look at the industry, LCD has always been an inferior picture; it's gotten better, but objectives test show it's still not as good as a good plasma (read: Pioneer Kuro Elite, or the best Panasonics, which aren't bad either), but it was all a function of thinness and marketing; the buying public is not the techie or detail-oriented and if you can fool them, you drive the market to kill all the non-thin sets, and plasma was still too expensive in comparison and also uses a lot more power. I mean, an LCD tv is just a big computer monitor right? There's stuff native to the technology that don't make it good for viewing tv/movies and all that motion, hence all the 120Hz, 240Hz BS they have to do to compensate for that (I was talking to an ISF
Re: [H] I5 I7 ??
Zul, I know you are a heavy user, but please explain the 8 threads in the task mangler. I am confused. Why is this important or even germain to Winterlight's question? How is this work-in-my-home related? Best, Duncan Zulfiqar Naushad wrote: Actually if you look at performance per watt ratings the i5 does better. I just bought an i7 so I could see 8 threads in task manager. --Original Message-- From: Winterlight Sender: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com ReplyTo: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] I5 I7 ?? Sent: Sep 28, 2009 11:35 PM My 2nd PCs motherboard has apparently died so I am looking at a upgrade, motherboard, ram and CPU. The I5 is the cheapest at 200 but there is a 800 series I7 for 80 bucks more... why wouldn't I want to go with the I7 It is getting so you need to take a class to figure out Intel /AMD CPU lines.
Re: [H] I5 I7 ??
Oh yeah one more thing. The biggest single performance gain will be realized by purchasing a SSD drive. So go core i5 and if possible get a SSD drive and prepare for your jaws to hit the floor. --Original Message-- From: DSinc Sender: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com ReplyTo: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] I5 I7 ?? Sent: Sep 29, 2009 2:04 AM Zul, I know you are a heavy user, but please explain the 8 threads in the task mangler. I am confused. Why is this important or even germain to Winterlight's question? How is this work-in-my-home related? Best, Duncan Zulfiqar Naushad wrote: Actually if you look at performance per watt ratings the i5 does better. I just bought an i7 so I could see 8 threads in task manager. --Original Message-- From: Winterlight Sender: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com ReplyTo: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] I5 I7 ?? Sent: Sep 28, 2009 11:35 PM My 2nd PCs motherboard has apparently died so I am looking at a upgrade, motherboard, ram and CPU. The I5 is the cheapest at 200 but there is a 800 series I7 for 80 bucks more... why wouldn't I want to go with the I7 It is getting so you need to take a class to figure out Intel /AMD CPU lines.
Re: [H] I5 I7 ??
I know exactly what he means and that is my reason for getting I7 over the I5. For 80 bucks I get Hyperthreading which appears on the task manager as a core. So a Quadcore with HT would appear on Task manager as 8 CPUs.. which is cool, and worth the extra 80 bucks to me... and it is useful when video encoding. Duncan sometimes you forget that this is a Hardware group for tech heads and nerds and performance tweakers who don't give a damn about cost to value. Not the coupon clipping housewife geriatric list who can't see why they need to upgrade their PIIIs running Win98. So yeah, 8 cores on the taskmanager is cool man! And a good enough reason for me. At 04:04 PM 9/28/2009, you wrote: Zul, I know you are a heavy user, but please explain the 8 threads in the task mangler. I am confused. Why is this important or even germain to Winterlight's question? How is this work-in-my-home related? Best, Duncan Zulfiqar Naushad wrote: Actually if you look at performance per watt ratings the i5 does better. I just bought an i7 so I could see 8 threads in task manager. --Original Message-- From: Winterlight Sender: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com ReplyTo: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] I5 I7 ?? Sent: Sep 28, 2009 11:35 PM My 2nd PCs motherboard has apparently died so I am looking at a upgrade, motherboard, ram and CPU. The I5 is the cheapest at 200 but there is a 800 series I7 for 80 bucks more... why wouldn't I want to go with the I7 It is getting so you need to take a class to figure out Intel /AMD CPU lines.
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Winterlight, It appears that both you and I ARE watchers of Pioneer Elite. I own an RPG 55in Pioneer Elite. I plan to replace it soon because its' ~$450 convergence PWB is no longer happy. I have already put $200 in big ASICS and capacitors into this PWB. And, the damn thing still has ~300 hours left on the r/b/g tubes! It has been a superb TV for its' entire life. I am still favorably impressed with the Pioneer Elite offer/engineering; regardless of their premium price :) That PE does NOT do their own glass (for their plasma offers?) is of little concern. Ho-Hum? There are plenty of glass suppliers now! $4400 is a tasty figure for me. I paid $3500 for my PE back in 1995. So, like you, I will be watching what happens between now and Christmas '09. Yes, I am shopping also :) Best, Duncan Winterlight wrote: line; the Elites are the best of the Kuros) are HANDMADE; yes, no joke-it's also why they were so expensive, and couldn't scale, especially with the economic downturn. I too have been watching and dithering and I agree with what you wrote. It is down from 6500. You can get the Pro 151 Elite Kuro 60 inch now for around 4400 delivered to the curb but it is still a hell of a lot of money for a TV, especially since I almost never watch a movie and follow only one series. But if gets down below 3500 I will probably make the buy.
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Bino, Since when is Pioneer Elite going out of business? Maybe for plasma, but I think not for other options Of course, if YOU own plasma, then I suspect YOU might be just a bit jaded! LOL! Best, Duncan Bino Gopal wrote: Heh, even knowing they're going out of the biz and what happens if there's a problem and you need parts or a replacement? Especially when you've spent that much $$? I've heard that the Panasonic plasmas are almost as good, less $$, and have pretty good warranties, fwiw... -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:19 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] advise line; the Elites are the best of the Kuros) are HANDMADE; yes, no joke-it's also why they were so expensive, and couldn't scale, especially with the economic downturn. I too have been watching and dithering and I agree with what you wrote. It is down from 6500. You can get the Pro 151 Elite Kuro 60 inch now for around 4400 delivered to the curb but it is still a hell of a lot of money for a TV, especially since I almost never watch a movie and follow only one series. But if gets down below 3500 I will probably make the buy.
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When I went into to Best Buy looking for my 67-inch DLP LED Sammy, I ignored every thing I saw and anything any salesman told me about the various sets they had. I was armed with a zillion reviews from users of the set I wanted and at the price I was willing to pay. You just can't trust a place like Best Buy to give you a decent change to by a good set. They want to push to you want they want you to buy. That's why they had the set I bought hidden off by itself with dust all over the screen (to may big advantage, mind you, as most others weren't interested but wanted those crappy LCD Flats that were hanging all over the place). Once I had that baby delivered the two delivery guys could not believe their eyes after they got it setup and we popped in a Blu-ray. maccrawj wrote: I've heard good about Pani's and Samsungs, even Vizio. Still side by side comparison is only valid in controlled situations. If the set's not calibrated and/or the test material not varied enough it's pointless. Amazing how if Best Buy (for example) wants to sell units that they don't offer to plug in a BlueRay player with calibration media to show what each set can do. Nevermind that they don't even have their in-house certified calibrator's calibrate the floor models. More appalling was the blocky highly compressed video streaming off some video service's box in the back room over component video they used to show off all the floor models. Frustrating that they were not willing to let me pick 3 or 4 sets to plug in a bluray player w/ a movie to compare. Was considering bringing in the disc Robert Heron uses for his reviews for $10 that has all the content needed to exercise a set properly. This exercise came about because my dad in MN did not want to buy, try, return since I would not be there to help him unmount/rebox the set. So he's still watching digtal cable on a 19 Korean no-name TV. =( Winterlight wrote: At 01:48 PM 9/28/2009, you wrote: Heh, even knowing they're going out of the biz and what happens if there's a problem and you need parts or a replacement? Especially when you've spent that much $$? I've heard that the Panasonic plasmas are almost as good, less $$, and have pretty good warranties, fwiw... Pioneer comes with a three year in house warranty. It is a quality product and I haven't heard about anybody having any problems. However, Pioneer is a serious company and they will find a way to support it in order to preserve their great reputation. They still have a high end line of products and they do not want to loose those Elite buyers or make them feel abandoned. I have looked at Panasonic side by side and they are just not the same. Besides the Panasonic 60 inch are in the 3500 range anyway. But that said you make some very good points.
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Thanks, I take a look at that. I'll have to figure out how to move the location of the files since they're still under the old XP documents settings. Steve maccrawj wrote: 1. Backup your profile folder! Key is to manually create a TB (FF also works this way) profile using Thunderbird.exe -profilemanger which lets you point to the folder you want to use rather than it creating a random named folder. Since I keep My Documents, Firefox TBird profiles, etc... on a TrueCrypt volume mounted as P:, it matters not what OS or logon I use those key folders are windows profile agnostic! Pointing FF TB to this setup has worked flawlessly through windows dual boots, reinstalls upgrades. Steve Tomporowski wrote: Okay, now I am coming live from Windows 7No complaints so far...except with M-Audio. It seems that they wrote their 64bit driver to only detect Vista64, so it refused to install. To my chagrin, the Realtek High Definition Driver actually sounds better on the same speakers Anyways, Tbird is now installed under 7, so does anyone know how to get my mail copied over? It's still on the other drive, but Tbird did not give me any option to copy from Tbird Thanks...Steve
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Zul, As usual, U have again answered my silly-assed-question, AND, driven me back to more google searches.. LOL! I promise. One day I may just get some of this magic. :) Thanks friend. Best, Duncan Zulfiqar Naushad wrote: Difference between core i5 and core i7 8xx series cpu is that both are quad core but the i7 adds hyperthreading to the cores. Hence each core can execute 2 threads at once. Core i7 9xx series adds a new soxket, chipset and triple channel memory. To be honest for a general home user the performance difference between i5 and i7 will be negligible. However if you use apps that are multi core aware then the difference is more pronounced. Apps include video editing, video conversion, 3D rendering and compiling. Games are mainly single core aware and prefer higher clock speed over anything else. That is why intel introduced turbo boost. What it does is shut off non utilized cores and dynamically increase the clock speed of the on cores. I7 does this more aggressively and better than i5 and the i7 8xx does it better than the i7 9xx series. Does that info help u? --Original Message-- From: DSinc Sender: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com ReplyTo: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] I5 I7 ?? Sent: Sep 29, 2009 2:04 AM Zul, I know you are a heavy user, but please explain the 8 threads in the task mangler. I am confused. Why is this important or even germain to Winterlight's question? How is this work-in-my-home related? Best, Duncan Zulfiqar Naushad wrote: Actually if you look at performance per watt ratings the i5 does better. I just bought an i7 so I could see 8 threads in task manager. --Original Message-- From: Winterlight Sender: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com ReplyTo: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] I5 I7 ?? Sent: Sep 28, 2009 11:35 PM My 2nd PCs motherboard has apparently died so I am looking at a upgrade, motherboard, ram and CPU. The I5 is the cheapest at 200 but there is a 800 series I7 for 80 bucks more... why wouldn't I want to go with the I7 It is getting so you need to take a class to figure out Intel /AMD CPU lines.
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Do you mean a 'Solid State Drive' for SSD; like a really BIG Flash Drive? Best, Duncan Zulfiqar Naushad wrote: Oh yeah one more thing. The biggest single performance gain will be realized by purchasing a SSD drive. So go core i5 and if possible get a SSD drive and prepare for your jaws to hit the floor. --Original Message-- From: DSinc Sender: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com ReplyTo: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] I5 I7 ?? Sent: Sep 29, 2009 2:04 AM Zul, I know you are a heavy user, but please explain the 8 threads in the task mangler. I am confused. Why is this important or even germain to Winterlight's question? How is this work-in-my-home related? Best, Duncan Zulfiqar Naushad wrote: Actually if you look at performance per watt ratings the i5 does better. I just bought an i7 so I could see 8 threads in task manager. --Original Message-- From: Winterlight Sender: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com ReplyTo: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] I5 I7 ?? Sent: Sep 28, 2009 11:35 PM My 2nd PCs motherboard has apparently died so I am looking at a upgrade, motherboard, ram and CPU. The I5 is the cheapest at 200 but there is a 800 series I7 for 80 bucks more... why wouldn't I want to go with the I7 It is getting so you need to take a class to figure out Intel /AMD CPU lines.
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Winterlight, EXCU ME!! NO I have NEVER forgotten what this august group is all about. Not ever, never will, nope! Please got back and read your 2d para again. For, oh so many years, most of our discourse has been PRICE over Eng/Coolness/Tech/IWANTIT! I've read, learned, filed, studied... Thankfully, there are still some I don't care.. members left. I'd like to think that I still can play; once it a while!!!... LOL! ROFL.. L) Best, Duncan Winterlight wrote: I know exactly what he means and that is my reason for getting I7 over the I5. For 80 bucks I get Hyperthreading which appears on the task manager as a core. So a Quadcore with HT would appear on Task manager as 8 CPUs.. which is cool, and worth the extra 80 bucks to me... and it is useful when video encoding. Duncan sometimes you forget that this is a Hardware group for tech heads and nerds and performance tweakers who don't give a damn about cost to value. Not the coupon clipping housewife geriatric list who can't see why they need to upgrade their PIIIs running Win98. So yeah, 8 cores on the taskmanager is cool man! And a good enough reason for me. At 04:04 PM 9/28/2009, you wrote: Zul, I know you are a heavy user, but please explain the 8 threads in the task mangler. I am confused. Why is this important or even germain to Winterlight's question? How is this work-in-my-home related? Best, Duncan Zulfiqar Naushad wrote: Actually if you look at performance per watt ratings the i5 does better. I just bought an i7 so I could see 8 threads in task manager. --Original Message-- From: Winterlight Sender: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com ReplyTo: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] I5 I7 ?? Sent: Sep 28, 2009 11:35 PM My 2nd PCs motherboard has apparently died so I am looking at a upgrade, motherboard, ram and CPU. The I5 is the cheapest at 200 but there is a 800 series I7 for 80 bucks more... why wouldn't I want to go with the I7 It is getting so you need to take a class to figure out Intel /AMD CPU lines.
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At 04:16 PM 9/28/2009, you wrote: Oh yeah one more thing. The biggest single performance gain will be realized by purchasing a SSD drive. even compared to my Velociraptor ? What brands ?
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Yes, a good SSD is many times better than even a VR. The Intel G2's are the best, but anything based on the Indilinx Barefoot controller (ie: OCZ Vertex) is also good. The 80GB Intel G2 should run around $230, but the prices are jacked up and it's OOS in many stores due to very high demand. I'm avoiding Newegg on this drive--they bumped the price all the way up to $499 on it to screw over customers. Newegg is one of the very worst about pricing on hot new items. Avoid anything based on Samsung or especially JMicron controllers. You're better off with a VR than a JMicron-based SSD IMO. Greg -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 7:15 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] I5 I7 ?? At 04:16 PM 9/28/2009, you wrote: Oh yeah one more thing. The biggest single performance gain will be realized by purchasing a SSD drive. even compared to my Velociraptor ? What brands ?
Re: [H] Thunderbird Settings Mail
RAR/Zip/7z whatever as long as it doesn't move the NTFS security it should not matter. The one thing I found just now double checking mine is that extensions.ini prefs.js DO have embedded URL paths. I've not hit that since my paths never change. Should be simple enough to search replace both sets of settings with a text editor. Note: ini uses standard paths D:\folder\subfolder\ js uses escaped paths D:\\folder\\subfolder\\ I'll stress the TrueCrypt volume point again since it not only secures the contents but also means the path never changes! Steve Tomporowski wrote: Thanks, I take a look at that. I'll have to figure out how to move the location of the files since they're still under the old XP documents settings. Steve maccrawj wrote: 1. Backup your profile folder! Key is to manually create a TB (FF also works this way) profile using Thunderbird.exe -profilemanger which lets you point to the folder you want to use rather than it creating a random named folder. Since I keep My Documents, Firefox TBird profiles, etc... on a TrueCrypt volume mounted as P:, it matters not what OS or logon I use those key folders are windows profile agnostic! Pointing FF TB to this setup has worked flawlessly through windows dual boots, reinstalls upgrades. Steve Tomporowski wrote: Okay, now I am coming live from Windows 7No complaints so far...except with M-Audio. It seems that they wrote their 64bit driver to only detect Vista64, so it refused to install. To my chagrin, the Realtek High Definition Driver actually sounds better on the same speakers Anyways, Tbird is now installed under 7, so does anyone know how to get my mail copied over? It's still on the other drive, but Tbird did not give me any option to copy from Tbird Thanks...Steve
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At 05:32 PM 9/28/2009, you wrote: Yes, a good SSD is many times better than even a VR. The Intel G2's are the best, but anything based on the Indilinx Barefoot controller (ie: OCZ Vertex) is also good. The 80GB Intel G2 should run around $230, but the prices are jacked up and it's OOS in many stores due to very high demand. I'm avoiding Newegg on this drive--they bumped the price all the way up to $499 on it to screw over customers. Newegg is one of the very worst about pricing on hot new items. they have it for 289. It is the 120GB that is 589. I assume you use it for your OS drive which means your temp and your page file all are running out of RAM. Avoid anything based on Samsung or especially JMicron controllers. You're better off with a VR than a JMicron-based SSD IMO. Greg -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 7:15 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] I5 I7 ?? At 04:16 PM 9/28/2009, you wrote: Oh yeah one more thing. The biggest single performance gain will be realized by purchasing a SSD drive. even compared to my Velociraptor ? What brands ?
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they have it for 289. It is the 120GB that is 589. I assume you use it for your OS drive which means your temp and your page file all are running out of RAM. Yes, it is now, but they initially bumped up the 80GB G2 at $499 for the OEM version and $599 for the retail version shortly after it went for sale. FU Newegg. They always pull that shit. I already won't buy magnetic drives (horrible packaging, had many DOAs) or processors (horrible pricing that I can beat every time with local BM stores) from them. Greg
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Bragging rights and if you have the cash why not? DSinc wrote: Zul, I know you are a heavy user, but please explain the 8 threads in the task mangler. I am confused. Why is this important or even germain to Winterlight's question? How is this work-in-my-home related? Best, Duncan Zulfiqar Naushad wrote: Actually if you look at performance per watt ratings the i5 does better. I just bought an i7 so I could see 8 threads in task manager. --Original Message-- From: Winterlight Sender: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com ReplyTo: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] I5 I7 ?? Sent: Sep 28, 2009 11:35 PM My 2nd PCs motherboard has apparently died so I am looking at a upgrade, motherboard, ram and CPU. The I5 is the cheapest at 200 but there is a 800 series I7 for 80 bucks more... why wouldn't I want to go with the I7 It is getting so you need to take a class to figure out Intel /AMD CPU lines.
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Or get a quad core AMD system and an SSD and prepare for your jaws to hit the floor. Zulfiqar Naushad wrote: Oh yeah one more thing. The biggest single performance gain will be realized by purchasing a SSD drive. So go core i5 and if possible get a SSD drive and prepare for your jaws to hit the floor. --Original Message-- From: DSinc Sender: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com ReplyTo: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] I5 I7 ?? Sent: Sep 29, 2009 2:04 AM Zul, I know you are a heavy user, but please explain the 8 threads in the task mangler. I am confused. Why is this important or even germain to Winterlight's question? How is this work-in-my-home related? Best, Duncan Zulfiqar Naushad wrote: Actually if you look at performance per watt ratings the i5 does better. I just bought an i7 so I could see 8 threads in task manager. --Original Message-- From: Winterlight Sender: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com ReplyTo: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] I5 I7 ?? Sent: Sep 28, 2009 11:35 PM My 2nd PCs motherboard has apparently died so I am looking at a upgrade, motherboard, ram and CPU. The I5 is the cheapest at 200 but there is a 800 series I7 for 80 bucks more... why wouldn't I want to go with the I7 It is getting so you need to take a class to figure out Intel /AMD CPU lines.
Re: [H] Can I create System Restore points?
Have you seen S09E01 of Smallville yet? I think Clark uses CCleaner to augment his own super powers. Well, I could be mistaken about that. LOL I have 5 boxes total and only 1 running Windows 7 64 RTM that was running Vista 64 SP2. I haven't bought Win7 but own Vista and can say with all honesty that Vista is better than WinXP Home. I'll run Win7 for 120 days and then probably re-install Vista. It's only for DX10.1 games that I even got it in the first place. Microsoft is releasing DX11 for Vista later this year so after I upgrade my video card to an HD5850 I'll still be ready for the next gen games coming out in the months ahead. I'm not hard core cutting edge but I still have some youthful fire in my belly. Well, a smoldering coal anyway.. DSinc wrote: Stan, Thank you. I had forgotten all about CCleaner. I run it mostly 'plain-wrapper.' I know it has more powers, but I choose to use it as it loads. I will look deeper now. No. No thoughts of moving any of my clients to Vista. I choose to wait and perhaps try Win7. The drag from MS-DOS to WinXP has been a large enough ride for me. I choose to hold at WinXPproSP3 ATM. You like Vista; fine. I choose not to play. Best, Duncan swzaske wrote: Try CCleaner Duncan and you can see a list of them and delete those too old to bother with. Any thoughts on upgrading one of your boxes to Vista SP2 for an audition? It's a bit of a learning curve but lots better than XP. IMHO snip
