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[Winterlight]

I ordered a quiet 910 last month at Provantage and it was put on back 
order. Now I am notified that the manufacturer has cancelled the 
product. Funny thing is that neither Newegg or Provantage have much 
PCP&C inventory, and the ones who have the 910 in stock want a lot of 
money for them. So I called PCP&C and was told that Provantage and 
Newegg are no longer buying from them and that yes the 910 was 
discontinued seven months ago. A new line would be coming out the 
first week of February which includes a 950 watt but so no prices 
have been made available yet.


The whole thing feels like a business that is in trouble, maybe going 
under, or was sold to somebody who is planning on capitalizing on 
their rep. So Greg, you are still solid on Seasonic?... there seems 
to be mixed reviews on Newegg Seasonic 850 50 percent great, 25 
percent OK but some kind of issue, and 25 percent DOA or a problem.

hardware@hardwaregroup.com

[Neil Davidson]

Antec, Corsair and Enermax PSUs get a lot of rep from forums I'm on.

-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight
Sent: 26 January 2010 19:30
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] something is going on at PCP&C

I ordered a quiet 910 last month at Provantage and it was put on back order.
Now I am notified that the manufacturer has cancelled the product. Funny
thing is that neither Newegg or Provantage have much PCP&C inventory, and
the ones who have the 910 in stock want a lot of money for them. So I called
PCP&C and was told that Provantage and Newegg are no longer buying from them
and that yes the 910 was discontinued seven months ago. A new line would be
coming out the first week of February which includes a 950 watt but so no
prices have been made available yet.

The whole thing feels like a business that is in trouble, maybe going under,
or was sold to somebody who is planning on capitalizing on their rep. So
Greg, you are still solid on Seasonic?... there seems to be mixed reviews on
Newegg Seasonic 850 50 percent great, 25 percent OK but some kind of issue,
and 25 percent DOA or a problem.

hardware@hardwaregroup.com

[DSinc]

Could be because PCP&C in now part of their owner, OCZ.
I do so really like PCP&C's product, but NOW I look closer at Seasonic 
offerings.

Otherwise, I don't know.  910W?  Wow!
What are you trying to do ATM?
Best,
Duncan


On 01/26/2010 14:30, Winterlight wrote:

I ordered a quiet 910 last month at Provantage and it was put on back
order. Now I am notified that the manufacturer has cancelled the
product. Funny thing is that neither Newegg or Provantage have much
PCP&C inventory, and the ones who have the 910 in stock want a lot of
money for them. So I called PCP&C and was told that Provantage and
Newegg are no longer buying from them and that yes the 910 was
discontinued seven months ago. A new line would be coming out the first
week of February which includes a 950 watt but so no prices have been
made available yet.

The whole thing feels like a business that is in trouble, maybe going
under, or was sold to somebody who is planning on capitalizing on their
rep. So Greg, you are still solid on Seasonic?... there seems to be
mixed reviews on Newegg Seasonic 850 50 percent great, 25 percent OK but
some kind of issue, and 25 percent DOA or a problem.

[H] W7 Bug ?

[FORC5]

All of a sudden I have a program that will not run unless I right click/run as 
administrator. 

Also right click on computer/manage throws a error. Can get there thru MMC Very 
strange. 
W7 Ultimate. Have poked at different things. Have not tried a repair or re 
installing the sw.

thanks
fp


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hardware@hardwaregroup.com

[Winterlight]

At 12:47 PM 1/26/2010, you wrote:

Could be because PCP&C in now part of their owner, OCZ.


loose major vendors, ... not have any product to sell, ...look around 
everything popular is a special order,... I was told the Quiet 910 
was out of production 7 months ago, but funny thing it is still 
listed on their site as a ongoing product and places are still 
selling it  which is what I did until it was cancelled 
today... it is more then just OCZ. You might purchase a company, and 
shake things up but the last thing you want to do is disrupt the 
income flow which is obviously what has happened here.



What are you trying to do ATM?
Best,
Duncan


I run a overclocked Q9650 in a Asus Maximum  with 8 GB of DDR2 Two 
Asus ATI 4970,  four hard drives, two optical, one floppy, and one 
soon to be two SSDs and a bunch of fans on a PCP&C Quiet 750 and I 
think I am pushing things when I fire up Crossfire Those GPUs and the 
overclock pull a lot of watts 

Re: [H] W7 Bug ?

[Steve Tomporowski]

I've had a few strange things happen with W7 Ultimate also.  I use 
Internet Download Manager.  If I download files over 150 MB, the 
rebuilding of the files after download slows the system to a crawl.  
Download enough files and then I run out of resources and have even had 
blue screens.  And this just began within the last couple of weeks.  As 
long as I don't do massive downloading, I'm fine.  I'm probably due to 
upgrade that app.


Steve

FORC5 wrote:
All of a sudden I have a program that will not run unless I right click/run as administrator. 

Also right click on computer/manage throws a error. Can get there thru MMC Very strange. 
W7 Ultimate. Have poked at different things. Have not tried a repair or re installing the sw.


thanks
fp


  




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[H] SSD recommendations?

[Brian Weeden]

I'm about to pull the trigger on an SSD for my laptop and wanted to know
what people thought so far.  It's going in a Lenovo x200t that I really
love.

I'm thinking of going with the OCZ Vertex 120GB:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227395

But I am considering the 60GB version of the same drive. My only hesitation
is that AFAIK I only have one internal drive bay so I would need to keep my
entire Win 7 install to below 60 GB.  That's fine as long as I give up
carrying my music collection with me.

---
Brian Weeden
Technical Advisor
Secure World Foundation 
+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
+1 (202) 683-8534 US

hardware@hardwaregroup.com

[James Boswell]

I had some terrible reliability problems with various models of antec PSU a 
couple of years ago, had several models all develop dead +12v power for the cpu 
connector in a fairly short timeframe, and that kinda put me off.
pretty much everything I've got or maintain has an Enermax or Corsair unit in 
it, and I've had no trouble with them.

Also had good results from Tagan units.

On 26 Jan 2010, at 20:10, Neil Davidson wrote:

> Antec, Corsair and Enermax PSUs get a lot of rep from forums I'm on.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
> [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight
> Sent: 26 January 2010 19:30
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: [H] something is going on at PCP&C
> 
> I ordered a quiet 910 last month at Provantage and it was put on back order.
> Now I am notified that the manufacturer has cancelled the product. Funny
> thing is that neither Newegg or Provantage have much PCP&C inventory, and
> the ones who have the 910 in stock want a lot of money for them. So I called
> PCP&C and was told that Provantage and Newegg are no longer buying from them
> and that yes the 910 was discontinued seven months ago. A new line would be
> coming out the first week of February which includes a 950 watt but so no
> prices have been made available yet.
> 
> The whole thing feels like a business that is in trouble, maybe going under,
> or was sold to somebody who is planning on capitalizing on their rep. So
> Greg, you are still solid on Seasonic?... there seems to be mixed reviews on
> Newegg Seasonic 850 50 percent great, 25 percent OK but some kind of issue,
> and 25 percent DOA or a problem.
> 

hardware@hardwaregroup.com

[Greg Sevart]

> >What are you trying to do ATM?
> >Best,
> >Duncan
> 
> I run a overclocked Q9650 in a Asus Maximum  with 8 GB of DDR2 Two
> Asus ATI 4970,  four hard drives, two optical, one floppy, and one
> soon to be two SSDs and a bunch of fans on a PCP&C Quiet 750 and I
> think I am pushing things when I fire up Crossfire Those GPUs and the
> overclock pull a lot of watts

You might actually want to grab a Kill-A-Watt meter or a real clamp-on meter
and actually measure it. Frankly, I'd be surprised if you're pulling more
than 500-600 watts at maximum load. I haven't measured mine recently (Q6600
at 3.6GHz, 8GB, 5770, and 13 HDs, 9 fans, plus a water pump that pulls more
than you might think), but it was around 500 watts load. My brother's system
(dual six-core AMD Opterons, 5870, and 12 HDs, including 4 15k SAS drives)
pulls just shy of 500 watts at full CPU load. And that's from the
mains--figure the PSUs are roughly 85% efficient (both are SeaSonic units),
and that's only around 430 watts off the secondary--which is what a PSU is
rated in.

Either way, I'm still sold on SeaSonic--specifically the S12/M12 and X Gold
series. I have changed my yardstick measure of quality, though...more than
anything else, I look at the manufacturer of the capacitors on the primary
and secondary sides in a PSU. I've found this to be the best measure of a
unit's quality, since you don't really see a PSU advertise that they use
Rubycon or Nippon Chemi-Con--but they are far more expensive than cheaper,
less reliable components and are universally found in the best supplies.

Greg

Re: [H] SSD recommendations?

[Greg Sevart]

The Vertex is a nice drive. We have 45 of them deployed at work, and they're
very fast. I've become somewhat concerned with their reliability
though...I've had several of them either die or become quirky. I typically
am not one to judge drives based on such a tiny sample size, but SSDs are
supposed to be much more reliable than magnetic drives...and I haven't
experienced that.

For what it's worth, I only buy Intel G2 SSDs now--including for my personal
systems. They have faster sequential read performance, and much faster
random write performance, but lower sequential write performance (which
frankly doesn't much matter). Most real world tests put them ahead of the
Vertex.

Greg

> -Original Message-
> From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
> boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 7:33 PM
> To: hwg
> Subject: [H] SSD recommendations?
> 
> I'm about to pull the trigger on an SSD for my laptop and wanted to
> know
> what people thought so far.  It's going in a Lenovo x200t that I really
> love.
> 
> I'm thinking of going with the OCZ Vertex 120GB:
> 
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227395
> 
> But I am considering the 60GB version of the same drive. My only
> hesitation
> is that AFAIK I only have one internal drive bay so I would need to
> keep my
> entire Win 7 install to below 60 GB.  That's fine as long as I give up
> carrying my music collection with me.
> 
> ---
> Brian Weeden
> Technical Advisor
> Secure World Foundation 
> +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
> +1 (202) 683-8534 US

Re: [H] W7 Bug ?

[maccrawj]

Are the downloads indexed?

On 1/26/2010 4:26 PM, Steve Tomporowski wrote:

I've had a few strange things happen with W7 Ultimate also.  I use
Internet Download Manager. If I download files over 150 MB, the
rebuilding of the files after download slows the system to a crawl.
Download enough files and then I run out of resources and have even had
blue screens. And this just began within the last couple of weeks. As
long as I don't do massive downloading, I'm fine. I'm probably due to
upgrade that app.

Steve

FORC5 wrote:

All of a sudden I have a program that will not run unless I right
click/run as administrator.
Also right click on computer/manage throws a error. Can get there thru
MMC Very strange. W7 Ultimate. Have poked at different things. Have
not tried a repair or re installing the sw.

thanks
fp






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Re: [H] Is there any point? [phone]

[maccrawj]

NID, best way to check if it's you or them.

As to house wiring it's sure a lot easier to diagnose runs if you have a way to 
separate them. "Home runs" from jacks back to a central block are a good start.


On 1/25/2010 1:37 PM, Rick Glazier wrote:

The Phone Network disconnect? NID?
http://www.homephonewiring.com/nid.html
I forgot those letters too, and they still look "odd"... (grin)

Yes, When (if) you switch to FIOS, you can feed the house from
that "inside" jack.
Plus, for now, if it is snowing and the phones don't work,
looking in the basement is a lot easier...

Rick Glazier

From: "DSinc"

Is there any point? [phone]

I think internal phone lines have 4 wires (2 lines).
Normally, I see these as Red, Green, Yellow, and Black.
No need to further confuse with various White w/stripe wires. I leave
this coding to the "experts." ATM!

Is there any good reason to have a central phone block/box inside the
house so I can troubleshoot separate lines inside the house?
Like between "ME" and the TSID?

Re: [H] Fwd: Re: Bioshock

[maccrawj]

RAM temps may not be monitored so heat throttle or safety shutdown would not 
kick in.

At least you should run 3dmark to see if the problem shows up there. Otherwise it 
could simply be that one game has issues with the video driver.



On 1/24/2010 11:56 AM, Winterlight wrote:



Red stars like noise? That's the kind of thing you see when the video
ram is OC'd or overheating AFAIK.


I guess... I see lots of bright red stars. I am not overclocking the
video card... no need for this four year old game with this pair of one
year old 4970s. I don't think it is overheating or the board would shut
it down, but I may have hit then end of my power curve. I am using a
PCP&C 750 quiet, but for a overclocked Q9650, 8GB of DDR800, two 4970s
and four HDs one SSD, two optical and a floppy so maybe I am pushing it.
However I happen to have a PCP&C 910 quiet on back order that should
show up soon and I will see if that helps.

Other people are having problems trying to play the game in 64 bit so
you are probably right about compatibility. I should hook up my dual old
Xeon 3.06 with a X1950 running XPSP3 to finish the game.





I'd be running 3dmark or similar to see if it can be reproduced
outside of that game by taxing the hardware to the max. If no issue
the I guess you're looking at a compatibility issue thus needing a
dual-boot to XP or linux + CodeWeaver's gamer distro.



On 1/23/2010 10:17 AM, Winterlight wrote:

I picked up Bioshock last month on one of those games for 5 dollars
deals. I installed it in Win 7 64 bit and started playing it but after a
while it just didn't feel that smooth. My hardware is a Q9650 with 8 GB
of RAM, Velociraptor, and two 4970s in Win 7 PRO ... but not running
crossfire. I didn't need crossfire as I could run at 2560 X 1600 on my
30 inch monitor and it installed with all ,maxed on the graphics.

I thought maybe it is a compatibility issue. So I booted (dual boot)
into my previous Vista 64 which I had stripped down to basics... no av,
no firewall, no nothing running, and this time crossfire enabled. This
did feel better but eventually, as I progressed through the game I
started getting video artifacts = red stars appearing during game play,
in large numbers, and then locks, and crashes and a inability to
remember my keyboard settings.

I tried the latest ATI drivers, a reinstall of the game (there is no
patch), and then tried booting back to win7 to see if I experienced the
same thing.. and I did. So is this just a XP32 sort of game or is there
something I can do to continue?

thanks
W

hardware@hardwaregroup.com

[Winterlight]

I suspected this, but whenever I have used one of the online power estimators

http://www.antec.outervision.com/
http://www.pcpower.com/technology/power_usage/
http://support.asus.com/PowerSupplyCalculator/PowerSupplyCalculator_right.aspx

I  end up right at what I have, or more, and I while I own a 
Kill-A-Watt, and a clamp on meter,  I have never figured out how to 
bring my PC with video up to  its max draw... I guess I would just 
run burn in software.


However, I need another PS  for another PC, and since I can't find 
anything in PCP&C so I am thinking of getting  a SeaSonic


S12D 850 Silver 850W ATX12V V2.3/EPS 12V V2.91 80 PLUS SILVER 
Certified Active PFC Power Supply -


on sale for sixty percent of what I had paid for the 910.

 What exactly is the difference between  the S12  the M12  and the X 
Gold ( which isn't available above 750w)


thanks


At 05:40 PM 1/26/2010, you wrote:

> >What are you trying to do ATM?
> >Best,
> >Duncan
>
> I run a overclocked Q9650 in a Asus Maximum  with 8 GB of DDR2 Two
> Asus ATI 4970,  four hard drives, two optical, one floppy, and one
> soon to be two SSDs and a bunch of fans on a PCP&C Quiet 750 and I
> think I am pushing things when I fire up Crossfire Those GPUs and the
> overclock pull a lot of watts

You might actually want to grab a Kill-A-Watt meter or a real clamp-on meter
and actually measure it. Frankly, I'd be surprised if you're pulling more
than 500-600 watts at maximum load. I haven't measured mine recently (Q6600
at 3.6GHz, 8GB, 5770, and 13 HDs, 9 fans, plus a water pump that pulls more
than you might think), but it was around 500 watts load. My brother's system
(dual six-core AMD Opterons, 5870, and 12 HDs, including 4 15k SAS drives)
pulls just shy of 500 watts at full CPU load. And that's from the
mains--figure the PSUs are roughly 85% efficient (both are SeaSonic units),
and that's only around 430 watts off the secondary--which is what a PSU is
rated in.

Either way, I'm still sold on SeaSonic--specifically the S12/M12 and X Gold
series. I have changed my yardstick measure of quality, though...more than
anything else, I look at the manufacturer of the capacitors on the primary
and secondary sides in a PSU. I've found this to be the best measure of a
unit's quality, since you don't really see a PSU advertise that they use
Rubycon or Nippon Chemi-Con--but they are far more expensive than cheaper,
less reliable components and are universally found in the best supplies.

Greg

hardware@hardwaregroup.com

[Greg Sevart]

Power supply calculators are almost universally wrong--enough that I don't
bother anymore. I've never seen a system near what they estimate, even under
load. 


The S12 is their high quality mainstream series, and M12 is similar, but
modular. The X Gold series is 90% efficient--80PLUS Gold Certified. It
currently represents their top tier, but they haven't released a 90%
efficient unit over 750 watts (yet).

Greg

> -Original Message-
> From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
> boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Winterlight
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:22 PM
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] something is going on at PCP&C
> 
> I suspected this, but whenever I have used one of the online power
> estimators
> 
> http://www.antec.outervision.com/
> http://www.pcpower.com/technology/power_usage/
> http://support.asus.com/PowerSupplyCalculator/PowerSupplyCalculator_rig
> ht.aspx
> 
> I  end up right at what I have, or more, and I while I own a
> Kill-A-Watt, and a clamp on meter,  I have never figured out how to
> bring my PC with video up to  its max draw... I guess I would just
> run burn in software.
> 
> However, I need another PS  for another PC, and since I can't find
> anything in PCP&C so I am thinking of getting  a SeaSonic
> 
> S12D 850 Silver 850W ATX12V V2.3/EPS 12V V2.91 80 PLUS SILVER
> Certified Active PFC Power Supply -
> 
> on sale for sixty percent of what I had paid for the 910.
> 
>   What exactly is the difference between  the S12  the M12  and the X
> Gold ( which isn't available above 750w)
> 
> thanks
> 
>