Re: [H] Killed an Old Machine!-FIXED!
LMAO! OK. That is for sure.. Must be why most of my OLD friends are all "crusty curmudgeons!" I may still be 'in training'. But 'stupid' is still a problem ATM! Duncan On 03/25/2010 12:13, FORC5 wrote: getting old ain't for sissies :'( LMAO fp At 09:07 AM 3/25/2010, DSinc Poked the stick with: Rick/FORC5, Thank you. But, I did find the bug! It was a true, major case of PEBCAK! I did a really dumb thing. I deleted NTDETECT.COM. The boot.ini file was actually in place and ?fine? JRS shared a link to the "Ed Jablondki" boot file logic. I now have a working XP BOOT Floppy that does work! I recovered the missing NTDETECT.COM file back to c:\windows. The very old XP client is OpsNorml again and even completed its' monthly XP updates. Embarrassed I certainly am! LOL! Duncan
Re: [H] Killed an Old Machine!-FIXED!
getting old ain't for sissies :'( LMAO fp At 09:07 AM 3/25/2010, DSinc Poked the stick with: >Rick/FORC5, >Thank you. But, I did find the bug! >It was a true, major case of PEBCAK! >I did a really dumb thing. I deleted NTDETECT.COM. >The boot.ini file was actually in place and ?fine? > >JRS shared a link to the "Ed Jablondki" boot file logic. >I now have a working XP BOOT Floppy that does work! > >I recovered the missing NTDETECT.COM file back to c:\windows. >The very old XP client is OpsNorml again and even completed its' monthly XP >updates. > >Embarrassed I certainly am! LOL! >Duncan > -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Many men go fishing all of their lives without knowing that it is not fish they are after. -Henry David Thoreau
Re: [H] Killed an Old Machine!-FIXED!
Rick/FORC5, Thank you. But, I did find the bug! It was a true, major case of PEBCAK! I did a really dumb thing. I deleted NTDETECT.COM. The boot.ini file was actually in place and ?fine? JRS shared a link to the "Ed Jablondki" boot file logic. I now have a working XP BOOT Floppy that does work! I recovered the missing NTDETECT.COM file back to c:\windows. The very old XP client is OpsNorml again and even completed its' monthly XP updates. Embarrassed I certainly am! LOL! Duncan On 03/18/2010 01:06, Rick Glazier wrote: From: "DSinc" I suppose my question is: "Does XP need BOOT.INI to boot up?" Yes, it is critical. It tells the bootloader where to locate and then to start Windows. All you need to do is try different ones, the switches need to be as I posted. When you find one that works, use it. You need to boot to something that will support writing to an NTFS file system drive. This assumes you HAVE NTFS on the old drive. Fat32 would be a piece of cake, but that is no reason to have used it. (There are other limitations to using Fat32.) I'd give more instructions, but I'm not sure how much info you need and what "tools" you have to work with. Puppy Linux is a good way to boot and add file to the old broken drive. OR you could move it to another machine internal or by a USB adapter. There are lots of ways to accomplish this. Rick Glazier
Re: [H] Killed an Old Machine!
From: "DSinc" Changed bios boot order to the CDRom. Odd. Machine will not even boot any CD either? BartPE?, XP? W2K? Bummer, you need to get "that" working first. BartPE would be my first choice. BartPE "always" works if the hardware is willing... (It gave me some errors recently, but the disk was dusty...) Rick Glazier
Re: [H] Killed an Old Machine!
From: "DSinc" I suppose my question is: "Does XP need BOOT.INI to boot up?" Yes, it is critical. It tells the bootloader where to locate and then to start Windows. All you need to do is try different ones, the switches need to be as I posted. When you find one that works, use it. You need to boot to something that will support writing to an NTFS file system drive. This assumes you HAVE NTFS on the old drive. Fat32 would be a piece of cake, but that is no reason to have used it. (There are other limitations to using Fat32.) I'd give more instructions, but I'm not sure how much info you need and what "tools" you have to work with. Puppy Linux is a good way to boot and add file to the old broken drive. OR you could move it to another machine internal or by a USB adapter. There are lots of ways to accomplish this. Rick Glazier
Re: [H] Killed an Old Machine!
FORC5, tnx. not down to a FD yet. That will be my last try for sure. This machine does still have a FD (1 of 2; out of 7). Not sure it even works any longer. No bother. Changed bios boot order to the CDRom. Odd. Machine will not even boot any CD either? BartPE?, XP? W2K? Tomorrow will be a brighter day. Time for a nap!! Best, Duncan On 03/17/2010 23:15, FORC5 wrote: also fwiw it is possible to copy a few files to a floppy and windows will boot from it. I used to make those for safety but have not in a long time. memory is suspect but I believe the files needed copied to a bootable floppy( not even sure if this is needed or not) maybe tomorrow I will play some for old times sake :-( boot.ini ntdetect.com NTLDR while the boot.ini will transfer from another box not sure about the others. memory sucks right now. fp At 05:04 PM 3/17/2010, DSinc Poked the stick with: Tnx FORC5, I'll give that link a view. Just freaked into "2MuchFun..." More reading. Duncan
Re: [H] Killed an Old Machine!
also fwiw it is possible to copy a few files to a floppy and windows will boot from it. I used to make those for safety but have not in a long time. memory is suspect but I believe the files needed copied to a bootable floppy( not even sure if this is needed or not) maybe tomorrow I will play some for old times sake :-( boot.ini ntdetect.com NTLDR while the boot.ini will transfer from another box not sure about the others. memory sucks right now. fp At 05:04 PM 3/17/2010, DSinc Poked the stick with: Tnx FORC5, I'll give that link a view. Just freaked into "2MuchFun..." More reading. Duncan -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Is a hippie haircut an example of the lunatic fringe?
Re: [H] Killed an Old Machine!
The key part is the reference to the drive, once you have that you can recreate from another copy of boot.ini. Richard E. Quilhot C.N.A. quilh...@gmail.com On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 8:21 PM, DSinc wrote: > THX AL, > Good reminder. LOL! > Believe I still now owe a past set of funeral pix (1st CUBX). > My bad. This one will be recorded. It is Spring. I can now play with fire > again, I think! > Just not certain I need to move to funerary duties yet...pending. > Duncan > > > > On 03/17/2010 19:35, Al Anger wrote: > >> >> DSinc wrote: >> >> Opinions welcome. >>> Viking Funeral is in the plan... >>> >> >> Pics are required. :-D >> >> regards, >> al >> >>
Re: [H] Killed an Old Machine!
THX AL, Good reminder. LOL! Believe I still now owe a past set of funeral pix (1st CUBX). My bad. This one will be recorded. It is Spring. I can now play with fire again, I think! Just not certain I need to move to funerary duties yet...pending. Duncan On 03/17/2010 19:35, Al Anger wrote: DSinc wrote: Opinions welcome. Viking Funeral is in the plan... Pics are required. :-D regards, al
Re: [H] Killed an Old Machine!
Lopaka, I have 7 clients. 6 of them are XP. Yes, I can grab this file from any one of them. Way to bad than all 7 are NOT the same. SUX2BME! I suppose my question is: "Does XP need BOOT.INI to boot up?" If so, I'm working on making this file come active. Somehow. More as I dig. :) Duncan On 03/17/2010 18:59, Robert Martin Jr. wrote: Or grab one off another machine and look at the structure and make any drive or partition adjustments before copying to the dead box using a boot disk or bootcd lopaka From: FORC5 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 2:27:52 PM Subject: Re: [H] Killed an Old Machine! off the top of my head forget the commands but is possible to rebuild the boot.ini from a repair console when u boot to the install disk, lot easier then a repair install. http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000648.htm hohoho At 03:21 PM 3/17/2010, DSinc Poked the stick with: Should I be stupid enough to DELETE a 'boot.ini' file on an XPpro machine,.. ...do I have a chance of getting this machine back? Can I use a Repair Install to fix this stupid USER error? This is not cardiac arrest. This is a very old and "dying" machine I forced to WinXP. This is an Asus CUBX m/b (512MB). This is an Intel P-3 800Mhz machine. This is a machine that has been flakey for about 6 months! This is a machine that does not like to 'Shut Down.' I can totally loose all of the DATA on this machine! I backed this machine up 2 days ago using my M$ backup logic. Opinions welcome. Viking Funeral is in the plan... (I get a Lian-Li case for a new toy!) Best, Duncan
Re: [H] Killed an Old Machine!
Rick, I suppose this share assumes I can even view THE boot.ini file. I can not. Standard 'upgrade' install (from 22k). I'll answer "SINGLE BOOT?" as I believe so. I do NOT do any form of DUAL-BOOT. The machine boots to its' "known" OS; which I assume to be WinXPpro. Yada-Yada. You wizards do so much that I do not yet comprehend. I live with my chosen weaknesses. Happy St. Patty's Day! HTH. Duncan On 03/17/2010 18:47, Rick Glazier wrote: Was it a standard install on the first partition of the first HD? AND SINGLE BOOT? Note mine are "enhanced" single boot... It lets me use this as *another* Windows boot menu (of sorts). They seem to be almost the same unless you got real fancy with the install. If you want mine, I'll send it to you now: Copy and paste _between_ the lines, note it has a trailing blank line. (I think it needs it...) (Don't copy the dotted line.) -- [boot loader] timeout=3 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Safe Mode XP-ProSP3" /safeboot:minimal /sos /bootlog -- I would use a "Live CD" of any kind to drop the file in the root of what would be "C" in a normal boot. I like BartPE CD, but any flavor of Linux would work as well. If you have more HDs with no OSs on them they can be ignored in the above file. Rick Glazier "DSinc" - Killed an Old Machine!<<< (Not if that is all you did...) Should I be stupid enough to DELETE a 'boot.ini' file on an XPpro machine,.. ...do I have a chance of getting this machine back? Can I use a Repair Install to fix this stupid USER error? This is not cardiac arrest. This is a very old and "dying" machine I forced to WinXP. This is an Asus CUBX m/b (512MB). This is an Intel P-3 800Mhz machine. This is a machine that has been flakey for about 6 months! This is a machine that does not like to 'Shut Down.' I can totally loose all of the DATA on this machine! I backed this machine up 2 days ago using my M$ backup logic. Opinions welcome. Viking Funeral is in the plan... (I get a Lian-Li case for a new toy!) Best, Duncan
Re: [H] Killed an Old Machine!
Tnx FORC5, I'll give that link a view. Just freaked into "2MuchFun..." More reading. Duncan On 03/17/2010 18:27, FORC5 wrote: off the top of my head forget the commands but is possible to rebuild the boot.ini from a repair console when u boot to the install disk, lot easier then a repair install. http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000648.htm hohoho At 03:21 PM 3/17/2010, DSinc Poked the stick with: Should I be stupid enough to DELETE a 'boot.ini' file on an XPpro machine,.. ...do I have a chance of getting this machine back? Can I use a Repair Install to fix this stupid USER error? This is not cardiac arrest. This is a very old and "dying" machine I forced to WinXP. This is an Asus CUBX m/b (512MB). This is an Intel P-3 800Mhz machine. This is a machine that has been flakey for about 6 months! This is a machine that does not like to 'Shut Down.' I can totally loose all of the DATA on this machine! I backed this machine up 2 days ago using my M$ backup logic. Opinions welcome. Viking Funeral is in the plan... (I get a Lian-Li case for a new toy!) Best, Duncan
Re: [H] Killed an Old Machine!
Or grab one off another machine and look at the structure and make any drive or partition adjustments before copying to the dead box using a boot disk or bootcd lopaka From: FORC5 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 2:27:52 PM Subject: Re: [H] Killed an Old Machine! off the top of my head forget the commands but is possible to rebuild the boot.ini from a repair console when u boot to the install disk, lot easier then a repair install. http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000648.htm hohoho At 03:21 PM 3/17/2010, DSinc Poked the stick with: >Should I be stupid enough to DELETE a 'boot.ini' file on an XPpro >machine,.. >...do I have a chance of getting this machine back? > >Can I use a Repair Install to fix this stupid USER error? > >This is not cardiac arrest. >This is a very old and "dying" machine I forced to WinXP. >This is an Asus CUBX m/b (512MB). >This is an Intel P-3 800Mhz machine. >This is a machine that has been flakey for about 6 months! >This is a machine that does not like to 'Shut Down.' > >I can totally loose all of the DATA on this machine! I backed this >machine up 2 days ago using my M$ backup logic. > >Opinions welcome. >Viking Funeral is in the plan... >(I get a Lian-Li case for a new toy!) >Best, >Duncan -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Is a hippie haircut an example of the lunatic fringe?
Re: [H] Killed an Old Machine!
Was it a standard install on the first partition of the first HD? AND SINGLE BOOT? Note mine are "enhanced" single boot... It lets me use this as *another* Windows boot menu (of sorts). They seem to be almost the same unless you got real fancy with the install. If you want mine, I'll send it to you now: Copy and paste _between_ the lines, note it has a trailing blank line. (I think it needs it...) (Don't copy the dotted line.) -- [boot loader] timeout=3 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Safe Mode XP-ProSP3" /safeboot:minimal /sos /bootlog -- I would use a "Live CD" of any kind to drop the file in the root of what would be "C" in a normal boot. I like BartPE CD, but any flavor of Linux would work as well. If you have more HDs with no OSs on them they can be ignored in the above file. Rick Glazier "DSinc" - Killed an Old Machine!<<< (Not if that is all you did...) Should I be stupid enough to DELETE a 'boot.ini' file on an XPpro machine,.. ...do I have a chance of getting this machine back? Can I use a Repair Install to fix this stupid USER error? This is not cardiac arrest. This is a very old and "dying" machine I forced to WinXP. This is an Asus CUBX m/b (512MB). This is an Intel P-3 800Mhz machine. This is a machine that has been flakey for about 6 months! This is a machine that does not like to 'Shut Down.' I can totally loose all of the DATA on this machine! I backed this machine up 2 days ago using my M$ backup logic. Opinions welcome. Viking Funeral is in the plan... (I get a Lian-Li case for a new toy!) Best, Duncan
Re: [H] Killed an Old Machine!
DSinc wrote: > Opinions welcome. > Viking Funeral is in the plan... Pics are required. :-D regards, al
Re: [H] Killed an Old Machine!
off the top of my head forget the commands but is possible to rebuild the boot.ini from a repair console when u boot to the install disk, lot easier then a repair install. http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000648.htm hohoho At 03:21 PM 3/17/2010, DSinc Poked the stick with: Should I be stupid enough to DELETE a 'boot.ini' file on an XPpro machine,.. ...do I have a chance of getting this machine back? Can I use a Repair Install to fix this stupid USER error? This is not cardiac arrest. This is a very old and "dying" machine I forced to WinXP. This is an Asus CUBX m/b (512MB). This is an Intel P-3 800Mhz machine. This is a machine that has been flakey for about 6 months! This is a machine that does not like to 'Shut Down.' I can totally loose all of the DATA on this machine! I backed this machine up 2 days ago using my M$ backup logic. Opinions welcome. Viking Funeral is in the plan... (I get a Lian-Li case for a new toy!) Best, Duncan -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Is a hippie haircut an example of the lunatic fringe?
[H] Killed an Old Machine!
Should I be stupid enough to DELETE a 'boot.ini' file on an XPpro machine,.. ...do I have a chance of getting this machine back? Can I use a Repair Install to fix this stupid USER error? This is not cardiac arrest. This is a very old and "dying" machine I forced to WinXP. This is an Asus CUBX m/b (512MB). This is an Intel P-3 800Mhz machine. This is a machine that has been flakey for about 6 months! This is a machine that does not like to 'Shut Down.' I can totally loose all of the DATA on this machine! I backed this machine up 2 days ago using my M$ backup logic. Opinions welcome. Viking Funeral is in the plan... (I get a Lian-Li case for a new toy!) Best, Duncan
