Re: [H] SSD new Toolbox
It is a Gigabyte P35-DS4, Revision 2.0. It's a fairly old mobo, now. Award Bios F14, recently updated. Yeah, not much said about it. Pretty scary that one setting like this can render a system unbootable... At least Windows Backup Restore worked in this instance...it was truly lovely to be back up so quickly. Given that the SSD is only 160 GB, it actually makes sense to make a larger image, in this age of mutli-terrabyte drives. I just need to get the email folders off the boot drive. On 1/7/2010 9:45 PM, Rick Glazier wrote: Wow, scary was not stong enough a word in your case. At least you were ready for trouble. What MB, and/or whos BIOS? I think I've seen that setting in my new Intel MBs, but never looked it up... Is that something they need to explain better, or... Rick Glazier From: Anthony Q. Martin boy... I got my butt burned on this one. I went into the bios and enabled RAID/AHCI, picking only AHCI. Well, after doing that I could no longer get the system to boot. Could not repair. Had to restore the fresh image I made this morning. Only had Win764, updates, Firefox, AVG, Acrobat Reader, Windows Live in that image. However, one smart thing I did is was to move all of my C:\Users\Anthony data folders over to the D: drive. I had copied all of my backed up data (which it took me days to get backed up) back to it earlier today. That took hours. Fortunately, aFter I restored the image that had the user files moved over to the SSD, when I got booted up again all my stuff was in the right place. No more coping needed as everything on the D drive was still here and the image restore pointed to all the right places. So I reinstalled Thunderbird and copied all my email folders back (I still need to move the data folder off the C drive to simplify this part). Now to install a few more apps and I'll be fully back to where I was. Big plus to making a small image and keeping your data on a separate partition. Saves major time. On 1/7/2010 3:24 PM, Rick Glazier wrote: I don't have them. I'd Google Microsoft AHCI storage driver unless that is what your last line said. Some of the older hits (into the Intel site)on the subject are a little scary. (Seems like it was a VERY rocky road in Nov 2009...) Seems like you really don't want old hardware? or old support. Rick Glazier From: Anthony Q. Martin I was reading the white paper on Intel's SSD Optimizer. IN there it says that if you're using Windows 7 and Microsoft AHCI storage driver, then the OS will contain native support support to excute the ATA Data set Management command on the Intel SSD and no user interaction is required. However, if you're using Intel Matrix Storage manager with Win7, then you do need the tools. Now, I never installed any Matrix Storage manager...and I can't see evidence of it on the device manager. So, am I good? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.129/2606 - Release Date: 01/07/10 14:35:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.129/2606 - Release Date: 01/07/10 14:35:00
Re: [H] SSD new Toolbox
Yes. In general, you cannot swap freely between AHCI and IDE/ATA modes, as this can result in a no-boot situation. You can usually just swap it back and be back up and running, though. Interestingly, I have had machines (notably, our fleet of Dell Latitude D630's and E6400's under Vista and W7) where I COULD freely swap between the two--not sure what the difference is. There are some steps you can take to make the change without reinstalling the OS. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:29 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD new Toolbox It is a Gigabyte P35-DS4, Revision 2.0. It's a fairly old mobo, now. Award Bios F14, recently updated. Yeah, not much said about it. Pretty scary that one setting like this can render a system unbootable... At least Windows Backup Restore worked in this instance...it was truly lovely to be back up so quickly.
Re: [H] SSD new Toolbox
Greg, Where might I look to find those steps. And, it there a real advantage to doing the switch to AHCI? Thanks. On 1/8/2010 8:42 AM, Greg Sevart wrote: Yes. In general, you cannot swap freely between AHCI and IDE/ATA modes, as this can result in a no-boot situation. You can usually just swap it back and be back up and running, though. Interestingly, I have had machines (notably, our fleet of Dell Latitude D630's and E6400's under Vista and W7) where I COULD freely swap between the two--not sure what the difference is. There are some steps you can take to make the change without reinstalling the OS. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:29 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD new Toolbox It is a Gigabyte P35-DS4, Revision 2.0. It's a fairly old mobo, now. Award Bios F14, recently updated. Yeah, not much said about it. Pretty scary that one setting like this can render a system unbootable... At least Windows Backup Restore worked in this instance...it was truly lovely to be back up so quickly. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.129/2606 - Release Date: 01/07/10 14:35:00
Re: [H] SSD new Toolbox
Greg, Thank you for this share. I too ran into this AHCI/IDE-ATA business when I upgraded to my current clutch of Asus P5Q3 Intel P45/ICH10R m/b's. I read the booklet; thought I understood it, and, tried AHCI. Did not work; or, I did not know/do all the full preliminaries properly. I got NOBOOT using WinXPsp3. I freaked! I managed to reset my bios and all has been superb since. I have never gone back to try AHCI again. Once burnt, twice shy! Now that I've followed the SSD thread, I am even more scared to try them on my current hi-tech machines. :) But, I am really amazed at the G2 SSD's performance. The future looks very bright again. Best, Duncan On 01/08/2010 08:42, Greg Sevart wrote: Yes. In general, you cannot swap freely between AHCI and IDE/ATA modes, as this can result in a no-boot situation. You can usually just swap it back and be back up and running, though. Interestingly, I have had machines (notably, our fleet of Dell Latitude D630's and E6400's under Vista and W7) where I COULD freely swap between the two--not sure what the difference is. There are some steps you can take to make the change without reinstalling the OS. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:29 AM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] SSD new Toolbox It is a Gigabyte P35-DS4, Revision 2.0. It's a fairly old mobo, now. Award Bios F14, recently updated. Yeah, not much said about it. Pretty scary that one setting like this can render a system unbootable... At least Windows Backup Restore worked in this instance...it was truly lovely to be back up so quickly.
Re: [H] SSD new Toolbox
It is things like this that make me gun-shy about sending people into the BIOS anymore... (Plus, they are ALL so different anymore...) Especially on the lists I'm on where they ask: what does OS and/or MB mean... grin I thought it was at least fairly safe here. (Sorry.) Glad I never tried that setting. (wow) (DSinc, sorry for your loss, but at least I was not involved, grin) We need to go out and make sure they (the SSD people) spread the word! Rick Glazier From: Anthony Q. Martin It is a Gigabyte P35-DS4, Revision 2.0. It's a fairly old mobo, now. Award Bios F14, recently updated. Yeah, not much said about it. Pretty scary that one setting like this can render a system unbootable...
Re: [H] SSD new Toolbox
Please don't feel bad on my account. I'm a big boy...I knew what could potentially happen...that's why I had a back up. I don't believe in holding other responsible for what I do anyway. Besides, I got back up in record time and learned some stuff (like, dont' trust Win7 Backup And Restore when it tells you it will let you have multiple images on a nearly empty discit lies and will delete your prior image). But now my new image is 21GB (and has most of my day-to-day bread and butter apps built in with all apps pointing to data on a separate drive. I can nuke the SSD now and be back to working strength in less than 30 minutes! It would be nice of the BIOS had some decent documentation, though. Most of them just aren't clear. On 1/8/2010 1:09 PM, Rick Glazier wrote: It is things like this that make me gun-shy about sending people into the BIOS anymore... (Plus, they are ALL so different anymore...) Especially on the lists I'm on where they ask: what does OS and/or MB mean... grin I thought it was at least fairly safe here. (Sorry.) Glad I never tried that setting. (wow) (DSinc, sorry for your loss, but at least I was not involved, grin) We need to go out and make sure they (the SSD people) spread the word! Rick Glazier From: Anthony Q. Martin It is a Gigabyte P35-DS4, Revision 2.0. It's a fairly old mobo, now. Award Bios F14, recently updated. Yeah, not much said about it. Pretty scary that one setting like this can render a system unbootable... No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.128/2604 - Release Date: 01/06/10 14:35:00
Re: [H] SSD new Toolbox
Rick, I completely agree. BIOS now is really very scary. Now, for me, what is is what is. Just, because I just do not understand all the stuff I now see. But, I am learning and still tweaking! Best, Duncan On 01/08/2010 13:09, Rick Glazier wrote: It is things like this that make me gun-shy about sending people into the BIOS anymore... (Plus, they are ALL so different anymore...) Especially on the lists I'm on where they ask: what does OS and/or MB mean... grin I thought it was at least fairly safe here. (Sorry.) Glad I never tried that setting. (wow) (DSinc, sorry for your loss, but at least I was not involved, grin) We need to go out and make sure they (the SSD people) spread the word! Rick Glazier From: Anthony Q. Martin It is a Gigabyte P35-DS4, Revision 2.0. It's a fairly old mobo, now. Award Bios F14, recently updated. Yeah, not much said about it. Pretty scary that one setting like this can render a system unbootable...
Re: [H] SSD new Toolbox
Anthony, You have just hit my long term grumble (back to the 90's). rant ON For way too many years BIOS writers/owners have presented their product to us without proper documentation. Mostly because WE can NOT comprehend all the complexities of what they do. As a minority, and, stoopid user, I say, BullShit! If BIOS was easier to negotiate and deal with, I think many m/b failures would never happen. rant off Best, Duncan On 01/08/2010 13:32, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Please don't feel bad on my account. I'm a big boy...I knew what could potentially happen...that's why I had a back up. I don't believe in holding other responsible for what I do anyway. Besides, I got back up in record time and learned some stuff (like, dont' trust Win7 Backup And Restore when it tells you it will let you have multiple images on a nearly empty discit lies and will delete your prior image). But now my new image is 21GB (and has most of my day-to-day bread and butter apps built in with all apps pointing to data on a separate drive. I can nuke the SSD now and be back to working strength in less than 30 minutes! It would be nice of the BIOS had some decent documentation, though. Most of them just aren't clear. On 1/8/2010 1:09 PM, Rick Glazier wrote: It is things like this that make me gun-shy about sending people into the BIOS anymore... (Plus, they are ALL so different anymore...) Especially on the lists I'm on where they ask: what does OS and/or MB mean... grin I thought it was at least fairly safe here. (Sorry.) Glad I never tried that setting. (wow) (DSinc, sorry for your loss, but at least I was not involved, grin) We need to go out and make sure they (the SSD people) spread the word! Rick Glazier From: Anthony Q. Martin It is a Gigabyte P35-DS4, Revision 2.0. It's a fairly old mobo, now. Award Bios F14, recently updated. Yeah, not much said about it. Pretty scary that one setting like this can render a system unbootable... No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.128/2604 - Release Date: 01/06/10 14:35:00
Re: [H] SSD new Toolbox
Rant On, Duncan! On 1/8/2010 3:07 PM, DSinc wrote: Anthony, You have just hit my long term grumble (back to the 90's). rant ON For way too many years BIOS writers/owners have presented their product to us without proper documentation. Mostly because WE can NOT comprehend all the complexities of what they do. As a minority, and, stoopid user, I say, BullShit! If BIOS was easier to negotiate and deal with, I think many m/b failures would never happen. rant off Best, Duncan On 01/08/2010 13:32, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Please don't feel bad on my account. I'm a big boy...I knew what could potentially happen...that's why I had a back up. I don't believe in holding other responsible for what I do anyway. Besides, I got back up in record time and learned some stuff (like, dont' trust Win7 Backup And Restore when it tells you it will let you have multiple images on a nearly empty discit lies and will delete your prior image). But now my new image is 21GB (and has most of my day-to-day bread and butter apps built in with all apps pointing to data on a separate drive. I can nuke the SSD now and be back to working strength in less than 30 minutes! It would be nice of the BIOS had some decent documentation, though. Most of them just aren't clear. On 1/8/2010 1:09 PM, Rick Glazier wrote: It is things like this that make me gun-shy about sending people into the BIOS anymore... (Plus, they are ALL so different anymore...) Especially on the lists I'm on where they ask: what does OS and/or MB mean... grin I thought it was at least fairly safe here. (Sorry.) Glad I never tried that setting. (wow) (DSinc, sorry for your loss, but at least I was not involved, grin) We need to go out and make sure they (the SSD people) spread the word! Rick Glazier From: Anthony Q. Martin It is a Gigabyte P35-DS4, Revision 2.0. It's a fairly old mobo, now. Award Bios F14, recently updated. Yeah, not much said about it. Pretty scary that one setting like this can render a system unbootable... No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.128/2604 - Release Date: 01/06/10 14:35:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.128/2604 - Release Date: 01/06/10 14:35:00
Re: [H] SSD new Toolbox
I upgraded my drive a week or so ago. Unless I'm mistaken, the specs increased quite a bit with this upgrade. The important write spec in particular. On 1/6/2010 1:43 PM, Rick Glazier wrote: Some of you may not get this notification from Intel. It came in the last several minutes. (I think we discussed it here very recently.) The new Intel® SSD Toolbox (version 1.2) and SSD Toolbox Users Guide are now available for download at www.intel.com/go/ssdtoolbox We encourage you to take advantage of this free download to monitor and tune the performance of your Intel® Solid State Drive. Also: http://www.intel.com/support/ssdc/hpssd/sb/CS-030992.htm Rick Glazier
Re: [H] SSD new Toolbox
I was reading the white paper on Intel's SSD Optimizer. IN there it says that if you're using Windows 7 and Microsoft AHCI storage driver, then the OS will contain native support support to excute the ATA Data set Management command on the Intel SSD and no user interaction is required. However, if you're using Intel Matrix Storage manager with Win7, then you do need the tools. Now, I never installed any Matrix Storage manager...and I can't see evidence of it on the device manager. So, am I good? On 1/6/2010 1:43 PM, Rick Glazier wrote: Some of you may not get this notification from Intel. It came in the last several minutes. (I think we discussed it here very recently.) The new Intel® SSD Toolbox (version 1.2) and SSD Toolbox Users Guide are now available for download at www.intel.com/go/ssdtoolbox We encourage you to take advantage of this free download to monitor and tune the performance of your Intel® Solid State Drive. Also: http://www.intel.com/support/ssdc/hpssd/sb/CS-030992.htm Rick Glazier
Re: [H] SSD new Toolbox
I don't have them. I'd Google Microsoft AHCI storage driver unless that is what your last line said. Some of the older hits (into the Intel site)on the subject are a little scary. (Seems like it was a VERY rocky road in Nov 2009...) Seems like you really don't want old hardware? or old support. Rick Glazier From: Anthony Q. Martin I was reading the white paper on Intel's SSD Optimizer. IN there it says that if you're using Windows 7 and Microsoft AHCI storage driver, then the OS will contain native support support to excute the ATA Data set Management command on the Intel SSD and no user interaction is required. However, if you're using Intel Matrix Storage manager with Win7, then you do need the tools. Now, I never installed any Matrix Storage manager...and I can't see evidence of it on the device manager. So, am I good?
Re: [H] SSD new Toolbox
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Host_Controller_Interface http://www.intel.com/technology/serialata/ahci.htm Looks as if it needs to be enabled in the mobo Bios. On 1/7/2010 3:24 PM, Rick Glazier wrote: I don't have them. I'd Google Microsoft AHCI storage driver unless that is what your last line said. Some of the older hits (into the Intel site)on the subject are a little scary. (Seems like it was a VERY rocky road in Nov 2009...) Seems like you really don't want old hardware? or old support. Rick Glazier From: Anthony Q. Martin I was reading the white paper on Intel's SSD Optimizer. IN there it says that if you're using Windows 7 and Microsoft AHCI storage driver, then the OS will contain native support support to excute the ATA Data set Management command on the Intel SSD and no user interaction is required. However, if you're using Intel Matrix Storage manager with Win7, then you do need the tools. Now, I never installed any Matrix Storage manager...and I can't see evidence of it on the device manager. So, am I good? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.129/2605 - Release Date: 01/07/10 02:35:00
Re: [H] SSD new Toolbox
boy... I got my butt burned on this one. I went into the bios and enabled RAID/AHCI, picking only AHCI. Well, after doing that I could no longer get the system to boot. Could not repair. Had to restore the fresh image I made this morning. Only had Win764, updates, Firefox, AVG, Acrobat Reader, Windows Live in that image. However, one smart thing I did is was to move all of my C:\Users\Anthony data folders over to the D: drive. I had copied all of my backed up data (which it took me days to get backed up) back to it earlier today. That took hours. Fortunately, aFter I restored the image that had the user files moved over to the SSD, when I got booted up again all my stuff was in the right place. No more coping needed as everything on the D drive was still here and the image restore pointed to all the right places. So I reinstalled Thunderbird and copied all my email folders back (I still need to move the data folder off the C drive to simplify this part). Now to install a few more apps and I'll be fully back to where I was. Big plus to making a small image and keeping your data on a separate partition. Saves major time. On 1/7/2010 3:24 PM, Rick Glazier wrote: I don't have them. I'd Google Microsoft AHCI storage driver unless that is what your last line said. Some of the older hits (into the Intel site)on the subject are a little scary. (Seems like it was a VERY rocky road in Nov 2009...) Seems like you really don't want old hardware? or old support. Rick Glazier From: Anthony Q. Martin I was reading the white paper on Intel's SSD Optimizer. IN there it says that if you're using Windows 7 and Microsoft AHCI storage driver, then the OS will contain native support support to excute the ATA Data set Management command on the Intel SSD and no user interaction is required. However, if you're using Intel Matrix Storage manager with Win7, then you do need the tools. Now, I never installed any Matrix Storage manager...and I can't see evidence of it on the device manager. So, am I good? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.129/2606 - Release Date: 01/07/10 14:35:00
Re: [H] SSD new Toolbox
Wow, scary was not stong enough a word in your case. At least you were ready for trouble. What MB, and/or whos BIOS? I think I've seen that setting in my new Intel MBs, but never looked it up... Is that something they need to explain better, or... Rick Glazier From: Anthony Q. Martin boy... I got my butt burned on this one. I went into the bios and enabled RAID/AHCI, picking only AHCI. Well, after doing that I could no longer get the system to boot. Could not repair. Had to restore the fresh image I made this morning. Only had Win764, updates, Firefox, AVG, Acrobat Reader, Windows Live in that image. However, one smart thing I did is was to move all of my C:\Users\Anthony data folders over to the D: drive. I had copied all of my backed up data (which it took me days to get backed up) back to it earlier today. That took hours. Fortunately, aFter I restored the image that had the user files moved over to the SSD, when I got booted up again all my stuff was in the right place. No more coping needed as everything on the D drive was still here and the image restore pointed to all the right places. So I reinstalled Thunderbird and copied all my email folders back (I still need to move the data folder off the C drive to simplify this part). Now to install a few more apps and I'll be fully back to where I was. Big plus to making a small image and keeping your data on a separate partition. Saves major time. On 1/7/2010 3:24 PM, Rick Glazier wrote: I don't have them. I'd Google Microsoft AHCI storage driver unless that is what your last line said. Some of the older hits (into the Intel site)on the subject are a little scary. (Seems like it was a VERY rocky road in Nov 2009...) Seems like you really don't want old hardware? or old support. Rick Glazier From: Anthony Q. Martin I was reading the white paper on Intel's SSD Optimizer. IN there it says that if you're using Windows 7 and Microsoft AHCI storage driver, then the OS will contain native support support to excute the ATA Data set Management command on the Intel SSD and no user interaction is required. However, if you're using Intel Matrix Storage manager with Win7, then you do need the tools. Now, I never installed any Matrix Storage manager...and I can't see evidence of it on the device manager. So, am I good? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.129/2606 - Release Date: 01/07/10 14:35:00
[H] SSD new Toolbox
Some of you may not get this notification from Intel. It came in the last several minutes. (I think we discussed it here very recently.) The new Intel® SSD Toolbox (version 1.2) and SSD Toolbox Users Guide are now available for download at www.intel.com/go/ssdtoolbox We encourage you to take advantage of this free download to monitor and tune the performance of your Intel® Solid State Drive. Also: http://www.intel.com/support/ssdc/hpssd/sb/CS-030992.htm Rick Glazier
