Re: [H] Universal remotes?
Yes, that is the site. I've not recently looked at what current remotes still sport a JP1 connector, the forums should have a list. Beyond the cable that you can build or buy, the software is totally free. http://controlremote.sourceforge.net/ A similar project exists for Harmony though it's really lacking so far. When they make some real progress I see the cheap Harmony as a great successor to my aging Radio Shack remote. DSinc wrote: j., So, I've gone an googled JP1 and I have found the www.hifi-remote.com site, www.uei.com site, and www.oneforall.com site. The Kameleon choices look nice so far. Even dl'd a spreadsheet that lists choices that are JP1 tweakable. Interesting. Am I looking at what you speak of? Best, Duncan a maccrawj wrote: Name a $100 that offers features like Harmony! Up to now only hacking JP1 remote interfaces which exist on remotes at the whim of OFA who does not want customers using them have been alternative to expensive Pronto type remotes. In fact It's getting hard to find them. Harmony on the other hand is marketed as programmable yet is hamstrung by the software. You miss the point much? spreadsheet as in direct entry of buttons vs. GUI menus as an OPTION has no argument against it. Between customers like you scoffing at advanced features and fear that luddites will screw up the remote doing advanced features is why we're getting a dumbed down interface on an otherwise great piece of hardware. Don't paraphrase that into something else. Whatever, disdain, yes because in every post you've essentially flipped me of as a whiner who should just use plenty of other remotes which don't exist and state I should move on from Harmony (to what?) rather than being vocal about the limits. Anthony Q. Martin wrote: who said I think you're making anything up? I said that your points don't matter to me and I told you why. Your response indicate a disdain for those who disagree with you. There are plenty of remotes on the market and you can easily get one which suits your needs. Going around calling others Luddites because they don't wish to use a spreadsheet to program remotes is just stupid. maccrawj wrote: I'm not whining you're just not accepting that I have valid points. You think I sit around making this shit up for fun? This is 10 years of my experience with remotes, yours clearly differs. Could care less if that fact didn't lessen my choices of features I need. If you do think I make this shit up, don't bother saying so because you know my response to that. Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Dude...why don't you quit whining just because you want to live in remote code hell doesn't mean the rest of us want or need to...if you don't like the Harmony move on
Re: [H] Universal remotes?
j., So, I've gone an googled JP1 and I have found the www.hifi-remote.com site, www.uei.com site, and www.oneforall.com site. The Kameleon choices look nice so far. Even dl'd a spreadsheet that lists choices that are JP1 tweakable. Interesting. Am I looking at what you speak of? Best, Duncan maccrawj wrote: Name a $100 that offers features like Harmony! Up to now only hacking JP1 remote interfaces which exist on remotes at the whim of OFA who does not want customers using them have been alternative to expensive Pronto type remotes. In fact It's getting hard to find them. Harmony on the other hand is marketed as programmable yet is hamstrung by the software. You miss the point much? spreadsheet as in direct entry of buttons vs. GUI menus as an OPTION has no argument against it. Between customers like you scoffing at advanced features and fear that luddites will screw up the remote doing advanced features is why we're getting a dumbed down interface on an otherwise great piece of hardware. Don't paraphrase that into something else. Whatever, disdain, yes because in every post you've essentially flipped me of as a whiner who should just use plenty of other remotes which don't exist and state I should move on from Harmony (to what?) rather than being vocal about the limits. Anthony Q. Martin wrote: who said I think you're making anything up? I said that your points don't matter to me and I told you why. Your response indicate a disdain for those who disagree with you. There are plenty of remotes on the market and you can easily get one which suits your needs. Going around calling others Luddites because they don't wish to use a spreadsheet to program remotes is just stupid. maccrawj wrote: I'm not whining you're just not accepting that I have valid points. You think I sit around making this shit up for fun? This is 10 years of my experience with remotes, yours clearly differs. Could care less if that fact didn't lessen my choices of features I need. If you do think I make this shit up, don't bother saying so because you know my response to that. Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Dude...why don't you quit whining just because you want to live in remote code hell doesn't mean the rest of us want or need to...if you don't like the Harmony move on
Re: [H] Universal remotes?
who said I think you're making anything up? I said that your points don't matter to me and I told you why. Your response indicate a disdain for those who disagree with you. There are plenty of remotes on the market and you can easily get one which suits your needs. Going around calling others Luddites because they don't wish to use a spreadsheet to program remotes is just stupid. maccrawj wrote: I'm not whining you're just not accepting that I have valid points. You think I sit around making this shit up for fun? This is 10 years of my experience with remotes, yours clearly differs. Could care less if that fact didn't lessen my choices of features I need. If you do think I make this shit up, don't bother saying so because you know my response to that. Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Dude...why don't you quit whining just because you want to live in remote code hell doesn't mean the rest of us want or need to...if you don't like the Harmony move on maccrawj wrote: This assumes you a. have the remote, b. the function is on that remote. Lot's of descreet codes ARE NOT on remotes, others there's multiple definitions of the same button code depending on the device it's used with, and many have not made it into the Logitech DB because there is no button on anyones remote that generates them. You're happy great, problem is there are reasons for more control and they're not getting serviced because people like you say it aint broke. Meanwhile the rest of us have been doing this since before Harmony, gained great functionality flexibility only to have a luddite targeted device come along and deliver 80% of the same functionality when it could do 100% with nothing additional beyond removing artificial barriers assumptions. I did not have to fiddle to get my stuff to work on a JP1 remote. I did have to lookup the base info button code values, but then all I did was type them in exactly where *I* wanted them on a spreadsheet upload. By comparison I have to assume a given code is what is says it is and deal with a GUI hosted on a website to get that code mapped to a button. Both are easy, the later could be the same if they'd just give an option for advanced setup. Anthony Q. Martin wrote: None of these reasons impacts me in the least little bit. It took all of 30 minutes to set my Harmony One up for control my stuff and free me from constant remote hell. If I never need something in particular not on the user-community provided menus I can grab the device remote. I have plenty of better things to do than spent my time fiddling with codes and macros. maccrawj wrote: Suggestion: Run away from Harmony! When Logitech bought them out they removed all advanced direct access to the remotes programming code. End result is you are at their mercy when it comes to getting codes that don't exist in their community support database (read: added by other endlusers by ir learning interpreted by logitech) add short of ir learning or calling TS to add a pronto code. Top ten reasons why Harmony sucks: 10. Not all codes in DB many don't match their labeled function. 9. No user exposed Pronto Code support, so Code not in DB no original remote = frakked, call TS beg them to add by PC. 8. Painstaking PITA activity based system vs. simple devices macros. 7. No real macro support. 6. Slow as molasses doing batches of commands that starting/stopping activities issue. 5. *one* **online** copy of configured remote, no revisions or backups. 4. Programming client is a disguised Gecko web browser, leading to various issues: 5min idle timeout w/o warning, 1990's era HTML forms/buttons vs. Web 2.0, poor process flow, tedious button/device management, internet needed to program, etc... 3. Arbitrary limitations on what buttons can be assigned device functions like sound + buttons only being usable for display audio device, not the device serving them the signal; this despite being able to assign those under device mode setup which you loose in activity mode. 2. Zero interest on Logitech's part to address valid user issues with interface, function, and ability to offline program; A forum base of volunteer kool-aid drinkers with their finger poised on the ban button for dissenters. 1. Expensive rental since the programming software is 100% on their web server so they can switch to something new when it suits them leaving support in the dust like they did mkb+mice with itouch/mouseware. Sound angry? You bet, go read the forums before you drink the kool-aid! JP1 universals still offer way more flexibility direct access to solutions at a lower price point with open source programming software strong community support. For that matter real Pronto remotes are light years ahead in same price range as fancy Harmony's. To be fair I have the Costco marketed low-end 6xx model, about $50 that I am still struggling to like mostly because it has
Re: [H] Universal remotes?
Name a $100 that offers features like Harmony! Up to now only hacking JP1 remote interfaces which exist on remotes at the whim of OFA who does not want customers using them have been alternative to expensive Pronto type remotes. In fact It's getting hard to find them. Harmony on the other hand is marketed as programmable yet is hamstrung by the software. You miss the point much? spreadsheet as in direct entry of buttons vs. GUI menus as an OPTION has no argument against it. Between customers like you scoffing at advanced features and fear that luddites will screw up the remote doing advanced features is why we're getting a dumbed down interface on an otherwise great piece of hardware. Don't paraphrase that into something else. Whatever, disdain, yes because in every post you've essentially flipped me of as a whiner who should just use plenty of other remotes which don't exist and state I should move on from Harmony (to what?) rather than being vocal about the limits. Anthony Q. Martin wrote: who said I think you're making anything up? I said that your points don't matter to me and I told you why. Your response indicate a disdain for those who disagree with you. There are plenty of remotes on the market and you can easily get one which suits your needs. Going around calling others Luddites because they don't wish to use a spreadsheet to program remotes is just stupid. maccrawj wrote: I'm not whining you're just not accepting that I have valid points. You think I sit around making this shit up for fun? This is 10 years of my experience with remotes, yours clearly differs. Could care less if that fact didn't lessen my choices of features I need. If you do think I make this shit up, don't bother saying so because you know my response to that. Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Dude...why don't you quit whining just because you want to live in remote code hell doesn't mean the rest of us want or need to...if you don't like the Harmony move on
Re: [H] Universal remotes?
About Pronto CODE support which is STILL the standard by which many manufacturers release their remote codes for customers to use on replacement remotes. $50 one-for-all remotes $5 in parts still trump anything logitech has. All these blow-offs are because none of you have ever dealt with JP1 method of doing things. Being able to have the exact code needed w/o a remote or 3rd party source of cooked config data is always better way to go. Let me underscore reason #1, that means that when Logitech chooses to discontinue support you have NO way to reprogram the remote. You can lead a horse to water but you can't kick 'em in the ass get the point. Bino Gopal wrote: Duncan, I can't say for sure but there should be no reason to get a Pronto or anything that expensive; and a lot of maccrawj's complaints seemed to be about the Pronto specifically (please correct me if I'm wrong), and that's the old tech; even the 1000 is a bit old now. Anyway, the Harmony One (~$250; online it was $175 from Amazon and I got Best Buy to price match that; YMMV) should do everything you need and at that price point is very attractive. There are lesser Harmonys out there that could also work fine too; any of those should do you good. As Anthony said, it's easy to set up and you have better things to do than spend time fiddling with remote codes. Here's the link to the Harmony One on Amazon ($199 now): http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-Advanced-Universal-Remote/dp/B00119T6 NQ Read the reviews there; those should give you a good idea of what to expect too. HTH. BINO -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:50 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Universal remotes? OK. Perhaps I misunderstood. Is there some other choice between Pronto and Harmony? Yes, the Pronto is still very pricey to my view.. :) Duncan tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote: No, if your going to spend like that, grab a harmony 1000. At less then $500, nothing compares. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: DSinc dx7...@bellsouth.net Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 12:17:55 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Universal remotes? Understand S.A.F. I do not have this worry, but I am living with 6 remotes. Plus I have none of the modern conveniences and media channels that most on this list use. I still have yet to select an AV Rcvr. I get the impression that there are 2 strong camps here; Logitech Harmony and the older Pronto. Everything else is futz? Am I close? I do so recall years ago when Pronto was ~$1K. Hope it is cheaper now. Interesting thread. Thanks, Duncan tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote: Waf trumps everything, I completely agree. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Brian Weeden brian.wee...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:01:04 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Universal remotes? And the spousal value cannot be understated. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org Montreal Office +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.netwrote: None of these reasons impacts me in the least little bit. It took all of 30 minutes to set my Harmony One up for control my stuff and free me from constant remote hell. If I never need something in particular not on the user-community provided menus I can grab the device remote. I have plenty of better things to do than spent my time fiddling with codes and macros. maccrawj wrote: Suggestion: Run away from Harmony! When Logitech bought them out they removed all advanced direct access to the remotes programming code. End result is you are at their mercy when it comes to getting codes that don't exist in their community support database (read: added by other endlusers by ir learning interpreted by logitech) add short of ir learning or calling TS to add a pronto code. Top ten reasons why Harmony sucks: 10. Not all codes in DB many don't match their labeled function. 9. No user exposed Pronto Code support, so Code not in DB no original remote = frakked, call TS beg them to add by PC. 8. Painstaking PITA activity based system vs. simple devices macros. 7. No real macro support. 6. Slow as molasses doing batches of commands that starting/stopping activities issue. 5. *one* **online** copy of configured remote, no revisions or backups. 4. Programming client is a disguised Gecko web browser, leading to various issues: 5min idle timeout w/o warning, 1990's era HTML forms/buttons vs. Web 2.0, poor process flow, tedious button/device management, internet needed to program, etc... 3. Arbitrary limitations on what buttons can be assigned device functions like
Re: [H] Universal remotes?
Also for most any WinCE PDA if you can live with limited range IR output. tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote: Good software out there let's you use a blackberry or iphone as a remote. Decent. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: DSinc dx7...@bellsouth.net Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 00:18:57 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Universal remotes? Bino, Thanks for the shout. OK, I think I have it. Pronto is too expensive. Look at Harmony; except maccrawj does not care for Logitech. That is my read ATM. Some $$$ and personal bias bashing is going on. Fine. This I expect here. At this point I am frightened to do anything. I will continue with this thread Duncan Bino Gopal wrote: Duncan, I can't say for sure but there should be no reason to get a Pronto or anything that expensive; and a lot of maccrawj's complaints seemed to be about the Pronto specifically (please correct me if I'm wrong), and that's the old tech; even the 1000 is a bit old now. Anyway, the Harmony One (~$250; online it was $175 from Amazon and I got Best Buy to price match that; YMMV) should do everything you need and at that price point is very attractive. There are lesser Harmonys out there that could also work fine too; any of those should do you good. As Anthony said, it's easy to set up and you have better things to do than spend time fiddling with remote codes. Here's the link to the Harmony One on Amazon ($199 now): http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-Advanced-Universal-Remote/dp/B00119T6 NQ Read the reviews there; those should give you a good idea of what to expect too. HTH. BINO -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:50 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Universal remotes? OK. Perhaps I misunderstood. Is there some other choice between Pronto and Harmony? Yes, the Pronto is still very pricey to my view.. :) Duncan tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote: No, if your going to spend like that, grab a harmony 1000. At less then $500, nothing compares. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: DSinc dx7...@bellsouth.net Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 12:17:55 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Universal remotes? Understand S.A.F. I do not have this worry, but I am living with 6 remotes. Plus I have none of the modern conveniences and media channels that most on this list use. I still have yet to select an AV Rcvr. I get the impression that there are 2 strong camps here; Logitech Harmony and the older Pronto. Everything else is futz? Am I close? I do so recall years ago when Pronto was ~$1K. Hope it is cheaper now. Interesting thread. Thanks, Duncan tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote: Waf trumps everything, I completely agree. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Brian Weeden brian.wee...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:01:04 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Universal remotes? And the spousal value cannot be understated. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org Montreal Office +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.netwrote: None of these reasons impacts me in the least little bit. It took all of 30 minutes to set my Harmony One up for control my stuff and free me from constant remote hell. If I never need something in particular not on the user-community provided menus I can grab the device remote. I have plenty of better things to do than spent my time fiddling with codes and macros. maccrawj wrote: Suggestion: Run away from Harmony! When Logitech bought them out they removed all advanced direct access to the remotes programming code. End result is you are at their mercy when it comes to getting codes that don't exist in their community support database (read: added by other endlusers by ir learning interpreted by logitech) add short of ir learning or calling TS to add a pronto code. Top ten reasons why Harmony sucks: 10. Not all codes in DB many don't match their labeled function. 9. No user exposed Pronto Code support, so Code not in DB no original remote = frakked, call TS beg them to add by PC. 8. Painstaking PITA activity based system vs. simple devices macros. 7. No real macro support. 6. Slow as molasses doing batches of commands that starting/stopping activities issue. 5. *one* **online** copy of configured remote, no revisions or backups. 4. Programming client is a disguised Gecko web browser, leading to various issues: 5min idle timeout w/o warning, 1990's era HTML forms/buttons vs. Web 2.0, poor process flow, tedious button/device management, internet needed to program, etc... 3. Arbitrary limitations on what buttons can
Re: [H] Universal remotes?
This assumes you a. have the remote, b. the function is on that remote. Lot's of descreet codes ARE NOT on remotes, others there's multiple definitions of the same button code depending on the device it's used with, and many have not made it into the Logitech DB because there is no button on anyones remote that generates them. You're happy great, problem is there are reasons for more control and they're not getting serviced because people like you say it aint broke. Meanwhile the rest of us have been doing this since before Harmony, gained great functionality flexibility only to have a luddite targeted device come along and deliver 80% of the same functionality when it could do 100% with nothing additional beyond removing artificial barriers assumptions. I did not have to fiddle to get my stuff to work on a JP1 remote. I did have to lookup the base info button code values, but then all I did was type them in exactly where *I* wanted them on a spreadsheet upload. By comparison I have to assume a given code is what is says it is and deal with a GUI hosted on a website to get that code mapped to a button. Both are easy, the later could be the same if they'd just give an option for advanced setup. Anthony Q. Martin wrote: None of these reasons impacts me in the least little bit. It took all of 30 minutes to set my Harmony One up for control my stuff and free me from constant remote hell. If I never need something in particular not on the user-community provided menus I can grab the device remote. I have plenty of better things to do than spent my time fiddling with codes and macros. maccrawj wrote: Suggestion: Run away from Harmony! When Logitech bought them out they removed all advanced direct access to the remotes programming code. End result is you are at their mercy when it comes to getting codes that don't exist in their community support database (read: added by other endlusers by ir learning interpreted by logitech) add short of ir learning or calling TS to add a pronto code. Top ten reasons why Harmony sucks: 10. Not all codes in DB many don't match their labeled function. 9. No user exposed Pronto Code support, so Code not in DB no original remote = frakked, call TS beg them to add by PC. 8. Painstaking PITA activity based system vs. simple devices macros. 7. No real macro support. 6. Slow as molasses doing batches of commands that starting/stopping activities issue. 5. *one* **online** copy of configured remote, no revisions or backups. 4. Programming client is a disguised Gecko web browser, leading to various issues: 5min idle timeout w/o warning, 1990's era HTML forms/buttons vs. Web 2.0, poor process flow, tedious button/device management, internet needed to program, etc... 3. Arbitrary limitations on what buttons can be assigned device functions like sound + buttons only being usable for display audio device, not the device serving them the signal; this despite being able to assign those under device mode setup which you loose in activity mode. 2. Zero interest on Logitech's part to address valid user issues with interface, function, and ability to offline program; A forum base of volunteer kool-aid drinkers with their finger poised on the ban button for dissenters. 1. Expensive rental since the programming software is 100% on their web server so they can switch to something new when it suits them leaving support in the dust like they did mkb+mice with itouch/mouseware. Sound angry? You bet, go read the forums before you drink the kool-aid! JP1 universals still offer way more flexibility direct access to solutions at a lower price point with open source programming software strong community support. For that matter real Pronto remotes are light years ahead in same price range as fancy Harmony's. To be fair I have the Costco marketed low-end 6xx model, about $50 that I am still struggling to like mostly because it has a nice programmable 6 button LCD that my JP1 remote lacks. If the offline programming capable hacked open source softwares ever mature or Logitech wakes up, then I'd recommend it with slight reservation as it still can't have it's firmware functionality end-user extended like JP1's can. Sorry for long post but Logitech irks me on many levels! Bobby Heid wrote: Hey, I'm looking at getting a universal remote. What do you all like in the way of remotes? I was looking at the Logitech Harmony SST 659, 690, and 880 models. Any suggestions?
Re: [H] Universal remotes?
Dude...why don't you quit whining just because you want to live in remote code hell doesn't mean the rest of us want or need to...if you don't like the Harmony move on maccrawj wrote: This assumes you a. have the remote, b. the function is on that remote. Lot's of descreet codes ARE NOT on remotes, others there's multiple definitions of the same button code depending on the device it's used with, and many have not made it into the Logitech DB because there is no button on anyones remote that generates them. You're happy great, problem is there are reasons for more control and they're not getting serviced because people like you say it aint broke. Meanwhile the rest of us have been doing this since before Harmony, gained great functionality flexibility only to have a luddite targeted device come along and deliver 80% of the same functionality when it could do 100% with nothing additional beyond removing artificial barriers assumptions. I did not have to fiddle to get my stuff to work on a JP1 remote. I did have to lookup the base info button code values, but then all I did was type them in exactly where *I* wanted them on a spreadsheet upload. By comparison I have to assume a given code is what is says it is and deal with a GUI hosted on a website to get that code mapped to a button. Both are easy, the later could be the same if they'd just give an option for advanced setup. Anthony Q. Martin wrote: None of these reasons impacts me in the least little bit. It took all of 30 minutes to set my Harmony One up for control my stuff and free me from constant remote hell. If I never need something in particular not on the user-community provided menus I can grab the device remote. I have plenty of better things to do than spent my time fiddling with codes and macros. maccrawj wrote: Suggestion: Run away from Harmony! When Logitech bought them out they removed all advanced direct access to the remotes programming code. End result is you are at their mercy when it comes to getting codes that don't exist in their community support database (read: added by other endlusers by ir learning interpreted by logitech) add short of ir learning or calling TS to add a pronto code. Top ten reasons why Harmony sucks: 10. Not all codes in DB many don't match their labeled function. 9. No user exposed Pronto Code support, so Code not in DB no original remote = frakked, call TS beg them to add by PC. 8. Painstaking PITA activity based system vs. simple devices macros. 7. No real macro support. 6. Slow as molasses doing batches of commands that starting/stopping activities issue. 5. *one* **online** copy of configured remote, no revisions or backups. 4. Programming client is a disguised Gecko web browser, leading to various issues: 5min idle timeout w/o warning, 1990's era HTML forms/buttons vs. Web 2.0, poor process flow, tedious button/device management, internet needed to program, etc... 3. Arbitrary limitations on what buttons can be assigned device functions like sound + buttons only being usable for display audio device, not the device serving them the signal; this despite being able to assign those under device mode setup which you loose in activity mode. 2. Zero interest on Logitech's part to address valid user issues with interface, function, and ability to offline program; A forum base of volunteer kool-aid drinkers with their finger poised on the ban button for dissenters. 1. Expensive rental since the programming software is 100% on their web server so they can switch to something new when it suits them leaving support in the dust like they did mkb+mice with itouch/mouseware. Sound angry? You bet, go read the forums before you drink the kool-aid! JP1 universals still offer way more flexibility direct access to solutions at a lower price point with open source programming software strong community support. For that matter real Pronto remotes are light years ahead in same price range as fancy Harmony's. To be fair I have the Costco marketed low-end 6xx model, about $50 that I am still struggling to like mostly because it has a nice programmable 6 button LCD that my JP1 remote lacks. If the offline programming capable hacked open source softwares ever mature or Logitech wakes up, then I'd recommend it with slight reservation as it still can't have it's firmware functionality end-user extended like JP1's can. Sorry for long post but Logitech irks me on many levels! Bobby Heid wrote: Hey, I'm looking at getting a universal remote. What do you all like in the way of remotes? I was looking at the Logitech Harmony SST 659, 690, and 880 models. Any suggestions?
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I'm not whining you're just not accepting that I have valid points. You think I sit around making this shit up for fun? This is 10 years of my experience with remotes, yours clearly differs. Could care less if that fact didn't lessen my choices of features I need. If you do think I make this shit up, don't bother saying so because you know my response to that. Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Dude...why don't you quit whining just because you want to live in remote code hell doesn't mean the rest of us want or need to...if you don't like the Harmony move on maccrawj wrote: This assumes you a. have the remote, b. the function is on that remote. Lot's of descreet codes ARE NOT on remotes, others there's multiple definitions of the same button code depending on the device it's used with, and many have not made it into the Logitech DB because there is no button on anyones remote that generates them. You're happy great, problem is there are reasons for more control and they're not getting serviced because people like you say it aint broke. Meanwhile the rest of us have been doing this since before Harmony, gained great functionality flexibility only to have a luddite targeted device come along and deliver 80% of the same functionality when it could do 100% with nothing additional beyond removing artificial barriers assumptions. I did not have to fiddle to get my stuff to work on a JP1 remote. I did have to lookup the base info button code values, but then all I did was type them in exactly where *I* wanted them on a spreadsheet upload. By comparison I have to assume a given code is what is says it is and deal with a GUI hosted on a website to get that code mapped to a button. Both are easy, the later could be the same if they'd just give an option for advanced setup. Anthony Q. Martin wrote: None of these reasons impacts me in the least little bit. It took all of 30 minutes to set my Harmony One up for control my stuff and free me from constant remote hell. If I never need something in particular not on the user-community provided menus I can grab the device remote. I have plenty of better things to do than spent my time fiddling with codes and macros. maccrawj wrote: Suggestion: Run away from Harmony! When Logitech bought them out they removed all advanced direct access to the remotes programming code. End result is you are at their mercy when it comes to getting codes that don't exist in their community support database (read: added by other endlusers by ir learning interpreted by logitech) add short of ir learning or calling TS to add a pronto code. Top ten reasons why Harmony sucks: 10. Not all codes in DB many don't match their labeled function. 9. No user exposed Pronto Code support, so Code not in DB no original remote = frakked, call TS beg them to add by PC. 8. Painstaking PITA activity based system vs. simple devices macros. 7. No real macro support. 6. Slow as molasses doing batches of commands that starting/stopping activities issue. 5. *one* **online** copy of configured remote, no revisions or backups. 4. Programming client is a disguised Gecko web browser, leading to various issues: 5min idle timeout w/o warning, 1990's era HTML forms/buttons vs. Web 2.0, poor process flow, tedious button/device management, internet needed to program, etc... 3. Arbitrary limitations on what buttons can be assigned device functions like sound + buttons only being usable for display audio device, not the device serving them the signal; this despite being able to assign those under device mode setup which you loose in activity mode. 2. Zero interest on Logitech's part to address valid user issues with interface, function, and ability to offline program; A forum base of volunteer kool-aid drinkers with their finger poised on the ban button for dissenters. 1. Expensive rental since the programming software is 100% on their web server so they can switch to something new when it suits them leaving support in the dust like they did mkb+mice with itouch/mouseware. Sound angry? You bet, go read the forums before you drink the kool-aid! JP1 universals still offer way more flexibility direct access to solutions at a lower price point with open source programming software strong community support. For that matter real Pronto remotes are light years ahead in same price range as fancy Harmony's. To be fair I have the Costco marketed low-end 6xx model, about $50 that I am still struggling to like mostly because it has a nice programmable 6 button LCD that my JP1 remote lacks. If the offline programming capable hacked open source softwares ever mature or Logitech wakes up, then I'd recommend it with slight reservation as it still can't have it's firmware functionality end-user extended like JP1's can. Sorry for long post but Logitech irks me on many levels! Bobby Heid wrote: Hey, I'm looking at getting a
Re: [H] Universal remotes?
Suggestion: Run away from Harmony! When Logitech bought them out they removed all advanced direct access to the remotes programming code. End result is you are at their mercy when it comes to getting codes that don't exist in their community support database (read: added by other endlusers by ir learning interpreted by logitech) add short of ir learning or calling TS to add a pronto code. Top ten reasons why Harmony sucks: 10. Not all codes in DB many don't match their labeled function. 9. No user exposed Pronto Code support, so Code not in DB no original remote = frakked, call TS beg them to add by PC. 8. Painstaking PITA activity based system vs. simple devices macros. 7. No real macro support. 6. Slow as molasses doing batches of commands that starting/stopping activities issue. 5. *one* **online** copy of configured remote, no revisions or backups. 4. Programming client is a disguised Gecko web browser, leading to various issues: 5min idle timeout w/o warning, 1990's era HTML forms/buttons vs. Web 2.0, poor process flow, tedious button/device management, internet needed to program, etc... 3. Arbitrary limitations on what buttons can be assigned device functions like sound + buttons only being usable for display audio device, not the device serving them the signal; this despite being able to assign those under device mode setup which you loose in activity mode. 2. Zero interest on Logitech's part to address valid user issues with interface, function, and ability to offline program; A forum base of volunteer kool-aid drinkers with their finger poised on the ban button for dissenters. 1. Expensive rental since the programming software is 100% on their web server so they can switch to something new when it suits them leaving support in the dust like they did mkb+mice with itouch/mouseware. Sound angry? You bet, go read the forums before you drink the kool-aid! JP1 universals still offer way more flexibility direct access to solutions at a lower price point with open source programming software strong community support. For that matter real Pronto remotes are light years ahead in same price range as fancy Harmony's. To be fair I have the Costco marketed low-end 6xx model, about $50 that I am still struggling to like mostly because it has a nice programmable 6 button LCD that my JP1 remote lacks. If the offline programming capable hacked open source softwares ever mature or Logitech wakes up, then I'd recommend it with slight reservation as it still can't have it's firmware functionality end-user extended like JP1's can. Sorry for long post but Logitech irks me on many levels! Bobby Heid wrote: Hey, I'm looking at getting a universal remote. What do you all like in the way of remotes? I was looking at the Logitech Harmony SST 659, 690, and 880 models. Any suggestions?
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None of these reasons impacts me in the least little bit. It took all of 30 minutes to set my Harmony One up for control my stuff and free me from constant remote hell. If I never need something in particular not on the user-community provided menus I can grab the device remote. I have plenty of better things to do than spent my time fiddling with codes and macros. maccrawj wrote: Suggestion: Run away from Harmony! When Logitech bought them out they removed all advanced direct access to the remotes programming code. End result is you are at their mercy when it comes to getting codes that don't exist in their community support database (read: added by other endlusers by ir learning interpreted by logitech) add short of ir learning or calling TS to add a pronto code. Top ten reasons why Harmony sucks: 10. Not all codes in DB many don't match their labeled function. 9. No user exposed Pronto Code support, so Code not in DB no original remote = frakked, call TS beg them to add by PC. 8. Painstaking PITA activity based system vs. simple devices macros. 7. No real macro support. 6. Slow as molasses doing batches of commands that starting/stopping activities issue. 5. *one* **online** copy of configured remote, no revisions or backups. 4. Programming client is a disguised Gecko web browser, leading to various issues: 5min idle timeout w/o warning, 1990's era HTML forms/buttons vs. Web 2.0, poor process flow, tedious button/device management, internet needed to program, etc... 3. Arbitrary limitations on what buttons can be assigned device functions like sound + buttons only being usable for display audio device, not the device serving them the signal; this despite being able to assign those under device mode setup which you loose in activity mode. 2. Zero interest on Logitech's part to address valid user issues with interface, function, and ability to offline program; A forum base of volunteer kool-aid drinkers with their finger poised on the ban button for dissenters. 1. Expensive rental since the programming software is 100% on their web server so they can switch to something new when it suits them leaving support in the dust like they did mkb+mice with itouch/mouseware. Sound angry? You bet, go read the forums before you drink the kool-aid! JP1 universals still offer way more flexibility direct access to solutions at a lower price point with open source programming software strong community support. For that matter real Pronto remotes are light years ahead in same price range as fancy Harmony's. To be fair I have the Costco marketed low-end 6xx model, about $50 that I am still struggling to like mostly because it has a nice programmable 6 button LCD that my JP1 remote lacks. If the offline programming capable hacked open source softwares ever mature or Logitech wakes up, then I'd recommend it with slight reservation as it still can't have it's firmware functionality end-user extended like JP1's can. Sorry for long post but Logitech irks me on many levels! Bobby Heid wrote: Hey, I'm looking at getting a universal remote. What do you all like in the way of remotes? I was looking at the Logitech Harmony SST 659, 690, and 880 models. Any suggestions?
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And the spousal value cannot be understated. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org Montreal Office +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.netwrote: None of these reasons impacts me in the least little bit. It took all of 30 minutes to set my Harmony One up for control my stuff and free me from constant remote hell. If I never need something in particular not on the user-community provided menus I can grab the device remote. I have plenty of better things to do than spent my time fiddling with codes and macros. maccrawj wrote: Suggestion: Run away from Harmony! When Logitech bought them out they removed all advanced direct access to the remotes programming code. End result is you are at their mercy when it comes to getting codes that don't exist in their community support database (read: added by other endlusers by ir learning interpreted by logitech) add short of ir learning or calling TS to add a pronto code. Top ten reasons why Harmony sucks: 10. Not all codes in DB many don't match their labeled function. 9. No user exposed Pronto Code support, so Code not in DB no original remote = frakked, call TS beg them to add by PC. 8. Painstaking PITA activity based system vs. simple devices macros. 7. No real macro support. 6. Slow as molasses doing batches of commands that starting/stopping activities issue. 5. *one* **online** copy of configured remote, no revisions or backups. 4. Programming client is a disguised Gecko web browser, leading to various issues: 5min idle timeout w/o warning, 1990's era HTML forms/buttons vs. Web 2.0, poor process flow, tedious button/device management, internet needed to program, etc... 3. Arbitrary limitations on what buttons can be assigned device functions like sound + buttons only being usable for display audio device, not the device serving them the signal; this despite being able to assign those under device mode setup which you loose in activity mode. 2. Zero interest on Logitech's part to address valid user issues with interface, function, and ability to offline program; A forum base of volunteer kool-aid drinkers with their finger poised on the ban button for dissenters. 1. Expensive rental since the programming software is 100% on their web server so they can switch to something new when it suits them leaving support in the dust like they did mkb+mice with itouch/mouseware. Sound angry? You bet, go read the forums before you drink the kool-aid! JP1 universals still offer way more flexibility direct access to solutions at a lower price point with open source programming software strong community support. For that matter real Pronto remotes are light years ahead in same price range as fancy Harmony's. To be fair I have the Costco marketed low-end 6xx model, about $50 that I am still struggling to like mostly because it has a nice programmable 6 button LCD that my JP1 remote lacks. If the offline programming capable hacked open source softwares ever mature or Logitech wakes up, then I'd recommend it with slight reservation as it still can't have it's firmware functionality end-user extended like JP1's can. Sorry for long post but Logitech irks me on many levels! Bobby Heid wrote: Hey, I'm looking at getting a universal remote. What do you all like in the way of remotes? I was looking at the Logitech Harmony SST 659, 690, and 880 models. Any suggestions?
Re: [H] Universal remotes?
Waf trumps everything, I completely agree. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Brian Weeden brian.wee...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:01:04 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Universal remotes? And the spousal value cannot be understated. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org Montreal Office +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.netwrote: None of these reasons impacts me in the least little bit. It took all of 30 minutes to set my Harmony One up for control my stuff and free me from constant remote hell. If I never need something in particular not on the user-community provided menus I can grab the device remote. I have plenty of better things to do than spent my time fiddling with codes and macros. maccrawj wrote: Suggestion: Run away from Harmony! When Logitech bought them out they removed all advanced direct access to the remotes programming code. End result is you are at their mercy when it comes to getting codes that don't exist in their community support database (read: added by other endlusers by ir learning interpreted by logitech) add short of ir learning or calling TS to add a pronto code. Top ten reasons why Harmony sucks: 10. Not all codes in DB many don't match their labeled function. 9. No user exposed Pronto Code support, so Code not in DB no original remote = frakked, call TS beg them to add by PC. 8. Painstaking PITA activity based system vs. simple devices macros. 7. No real macro support. 6. Slow as molasses doing batches of commands that starting/stopping activities issue. 5. *one* **online** copy of configured remote, no revisions or backups. 4. Programming client is a disguised Gecko web browser, leading to various issues: 5min idle timeout w/o warning, 1990's era HTML forms/buttons vs. Web 2.0, poor process flow, tedious button/device management, internet needed to program, etc... 3. Arbitrary limitations on what buttons can be assigned device functions like sound + buttons only being usable for display audio device, not the device serving them the signal; this despite being able to assign those under device mode setup which you loose in activity mode. 2. Zero interest on Logitech's part to address valid user issues with interface, function, and ability to offline program; A forum base of volunteer kool-aid drinkers with their finger poised on the ban button for dissenters. 1. Expensive rental since the programming software is 100% on their web server so they can switch to something new when it suits them leaving support in the dust like they did mkb+mice with itouch/mouseware. Sound angry? You bet, go read the forums before you drink the kool-aid! JP1 universals still offer way more flexibility direct access to solutions at a lower price point with open source programming software strong community support. For that matter real Pronto remotes are light years ahead in same price range as fancy Harmony's. To be fair I have the Costco marketed low-end 6xx model, about $50 that I am still struggling to like mostly because it has a nice programmable 6 button LCD that my JP1 remote lacks. If the offline programming capable hacked open source softwares ever mature or Logitech wakes up, then I'd recommend it with slight reservation as it still can't have it's firmware functionality end-user extended like JP1's can. Sorry for long post but Logitech irks me on many levels! Bobby Heid wrote: Hey, I'm looking at getting a universal remote. What do you all like in the way of remotes? I was looking at the Logitech Harmony SST 659, 690, and 880 models. Any suggestions?
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Understand S.A.F. I do not have this worry, but I am living with 6 remotes. Plus I have none of the modern conveniences and media channels that most on this list use. I still have yet to select an AV Rcvr. I get the impression that there are 2 strong camps here; Logitech Harmony and the older Pronto. Everything else is futz? Am I close? I do so recall years ago when Pronto was ~$1K. Hope it is cheaper now. Interesting thread. Thanks, Duncan tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote: Waf trumps everything, I completely agree. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Brian Weeden brian.wee...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:01:04 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Universal remotes? And the spousal value cannot be understated. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org Montreal Office +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.netwrote: None of these reasons impacts me in the least little bit. It took all of 30 minutes to set my Harmony One up for control my stuff and free me from constant remote hell. If I never need something in particular not on the user-community provided menus I can grab the device remote. I have plenty of better things to do than spent my time fiddling with codes and macros. maccrawj wrote: Suggestion: Run away from Harmony! When Logitech bought them out they removed all advanced direct access to the remotes programming code. End result is you are at their mercy when it comes to getting codes that don't exist in their community support database (read: added by other endlusers by ir learning interpreted by logitech) add short of ir learning or calling TS to add a pronto code. Top ten reasons why Harmony sucks: 10. Not all codes in DB many don't match their labeled function. 9. No user exposed Pronto Code support, so Code not in DB no original remote = frakked, call TS beg them to add by PC. 8. Painstaking PITA activity based system vs. simple devices macros. 7. No real macro support. 6. Slow as molasses doing batches of commands that starting/stopping activities issue. 5. *one* **online** copy of configured remote, no revisions or backups. 4. Programming client is a disguised Gecko web browser, leading to various issues: 5min idle timeout w/o warning, 1990's era HTML forms/buttons vs. Web 2.0, poor process flow, tedious button/device management, internet needed to program, etc... 3. Arbitrary limitations on what buttons can be assigned device functions like sound + buttons only being usable for display audio device, not the device serving them the signal; this despite being able to assign those under device mode setup which you loose in activity mode. 2. Zero interest on Logitech's part to address valid user issues with interface, function, and ability to offline program; A forum base of volunteer kool-aid drinkers with their finger poised on the ban button for dissenters. 1. Expensive rental since the programming software is 100% on their web server so they can switch to something new when it suits them leaving support in the dust like they did mkb+mice with itouch/mouseware. Sound angry? You bet, go read the forums before you drink the kool-aid! JP1 universals still offer way more flexibility direct access to solutions at a lower price point with open source programming software strong community support. For that matter real Pronto remotes are light years ahead in same price range as fancy Harmony's. To be fair I have the Costco marketed low-end 6xx model, about $50 that I am still struggling to like mostly because it has a nice programmable 6 button LCD that my JP1 remote lacks. If the offline programming capable hacked open source softwares ever mature or Logitech wakes up, then I'd recommend it with slight reservation as it still can't have it's firmware functionality end-user extended like JP1's can. Sorry for long post but Logitech irks me on many levels! Bobby Heid wrote: Hey, I'm looking at getting a universal remote. What do you all like in the way of remotes? I was looking at the Logitech Harmony SST 659, 690, and 880 models. Any suggestions?
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No, if your going to spend like that, grab a harmony 1000. At less then $500, nothing compares. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: DSinc dx7...@bellsouth.net Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 12:17:55 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Universal remotes? Understand S.A.F. I do not have this worry, but I am living with 6 remotes. Plus I have none of the modern conveniences and media channels that most on this list use. I still have yet to select an AV Rcvr. I get the impression that there are 2 strong camps here; Logitech Harmony and the older Pronto. Everything else is futz? Am I close? I do so recall years ago when Pronto was ~$1K. Hope it is cheaper now. Interesting thread. Thanks, Duncan tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote: Waf trumps everything, I completely agree. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Brian Weeden brian.wee...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:01:04 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Universal remotes? And the spousal value cannot be understated. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org Montreal Office +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.netwrote: None of these reasons impacts me in the least little bit. It took all of 30 minutes to set my Harmony One up for control my stuff and free me from constant remote hell. If I never need something in particular not on the user-community provided menus I can grab the device remote. I have plenty of better things to do than spent my time fiddling with codes and macros. maccrawj wrote: Suggestion: Run away from Harmony! When Logitech bought them out they removed all advanced direct access to the remotes programming code. End result is you are at their mercy when it comes to getting codes that don't exist in their community support database (read: added by other endlusers by ir learning interpreted by logitech) add short of ir learning or calling TS to add a pronto code. Top ten reasons why Harmony sucks: 10. Not all codes in DB many don't match their labeled function. 9. No user exposed Pronto Code support, so Code not in DB no original remote = frakked, call TS beg them to add by PC. 8. Painstaking PITA activity based system vs. simple devices macros. 7. No real macro support. 6. Slow as molasses doing batches of commands that starting/stopping activities issue. 5. *one* **online** copy of configured remote, no revisions or backups. 4. Programming client is a disguised Gecko web browser, leading to various issues: 5min idle timeout w/o warning, 1990's era HTML forms/buttons vs. Web 2.0, poor process flow, tedious button/device management, internet needed to program, etc... 3. Arbitrary limitations on what buttons can be assigned device functions like sound + buttons only being usable for display audio device, not the device serving them the signal; this despite being able to assign those under device mode setup which you loose in activity mode. 2. Zero interest on Logitech's part to address valid user issues with interface, function, and ability to offline program; A forum base of volunteer kool-aid drinkers with their finger poised on the ban button for dissenters. 1. Expensive rental since the programming software is 100% on their web server so they can switch to something new when it suits them leaving support in the dust like they did mkb+mice with itouch/mouseware. Sound angry? You bet, go read the forums before you drink the kool-aid! JP1 universals still offer way more flexibility direct access to solutions at a lower price point with open source programming software strong community support. For that matter real Pronto remotes are light years ahead in same price range as fancy Harmony's. To be fair I have the Costco marketed low-end 6xx model, about $50 that I am still struggling to like mostly because it has a nice programmable 6 button LCD that my JP1 remote lacks. If the offline programming capable hacked open source softwares ever mature or Logitech wakes up, then I'd recommend it with slight reservation as it still can't have it's firmware functionality end-user extended like JP1's can. Sorry for long post but Logitech irks me on many levels! Bobby Heid wrote: Hey, I'm looking at getting a universal remote. What do you all like in the way of remotes? I was looking at the Logitech Harmony SST 659, 690, and 880 models. Any suggestions?
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OK. Perhaps I misunderstood. Is there some other choice between Pronto and Harmony? Yes, the Pronto is still very pricey to my view.. :) Duncan tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote: No, if your going to spend like that, grab a harmony 1000. At less then $500, nothing compares. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: DSinc dx7...@bellsouth.net Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 12:17:55 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Universal remotes? Understand S.A.F. I do not have this worry, but I am living with 6 remotes. Plus I have none of the modern conveniences and media channels that most on this list use. I still have yet to select an AV Rcvr. I get the impression that there are 2 strong camps here; Logitech Harmony and the older Pronto. Everything else is futz? Am I close? I do so recall years ago when Pronto was ~$1K. Hope it is cheaper now. Interesting thread. Thanks, Duncan tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote: Waf trumps everything, I completely agree. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Brian Weeden brian.wee...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:01:04 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Universal remotes? And the spousal value cannot be understated. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org Montreal Office +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.netwrote: None of these reasons impacts me in the least little bit. It took all of 30 minutes to set my Harmony One up for control my stuff and free me from constant remote hell. If I never need something in particular not on the user-community provided menus I can grab the device remote. I have plenty of better things to do than spent my time fiddling with codes and macros. maccrawj wrote: Suggestion: Run away from Harmony! When Logitech bought them out they removed all advanced direct access to the remotes programming code. End result is you are at their mercy when it comes to getting codes that don't exist in their community support database (read: added by other endlusers by ir learning interpreted by logitech) add short of ir learning or calling TS to add a pronto code. Top ten reasons why Harmony sucks: 10. Not all codes in DB many don't match their labeled function. 9. No user exposed Pronto Code support, so Code not in DB no original remote = frakked, call TS beg them to add by PC. 8. Painstaking PITA activity based system vs. simple devices macros. 7. No real macro support. 6. Slow as molasses doing batches of commands that starting/stopping activities issue. 5. *one* **online** copy of configured remote, no revisions or backups. 4. Programming client is a disguised Gecko web browser, leading to various issues: 5min idle timeout w/o warning, 1990's era HTML forms/buttons vs. Web 2.0, poor process flow, tedious button/device management, internet needed to program, etc... 3. Arbitrary limitations on what buttons can be assigned device functions like sound + buttons only being usable for display audio device, not the device serving them the signal; this despite being able to assign those under device mode setup which you loose in activity mode. 2. Zero interest on Logitech's part to address valid user issues with interface, function, and ability to offline program; A forum base of volunteer kool-aid drinkers with their finger poised on the ban button for dissenters. 1. Expensive rental since the programming software is 100% on their web server so they can switch to something new when it suits them leaving support in the dust like they did mkb+mice with itouch/mouseware. Sound angry? You bet, go read the forums before you drink the kool-aid! JP1 universals still offer way more flexibility direct access to solutions at a lower price point with open source programming software strong community support. For that matter real Pronto remotes are light years ahead in same price range as fancy Harmony's. To be fair I have the Costco marketed low-end 6xx model, about $50 that I am still struggling to like mostly because it has a nice programmable 6 button LCD that my JP1 remote lacks. If the offline programming capable hacked open source softwares ever mature or Logitech wakes up, then I'd recommend it with slight reservation as it still can't have it's firmware functionality end-user extended like JP1's can. Sorry for long post but Logitech irks me on many levels! Bobby Heid wrote: Hey, I'm looking at getting a universal remote. What do you all like in the way of remotes? I was looking at the Logitech Harmony SST 659, 690, and 880 models. Any suggestions?
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Duncan, I can't say for sure but there should be no reason to get a Pronto or anything that expensive; and a lot of maccrawj's complaints seemed to be about the Pronto specifically (please correct me if I'm wrong), and that's the old tech; even the 1000 is a bit old now. Anyway, the Harmony One (~$250; online it was $175 from Amazon and I got Best Buy to price match that; YMMV) should do everything you need and at that price point is very attractive. There are lesser Harmonys out there that could also work fine too; any of those should do you good. As Anthony said, it's easy to set up and you have better things to do than spend time fiddling with remote codes. Here's the link to the Harmony One on Amazon ($199 now): http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-Advanced-Universal-Remote/dp/B00119T6 NQ Read the reviews there; those should give you a good idea of what to expect too. HTH. BINO -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:50 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Universal remotes? OK. Perhaps I misunderstood. Is there some other choice between Pronto and Harmony? Yes, the Pronto is still very pricey to my view.. :) Duncan tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote: No, if your going to spend like that, grab a harmony 1000. At less then $500, nothing compares. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: DSinc dx7...@bellsouth.net Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 12:17:55 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Universal remotes? Understand S.A.F. I do not have this worry, but I am living with 6 remotes. Plus I have none of the modern conveniences and media channels that most on this list use. I still have yet to select an AV Rcvr. I get the impression that there are 2 strong camps here; Logitech Harmony and the older Pronto. Everything else is futz? Am I close? I do so recall years ago when Pronto was ~$1K. Hope it is cheaper now. Interesting thread. Thanks, Duncan tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote: Waf trumps everything, I completely agree. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Brian Weeden brian.wee...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:01:04 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Universal remotes? And the spousal value cannot be understated. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org Montreal Office +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.netwrote: None of these reasons impacts me in the least little bit. It took all of 30 minutes to set my Harmony One up for control my stuff and free me from constant remote hell. If I never need something in particular not on the user-community provided menus I can grab the device remote. I have plenty of better things to do than spent my time fiddling with codes and macros. maccrawj wrote: Suggestion: Run away from Harmony! When Logitech bought them out they removed all advanced direct access to the remotes programming code. End result is you are at their mercy when it comes to getting codes that don't exist in their community support database (read: added by other endlusers by ir learning interpreted by logitech) add short of ir learning or calling TS to add a pronto code. Top ten reasons why Harmony sucks: 10. Not all codes in DB many don't match their labeled function. 9. No user exposed Pronto Code support, so Code not in DB no original remote = frakked, call TS beg them to add by PC. 8. Painstaking PITA activity based system vs. simple devices macros. 7. No real macro support. 6. Slow as molasses doing batches of commands that starting/stopping activities issue. 5. *one* **online** copy of configured remote, no revisions or backups. 4. Programming client is a disguised Gecko web browser, leading to various issues: 5min idle timeout w/o warning, 1990's era HTML forms/buttons vs. Web 2.0, poor process flow, tedious button/device management, internet needed to program, etc... 3. Arbitrary limitations on what buttons can be assigned device functions like sound + buttons only being usable for display audio device, not the device serving them the signal; this despite being able to assign those under device mode setup which you loose in activity mode. 2. Zero interest on Logitech's part to address valid user issues with interface, function, and ability to offline program; A forum base of volunteer kool-aid drinkers with their finger poised on the ban button for dissenters. 1. Expensive rental since the programming software is 100% on their web server so they can switch to something new when it suits them leaving support in the dust like they did mkb+mice with itouch/mouseware
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Bino, Thanks for the shout. OK, I think I have it. Pronto is too expensive. Look at Harmony; except maccrawj does not care for Logitech. That is my read ATM. Some $$$ and personal bias bashing is going on. Fine. This I expect here. At this point I am frightened to do anything. I will continue with this thread Duncan Bino Gopal wrote: Duncan, I can't say for sure but there should be no reason to get a Pronto or anything that expensive; and a lot of maccrawj's complaints seemed to be about the Pronto specifically (please correct me if I'm wrong), and that's the old tech; even the 1000 is a bit old now. Anyway, the Harmony One (~$250; online it was $175 from Amazon and I got Best Buy to price match that; YMMV) should do everything you need and at that price point is very attractive. There are lesser Harmonys out there that could also work fine too; any of those should do you good. As Anthony said, it's easy to set up and you have better things to do than spend time fiddling with remote codes. Here's the link to the Harmony One on Amazon ($199 now): http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-Advanced-Universal-Remote/dp/B00119T6 NQ Read the reviews there; those should give you a good idea of what to expect too. HTH. BINO -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:50 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Universal remotes? OK. Perhaps I misunderstood. Is there some other choice between Pronto and Harmony? Yes, the Pronto is still very pricey to my view.. :) Duncan tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote: No, if your going to spend like that, grab a harmony 1000. At less then $500, nothing compares. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: DSinc dx7...@bellsouth.net Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 12:17:55 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Universal remotes? Understand S.A.F. I do not have this worry, but I am living with 6 remotes. Plus I have none of the modern conveniences and media channels that most on this list use. I still have yet to select an AV Rcvr. I get the impression that there are 2 strong camps here; Logitech Harmony and the older Pronto. Everything else is futz? Am I close? I do so recall years ago when Pronto was ~$1K. Hope it is cheaper now. Interesting thread. Thanks, Duncan tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote: Waf trumps everything, I completely agree. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Brian Weeden brian.wee...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:01:04 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Universal remotes? And the spousal value cannot be understated. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org Montreal Office +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.netwrote: None of these reasons impacts me in the least little bit. It took all of 30 minutes to set my Harmony One up for control my stuff and free me from constant remote hell. If I never need something in particular not on the user-community provided menus I can grab the device remote. I have plenty of better things to do than spent my time fiddling with codes and macros. maccrawj wrote: Suggestion: Run away from Harmony! When Logitech bought them out they removed all advanced direct access to the remotes programming code. End result is you are at their mercy when it comes to getting codes that don't exist in their community support database (read: added by other endlusers by ir learning interpreted by logitech) add short of ir learning or calling TS to add a pronto code. Top ten reasons why Harmony sucks: 10. Not all codes in DB many don't match their labeled function. 9. No user exposed Pronto Code support, so Code not in DB no original remote = frakked, call TS beg them to add by PC. 8. Painstaking PITA activity based system vs. simple devices macros. 7. No real macro support. 6. Slow as molasses doing batches of commands that starting/stopping activities issue. 5. *one* **online** copy of configured remote, no revisions or backups. 4. Programming client is a disguised Gecko web browser, leading to various issues: 5min idle timeout w/o warning, 1990's era HTML forms/buttons vs. Web 2.0, poor process flow, tedious button/device management, internet needed to program, etc... 3. Arbitrary limitations on what buttons can be assigned device functions like sound + buttons only being usable for display audio device, not the device serving them the signal; this despite being able to assign those under device mode setup which you loose in activity mode. 2. Zero interest on Logitech's part to address valid user issues with interface, function, and ability to offline program; A forum base
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Good software out there let's you use a blackberry or iphone as a remote. Decent. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: DSinc dx7...@bellsouth.net Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 00:18:57 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Universal remotes? Bino, Thanks for the shout. OK, I think I have it. Pronto is too expensive. Look at Harmony; except maccrawj does not care for Logitech. That is my read ATM. Some $$$ and personal bias bashing is going on. Fine. This I expect here. At this point I am frightened to do anything. I will continue with this thread Duncan Bino Gopal wrote: Duncan, I can't say for sure but there should be no reason to get a Pronto or anything that expensive; and a lot of maccrawj's complaints seemed to be about the Pronto specifically (please correct me if I'm wrong), and that's the old tech; even the 1000 is a bit old now. Anyway, the Harmony One (~$250; online it was $175 from Amazon and I got Best Buy to price match that; YMMV) should do everything you need and at that price point is very attractive. There are lesser Harmonys out there that could also work fine too; any of those should do you good. As Anthony said, it's easy to set up and you have better things to do than spend time fiddling with remote codes. Here's the link to the Harmony One on Amazon ($199 now): http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-Advanced-Universal-Remote/dp/B00119T6 NQ Read the reviews there; those should give you a good idea of what to expect too. HTH. BINO -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of DSinc Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:50 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Universal remotes? OK. Perhaps I misunderstood. Is there some other choice between Pronto and Harmony? Yes, the Pronto is still very pricey to my view.. :) Duncan tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote: No, if your going to spend like that, grab a harmony 1000. At less then $500, nothing compares. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: DSinc dx7...@bellsouth.net Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 12:17:55 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Universal remotes? Understand S.A.F. I do not have this worry, but I am living with 6 remotes. Plus I have none of the modern conveniences and media channels that most on this list use. I still have yet to select an AV Rcvr. I get the impression that there are 2 strong camps here; Logitech Harmony and the older Pronto. Everything else is futz? Am I close? I do so recall years ago when Pronto was ~$1K. Hope it is cheaper now. Interesting thread. Thanks, Duncan tmse...@rlrnews.com wrote: Waf trumps everything, I completely agree. Sent via BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Brian Weeden brian.wee...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:01:04 To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Universal remotes? And the spousal value cannot be understated. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org Montreal Office +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.netwrote: None of these reasons impacts me in the least little bit. It took all of 30 minutes to set my Harmony One up for control my stuff and free me from constant remote hell. If I never need something in particular not on the user-community provided menus I can grab the device remote. I have plenty of better things to do than spent my time fiddling with codes and macros. maccrawj wrote: Suggestion: Run away from Harmony! When Logitech bought them out they removed all advanced direct access to the remotes programming code. End result is you are at their mercy when it comes to getting codes that don't exist in their community support database (read: added by other endlusers by ir learning interpreted by logitech) add short of ir learning or calling TS to add a pronto code. Top ten reasons why Harmony sucks: 10. Not all codes in DB many don't match their labeled function. 9. No user exposed Pronto Code support, so Code not in DB no original remote = frakked, call TS beg them to add by PC. 8. Painstaking PITA activity based system vs. simple devices macros. 7. No real macro support. 6. Slow as molasses doing batches of commands that starting/stopping activities issue. 5. *one* **online** copy of configured remote, no revisions or backups. 4. Programming client is a disguised Gecko web browser, leading to various issues: 5min idle timeout w/o warning, 1990's era HTML forms/buttons vs. Web 2.0, poor process flow, tedious button/device management, internet needed to program, etc... 3. Arbitrary limitations on what buttons can be assigned device functions like
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Try this: http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-Advanced-Universal-Remote/dp/B00119T6NQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1251280494sr=8-1 as your link did work. Or search on Harmony One. Bobby Heid wrote: Is this the One? http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-Advanced-Universal-Remote/dp/B00119T6 NQ Bobby -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:27 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Universal remotes? Get The One. Then be done with remotes. Bobby Heid wrote: And I'd like to keep it under about $125 or so. Thanks, Bobby From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bh...@sc.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:20 PM To: 'hardware@hardwaregroup.com' Subject: Universal remotes? Hey, I'm looking at getting a universal remote. What do you all like in the way of remotes? I was looking at the Logitech Harmony SST 659, 690, and 880 models. Any suggestions? SST 659 http://tinyurl.com/n7x76x http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-SST-659-Universal-Control/dp/BTNZ DK/ref=sr_1_21?ie=UTF8 http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-SST-659-Universal-Control/dp/BTN ZDK/ref=sr_1_21?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1251239592sr=8-21 s=electronicsqid=1251239592sr=8-21 670 http://tinyurl.com/n87b4m http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-670-Universal-Remote/dp/B000IMSK8Y/re f=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8 http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-670-Universal-Remote/dp/B000IMSK8Y/r ef=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1251239526sr=8-15 s=electronicsqid=1251239526sr=8-15 880 http://tinyurl.com/n2b3w4 http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-Advanced-Universal-Control/dp/B00093I IRA/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8 http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-Advanced-Universal-Control/dp/B00093 IIRA/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1251239675sr=1-5 s=electronicsqid=1251239675sr=1-5 Thanks, Bobby
[H] Universal remotes?
Hey, I'm looking at getting a universal remote. What do you all like in the way of remotes? I was looking at the Logitech Harmony SST 659, 690, and 880 models. Any suggestions? SST 659 http://tinyurl.com/n7x76x http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-SST-659-Universal-Control/dp/BTNZ DK/ref=sr_1_21?ie=UTF8 http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-SST-659-Universal-Control/dp/BTN ZDK/ref=sr_1_21?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1251239592sr=8-21 s=electronicsqid=1251239592sr=8-21 670 http://tinyurl.com/n87b4m http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-670-Universal-Remote/dp/B000IMSK8Y/re f=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8 http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-670-Universal-Remote/dp/B000IMSK8Y/r ef=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1251239526sr=8-15 s=electronicsqid=1251239526sr=8-15 880 http://tinyurl.com/n2b3w4 http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-Advanced-Universal-Control/dp/B00093I IRA/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8 http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-Advanced-Universal-Control/dp/B00093 IIRA/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1251239675sr=1-5 s=electronicsqid=1251239675sr=1-5 Thanks, Bobby
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And I'd like to keep it under about $125 or so. Thanks, Bobby From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bh...@sc.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:20 PM To: 'hardware@hardwaregroup.com' Subject: Universal remotes? Hey, I'm looking at getting a universal remote. What do you all like in the way of remotes? I was looking at the Logitech Harmony SST 659, 690, and 880 models. Any suggestions? SST 659 http://tinyurl.com/n7x76x http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-SST-659-Universal-Control/dp/BTNZ DK/ref=sr_1_21?ie=UTF8 http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-SST-659-Universal-Control/dp/BTN ZDK/ref=sr_1_21?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1251239592sr=8-21 s=electronicsqid=1251239592sr=8-21 670 http://tinyurl.com/n87b4m http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-670-Universal-Remote/dp/B000IMSK8Y/re f=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8 http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-670-Universal-Remote/dp/B000IMSK8Y/r ef=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1251239526sr=8-15 s=electronicsqid=1251239526sr=8-15 880 http://tinyurl.com/n2b3w4 http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-Advanced-Universal-Control/dp/B00093I IRA/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8 http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-Advanced-Universal-Control/dp/B00093 IIRA/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1251239675sr=1-5 s=electronicsqid=1251239675sr=1-5 Thanks, Bobby
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Get The One. Then be done with remotes. Bobby Heid wrote: And I'd like to keep it under about $125 or so. Thanks, Bobby From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bh...@sc.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:20 PM To: 'hardware@hardwaregroup.com' Subject: Universal remotes? Hey, I'm looking at getting a universal remote. What do you all like in the way of remotes? I was looking at the Logitech Harmony SST 659, 690, and 880 models. Any suggestions? SST 659 http://tinyurl.com/n7x76x http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-SST-659-Universal-Control/dp/BTNZ DK/ref=sr_1_21?ie=UTF8 http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-SST-659-Universal-Control/dp/BTN ZDK/ref=sr_1_21?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1251239592sr=8-21 s=electronicsqid=1251239592sr=8-21 670 http://tinyurl.com/n87b4m http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-670-Universal-Remote/dp/B000IMSK8Y/re f=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8 http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-670-Universal-Remote/dp/B000IMSK8Y/r ef=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1251239526sr=8-15 s=electronicsqid=1251239526sr=8-15 880 http://tinyurl.com/n2b3w4 http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-Advanced-Universal-Control/dp/B00093I IRA/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8 http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-Advanced-Universal-Control/dp/B00093 IIRA/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1251239675sr=1-5 s=electronicsqid=1251239675sr=1-5 Thanks, Bobby
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I have the Harmony 550 and it rocks - wife loves it too. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.netwrote: Get The One. Then be done with remotes. Bobby Heid wrote: And I'd like to keep it under about $125 or so. Thanks, Bobby From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bh...@sc.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:20 PM To: 'hardware@hardwaregroup.com' Subject: Universal remotes? Hey, I'm looking at getting a universal remote. What do you all like in the way of remotes? I was looking at the Logitech Harmony SST 659, 690, and 880 models. Any suggestions? SST 659 http://tinyurl.com/n7x76x http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-SST-659-Universal-Control/dp/BTNZ DK/ref=sr_1_21?ie=UTF8 http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-SST-659-Universal-Control/dp/BTN ZDK/ref=sr_1_21?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1251239592sr=8-21 s=electronicsqid=1251239592sr=8-21 670 http://tinyurl.com/n87b4m http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-670-Universal-Remote/dp/B000IMSK8Y/re f=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8 http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-670-Universal-Remote/dp/B000IMSK8Y/r ef=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1251239526sr=8-15 s=electronicsqid=1251239526sr=8-15 880 http://tinyurl.com/n2b3w4 http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-Advanced-Universal-Control/dp/B00093I IRA/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8 http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-Advanced-Universal-Control/dp/B00093 IIRA/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1251239675sr=1-5 s=electronicsqid=1251239675sr=1-5 Thanks, Bobby
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Is this the One? http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-Advanced-Universal-Remote/dp/B00119T6 NQ Bobby -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:27 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Universal remotes? Get The One. Then be done with remotes. Bobby Heid wrote: And I'd like to keep it under about $125 or so. Thanks, Bobby From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bh...@sc.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:20 PM To: 'hardware@hardwaregroup.com' Subject: Universal remotes? Hey, I'm looking at getting a universal remote. What do you all like in the way of remotes? I was looking at the Logitech Harmony SST 659, 690, and 880 models. Any suggestions? SST 659 http://tinyurl.com/n7x76x http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-SST-659-Universal-Control/dp/BTNZ DK/ref=sr_1_21?ie=UTF8 http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-SST-659-Universal-Control/dp/BTN ZDK/ref=sr_1_21?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1251239592sr=8-21 s=electronicsqid=1251239592sr=8-21 670 http://tinyurl.com/n87b4m http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-670-Universal-Remote/dp/B000IMSK8Y/re f=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8 http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-670-Universal-Remote/dp/B000IMSK8Y/r ef=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1251239526sr=8-15 s=electronicsqid=1251239526sr=8-15 880 http://tinyurl.com/n2b3w4 http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-Advanced-Universal-Control/dp/B00093I IRA/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8 http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-Advanced-Universal-Control/dp/B00093 IIRA/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1251239675sr=1-5 s=electronicsqid=1251239675sr=1-5 Thanks, Bobby
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The wife too? That says a lot! LOL. Bobby -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:40 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Universal remotes? I have the Harmony 550 and it rocks - wife loves it too. --- Brian Weeden Technical Advisor Secure World Foundation http://www.secureworldfoundation.org +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada +1 (202) 683-8534 US On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Anthony Q. Martin amar...@charter.netwrote: Get The One. Then be done with remotes. Bobby Heid wrote: And I'd like to keep it under about $125 or so. Thanks, Bobby From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bh...@sc.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:20 PM To: 'hardware@hardwaregroup.com' Subject: Universal remotes? Hey, I'm looking at getting a universal remote. What do you all like in the way of remotes? I was looking at the Logitech Harmony SST 659, 690, and 880 models. Any suggestions? SST 659 http://tinyurl.com/n7x76x http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-SST-659-Universal-Control/dp/BTNZ DK/ref=sr_1_21?ie=UTF8 http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-SST-659-Universal-Control/dp/BTN ZDK/ref=sr_1_21?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1251239592sr=8-21 s=electronicsqid=1251239592sr=8-21 670 http://tinyurl.com/n87b4m http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-670-Universal-Remote/dp/B000IMSK8Y/re f=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8 http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-670-Universal-Remote/dp/B000IMSK8Y/r ef=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1251239526sr=8-15 s=electronicsqid=1251239526sr=8-15 880 http://tinyurl.com/n2b3w4 http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-Advanced-Universal-Control/dp/B00093I IRA/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8 http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-Advanced-Universal-Control/dp/B00093 IIRA/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1251239675sr=1-5 s=electronicsqid=1251239675sr=1-5 Thanks, Bobby
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Recommend the 880, been using harmony for years, from the 5xx series to the 880 now (2+ years and ticking) - you definitely want a rechargeable battery cause I was eating juice with 4x AAAs. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:20 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Universal remotes? Hey, I'm looking at getting a universal remote. What do you all like in the way of remotes? I was looking at the Logitech Harmony SST 659, 690, and 880 models. Any suggestions? SST 659 http://tinyurl.com/n7x76x http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-SST-659-Universal-Control/dp/BTNZ DK/ref=sr_1_21?ie=UTF8 http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-SST-659-Universal-Control/dp/BTN ZDK/ref=sr_1_21?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1251239592sr=8-21 s=electronicsqid=1251239592sr=8-21 670 http://tinyurl.com/n87b4m http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-670-Universal-Remote/dp/B000IMSK8Y/re f=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8 http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-670-Universal-Remote/dp/B000IMSK8Y/r ef=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1251239526sr=8-15 s=electronicsqid=1251239526sr=8-15 880 http://tinyurl.com/n2b3w4 http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-Advanced-Universal-Control/dp/B00093I IRA/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8 http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-Advanced-Universal-Control/dp/B00093 IIRA/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1251239675sr=1-5 s=electronicsqid=1251239675sr=1-5 Thanks, Bobby
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One thing with the Harmony interface/programming - shorten the device delay from the default 1 second to 100ms, it'll make life a lot easier when turning on multiple devices. -Original Message- From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:20 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: [H] Universal remotes? Hey, I'm looking at getting a universal remote. What do you all like in the way of remotes? I was looking at the Logitech Harmony SST 659, 690, and 880 models. Any suggestions? SST 659 http://tinyurl.com/n7x76x http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-SST-659-Universal-Control/dp/BTNZ DK/ref=sr_1_21?ie=UTF8 http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-SST-659-Universal-Control/dp/BTN ZDK/ref=sr_1_21?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1251239592sr=8-21 s=electronicsqid=1251239592sr=8-21 670 http://tinyurl.com/n87b4m http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-670-Universal-Remote/dp/B000IMSK8Y/re f=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8 http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-670-Universal-Remote/dp/B000IMSK8Y/r ef=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1251239526sr=8-15 s=electronicsqid=1251239526sr=8-15 880 http://tinyurl.com/n2b3w4 http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-Advanced-Universal-Control/dp/B00093I IRA/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8 http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-Advanced-Universal-Control/dp/B00093 IIRA/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1251239675sr=1-5 s=electronicsqid=1251239675sr=1-5 Thanks, Bobby
