subject:"Re\: \[H\] Win 8.1pro\?\?"

Re: [H] Win 8.1pro (working)??

2014-05-24 Thread DSinc


Jamie,
Thanks for the link! Nice to see I was not the only frustrated 
installer. Just another
example of M$ perverse logic. In the end, I backed up and just installed 
Win7 PRO

SP1 on the machine. This install went smooth and is working very well.
Thanks again. I know the Collective would have an answer!
Duncan

On 05/23/2014 22:52, Jamie Furtner wrote:

Duncan, look at this:
http://superuser.com/questions/661416/how-to-install-upgrade-to-windows-8-1-rtm-without-a-microsoft-account/661592#661592

It doesn't make sense, but what Bobby is saying is correct - you start
by selecting Create an account and on the creation screen is the skip
option (at the bottom, Sign in without a Microsoft account). As a
guess Microsoft wants to push everyone to use a Microsoft account
instead so hiding it makes sense from that perspective, but I think it
should be on the previous screen.

Jamie

On 2014-05-23 6:10 PM, DSinc wrote:

Bobby,
Thanks so much for your share. Understand. I do not wish to
CREATE an account. I just wish to load and use the SW I have.
Gave up on Win8.1PRO due to the MS Account business.
Now, I am trying Win7PRO, but my DVD reader has now crashed
(and it was brand new?). One thing after another.
One day I may get there.
Duncan


On 05/23/2014 16:22, Bobby Heid wrote:

Trying to go from memory here.  Select create account.  Then on the
screen
it takes you to, there is a link there to not use an account (or not
create
one or something like that).

Bobby

-Original Message-
From: Hardware [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On
Behalf
Of DSinc
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 3:07 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Win 8.1pro (working)??

OK. 6hrs of googling 'How to deactivate Windows' ended with failure.
So I put my 64bit W8.1 PRO DVD in the reader and launched it. Yes,
it did warn me, but it did format my SSD again (finally!). And, the
installer
continued to install W8.1 PRO,or, so I thought. I thought I
might get
though this task cleanly. NOPE! M$ stalls at me creating a Microsoft
Account
and, I can not get past this. I do NOT wish to create this. M$ does not
let me
optout, say NO!, bypass, etc. I do not care what benefits M$ may offer.
I do not
want to playjust to use their SW. Slimy BS to me. JMHO.
The PC is now fully down. I may try and install W7
PRO..still have those
copies!
Duncan

My frustration is now complete.
On 05/23/2014 08:49, DSinc wrote:

Thanks Vincent,
I sorta agree with your comments, although I've only seen one
version of
IE11 (which I do not use). Do you mean one version for desktop (my
use),
and a second version for tablet use?
I will google about how to de-activate my current w8.1 install (full
version).
Then I can install my w8.1 PRO OS version. I have very little data to
miss just now.
I am still peeking/poking around figuring w8.1 out. It is very
scrambled up!
Duncan

On 05/22/2014 20:24, Vincent Winterling wrote:

According to my understanding of the EULA, if you have deactivated a
Windows
system and it's not an OEM version, you are free to install it on
another
machine.

If you run 8.1 from the desktop which is now easy to do (and get
the 8.1
update) you'll find a very stable OS that has more options than before
(e.g., capacity for use with touch devices). And while I acknowledge
I might
be the crazy 1% that actually likes Windows 8.1, it runs fine here on
several machines.

That said, it also has it's failings. The 2 versions of IE are stupid.

On balance, I have to say my daughter uses 8.1 from the touch screen
almost
completely and she likes it. She rarely uses the desktop.

Vincent Winterling
Vineland, NJ

-Original Message-
From: Hardware [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On
Behalf
Of DSinc
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 11:31 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Win 8.1pro (working)??

Collective,
OK. Let me ask another question. I purchased, opened the package, and,
installed Windows 8.1 (64bit).
It seems to run very stable, if still very confusing to me atm. I will
get over this, thank you.
Yes, I did also activate this install; so I believe that M$ now
knows
that one of my PCs is now using W8.1.
Fine.  I also know that I can not re-use my DVDs again EXCEPT to
re-load
the same OS to the PC it lives on
now. I believe I am now part of some large 'Activated' database at
M$. Fine.
I am licensed to use the M$ code from the DVDs and any follow on
support
services. I own the DVDs and the
package only.

Does M$ have a 'De-Activation process' should I decide to install this
W8.1 code on a different PC that I own?

No, I have no plan to sell my W8.1 (full version 32/64) to anyone
else.

Thank you for any comments/suggestions you choose to share.
Duncan

Re: [H] Win 8.1pro (working)??

2014-05-24 Thread Anthony Q. Martin

It does piss me off that MS seems to be trying to force anyone using 
windows 8 to create an MS account.  This needs to change.


On 5/24/2014 8:06 AM, DSinc wrote:

Jamie,
Thanks for the link! Nice to see I was not the only frustrated 
installer. Just another
example of M$ perverse logic. In the end, I backed up and just 
installed Win7 PRO

SP1 on the machine. This install went smooth and is working very well.
Thanks again. I know the Collective would have an answer!
Duncan

On 05/23/2014 22:52, Jamie Furtner wrote:

Duncan, look at this:
http://superuser.com/questions/661416/how-to-install-upgrade-to-windows-8-1-rtm-without-a-microsoft-account/661592#661592 



It doesn't make sense, but what Bobby is saying is correct - you start
by selecting Create an account and on the creation screen is the skip
option (at the bottom, Sign in without a Microsoft account). As a
guess Microsoft wants to push everyone to use a Microsoft account
instead so hiding it makes sense from that perspective, but I think it
should be on the previous screen.

Jamie

On 2014-05-23 6:10 PM, DSinc wrote:

Bobby,
Thanks so much for your share. Understand. I do not wish to
CREATE an account. I just wish to load and use the SW I have.
Gave up on Win8.1PRO due to the MS Account business.
Now, I am trying Win7PRO, but my DVD reader has now crashed
(and it was brand new?). One thing after another.
One day I may get there.
Duncan


On 05/23/2014 16:22, Bobby Heid wrote:

Trying to go from memory here.  Select create account.  Then on the
screen
it takes you to, there is a link there to not use an account (or not
create
one or something like that).

Bobby

-Original Message-
From: Hardware [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On
Behalf
Of DSinc
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 3:07 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Win 8.1pro (working)??

OK. 6hrs of googling 'How to deactivate Windows' ended with failure.
So I put my 64bit W8.1 PRO DVD in the reader and launched it. Yes,
it did warn me, but it did format my SSD again (finally!). And, the
installer
continued to install W8.1 PRO,or, so I thought. I thought I
might get
though this task cleanly. NOPE! M$ stalls at me creating a Microsoft
Account
and, I can not get past this. I do NOT wish to create this. M$ does 
not

let me
optout, say NO!, bypass, etc. I do not care what benefits M$ may 
offer.

I do not
want to playjust to use their SW. Slimy BS to me. JMHO.
The PC is now fully down. I may try and install W7
PRO..still have those
copies!
Duncan

My frustration is now complete.
On 05/23/2014 08:49, DSinc wrote:

Thanks Vincent,
I sorta agree with your comments, although I've only seen one
version of
IE11 (which I do not use). Do you mean one version for desktop (my
use),
and a second version for tablet use?
I will google about how to de-activate my current w8.1 install (full
version).
Then I can install my w8.1 PRO OS version. I have very little data to
miss just now.
I am still peeking/poking around figuring w8.1 out. It is very
scrambled up!
Duncan

On 05/22/2014 20:24, Vincent Winterling wrote:

According to my understanding of the EULA, if you have deactivated a
Windows
system and it's not an OEM version, you are free to install it on
another
machine.

If you run 8.1 from the desktop which is now easy to do (and get
the 8.1
update) you'll find a very stable OS that has more options than 
before

(e.g., capacity for use with touch devices). And while I acknowledge
I might
be the crazy 1% that actually likes Windows 8.1, it runs fine 
here on

several machines.

That said, it also has it's failings. The 2 versions of IE are 
stupid.


On balance, I have to say my daughter uses 8.1 from the touch screen
almost
completely and she likes it. She rarely uses the desktop.

Vincent Winterling
Vineland, NJ

-Original Message-
From: Hardware [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On
Behalf
Of DSinc
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 11:31 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Win 8.1pro (working)??

Collective,
OK. Let me ask another question. I purchased, opened the package, 
and,

installed Windows 8.1 (64bit).
It seems to run very stable, if still very confusing to me atm. I 
will

get over this, thank you.
Yes, I did also activate this install; so I believe that M$ now
knows
that one of my PCs is now using W8.1.
Fine.  I also know that I can not re-use my DVDs again EXCEPT to
re-load
the same OS to the PC it lives on
now. I believe I am now part of some large 'Activated' database at
M$. Fine.
I am licensed to use the M$ code from the DVDs and any follow on
support
services. I own the DVDs and the
package only.

Does M$ have a 'De-Activation process' should I decide to install 
this

W8.1 code on a different PC that I own?

No, I have no plan to sell my W8.1 (full version 32/64) to anyone
else.

Thank you for any comments/suggestions you choose to share.
Duncan

Re: [H] Win 8.1pro (working)??

2014-05-24 Thread DSinc

I completely agree. M$ is doing their best to force us to use their 
other 'lame' products.
I see it as a shameful 'Eye-Ball' grab with little positive benefit. 
BTW, I am getting close to
firing Hotmail also after 20 years. I suppose I may spend weeks cajoling 
the new OS to stop

using the Bing search engine also. LOL!
Duncan

On 05/24/2014 10:21, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
It does piss me off that MS seems to be trying to force anyone using 
windows 8 to create an MS account.  This needs to change.


On 5/24/2014 8:06 AM, DSinc wrote:

Jamie,
Thanks for the link! Nice to see I was not the only frustrated 
installer. Just another
example of M$ perverse logic. In the end, I backed up and just 
installed Win7 PRO

SP1 on the machine. This install went smooth and is working very well.
Thanks again. I know the Collective would have an answer!
Duncan

On 05/23/2014 22:52, Jamie Furtner wrote:

Duncan, look at this:
http://superuser.com/questions/661416/how-to-install-upgrade-to-windows-8-1-rtm-without-a-microsoft-account/661592#661592 



It doesn't make sense, but what Bobby is saying is correct - you start
by selecting Create an account and on the creation screen is the skip
option (at the bottom, Sign in without a Microsoft account). As a
guess Microsoft wants to push everyone to use a Microsoft account
instead so hiding it makes sense from that perspective, but I think it
should be on the previous screen.

Jamie

On 2014-05-23 6:10 PM, DSinc wrote:

Bobby,
Thanks so much for your share. Understand. I do not wish to
CREATE an account. I just wish to load and use the SW I have.
Gave up on Win8.1PRO due to the MS Account business.
Now, I am trying Win7PRO, but my DVD reader has now crashed
(and it was brand new?). One thing after another.
One day I may get there.
Duncan


On 05/23/2014 16:22, Bobby Heid wrote:

Trying to go from memory here. Select create account.  Then on the
screen
it takes you to, there is a link there to not use an account (or not
create
one or something like that).

Bobby

-Original Message-
From: Hardware [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On
Behalf
Of DSinc
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 3:07 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Win 8.1pro (working)??

OK. 6hrs of googling 'How to deactivate Windows' ended with failure.
So I put my 64bit W8.1 PRO DVD in the reader and launched it. Yes,
it did warn me, but it did format my SSD again (finally!). And, the
installer
continued to install W8.1 PRO,or, so I thought. I thought I
might get
though this task cleanly. NOPE! M$ stalls at me creating a Microsoft
Account
and, I can not get past this. I do NOT wish to create this. M$ 
does not

let me
optout, say NO!, bypass, etc. I do not care what benefits M$ may 
offer.

I do not
want to playjust to use their SW. Slimy BS to me. JMHO.
The PC is now fully down. I may try and install W7
PRO..still have those
copies!
Duncan

My frustration is now complete.
On 05/23/2014 08:49, DSinc wrote:

Thanks Vincent,
I sorta agree with your comments, although I've only seen one
version of
IE11 (which I do not use). Do you mean one version for desktop (my
use),
and a second version for tablet use?
I will google about how to de-activate my current w8.1 install (full
version).
Then I can install my w8.1 PRO OS version. I have very little 
data to

miss just now.
I am still peeking/poking around figuring w8.1 out. It is very
scrambled up!
Duncan

On 05/22/2014 20:24, Vincent Winterling wrote:
According to my understanding of the EULA, if you have 
deactivated a

Windows
system and it's not an OEM version, you are free to install it on
another
machine.

If you run 8.1 from the desktop which is now easy to do (and get
the 8.1
update) you'll find a very stable OS that has more options than 
before
(e.g., capacity for use with touch devices). And while I 
acknowledge

I might
be the crazy 1% that actually likes Windows 8.1, it runs fine 
here on

several machines.

That said, it also has it's failings. The 2 versions of IE are 
stupid.


On balance, I have to say my daughter uses 8.1 from the touch 
screen

almost
completely and she likes it. She rarely uses the desktop.

Vincent Winterling
Vineland, NJ

-Original Message-
From: Hardware [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On
Behalf
Of DSinc
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 11:31 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Win 8.1pro (working)??

Collective,
OK. Let me ask another question. I purchased, opened the 
package, and,

installed Windows 8.1 (64bit).
It seems to run very stable, if still very confusing to me atm. 
I will

get over this, thank you.
Yes, I did also activate this install; so I believe that M$ now
knows
that one of my PCs is now using W8.1.
Fine.  I also know that I can not re-use my DVDs again EXCEPT to
re-load
the same OS to the PC it lives on
now. I believe I am now part of some large 'Activated' database at
M$. Fine.
I am licensed to use the M

Re: [H] Win 8.1pro (working)??

2014-05-24 Thread Winterlight



They want you to have a email account that's it. If you have a live, 
msn,  hotlook, or outlook email address then you have an account. 
Then they sync everything to that account.. like One Note, one drive, 
windows phone. If I take a picture with my windows phone it is in my 
One drive folder before I go looking for it. I think it works 
great the best integration of any cloud program I have seen to 
date.. and it is all free. Besides, you get another free email 
account..big deal... don't use it any nothing gets sinked. It isn't 
like this is Facebook trying to lock you into a lifetime of 
unremovable snooping.


An interesting story this week is that the EU has issued a ruling, 
with no appeal permitted,  that compels Google to allow anybody in 
the EU from removing themselves or any information about them from 
Google search. The Europeans know what is like to have this sort of 
information abused by government.


m

At 09:28 AM 5/24/2014, you wrote:
I completely agree. M$ is doing their best to force us to use their 
other 'lame' products.
I see it as a shameful 'Eye-Ball' grab with little positive benefit. 
BTW, I am getting close to
firing Hotmail also after 20 years. I suppose I may spend weeks 
cajoling the new OS to stop

using the Bing search engine also. LOL!
Duncan

On 05/24/2014 10:21, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
It does piss me off that MS seems to be trying to force anyone 
using windows 8 to create an MS account.  This needs to change.


On 5/24/2014 8:06 AM, DSinc wrote:

Jamie,
Thanks for the link! Nice to see I was not the only frustrated 
installer. Just another
example of M$ perverse logic. In the end, I backed up and just 
installed Win7 PRO

SP1 on the machine. This install went smooth and is working very well.
Thanks again. I know the Collective would have an answer!
Duncan

On 05/23/2014 22:52, Jamie Furtner wrote:

Duncan, look at this:
http://superuser.com/questions/661416/how-to-install-upgrade-to-windows-8-1-rtm-without-a-microsoft-account/661592#661592 



It doesn't make sense, but what Bobby is saying is correct - you start
by selecting Create an account and on the creation screen is the skip
option (at the bottom, Sign in without a Microsoft account). As a
guess Microsoft wants to push everyone to use a Microsoft account
instead so hiding it makes sense from that perspective, but I think it
should be on the previous screen.

Jamie

On 2014-05-23 6:10 PM, DSinc wrote:

Bobby,
Thanks so much for your share. Understand. I do not wish to
CREATE an account. I just wish to load and use the SW I have.
Gave up on Win8.1PRO due to the MS Account business.
Now, I am trying Win7PRO, but my DVD reader has now crashed
(and it was brand new?). One thing after another.
One day I may get there.
Duncan


On 05/23/2014 16:22, Bobby Heid wrote:

Trying to go from memory here. Select create account.  Then on the
screen
it takes you to, there is a link there to not use an account (or not
create
one or something like that).

Bobby

-Original Message-
From: Hardware [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On
Behalf
Of DSinc
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 3:07 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Win 8.1pro (working)??

OK. 6hrs of googling 'How to deactivate Windows' ended with failure.
So I put my 64bit W8.1 PRO DVD in the reader and launched it. Yes,
it did warn me, but it did format my SSD again (finally!). And, the
installer
continued to install W8.1 PRO,or, so I thought. I thought I
might get
though this task cleanly. NOPE! M$ stalls at me creating a Microsoft
Account
and, I can not get past this. I do NOT wish to create this. M$ does not
let me
optout, say NO!, bypass, etc. I do not care what benefits M$ may offer.
I do not
want to playjust to use their SW. Slimy BS to me. JMHO.
The PC is now fully down. I may try and install W7
PRO..still have those
copies!
Duncan

My frustration is now complete.
On 05/23/2014 08:49, DSinc wrote:

Thanks Vincent,
I sorta agree with your comments, although I've only seen one
version of
IE11 (which I do not use). Do you mean one version for desktop (my
use),
and a second version for tablet use?
I will google about how to de-activate my current w8.1 install (full
version).
Then I can install my w8.1 PRO OS version. I have very little data to
miss just now.
I am still peeking/poking around figuring w8.1 out. It is very
scrambled up!
Duncan

On 05/22/2014 20:24, Vincent Winterling wrote:

According to my understanding of the EULA, if you have deactivated a
Windows
system and it's not an OEM version, you are free to install it on
another
machine.

If you run 8.1 from the desktop which is now easy to do (and get
the 8.1
update) you'll find a very stable OS that has more options than before
(e.g., capacity for use with touch devices). And while I acknowledge
I might
be the crazy 1% that actually likes Windows 8.1, it runs fine here on
several machines.

That said, it also has it's failings. The 2

Re: [H] Win 8.1pro (working)??

2014-05-24 Thread DSinc


M,
OK. I suppose I choose to just M$ OS sw without all the added benies. 
No harm, no foul. I did not care for the
rather forceful way M$ pushed me to their exalted extra benefits. You 
use them and get benefit from them. Fine.
I chose not to play and got frustrated not being able to complete an OS 
install. Now, I know the trick.
Perhaps, I will re-instal the OS now. At the moment, Win7 PRO SP1 
(64bit) is installed and working well. For the

moment I am happy.
Duncan

On 05/24/2014 15:15, Winterlight wrote:


They want you to have a email account that's it. If you have a live, 
msn,  hotlook, or outlook email address then you have an account. Then 
they sync everything to that account.. like One Note, one drive, 
windows phone. If I take a picture with my windows phone it is in my 
One drive folder before I go looking for it. I think it works 
great the best integration of any cloud program I have seen to 
date.. and it is all free. Besides, you get another free email 
account..big deal... don't use it any nothing gets sinked. It isn't 
like this is Facebook trying to lock you into a lifetime of 
unremovable snooping.


An interesting story this week is that the EU has issued a ruling, 
with no appeal permitted,  that compels Google to allow anybody in the 
EU from removing themselves or any information about them from Google 
search. The Europeans know what is like to have this sort of 
information abused by government.


m

At 09:28 AM 5/24/2014, you wrote:
I completely agree. M$ is doing their best to force us to use their 
other 'lame' products.
I see it as a shameful 'Eye-Ball' grab with little positive benefit. 
BTW, I am getting close to
firing Hotmail also after 20 years. I suppose I may spend weeks 
cajoling the new OS to stop

using the Bing search engine also. LOL!
Duncan

On 05/24/2014 10:21, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
It does piss me off that MS seems to be trying to force anyone using 
windows 8 to create an MS account.  This needs to change.


On 5/24/2014 8:06 AM, DSinc wrote:

Jamie,
Thanks for the link! Nice to see I was not the only frustrated 
installer. Just another
example of M$ perverse logic. In the end, I backed up and just 
installed Win7 PRO

SP1 on the machine. This install went smooth and is working very well.
Thanks again. I know the Collective would have an answer!
Duncan

On 05/23/2014 22:52, Jamie Furtner wrote:

Duncan, look at this:
http://superuser.com/questions/661416/how-to-install-upgrade-to-windows-8-1-rtm-without-a-microsoft-account/661592#661592 



It doesn't make sense, but what Bobby is saying is correct - you 
start
by selecting Create an account and on the creation screen is the 
skip

option (at the bottom, Sign in without a Microsoft account). As a
guess Microsoft wants to push everyone to use a Microsoft account
instead so hiding it makes sense from that perspective, but I 
think it

should be on the previous screen.

Jamie

On 2014-05-23 6:10 PM, DSinc wrote:

Bobby,
Thanks so much for your share. Understand. I do not wish to
CREATE an account. I just wish to load and use the SW I have.
Gave up on Win8.1PRO due to the MS Account business.
Now, I am trying Win7PRO, but my DVD reader has now crashed
(and it was brand new?). One thing after another.
One day I may get there.
Duncan


On 05/23/2014 16:22, Bobby Heid wrote:

Trying to go from memory here. Select create account.  Then on the
screen
it takes you to, there is a link there to not use an account (or 
not

create
one or something like that).

Bobby

-Original Message-
From: Hardware [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On
Behalf
Of DSinc
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 3:07 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Win 8.1pro (working)??

OK. 6hrs of googling 'How to deactivate Windows' ended with 
failure.

So I put my 64bit W8.1 PRO DVD in the reader and launched it. Yes,
it did warn me, but it did format my SSD again (finally!). And, the
installer
continued to install W8.1 PRO,or, so I thought. I thought I
might get
though this task cleanly. NOPE! M$ stalls at me creating a 
Microsoft

Account
and, I can not get past this. I do NOT wish to create this. M$ 
does not

let me
optout, say NO!, bypass, etc. I do not care what benefits M$ may 
offer.

I do not
want to playjust to use their SW. Slimy BS to me. JMHO.
The PC is now fully down. I may try and install W7
PRO..still have those
copies!
Duncan

My frustration is now complete.
On 05/23/2014 08:49, DSinc wrote:

Thanks Vincent,
I sorta agree with your comments, although I've only seen one
version of
IE11 (which I do not use). Do you mean one version for desktop (my
use),
and a second version for tablet use?
I will google about how to de-activate my current w8.1 install 
(full

version).
Then I can install my w8.1 PRO OS version. I have very little 
data to

miss just now.
I am still peeking/poking around figuring w8.1 out. It is very
scrambled up!
Duncan

On 05/22/2014 20:24, Vincent

Re: [H] Win 8.1pro (working)??

2014-05-23 Thread DSinc


Thanks Vincent,
I sorta agree with your comments, although I've only seen one version of
IE11 (which I do not use). Do you mean one version for desktop (my use),
and a second version for tablet use?
I will google about how to de-activate my current w8.1 install (full 
version).
Then I can install my w8.1 PRO OS version. I have very little data to 
miss just now.

I am still peeking/poking around figuring w8.1 out. It is very scrambled up!
Duncan

On 05/22/2014 20:24, Vincent Winterling wrote:

According to my understanding of the EULA, if you have deactivated a Windows
system and it's not an OEM version, you are free to install it on another
machine.

If you run 8.1 from the desktop which is now easy to do (and get the 8.1
update) you'll find a very stable OS that has more options than before
(e.g., capacity for use with touch devices). And while I acknowledge I might
be the crazy 1% that actually likes Windows 8.1, it runs fine here on
several machines.

That said, it also has it's failings. The 2 versions of IE are stupid.

On balance, I have to say my daughter uses 8.1 from the touch screen almost
completely and she likes it. She rarely uses the desktop.

Vincent Winterling
Vineland, NJ

-Original Message-
From: Hardware [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf
Of DSinc
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 11:31 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Win 8.1pro (working)??

Collective,
OK. Let me ask another question. I purchased, opened the package, and,
installed Windows 8.1 (64bit).
It seems to run very stable, if still very confusing to me atm. I will
get over this, thank you.
Yes, I did also activate this install; so I believe that M$ now knows
that one of my PCs is now using W8.1.
Fine.  I also know that I can not re-use my DVDs again EXCEPT to re-load
the same OS to the PC it lives on
now. I believe I am now part of some large 'Activated' database at M$. Fine.
I am licensed to use the M$ code from the DVDs and any follow on support
services. I own the DVDs and the
package only.

Does M$ have a 'De-Activation process' should I decide to install this
W8.1 code on a different PC that I own?

No, I have no plan to sell my W8.1 (full version 32/64) to anyone else.

Thank you for any comments/suggestions you choose to share.
Duncan

Re: [H] Win 8.1pro (working)??

2014-05-23 Thread DSinc


OK. 6hrs of googling 'How to deactivate Windows' ended with failure.
So I put my 64bit W8.1 PRO DVD in the reader and launched it. Yes,
it did warn me, but it did format my SSD again (finally!). And, the 
installer
continued to install W8.1 PRO,or, so I thought. I thought I 
might get
though this task cleanly. NOPE! M$ stalls at me creating a Microsoft 
Account
and, I can not get past this. I do NOT wish to create this. M$ does not 
let me
optout, say NO!, bypass, etc. I do not care what benefits M$ may offer. 
I do not

want to playjust to use their SW. Slimy BS to me. JMHO.
The PC is now fully down. I may try and install W7 
PRO..still have those

copies!
Duncan

My frustration is now complete.
On 05/23/2014 08:49, DSinc wrote:

Thanks Vincent,
I sorta agree with your comments, although I've only seen one version of
IE11 (which I do not use). Do you mean one version for desktop (my use),
and a second version for tablet use?
I will google about how to de-activate my current w8.1 install (full 
version).
Then I can install my w8.1 PRO OS version. I have very little data to 
miss just now.
I am still peeking/poking around figuring w8.1 out. It is very 
scrambled up!

Duncan

On 05/22/2014 20:24, Vincent Winterling wrote:
According to my understanding of the EULA, if you have deactivated a 
Windows
system and it's not an OEM version, you are free to install it on 
another

machine.

If you run 8.1 from the desktop which is now easy to do (and get the 8.1
update) you'll find a very stable OS that has more options than before
(e.g., capacity for use with touch devices). And while I acknowledge 
I might

be the crazy 1% that actually likes Windows 8.1, it runs fine here on
several machines.

That said, it also has it's failings. The 2 versions of IE are stupid.

On balance, I have to say my daughter uses 8.1 from the touch screen 
almost

completely and she likes it. She rarely uses the desktop.

Vincent Winterling
Vineland, NJ

-Original Message-
From: Hardware [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On 
Behalf

Of DSinc
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 11:31 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Win 8.1pro (working)??

Collective,
OK. Let me ask another question. I purchased, opened the package, and,
installed Windows 8.1 (64bit).
It seems to run very stable, if still very confusing to me atm. I will
get over this, thank you.
Yes, I did also activate this install; so I believe that M$ now knows
that one of my PCs is now using W8.1.
Fine.  I also know that I can not re-use my DVDs again EXCEPT to re-load
the same OS to the PC it lives on
now. I believe I am now part of some large 'Activated' database at 
M$. Fine.

I am licensed to use the M$ code from the DVDs and any follow on support
services. I own the DVDs and the
package only.

Does M$ have a 'De-Activation process' should I decide to install this
W8.1 code on a different PC that I own?

No, I have no plan to sell my W8.1 (full version 32/64) to anyone else.

Thank you for any comments/suggestions you choose to share.
Duncan

Re: [H] Win 8.1pro (working)??

2014-05-23 Thread Bobby Heid

Trying to go from memory here.  Select create account.  Then on the screen
it takes you to, there is a link there to not use an account (or not create
one or something like that).

Bobby

-Original Message-
From: Hardware [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf
Of DSinc
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 3:07 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Win 8.1pro (working)??

OK. 6hrs of googling 'How to deactivate Windows' ended with failure.
So I put my 64bit W8.1 PRO DVD in the reader and launched it. Yes,
it did warn me, but it did format my SSD again (finally!). And, the 
installer
continued to install W8.1 PRO,or, so I thought. I thought I 
might get
though this task cleanly. NOPE! M$ stalls at me creating a Microsoft 
Account
and, I can not get past this. I do NOT wish to create this. M$ does not 
let me
optout, say NO!, bypass, etc. I do not care what benefits M$ may offer. 
I do not
want to playjust to use their SW. Slimy BS to me. JMHO.
The PC is now fully down. I may try and install W7 
PRO..still have those
copies!
Duncan

My frustration is now complete.
On 05/23/2014 08:49, DSinc wrote:
 Thanks Vincent,
 I sorta agree with your comments, although I've only seen one version of
 IE11 (which I do not use). Do you mean one version for desktop (my use),
 and a second version for tablet use?
 I will google about how to de-activate my current w8.1 install (full 
 version).
 Then I can install my w8.1 PRO OS version. I have very little data to 
 miss just now.
 I am still peeking/poking around figuring w8.1 out. It is very 
 scrambled up!
 Duncan

 On 05/22/2014 20:24, Vincent Winterling wrote:
 According to my understanding of the EULA, if you have deactivated a 
 Windows
 system and it's not an OEM version, you are free to install it on 
 another
 machine.

 If you run 8.1 from the desktop which is now easy to do (and get the 8.1
 update) you'll find a very stable OS that has more options than before
 (e.g., capacity for use with touch devices). And while I acknowledge 
 I might
 be the crazy 1% that actually likes Windows 8.1, it runs fine here on
 several machines.

 That said, it also has it's failings. The 2 versions of IE are stupid.

 On balance, I have to say my daughter uses 8.1 from the touch screen 
 almost
 completely and she likes it. She rarely uses the desktop.

 Vincent Winterling
 Vineland, NJ

 -Original Message-
 From: Hardware [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On 
 Behalf
 Of DSinc
 Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 11:31 AM
 To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
 Subject: Re: [H] Win 8.1pro (working)??

 Collective,
 OK. Let me ask another question. I purchased, opened the package, and,
 installed Windows 8.1 (64bit).
 It seems to run very stable, if still very confusing to me atm. I will
 get over this, thank you.
 Yes, I did also activate this install; so I believe that M$ now knows
 that one of my PCs is now using W8.1.
 Fine.  I also know that I can not re-use my DVDs again EXCEPT to re-load
 the same OS to the PC it lives on
 now. I believe I am now part of some large 'Activated' database at 
 M$. Fine.
 I am licensed to use the M$ code from the DVDs and any follow on support
 services. I own the DVDs and the
 package only.

 Does M$ have a 'De-Activation process' should I decide to install this
 W8.1 code on a different PC that I own?

 No, I have no plan to sell my W8.1 (full version 32/64) to anyone else.

 Thank you for any comments/suggestions you choose to share.
 Duncan

Re: [H] Win 8.1pro (working)??

2014-05-23 Thread DSinc


Bobby,
Thanks so much for your share. Understand. I do not wish to
CREATE an account. I just wish to load and use the SW I have.
Gave up on Win8.1PRO due to the MS Account business.
Now, I am trying Win7PRO, but my DVD reader has now crashed
(and it was brand new?). One thing after another.
One day I may get there.
Duncan


On 05/23/2014 16:22, Bobby Heid wrote:

Trying to go from memory here.  Select create account.  Then on the screen
it takes you to, there is a link there to not use an account (or not create
one or something like that).

Bobby

-Original Message-
From: Hardware [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf
Of DSinc
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 3:07 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Win 8.1pro (working)??

OK. 6hrs of googling 'How to deactivate Windows' ended with failure.
So I put my 64bit W8.1 PRO DVD in the reader and launched it. Yes,
it did warn me, but it did format my SSD again (finally!). And, the
installer
continued to install W8.1 PRO,or, so I thought. I thought I
might get
though this task cleanly. NOPE! M$ stalls at me creating a Microsoft
Account
and, I can not get past this. I do NOT wish to create this. M$ does not
let me
optout, say NO!, bypass, etc. I do not care what benefits M$ may offer.
I do not
want to playjust to use their SW. Slimy BS to me. JMHO.
The PC is now fully down. I may try and install W7
PRO..still have those
copies!
Duncan

My frustration is now complete.
On 05/23/2014 08:49, DSinc wrote:

Thanks Vincent,
I sorta agree with your comments, although I've only seen one version of
IE11 (which I do not use). Do you mean one version for desktop (my use),
and a second version for tablet use?
I will google about how to de-activate my current w8.1 install (full
version).
Then I can install my w8.1 PRO OS version. I have very little data to
miss just now.
I am still peeking/poking around figuring w8.1 out. It is very
scrambled up!
Duncan

On 05/22/2014 20:24, Vincent Winterling wrote:

According to my understanding of the EULA, if you have deactivated a
Windows
system and it's not an OEM version, you are free to install it on
another
machine.

If you run 8.1 from the desktop which is now easy to do (and get the 8.1
update) you'll find a very stable OS that has more options than before
(e.g., capacity for use with touch devices). And while I acknowledge
I might
be the crazy 1% that actually likes Windows 8.1, it runs fine here on
several machines.

That said, it also has it's failings. The 2 versions of IE are stupid.

On balance, I have to say my daughter uses 8.1 from the touch screen
almost
completely and she likes it. She rarely uses the desktop.

Vincent Winterling
Vineland, NJ

-Original Message-
From: Hardware [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On
Behalf
Of DSinc
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 11:31 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Win 8.1pro (working)??

Collective,
OK. Let me ask another question. I purchased, opened the package, and,
installed Windows 8.1 (64bit).
It seems to run very stable, if still very confusing to me atm. I will
get over this, thank you.
Yes, I did also activate this install; so I believe that M$ now knows
that one of my PCs is now using W8.1.
Fine.  I also know that I can not re-use my DVDs again EXCEPT to re-load
the same OS to the PC it lives on
now. I believe I am now part of some large 'Activated' database at
M$. Fine.
I am licensed to use the M$ code from the DVDs and any follow on support
services. I own the DVDs and the
package only.

Does M$ have a 'De-Activation process' should I decide to install this
W8.1 code on a different PC that I own?

No, I have no plan to sell my W8.1 (full version 32/64) to anyone else.

Thank you for any comments/suggestions you choose to share.
Duncan

Re: [H] Win 8.1pro (working)??

2014-05-23 Thread Jamie Furtner

Duncan, look at this:
http://superuser.com/questions/661416/how-to-install-upgrade-to-windows-8-1-rtm-without-a-microsoft-account/661592#661592

It doesn't make sense, but what Bobby is saying is correct - you start
by selecting Create an account and on the creation screen is the skip
option (at the bottom, Sign in without a Microsoft account). As a
guess Microsoft wants to push everyone to use a Microsoft account
instead so hiding it makes sense from that perspective, but I think it
should be on the previous screen.

Jamie

On 2014-05-23 6:10 PM, DSinc wrote:
Bobby,
Thanks so much for your share. Understand. I do not wish to
CREATE an account. I just wish to load and use the SW I have.
Gave up on Win8.1PRO due to the MS Account business.
Now, I am trying Win7PRO, but my DVD reader has now crashed
(and it was brand new?). One thing after another.
One day I may get there.
Duncan

On 05/23/2014 16:22, Bobby Heid wrote:
Trying to go from memory here. Select create account. Then on the
screen
it takes you to, there is a link there to not use an account (or not
create
one or something like that).

Bobby

-Original Message-
From: Hardware [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On
Behalf
Of DSinc
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 3:07 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Win 8.1pro (working)??

OK. 6hrs of googling 'How to deactivate Windows' ended with failure.
So I put my 64bit W8.1 PRO DVD in the reader and launched it. Yes,
it did warn me, but it did format my SSD again (finally!). And, the
installer
continued to install W8.1 PRO,or, so I thought. I thought I
might get
though this task cleanly. NOPE! M$ stalls at me creating a Microsoft
Account
and, I can not get past this. I do NOT wish to create this. M$ does not
let me
optout, say NO!, bypass, etc. I do not care what benefits M$ may offer.
I do not
want to playjust to use their SW. Slimy BS to me. JMHO.
The PC is now fully down. I may try and install W7
PRO..still have those
copies!
Duncan

My frustration is now complete.
On 05/23/2014 08:49, DSinc wrote:
Thanks Vincent,
I sorta agree with your comments, although I've only seen one
version of
IE11 (which I do not use). Do you mean one version for desktop (my
use),
and a second version for tablet use?
I will google about how to de-activate my current w8.1 install (full
version).
Then I can install my w8.1 PRO OS version. I have very little data to
miss just now.
I am still peeking/poking around figuring w8.1 out. It is very
scrambled up!
Duncan

On 05/22/2014 20:24, Vincent Winterling wrote:
According to my understanding of the EULA, if you have deactivated a
Windows
system and it's not an OEM version, you are free to install it on
another
machine.

If you run 8.1 from the desktop which is now easy to do (and get
the 8.1
update) you'll find a very stable OS that has more options than before
(e.g., capacity for use with touch devices). And while I acknowledge
I might
be the crazy 1% that actually likes Windows 8.1, it runs fine here on
several machines.

That said, it also has it's failings. The 2 versions of IE are stupid.

On balance, I have to say my daughter uses 8.1 from the touch screen
almost
completely and she likes it. She rarely uses the desktop.

Vincent Winterling
Vineland, NJ

-Original Message-
From: Hardware [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On
Behalf
Of DSinc
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 11:31 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Win 8.1pro (working)??

Collective,
OK. Let me ask another question. I purchased, opened the package, and,
installed Windows 8.1 (64bit).
It seems to run very stable, if still very confusing to me atm. I will
get over this, thank you.
Yes, I did also activate this install; so I believe that M$ now
knows
that one of my PCs is now using W8.1.
Fine. I also know that I can not re-use my DVDs again EXCEPT to
re-load
the same OS to the PC it lives on
now. I believe I am now part of some large 'Activated' database at
M$. Fine.
I am licensed to use the M$ code from the DVDs and any follow on
support
services. I own the DVDs and the
package only.

Does M$ have a 'De-Activation process' should I decide to install this
W8.1 code on a different PC that I own?

No, I have no plan to sell my W8.1 (full version 32/64) to anyone
else.

Thank you for any comments/suggestions you choose to share.
Duncan

--
Jamie Furtner ja...@furtner.ca

Re: [H] Win 8.1pro (working)??

2014-05-22 Thread DSinc


Collective,
OK. Let me ask another question. I purchased, opened the package, and, 
installed Windows 8.1 (64bit).
It seems to run very stable, if still very confusing to me atm. I will 
get over this, thank you.
Yes, I did also activate this install; so I believe that M$ now knows 
that one of my PCs is now using W8.1.
Fine.  I also know that I can not re-use my DVDs again EXCEPT to re-load 
the same OS to the PC it lives on

now. I believe I am now part of some large 'Activated' database at M$. Fine.
I am licensed to use the M$ code from the DVDs and any follow on support 
services. I own the DVDs and the

package only.

Does M$ have a 'De-Activation process' should I decide to install this 
W8.1 code on a different PC that I own?


No, I have no plan to sell my W8.1 (full version 32/64) to anyone else.

Thank you for any comments/suggestions you choose to share.
Duncan

On 05/20/2014 19:09, DSinc wrote:

Winterlight,
good thought. I may do that. Do you have a direct phone number? I do not.
Never been in this bind before
Again, I have zero problem doing another format followed by an install 
of Win 8.1 PRO.
I care little for the 'activation' of Win8.1 (plain) that M$ graced me 
with.
Yes, I will be grumpy if M$ never allows me to use my 02/27/14 DVD's 
ever againon a
different PC. Let's just say that I sorta understand M$'s control. 
But, I am still confused.
If my initial use of the wrong OS sw permanently kills any further use 
of the DVD's code,

then I am now deeply disappointed with M$.
Best,
Duncan


Duncan

On 05/20/2014 18:44, Winterlight wrote:


why don't you contact MS and ask them? You can verify your key with 
them... You can activate with them... you can buy the key from  them.


At 03:36 PM 5/20/2014, you wrote:

Tim,
Please re-read below, it does NOT work. M$ says I can not use that 
key(the 8.1 PRO key) to activate.

I'll hold and wait for other opinions/suggestions.
Thanks,
Duncan

On 05/20/2014 16:55, Beave wrote:

If you have the pro version key you can just enter it in.
On May 20, 2014 1:43 PM, DSinc dsinc...@epbfi.com wrote:


Tim,
I will look at your link. But, if there is any $$$ involved I am not
really interested.

BTW, I just tried your suggestion to update the product key from 
the System

page. This FAILED with the msg:
This key can't be used to activate this edition of Windows. 
Please try

another.
The key I used was packed with my new Windows 8.1 PRO sw. DOH!

Am I allowed to De-Activate a previous install of Windows 8.1 and 
still

retain
ownership or re-activation of the 'old' 8.1 OS sw at a later date?
Otherwise, I will drop the 'old 8.1' OS DVD's in my shredder and 
just move

on
into the future. M$ truly has this 'activation' business truly locked
down. I don't
mind. I just to get to where I choose to be.

As I wrote, I don't have trouble doing a format of the SSD again and
starting all over.
I sorta expected this hoop-jumping 
anyway. :)

Duncan

On 05/20/2014 16:15, Tim Lider wrote:


Duncan,

Give this a try:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/feature-packs

You can upgrade on the fly.  It's like Windows 7's Anytime Upgrade.

Regards,

Tim Lider

Sent from:
Intel i7-2600K Running at 4.35GHz with 16GB of PC3 RAM running at 
1,620MHz

Boot HD WD3000HLHX 300GB VelociRaptor 10k rpm HD.


  -Original Message-

From: Hardware [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On
Behalf Of DSinc
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 11:31 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Win 8.1pro??

Tim,
OK, but I'll wait for other impressions. Ultimately, I figure I can
just format the SSD and start from scratch. No real data to 
worry about

atm!
Duncan

On 05/20/2014 12:31, Tim Lider wrote:


Hello Duncan,

I think you can change the product key and it should work. Not 
sure

though.


Regards,

Tim Lider

  -Original Message-
From: Hardware 
[mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On

Behalf Of DSinc
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 8:25 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Win 8.1pro??

Tim,
Thank you for the share! Yes, I have seen this view. OK. Now, 
I get

my confusion. I have loaded/activated plain old Win8.1-64bit.
The large blue font in the upper-right must refer to the 
'Windows 8'

series (Win8.0-Win 8.9). At least that is how I read this.
Two days ago the postman delivered my replacement OS box.
It is labeled Windows 8.1 PRO (full version).

So, now the question is: Can I use the 64-bit DVD to 'upgrade' to
Win8.1 PRO, or, should I just hope that the DVD asks to format 
the

SSD
(C:\) and just start over again fresh. I will only loose my FF
browser and my Eset AV install (fully backed up to NAS!
Thanks again,
Duncan
On 05/19/2014 11:11, Tim Lider wrote:


OK. Try this:

http://www.adv-data.com/beave/sswin81.png

Regards,

Tim Lider

Sent from:
Intel i7-2600K Running at 4.35GHz with 16GB of PC3 RAM 
running at

1,620MHz Boot HD WD3000HLHX 300GB VelociRaptor 10k rpm

Re: [H] Win 8.1pro (working)??

2014-05-22 Thread Vincent Winterling

According to my understanding of the EULA, if you have deactivated a Windows
system and it's not an OEM version, you are free to install it on another
machine.

If you run 8.1 from the desktop which is now easy to do (and get the 8.1
update) you'll find a very stable OS that has more options than before
(e.g., capacity for use with touch devices). And while I acknowledge I might
be the crazy 1% that actually likes Windows 8.1, it runs fine here on
several machines.

That said, it also has it's failings. The 2 versions of IE are stupid.

On balance, I have to say my daughter uses 8.1 from the touch screen almost
completely and she likes it. She rarely uses the desktop.

Vincent Winterling
Vineland, NJ

-Original Message-
From: Hardware [mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf
Of DSinc
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 11:31 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Win 8.1pro (working)??

Collective,
OK. Let me ask another question. I purchased, opened the package, and, 
installed Windows 8.1 (64bit).
It seems to run very stable, if still very confusing to me atm. I will 
get over this, thank you.
Yes, I did also activate this install; so I believe that M$ now knows 
that one of my PCs is now using W8.1.
Fine.  I also know that I can not re-use my DVDs again EXCEPT to re-load 
the same OS to the PC it lives on
now. I believe I am now part of some large 'Activated' database at M$. Fine.
I am licensed to use the M$ code from the DVDs and any follow on support 
services. I own the DVDs and the
package only.

Does M$ have a 'De-Activation process' should I decide to install this 
W8.1 code on a different PC that I own?

No, I have no plan to sell my W8.1 (full version 32/64) to anyone else.

Thank you for any comments/suggestions you choose to share.
Duncan

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