Re: [H] iPad

[Anthony Q. Martin]

How does it feel in your hand?  Also, which version did you get?

On 4/3/2010 9:28 PM, Hunter, Gary wrote:

Hi,

So who else got their iPad today?

What are the must have apps and the ones to avoid?

I am impressed so far. The battery life is very good. I am still not
below 70% left with 4 hours solid use.

Yes it might just be a big iPod touch but I travel a lot and using this
as an entertainment system on the plane will be nice. At the moment I
have been using my Motorola Milestone and the bigger screen will be
great.

Re: [H] iPad

[Bino Gopal]

The WiFi is the only model available now-3G comes out later this month.  Apple 
might've sold 700,000 of them this weekend:

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=am73cOKlv68s

 

BINO

 

--

My Thought for the Day - Expecting life to treat you well because you are a 
good person is like expecting an angry bull not to charge because you are a 
vegetarian.


 
> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 08:32:28 -0400
> From: amar...@charter.net
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] iPad
> 
> How does it feel in your hand? Also, which version did you get?
> 
> On 4/3/2010 9:28 PM, Hunter, Gary wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > So who else got their iPad today?
> >
> > What are the must have apps and the ones to avoid?
> >
> > I am impressed so far. The battery life is very good. I am still not
> > below 70% left with 4 hours solid use.
> >
> > Yes it might just be a big iPod touch but I travel a lot and using this
> > as an entertainment system on the plane will be nice. At the moment I
> > have been using my Motorola Milestone and the bigger screen will be
> > great.
> >
  

Re: [H] iPad

[Hunter, Gary]

I got the 64GB wifi version the 3G version is not out yet. 

It feels very tactile, It's a great multimedia device. The games are good as 
well. Need For Speed was very impressive.

The big downside is it won't charge on a PC USB socket. It needs a Mac or use 
the wall charger !!! That has pissed me off more than anything. Everything 
else is great. My wife who is not normally a gadget person can't put it down :)

I can see a need for a 4G version with a camera. Hopefully that will be out 
before chrstimas.

Gary Hunter 
Consulting Engineer
Travelport GDS
T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035 
M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965 
E: gary.hun...@travelport.com
SITA: HDQOK1G
Travelport Product Development Center
6901 S Havana St
Centennial, CO  80112


-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com 
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 6:32 AM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] iPad

How does it feel in your hand?  Also, which version did you get?

On 4/3/2010 9:28 PM, Hunter, Gary wrote:
> Hi,
>
> So who else got their iPad today?
>
> What are the must have apps and the ones to avoid?
>
> I am impressed so far. The battery life is very good. I am still not
> below 70% left with 4 hours solid use.
>
> Yes it might just be a big iPod touch but I travel a lot and using this
> as an entertainment system on the plane will be nice. At the moment I
> have been using my Motorola Milestone and the bigger screen will be
> great.
>
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Re: [H] iPad

[Brian Weeden]

The problem is that the iPad battery is so powerful that it needs more  
current to charge than most other devices.  Not all USB ports are  
designed to provide that much power.


So AFAIK it's not some dastardly plot by apple.

---
Brian

Sent from my iPhone

On 2010-04-04, at 5:05 PM, "Hunter, Gary"   
wrote:



I got the 64GB wifi version the 3G version is not out yet.

It feels very tactile, It's a great multimedia device. The games are  
good as well. Need For Speed was very impressive.


The big downside is it won't charge on a PC USB socket. It needs a  
Mac or use the wall charger !!! That has pissed me off more than  
anything. Everything else is great. My wife who is not normally a  
gadget person can't put it down :)


I can see a need for a 4G version with a camera. Hopefully that will  
be out before chrstimas.


Gary Hunter
Consulting Engineer
Travelport GDS
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M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965
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-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware- 
boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin

Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 6:32 AM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] iPad

How does it feel in your hand?  Also, which version did you get?

On 4/3/2010 9:28 PM, Hunter, Gary wrote:

Hi,

So who else got their iPad today?

What are the must have apps and the ones to avoid?

I am impressed so far. The battery life is very good. I am still not
below 70% left with 4 hours solid use.

Yes it might just be a big iPod touch but I travel a lot and using  
this

as an entertainment system on the plane will be nice. At the moment I
have been using my Motorola Milestone and the bigger screen will be
great.

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Re: [H] iPad

[Hunter, Gary]

You are correct, but they could of added a cable that plugs into two USB ports 
to pull more power!


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[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 4:33 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Cc: 
Subject: Re: [H] iPad

The problem is that the iPad battery is so powerful that it needs more  
current to charge than most other devices.  Not all USB ports are  
designed to provide that much power.

So AFAIK it's not some dastardly plot by apple.

---
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Re: [H] iPad

[maccrawj]

Hehe, even with the "new spec" for charging the iPad exceeds the spec by 1W. Leave it 
to apple to frak with things!


+1 for putting it out, +2 to who ever refines it & is not apple!

1984? Naw, 2008, the year that Mac became the next True Blue PC forcing the market 
back to a single hardware vendor.



On 4/4/2010 4:22 PM, Hunter, Gary wrote:

You are correct, but they could of added a cable that plugs into two USB ports 
to pull more power!


Gary Hunter
Consulting Engineer
Travelport GDS
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E: gary.hun...@travelport.com
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-Original Message-
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[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 4:33 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Cc:
Subject: Re: [H] iPad

The problem is that the iPad battery is so powerful that it needs more
current to charge than most other devices.  Not all USB ports are
designed to provide that much power.

So AFAIK it's not some dastardly plot by apple.

---
Brian

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Re: [H] iPad

[Scott Sipe]

So does it charge on a PC if the USB can handle it?

Scott

On Apr 4, 2010, at 6:33 PM, Brian Weeden wrote:

> The problem is that the iPad battery is so powerful that it needs more 
> current to charge than most other devices.  Not all USB ports are designed to 
> provide that much power.
> 
> So AFAIK it's not some dastardly plot by apple.
> 
> ---
> Brian
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 2010-04-04, at 5:05 PM, "Hunter, Gary"  wrote:
> 
>> I got the 64GB wifi version the 3G version is not out yet.
>> 
>> It feels very tactile, It's a great multimedia device. The games are good as 
>> well. Need For Speed was very impressive.
>> 
>> The big downside is it won't charge on a PC USB socket. It needs a Mac or 
>> use the wall charger !!! That has pissed me off more than anything. 
>> Everything else is great. My wife who is not normally a gadget person can't 
>> put it down :)
>> 
>> I can see a need for a 4G version with a camera. Hopefully that will be out 
>> before chrstimas.
>> 
>> Gary Hunter
>> Consulting Engineer
>> Travelport GDS
>> T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035
>> M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965
>> E: gary.hun...@travelport.com
>> SITA: HDQOK1G
>> Travelport Product Development Center
>> 6901 S Havana St
>> Centennial, CO  80112
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com 
>> [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin
>> Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 6:32 AM
>> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
>> Subject: Re: [H] iPad
>> 
>> How does it feel in your hand?  Also, which version did you get?
>> 
>> On 4/3/2010 9:28 PM, Hunter, Gary wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> So who else got their iPad today?
>>> 
>>> What are the must have apps and the ones to avoid?
>>> 
>>> I am impressed so far. The battery life is very good. I am still not
>>> below 70% left with 4 hours solid use.
>>> 
>>> Yes it might just be a big iPod touch but I travel a lot and using this
>>> as an entertainment system on the plane will be nice. At the moment I
>>> have been using my Motorola Milestone and the bigger screen will be
>>> great.
>>> 
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Re: [H] iPad

[Anthony Q. Martin]

I've had Windows pop up a message using that my WD Passport wouldn't 
work in a USB port since it required too much power.  I moved it to a 
"native" port and it worked fine.


On 4/4/2010 9:02 PM, Scott Sipe wrote:

So does it charge on a PC if the USB can handle it?

Scott

On Apr 4, 2010, at 6:33 PM, Brian Weeden wrote:

   

The problem is that the iPad battery is so powerful that it needs more current 
to charge than most other devices.  Not all USB ports are designed to provide 
that much power.

So AFAIK it's not some dastardly plot by apple.

---
Brian

Sent from my iPhone

On 2010-04-04, at 5:05 PM, "Hunter, Gary"  wrote:

 

I got the 64GB wifi version the 3G version is not out yet.

It feels very tactile, It's a great multimedia device. The games are good as 
well. Need For Speed was very impressive.

The big downside is it won't charge on a PC USB socket. It needs a Mac or use 
the wall charger !!! That has pissed me off more than anything. Everything 
else is great. My wife who is not normally a gadget person can't put it down :)

I can see a need for a 4G version with a camera. Hopefully that will be out 
before chrstimas.

Gary Hunter
Consulting Engineer
Travelport GDS
T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035
M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965
E: gary.hun...@travelport.com
SITA: HDQOK1G
Travelport Product Development Center
6901 S Havana St
Centennial, CO  80112


-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com 
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 6:32 AM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] iPad

How does it feel in your hand?  Also, which version did you get?

On 4/3/2010 9:28 PM, Hunter, Gary wrote:
   

Hi,

So who else got their iPad today?

What are the must have apps and the ones to avoid?

I am impressed so far. The battery life is very good. I am still not
below 70% left with 4 hours solid use.

Yes it might just be a big iPod touch but I travel a lot and using this
as an entertainment system on the plane will be nice. At the moment I
have been using my Motorola Milestone and the bigger screen will be
great.

 

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Re: [H] iPad

[Hunter, Gary]

Gary Hunter 
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Travelport GDS
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[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Scott Sipe
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 7:03 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] iPad

So does it charge on a PC if the USB can handle it?

Scott

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Re: [H] iPad

[Hunter, Gary]

I haven't seen any reports on a working PC charge yet.

Another annoyance is the docking base. If it needs so much USB power why don't 
they give that a separate PSU and just use the USB as a data link. I am feeling 
I wasted $30 on the dock.

I know I have complained a lot but on the whole the iPad is a good experience.


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-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com 
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Scott Sipe
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 7:03 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] iPad

So does it charge on a PC if the USB can handle it?

Scott
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Re: [H] iPad

[Brian Weeden]

Gotta love Apple's version of the "razor and blades" strategy with all those
"must-have" accessories, Apps, and content (music and video).  Except in
Apple's case, they make a ton of money on BOTH the razor and the blades.

---
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Technical Advisor
Secure World Foundation <http://www.secureworldfoundation.org>
+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
+1 (202) 683-8534 US


On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Hunter, Gary wrote:

> I haven't seen any reports on a working PC charge yet.
>
> Another annoyance is the docking base. If it needs so much USB power why
> don't they give that a separate PSU and just use the USB as a data link. I
> am feeling I wasted $30 on the dock.
>
> I know I have complained a lot but on the whole the iPad is a good
> experience.
>
>
> Gary Hunter
> Consulting Engineer
> Travelport GDS
> T: (+1) 303 - 397 - 5035
> M:(+1) 720 - 231 - 0965
> E: gary.hun...@travelport.com
> SITA: HDQOK1G
> Travelport Product Development Center
> 6901 S Havana St
> Centennial, CO  80112
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Scott Sipe
> Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 7:03 PM
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] iPad
>
> So does it charge on a PC if the USB can handle it?
>
> Scott
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Re: [H] iPad

[maccrawj]

Which is exactly why I'd never buy in, even if I needed it, too much of a 
monopoly.


On 4/5/2010 7:23 AM, Brian Weeden wrote:

Gotta love Apple's version of the "razor and blades" strategy with all those
"must-have" accessories, Apps, and content (music and video).  Except in
Apple's case, they make a ton of money on BOTH the razor and the blades.

Re: [H] iPad

[Anthony Q. Martin]

What monopoly?  Apple's products don't represent any kind of 
monopoly...it's just apple product specific..


On 4/7/2010 11:25 AM, maccrawj wrote:
Which is exactly why I'd never buy in, even if I needed it, too much 
of a monopoly.



On 4/5/2010 7:23 AM, Brian Weeden wrote:
Gotta love Apple's version of the "razor and blades" strategy with 
all those

"must-have" accessories, Apps, and content (music and video).  Except in
Apple's case, they make a ton of money on BOTH the razor and the blades.




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Re: [H] iPad

[Brian Weeden]

Yep, monopoly is the wrong word.  Lots of other people make tablets, phones,
mp3 players, and have online music services, with various degrees of market
share.

"Close ecosystem" or "walled garden" are probably more appropriate.

---
Brian Weeden
Technical Advisor
Secure World Foundation 
+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
+1 (202) 683-8534 US


On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:

> What monopoly?  Apple's products don't represent any kind of
> monopoly...it's just apple product specific..
>
>
> On 4/7/2010 11:25 AM, maccrawj wrote:
>
>> Which is exactly why I'd never buy in, even if I needed it, too much of a
>> monopoly.
>>
>>
>> On 4/5/2010 7:23 AM, Brian Weeden wrote:
>>
>>> Gotta love Apple's version of the "razor and blades" strategy with all
>>> those
>>> "must-have" accessories, Apps, and content (music and video).  Except in
>>> Apple's case, they make a ton of money on BOTH the razor and the blades.
>>>
>>>
>>
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>

Re: [H] iPad

[maccrawj]

When the market get's behind them as the defacto choice, the are a monopoly. Same 
goes for their PC's, after all who makes hardware than runs OSX besides Apple?


If all the app development and content ends up primaryily or even solely supporting 
this device we have a real issue. Kindle is in the same boat IMHO. We need to 
decouple the hardware, OS, and content so that no one company controls more than 1.


On 4/7/2010 8:45 AM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:

What monopoly?  Apple's products don't represent any kind of
monopoly...it's just apple product specific..

On 4/7/2010 11:25 AM, maccrawj wrote:

Which is exactly why I'd never buy in, even if I needed it, too much
of a monopoly.


On 4/5/2010 7:23 AM, Brian Weeden wrote:

Gotta love Apple's version of the "razor and blades" strategy with
all those
"must-have" accessories, Apps, and content (music and video). Except in
Apple's case, they make a ton of money on BOTH the razor and the blades.




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Re: [H] iPad

[Brian Weeden]

It depends on definitions.  If you define the market as OSX, then of course
Apple has a monopoly.  But if you define the market as laptops, then there
isn't any monopoly.

---
Brian Weeden
Technical Advisor
Secure World Foundation 
+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
+1 (202) 683-8534 US


On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:17 PM, maccrawj  wrote:

> When the market get's behind them as the defacto choice, the are a
> monopoly. Same goes for their PC's, after all who makes hardware than runs
> OSX besides Apple?
>
> If all the app development and content ends up primaryily or even solely
> supporting this device we have a real issue. Kindle is in the same boat
> IMHO. We need to decouple the hardware, OS, and content so that no one
> company controls more than 1.
>
>
> On 4/7/2010 8:45 AM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
>
>> What monopoly?  Apple's products don't represent any kind of
>> monopoly...it's just apple product specific..
>>
>> On 4/7/2010 11:25 AM, maccrawj wrote:
>>
>>> Which is exactly why I'd never buy in, even if I needed it, too much
>>> of a monopoly.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/5/2010 7:23 AM, Brian Weeden wrote:
>>>
 Gotta love Apple's version of the "razor and blades" strategy with
 all those
 "must-have" accessories, Apps, and content (music and video). Except in
 Apple's case, they make a ton of money on BOTH the razor and the blades.


>>>
>>> No virus found in this incoming message.
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>>> 04/07/10 02:32:00
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [H] iPad

[maccrawj]

True, but choices would dry up if OSX manages to gain enough market share. Since the 
buying public is mostly non-technical this is a real issue as their buying choices 
could force such a condition.


It's not enough to academically discuss the definition of monopoly, one has to look 
at the real world implications of it.


On 4/7/2010 9:22 AM, Brian Weeden wrote:

It depends on definitions.  If you define the market as OSX, then of course
Apple has a monopoly.  But if you define the market as laptops, then there
isn't any monopoly.

---
Brian Weeden
Technical Advisor
Secure World Foundation
+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
+1 (202) 683-8534 US


On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:17 PM, maccrawj  wrote:


When the market get's behind them as the defacto choice, the are a
monopoly. Same goes for their PC's, after all who makes hardware than runs
OSX besides Apple?

If all the app development and content ends up primaryily or even solely
supporting this device we have a real issue. Kindle is in the same boat
IMHO. We need to decouple the hardware, OS, and content so that no one
company controls more than 1.


On 4/7/2010 8:45 AM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:


What monopoly?  Apple's products don't represent any kind of
monopoly...it's just apple product specific..

On 4/7/2010 11:25 AM, maccrawj wrote:


Which is exactly why I'd never buy in, even if I needed it, too much
of a monopoly.


On 4/5/2010 7:23 AM, Brian Weeden wrote:


Gotta love Apple's version of the "razor and blades" strategy with
all those
"must-have" accessories, Apps, and content (music and video). Except in
Apple's case, they make a ton of money on BOTH the razor and the blades.




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Re: [H] iPad

[Anthony Q. Martin]

How can you say such about a Kindle?  I can read my Kindle stuff on 1) 
my PC, 2) My phone, 3) my iPod, 4) on the iPad if I had one.  Then there 
are other ebooks.


There is no monopoly with Apple.  Anyone can get in on the App writing. 
Even third parties can develop stuff for it, like covers, etc. The few 
Apple-specific accessories don't amount to beans.


To talk about monopoly here is basically to no want anyone leading the 
way in terms of innovation.


On 4/7/2010 12:17 PM, maccrawj wrote:
When the market get's behind them as the defacto choice, the are a 
monopoly. Same goes for their PC's, after all who makes hardware than 
runs OSX besides Apple?


If all the app development and content ends up primaryily or even 
solely supporting this device we have a real issue. Kindle is in the 
same boat IMHO. We need to decouple the hardware, OS, and content so 
that no one company controls more than 1.


On 4/7/2010 8:45 AM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:

What monopoly?  Apple's products don't represent any kind of
monopoly...it's just apple product specific..

On 4/7/2010 11:25 AM, maccrawj wrote:

Which is exactly why I'd never buy in, even if I needed it, too much
of a monopoly.


On 4/5/2010 7:23 AM, Brian Weeden wrote:

Gotta love Apple's version of the "razor and blades" strategy with
all those
"must-have" accessories, Apps, and content (music and video). 
Except in
Apple's case, they make a ton of money on BOTH the razor and the 
blades.





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Re: [H] iPad

[Anthony Q. Martin]

But choices haven't dried up because they don't have enough market share 
and likely never will.  Real-world implications need to exist, not be 
speculated about based on what could possibly happen.


On 4/7/2010 12:34 PM, maccrawj wrote:
True, but choices would dry up if OSX manages to gain enough market 
share. Since the buying public is mostly non-technical this is a real 
issue as their buying choices could force such a condition.


It's not enough to academically discuss the definition of monopoly, 
one has to look at the real world implications of it.


On 4/7/2010 9:22 AM, Brian Weeden wrote:
It depends on definitions.  If you define the market as OSX, then of 
course
Apple has a monopoly.  But if you define the market as laptops, then 
there

isn't any monopoly.

---
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Technical Advisor
Secure World Foundation
+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
+1 (202) 683-8534 US


On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:17 PM, maccrawj  wrote:


When the market get's behind them as the defacto choice, the are a
monopoly. Same goes for their PC's, after all who makes hardware 
than runs

OSX besides Apple?

If all the app development and content ends up primaryily or even 
solely

supporting this device we have a real issue. Kindle is in the same boat
IMHO. We need to decouple the hardware, OS, and content so that no one
company controls more than 1.


On 4/7/2010 8:45 AM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:


What monopoly?  Apple's products don't represent any kind of
monopoly...it's just apple product specific..

On 4/7/2010 11:25 AM, maccrawj wrote:


Which is exactly why I'd never buy in, even if I needed it, too much
of a monopoly.


On 4/5/2010 7:23 AM, Brian Weeden wrote:


Gotta love Apple's version of the "razor and blades" strategy with
all those
"must-have" accessories, Apps, and content (music and video). 
Except in
Apple's case, they make a ton of money on BOTH the razor and the 
blades.





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Re: [H] iPad

[Rick Glazier]

Agreed. That is why they call it "jail-break".
When you are in the Apple "prison" they have the Monopoly.

It is no different than when you buy a car and need a SPECIFIC hard to replace 
part.
Ford made my door handle out of plastic and then beat my brains out when it 
broke.
At least Apple seems to be generous with covering repairs for their customers.
They make good stuff, and get the "repair money" up-front...

How about the newspaper that charges almost DOUBLE to iPad users.
WSJ or NYT  (I don't care because I don't have one...)

Rick Glazier


"Brian Weeden


Yep, monopoly is the wrong word.  Lots of other people make tablets, phones,
mp3 players, and have online music services, with various degrees of market
share.

"Close ecosystem" or "walled garden" are probably more appropriate.

Re: [H] iPad

[Brian Weeden]

Rick, I jailbreak all my Apple devices.  But you're still confusing things.
Ford demanding Ford parts for their own cars is not a monopoly - it is a
closed ecosystem or walled garden . A monopoly would be if Ford dominated
the entire auto market and you could only buy Ford vehicles (or at least had
to work really hard to find an alternate).

The term monopoly only makes sense when used in relation to a market, not
specific products.  Of course Ford has the monopoly on Ford vehicles - their
the only ones who make them.

In regard to your comment about the newspapers, again you are mixing
things.  What the NYT or WSJ charges for their content has nothing to do
with Apple and is not a monopoly.  They don't control the news - in fact,
the news industry is the complete opposite of a monopoly.  There are plenty
of competitors and tons of choices for customers.  That is what defines a
free market - a system with many buyers and many sellers.

Now that being said, I don't agree with their pricing, at least on the NYT
side.  They still don't get how the publishing world has changed.  For
example, the NYT syndicates much of their content to many smaller newspapers
around the country.  So in a lot of cases you can just google the article
title and read for free in the Topeka Herald what they would charge you for
on the iPad.  That's on top of the fact that the same news story (with much
of the same content) is being published at thousands of other locations
around the web.

The WSJ is different.  Their customers perceive that the WSJ content can
help them make money.  That is a much different situation than just news
that the average person reads which generally has no economic potential
(which is what the NT offers).  So the WSJ can charge whatever the market
supports, as long as their customers feel they are getting value.

And we are free not to pay for that content if we don't want to.

---
Brian Weeden
Technical Advisor
Secure World Foundation 
+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
+1 (202) 683-8534 US


On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Rick Glazier  wrote:

> Agreed. That is why they call it "jail-break".
> When you are in the Apple "prison" they have the Monopoly.
>
> It is no different than when you buy a car and need a SPECIFIC hard to
> replace part.
> Ford made my door handle out of plastic and then beat my brains out when it
> broke.
> At least Apple seems to be generous with covering repairs for their
> customers.
> They make good stuff, and get the "repair money" up-front...
>
> How about the newspaper that charges almost DOUBLE to iPad users.
> WSJ or NYT  (I don't care because I don't have one...)
>
> Rick Glazier
>
>
> "Brian Weeden
>
>
>  Yep, monopoly is the wrong word.  Lots of other people make tablets,
>> phones,
>> mp3 players, and have online music services, with various degrees of
>> market
>> share.
>>
>> "Close ecosystem" or "walled garden" are probably more appropriate.
>>
>

Re: [H] iPad

[tmservo]

Exactly.  Sometimes we get over focused on hype (see today's article on 
slate.com).  Apple just sold 320,000 ipads.  A good number. They hope to sell 
500k this month to 750k.   Great numbers.   Nintendo sold 500k Wiis last month, 
 3+ years after introduction. 

Selling volumes in the computerworld is good, but turning around and making it 
consistent matters.  For the ipad, far more then the iphone, a lot of this 
depends on apps.  This is where I do have some concern with how that goes.   
Appke has repeatedly 'spiked' and removed apps based on content concerns, 
including major name apps (hunt for the Nine Inch Nails fiasco and Trent 
Reznor's take).  Apples policy with regards to how they handle all this is does 
create a false economy (ecosystem) but it isn't a monopoly.  

I used Nintendo as an example above because that's exactly what they did.  They 
control everything about their product, software available for it, etc. And its 
been shockingly successful. Apple has the same success and the same outlook. 

I have and continue to use all.  I find snow leopard is effective and nice, but 
win7 is finally really an intuitive os that thinks closer to the way I do.  
Make no mistake, vista was too bulky with too many hangups to slow the user.   
Windows7 is slick and managable, its taskbar is more useful and intuitive then 
apple's dock, and its snap to and mouse focusing features work with no after 
thought.  
But it took ms a lot of mistakes to get there.  How well the ipad succeeds will 
be interesting.  To me, I can't figure out the point.  I will never want to and 
type on a touch screen.  Because of the screen, its worthless outside.. So 
while you can sit with a kindle at the pool (I've done it) and read with zero 
eye strain, the ipad will appear like a brick to read in bright light.  There 
just isn't that stand out function that makes me say 'holy shit' I have to have 
it.  Let's face it, apples ipod really isn't better then any other mp3 player.  
My creative still plays all my audiobooks just great.  But it was the ecosystem 
and ability to buy and download for it that sold it to the masses.  Ease of 
use. 

Everyone used mp3s.  I'm struggling to think what the breakthrough user 
connection there is with an ipad
Sent via BlackBerry 

-Original Message-----
From: Brian Weeden 
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 12:22:11 
To: 
Subject: Re: [H] iPad

It depends on definitions.  If you define the market as OSX, then of course
Apple has a monopoly.  But if you define the market as laptops, then there
isn't any monopoly.

---
Brian Weeden
Technical Advisor
Secure World Foundation <http://www.secureworldfoundation.org>
+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
+1 (202) 683-8534 US


On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:17 PM, maccrawj  wrote:

> When the market get's behind them as the defacto choice, the are a
> monopoly. Same goes for their PC's, after all who makes hardware than runs
> OSX besides Apple?
>
> If all the app development and content ends up primaryily or even solely
> supporting this device we have a real issue. Kindle is in the same boat
> IMHO. We need to decouple the hardware, OS, and content so that no one
> company controls more than 1.
>
>
> On 4/7/2010 8:45 AM, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
>
>> What monopoly?  Apple's products don't represent any kind of
>> monopoly...it's just apple product specific..
>>
>> On 4/7/2010 11:25 AM, maccrawj wrote:
>>
>>> Which is exactly why I'd never buy in, even if I needed it, too much
>>> of a monopoly.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/5/2010 7:23 AM, Brian Weeden wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gotta love Apple's version of the "razor and blades" strategy with
>>>> all those
>>>> "must-have" accessories, Apps, and content (music and video). Except in
>>>> Apple's case, they make a ton of money on BOTH the razor and the blades.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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Re: [H] iPad

[Hunter, Gary]

What did I start  with this thread LOL Some nice points as always.

I understand why people don't see the point of this device. But I have
to say after using it for a couple of days, I am pleased I bought it. I
bought it mainly for travelling as an entertainment device but now I am
taking it to meetings to make notes. It saves me taking my laptop and
paper notebook to the meetings I can draw on the screen and type notes,
then email them out. Yes I could do that on a tablet PC but they still
are not affordable or mainstream and my company does not provide a
tablet option (mind you I am very happy with my Lenovo X200 I wouldn't
change it for anything). So now when I travel I can watch movies on the
plane. Play the odd silly game and not get bored. 

Also it boots quickly so in the morning before running to meetings it's
great to check the news (as long as I have the wifi access), I don't
have to wait for my PC to boot it's all immediate. So as an on the go
device it's great. Yes I can do this all on my phone but the big screen
is just so nice and considering I don't have to take my notepad around
anymore it just replaces that so is not another piece of junk in my bag.

I hate using my laptop on the plane especially in economy (and that's
all I get for internal flights) because there just isn't the space to
have the screen up. As soon as the person in front reclines their seat I
have to put the laptop on my lap at an angle because the angle of the
seat in front won't allow me to put it on seatback tray. By the way I
never work on the plane so having word, excel and power point is
something I don't need, I am a nervous traveler and need to take my mind
off the fact that I am not on the ground I can't concentrate on work up
there :) I just need mindless entertainment.

As more and more innovative apps come out I can see this thing morphing
into a more and more essential device.

As for reading books. I never get to see daylight so the iPad is great
for reading books in my hotel room. But I can see how the iPad's screen
is not great for outdoor reading. I guess if I ever get time to sit by a
pool I'll have to buy a paper back :)

By the way I am not an apple fan boy there are things I hate. Like
yesterday iTunes decided to uninstall all my apps when I was synching so
I had to restore from a backup to get all my settings back. Also backup
takes forever. The fact that some apps are so much more expensive is
also crappy. I am not buying many now as I hope they will come down in
price and level out over time.


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Subject: Re: [H] iPad

Exactly.  Sometimes we get over focused on hype (see today's article on
slate.com).  Apple just sold 320,000 ipads.  A good number. They hope to
sell 500k this month to 750k.   Great numbers.   Nintendo sold 500k Wiis
last month,  3+ years after introduction. 

Selling volumes in the computerworld is good, but turning around and
making it consistent matters.  For the ipad, far more then the iphone, a
lot of this depends on apps.  This is where I do have some concern with
how that goes.   Appke has repeatedly 'spiked' and removed apps based on
content concerns, including major name apps (hunt for the Nine Inch
Nails fiasco and Trent Reznor's take).  Apples policy with regards to
how they handle all this is does create a false economy (ecosystem) but
it isn't a monopoly.  

I used Nintendo as an example above because that's exactly what they
did.  They control everything about their product, software available
for it, etc. And its been shockingly successful. Apple has the same
success and the same outlook. 

I have and continue to use all.  I find snow leopard is effective and
nice, but win7 is finally really an intuitive os that thinks closer to
the way I do.  Make no mistake, vista was too bulky with too many
hangups to slow the user.   Windows7 is slick and managable, its taskbar
is more useful and intuitive then apple's dock, and its snap to and
mouse focusing features work with no after thought.  
But it took ms a lot of mistakes to get there.  How well the ipad
succeeds will be interesting.  To me, I can't figure out the point.  I
will never want to and type on a touch screen.  Because of the screen,
its worthless outside.. So while you can sit with a kindle at the pool
(I've done it) and read with zero eye strain, the ipad will appear like
a brick to read in bright light.  There just isn't that stand out
function that makes me say 'holy shit' I have to have it.  Let's face
it, apples ipod really isn't better then any other mp3 player.  My
creative still plays all my audiobooks just great.  But it was the
ecosystem and ability to

Re: [H] Ipad with lost PIN

[Tim Lider]

Hello Thane,

If the iPad has been trusted by a computer, go to the computer and you should 
be able to access the photos thru Explorer.

Hope this helps,

Tim Lider
Brown Belt Arnis de Mano
https://www.facebook.com/CardenasArnis

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of Thane K. 
Sherrington
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 12:50 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] Ipad with lost PIN

I have an older relative with an Ipad, and he's forgotten his PIN (this 
happened after an IOS update, so I'm not sure if the update caused part of the 
issue or not).  I don't work with Ipads much, so I was wondering if:

a)there's a way to break the PIN (I have the AppleID and password)

b)If not, can I copy the pictures off the locked Ipad before resetting to 
factory defaults.

c)If not, can get the locked Ipad to sync to the Icloud so I have a recent 
backup of pictures.

I have no Itunes backup and no Icloud backup (but I do have some pictures 
synced to ICloud).

T