Re: Standard of living - was - cars was [H] google search for"failure"
From: FORC5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Hardware List To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: Standard of living - was - cars was [H] google search for"failure" Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 11:30:58 -0700 no proof, a volcanic eruption can do more damage in a day then cars in 1000 years, besides, the earth is pretty good at using it's left hand. need to get off save the planet, the planet is just fine and will always be just fine, until the next mass extinction. Really? While I don't think mankind can blow up the earth like a death star in one fell swoop, it is quite a spectacularly stupid statement to insinuate that humans (and humans alone) can not affect the environment. Maybe not on a global scale, but lets take Mexico City for example - the air in that area bears the uncanny resemblance to a cancer-stricken large intestine. Does Mother Nature just have a beef with Mexico and farts on her capital constantly? Or could it just possibly be, and this is a HUGE STRETCH, that the rampant pollution from industry is taking its toll on the city?
Re: Standard of living - was - cars was [H] google search for"failure"
Al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But you're right. I didn't answer the question. I use a back pack and two > hand held canvas bags. I hardly ever fill them all. P.S. The first thing to go should be the bag on demand. It should be outlawed. Vender will be more than willing to sell you a reusable bag for your convenience, if you forget to bring one with you. Just like the pop top was outlawed. You don't see any more pop tops on the ground . JMHO, Al
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FORC5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > he pushes the cart home Another gem. I wouldn't need to attack you. You fall down all by yourself. :) But you're right. I didn't answer the question. I use a back pack and two hand held canvas bags. I hardly ever fill them all. Wishing the best for you and your's, Al "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
RE: Standard of living - was - cars was [H] google search for"failure"
he pushes the cart home At 11:46 AM 3/4/2006, Christopher Klein Poked the stick with: >How do you walk back with all of those groceries? I go grocery shopping >once a week and fill up the back of my car. I guess if you're going daily >you don't have to buy that much at once. > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al >Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:36 PM >To: The Hardware List >Subject: Re: Standard of living - was - cars was [H] google search >for"failure" > > >Thx Greg. > >Back from my daily 2 mile (1 each way) walk to the food store. And yes, I >drive when the weather is inclement. > >A win win win. It's good for me, I meet and talk to my neighbors, and it's >good for the planet. > >That's all I'm trying to say ppl. If you win the rat race, you still a rat. >The keep up with the Jones', gotta have the biggest, fastest, whatever isn't >good for people or planets. Only corporations. > >Al > > >"Greg Sevart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > Bryan Seitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> >> You are all still the same argumentative personal attacking people >> >> as when I left. Attack the arguments, not the people. >> > >> > Thx for the sage words. >> > I was thinking I was doing my best to be respectful and personal >> > with my fellow debaters. If i could have done more and didn't I >apologize. >> > >> > >> > Al >> >> You haven't done anything to me as far as I'm concerned. I hope you >> feel the same. >> >> Personally, I love good (even heated) debates--and this a far cry from >> some of the debates in the past. :) >> >> Greg >> >> > > >"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." >-Ed Howdershelt (Author) -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Friend: Anyone who has the same enemies you have.
Re: Standard of living - was - cars was [H] google search for"failure"
"Christopher Klein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How do you walk back with all of those groceries? I go grocery shopping > once a week and fill up the back of my car. I guess if you're going daily > you don't have to buy that much at once. Yes. It means I eat the freshest food. Because I shop almost daily (5 out of 7, or so...), I know what just came in. I get to know the butcher, baker, candlestick maker; because I see them regularly. It's a nice way to shop, kinda old world. Turn off the TV. Talk to your butcher :) Al > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:36 PM > To: The Hardware List > Subject: Re: Standard of living - was - cars was [H] google search > for"failure" > > > Thx Greg. > > Back from my daily 2 mile (1 each way) walk to the food store. And yes, I > drive when the weather is inclement. > > A win win win. It's good for me, I meet and talk to my neighbors, and it's > good for the planet. > > That's all I'm trying to say ppl. If you win the rat race, you still a rat. > The keep up with the Jones', gotta have the biggest, fastest, whatever isn't > good for people or planets. Only corporations. > > Al > > > "Greg Sevart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Bryan Seitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> You are all still the same argumentative personal attacking people > > >> as when I left. Attack the arguments, not the people. > > > > > > Thx for the sage words. > > > I was thinking I was doing my best to be respectful and personal > > > with my fellow debaters. If i could have done more and didn't I > apologize. > > > > > > > > > Al > > > > You haven't done anything to me as far as I'm concerned. I hope you > > feel the same. > > > > Personally, I love good (even heated) debates--and this a far cry from > > some of the debates in the past. :) > > > > Greg > > > > > > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
RE: Standard of living - was - cars was [H] google search for"failure"
How do you walk back with all of those groceries? I go grocery shopping once a week and fill up the back of my car. I guess if you're going daily you don't have to buy that much at once. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:36 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: Standard of living - was - cars was [H] google search for"failure" Thx Greg. Back from my daily 2 mile (1 each way) walk to the food store. And yes, I drive when the weather is inclement. A win win win. It's good for me, I meet and talk to my neighbors, and it's good for the planet. That's all I'm trying to say ppl. If you win the rat race, you still a rat. The keep up with the Jones', gotta have the biggest, fastest, whatever isn't good for people or planets. Only corporations. Al "Greg Sevart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Bryan Seitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> You are all still the same argumentative personal attacking people > >> as when I left. Attack the arguments, not the people. > > > > Thx for the sage words. > > I was thinking I was doing my best to be respectful and personal > > with my fellow debaters. If i could have done more and didn't I apologize. > > > > > > Al > > You haven't done anything to me as far as I'm concerned. I hope you > feel the same. > > Personally, I love good (even heated) debates--and this a far cry from > some of the debates in the past. :) > > Greg > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
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FORC5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > no proof, a volcanic eruption can do more damage in a day then cars in 1000 > years, besides, the earth is pretty good at using it's left hand. > need to get off save the planet, the planet is just fine and will always be > just fine, until the next mass extinction. > the earth is not overpopulated, google earth proofs that. besides mother > nature does a good job of wiping out the excess when need be. > > fp I offer one example. One can not eat the fresh water fish in south Florida; because of mercury poisoning. There are none so blind as those who will not see. We have no right to poison the waters. Period. Best,Al
Re: Standard of living - was - cars was [H] google search for"failure"
Thx Greg. Back from my daily 2 mile (1 each way) walk to the food store. And yes, I drive when the weather is inclement. A win win win. It's good for me, I meet and talk to my neighbors, and it's good for the planet. That's all I'm trying to say ppl. If you win the rat race, you still a rat. The keep up with the Jones', gotta have the biggest, fastest, whatever isn't good for people or planets. Only corporations. Al "Greg Sevart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Bryan Seitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> You are all still the same argumentative personal attacking people as > >> when > >> I left. Attack the arguments, not the people. > > > > Thx for the sage words. > > I was thinking I was doing my best to be respectful and personal with my > > fellow debaters. If i could have done more and didn't I apologize. > > > > > > Al > > You haven't done anything to me as far as I'm concerned. I hope you feel the > same. > > Personally, I love good (even heated) debates--and this a far cry from some > of the debates in the past. :) > > Greg > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Re: Standard of living - was - cars was [H] google search for "failure"
no proof, a volcanic eruption can do more damage in a day then cars in 1000 years, besides, the earth is pretty good at using it's left hand. need to get off save the planet, the planet is just fine and will always be just fine, until the next mass extinction. the earth is not overpopulated, google earth proofs that. besides mother nature does a good job of wiping out the excess when need be. fp At 09:39 AM 3/4/2006, Al Poked the stick with: >There is no cost >added to your need to drive a big fat V8 for the damage it does to the >planet. No matter how good it is, it pollutes more than smaller ones and >should be priced accordingly. No motor vehicle on the road is so priced. >No appliance, or any other "consumable" has the true planet view cost >reflected in it's price. > >The debt will be paid by someone, and it's immoral to shove it off on the >future. That's the fact an already overcrowded planet needs to wake up >to and fast. -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Where did we all come from in the first place?
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Bryan Seitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You are all still the same argumentative personal attacking people as when I left. Attack the arguments, not the people. Thx for the sage words. I was thinking I was doing my best to be respectful and personal with my fellow debaters. If i could have done more and didn't I apologize. Al You haven't done anything to me as far as I'm concerned. I hope you feel the same. Personally, I love good (even heated) debates--and this a far cry from some of the debates in the past. :) Greg
Re: Standard of living - was - cars was [H] google search for "failure"
Bryan Seitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You are all still the same argumentative personal attacking people as when > I left. Attack the arguments, not the people. Thx for the sage words. I was thinking I was doing my best to be respectful and personal with my fellow debaters. If i could have done more and didnt I apologize. Al Opera op·er·a; noun. Greek word for death by music.
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You are all still the same argumentative personal attacking people as when I left. Attack the arguments, not the people. On Sat, Mar 04, 2006 at 09:39:37AM -0700, Al wrote: > > "Greg Sevart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Are you saying I should spend tens of thousands to buy an inferior vehicle > > that I won't like? > > No, of course not. More later. > > > That's asinine. I may have "pie in the sky" requirements > > before alternative energy cars are appealing to me, yes, but you have "pie > > in the sky" requirements about life itself. > -- Bryan G. Seitz
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Ya'know, I would like to respond to this. :) FORC5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > so maybe we should wipe our ass with our left hand. I not sure how to interpret this. Is it a slam in Islam? Because they use one hand for eating and one for wiping. Is it a political statement? Like I'm a commie because I care (coincidentally like left wingers)about the planet? Sorry, your message went over my head, I guess. > > get a life, I am doing just fine, thx. I make beautiful things with my hands and I hope and care for a better tomorrow with my mind. Thx for asking. > things evolve. Here again, I'm not sure what you're saying. I hope it means there's hope for the future. Best regards, Al "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Re: Standard of living - was - cars was [H] google search for "failure"
"Greg Sevart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Are you saying I should spend tens of thousands to buy an inferior vehicle > that I won't like? No, of course not. More later. > That's asinine. I may have "pie in the sky" requirements > before alternative energy cars are appealing to me, yes, but you have "pie > in the sky" requirements about life itself. I'm sorry if I didn't make it clear. You should drive what you want, but the true cost of driving it should be carried by you. There is no cost added to your need to drive a big fat V8 for the damage it does to the planet. No matter how good it is, it pollutes more than smaller ones and should be priced accordingly. No motor vehicle on the road is so priced. No appliance, or any other "consumable" has the true planet view cost reflected in it's price. The debt will be paid by someone, and it's immoral to shove it off on the future. That's the fact an already overcrowded planet needs to wake up to and fast. As for my pie in the sky requirements, is wanting non bleached paper on the shelf next to the higher priced (to reflect the true environment cost) bleached paper so out of line? Sorry if I ruffled your feathers, I was torn by apologizing for singling you out on that side of the divide, but I decided to apologize would then really single you out. :( Regards, Al "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
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FROM: "But I'm not about to feel guilty for buying and driving a vehicle I like and can afford." Paraphrase: Of the things to consider, the environment is not a factor. I have the bucks and I want it. After all, it's all about me. "Until then (the pie in the shy perfect electric car), I'm going to buy vehicles with big fat V8's." I have a justification for my excess, because there is no alternative I like. Because it's all about me, remember? I don't feel guilty. Not one bit. With regards to the environment, I'm in the process of buying a new car with a bit fat V8 that meets ULEV/ULEV-II emissions standards. It emits less pollution than small displacement four or six cylinder motors of just a few years ago. That's more than good enough to let me sleep at night. Are you saying I should spend tens of thousands to buy an inferior vehicle that I won't like? That's asinine. I may have "pie in the sky" requirements before alternative energy cars are appealing to me, yes, but you have "pie in the sky" requirements about life itself. I'm a big advocate for non-fossil-fuel sourced energy. I wish that PZEV/ZEV vehicles existed that could meet my basic requirements. And someday, they will--and I'll be the first in line to buy one.
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FORC5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > so maybe we should wipe our ass with our left hand. > > get a life, things evolve. Haha, thx. You have a great day too. :) Best, Al
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big v8's keep the cost of fuel down and do not pollute any more then anything else, some may even be better. Basically new cars just do not put that much out the pipe with cats. do not believe me run with the garage door closed and see. At 07:37 AM 3/4/2006, Al Poked the stick with: >P.S. > >Let me say, if one wants to drive a big fat V8, I believe in freedom. >Please drive one. > >But that driver should pay for the extra pollution. > >It's the pricing system that does not reflect the true cost of driving >that big V8. > > >Thx for your time. >Al > > > >Al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> >> Hey ppl, >> >> Lots of good replies from the group; > > -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- You might be a redneck if... You use a pig for a garbage disposal. - Jeff Foxworthy
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so maybe we should wipe our ass with our left hand. get a life, things evolve. At 07:18 AM 3/4/2006, Al Poked the stick with: >Blind greed capitalism has the Western Culture (double for Americans) >hoodwinked into thinking bigger, faster, more, and the some more after >that is the way to a happy life. > > >Buy now; and save. > > > >regards, -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- You might be a redneck if... You use a pig for a garbage disposal. - Jeff Foxworthy
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P.S. Let me say, if one wants to drive a big fat V8, I believe in freedom. Please drive one. But that driver should pay for the extra pollution. It's the pricing system that does not reflect the true cost of driving that big V8. Thx for your time. Al Al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hey ppl, > > Lots of good replies from the group;
