Re: [ha-Safran]: Mel Gibson Film
I do not think Mel Gibson's film is anti-semitic. Further, I think it is an enormous chutzpa for Jews to think, that they can dictate to gentiles whether or not they can express, in a public medium, fundamental points of their faith. Yehuda Herskowitz == HaSafran - The Electronic Forum of the Association of Jewish Libraries Submissions for HaSafran, send to: Hasafran at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu SUBscribing, SIGNOFF commands send to: Listserver at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Questions, problems, complaints, compliments;-) send to: galron.1 at osu.edu AJL HomePage http://www.JewishLibraries.org/
Do we want to discuss the Gibson movie on this forum?
Please read, then cut below here indicated. Do we want to discuss the Gibson movie on this forum? I am acutely sensitive to listservs which lose focus and therefore audience. People get turned off by topics not directly relevant to the mission of the listserv. IF but ONLY IF you feel that the discussion is relevant, please post the following. [From the Moderator: I think I have to agree. Y. Galron] =cut here=== Eli Wise's commentary was outstanding. In answer to his comment about acquiescence, I urge you to read Leon Wieseltier's brilliant review of the Mel Gibson movie in the forthcoming New Republic. MEL GIBSON'S LETHAL WEAPON. The Worship of Blood by Leon Wieseltier Post date 02.26.04 | Issue date 03.08.04 http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040308s=wieseltier030804 As a number of reviewers have pointed out, Gibson's favorite role is a quasi-masochistic one in which the hero is terribly injured by his attackers but triumphs in the end. This says more about Gibson than theology. What worries me is how whole-heartedly the Christian Right seems to embrace this film. I went by one local church recently which had this film's opening on its sign rather than its usually hortatory message. The key issue here is that we Jews do not exist on sufferance (unlike St. Augustine's views on this subject). Gibson is entitled to make money any way he can, but we must not acquiesce in his portrayal of Jews. In the open discussion of the topic last Friday night at our synagogue, I urged people to read two books. CONSTANTINE'S SWORD http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0618219080/qid=1078171899/sr=1 -1/ref=sr_1_1/002-4540340-7353617?v=glances=books http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=2UMWM01MC 3sourceid=00404021849308714952bfdate=03%2D01%2D2004+15%3A15%3A19isbn=0395 779278itm=1 James Carroll argues that the depiction of Jews and the emphasis on blood and death in the Middle Ages leads directly to the Holocaust. FROM JESUS TO CHRIST http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0300084579/qid=1078171978/sr=1 -8/ref=sr_1_8/002-4540340-7353617?v=glances=books http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=2UMWM01MC 3sourceid=00404021849308714952bfdate=03%2D01%2D2004+15%3A15%3A19isbn=0300 084579itm=3 Professor Fredriksen does an extremely careful analysis of the events of the turbulent First Century. This is a must read book for people who want to understand the origins of both Christianity and Judaism. We are descended from the Pharisees and their successors (and contemporaries) the Rabbis, who shaped what is modern Judaism after the destruction of the Temple in 70 C.E. DON _ Dr. Don Weinshank Professor Emeritus Comp. Sci. Eng. 1520 Sherwood Ave., East Lansing MI 48823-1885 Ph. 517.337.1545 FAX 517.337.2539 http://www.cse.msu.edu/~weinshan == HaSafran - The Electronic Forum of the Association of Jewish Libraries Submissions for HaSafran, send to: Hasafran at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu SUBscribing, SIGNOFF commands send to: Listserver at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Questions, problems, complaints, compliments;-) send to: galron.1 at osu.edu AJL HomePage http://www.JewishLibraries.org/
Re: [ha-Safran]: Mel Gibson Film
The sense that I get, without yet having seen the film, is that it's pretty much what you make of it. I do think it's incumbent upon people to see something before criticizing it, though. The reaction of all of my Christian friends who take their religion seriously, most of them fundamentalist, is that it makes no sense from a theological standpoint to blame the Jews for Jesus's death. (The blood libel, the line from Matthew that was quoted, does not appear in the film. Also, Gibson's hands are the one seen driving in the first nails.) If they start off from that point of view, the film's probably as harmless as anything else. If they start off believing that you and I are personally responsible for Easter, the film probably could be used as a focal point for all the old hostilities. Here in Denver, the Pastor of a local Pentacostalist church used the occasion to put up a sign saying, Jews Killed the Lord Jesus. Not only did about 150 local Christians turn out (along with about 50 Jews) to protest to sign, but the Pastor soon found himself in a small minority within his own congregation. The next day he put up a sign sort of apologizing. (The kind of, sorry if I offended anyone apology.) The point is that without the opposition of local Christians, the sign would probably still be up there. In any case, the healthiest relationship between Jews and Christians is probably one of mutual respect from a distance. We can't dictate tenets of their faith to them, and we certainly have had enough of them trying to tell us what to believe. My personal experience, for what it's worth, is that serious Christanity, as practiced here in the States, is moving in that direction. Joshua Sharf http://www.viewfromaheight.blogspot.com == HaSafran - The Electronic Forum of the Association of Jewish Libraries Submissions for HaSafran, send to: Hasafran at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu SUBscribing, SIGNOFF commands send to: Listserver at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Questions, problems, complaints, compliments;-) send to: galron.1 at osu.edu AJL HomePage http://www.JewishLibraries.org/
[ha-Safran]: Do we want to discuss the Gibson movie on this forum
A resounding, thuddingly definite No, thank you from here...with the exception of whether or not it is purchased and for which of our collections. Anne Jaron Hebrew Academy of Nassau County Uoniondale, NY 11553 == HaSafran - The Electronic Forum of the Association of Jewish Libraries Submissions for HaSafran, send to: Hasafran at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu SUBscribing, SIGNOFF commands send to: Listserver at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Questions, problems, complaints, compliments;-) send to: galron.1 at osu.edu AJL HomePage http://www.JewishLibraries.org/
[ha-Safran]: Clarification
I am surprised that anyone would suggest that I want to make this forum a place for discussion of Mel Gibson's film. When I suggest reaction it is in the way we do our professional work. I hardly think that creating a resource is tantamount to preventing Christians from observing their faith. We are in a profession that seeks to prevent ignorance. A bibliography or database on this controversial film is not out of line with our professional responsibilities. The Rabbis warn us that we should know how to answer an apikoros. Let us take this warning further and say we should know how to answer regarding this controversial film. It doesn't mean to picket the theater, threaten Gibson etc. We are information professionals lets gather information and prevent ignorance and educate. Eliezer M. Wise Library Director Tuttleman Library of Gratz College 7605 Old York Road Melrose Park, Pa. 19027 215-635-7300 extension 159 == HaSafran - The Electronic Forum of the Association of Jewish Libraries Submissions for HaSafran, send to: Hasafran at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu SUBscribing, SIGNOFF commands send to: Listserver at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Questions, problems, complaints, compliments;-) send to: galron.1 at osu.edu AJL HomePage http://www.JewishLibraries.org/
RE: [ha-Safran]: Mel Gibson Film
Friends: I agree with Eli's cogent statements, but I think there is one thing that is being overlooked in this debate. Our role as information specialists is to provide information, no doubt about that. But in the case of this film, I have to add that (and now I'm speaking as the librarian in a large Conservative synagogue) I feel that it is our job to educate JEWS, not because the film is anti-semitic or isn't, but because many, many Jews don't even know the ISSUES. The people who have come to me for information are doing so because they don't know the history of the first century, they don't know who Pontius Pilate or Herod was, they aren't familiar with what is in the gospels at all (his blood be on you and on your children), because they are, frankly, afraid (yes, that is the right word) to look into Jewish-Christian relations. We, as Judaica librarians, and as information specialists, I feel, should make the ecucational resources available, without judging the film, and without judging Christian beliefs. This is an opportunity for educating the Jewish community, an opportunity for dialogue. Hopefully people will not have a knee-jerk reaction to the movie (and certainly, they should not if they have not seen it), but will be interested in finding out about the roots of anti-semitism, the influence of the gospels in anti-semitism, and the ways in which it can be combatted in today's society. Look at it as a learning opportunity. In the case of this forum, extensive discussion about the movie itself is probably not warranted, but discussion of the resources that could help all of us is crucial. Cheryl Banks == HaSafran - The Electronic Forum of the Association of Jewish Libraries Submissions for HaSafran, send to: Hasafran at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu SUBscribing, SIGNOFF commands send to: Listserver at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Questions, problems, complaints, compliments;-) send to: galron.1 at osu.edu AJL HomePage http://www.JewishLibraries.org/
[ha-Safran]: A Passion for Judaism
Safranim, A tool to the discussion on That movie is a video-tape of a symposium held by Orthodox Union see: http://www.ou.org I believe the video-tape is available from the Orthodox Union. Yossi Galron - Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger Head of the Hebraica Jewish Studies Library The Ohio State University Libraries, 324 Main Library, 1858 Neil Ave. Mall, Columbus, OH 43210 USA E-Mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel.: (614) 292-3362, Fax: (614)292-1918 URL: http://www.lib.ohio-state.edu/jdc/jdc.html
[ha-Safran]: webography and bibliography for The Pasion
Dear Safranim, We have compiled information that I hope you will find helpful. Please go to the Auerbach Central Agency for Jewish Education website, www.acaje.org and then click on Whats New( in yellow). There you will find our resource list. Nancy M Messinger * Nancy M. Messinger Director of Educational Resources Auerbach Central Agency of Jewish Education 7607 Old York Road Melrose Park, PA 19027 215-635-8940, ext. 1215 ~ Fax: 215-635-8946 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit our website at www.acaje.org == HaSafran - The Electronic Forum of the Association of Jewish Libraries Submissions for HaSafran, send to: Hasafran at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu SUBscribing, SIGNOFF commands send to: Listserver at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Questions, problems, complaints, compliments;-) send to: galron.1 at osu.edu AJL HomePage http://www.JewishLibraries.org/
Re: [ha-Safran]: A Passion for Judaism
I appreciate the statement made by the Orthodox Union about That movie. Thank you to Yossi Galron for forwarding that link to us. May we always demonstrate our passion and support for Judaism and Israel. Ben Pastcan === Submissions for Ha-Safran, send to: Hasafran at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu SUBscribing, SIGNOFF commands send to: Listproc at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Questions, problems, complaints, compliments;-) send to: galron.1 at osu.edu AJL HomePage http://www.JewishLibraries.org
[ha-Safran]: RCA Manuals
I have 9 volumes (1951, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1957, 1960, 1961, 1963, 1964) of the Rabbinical Council of America Manuals of Holiday and Sabbath Sermons. If anyone is interested in them, please e-mail me - you will have to pick up at your own expense. Leah Moskovits Torah Academy of Bergen County Teaneck, New Jersey [EMAIL PROTECTED] === Submissions for Ha-Safran, send to: Hasafran at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu SUBscribing, SIGNOFF commands send to: Listproc at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Questions, problems, complaints, compliments;-) send to: galron.1 at osu.edu AJL HomePage http://www.JewishLibraries.org
synagogue libraries on the web
Is there a list of synagogue libraries whose OPACs are available on the internet? Andrea __ === Submissions for Ha-Safran, send to: Hasafran at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu SUBscribing, SIGNOFF commands send to: Listproc at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Questions, problems, complaints, compliments;-) send to: galron.1 at osu.edu AJL HomePage http://www.JewishLibraries.org
[ha-Safran]: A Passion for Judaism
In light of the continuing discussion of gathering resources to deal with Mel Gibson's The Passion, I am forwarding to you for consideration for circulation to the HaSafran list the following Email and hyperlink circulated by the Board of Jewish Education of Greater New York. Be well! Joseph I. Lauer Brooklyn, New York *** - Original Message - From: Lauer, Chaim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 12:49 PM Subject: Mel Gibson In light of the publicity of the release of Mel Gibson's film, The Passion..., we would like to alert you to available resource material on the BJE's Educational Resource Center's page - http://www.bjeny.org/erc_CurrentEvents.asp?dept=Educational%20Resources. These materials were developed after a meeting convened by BJE with staff from ADL, AJCommitee, JESNA, the JCRC of NY, and BJE. Kudos to Emily Witty, Orna Sheena, and Mendy Sudranski for their usual high-quality and creative work and quick turnaround time. Special thanks also to Bill Rothchild and Etzion Neuer of ADL, David Elcott of AJCommittee, Elisa Haidt of JESNA, Michael Miller and Craig Miller of the JCRC of NY for their guidance, cooperation, insights, and materials. We are surveying schools as to their needs and interest. We are also suggesting that if their students tell teachers about severe problems they may encounter due to the film, principals should immediately report it to the ADL, AJC, or JCRC. Gray Area issues -- for example, a sense of change in relationships or friendship with non-Jewish friends -- are to be reported to BJE area offices for data collection if students raise it. We are also encouraging Jewish teachers, as you will see in the materials, to try to understand this event in the context of great inter-faith progress in the United States and to be aware of and analyze their own possible internal prejudices. Shabbat Shalom == Chaim Lauer Executive Vice President Board of Jewish Education of Greater New York NEW ADDRESS AND NUMBERS 520 Eighth Avenue 15th Floor New York, NY 10018 Phone: 646.472.5350 Fax: 646.472.5450 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check our Website at http://www.bjeny.org === Submissions for Ha-Safran, send to: Hasafran at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu SUBscribing, SIGNOFF commands send to: Listproc at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Questions, problems, complaints, compliments;-) send to: galron.1 at osu.edu AJL HomePage http://www.JewishLibraries.org
Re: [ha-Safran]: webography and bibliography for The Pasion
Thank you for the good work! Madeleine Cohen Oakley Melvin J. Berman Hebrew Academy Rockville, MD * Blessed are those who can give without remembering and take without forgetting. -- Elizabeth Bibesco *** === Submissions for Ha-Safran, send to: Hasafran at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu SUBscribing, SIGNOFF commands send to: Listproc at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Questions, problems, complaints, compliments;-) send to: galron.1 at osu.edu AJL HomePage http://www.JewishLibraries.org
RE: [ha-Safran]: Mel Gibson Film
Cheryl makes an excellent, and important, point. There's a terrific piece I suggest reading: www.aish.com/societyWork/society/The_Passion_The_Movie_and_the_Aftermath.asp Madeleine Cohen Oakley Melvin J. Berman Hebrew Academy Rockville, Maryland * Blessed are those who can give without remembering and take without forgetting. -- Elizabeth Bibesco *** === Submissions for Ha-Safran, send to: Hasafran at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu SUBscribing, SIGNOFF commands send to: Listproc at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Questions, problems, complaints, compliments;-) send to: galron.1 at osu.edu AJL HomePage http://www.JewishLibraries.org
Re: [ha-Safran]: Mel Gibson Film
As far as this being a forum for discussing the film, The Passion well, why not? As information specialists, we are responsible for providing information to our clients (public, customers, patrons) for those issues which are of concern to them. Simply stated, this film is of concern to many of us in the Jewish Community. Therefore, we need to discuss this issue and why not this forum? Rivka Strom [EMAIL PROTECTED] === Submissions for Ha-Safran, send to: Hasafran at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu SUBscribing, SIGNOFF commands send to: Listproc at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Questions, problems, complaints, compliments;-) send to: galron.1 at osu.edu AJL HomePage http://www.JewishLibraries.org
RE: [ha-Safran]: Mel Gibson Film
Right on! It is incumbant upon us as information professionals and volunteers to provide the Jewish Community with information. Not only because we don't want to acquiese through our silence but also to shore up the community with non-emotional facts about being Jewish, about being proud to be Jewish and why Jews are not Christians. Rivka Strom [EMAIL PROTECTED] === Submissions for Ha-Safran, send to: Hasafran at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu SUBscribing, SIGNOFF commands send to: Listproc at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Questions, problems, complaints, compliments;-) send to: galron.1 at osu.edu AJL HomePage http://www.JewishLibraries.org
[ha-Safran]: Ballot on the Revised ISBN: DIS 2108 (fwd)
AJL Members, If you have any comments please let me know before June 1st. Thanks. Caroline Miller AJL representative to NISO Forwarded Message Date: Monday, March 01, 2004 6:16 PM -0500 From: Pat Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NISO Voting Members [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Ballot on the Revised ISBN: DIS 2108 Dear NISO members, The revised ISO standard International Standard book Number, DIS 2108,is now out for ballot. A PDF of DIS 2108 is on the NISO website in the Voting Members section. The ballot will close: June 1, 2004. NISO, as the U.S. Technical Advisory Group (TAG) to TC 46 is required to submit the U.S. vote on DIS 2108. All NISO voting members are TAG-members. You are, therefore, invited to vote and comment. Your comments will be considered in shaping the U.S. response. DIS 2108 changes the ISBN number significantly: *The ISBN is expanded from 10-digits to 13-digits. This change increases the pool of numbers available for assignment and aligns the ISBN system with product numbering conventions used globally. *In addition, the section on Assignment of the ISBN has been expanded (see Section 5) and a section on Metadata has been added (see Annex E). Other ISBN Resources: If you have any questions on the standard or its implementation there are two good resources available to you: *The International ISBN Agency has issued the first set of implementation guidelines for the 13-digit ISBN: http://www.isbn-international.org/revision.html. These Guidelines are intended to provide guidance for all ISBN user sectors and to help organizations prepare for implementation of the new 13-digit ISBN format in January 2007. These guidelines may be subject to further development so please bookmark that site for updates (instead of copying the guidelines). *A set of Frequently Asked Questions explaining the changes to the ISBN system is available on the Web at: http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/iso/tc46sc9/isbn.htm. ANSI Notice ANSI requires that the following notice be shared with all TAG members: Permission is granted by the American National Standards Institute to electronically reproduce this draft International Standard (DIS 2108) for the purpose of review and comment related to the preparation of the U.S. position. All other rights are reserved. Appreciations Finally, a team of dedicated standards professionals from the book and library community have worked together since early-2002 to revise, expand, and refine the ISBN. Congratulations to the U.S. representatives who have worked long and hard to get us to the DIS in only two years: Michael Cairns (R. R. Bowker), Richard Stark (Barnes and Noble), Laurie Stark (Random House), Albert Simmonds (Dawson Simmonds, Inc.), Wendell Lotz (Ingram). This two-year timeline may be a new land-speed record for ISO standards development! REMINDER The ballot deadline is June 1, 2004. You are encouraged to vote on the website. -- Pat Harris Executive Director National Information Standards Organization (NISO) 4733 Bethesda Avenue, Suite 300 Bethesda, MD 20814 USA T: 301-654-2512 ** Mobile: 202-258-3296 Fax: 301-654-1721 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] url: http://www.niso.org -- End Forwarded Message -- Caroline R. Miller Head, Monographic Cataloging and Authority Sections UCLA Library Cataloging Center Young Research Library [EMAIL PROTECTED] === Submissions for Ha-Safran, send to: Hasafran at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu SUBscribing, SIGNOFF commands send to: Listproc at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Questions, problems, complaints, compliments;-) send to: galron.1 at osu.edu AJL HomePage http://www.JewishLibraries.org
Re: [ha-Safran]: Mel Gibson Film
Antisemitism concerns me. And I turn greatfully to read your responses here. Also I have found Speak Your Piece of great value: I am referring to Monday and Wednesday radio (NY/Talkline) hosted by S. Feuerstein and T. Weiss worth your while. Recently Tom and Steve have focusing on their remarkable interview with Gibson's Father. In my opinion these ongoing inquiries by Feuerstein Weiss have been excellent, refreshing, and at times of serious tension, very healing, too. .. === Submissions for Ha-Safran, send to: Hasafran at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu SUBscribing, SIGNOFF commands send to: Listproc at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Questions, problems, complaints, compliments;-) send to: galron.1 at osu.edu AJL HomePage http://www.JewishLibraries.org
