Re: LC doc on Hebrew references in NARS
Dear Colleagues, I highly recommend that when we discuss this topic, we use Joan's excellent examples document/discussion paper as a guide. Joan didn't mention in her messages, but LC's Hebraica cataloging staff devoted a number of meetings to these issues, and managed only to reach consensus on the format of the 670! Nevertheless, I look forward to further discussion in the Cat Com, and hope that experience we all gain during the testing period in the initial months of implementation will help us develop recommendations for policy and/or best practices. Lenore Joan C Biella [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/19/2008 11:41 AM Friends, I wrote a document to guide the LC Hebraica Cataloging Team during the first weeks of the experimentation period for adding nonroman NARS. It can now be found on the wiki at http://rascat.pbwiki.com/Agenda-June-2008 under Authority Control click on the hebnrrefguide.doc link. This document shows some of our thinking about various possibilities for creating Hebrew references. Joan
Re: LC doc on Hebrew references in NARS
As Lenore says, a serious discussion of these topics can go on for weeks. Yossi has just suggested to me that the meeting of the Cataloging Committee (no matter how far into the night it goes!) will not be long enough for us to really sink our teeth just into the various methods of approach. (Yossi's words were more along the lines of, I've read the first page of the document and I have several critici... er, ques... er... Perhaps we could schedule an extra meeting to go into some depth with this subject by itself. With the permission of Rachel Simon, my roommate, I would be glad to offer my/our hotel room as a venue on Monday or Tuesday night, if we can't find someplace more spacious. Do any of you think this is a good idea? Joan Lenore Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/19/2008 12:50 PM Dear Colleagues, I highly recommend that when we discuss this topic, we use Joan's excellent examples document/discussion paper as a guide. Joan didn't mention in her messages, but LC's Hebraica cataloging staff devoted a number of meetings to these issues, and managed only to reach consensus on the format of the 670! Nevertheless, I look forward to further discussion in the Cat Com, and hope that experience we all gain during the testing period in the initial months of implementation will help us develop recommendations for policy and/or best practices. Lenore Joan C Biella [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/19/2008 11:41 AM Friends, I wrote a document to guide the LC Hebraica Cataloging Team during the first weeks of the experimentation period for adding nonroman NARS. It can now be found on the wiki at http://rascat.pbwiki.com/Agenda-June-2008 under Authority Control click on the hebnrrefguide.doc link. This document shows some of our thinking about various possibilities for creating Hebrew references. Joan
Re: LC doc on Hebrew references in NARS
Monday would be my preference since I am leaving Tuesday afternoon. Alternatively how about a breakfast meeting Monday or Tuesday morning? Heidi G. Lerner Hebraica/Judaica Cataloger Catalog Dept. Stanford University Libraries Stanford, CA 94305-6004 ph: 650-725-9953 fax: 650-725-1120 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Joan C Biella [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: heb-naco@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 10:32 AM Subject: Re: LC doc on Hebrew references in NARS As Lenore says, a serious discussion of these topics can go on for weeks. Yossi has just suggested to me that the meeting of the Cataloging Committee (no matter how far into the night it goes!) will not be long enough for us to really sink our teeth just into the various methods of approach. (Yossi's words were more along the lines of, I've read the first page of the document and I have several critici... er, ques... er... Perhaps we could schedule an extra meeting to go into some depth with this subject by itself. With the permission of Rachel Simon, my roommate, I would be glad to offer my/our hotel room as a venue on Monday or Tuesday night, if we can't find someplace more spacious. Do any of you think this is a good idea? Joan Lenore Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/19/2008 12:50 PM Dear Colleagues, I highly recommend that when we discuss this topic, we use Joan's excellent examples document/discussion paper as a guide. Joan didn't mention in her messages, but LC's Hebraica cataloging staff devoted a number of meetings to these issues, and managed only to reach consensus on the format of the 670! Nevertheless, I look forward to further discussion in the Cat Com, and hope that experience we all gain during the testing period in the initial months of implementation will help us develop recommendations for policy and/or best practices. Lenore Joan C Biella [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/19/2008 11:41 AM Friends, I wrote a document to guide the LC Hebraica Cataloging Team during the first weeks of the experimentation period for adding nonroman NARS. It can now be found on the wiki at http://rascat.pbwiki.com/Agenda-June-2008 under Authority Control click on the hebnrrefguide.doc link. This document shows some of our thinking about various possibilities for creating Hebrew references. Joan
LC doc on Hebrew references in NARS
Heidi, I am afraid that a breakfast meeting will not be productive: too limited time, too much noise in the dining hall, too many people around ... Yossi On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Heidi Lerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Monday would be my preference since I am leaving Tuesday afternoon. Alternatively how about a breakfast meeting Monday or Tuesday morning? Heidi G. Lerner Hebraica/Judaica Cataloger Catalog Dept. Stanford University Libraries Stanford, CA 94305-6004 ph: 650-725-9953 fax: 650-725-1120 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Joan C Biella [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: heb-naco@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 10:32 AM Subject: Re: LC doc on Hebrew references in NARS As Lenore says, a serious discussion of these topics can go on for weeks. Yossi has just suggested to me that the meeting of the Cataloging Committee (no matter how far into the night it goes!) will not be long enough for us to really sink our teeth just into the various methods of approach. (Yossi's words were more along the lines of, I've read the first page of the document and I have several critici... er, ques... er... Perhaps we could schedule an extra meeting to go into some depth with this subject by itself. With the permission of Rachel Simon, my roommate, I would be glad to offer my/our hotel room as a venue on Monday or Tuesday night, if we can't find someplace more spacious. Do any of you think this is a good idea? Joan Lenore Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/19/2008 12:50 PM Dear Colleagues, I highly recommend that when we discuss this topic, we use Joan's excellent examples document/discussion paper as a guide. Joan didn't mention in her messages, but LC's Hebraica cataloging staff devoted a number of meetings to these issues, and managed only to reach consensus on the format of the 670! Nevertheless, I look forward to further discussion in the Cat Com, and hope that experience we all gain during the testing period in the initial months of implementation will help us develop recommendations for policy and/or best practices. Lenore Joan C Biella [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/19/2008 11:41 AM Friends, I wrote a document to guide the LC Hebraica Cataloging Team during the first weeks of the experimentation period for adding nonroman NARS. It can now be found on the wiki at http://rascat.pbwiki.com/Agenda-June-2008 under Authority Control click on the hebnrrefguide.doc link. This document shows some of our thinking about various possibilities for creating Hebrew references. Joan -- Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschlaeger Head, Hebraica Jewish Studies Library The Ohio State University Libraries 6001 Ackerman Library, 610 Ackerman Road Columbus, Ohio 43202-4500 USA E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel.: (614) 292-3362, Fax: (614)292-1918 URL: http://library.osu.edu/sites/jdc/jdc.php Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: http://hebrewlit.notlong.com -- Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschlaeger Head, Hebraica Jewish Studies Library The Ohio State University Libraries 6001 Ackerman Library, 610 Ackerman Road Columbus, Ohio 43202-4500 USA E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel.: (614) 292-3362, Fax: (614)292-1918 URL: http://library.osu.edu/sites/jdc/jdc.php Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: http://hebrewlit.notlong.com
Re: LC doc on Hebrew references in NARS
How about a breakfast meeting (7-8:30) on Monday morning, to be followed by a breakfast meeting on Tuesday morning if needed? (And it very likely will be, depending on how much we find we want to discuss in person). Joan Heidi Lerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/19/2008 2:17 PM Monday would be my preference since I am leaving Tuesday afternoon. Alternatively how about a breakfast meeting Monday or Tuesday morning? Heidi G. Lerner Hebraica/Judaica Cataloger Catalog Dept. Stanford University Libraries Stanford, CA 94305-6004 ph: 650-725-9953 fax: 650-725-1120 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Joan C Biella [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: heb-naco@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 10:32 AM Subject: Re: LC doc on Hebrew references in NARS As Lenore says, a serious discussion of these topics can go on for weeks. Yossi has just suggested to me that the meeting of the Cataloging Committee (no matter how far into the night it goes!) will not be long enough for us to really sink our teeth just into the various methods of approach. (Yossi's words were more along the lines of, I've read the first page of the document and I have several critici... er, ques... er... Perhaps we could schedule an extra meeting to go into some depth with this subject by itself. With the permission of Rachel Simon, my roommate, I would be glad to offer my/our hotel room as a venue on Monday or Tuesday night, if we can't find someplace more spacious. Do any of you think this is a good idea? Joan Lenore Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/19/2008 12:50 PM Dear Colleagues, I highly recommend that when we discuss this topic, we use Joan's excellent examples document/discussion paper as a guide. Joan didn't mention in her messages, but LC's Hebraica cataloging staff devoted a number of meetings to these issues, and managed only to reach consensus on the format of the 670! Nevertheless, I look forward to further discussion in the Cat Com, and hope that experience we all gain during the testing period in the initial months of implementation will help us develop recommendations for policy and/or best practices. Lenore Joan C Biella [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/19/2008 11:41 AM Friends, I wrote a document to guide the LC Hebraica Cataloging Team during the first weeks of the experimentation period for adding nonroman NARS. It can now be found on the wiki at http://rascat.pbwiki.com/Agenda-June-2008 under Authority Control click on the hebnrrefguide.doc link. This document shows some of our thinking about various possibilities for creating Hebrew references. Joan
RE: LC doc on Hebrew references in NARS
There is another issue that I could bring up and that is: The need to provide authority records for Hebrew title series with cross references from variant spellings (e.g. but not limited to ketiv male vs. ketiv haser), English forms of the series referring to the Hebrew form -- up to now they take similar form in Romanized authority records), Hebrew titles with roman character qualifiers as in uniform titles. I do not expect that we would cover this issue in the upcoming meeting (because the plate is full already) but perhaps we might want to discuss it as to whether it should be discussed in future meetings and when it should be discussed. Bernard Rabenstein HUC library -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joan C Biella Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 1:33 PM To: heb-naco@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: LC doc on Hebrew references in NARS As Lenore says, a serious discussion of these topics can go on for weeks. Yossi has just suggested to me that the meeting of the Cataloging Committee (no matter how far into the night it goes!) will not be long enough for us to really sink our teeth just into the various methods of approach. (Yossi's words were more along the lines of, I've read the first page of the document and I have several critici... er, ques... er... Perhaps we could schedule an extra meeting to go into some depth with this subject by itself. With the permission of Rachel Simon, my roommate, I would be glad to offer my/our hotel room as a venue on Monday or Tuesday night, if we can't find someplace more spacious. Do any of you think this is a good idea? Joan Lenore Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/19/2008 12:50 PM Dear Colleagues, I highly recommend that when we discuss this topic, we use Joan's excellent examples document/discussion paper as a guide. Joan didn't mention in her messages, but LC's Hebraica cataloging staff devoted a number of meetings to these issues, and managed only to reach consensus on the format of the 670! Nevertheless, I look forward to further discussion in the Cat Com, and hope that experience we all gain during the testing period in the initial months of implementation will help us develop recommendations for policy and/or best practices. Lenore Joan C Biella [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/19/2008 11:41 AM Friends, I wrote a document to guide the LC Hebraica Cataloging Team during the first weeks of the experimentation period for adding nonroman NARS. It can now be found on the wiki at http://rascat.pbwiki.com/Agenda-June-2008 under Authority Control click on the hebnrrefguide.doc link. This document shows some of our thinking about various possibilities for creating Hebrew references. Joan
nonroman references, not nonroman headings
I see from the early responses to my guidelines document that there's a basic principle the document doesn't discuss. We're not (yet) creating nonroman HEADINGS. In the LC/NACO Authority File, there will be, for the foreseeable future, no 1XX that is not in roman script. What we'll begin to do in July (I hope it'll be July) is add nonroman 4XXs to records, and these will have no more authority than roman 4XXs. I know that in some of your catalogs, you DO have nonroman headings, and it makes sense there to say they should be constructed according to AACR2. But we're not talking about that yet in the national authority file. The fact that there's no such thing as a nonroman heading has consequences. When a subordinate body, for example, is established in a $b, the $a of the heading has to be the established form of the name of the parent body--therefore it has to be roman. And when you add a reference for the nonroman version of the subordinate body's name in a $b, the $a will still have to be in roman, because that's the way the file works. If you're adding a nonroman reference for the title of a work, say the Yiddish translation of Singer's 'Eved, the $a of the reference will still have to be the established, i.e. the roman, form of Singer's name. This accounts for some of those ugly-looking mixed-script fields in the examples in the document. In other places, AACR2 directs us to add a qualifier in English. Will that rule have to be followed in references where the entry-element is nonroman? Just some things to think about before we get into our discussions. Joan
