[Histonet] Re: bone marrow fixative

2010-03-03 Thread Robert Richmond
Now that we can no longer use mercury-containing fixatives, I don't
think that the various proprietary fixatives advocated for bone marrow
add anything to the morphology, and some of them can gum up processors
or interfere with immunohistochemistry.

Neutral buffered formalin requires time for fixation - clots need to
be cut up as soon as possible after they're received, and biopsy
specimens really ought to fix overnight before decalcification and
processing. Communication with oncologists is essential (and rarely
achievable).

Bob Richmond
Samurai Pathologist
Knoxville TN

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Re: [Histonet] Deleting extraneous parts of posts when replying

2010-03-03 Thread Merced M Leiker
My brief experience with paraffin and fluorescence (DAPI and EGFP) is that 
the paraffin embedding process destroys it.


Regards,
Merced

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Hi,
Just wondering if anyone has use hydroethinide to detect the  free
radicals (ROS) in the CNS or anyother tissue of rats after 4% formallin
fixation and parrafin embedding.
I wanted to used the hydroethidine on paraffin sections.
I wonder if the fluorescence is lost by fixation (12hrs in 4% PAF) and
paraffin embedding plus deparaffination.
All the papers I reviewed used hydroethidine on frozen section but our
facility does not have vibratome or cryostat.
Please help
Please Help.

Fabrice
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Re: [Histonet] bone marrow fixative

2010-03-03 Thread Amy Farnan
Acetic Zinc Formalin



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[Histonet] RE: B5 fixative

2010-03-03 Thread Green JumpyOne

Amy, 

We use the B+ fixative available from BBC Biochemical  ( 
http://www.bbcus.com/products.html?pc=19pid=57 )

My pathologists love it!

Michelle


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 Good afternoon everyone,
  
 In past years our lab used B-5 fixative on bone marrow biopsies for better 
 immunostaining.
 With the chemical hazards of B-5 we switched to AZF fixative and have been 
 using this for the past few years. I am just curious what everyone else is 
 using for fixative on their bone marrows and how is your immunoreactivity?  
 Maybe a better question is what is the preferred fixative for bone marrows?
  
 Have a nice day,
 Amy Farnan
 Histology Supervisor
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RE: [Histonet] HE stainer/coverslippers

2010-03-03 Thread Green JumpyOne

We are using the Leica Autostainer XL, bridge and coverslipper (CV5030).  I 
think they're great!

Michelle
  
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Re: [Histonet] IF staining on peritoneal macrophages

2010-03-03 Thread Andrea T. Hooper
Rat anti-mouse F480 from serotec works hwell. It is crucial that you use a 
secondary against rat IgG that is highly cross adsorbed to many species, 
including mouse. I suggest whole IgG of donkey anti-rat IgG from Jackson 
Immunoresearch. Just make sure to pick the version adsorbed against mouse. I 
would give you the catalog number except I am not at my computer.

Andrea T. Hooper


  


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[Histonet] Processing of fatty breast tissue

2010-03-03 Thread Dinesh Sariya

Following adequate fixation of predominantly fatty breast tissue, what factors 
could lead to significant shrinkage of adipose tissue around a fibrous lesion 
(by ~ 50-80%) ?  
  
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Re: [Histonet] IF staining on peritoneal macrophages

2010-03-03 Thread Andrea T. Hooper
Rat anti-mouse F480 from serotec works hwell. It is crucial that you use a 
secondary against rat IgG that is highly cross adsorbed to many species, 
including mouse. I suggest whole IgG of donkey anti-rat IgG from Jackson 
Immunoresearch. Just make sure to pick the version adsorbed against mouse. I 
would give you the catalog number except I am not at my computer.

Andrea T. Hooper


  


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Re: [Histonet] Processing of fatty breast tissue

2010-03-03 Thread Rene J Buesa
You have assumed that processing is correct, but shrinkage is always caused by 
too fast dehydration, therefore the processing is not adequate.
René J.

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Subject: [Histonet] Processing of fatty breast tissue
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 10:41 AM



Following adequate fixation of predominantly fatty breast tissue, what factors 
could lead to significant shrinkage of adipose tissue around a fibrous lesion 
(by ~ 50-80%) ?  
              
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[Histonet] Free radical detection and cell death IHC

2010-03-03 Thread Fabrice GANKAM
 Sorry to post this again but had problems posting messages lately.

 

Here is my problem, We do not have cryostat in our facility and I will like
to test free radical production in situ in rat brain tissue

Some of the methods involves homogenate of whole part of brain and assay
with component reacting with free radical that does not give you the
geographical distribution of free radical.

I'm therefore looking for a methods involving IHC or IF  in paraffin
section.

I checked for hydroethidine but it seems like the fluorescence fades with
paraffin processing.

 

Has any one used hydroethidine with paraffin processing ?

Does anyone know another method of free radical or oxidative stress
detection on paraffin section ? 

 

We also wanted to asses cell death by some marker with the same tissue
(paraffin processed) the caspase stain is faint and we will like to find a
selective marker of cellular death or irreversible damage (apoptotic or non
apoptotic) that could be used in IHC and IF. 

 

Has anyone ever used PI on rat tissue after paraffin processing ?

Any other marker ?

I heard about the hydroxyprobe but does it work on paraffin embedded tissue
?

 

Thanks for your help guys

 

Fabrice

 

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RE: [Histonet] HE stainer/coverslippers

2010-03-03 Thread Paula Lucas
I second the Prisma with attached coverslipper.  We have been using it now
for the past 2 months or so.
It's really a non-hassle, state of the art piece of equipment.
Paula

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From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Liz Chlipala
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:50 PM
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; VickiGauch
Subject: RE: [Histonet] HE stainer/coverslippers

We just purchased the sakura prisma and attached glass coverslipper.  We
just love them.  We tried a lot of glass coverslippers and this by far is
the best one that we have tried.  We run both HE and specials on the prisma
and have not had a problem with the glass coverslipper.  We have been using
them for about a little over 2 months now.

Liz

Elizabeth A. Chlipala, BS, HTL(ASCP)QIHC
Manager
Premier Laboratory, LLC
PO Box 18592
Boulder, Colorado 80308
office (303) 682-3949 
fax (303) 682-9060
www.premierlab.com
 
 
Ship to Address:
1567 Skyway Drive, Unit E
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Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 1:39 PM
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; VickiGauch
Subject: Re: [Histonet] HE stainer/coverslippers

Sakura
René J.

--- On Tue, 3/2/10, Gauch, Vicki gau...@mail.amc.edu wrote:


From: Gauch, Vicki gau...@mail.amc.edu
Subject: [Histonet] HE stainer/coverslippers
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 2:20 PM


Hi,
I was wondering what type of HE stainer/coverslipper units labs are using 
and the pros and cons of each.  We found out we have funding to replace our
old faithful GLX stainer(though it will break my heart to do so)  and are
looking for a stainer/ coverslipper that is one unit- one that we do not
have to unload from the stainer to load onto the coverslipper.  Any help
would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks so much,
Vicki Gauch
AMCH
Albany,NY



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[Histonet] Ultram Fixative

2010-03-03 Thread Cindy DuBois
Ultram Fixative is actually Ultrum Fixative and is available thru
American Mastertech:

http://www.americanmastertech.com/store/main.aspx?p=ItemDetailStylesitem=FXULTGAL

Cindy Dubois



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From: Robert Richmond rsrichm...@gmail.com
Subject: [Histonet] Re: Ultram fixative
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
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Richard Cartun asks We have a clinic that is fixing tissue in
Ultram. I have never heard of it. Can someone educate me about
Ultram?

I can't Google any evidence for an Ultram fixative. Ultram is a trade
name for tramadol, an opioid analgesic.

Either somebody is confused, or you've got somebody involved in
dubious drug transactions. Can anybody in the clinic shed any light on
the matter?

Bob Richmond
Samurai Pathologist
Knoxville TN

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[Histonet] negative controls

2010-03-03 Thread anita dudley

we have a ventana benchmark and use rabbit and mouse negative controls, is 
there  anyone out there that uses a universal control and is that ok with your 
cap inspection?  thanks so much

 

antia dudley

providence hosp

mobile alabama
  
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RE: [Histonet] negative controls

2010-03-03 Thread Sebree Linda A
Anita,

If you're referring to the reagents you use, we use a Universal Negative
Control Serum (Biocare) on our negative control slides.  We have 3
Ventana instruments and have never been cited.

Linda A. Sebree
University of Wisconsin Hospital  Clinics
IHC/ISH Laboratory
DB1-223 VAH
600 Highland Ave.
Madison, WI 53792
(608)265-6596



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we have a ventana benchmark and use rabbit and mouse negative controls,
is there  anyone out there that uses a universal control and is that ok
with your cap inspection?  thanks so much

 

antia dudley

providence hosp

mobile alabama
  
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Re: [Histonet] HE stainer/coverslippers

2010-03-03 Thread Phyllis Thaxton
I am glad you decided on that one Paula. It is wonderful
 Phyllis Thaxton HT(ASCP)QIHC
DCH Regional Medical Center
Tuscaloosa, AL 





From: Paula Lucas plu...@biopath.org
To: Liz Chlipala l...@premierlab.com; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; 
VickiGauch gau...@mail.amc.edu
Sent: Wed, March 3, 2010 10:50:06 AM
Subject: RE: [Histonet] HE stainer/coverslippers

I second the Prisma with attached coverslipper.  We have been using it now
for the past 2 months or so.
It's really a non-hassle, state of the art piece of equipment.
Paula

-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Liz Chlipala
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:50 PM
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; VickiGauch
Subject: RE: [Histonet] HE stainer/coverslippers

We just purchased the sakura prisma and attached glass coverslipper.  We
just love them.  We tried a lot of glass coverslippers and this by far is
the best one that we have tried.  We run both HE and specials on the prisma
and have not had a problem with the glass coverslipper.  We have been using
them for about a little over 2 months now.

Liz

Elizabeth A. Chlipala, BS, HTL(ASCP)QIHC
Manager
Premier Laboratory, LLC
PO Box 18592
Boulder, Colorado 80308
office (303) 682-3949 
fax (303) 682-9060
www.premierlab.com


Ship to Address:
1567 Skyway Drive, Unit E
Longmont, Colorado 80504

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Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 1:39 PM
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu; VickiGauch
Subject: Re: [Histonet] HE stainer/coverslippers

Sakura
René J.

--- On Tue, 3/2/10, Gauch, Vicki gau...@mail.amc.edu wrote:


From: Gauch, Vicki gau...@mail.amc.edu
Subject: [Histonet] HE stainer/coverslippers
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 2:20 PM


Hi,
I was wondering what type of HE stainer/coverslipper units labs are using 
and the pros and cons of each.  We found out we have funding to replace our
old faithful GLX stainer(though it will break my heart to do so)  and are
looking for a stainer/ coverslipper that is one unit- one that we do not
have to unload from the stainer to load onto the coverslipper.  Any help
would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks so much,
Vicki Gauch
AMCH
Albany,NY



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[Histonet] AutoZyme

2010-03-03 Thread Lorena Benedetti

Hi, I am from Argentina and I have to perform an immunehistochemstry
with an antigen recovery using AutoZyme from Biomedia Foster City, CA. I
looked for in google and I found a lot papers citations but I could find
the company, Biomedia, to ask for a quotation. Has anybody got a contact
from this company? Or an alternative product?
Thanks in advance.
Lorena

Lic. Lorena Bendetti
Laboratori de Terapia Molecular y Celular
Fundacion Instituto Leloir
Buenos Aires
Argentina

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[Histonet] Colorado Society of Histotechnology meeting - April 23rd 24th in Estes Park

2010-03-03 Thread McGinley,John
Hi,

The Colorado Society of Histotechnology (CSH) meeting will be held at the YMCA 
or Rockies in Estes Park, CO, April 23rd  24th, 2010. If you are interested in 
attending the meeting and have not registered, please visit our website at 
http://www.coloradohisto.org/2010/meeting.htm. Online registration is available 
and the society is now able to take credit card payment. Thank you and I look 
forward to seeing you at the meeting.

Regards,

John McGinley
CSH Secretary


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Re: [Histonet] IF staining on peritoneal macrophages

2010-03-03 Thread Mauricio Avigdor
Hi Andrea,

Jackson lists a couple of FITC-conjugated donkey anti-rat secondaries:

712-095-150http://www.jacksonimmuno.com/MERCHANT2/merchant.mv?Screen=PRODProduct_Code=712-095-150
-
Whole Donkey Anti-Rat IgG (H+L).

  
712-096-150http://www.jacksonimmuno.com/MERCHANT2/merchant.mv?Screen=PRODProduct_Code=712-096-150

- F(ab')2 fragment Donkey Anti-Rat IgG (H+L).

Do you recognize which is the one you have ben using.

I have been using Serotec's STAR80F antibody. They suggest using 1:10 Normal
Mouse Serum in PBS to make the necessary dilutions. Is this something you do
with the Jackson antibodies as well? I've never heard of this technique
before.
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Re: [Histonet] Ultram Fixative

2010-03-03 Thread John Kiernan
According to the MSDS sheet at the web address provided by Cindy Dubois, this 
solution contains water, sodium acetate, zinc chloride, phenol and citric acid 
- concentrations not disclosed; pH not stated. Another MSDS for ultrum at 
http://siri.org/msds/f2/bzr/bzrjb.html lists the ingredients as 1,5-pentanedial 
(that's glutaraldehyde) 3%, zinc sulphate.7H2O 1%, carboxy hydroxide (=??!, 
but 0.04%) and buffers 2.0%. 
 
Solutions containing glutaraldehyde and phenol are used as disinfectants; all 
kinds of additives, not the ones listed for ultrum, are included to increase 
shelf life and reduce the corrosive effect on metals (see eg Schattner 1978 US 
Patent 410301).  Phenol accelerates protein cross-linking by formaldehyde, and 
phenol-formaldehyde fixatives were sometimes used in the late 1980s to early 
1990s (see Hopwood et al 1989 Histochem. J. 21:228-234). This mixture never 
became popular. A Scopus search shows only 6 articles citing the original 
publication.
 
Glutaraldehyde fixation can be bad news for light microscopy because it leaves 
all parts of the tissue bristling with free aldehyde groups. These can bind 
some dyes, are Schiff-positive and can bind proteins such as antibodies. 
Glutaraldehyde also induces fluorescence (not, strictly speaking 
autofluorescence, but just as unwanted). There are various clever ways of 
overcoming these undesirable actions of glutaraldehyde (eg Kasten  Lala 1975 
Stain Technol. 50: 197-201; Tagliaferro et al 1997 J. Neurosci. Methods 
77(2):191-197). 
 
There is no shortage of stable fixative mixtures with known composition and 
ingredients whose actions on tissues have been quite thoroughly studied, and 
which don't corrode metals. 
 
John Kiernan
Anatomy, UWO
London, Canada
= = =
- Original Message -
From: Cindy DuBois integrated.hi...@gmail.com
Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010 12:17
Subject: [Histonet] Ultram Fixative
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu

 Ultram Fixative is actually Ultrum Fixative and is available thru
 American Mastertech:
 
 http://www.americanmastertech.com/store/main.aspx?p=ItemDetailStylesitem=FXULTGAL
 
 Cindy Dubois
 
 
 
 Message: 20
 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 20:08:23 -0500
 From: Robert Richmond rsrichm...@gmail.com
 Subject: [Histonet] Re: Ultram fixative
 To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
 Message-ID:

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 text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
 
 Richard Cartun asks We have a clinic that is fixing tissue in
 Ultram. I have never heard of it. Can someone educate me about
 Ultram?
 
 I can't Google any evidence for an Ultram fixative. Ultram is a trade
 name for tramadol, an opioid analgesic.
 
 Either somebody is confused, or you've got somebody involved in
 dubious drug transactions. Can anybody in the clinic shed any 
 light on
 the matter?
 
 Bob Richmond
 Samurai Pathologist
 Knoxville TN
 
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[Histonet] Re: paraffin processing times for brain

2010-03-03 Thread Stephen Kum Jew
Hi all

I was wondering if anyone can send me please the optimal paraffin
processing times for brain autopsy tissue.

Currently the blocks have cut and stained well but 4-5mm thick tissue
has expanded (bulged out) following cutting as if they had absorbed water.

Solutions been all changed.

thanks
Stephen


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|School of Medical Sciences
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|Australia
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[Histonet] RE: paraffin processing times for brain

2010-03-03 Thread McMahon, Loralee A
we used to do one hour in each step formalin through to paraffin (2 steps of 
paraffin).  
But 4 to 5mm is a little on the thick side.  We used to try for 3 mm.  But 
didn't always get it that way.

Loralee McMahon, HTL (ASCP)
Immunohistochemistry Supervisor
Strong Memorial Hospital
Department of Surgical Pathology
(585) 275-7210

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[stev...@med.usyd.edu.au]
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 3:42 PM
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: [Histonet] Re: paraffin processing times for brain

Hi all

I was wondering if anyone can send me please the optimal paraffin
processing times for brain autopsy tissue.

Currently the blocks have cut and stained well but 4-5mm thick tissue
has expanded (bulged out) following cutting as if they had absorbed water.

Solutions been all changed.

thanks
Stephen


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|Australia
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[Histonet] Meditech and Computer Requisitions vs Paper Req's

2010-03-03 Thread Disher Lori
Our hospital uses Meditech and in the near future we are going to go to CPOE 
(computerized physician order entry).  We currently are the only dept that uses 
paper requisitions for Surgical Specimens and Cytology.  For those of you out 
there that has gone through this transition, can you share any issues you have 
had?  Thank you.

Lori A Disher
Lead Histology Tech
Fawcett Memorial Hospital
21298 Olean Blvd,  Port Charlotte,  FL   33952
phone   941-627-6128
fax 941-764-7071
lori.dis...@hcahealthcare.com



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[Histonet] Butyl alcohol

2010-03-03 Thread Krueger, Todd
Has anyone tried using butyl alcohol as a dehydrating and clearing agent
on there tissues? What are some pros and cons people have experienced
with using Butyl alcohol?
 
Todd Krueger

HTL(ASCP)CM

Boston Scientific

2 Scimed Place, P121

Osseo, MN 55311

Phone: 763-694-5709

Fax: 763-694-5505

e-mail: todd.krue...@bsci.com

 
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[Histonet] Re: Ultrum II (Ultram) fixative

2010-03-03 Thread Robert Richmond
Richard Cartun asked about Ultram fixative, which Cindy Dubois
informs us is actually Ultrum fixative.

According to its MSDS (dated 2003), Ultrum II tissue fixative contains
glutaraldehyde, phenol, zinc chloride, sodium acetate, citric acid,
and water.

It is offered by American Master*Tech Scientific, Inc. in Lodi CA.
http://www.americanmastertech.com/histologysupply.htm
They also supply genuine B5 fixative, Bouin's fixative, and Carnoy's fixative.

Some patent applications from a few years back suggest that Ultrum II
was used to fix prostate biopsy specimens.

Obviously glutaraldehyde and phenol both have safety and environmental
problems of their own. Whether they would practically and legally
support IHC would be hard to predict. And in diagnosing prostate
cancer, the use of nucleoli as a criterion of malignancy requires NBF
- other fixatives are likely to result in demonstrating nucleoli in
benign cells.

Bob Richmond
Samurai Pathologist
Knoxville TN

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[Histonet] VIP basket for K1000

2010-03-03 Thread Jill Cox
Hi Netters!!
Does anyone have an extra basket that I can borrow or purchase for the K1000 
VIP? Doctor wants to start processing but basket wasn't included in processor. 
It's the small one. Thanks!!! I am in AZ if anyone here has one, I can come 
pick up.. Thanks!! Jill
 
Jill Cox HT (ASCP) 
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RE: [Histonet] Alcohol Source?

2010-03-03 Thread Ingles Claire
I vote for the scotch!
Claire




depends. A fine Scotch whiskey may be aged in old oak casks, while a
delicate Tequila may not be



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RE: [Histonet] Re: bone marrow fixative

2010-03-03 Thread Ingles Claire
Ah, in a perfect world! (which would be down right boring, thanks)
Claire


Neutral buffered formalin requires time for fixation - clots need to
be cut up as soon as possible after they're received, and biopsy
specimens really ought to fix overnight before decalcification and
processing. Communication with oncologists is essential (and rarely
achievable).

Bob Richmond
Samurai Pathologist
Knoxville TN

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Re: [Histonet] Butyl alcohol

2010-03-03 Thread John Kiernan
Dear Todd Krueger,
 
There are three isomeric butyl alcohols (primary, secondary and tertiary) with 
different physical properties. and different uses in histology for primary and 
tertiary. 
 
I have used tertiary butyl alcohol (= t-butanol = 2-methylpropan-2-ol) a few 
times for processing into paraffin. It mixes with with both water and wax. It 
boils at 83C so it's slightly less of a fire hazard than ethanol. It doesn't 
form explosive peroxides with long storage, which makes it safer than dioxane 
and tetrahydrofuran, two other universal solvents that have been used for 
combined dehydration and clearing. 
 
t-Butanol doesn't have an offensive odour, but it is solid below 25C, which is 
inconvenient, and it's quite a bit more expensive than more commonly used 
solvents such as ethanol, isopropanol and xylene. t-Butanol was introduced as a 
combined dehydration and clearing agent by Larbaud (1921) Compt. Rend. Acad. 
Sci. 172:1317-1319. It is used more in plant than in animal histology. 

Primary butyl alcohol (n-butanol) is liquid at ordinary temperatures. It is 
only partly miscible with water, but miscible with ethanol-water mixtures and 
with paraffin. It has been recommended for transitioning to wax in procedures 
claimed to reduce hardening of wood (Zirkle 1930, Science 71:103-104) and 
insect specimens (Stiles 1934, Stain Technol. 9:97-100).  Freeze-substitution 
into n-butanol can be followed by paraffin embedding because this alcohol is a 
liquid from -90 to +117C.  I haven't tried any of these methods.
 
Another use of n-butanol is in dehydration of sections stained with dyes that 
are easily extracted by water or water-ethanol mixtures. I have lots of 
experience in this area.  A major disadvantage of n-butanol, for any 
application, is its vapour. It doesn't smell nasty but it makes you cough. 
 
John Kiernan
Anatomy, UWO
London, Canada
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- Original Message -
From: Krueger, Todd todd.krue...@bsci.com
Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010 17:08
Subject: [Histonet] Butyl alcohol
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu

 Has anyone tried using butyl alcohol as a dehydrating and 
 clearing agent
 on there tissues? What are some pros and cons people have experienced
 with using Butyl alcohol?
  
 Todd Krueger
 
 HTL(ASCP)CM
 
 Boston Scientific
 
 2 Scimed Place, P121
 
 Osseo, MN 55311
 
 Phone: 763-694-5709
 
 Fax: 763-694-5505
 
 e-mail: todd.krue...@bsci.com
 
  
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