[Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...

2013-10-03 Thread Stephenson, Sheryl
Hi,
Please clarify why this answer to the HistoDeck study question is  a) and not 
b).

Here is the question:

  'Frozen section slides cut from fresh, unfixed tissue specimens are optimally 
fixed in which of the following solutions?
a)   37%-40% formaldehyde
b)  Cold acetone
c)  Acetic acid alcohol
d)  Alcoholic formalin

Thanks,


Sheryl Stephenson | Histology Technician 




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[Histonet] RE: Inconsistent Sections with Cryostat

2013-10-03 Thread Manfre, Philip
I believe you may need to have the unit serviced.  It sounds like something is 
not tight enough, perhaps the stage or blade holder unit.  You said you secured 
everything which makes me think you have some issue with the cryostat itself.  
If a sharp blade, tightened blade and specimen, and varying the speed doesn't 
work, then you may need professional assistance form a service technician, 
especially if it is an older unit that has been moved around.  Have you tried 
different temperatures?  I don't think that is the problem but it is worth a 
try. 

Good luck! Cryosectioning can be an art in itself. Those decent sections are 
likely thicker than you intend, by the way.  Classic thick and thin.


Philip Manfre, B.A., HT (ASCP)
Associate Principal Scientist
Merck Research Laboratories
WP45-251
PO Box 4
West Point, PA 19486

215-652-9750
215-993-0383 (fax)
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[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Perow, Elliott 
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Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 12:33 AM
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Subject: [Histonet] Inconsistent Sections with Cryostat 

Hello All,

I have a Leica Cryocut 1800 with a Reichert-Jung 2020 microtome that has sat 
for 8 years and went through a move from one academic building to another.  I 
am trying to section brook trout brain, but am having difficulty getting 
consistent sections.
I will get a good section and then the next section will be a very very thin 
shaving of usually just the top portion of the OCT block.  I have tried 
adjusting the clearance angle, made sure the blade and specimen is secured, 
replaced the blade with a new one, have tried different sectioning speeds, 
different thicknesses of the section and still continually only get a decent 
section every other turn.  I was wondering if anyone has had any similar 
experiences or if maybe the machine just needs a maintenance check due to it 
being an older machine.  I wasn't sure if the advancement mechanism may be off 
or if it is another issue that doesn't seem apparent to me.  Any help would be 
greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Elliott Perow
Juniata College
Biology POE


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Re: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...

2013-10-03 Thread Lee Peggy Wenk
Personally, I think it's a is a wrong answer, and that you are correct 
that b is a better answer. My students and I have found a couple of other 
questions that we thought had the wrong answer indicated in the study set.


Peggy A. Wenk, HTL(ASCP)SLS
-Original Message- 
From: Stephenson, Sheryl

Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 7:21 AM
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...

Hi,
Please clarify why this answer to the HistoDeck study question is  a) and 
not b).


Here is the question:

 'Frozen section slides cut from fresh, unfixed tissue specimens are 
optimally fixed in which of the following solutions?

a) 37%-40% formaldehyde
b) Cold acetone
c) Acetic acid alcohol
d) Alcoholic formalin

Thanks,


Sheryl Stephenson | Histology Technician




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Re: [Histonet] RE: Inconsistent Sections with Cryostat

2013-10-03 Thread Lee Peggy Wenk
I just attended Jan Minshew's workshop on cryostats at the NSH Symposium in 
Providence, RI, and she brought up something I had never thought of that 
causes thick and thin.


If the handle that tightens the blade in the blade holder is over-tightened, 
the blade will become bowed, and that will cause thick-and-thin during 
sectioning.


According to Jan, the handle should be tightened to be parallel to the angle 
of the blade holder slope. A lot of times, the handle can be pushed 
further back towards the back of the cryostat, beyond being parallel with 
the slope. The thought seems to be, if tight is good, then tighter is 
better, but not in this case.


Peggy A. Wenk, HTL(ASCP)SLS

-Original Message- 
From: Manfre, Philip

Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 7:54 AM
To: Perow, Elliott S (PEROWES10) ; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: [Histonet] RE: Inconsistent Sections with Cryostat

I believe you may need to have the unit serviced.  It sounds like something 
is not tight enough, perhaps the stage or blade holder unit.  You said you 
secured everything which makes me think you have some issue with the 
cryostat itself.  If a sharp blade, tightened blade and specimen, and 
varying the speed doesn't work, then you may need professional assistance 
form a service technician, especially if it is an older unit that has been 
moved around.  Have you tried different temperatures?  I don't think that is 
the problem but it is worth a try.


Good luck! Cryosectioning can be an art in itself. Those decent sections are 
likely thicker than you intend, by the way.  Classic thick and thin.



Philip Manfre, B.A., HT (ASCP)
Associate Principal Scientist
Merck Research Laboratories
WP45-251
PO Box 4
West Point, PA 19486

215-652-9750
215-993-0383 (fax)
philip_man...@merck.com




-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Perow, 
Elliott S (PEROWES10)

Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 12:33 AM
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: [Histonet] Inconsistent Sections with Cryostat

Hello All,

I have a Leica Cryocut 1800 with a Reichert-Jung 2020 microtome that has sat 
for 8 years and went through a move from one academic building to another. 
I am trying to section brook trout brain, but am having difficulty getting 
consistent sections.
I will get a good section and then the next section will be a very very thin 
shaving of usually just the top portion of the OCT block.  I have tried 
adjusting the clearance angle, made sure the blade and specimen is secured, 
replaced the blade with a new one, have tried different sectioning speeds, 
different thicknesses of the section and still continually only get a decent 
section every other turn.  I was wondering if anyone has had any similar 
experiences or if maybe the machine just needs a maintenance check due to it 
being an older machine.  I wasn't sure if the advancement mechanism may be 
off or if it is another issue that doesn't seem apparent to me.  Any help 
would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks,

Elliott Perow
Juniata College
Biology POE


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RE: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...

2013-10-03 Thread Watson, Linda
For frozen cut sections, would the fixation also depend on what you plan on 
doing with it. For example, HE, Special Stain or IHC? Please correct if I am 
wrong. I think that is a trick question!!!

-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-
boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Lee  Peggy Wenk
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 8:16 AM
To: Stephenson, Sheryl; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: Re: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...

Personally, I think it's a is a wrong answer, and that you are correct
that b is a better answer. My students and I have found a couple of
other
questions that we thought had the wrong answer indicated in the study
set.

Peggy A. Wenk, HTL(ASCP)SLS
-Original Message-
From: Stephenson, Sheryl
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 7:21 AM
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...

Hi,
Please clarify why this answer to the HistoDeck study question is  a)
and
not b).

Here is the question:

  'Frozen section slides cut from fresh, unfixed tissue specimens are
optimally fixed in which of the following solutions?
a) 37%-40% formaldehyde
b) Cold acetone
c) Acetic acid alcohol
d) Alcoholic formalin

Thanks,


Sheryl Stephenson | Histology Technician




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RE: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...

2013-10-03 Thread Bernice Frederick
We fix HE's in 95%  and our IHC protocol is acetone/alcohol fixation.

Bernice Frederick HTL (ASCP)
Senior Research Tech
Pathology Core Facility
ECOGPCO-RL
Robert. H. Lurie Cancer Center
Northwestern University
710 N Fairbanks Court
Olson 8-421
Chicago,IL 60611
312-503-3723
b-freder...@northwestern.edu

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[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Watson, Linda
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 8:40 AM
To: Lee  Peggy Wenk; Stephenson, Sheryl; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...

For frozen cut sections, would the fixation also depend on what you plan on 
doing with it. For example, HE, Special Stain or IHC? Please correct if I am 
wrong. I think that is a trick question!!!

-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet- 
boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Lee  Peggy Wenk
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 8:16 AM
To: Stephenson, Sheryl; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: Re: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...

Personally, I think it's a is a wrong answer, and that you are 
correct that b is a better answer. My students and I have found a 
couple of other questions that we thought had the wrong answer 
indicated in the study set.

Peggy A. Wenk, HTL(ASCP)SLS
-Original Message-
From: Stephenson, Sheryl
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 7:21 AM
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...

Hi,
Please clarify why this answer to the HistoDeck study question is  a) 
and not b).

Here is the question:

  'Frozen section slides cut from fresh, unfixed tissue specimens are 
optimally fixed in which of the following solutions?
a) 37%-40% formaldehyde
b) Cold acetone
c) Acetic acid alcohol
d) Alcoholic formalin

Thanks,


Sheryl Stephenson | Histology Technician




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RE: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...

2013-10-03 Thread Stephenson, Sheryl
Thank you All!

Sheryl Stephenson | Histology Technician 



 

-Original Message-
From: Bernice Frederick [mailto:b-freder...@northwestern.edu] 
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:43 AM
To: Watson, Linda; Lee  Peggy Wenk; Stephenson, Sheryl; 
histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...

We fix HE's in 95%  and our IHC protocol is acetone/alcohol fixation.

Bernice Frederick HTL (ASCP)
Senior Research Tech
Pathology Core Facility
ECOGPCO-RL
Robert. H. Lurie Cancer Center
Northwestern University
710 N Fairbanks Court
Olson 8-421
Chicago,IL 60611
312-503-3723
b-freder...@northwestern.edu

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From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Watson, Linda
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 8:40 AM
To: Lee  Peggy Wenk; Stephenson, Sheryl; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...

For frozen cut sections, would the fixation also depend on what you plan on 
doing with it. For example, HE, Special Stain or IHC? Please correct if I am 
wrong. I think that is a trick question!!!

-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet- 
boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Lee  Peggy Wenk
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 8:16 AM
To: Stephenson, Sheryl; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: Re: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...

Personally, I think it's a is a wrong answer, and that you are 
correct that b is a better answer. My students and I have found a 
couple of other questions that we thought had the wrong answer 
indicated in the study set.

Peggy A. Wenk, HTL(ASCP)SLS
-Original Message-
From: Stephenson, Sheryl
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 7:21 AM
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...

Hi,
Please clarify why this answer to the HistoDeck study question is  a) 
and not b).

Here is the question:

  'Frozen section slides cut from fresh, unfixed tissue specimens are 
optimally fixed in which of the following solutions?
a) 37%-40% formaldehyde
b) Cold acetone
c) Acetic acid alcohol
d) Alcoholic formalin

Thanks,


Sheryl Stephenson | Histology Technician




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Re: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...

2013-10-03 Thread Lee Peggy Wenk
I agree, there is probably more than one correct answer to this question, 
depending upon whether you are planning on doing stains for lipids, IHC, 
immunofluoresence or muscle enzymes.


But I don't think (A) full strength 37-40% formaldehyde solution would ever 
be the correct answer. Unless you put a gauze in the bottom on the coplin 
jar, pour a little conc. formaldehyde on the gauze, put a lid on the coplin 
jar, and fix the section in formaldehyde vapors. But the question does say 
SOLUTION, not VAPOR. So I still think A is wrong. And most likely full 
strength acetic acid (C) is wrong - would eat the tissue off the slide.


That leaves cold acetone (B) , which is good for some antibodies and some 
enzymes, or alcoholic formalin (D) which might be OK, but most of the time 
things either like alcohol and hate formalin, or they like formalin and 
don't like alcohol. So I would think most FS that we want to fix would not 
particularly like alcoholic formalin.


And none of the solutions listed are good for lipids.

So, given the question (with incomplete information) and the choices of 
answers, I would still side with (B) cold acetone.


Now - a little aside - for the questions on the ASCP HT and HTL exams - if 
it is a new question, the people on the HT/HTL exam committee would be 
looking at it intensely before it goes on the exam for the first time. If 
the committee people are having problems answering it (like we are here), 
the question would be reworked until all the issues are resolved (such as 
putting in for lymph node IHC into the question). If it makes it past the 
committee, and the stats from the exam show that many people are having 
problems answering it, the question is pulled from the exam and is not used 
in the person's score. The question is then sent back to the HT/HTL exam 
committee, to try to figure out why examinees were having problems, and the 
question reworked again.


As someone who has written exam questions at the school for 20+ years, I can 
tell you that it really is hard to write exam questions. I think I've 
covered everything in the question so that it is straight forward, and then 
half the students read something into the question that I never thought of, 
or come up with a written answer that I never considered. So I either have 
to throw out the question or give the point to the student, depending upon 
what's going on. And then mark the question for a re-write next year.  And 
that doesn't include me marking the wrong answer on my master sheet. It 
happens!


Peggy A. Wenk, HTL(ASCP)SLS

-Original Message- 
From: Watson, Linda

Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:40 AM
To: Lee  Peggy Wenk ; Stephenson, Sheryl ; 
histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu

Subject: RE: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...

For frozen cut sections, would the fixation also depend on what you plan on 
doing with it. For example, HE, Special Stain or IHC? Please correct if I 
am wrong. I think that is a trick question!!!



-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu [mailto:histonet-
boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Lee  Peggy Wenk
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 8:16 AM
To: Stephenson, Sheryl; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: Re: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...

Personally, I think it's a is a wrong answer, and that you are correct
that b is a better answer. My students and I have found a couple of
other
questions that we thought had the wrong answer indicated in the study
set.

Peggy A. Wenk, HTL(ASCP)SLS
-Original Message-
From: Stephenson, Sheryl
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 7:21 AM
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...

Hi,
Please clarify why this answer to the HistoDeck study question is  a)
and
not b).

Here is the question:

 'Frozen section slides cut from fresh, unfixed tissue specimens are
optimally fixed in which of the following solutions?
a) 37%-40% formaldehyde
b) Cold acetone
c) Acetic acid alcohol
d) Alcoholic formalin

Thanks,


Sheryl Stephenson | Histology Technician




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Re: [Histonet] Vacuum and pressure in tissue processing

2013-10-03 Thread Rene J Buesa
When tissue processing was manual there were some gadgets providing vacuum 
and those using it reported better results. The fact of the matter was that 
manual processing is so slow that anything you introduce will favor the process.
Static tissue processors, i.e. those that only mover the specimens 
circumventing the manual transfer like the HistoKinete only improved processing 
if they were able to move the specimens, something they did by adding rotation 
inside the reagents vessels.
Retort tissue processors introduced 3 novelties: vacuum, pressure and, most 
importantly, agitation that is nothing but empty/fill the whole retort every 20 
minutes. This agitation is more important, as you point out, than the 
vacuum/pressure.
René J.



From: Teri Johnson tjohn...@gnf.org
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 6:57 PM
Subject: [Histonet] Vacuum and pressure in tissue processing


Dear friends,

I recall hearing at a conference (or maybe it was just a casual conversation by 
an expert during a NSH symposium break) that vacuum and pressure in tissue 
processing really accomplishes very little. I do believe that using heat and 
agitation of the solutions provides more activity kinetically and therefore 
makes processing more efficient.

Can someone affirm or deny the efficacy of vacuum and/or pressure in tissue 
processing, please?

Thank you, as always, for your wisdom.

Teri Johnson
Manager, Histology
Genomics Institute for
Novartis Research
Foundation
San Diego, CA
858-332-4752

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RE: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...

2013-10-03 Thread McKenzie, Emily
Honestly I think this all depends on what they are actually asking. Are they 
asking what you fix the tissue in after the frozen is complete and you need to 
submit the remaining tissue for routine processing? If so, then A is the 
correct answer.
Are they asking what you fix the tissue to the slide with to stain the frozen 
section for immediate diagnosis? If so, then the answer can be several 
possibilities depending on what you are going to be staining/ the process you 
will be staining with.
I have worked in several different hospitals and each have a different protocol 
for there frozen section staining. In order to fix the tissue to the slide I 
have used 95% alcohol and acidic acid alcohol. The only time I have used 
formaldehyde is when I use the vapors for fat staining.
I think this might be a question to take up with ASCP. They are the ones 
administering the test.

Emily K. McKenzie BS, HT(ASCP)

Memorial Medical Center│701 North First Street│Springfield, IL 62781
Ph: 217-788-3991│email: mckenzie.em...@mhsil.com

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Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:22 AM
To: Watson, Linda; Stephenson, Sheryl; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: Re: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...

I agree, there is probably more than one correct answer to this question, 
depending upon whether you are planning on doing stains for lipids, IHC, 
immunofluoresence or muscle enzymes.

But I don't think (A) full strength 37-40% formaldehyde solution would ever be 
the correct answer. Unless you put a gauze in the bottom on the coplin jar, 
pour a little conc. formaldehyde on the gauze, put a lid on the coplin jar, and 
fix the section in formaldehyde vapors. But the question does say SOLUTION, not 
VAPOR. So I still think A is wrong. And most likely full strength acetic acid 
(C) is wrong - would eat the tissue off the slide.

That leaves cold acetone (B) , which is good for some antibodies and some 
enzymes, or alcoholic formalin (D) which might be OK, but most of the time 
things either like alcohol and hate formalin, or they like formalin and don't 
like alcohol. So I would think most FS that we want to fix would not 
particularly like alcoholic formalin.

And none of the solutions listed are good for lipids.

So, given the question (with incomplete information) and the choices of 
answers, I would still side with (B) cold acetone.

Now - a little aside - for the questions on the ASCP HT and HTL exams - if it 
is a new question, the people on the HT/HTL exam committee would be looking at 
it intensely before it goes on the exam for the first time. If the committee 
people are having problems answering it (like we are here), the question would 
be reworked until all the issues are resolved (such as putting in for lymph 
node IHC into the question). If it makes it past the committee, and the stats 
from the exam show that many people are having problems answering it, the 
question is pulled from the exam and is not used in the person's score. The 
question is then sent back to the HT/HTL exam committee, to try to figure out 
why examinees were having problems, and the question reworked again.

As someone who has written exam questions at the school for 20+ years, I can 
tell you that it really is hard to write exam questions. I think I've covered 
everything in the question so that it is straight forward, and then half the 
students read something into the question that I never thought of, or come up 
with a written answer that I never considered. So I either have to throw out 
the question or give the point to the student, depending upon what's going on. 
And then mark the question for a re-write next year.  And that doesn't include 
me marking the wrong answer on my master sheet. It happens!

Peggy A. Wenk, HTL(ASCP)SLS

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Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 9:40 AM
To: Lee  Peggy Wenk ; Stephenson, Sheryl ; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: RE: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...

For frozen cut sections, would the fixation also depend on what you plan on 
doing with it. For example, HE, Special Stain or IHC? Please correct if I am 
wrong. I think that is a trick question!!!

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boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Lee  Peggy Wenk
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 8:16 AM
To: Stephenson, Sheryl; histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: Re: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...

Personally, I think it's a is a wrong answer, and that you are
correct that b is a better answer. My students and I have found a
couple of other questions that we thought had the wrong answer
indicated in the study set.

Peggy A. Wenk, HTL(ASCP)SLS
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[Histonet] Microtomes

2013-10-03 Thread Bruce Gapinski
Dear Histonians
I'm in the market (please, no vendors) for a new microtome. I'd 
like an automated/manual type. What is on the market these days that is worthy? 
I know about Leica, but it's been many years since I've looked for these 
instruments and would love to know what you like and don't like about your 
microtomes?
Respectfully,

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Chief Histologist
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Re: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...

2013-10-03 Thread Grantham, Andrea L - (algranth)
I'd go with A, but it really depends on what you are going to do with the 
sections after fixation.

In the protocol for Oil Red O in Freida's second edition (that I use almost 
daily combined with some steps from PolyScientific's ORO protocol), step #1 
says to fix in 40% formaldehyde. Doesn't say vapors so I plunk the slides in 
the liquid 40%.
I have fixed frozen sections for regular HE and other stains as well in 40% 
formaldehyde and they come out beautiful.
Unless there is some specific request or reason to use cold acetone or alcohol 
this is what I use.

Andrea Grantham, HT (ASCP)
Senior Research Specialist
University of Arizona
Cellular and Molecular Medicine
Histology Service Laboratory
P.O.Box 245044
Tucson, AZ 85724

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Re: [Histonet] Microtomes

2013-10-03 Thread Rene J Buesa
Still Leica
René J.



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Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 10:46 AM
Subject: [Histonet] Microtomes


Dear Histonians
                I'm in the market (please, no vendors) for a new microtome. I'd 
like an automated/manual type. What is on the market these days that is worthy? 
I know about Leica, but it's been many years since I've looked for these 
instruments and would love to know what you like and don't like about your 
microtomes?
Respectfully,

Bruce Gapinsk HT (ASCP)
Chief Histologist
Marin Medical Laboratories
PathGroup SF




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Re: [Histonet] Microtomes

2013-10-03 Thread joelleweaver
Still don't have use for fully automated. 1st microm , 2nd Leica
Opinion only

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Subject: [Histonet] Microtomes
Date: Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:46 am


Dear Histonians
I'm in the market (please, no vendors) for a new microtome. I'd 
like an automated/manual type. What is on the market these days that is worthy? 
I know about Leica, but it's been many years since I've looked for these 
instruments and would love to know what you like and don't like about your 
microtomes?
Respectfully,

Bruce Gapinsk HT (ASCP)
Chief Histologist
Marin Medical Laboratories
PathGroup SF




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[Histonet] RE: Microtomes

2013-10-03 Thread Bea DeBrosse-Serra
Leica.

Beatrice DeBrosse-Serra HT(ASCP)QIHC
Isis Pharmaceuticals
Antisense Drug Discovery
2855 Gazelle Ct.
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Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 7:47 AM
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Subject: [Histonet] Microtomes

Dear Histonians
I'm in the market (please, no vendors) for a new microtome. I'd 
like an automated/manual type. What is on the market these days that is worthy? 
I know about Leica, but it's been many years since I've looked for these 
instruments and would love to know what you like and don't like about your 
microtomes?
Respectfully,

Bruce Gapinsk HT (ASCP)
Chief Histologist
Marin Medical Laboratories
PathGroup SF




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[Histonet] RE: Microtomes

2013-10-03 Thread Huggins, Haley - MRMC
I would go with Leica. I am getting them for my lab.

Haley H.
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Subject: [Histonet] RE: Microtomes

Leica.

Beatrice DeBrosse-Serra HT(ASCP)QIHC
Isis Pharmaceuticals
Antisense Drug Discovery
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760-603-2371



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Subject: [Histonet] Microtomes

Dear Histonians
I'm in the market (please, no vendors) for a new microtome. I'd 
like an automated/manual type. What is on the market these days that is worthy? 
I know about Leica, but it's been many years since I've looked for these 
instruments and would love to know what you like and don't like about your 
microtomes?
Respectfully,

Bruce Gapinsk HT (ASCP)
Chief Histologist
Marin Medical Laboratories
PathGroup SF




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Re: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...

2013-10-03 Thread Jennifer MacDonald
We also use this oil red O method and use the 40% formaldehyde.
The questions lacks enough information to correctly answer it.  I am sure 
the author of the question had something in mind and other options didn't 
occur to him/her at the time.
Jennifer




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Date:   10/03/2013 08:33 AM
Subject:Re: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...
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I'd go with A, but it really depends on what you are going to do with 
the sections after fixation.

In the protocol for Oil Red O in Freida's second edition (that I use 
almost daily combined with some steps from PolyScientific's ORO protocol), 
step #1 says to fix in 40% formaldehyde. Doesn't say vapors so I plunk the 
slides in the liquid 40%.
I have fixed frozen sections for regular HE and other stains as well in 
40% formaldehyde and they come out beautiful.
Unless there is some specific request or reason to use cold acetone or 
alcohol this is what I use.

Andrea Grantham, HT (ASCP)
Senior Research Specialist
University of Arizona
Cellular and Molecular Medicine
Histology Service Laboratory
P.O.Box 245044
Tucson, AZ 85724

algra...@email.arizona.edumailto:algra...@email.arizona.edu
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Re: [Histonet] RE: Microtomes

2013-10-03 Thread Tony Auge
Thermo Shandon Finesse is my favorite. Manual version requires oiling which
is easy and gives you a good reason to keep it clean inside. I got one for
about 6,000. The high end automatic version is the Finesse ME+ and is the
best microtome I have ever seen. Someone that has never cut before could
sit down and get perfect sections on their first block. The quote i got for
that was about 12,000 which was too much for my lab.



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RE: [Histonet] Microtomes

2013-10-03 Thread Cheri Miller
 Leica always

Cheryl A. Miller HT ASCP cm
Histology Supervisor
Hygiene Officer
Physicians Laboratory, P.C.
4140 F St.
Omaha , NE. 68117
402 731 4145 ext. 532
Cell 402 493 0403

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Subject: Re: [Histonet] Microtomes

Still Leica
René J.



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To: 'histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu' histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 10:46 AM
Subject: [Histonet] Microtomes


Dear Histonians
I'm in the market (please, no vendors) for a new microtome. I'd 
like an automated/manual type. What is on the market these days that is worthy? 
I know about Leica, but it's been many years since I've looked for these 
instruments and would love to know what you like and don't like about your 
microtomes?
Respectfully,

Bruce Gapinsk HT (ASCP)
Chief Histologist
Marin Medical Laboratories
PathGroup SF




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RE: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...

2013-10-03 Thread Rathborne, Toni
For those of you who use the 40% formaldehyde, how long is you fixation time on 
frozen slides? We use 10% NBF with 1 minute to fix, but sometimes it gets 
hectic if you have multiple frozens all at once. 

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Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 2:04 PM
To: Grantham, Andrea L - (algranth)
Cc: HISTONET; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: Re: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...

We also use this oil red O method and use the 40% formaldehyde.
The questions lacks enough information to correctly answer it.  I am sure the 
author of the question had something in mind and other options didn't occur to 
him/her at the time.
Jennifer




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To: 
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Date:   10/03/2013 08:33 AM
Subject:Re: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...
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I'd go with A, but it really depends on what you are going to do with the 
sections after fixation.

In the protocol for Oil Red O in Freida's second edition (that I use almost 
daily combined with some steps from PolyScientific's ORO protocol), step #1 
says to fix in 40% formaldehyde. Doesn't say vapors so I plunk the slides in 
the liquid 40%.
I have fixed frozen sections for regular HE and other stains as well in 40% 
formaldehyde and they come out beautiful.
Unless there is some specific request or reason to use cold acetone or alcohol 
this is what I use.

Andrea Grantham, HT (ASCP)
Senior Research Specialist
University of Arizona
Cellular and Molecular Medicine
Histology Service Laboratory
P.O.Box 245044
Tucson, AZ 85724

algra...@email.arizona.edumailto:algra...@email.arizona.edu
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[Histonet] C3d by IHC on FFPE human specimens

2013-10-03 Thread Sebree Linda A
Does anyone in Histoland know of a reference lab that offers this?

Thanks,

Linda A. Sebree
University of Wisconsin Hospital  Clinics
IHC/ISH Laboratory
600 Highland Ave.
Madison, WI 53792
(608)265-6596
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Re: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...

2013-10-03 Thread Benjamin
It would dissolve the fat if you used acetone wouldnt it? Without knowing the 
tissue type or stain, the answer is A.  All other choices dissolve fat I think. 
Good luck on your exam! 

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 3, 2013, at 8:15 AM, Lee  Peggy Wenk lpw...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 Personally, I think it's a is a wrong answer, and that you are correct that 
 b is a better answer. My students and I have found a couple of other 
 questions that we thought had the wrong answer indicated in the study set.
 
 Peggy A. Wenk, HTL(ASCP)SLS
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 Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 7:21 AM
 To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
 Subject: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...
 
 Hi,
 Please clarify why this answer to the HistoDeck study question is  a) and not 
 b).
 
 Here is the question:
 
 'Frozen section slides cut from fresh, unfixed tissue specimens are optimally 
 fixed in which of the following solutions?
 a) 37%-40% formaldehyde
 b) Cold acetone
 c) Acetic acid alcohol
 d) Alcoholic formalin
 
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AW: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...

2013-10-03 Thread Gudrun Lang
We use 36-40% formaldehyde for a minimal time of 2-3 dips for fast frozen
HE. On the other side the slides stand in the solution as long as all
frozens are already cut.
Commercial formaldehyde contents a good part of methanol (a MSDS says
5-15%). So fast fixation is a combination of formaldehyde and alcohol
fixation.
Additional we use Harris hematoxylin, that's also mainly made of ethanol. 
So in my opinion all together fixation is rather due to alcohol in this way.


Gudrun 
 

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Toni
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 03. Oktober 2013 20:34
An: 'Jennifer MacDonald'; Grantham, Andrea L - (algranth)
Cc: HISTONET; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Betreff: RE: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...

For those of you who use the 40% formaldehyde, how long is you fixation time
on frozen slides? We use 10% NBF with 1 minute to fix, but sometimes it gets
hectic if you have multiple frozens all at once. 

-Original Message-
From: histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
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MacDonald
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 2:04 PM
To: Grantham, Andrea L - (algranth)
Cc: HISTONET; histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: Re: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...

We also use this oil red O method and use the 40% formaldehyde.
The questions lacks enough information to correctly answer it.  I am sure
the author of the question had something in mind and other options didn't
occur to him/her at the time.
Jennifer




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To: 
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Date:   10/03/2013 08:33 AM
Subject:Re: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...
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I'd go with A, but it really depends on what you are going to do with the
sections after fixation.

In the protocol for Oil Red O in Freida's second edition (that I use almost
daily combined with some steps from PolyScientific's ORO protocol), step #1
says to fix in 40% formaldehyde. Doesn't say vapors so I plunk the slides in
the liquid 40%.
I have fixed frozen sections for regular HE and other stains as well in 40%
formaldehyde and they come out beautiful.
Unless there is some specific request or reason to use cold acetone or
alcohol this is what I use.

Andrea Grantham, HT (ASCP)
Senior Research Specialist
University of Arizona
Cellular and Molecular Medicine
Histology Service Laboratory
P.O.Box 245044
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[Histonet] Question about fixation terminology

2013-10-03 Thread Jones, Lynne
Hello -
Our research group does a fair amount of autoradiography with frozen sections 
and we sometimes perform IHC or routine stains.  I am not a histologist (nor do 
we have one in our current group), so I assumed that the correct answer was 
alcoholic formalin, because the other options were either inappropriate or not 
fixatives.

I was taught (by an old-school cell biologist) that both alcohol and acetone 
act as dehydrating agents when used on frozen sections, and are not true 
fixatives, because they don't cross-link proteins.  Real fixatives don't just 
preserve against decay, they also modify the tissue (i.e., cross-linking or 
denaturing proteins).  I am pretty sure I was taught that acetone does not 
fix tissue, and that fixing tissue to a slide is an imprecise/slang term 
derived from affix.   (This was at least a decade ago, so my memory could be 
faulty.)

How is acetone a fixative?  I thought it just replaced water, and preserved the 
structure of frozen sections by drying them out.  (Please be kind - I'm not a 
histologist.  I've sat at the cryostat sectioning mouse brains, and I know when 
we use it, but I don't understand what the acetone actually does.)

How do you describe the difference between preserving tissue by drying (with 
acetone) and cross-linking the proteins (with alcoholic formalin)?

I would really appreciate clarification from the guru's on HistoNet.  I no 
longer spend much time in the lab, but I edit our manuscripts, so try make sure 
we use the correct terms in describing how the work is done.  (Some reviewers 
get picky about terminology.)

Thanks,

Lynne Jones

Lab Manager
Radiochemistry Research Group
Radiological Chemistry and Imaging Lab
Washington University School of Medicine
St. Louis, MO






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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 10:21:42 -0400

From: Lee  Peggy Wenk lpw...@sbcglobal.netmailto:lpw...@sbcglobal.net

Subject: Re: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...

To: Watson, Linda linda.wat...@bms.commailto:linda.wat...@bms.com,
  Stephenson, Sheryl

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I agree, there is probably more than one correct answer to this question,

depending upon whether you are planning on doing stains for lipids, IHC,

immunofluoresence or muscle enzymes.



But I don't think (A) full strength 37-40% formaldehyde solution would ever

be the correct answer. Unless you put a gauze in the bottom on the coplin

jar, pour a little conc. formaldehyde on the gauze, put a lid on the coplin

jar, and fix the section in formaldehyde vapors. But the question does say

SOLUTION, not VAPOR. So I still think A is wrong. And most likely full

strength acetic acid (C) is wrong - would eat the tissue off the slide.



That leaves cold acetone (B) , which is good for some antibodies and some

enzymes, or alcoholic formalin (D) which might be OK, but most of the time

things either like alcohol and hate formalin, or they like formalin and

don't like alcohol. So I would think most FS that we want to fix would not

particularly like alcoholic formalin.



And none of the solutions listed are good for lipids.



So, given the question (with incomplete information) and the choices of

answers, I would still side with (B) cold acetone.



Now - a little aside - for the questions on the ASCP HT and HTL exams - if

it is a new question, the people on the HT/HTL exam committee would be

looking at it intensely before it goes on the exam for the first time. If

the committee people are having problems answering it (like we are here),

the question would be reworked until all the issues are resolved (such as

putting in for lymph node IHC into the question). If it makes it past the

committee, and the stats from the exam show that many people are having

problems answering it, the question is pulled from the exam and is not used

in the person's score. The question is then sent back to the HT/HTL exam

committee, to try to figure out why examinees were having problems, and the

question reworked again.



As someone who has written exam questions at the school for 20+ years, I can

tell you that it really is hard to write exam questions. I think I've

covered everything in the question so that it is straight forward, and then

half the students read something into the question that I never thought of,

or come up with a written answer that I never considered. So I either have

to throw out the question or give the point to the student, depending upon

what's going on. And then mark the question for a re-write next year.  And

that doesn't include me marking the wrong answer on my master sheet. It

happens!



Peggy A. Wenk, HTL(ASCP)SLS



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From: Watson, Linda

Sent: 

RE: [Histonet] Question about fixation terminology

2013-10-03 Thread joelle weaver

 Surely I will find those that disagree with this post, however  what I was 
classically trained about fixation categories generally falls within the 
information below...which I took the liberty of  reposting here since it is 
pretty clear  straightforward from Leica. 
http://www.leicabiosystems.com/pathologyleaders/fixation-and-fixatives-1-the-process-of-fixation-and-the-nature-of-fixatives/
 
I hope this will help.
 
 Traditionally fixing agents were termed “coagulant” or “non-coagulant” based 
on their effect on soluble proteins in solution. 7 Coagulant fixatives were 
said to result in a permeable meshwork of protein strands whereas non-coagulant 
fixatives which are additive in nature, formed extensive cross-links producing 
a less permeable gel. These terms are still encountered in modern histological 
literature but a more systematic approach has recently been taken to 
classification. 2  There are two major mechanisms which are important in 
fixation of proteins and protein complexes: denaturation, and addition and 
cross-link formation.  Denaturation:  Most commonly this effect is induced by 
dehydrants such as the alcohols or acetone. These reagents remove and replace 
free water in cells and tissues and cause a change in the tertiary structure of 
proteins by destabilizing hydrophobic bonding. Hydrophobic areas, frequently 
found on the inside of protein molecules, are released from the repulsion of 
water and become free to occupy a greater area.  hydrophilic areas of protein 
water molecules are loosely bound by hydrogen bonds and removal of water also 
destabilizes these bonds. The changes produced in the conformation of the 
protein molecules cause a change in the solubility of the protein, rendering 
water soluble proteins insoluble, a change that is largely irreversible if the 
protein is returned to an aqueous environment.  2, 7  Addition and cross-link 
formation:  The non-coagulant fixing agents chemically react with proteins and 
other cell and tissue components, becoming bound to them by addition and 
forming inter-molecular and intra-molecular cross-links. Because these agents 
are reactive compounds they bind to a variety of chemical groups in tissues, 
often affecting the charge at the site of attachment. This can have an effect 
on the subsequent staining characteristics of a particular protein as well as 
altering its molecular conformation and thus its solubility . For further and 
more in depth discussion of formalin fixation ( and the article I am usually 
referred to in order to make corrections to my own chemistry in publications) 
is  1985!! Fox, et al. Formaldehyde Fixation,  Journal of Histochemistry and 
Cytochemistry, vol. 33, No. 8. pp. 845-855. pdf available at 
http://www.gofindpdf.com/readpdf/formaldehyde-fixation.html  Joelle Weaver 
MAOM, HTL (ASCP) QIHC
  From: jone...@mir.wustl.edu
 To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 19:32:51 +
 CC: 
 Subject: [Histonet] Question about fixation terminology
 
 Hello -
 Our research group does a fair amount of autoradiography with frozen sections 
 and we sometimes perform IHC or routine stains.  I am not a histologist (nor 
 do we have one in our current group), so I assumed that the correct answer 
 was alcoholic formalin, because the other options were either inappropriate 
 or not fixatives.
 
 I was taught (by an old-school cell biologist) that both alcohol and acetone 
 act as dehydrating agents when used on frozen sections, and are not true 
 fixatives, because they don't cross-link proteins.  Real fixatives don't 
 just preserve against decay, they also modify the tissue (i.e., cross-linking 
 or denaturing proteins).  I am pretty sure I was taught that acetone does not 
 fix tissue, and that fixing tissue to a slide is an imprecise/slang term 
 derived from affix.   (This was at least a decade ago, so my memory could 
 be faulty.)
 
 How is acetone a fixative?  I thought it just replaced water, and preserved 
 the structure of frozen sections by drying them out.  (Please be kind - I'm 
 not a histologist.  I've sat at the cryostat sectioning mouse brains, and I 
 know when we use it, but I don't understand what the acetone actually does.)
 
 How do you describe the difference between preserving tissue by drying (with 
 acetone) and cross-linking the proteins (with alcoholic formalin)?
 
 I would really appreciate clarification from the guru's on HistoNet.  I no 
 longer spend much time in the lab, but I edit our manuscripts, so try make 
 sure we use the correct terms in describing how the work is done.  (Some 
 reviewers get picky about terminology.)
 
 Thanks,
 
 Lynne Jones
 
 Lab Manager
 Radiochemistry Research Group
 Radiological Chemistry and Imaging Lab
 Washington University School of Medicine
 St. Louis, MO
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Message: 2
 
 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 10:21:42 -0400
 
 From: Lee  Peggy Wenk lpw...@sbcglobal.netmailto:lpw...@sbcglobal.net
 
 Subject: Re: [Histonet] HT 

[Histonet] RE: Question about fixation terminology

2013-10-03 Thread Sarah Dysart
http://www.ihcworld.com/_protocols/general_ICC/fixation.htm

This article specifically addresses the differences.  You are right about the 
cross linking, but alcohol and acetone are still considered fixatives.

Sarah Goebel-Dysart, BA, HT(ASCP), QIHC (ASCP)
Histotechnologist
Mirna Therapeutics
2150 Woodward Street
Suite 100
Austin, Texas  78744
(512)901-0900 ext. 6912


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[mailto:histonet-boun...@lists.utsouthwestern.edu] On Behalf Of Jones, Lynne
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 2:33 PM
To: histonet@lists.utsouthwestern.edu
Subject: [Histonet] Question about fixation terminology

Hello -
Our research group does a fair amount of autoradiography with frozen sections 
and we sometimes perform IHC or routine stains.  I am not a histologist (nor do 
we have one in our current group), so I assumed that the correct answer was 
alcoholic formalin, because the other options were either inappropriate or not 
fixatives.

I was taught (by an old-school cell biologist) that both alcohol and acetone 
act as dehydrating agents when used on frozen sections, and are not true 
fixatives, because they don't cross-link proteins.  Real fixatives don't just 
preserve against decay, they also modify the tissue (i.e., cross-linking or 
denaturing proteins).  I am pretty sure I was taught that acetone does not 
fix tissue, and that fixing tissue to a slide is an imprecise/slang term 
derived from affix.   (This was at least a decade ago, so my memory could be 
faulty.)

How is acetone a fixative?  I thought it just replaced water, and preserved the 
structure of frozen sections by drying them out.  (Please be kind - I'm not a 
histologist.  I've sat at the cryostat sectioning mouse brains, and I know when 
we use it, but I don't understand what the acetone actually does.)

How do you describe the difference between preserving tissue by drying (with 
acetone) and cross-linking the proteins (with alcoholic formalin)?

I would really appreciate clarification from the guru's on HistoNet.  I no 
longer spend much time in the lab, but I edit our manuscripts, so try make sure 
we use the correct terms in describing how the work is done.  (Some reviewers 
get picky about terminology.)

Thanks,

Lynne Jones

Lab Manager
Radiochemistry Research Group
Radiological Chemistry and Imaging Lab
Washington University School of Medicine
St. Louis, MO






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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 10:21:42 -0400

From: Lee  Peggy Wenk lpw...@sbcglobal.netmailto:lpw...@sbcglobal.net

Subject: Re: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...

To: Watson, Linda linda.wat...@bms.commailto:linda.wat...@bms.com,
  Stephenson, Sheryl

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reply-type=original



I agree, there is probably more than one correct answer to this question,

depending upon whether you are planning on doing stains for lipids, IHC,

immunofluoresence or muscle enzymes.



But I don't think (A) full strength 37-40% formaldehyde solution would ever

be the correct answer. Unless you put a gauze in the bottom on the coplin

jar, pour a little conc. formaldehyde on the gauze, put a lid on the coplin

jar, and fix the section in formaldehyde vapors. But the question does say

SOLUTION, not VAPOR. So I still think A is wrong. And most likely full

strength acetic acid (C) is wrong - would eat the tissue off the slide.



That leaves cold acetone (B) , which is good for some antibodies and some

enzymes, or alcoholic formalin (D) which might be OK, but most of the time

things either like alcohol and hate formalin, or they like formalin and

don't like alcohol. So I would think most FS that we want to fix would not

particularly like alcoholic formalin.



And none of the solutions listed are good for lipids.



So, given the question (with incomplete information) and the choices of

answers, I would still side with (B) cold acetone.



Now - a little aside - for the questions on the ASCP HT and HTL exams - if

it is a new question, the people on the HT/HTL exam committee would be

looking at it intensely before it goes on the exam for the first time. If

the committee people are having problems answering it (like we are here),

the question would be reworked until all the issues are resolved (such as

putting in for lymph node IHC into the question). If it makes it past the

committee, and the stats from the exam show that many people are having

problems answering it, the question is pulled from the exam and is not used

in the person's score. The question is then sent back to the HT/HTL exam

committee, to try to figure out why examinees were having problems, and the

question reworked again.



As someone who has written exam questions at 

[Histonet] Bodian

2013-10-03 Thread Helene Degan
Hi
Thanks to every one that sent me Acid Phosphotase procedure for muscle 
biopsies. I also need some help with the bodian stain, we are not  getting any 
staining on the slides, we have a procedure that they used years ago and now we 
can't get it working (we did purchase new chemicals) and we also tried a stain 
kit with very little results.
 
Thanks again
 
Helene 
Upstate Medical University
 
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[Histonet] Proteinase K treatment

2013-10-03 Thread Segovia, Claudia
Hello histoneters!

This is my first time using the net. I hope to find here some answers to my 
problem. I am working with free floating sections embedded in gelatin. I need 
to use Proteinase K to detect alpha- synuclein aggregates in brain tissue. I 
tried concentrations in the range of 1 Ug/ml to 5Ug/ml, incubation time is 10 
minutes at room temperature. I noticed that after several rinses the Proteinase 
K keeps being active, because the gelatin in the sections gets sticky  and even 
disappears overtime. I did several rinses (4 X 10 min each) and I am afraid 
that the antibody will get degraded in the overnight incubation. How can I stop 
this enzymatic reaction? 
I will truly appreciate any insights,
Thank you!

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RE: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...

2013-10-03 Thread Jennifer MacDonald
the protocol calls for 1 minute in the 40% formaldehyde and then rinse the 
sections well.



From:   Rathborne, Toni trathbo...@somerset-healthcare.com
To: 'Jennifer MacDonald' jmacdon...@mtsac.edu, Grantham, Andrea L 
-   (algranth) algra...@email.arizona.edu
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Subject:RE: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...
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For those of you who use the 40% formaldehyde, how long is you fixation 
time on frozen slides? We use 10% NBF with 1 minute to fix, but sometimes 
it gets hectic if you have multiple frozens all at once. 

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MacDonald
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Subject: Re: [Histonet] HT HistoDeck question...

We also use this oil red O method and use the 40% formaldehyde.
The questions lacks enough information to correctly answer it.  I am sure 
the author of the question had something in mind and other options didn't 
occur to him/her at the time.
Jennifer




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Date:   10/03/2013 08:33 AM
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I'd go with A, but it really depends on what you are going to do with 
the sections after fixation.

In the protocol for Oil Red O in Freida's second edition (that I use 
almost daily combined with some steps from PolyScientific's ORO protocol), 
step #1 says to fix in 40% formaldehyde. Doesn't say vapors so I plunk the 
slides in the liquid 40%.
I have fixed frozen sections for regular HE and other stains as well in 
40% formaldehyde and they come out beautiful.
Unless there is some specific request or reason to use cold acetone or 
alcohol this is what I use.

Andrea Grantham, HT (ASCP)
Senior Research Specialist
University of Arizona
Cellular and Molecular Medicine
Histology Service Laboratory
P.O.Box 245044
Tucson, AZ 85724

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[Histonet] RE:Gram stain (Mesru T) Histonet Digest, Vol 119, Issue 4

2013-10-03 Thread Hardy, Cate
We perform Gram Twort for our gram stains. It is essentially the same as the 
gram stain used in microbiology except that we counter stain with a neutral red 
fast green which is very effective.

Cheers Cate


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Hi All,



Does anybody have a protocol for Gram stain on FFPE mouse intestine sections. 
We are looking to distinguish between Klebsiella and Vancomycin Resistant 
Enterococcus (VRE). I would like to avoid using Picric acid as some protocols 
suggest.

Thanks in advance.


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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 19:38:56 +0200
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Hi Ventana-users,

we have a special technical problem with our Ultra. It seems, that the liquid 
in the waste-tube is sometime pressed out of the hole on the platform like a 
fountain.

You can imagine the nice surprise, when the oil drops from the Ultra-roof onto 
the carousel-top. Everything is oily.

The technical service has'nt found a cause until now. The filter in the tube 
has been changed.

Has anyone seen a similar problem? Solved the problem?



Gudrun Lang



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What detection kit are you using?

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 2, 2013, at 10:47 AM, Bauer, Karen L. bauer.ka...@mayo.edu wrote:

 Thanks for the reply,

 We are pre-fixing in a formalin substitute, but we'll give the acetone a try. 
  I have diluted the protease, but have not gotten any good results.  We'll 
 keep trying with that as well.

 We've tried multiple incubation times for the cytokeratin... From 5 minutes 
 all the way up to 30 minutes... With no luck.

 We are using an enhanced polymer DAB.

 Thanks for the suggestions!  I greatly appreciate it!  :)

 Karen

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 Lab Supervisor | 

[Histonet] HistoDeck questions

2013-10-03 Thread Mesru T
HistoDeck questions are companion of the Carson' s book. Carson fixes in
37-40% formaldehyde for OilRed O.
Any acetone or alcohol will dissolve the fat and OilRedO will be negative
or suboptimum.
The answer should be A

Mesru
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[Histonet] Dacie Iron Stain

2013-10-03 Thread melissa b
Hi Everyone, this is my first time posting, hope this works. One of our 
pathologists is interested in the Dacie iron stain for bone marrow specimens. 
Where can I purchase this stain or is this simply a method? I greatly 
appreciate your help!

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Re: [Histonet] Bodian

2013-10-03 Thread Tony Reilly
Hi Helene
 
Have you tried a Bielschowsky instead.  It is widely reported to provide better 
staining than the Bodian.
 
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2422580 
 
regards
Tony
 
 
 
 

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 Helene Degan deg...@upstate.edu 10/4/2013 6:38 am 
Hi
Thanks to every one that sent me Acid Phosphotase procedure for muscle 
biopsies. I also need some help with the bodian stain, we are not  getting any 
staining on the slides, we have a procedure that they used years ago and now we 
can't get it working (we did purchase new chemicals) and we also tried a stain 
kit with very little results.

Thanks again

Helene 
Upstate Medical University

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[Histonet] RE: Microtomes

2013-10-03 Thread Subash Govender
Hi there
We recently purchased a Leica microtome and all seems to be going very well. It 
cuts beautifully. Just warn students not to clean the machine with xylene as 
ours did and smudged the writing on the microtome.
Good luck
Subash Govender
Anatomical Pathology Research Lab
University of Cape Town
Medical School
South Africa
Email: subash.goven...@uct.ac.za

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