Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR.
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hardware problem it is then Or Virus or something thats compromised the box On 2/18/06, Munra -hlds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that but When I have to do that every 4 hours There is something else wrong And I would like to run custom content with out it changing which it does and de_dust2 is not the only stock map changing - Original Message - From: Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Delete the file from the server Run the hldsupdatetool.exe with the verify option on On 2/18/06, Munra -hlds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is what is Happaning a file such as de_dust2.bsp has a md5 number of fc18094cf822fab9f04567a9b8d4057d This is the clients map This is the md5 of the map on the server ce1eea21c756bbe84e65b3b852c0c1da See what is going on. we jsut can't find what is causeing this I mean I can donwload the server file and then play de_dust2 fine but no one else can. - Original Message - From: Munra -hlds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. Not over clocking the CPUs - Original Message - From: Robert Dodd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. And if the files all match, so are not actually corrupted, then the routine that checks the MD5 values is failing. Overclocked CPU? On Feb 16, 2006, at 3:59 PM, Kevin Ottalini wrote: Irv, The next time this starts to happen, run the updatetool with - verify_all and save the log, then grep Downloading and post the list of downloaded files here. The question this will answer is are only the BSPs changing or is other game content also changing Scenario 1: Various game content on disk is changing over time in spite of never being written. (implies that O/S and other on-disk content is also getting corrupted as well) Possible Causes: 1. disk problem 2. cable problem 3. power supply problem or intermittent power cables 4. bad cooling causing overheating 5. bad disk controller electronics 6. some other motherboard problem 7. malicious activity Scenario 2: only the map BSPs are changing on disk (including stock maps) Possible Causes 1. malicious activity - Original Message - From: irv carlson To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:59 PM Subject: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. It happens with all stock or at one time or another any custom map we run in no recognizable pattern. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Error Boxes
You don't get AVP crashes anymore? HOW? Can you email me off-list? Sorry in advance to all of the list purist. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart Stegall Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 10:22 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Error Boxes Before we fix this problem ... You get approximately 1 Crash per 3 days basically (1crash a day, 3 servers)?? I have a couple of servers (ok, a LOT more than a couple). My crash ratio is approximately 1:30days. And those crashes are 99% certain plugins. Do you know why you are getting this many crashes? (srcds isn't my favorite server to admin, but 1:3days is about how often I used to get AVP crashes) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LDuke Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:15 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] Error Boxes -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Someone asked me this, but I didn't know the answer. Anyone know the solution to this: On a side note, Homer and I have been trying desperately on our Win2K3 server box to somehow disable the error reporting on srcds.exe when it encounters a runtime error and displays that horrible dialogue pop-up where the user must click OK to get rid of the error. We don't see these too often, maybe once a day across 3 CSS servers on the same host. We have disabled all native Win error reporting via GUI controls on the OS and have even changed some registry values, but still to no avail, we keep getting these error pop-ups. Since we use MeanServerLoader (prolly know this one as it goes way back with older CS 1.X server admins) and it essentially creates an NT service which will restart srcds.exe but only if the pid/process is killed or goes away which circles back around to that dreaded pop-up and when it's active, so is srcds.exe, only in an invalid non-working state. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] RE: Valve are you listening?
Wheelchair ramp for the humor impaired.. cute.. see now that's why I still stick around. :) -LOL Btw as to this place not being a place to 'bitch', thats bunk, back in the day numerous issues were eventually addressed due to constant 'bitching' on this list, they just usually lag 6 to 12 months. That said I dont even own HL2, so I could careless about the current debate, I'm just here for the yuks and to drag out the thwack stick when called for. :) *alt-tab's back to poker game* ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] [hlds}Dedicated Server Issues
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Not sure if this is where I should go with this, but I recently decided to host my own dedicated server for Counter-Stirke: CZ. I was going to make my own clan because me and a couple friends wanted to be in it. My problem is, when I go to run the dedicated server through Steam, the server can never connect to the Steam servers. I've tried turning off my firewall and opening ports in my router, but the information that it gives to open a port on my linksys router says that i should make the name of the opening certain name and the name they give is one character longer than the max my router allows. I don't know if this is the problem but something is wrong and I can't figure it out... - What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] [hlds}Dedicated Server Issues
Naming the ports that you open are for your reference. That way you can glance at them and know why you opened them. Though the D.S. Should connect to the Content Servers without a hitch... make sure you are using the HLDSupdatetool and it is the current version. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Not sure if this is where I should go with this, but I recently decided to host my own dedicated server for Counter-Stirke: CZ. I was going to make my own clan because me and a couple friends wanted to be in it. My problem is, when I go to run the dedicated server through Steam, the server can never connect to the Steam servers. I've tried turning off my firewall and opening ports in my router, but the information that it gives to open a port on my linksys router says that i should make the name of the opening certain name and the name they give is one character longer than the max my router allows. I don't know if this is the problem but something is wrong and I can't figure it out... - What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR.
If nothing else is changing on the box, then it is a virus or something of that nature. Just as an off chance ... Are you running any mods? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whisper Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 2:07 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hardware problem it is then Or Virus or something thats compromised the box On 2/18/06, Munra -hlds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that but When I have to do that every 4 hours There is something else wrong And I would like to run custom content with out it changing which it does and de_dust2 is not the only stock map changing - Original Message - From: Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Delete the file from the server Run the hldsupdatetool.exe with the verify option on On 2/18/06, Munra -hlds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is what is Happaning a file such as de_dust2.bsp has a md5 number of fc18094cf822fab9f04567a9b8d4057d This is the clients map This is the md5 of the map on the server ce1eea21c756bbe84e65b3b852c0c1da See what is going on. we jsut can't find what is causeing this I mean I can donwload the server file and then play de_dust2 fine but no one else can. - Original Message - From: Munra -hlds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. Not over clocking the CPUs - Original Message - From: Robert Dodd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. And if the files all match, so are not actually corrupted, then the routine that checks the MD5 values is failing. Overclocked CPU? On Feb 16, 2006, at 3:59 PM, Kevin Ottalini wrote: Irv, The next time this starts to happen, run the updatetool with - verify_all and save the log, then grep Downloading and post the list of downloaded files here. The question this will answer is are only the BSPs changing or is other game content also changing Scenario 1: Various game content on disk is changing over time in spite of never being written. (implies that O/S and other on-disk content is also getting corrupted as well) Possible Causes: 1. disk problem 2. cable problem 3. power supply problem or intermittent power cables 4. bad cooling causing overheating 5. bad disk controller electronics 6. some other motherboard problem 7. malicious activity Scenario 2: only the map BSPs are changing on disk (including stock maps) Possible Causes 1. malicious activity - Original Message - From: irv carlson To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:59 PM Subject: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. It happens with all stock or at one time or another any custom map we run in no recognizable pattern. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] RE: Closed Captioning (for those who aren't listening :^)
You could attempt to write a DirectX overlay, but it would probably require some serious programming. Basically you'd need to detect sounds and make a visual overlay to display these visual clues. To avoid getting busted by VAC, you'd probably need to loop the audio output back into the audio input. However, I play with just music all the time, and while it does penalize you it's not quite as huge as you might expect. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Sorenson Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 1:17 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] RE: Closed Captioning (for those who aren't listening :^) At 10:44 PM 2/17/2006 -0600, you wrote: What would be CC'd in a multiplayer game? Things like gunfire, the direction and volume thereof, perhaps some rustling sounds when a player jumps or reloads. Tell ya what, take off the headphones and try to play. You're completely visual. Now imagine playing that way against people with headphones, who can hear you moving. Suddenly hearing is a rather vital resource in-game. That's all I'm after here is giving my friends equal access to an FPS. The bot's sayings are display w/ or w/o the CC. Sorry, I heard them but I didn't see them, hence I asked about server-side variables I might be missing. - Dan * Dan Sorenson DoD #1066 A.H.M.C. #35 [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Vikings? There ain't no vikings here. Just us honest farmers. * * The town was burning, the villagers were dead. They didn't need * * those sheep anyway. That's our story and we're sticking to it. * ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] [hlds}Dedicated Server Issues
Even better. I have the solution to all your problems. http://www.portforward.com/default.htm Read, learn, and lose the n00b clothes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 1:42 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] [hlds}Dedicated Server Issues Naming the ports that you open are for your reference. That way you can glance at them and know why you opened them. Though the D.S. Should connect to the Content Servers without a hitch... make sure you are using the HLDSupdatetool and it is the current version. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Not sure if this is where I should go with this, but I recently decided to host my own dedicated server for Counter-Stirke: CZ. I was going to make my own clan because me and a couple friends wanted to be in it. My problem is, when I go to run the dedicated server through Steam, the server can never connect to the Steam servers. I've tried turning off my firewall and opening ports in my router, but the information that it gives to open a port on my linksys router says that i should make the name of the opening certain name and the name they give is one character longer than the max my router allows. I don't know if this is the problem but something is wrong and I can't figure it out... - What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Error Boxes
Yes I no longer get AVP server crashes. I managed to do this with some major software hacking to my hosting software. Basically, I removed the line belonging to AVP in my Oracle table that corresponds to a particular offering. Then I deleted the scripts. Then I notified the customers that we were no longer offering AVP. So now I've gotten 0 AVP crashes in 8months. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chorizo Omelet Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 2:14 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Error Boxes You don't get AVP crashes anymore? HOW? Can you email me off-list? Sorry in advance to all of the list purist. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart Stegall Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 10:22 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Error Boxes Before we fix this problem ... You get approximately 1 Crash per 3 days basically (1crash a day, 3 servers)?? I have a couple of servers (ok, a LOT more than a couple). My crash ratio is approximately 1:30days. And those crashes are 99% certain plugins. Do you know why you are getting this many crashes? (srcds isn't my favorite server to admin, but 1:3days is about how often I used to get AVP crashes) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LDuke Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:15 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] Error Boxes -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Someone asked me this, but I didn't know the answer. Anyone know the solution to this: On a side note, Homer and I have been trying desperately on our Win2K3 server box to somehow disable the error reporting on srcds.exe when it encounters a runtime error and displays that horrible dialogue pop-up where the user must click OK to get rid of the error. We don't see these too often, maybe once a day across 3 CSS servers on the same host. We have disabled all native Win error reporting via GUI controls on the OS and have even changed some registry values, but still to no avail, we keep getting these error pop-ups. Since we use MeanServerLoader (prolly know this one as it goes way back with older CS 1.X server admins) and it essentially creates an NT service which will restart srcds.exe but only if the pid/process is killed or goes away which circles back around to that dreaded pop-up and when it's active, so is srcds.exe, only in an invalid non-working state. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Error Boxes
LOL, I knew this would be your answer! It is the same one I arrived at. It is too bad they wont release the source code. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart Stegall Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 2:00 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Error Boxes Yes I no longer get AVP server crashes. I managed to do this with some major software hacking to my hosting software. Basically, I removed the line belonging to AVP in my Oracle table that corresponds to a particular offering. Then I deleted the scripts. Then I notified the customers that we were no longer offering AVP. So now I've gotten 0 AVP crashes in 8months. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chorizo Omelet Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 2:14 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Error Boxes You don't get AVP crashes anymore? HOW? Can you email me off-list? Sorry in advance to all of the list purist. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart Stegall Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 10:22 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Error Boxes Before we fix this problem ... You get approximately 1 Crash per 3 days basically (1crash a day, 3 servers)?? I have a couple of servers (ok, a LOT more than a couple). My crash ratio is approximately 1:30days. And those crashes are 99% certain plugins. Do you know why you are getting this many crashes? (srcds isn't my favorite server to admin, but 1:3days is about how often I used to get AVP crashes) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LDuke Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:15 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] Error Boxes -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Someone asked me this, but I didn't know the answer. Anyone know the solution to this: On a side note, Homer and I have been trying desperately on our Win2K3 server box to somehow disable the error reporting on srcds.exe when it encounters a runtime error and displays that horrible dialogue pop-up where the user must click OK to get rid of the error. We don't see these too often, maybe once a day across 3 CSS servers on the same host. We have disabled all native Win error reporting via GUI controls on the OS and have even changed some registry values, but still to no avail, we keep getting these error pop-ups. Since we use MeanServerLoader (prolly know this one as it goes way back with older CS 1.X server admins) and it essentially creates an NT service which will restart srcds.exe but only if the pid/process is killed or goes away which circles back around to that dreaded pop-up and when it's active, so is srcds.exe, only in an invalid non-working state. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR.
i will do that but we know the is it called the checksum or md5 hash is what is changing just on the server and only the mapfiles but here is the kicker we played last night and we have ventrillo 16 people were in the server and the map changed half downloaded the map and the others had it let all 16 people in. then 5 min into the map . then two people tryed to join and it told them the map differed then we checked the md5 code and it was changed so we had to go to a differant map but i will have this done and post it for you From: Kevin Ottalini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:59:38 -0800 Irv, The next time this starts to happen, run the updatetool with -verify_all and save the log, then grep Downloading and post the list of downloaded files here. The question this will answer is are only the BSPs changing or is other game content also changing Scenario 1: Various game content on disk is changing over time in spite of never being written. (implies that O/S and other on-disk content is also getting corrupted as well) Possible Causes: 1. disk problem 2. cable problem 3. power supply problem or intermittent power cables 4. bad cooling causing overheating 5. bad disk controller electronics 6. some other motherboard problem 7. malicious activity Scenario 2: only the map BSPs are changing on disk (including stock maps) Possible Causes 1. malicious activity - Original Message - From: irv carlson To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:59 PM Subject: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. It happens with all stock or at one time or another any custom map we run in no recognizable pattern. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR.
we dont overclock anything no need to the 1U has enough power From: Munra -hlds [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 01:26:56 -0500 This is what is Happaning a file such as de_dust2.bsp has a md5 number of fc18094cf822fab9f04567a9b8d4057d This is the clients map This is the md5 of the map on the server ce1eea21c756bbe84e65b3b852c0c1da See what is going on. we jsut can't find what is causeing this I mean I can donwload the server file and then play de_dust2 fine but no one else can. - Original Message - From: Munra -hlds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. Not over clocking the CPUs - Original Message - From: Robert Dodd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. And if the files all match, so are not actually corrupted, then the routine that checks the MD5 values is failing. Overclocked CPU? On Feb 16, 2006, at 3:59 PM, Kevin Ottalini wrote: Irv, The next time this starts to happen, run the updatetool with - verify_all and save the log, then grep Downloading and post the list of downloaded files here. The question this will answer is are only the BSPs changing or is other game content also changing Scenario 1: Various game content on disk is changing over time in spite of never being written. (implies that O/S and other on-disk content is also getting corrupted as well) Possible Causes: 1. disk problem 2. cable problem 3. power supply problem or intermittent power cables 4. bad cooling causing overheating 5. bad disk controller electronics 6. some other motherboard problem 7. malicious activity Scenario 2: only the map BSPs are changing on disk (including stock maps) Possible Causes 1. malicious activity - Original Message - From: irv carlson To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:59 PM Subject: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. It happens with all stock or at one time or another any custom map we run in no recognizable pattern. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR.
we do not have a virus From: Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:07:29 +1100 -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hardware problem it is then Or Virus or something thats compromised the box On 2/18/06, Munra -hlds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that but When I have to do that every 4 hours There is something else wrong And I would like to run custom content with out it changing which it does and de_dust2 is not the only stock map changing - Original Message - From: Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Delete the file from the server Run the hldsupdatetool.exe with the verify option on On 2/18/06, Munra -hlds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is what is Happaning a file such as de_dust2.bsp has a md5 number of fc18094cf822fab9f04567a9b8d4057d This is the clients map This is the md5 of the map on the server ce1eea21c756bbe84e65b3b852c0c1da See what is going on. we jsut can't find what is causeing this I mean I can donwload the server file and then play de_dust2 fine but no one else can. - Original Message - From: Munra -hlds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. Not over clocking the CPUs - Original Message - From: Robert Dodd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. And if the files all match, so are not actually corrupted, then the routine that checks the MD5 values is failing. Overclocked CPU? On Feb 16, 2006, at 3:59 PM, Kevin Ottalini wrote: Irv, The next time this starts to happen, run the updatetool with - verify_all and save the log, then grep Downloading and post the list of downloaded files here. The question this will answer is are only the BSPs changing or is other game content also changing Scenario 1: Various game content on disk is changing over time in spite of never being written. (implies that O/S and other on-disk content is also getting corrupted as well) Possible Causes: 1. disk problem 2. cable problem 3. power supply problem or intermittent power cables 4. bad cooling causing overheating 5. bad disk controller electronics 6. some other motherboard problem 7. malicious activity Scenario 2: only the map BSPs are changing on disk (including stock maps) Possible Causes 1. malicious activity - Original Message - From: irv carlson To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:59 PM Subject: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. It happens with all stock or at one time or another any custom map we run in no recognizable pattern. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit:
[hlds] Whining or true?
I think Valve is not sure whether the complaints are real or are from whiners. For example: On the client side the video test in CS:S gave me an average FPS of 110, and that data was sent to Valve. But in the real world my system would be unplayable at times. The FPS would drop when all the players were together fighting. So some would complain to Valve about the FPS but Valve had it's data (from the video test) telling them everyone was getting decent FPS'. Also, I'm sure there was a lot of hackers crying to Valve saying they were just good players and got banned because of their skill. So Valve took the opinion that there was not that many hacks out there and all complaining were just whiners. I think that some of the info that Valve got was not real world experiences and when we complain that are not sure if it's legit or Whining. So, I would suggest that when you see an e-mail that you have experienced then to let them know. I understand how frustrating it can be. I am personally extremely frustrated. So, now I beat my dog. It's okay cause he's ugly and I think he likes it. ;) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.11/264 - Release Date: 2/17/2006 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR.
My only guess after everything I have to believe ... Either you are getting some type of security problem (and if you get infected before your AV gets installed or the security exploit hits before you update. Or the other option is that you have a very very strange bug. My guess is you are getting a hacker or some other type of security problem. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of irv carlson Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 9:51 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. we do not have a virus From: Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:07:29 +1100 -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hardware problem it is then Or Virus or something thats compromised the box On 2/18/06, Munra -hlds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that but When I have to do that every 4 hours There is something else wrong And I would like to run custom content with out it changing which it does and de_dust2 is not the only stock map changing - Original Message - From: Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Delete the file from the server Run the hldsupdatetool.exe with the verify option on On 2/18/06, Munra -hlds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is what is Happaning a file such as de_dust2.bsp has a md5 number of fc18094cf822fab9f04567a9b8d4057d This is the clients map This is the md5 of the map on the server ce1eea21c756bbe84e65b3b852c0c1da See what is going on. we jsut can't find what is causeing this I mean I can donwload the server file and then play de_dust2 fine but no one else can. - Original Message - From: Munra -hlds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. Not over clocking the CPUs - Original Message - From: Robert Dodd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. And if the files all match, so are not actually corrupted, then the routine that checks the MD5 values is failing. Overclocked CPU? On Feb 16, 2006, at 3:59 PM, Kevin Ottalini wrote: Irv, The next time this starts to happen, run the updatetool with - verify_all and save the log, then grep Downloading and post the list of downloaded files here. The question this will answer is are only the BSPs changing or is other game content also changing Scenario 1: Various game content on disk is changing over time in spite of never being written. (implies that O/S and other on-disk content is also getting corrupted as well) Possible Causes: 1. disk problem 2. cable problem 3. power supply problem or intermittent power cables 4. bad cooling causing overheating 5. bad disk controller electronics 6. some other motherboard problem 7. malicious activity Scenario 2: only the map BSPs are changing on disk (including stock maps) Possible Causes 1. malicious activity - Original Message - From: irv carlson To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:59 PM Subject: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. It happens with all stock or at one time or another any custom map we run in no recognizable pattern. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR.
irv carlson wrote: we do not have a virus From: Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:07:29 +1100 -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hardware problem it is then Or Virus or something thats compromised the box On 2/18/06, Munra -hlds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that but When I have to do that every 4 hours There is something else wrong And I would like to run custom content with out it changing which it does and de_dust2 is not the only stock map changing - Original Message - From: Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Delete the file from the server Run the hldsupdatetool.exe with the verify option on On 2/18/06, Munra -hlds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is what is Happaning a file such as de_dust2.bsp has a md5 number of fc18094cf822fab9f04567a9b8d4057d This is the clients map This is the md5 of the map on the server ce1eea21c756bbe84e65b3b852c0c1da See what is going on. we jsut can't find what is causeing this I mean I can donwload the server file and then play de_dust2 fine but no one else can. - Original Message - From: Munra -hlds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. Not over clocking the CPUs - Original Message - From: Robert Dodd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. And if the files all match, so are not actually corrupted, then the routine that checks the MD5 values is failing. Overclocked CPU? On Feb 16, 2006, at 3:59 PM, Kevin Ottalini wrote: Irv, The next time this starts to happen, run the updatetool with - verify_all and save the log, then grep Downloading and post the list of downloaded files here. The question this will answer is are only the BSPs changing or is other game content also changing Scenario 1: Various game content on disk is changing over time in spite of never being written. (implies that O/S and other on-disk content is also getting corrupted as well) Possible Causes: 1. disk problem 2. cable problem 3. power supply problem or intermittent power cables 4. bad cooling causing overheating 5. bad disk controller electronics 6. some other motherboard problem 7. malicious activity Scenario 2: only the map BSPs are changing on disk (including stock maps) Possible Causes 1. malicious activity - Original Message - From: irv carlson To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:59 PM Subject: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. It happens with all stock or at one time or another any custom map we run in no recognizable pattern. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit:
Re: [hlds] Whining or true?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I think you are right, I mean the general opinion does matter and should be considered by the ever churning valve machine but when it all comes down to it the fact is your dog is ugly. :) On 2/18/06, DT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Valve is not sure whether the complaints are real or are from whiners. For example: On the client side the video test in CS:S gave me an average FPS of 110, and that data was sent to Valve. But in the real world my system would be unplayable at times. The FPS would drop when all the players were together fighting. So some would complain to Valve about the FPS but Valve had it's data (from the video test) telling them everyone was getting decent FPS'. Also, I'm sure there was a lot of hackers crying to Valve saying they were just good players and got banned because of their skill. So Valve took the opinion that there was not that many hacks out there and all complaining were just whiners. I think that some of the info that Valve got was not real world experiences and when we complain that are not sure if it's legit or Whining. So, I would suggest that when you see an e-mail that you have experienced then to let them know. I understand how frustrating it can be. I am personally extremely frustrated. So, now I beat my dog. It's okay cause he's ugly and I think he likes it. ;) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.11/264 - Release Date: 2/17/2006 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR.
It seems a little strange that if it were either a virus or hacker that only the map files for the CS server would be changed. I've never heard of a virus that targeted Counter-Strike installs. Seems to me that it's probably a hardware problem. What happens if you chkdsk /F the drive? --DH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart Stegall Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 10:20 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. My only guess after everything I have to believe ... Either you are getting some type of security problem (and if you get infected before your AV gets installed or the security exploit hits before you update. Or the other option is that you have a very very strange bug. My guess is you are getting a hacker or some other type of security problem. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of irv carlson Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 9:51 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. we do not have a virus From: Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:07:29 +1100 -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hardware problem it is then Or Virus or something thats compromised the box On 2/18/06, Munra -hlds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that but When I have to do that every 4 hours There is something else wrong And I would like to run custom content with out it changing which it does and de_dust2 is not the only stock map changing - Original Message - From: Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Delete the file from the server Run the hldsupdatetool.exe with the verify option on On 2/18/06, Munra -hlds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is what is Happaning a file such as de_dust2.bsp has a md5 number of fc18094cf822fab9f04567a9b8d4057d This is the clients map This is the md5 of the map on the server ce1eea21c756bbe84e65b3b852c0c1da See what is going on. we jsut can't find what is causeing this I mean I can donwload the server file and then play de_dust2 fine but no one else can. - Original Message - From: Munra -hlds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. Not over clocking the CPUs - Original Message - From: Robert Dodd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. And if the files all match, so are not actually corrupted, then the routine that checks the MD5 values is failing. Overclocked CPU? On Feb 16, 2006, at 3:59 PM, Kevin Ottalini wrote: Irv, The next time this starts to happen, run the updatetool with - verify_all and save the log, then grep Downloading and post the list of downloaded files here. The question this will answer is are only the BSPs changing or is other game content also changing Scenario 1: Various game content on disk is changing over time in spite of never being written. (implies that O/S and other on-disk content is also getting corrupted as well) Possible Causes: 1. disk problem 2. cable problem 3. power supply problem or intermittent power cables 4. bad cooling causing overheating 5. bad disk controller electronics 6. some other motherboard problem 7. malicious activity Scenario 2: only the map BSPs are changing on disk (including stock maps) Possible Causes 1. malicious activity - Original Message - From: irv carlson To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:59 PM Subject: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. It happens with all stock or at one time or another any custom map we run in no recognizable pattern. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe,
RE: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR.
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I attended an medium sized LAN party, 32 people, a few weeks ago and we had this same problem until we turned off VAC for the LAN. After that we didn't have and problems with the Map Differs from server. When we did have the map problem it took about 5 to 10 retrys before the maps we the Same. Bug?? Could be. ---Original Message--- From: Dan Herrstrom Date: 02/19/06 00:18:44 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. It seems a little strange that if it were either a virus or hacker that only the map files for the CS server would be changed. I've never heard of a virus that targeted Counter-Strike installs. Seems to me that it's probably a hardware problem. What happens if you chkdsk /F the drive? --DH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart Stegall Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 10:20 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. My only guess after everything I have to believe ... Either you are getting some type of security problem (and if you get infected before your AV gets installed or the security exploit hits before you update. Or the other option is that you have a very very strange bug. My guess is you are getting a hacker or some other type of security problem. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of irv carlson Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 9:51 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. we do not have a virus From: Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:07:29 +1100 -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hardware problem it is then Or Virus or something thats compromised the box On 2/18/06, Munra -hlds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that but When I have to do that every 4 hours There is something else wrong And I would like to run custom content with out it changing which it does and de_dust2 is not the only stock map changing - Original Message - From: Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Delete the file from the server Run the hldsupdatetool.exe with the verify option on On 2/18/06, Munra -hlds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is what is Happaning a file such as de_dust2.bsp has a md5 number of fc18094cf822fab9f04567a9b8d4057d This is the clients map This is the md5 of the map on the server ce1eea21c756bbe84e65b3b852c0c1da See what is going on. we jsut can't find what is causeing this I mean I can donwload the server file and then play de_dust2 fine but no one else can. - Original Message - From: Munra -hlds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. Not over clocking the CPUs - Original Message - From: Robert Dodd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. And if the files all match, so are not actually corrupted, then the routine that checks the MD5 values is failing. Overclocked CPU? On Feb 16, 2006, at 3:59 PM, Kevin Ottalini wrote: Irv, The next time this starts to happen, run the updatetool with - verify_all and save the log, then grep Downloading and post the list of downloaded files here. The question this will answer is are only the BSPs changing or is other game content also changing Scenario 1: Various game content on disk is changing over time in spite of never being written. (implies that O/S and other on-disk content is also getting corrupted as well) Possible Causes: 1. disk problem 2. cable problem 3. power supply problem or intermittent power cables 4. bad cooling causing overheating 5. bad disk controller electronics 6. some other motherboard problem 7. malicious activity Scenario 2: only the map BSPs are changing on disk (including stock maps) Possible Causes 1. malicious activity - Original Message - From: irv carlson To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:59 PM
[hlds] New bug/hack
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Ok I get xfired from a admin of mine saying the game is all retarded at first I think he is screwing with me so I go in and seems like its MASSIVLY lagging at first. I am like ok check this out check everything out box isn't doing jack I restart it fixed at first then goes retarded again. So im like ok wth This must be some bug on valves side which it probably was cause I ran the same beetlesmod for MONTHS without changing it in any case update 3 files with beetles mod and they ban 2-3 people right off and boom no more problem. I don't know what beetle banned or whatever but can we please get whatever this was fixed like made us move really slow and choppy -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR.
Its possible. But they (irv and Munra) were having the same problem with hlds srcds on windows and linux. It looks likely that someone is targeting them or there is some element of this that we are missing ... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Welsh Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 11:45 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I attended an medium sized LAN party, 32 people, a few weeks ago and we had this same problem until we turned off VAC for the LAN. After that we didn't have and problems with the Map Differs from server. When we did have the map problem it took about 5 to 10 retrys before the maps we the Same. Bug?? Could be. ---Original Message--- From: Dan Herrstrom Date: 02/19/06 00:18:44 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. It seems a little strange that if it were either a virus or hacker that only the map files for the CS server would be changed. I've never heard of a virus that targeted Counter-Strike installs. Seems to me that it's probably a hardware problem. What happens if you chkdsk /F the drive? --DH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart Stegall Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 10:20 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. My only guess after everything I have to believe ... Either you are getting some type of security problem (and if you get infected before your AV gets installed or the security exploit hits before you update. Or the other option is that you have a very very strange bug. My guess is you are getting a hacker or some other type of security problem. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of irv carlson Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 9:51 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. we do not have a virus From: Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:07:29 +1100 -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hardware problem it is then Or Virus or something thats compromised the box On 2/18/06, Munra -hlds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that but When I have to do that every 4 hours There is something else wrong And I would like to run custom content with out it changing which it does and de_dust2 is not the only stock map changing - Original Message - From: Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Delete the file from the server Run the hldsupdatetool.exe with the verify option on On 2/18/06, Munra -hlds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is what is Happaning a file such as de_dust2.bsp has a md5 number of fc18094cf822fab9f04567a9b8d4057d This is the clients map This is the md5 of the map on the server ce1eea21c756bbe84e65b3b852c0c1da See what is going on. we jsut can't find what is causeing this I mean I can donwload the server file and then play de_dust2 fine but no one else can. - Original Message - From: Munra -hlds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. Not over clocking the CPUs - Original Message - From: Robert Dodd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. And if the files all match, so are not actually corrupted, then the routine that checks the MD5 values is failing. Overclocked CPU? On Feb 16, 2006, at 3:59 PM, Kevin Ottalini wrote: Irv, The next time this starts to happen, run the updatetool with - verify_all and save the log, then grep Downloading and post the list of downloaded files here. The question this will answer is are only the BSPs changing or is other game content also changing Scenario 1: Various game content on disk is changing over time in spite of never being written. (implies that O/S and other on-disk content is also getting corrupted as well) Possible Causes: 1. disk problem 2. cable problem 3.
Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR.
It will happen when the server is not even running - Original MessagIe - From: Richard Welsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:44 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I attended an medium sized LAN party, 32 people, a few weeks ago and we had this same problem until we turned off VAC for the LAN. After that we didn't have and problems with the Map Differs from server. When we did have the map problem it took about 5 to 10 retrys before the maps we the Same. Bug?? Could be. ---Original Message--- From: Dan Herrstrom Date: 02/19/06 00:18:44 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. It seems a little strange that if it were either a virus or hacker that only the map files for the CS server would be changed. I've never heard of a virus that targeted Counter-Strike installs. Seems to me that it's probably a hardware problem. What happens if you chkdsk /F the drive? --DH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart Stegall Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 10:20 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. My only guess after everything I have to believe ... Either you are getting some type of security problem (and if you get infected before your AV gets installed or the security exploit hits before you update. Or the other option is that you have a very very strange bug. My guess is you are getting a hacker or some other type of security problem. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of irv carlson Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 9:51 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. we do not have a virus From: Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:07:29 +1100 -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hardware problem it is then Or Virus or something thats compromised the box On 2/18/06, Munra -hlds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that but When I have to do that every 4 hours There is something else wrong And I would like to run custom content with out it changing which it does and de_dust2 is not the only stock map changing - Original Message - From: Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Delete the file from the server Run the hldsupdatetool.exe with the verify option on On 2/18/06, Munra -hlds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is what is Happaning a file such as de_dust2.bsp has a md5 number of fc18094cf822fab9f04567a9b8d4057d This is the clients map This is the md5 of the map on the server ce1eea21c756bbe84e65b3b852c0c1da See what is going on. we jsut can't find what is causeing this I mean I can donwload the server file and then play de_dust2 fine but no one else can. - Original Message - From: Munra -hlds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. Not over clocking the CPUs - Original Message - From: Robert Dodd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR. And if the files all match, so are not actually corrupted, then the routine that checks the MD5 values is failing. Overclocked CPU? On Feb 16, 2006, at 3:59 PM, Kevin Ottalini wrote: Irv, The next time this starts to happen, run the updatetool with - verify_all and save the log, then grep Downloading and post the list of downloaded files here. The question this will answer is are only the BSPs changing or is other game content also changing Scenario 1: Various game content on disk is changing over time in spite of never being written. (implies that O/S and other on-disk content is also getting corrupted as well) Possible Causes: 1. disk problem 2. cable problem 3. power supply problem or intermittent power cables 4. bad cooling causing overheating 5. bad disk controller electronics 6. some other motherboard problem 7. malicious activity Scenario 2: only the map BSPs are changing on disk (including stock maps) Possible
Re: [hlds] New bug/hack
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Buddy, we are all suffering from a variety of issues, we are all trying to be heard.in your case I hope you wore your flame retardent suit though cause these guys are mean and your post is just asking for some retaliation. I personally agree with the parts I can understand. On 2/19/06, sprout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Ok I get xfired from a admin of mine saying the game is all retarded at first I think he is screwing with me so I go in and seems like its MASSIVLY lagging at first. I am like ok check this out check everything out box isn't doing jack I restart it fixed at first then goes retarded again. So im like ok wth This must be some bug on valves side which it probably was cause I ran the same beetlesmod for MONTHS without changing it in any case update 3 files with beetles mod and they ban 2-3 people right off and boom no more problem. I don't know what beetle banned or whatever but can we please get whatever this was fixed like made us move really slow and choppy -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] New bug/hack
I'm glad someone understood the post:-( -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian M Frain (eternal) Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:44 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] New bug/hack -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Buddy, we are all suffering from a variety of issues, we are all trying to be heard.in your case I hope you wore your flame retardent suit though cause these guys are mean and your post is just asking for some retaliation. I personally agree with the parts I can understand. On 2/19/06, sprout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Ok I get xfired from a admin of mine saying the game is all retarded at first I think he is screwing with me so I go in and seems like its MASSIVLY lagging at first. I am like ok check this out check everything out box isn't doing jack I restart it fixed at first then goes retarded again. So im like ok wth This must be some bug on valves side which it probably was cause I ran the same beetlesmod for MONTHS without changing it in any case update 3 files with beetles mod and they ban 2-3 people right off and boom no more problem. I don't know what beetle banned or whatever but can we please get whatever this was fixed like made us move really slow and choppy -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] New bug/hack
Maybe I alone, but I am not really sure what your problem is. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason O. Washburn Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:51 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] New bug/hack I'm glad someone understood the post:-( -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian M Frain (eternal) Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:44 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] New bug/hack -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Buddy, we are all suffering from a variety of issues, we are all trying to be heard.in your case I hope you wore your flame retardent suit though cause these guys are mean and your post is just asking for some retaliation. I personally agree with the parts I can understand. On 2/19/06, sprout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Ok I get xfired from a admin of mine saying the game is all retarded at first I think he is screwing with me so I go in and seems like its MASSIVLY lagging at first. I am like ok check this out check everything out box isn't doing jack I restart it fixed at first then goes retarded again. So im like ok wth This must be some bug on valves side which it probably was cause I ran the same beetlesmod for MONTHS without changing it in any case update 3 files with beetles mod and they ban 2-3 people right off and boom no more problem. I don't know what beetle banned or whatever but can we please get whatever this was fixed like made us move really slow and choppy -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] The Famous Your Map de_dust differs from the server ERROR.
At 05:07 PM 2/18/2006 -0500, you wrote: No mods and no virus I mean this would Happen hours after a format and a fresh install of windows or linux Do you know a good virus scanner For Linux?? McAffee make an anti-virus product for Linux, however I can't say if it's good or not. Ever tried setting the runlevel to single-user and seeing if it repeats on the Linux box? Or fresh install on LAN-only to ensure there's no outside vector for infection? It sounds like a virus, but at this point I'd start wondering about hardware too. I'd make a copy of those maps onto a different partition or different device, do the isolation thing, and then diff them -- it could be something as simple as a flakey bit of RAM causing the checksum generation to go wonky. - Dan * Dan Sorenson DoD #1066 A.H.M.C. #35 [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Vikings? There ain't no vikings here. Just us honest farmers. * * The town was burning, the villagers were dead. They didn't need * * those sheep anyway. That's our story and we're sticking to it. * ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] New bug/hack
WAAA like I have ever cared what half these people say half these people don't know what they are talking about. I am glad someone read my email though actually cause someone understood it. Why the hell would u even respond if you can't understand it? Such retarded people on this list. I could care less what these people have to say. Emails about bugs or hacks are ment for valve why people yet again respond to them knowing they can't help my problem why would they respond again. Not even to mention I said I fixed my problem. See screw these people I am not afraid of getting flamed on this list cause if people took time to think about it Cause if you look at your email box I am staring at it right now I see 4 emails within a couple minutes from 1 person another person irv carlson has 3 posts back to back to back about the same topic. So if you arn't from valve then go flame someone else u worthless pieces of shit, and stop flooding my mailbox - Original Message - From: Stuart Stegall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:57 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] New bug/hack Maybe I alone, but I am not really sure what your problem is. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason O. Washburn Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:51 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] New bug/hack I'm glad someone understood the post:-( -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian M Frain (eternal) Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:44 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] New bug/hack -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Buddy, we are all suffering from a variety of issues, we are all trying to be heard.in your case I hope you wore your flame retardent suit though cause these guys are mean and your post is just asking for some retaliation. I personally agree with the parts I can understand. On 2/19/06, sprout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Ok I get xfired from a admin of mine saying the game is all retarded at first I think he is screwing with me so I go in and seems like its MASSIVLY lagging at first. I am like ok check this out check everything out box isn't doing jack I restart it fixed at first then goes retarded again. So im like ok wth This must be some bug on valves side which it probably was cause I ran the same beetlesmod for MONTHS without changing it in any case update 3 files with beetles mod and they ban 2-3 people right off and boom no more problem. I don't know what beetle banned or whatever but can we please get whatever this was fixed like made us move really slow and choppy -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] New bug/hack
I'm not sure I understand. Are you trying to tell us that your dog ugly also? - Original Message - From: Jason O. Washburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 10:51 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] New bug/hack I'm glad someone understood the post:-( -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian M Frain (eternal) Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:44 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] New bug/hack -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Buddy, we are all suffering from a variety of issues, we are all trying to be heard.in your case I hope you wore your flame retardent suit though cause these guys are mean and your post is just asking for some retaliation. I personally agree with the parts I can understand. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] New bug/hack
Great another bum that knows everything but continues to post questions and writes emails like a 3rd grader:-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sprout Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 1:40 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] New bug/hack WAAA like I have ever cared what half these people say half these people don't know what they are talking about. I am glad someone read my email though actually cause someone understood it. Why the hell would u even respond if you can't understand it? Such retarded people on this list. I could care less what these people have to say. Emails about bugs or hacks are ment for valve why people yet again respond to them knowing they can't help my problem why would they respond again. Not even to mention I said I fixed my problem. See screw these people I am not afraid of getting flamed on this list cause if people took time to think about it Cause if you look at your email box I am staring at it right now I see 4 emails within a couple minutes from 1 person another person irv carlson has 3 posts back to back to back about the same topic. So if you arn't from valve then go flame someone else u worthless pieces of shit, and stop flooding my mailbox - Original Message - From: Stuart Stegall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:57 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] New bug/hack Maybe I alone, but I am not really sure what your problem is. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason O. Washburn Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:51 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] New bug/hack I'm glad someone understood the post:-( -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian M Frain (eternal) Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:44 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] New bug/hack -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Buddy, we are all suffering from a variety of issues, we are all trying to be heard.in your case I hope you wore your flame retardent suit though cause these guys are mean and your post is just asking for some retaliation. I personally agree with the parts I can understand. On 2/19/06, sprout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Ok I get xfired from a admin of mine saying the game is all retarded at first I think he is screwing with me so I go in and seems like its MASSIVLY lagging at first. I am like ok check this out check everything out box isn't doing jack I restart it fixed at first then goes retarded again. So im like ok wth This must be some bug on valves side which it probably was cause I ran the same beetlesmod for MONTHS without changing it in any case update 3 files with beetles mod and they ban 2-3 people right off and boom no more problem. I don't know what beetle banned or whatever but can we please get whatever this was fixed like made us move really slow and choppy -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
