Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
Seems like you, guys, are trying to make decisions for your community. Personally I'm not going to do anything with my servers as long as my community is playing there. Simply because I spent all these money building community not hosting servers and I won't hurt my community just to express my feelings about someone's decisions. On 10/12/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is probobly the worst idea possible for the game. But I'm looking at a different angle than most (unless I missed it. I didn't read every post in this thread), Lets recap a bit and do a quick look into the crystal ball; 1) The people most responsible for the continuing success of the game are the admins. They are the ones PAYING for the servers, running them, and keeping the game online and active. 2) There are players (and admins) that really are a bad influence on gameplay and people's reaction to the game as a whole. 3) The best servers are where there is aactive administration by the people running the server, and it's members (clan) police the aforementioned players. 4) If Valve forces advertising in the game, THE PEOPLE PAYING THE BILLS will expect that some of that advertising money will flow downstream. Nobody will want to pay money out of their pockes so someone else can make money. 5) Nearly every current server will shutdown unless there is a return to the admins. Some of the servers have been running for over 5 years with no return of any kind to the operators. It is labour of love. Multiply a monthly server cost over 4 years. It's a considerable expendeture that could well have been spent one something tangeble like a new motorcycle or extra mortgage payments. 6) Every opportunist will start a server for possible financial gains if there IS a monitary return. This will include individuals, and corporate entities. Team [EMAIL PROTECTED], team goldencasino.com, team watchmycam, etc., ad. nauseum. 7) Any corporate entity running a server will DEMAND that their ads get priority on their servers. 8) At this point we have the tail wagging the dog. Since corporate servers will dominate the list, and the private server owners abandoning the game for BF42, Quake, or any number of games (yes Valve, you aren't the only game in town), Valve will have to capitulate to maintain whatever cash flow models they have scribbled on the Corporate Washroom walls in their top floor offices. 9) Goodbye and thanks for all the fish. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I really couldn't care less about what they do with source games or even Hl1mods as long as its not going on inside my server. now if there talking about tossing up adds to players in the server when there playing and interupting game play to spam adds, then thats will ill shut down all of my servers. ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 12/09/06 18:15:34 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6 This is probobly the worst idea possible for the game. But I'm looking at a different angle than most (unless I missed it. I didn't read every post in this thread), Lets recap a bit and do a quick look into the crystal ball; 1) The people most responsible for the continuing success of the game are the admins. They are the ones PAYING for the servers, running them, and keeping the game online and active. 2) There are players (and admins) that really are a bad influence on gameplay and people's reaction to the game as a whole. 3) The best servers are where there is aactive administration by the people running the server, and it's members (clan) police the aforementioned players. 4) If Valve forces advertising in the game, THE PEOPLE PAYING THE BILLS will expect that some of that advertising money will flow downstream. Nobody will want to pay money out of their pockes so someone else can make money. 5) Nearly every current server will shutdown unless there is a return to the admins. Some of the servers have been running for over 5 years with no return of any kind to the operators. It is labour of love. Multiply a monthly server cost over 4 years. It's a considerable expendeture that could well have been spent one something tangeble like a new motorcycle or extra mortgage payments. 6) Every opportunist will start a server for possible financial gains if there IS a monitary return. This will include individuals, and corporate entities. Team [EMAIL PROTECTED], team goldencasino.com, team watchmycam, etc., ad. nauseum. 7) Any corporate entity running a server will DEMAND that their ads get priority on their servers. 8) At this point we have the tail wagging the dog. Since corporate servers will dominate the list, and the private server owners abandoning the game for BF42, Quake, or any number of games (yes Valve, you aren't the only game in town), Valve will have to capitulate to maintain whatever cash flow models they have scribbled on the Corporate Washroom walls in their top floor offices. 9) Goodbye and thanks for all the fish. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
This is probobly the worst idea possible for the game. But I'm looking at a different angle than most (unless I missed it. I didn't read every post in this thread), Lets recap a bit and do a quick look into the crystal ball; 1) The people most responsible for the continuing success of the game are the admins. They are the ones PAYING for the servers, running them, and keeping the game online and active. 2) There are players (and admins) that really are a bad influence on gameplay and people's reaction to the game as a whole. 3) The best servers are where there is aactive administration by the people running the server, and it's members (clan) police the aforementioned players. 4) If Valve forces advertising in the game, THE PEOPLE PAYING THE BILLS will expect that some of that advertising money will flow downstream. Nobody will want to pay money out of their pockes so someone else can make money. 5) Nearly every current server will shutdown unless there is a return to the admins. Some of the servers have been running for over 5 years with no return of any kind to the operators. It is labour of love. Multiply a monthly server cost over 4 years. It's a considerable expendeture that could well have been spent one something tangeble like a new motorcycle or extra mortgage payments. 6) Every opportunist will start a server for possible financial gains if there IS a monitary return. This will include individuals, and corporate entities. Team [EMAIL PROTECTED], team goldencasino.com, team watchmycam, etc., ad. nauseum. 7) Any corporate entity running a server will DEMAND that their ads get priority on their servers. 8) At this point we have the tail wagging the dog. Since corporate servers will dominate the list, and the private server owners abandoning the game for BF42, Quake, or any number of games (yes Valve, you aren't the only game in town), Valve will have to capitulate to maintain whatever cash flow models they have scribbled on the Corporate Washroom walls in their top floor offices. 9) Goodbye and thanks for all the fish. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
Enlighten me? Please?
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LOL you obviously don't know much about the law chad.
---Original Message---
From: Chad
Date: 12/09/06 14:47:36
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
here is what came up in the retail cd istallation
YOU SHOULD CAREFULLY READ THE FOLLOWING END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT
BEFORE INSTALLING THIS SOFTWARE PROGRAM. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH THE
TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT, YOU MAY NOT INSTALL THE SOFTWARE AND MUST
IMMEDIATELY RETURN IT FOR A REFUND FROM YOUR RETAILER OR SIERRA.
This software program, any printed materials, any on-line or electronic
documentation, and any and all copies and derivative works of such
software program and materials (the "Program") are the copyrighted work
of Sierra On-Line, Inc., its subsidiaries, licensors and/or its
suppliers. All use of the Program is governed by the terms of the End
User License Agreement which is provided below ("License Agreement").
The Program is solely for use by end users according to the terms of the
License Agreement. Any use, reproduction or redistribution of the
Program not in accordance with the terms of the License Agreement is
expressly prohibited. The Program consists in part of content and/or
code (collectively, the ID-Content) licensed from Id Software, Inc. (Id
Software). Id Software’s rights with respect to the ID-Content are
protected pursuant to the terms of this License Agreement and as
otherwise protectable under applicable law.
END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT
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and by installing the Program you thereby accept, a limited,
non-exclusive license and right to install and use one (1) copy of the
Program for your personal use on either a home or portable computer. You
may not network the Program or otherwise install it or use it on more
than one computer at a time. The Program contains a Level Editor (the
"Editor") that allows you to create custom levels or other materials for
your personal, noncommercial use in connection with the Program ("New
Materials"). All use of the Editor is subject to this License Agreement.
The Program is licensed, not sold. Your license confers no title or
ownership in the Program.
2. Ownership. All title, ownership rights and intellectual property
rights in and to the Program and any and all copies thereof (including
but not limited to any titles, computer code, themes, objects,
characters, character names, stories, text, dialog, catch phrases,
locations, concepts, artwork, animations, sounds, musical compositions,
audio-visual effects, methods of operation, moral rights, any related
documentation, and "applets" incorporated into the Program) are owned by
Sierra or its licensors and/or Id Software. The Program is protected by
the copyright laws of the United States, international copyright
treaties and conventions and other laws. All rights are reserved. The
Program may contain certain licensed materials and Sierra’s licensors
and/or Id Software may act to protect their rights in the event of any
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in part, copy, photocopy, reproduce, translate, reverse engineer, derive
source code from, modify, disassemble, decompile, modify, alter,
publicly display, or create derivative works based on the Program, or
remove any proprietary notices or labels on the Program.
B. The Program is licensed to you as a single product. Its component
parts may not be separated for use on more than one computer.
C. You are entitled to use the Program and New Materials for your own
personal use, but you are not entitled to:
(i) sell or transfer reproductions of the Program to other parties in
any way, nor to rent, lease or license the Program to others;
(ii) exploit the Program or any of its respective parts for any
commercial purpose including, but not limited to, use at a cyber café,
computer gaming center or any other location-based site;
(iii) use or allow third parties to use the Editor and the New Materials
created thereby for commercial purposes including, but not limited to,
distribution of New Materials on a stand alone basis or packaged with
other software or hardware through any and all distribution channels,
including, but not limited to, retail sales and on-line electronic
distribution without the express written consent of Sierra. Sierra
encourages noncommercial distribution of quality new Program levels; if
you desire to commercially distribute New Materials, please contact
Sierra for the terms and conditions under which such New Materials may
be commercially distributed; and/or
(iv) host or provide matchmaking services for the Program or emulate or
redirect the communication protocols used by Sierra in
Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
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Exactly and that's just one of many caveats that exist in doing business
with software companies.
Thanks for pointing that out.
---Original Message---
From: Ronny Schedel
Date: 12/09/06 15:27:42
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
Such EULAs are not valid in Germany, because you will see this EULA at
installation time and you can not give back an opened software package. So,
whatever this EULA tells us, it is not valid in every country of the world.
Regards
Ronny
- Original Message -
From: "Chad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
here is what came up in the retail cd istallation
YOU SHOULD CAREFULLY READ THE FOLLOWING END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT
BEFORE INSTALLING THIS SOFTWARE PROGRAM. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH THE
TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT, YOU MAY NOT INSTALL THE SOFTWARE AND MUST
IMMEDIATELY RETURN IT FOR A REFUND FROM YOUR RETAILER OR SIERRA.
This software program, any printed materials, any on-line or electronic
documentation, and any and all copies and derivative works of such
software program and materials (the "Program") are the copyrighted work
of Sierra On-Line, Inc., its subsidiaries, licensors and/or its
suppliers. All use of the Program is governed by the terms of the End
User License Agreement which is provided below ("License Agreement").
The Program is solely for use by end users according to the terms of the
License Agreement. Any use, reproduction or redistribution of the
Program not in accordance with the terms of the License Agreement is
expressly prohibited. The Program consists in part of content and/or
code (collectively, the ID-Content) licensed from Id Software, Inc. (Id
Software). Id Softwares rights with respect to the ID-Content are
protected pursuant to the terms of this License Agreement and as
otherwise protectable under applicable law.
END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT
1. Limited Use License. Sierra On-Line, Inc. ("Sierra") hereby grants,
and by installing the Program you thereby accept, a limited,
non-exclusive license and right to install and use one (1) copy of the
Program for your personal use on either a home or portable computer. You
may not network the Program or otherwise install it or use it on more
than one computer at a time. The Program contains a Level Editor (the
"Editor") that allows you to create custom levels or other materials for
your personal, noncommercial use in connection with the Program ("New
Materials"). All use of the Editor is subject to this License Agreement.
The Program is licensed, not sold. Your license confers no title or
ownership in the Program.
2. Ownership. All title, ownership rights and intellectual property
rights in and to the Program and any and all copies thereof (including
but not limited to any titles, computer code, themes, objects,
characters, character names, stories, text, dialog, catch phrases,
locations, concepts, artwork, animations, sounds, musical compositions,
audio-visual effects, methods of operation, moral rights, any related
documentation, and "applets" incorporated into the Program) are owned by
Sierra or its licensors and/or Id Software. The Program is protected by
the copyright laws of the United States, international copyright
treaties and conventions and other laws. All rights are reserved. The
Program may contain certain licensed materials and Sierras licensors
and/or Id Software may act to protect their rights in the event of any
violation of this License Agreement.
3. Responsibilities of End User.
A. Subject to the grant of license hereinabove, you may not, in whole or
in part, copy, photocopy, reproduce, translate, reverse engineer, derive
source code from, modify, disassemble, decompile, modify, alter,
publicly display, or create derivative works based on the Program, or
remove any proprietary notices or labels on the Program.
B. The Program is licensed to you as a single product. Its component
parts may not be separated for use on more than one computer.
C. You are entitled to use the Program and New Materials for your own
personal use, but you are not entitled to:
(i) sell or transfer reproductions of the Program to other parties in
any way, nor to rent, lease or license the Program to others;
(ii) exploit the Program or any of its respective parts for any
commercial purpose including, but not limited to, use at a cyber café,
computer gaming center or any other location-based site;
(iii) use or allow third parties to use the Editor and the New Materials
created thereby for commercial purposes including, but not limited to,
distribution of New Materials on a stand alone basis or packaged with
other software or hardware through any and all distribution channels,
including, but not limited to, retail sales and on-line electronic
distribution without the express written consent of Sierra. Sierra
en
Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
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LOL you obviously don't know much about the law chad.
---Original Message---
From: Chad
Date: 12/09/06 14:47:36
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
here is what came up in the retail cd istallation
YOU SHOULD CAREFULLY READ THE FOLLOWING END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT
BEFORE INSTALLING THIS SOFTWARE PROGRAM. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH THE
TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT, YOU MAY NOT INSTALL THE SOFTWARE AND MUST
IMMEDIATELY RETURN IT FOR A REFUND FROM YOUR RETAILER OR SIERRA.
This software program, any printed materials, any on-line or electronic
documentation, and any and all copies and derivative works of such
software program and materials (the "Program") are the copyrighted work
of Sierra On-Line, Inc., its subsidiaries, licensors and/or its
suppliers. All use of the Program is governed by the terms of the End
User License Agreement which is provided below ("License Agreement").
The Program is solely for use by end users according to the terms of the
License Agreement. Any use, reproduction or redistribution of the
Program not in accordance with the terms of the License Agreement is
expressly prohibited. The Program consists in part of content and/or
code (collectively, the ID-Content) licensed from Id Software, Inc. (Id
Software). Id Softwares rights with respect to the ID-Content are
protected pursuant to the terms of this License Agreement and as
otherwise protectable under applicable law.
END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT
1. Limited Use License. Sierra On-Line, Inc. ("Sierra") hereby grants,
and by installing the Program you thereby accept, a limited,
non-exclusive license and right to install and use one (1) copy of the
Program for your personal use on either a home or portable computer. You
may not network the Program or otherwise install it or use it on more
than one computer at a time. The Program contains a Level Editor (the
"Editor") that allows you to create custom levels or other materials for
your personal, noncommercial use in connection with the Program ("New
Materials"). All use of the Editor is subject to this License Agreement.
The Program is licensed, not sold. Your license confers no title or
ownership in the Program.
2. Ownership. All title, ownership rights and intellectual property
rights in and to the Program and any and all copies thereof (including
but not limited to any titles, computer code, themes, objects,
characters, character names, stories, text, dialog, catch phrases,
locations, concepts, artwork, animations, sounds, musical compositions,
audio-visual effects, methods of operation, moral rights, any related
documentation, and "applets" incorporated into the Program) are owned by
Sierra or its licensors and/or Id Software. The Program is protected by
the copyright laws of the United States, international copyright
treaties and conventions and other laws. All rights are reserved. The
Program may contain certain licensed materials and Sierras licensors
and/or Id Software may act to protect their rights in the event of any
violation of this License Agreement.
3. Responsibilities of End User.
A. Subject to the grant of license hereinabove, you may not, in whole or
in part, copy, photocopy, reproduce, translate, reverse engineer, derive
source code from, modify, disassemble, decompile, modify, alter,
publicly display, or create derivative works based on the Program, or
remove any proprietary notices or labels on the Program.
B. The Program is licensed to you as a single product. Its component
parts may not be separated for use on more than one computer.
C. You are entitled to use the Program and New Materials for your own
personal use, but you are not entitled to:
(i) sell or transfer reproductions of the Program to other parties in
any way, nor to rent, lease or license the Program to others;
(ii) exploit the Program or any of its respective parts for any
commercial purpose including, but not limited to, use at a cyber café,
computer gaming center or any other location-based site;
(iii) use or allow third parties to use the Editor and the New Materials
created thereby for commercial purposes including, but not limited to,
distribution of New Materials on a stand alone basis or packaged with
other software or hardware through any and all distribution channels,
including, but not limited to, retail sales and on-line electronic
distribution without the express written consent of Sierra. Sierra
encourages noncommercial distribution of quality new Program levels; if
you desire to commercially distribute New Materials, please contact
Sierra for the terms and conditions under which such New Materials may
be commercially distributed; and/or
(iv) host or provide matchmaking services for the Program or emulate or
redirect the communication protocols used by Sierra in the network
feature of the Program, through protocol emulation, tunneling, modifying
or adding components to the Progra
Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
Such EULAs are not valid in Germany, because you will see this EULA at
installation time and you can not give back an opened software package. So,
whatever this EULA tells us, it is not valid in every country of the world.
Regards
Ronny
- Original Message -
From: "Chad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
here is what came up in the retail cd istallation
YOU SHOULD CAREFULLY READ THE FOLLOWING END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT
BEFORE INSTALLING THIS SOFTWARE PROGRAM. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH THE
TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT, YOU MAY NOT INSTALL THE SOFTWARE AND MUST
IMMEDIATELY RETURN IT FOR A REFUND FROM YOUR RETAILER OR SIERRA.
This software program, any printed materials, any on-line or electronic
documentation, and any and all copies and derivative works of such
software program and materials (the "Program") are the copyrighted work
of Sierra On-Line, Inc., its subsidiaries, licensors and/or its
suppliers. All use of the Program is governed by the terms of the End
User License Agreement which is provided below ("License Agreement").
The Program is solely for use by end users according to the terms of the
License Agreement. Any use, reproduction or redistribution of the
Program not in accordance with the terms of the License Agreement is
expressly prohibited. The Program consists in part of content and/or
code (collectively, the ID-Content) licensed from Id Software, Inc. (Id
Software). Id Software’s rights with respect to the ID-Content are
protected pursuant to the terms of this License Agreement and as
otherwise protectable under applicable law.
END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT
1. Limited Use License. Sierra On-Line, Inc. ("Sierra") hereby grants,
and by installing the Program you thereby accept, a limited,
non-exclusive license and right to install and use one (1) copy of the
Program for your personal use on either a home or portable computer. You
may not network the Program or otherwise install it or use it on more
than one computer at a time. The Program contains a Level Editor (the
"Editor") that allows you to create custom levels or other materials for
your personal, noncommercial use in connection with the Program ("New
Materials"). All use of the Editor is subject to this License Agreement.
The Program is licensed, not sold. Your license confers no title or
ownership in the Program.
2. Ownership. All title, ownership rights and intellectual property
rights in and to the Program and any and all copies thereof (including
but not limited to any titles, computer code, themes, objects,
characters, character names, stories, text, dialog, catch phrases,
locations, concepts, artwork, animations, sounds, musical compositions,
audio-visual effects, methods of operation, moral rights, any related
documentation, and "applets" incorporated into the Program) are owned by
Sierra or its licensors and/or Id Software. The Program is protected by
the copyright laws of the United States, international copyright
treaties and conventions and other laws. All rights are reserved. The
Program may contain certain licensed materials and Sierra’s licensors
and/or Id Software may act to protect their rights in the event of any
violation of this License Agreement.
3. Responsibilities of End User.
A. Subject to the grant of license hereinabove, you may not, in whole or
in part, copy, photocopy, reproduce, translate, reverse engineer, derive
source code from, modify, disassemble, decompile, modify, alter,
publicly display, or create derivative works based on the Program, or
remove any proprietary notices or labels on the Program.
B. The Program is licensed to you as a single product. Its component
parts may not be separated for use on more than one computer.
C. You are entitled to use the Program and New Materials for your own
personal use, but you are not entitled to:
(i) sell or transfer reproductions of the Program to other parties in
any way, nor to rent, lease or license the Program to others;
(ii) exploit the Program or any of its respective parts for any
commercial purpose including, but not limited to, use at a cyber café,
computer gaming center or any other location-based site;
(iii) use or allow third parties to use the Editor and the New Materials
created thereby for commercial purposes including, but not limited to,
distribution of New Materials on a stand alone basis or packaged with
other software or hardware through any and all distribution channels,
including, but not limited to, retail sales and on-line electronic
distribution without the express written consent of Sierra. Sierra
encourages noncommercial distribution of quality new Program levels; if
you desire to commercially distribute New Materials, please contact
Sierra for the terms and conditions under which such New Materials may
be commercially distributed; and/or
(iv) host or provide matchmaking services for the Program or emulate or
redirect the communication p
Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
Well like I have said in my forums.If they blend it into a game where it's not so obtrusive it wouldn't be that bad.Like making the coke machines on office actual coke machines of ballz machines or making the computers actual dell computers ect.But I can see signs put into the game that look akin to billboards advertising game servers.Which would suck considering I sell them cheaply to fund my community or webhosting.Which I also sell cheaply to fund my community. I wouldn't be quite as pissed off about it,but like said before,they took away the server operators rights to put their own image into the fast downloads bandwidth advertisements only to replace it with their own in the future.Can anyone say..."Wait we can make money from this!" And like some have said in my community,"Well in BF2142 you can block XX ip addy and it will stop the stream of ads to your client." Well judging by how VALVe is they will go off and make it server side and write it into the engine as such that if you block XX ip addy server side it will fail to activate the Non-Update VAC or it won't auth with the STEAM servers.Or something along those lines. And the very main issue that really pisses me off.I have always told my community to the best of my abilities this would be a non-advertised community.Meaning no google adwords.No google ads.No in-game spamming trying to get people to buy stuff ect.And here comes VALVe on the copy cat train.**Choo Choo** I'm sure and postive for VALVe it would be a good move.I don't doubt that a bit.More money = more stuff.But will that stuff be employees and updates, or house boats and cars? -BeNt- /rant http://www.gorillazsouth.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
here is what came up in the retail cd istallation
YOU SHOULD CAREFULLY READ THE FOLLOWING END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT
BEFORE INSTALLING THIS SOFTWARE PROGRAM. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH THE
TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT, YOU MAY NOT INSTALL THE SOFTWARE AND MUST
IMMEDIATELY RETURN IT FOR A REFUND FROM YOUR RETAILER OR SIERRA.
This software program, any printed materials, any on-line or electronic
documentation, and any and all copies and derivative works of such
software program and materials (the "Program") are the copyrighted work
of Sierra On-Line, Inc., its subsidiaries, licensors and/or its
suppliers. All use of the Program is governed by the terms of the End
User License Agreement which is provided below ("License Agreement").
The Program is solely for use by end users according to the terms of the
License Agreement. Any use, reproduction or redistribution of the
Program not in accordance with the terms of the License Agreement is
expressly prohibited. The Program consists in part of content and/or
code (collectively, the ID-Content) licensed from Id Software, Inc. (Id
Software). Id Software’s rights with respect to the ID-Content are
protected pursuant to the terms of this License Agreement and as
otherwise protectable under applicable law.
END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT
1. Limited Use License. Sierra On-Line, Inc. ("Sierra") hereby grants,
and by installing the Program you thereby accept, a limited,
non-exclusive license and right to install and use one (1) copy of the
Program for your personal use on either a home or portable computer. You
may not network the Program or otherwise install it or use it on more
than one computer at a time. The Program contains a Level Editor (the
"Editor") that allows you to create custom levels or other materials for
your personal, noncommercial use in connection with the Program ("New
Materials"). All use of the Editor is subject to this License Agreement.
The Program is licensed, not sold. Your license confers no title or
ownership in the Program.
2. Ownership. All title, ownership rights and intellectual property
rights in and to the Program and any and all copies thereof (including
but not limited to any titles, computer code, themes, objects,
characters, character names, stories, text, dialog, catch phrases,
locations, concepts, artwork, animations, sounds, musical compositions,
audio-visual effects, methods of operation, moral rights, any related
documentation, and "applets" incorporated into the Program) are owned by
Sierra or its licensors and/or Id Software. The Program is protected by
the copyright laws of the United States, international copyright
treaties and conventions and other laws. All rights are reserved. The
Program may contain certain licensed materials and Sierra’s licensors
and/or Id Software may act to protect their rights in the event of any
violation of this License Agreement.
3. Responsibilities of End User.
A. Subject to the grant of license hereinabove, you may not, in whole or
in part, copy, photocopy, reproduce, translate, reverse engineer, derive
source code from, modify, disassemble, decompile, modify, alter,
publicly display, or create derivative works based on the Program, or
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Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Right but remember way back when sierra sold thousands of the same CD keys to the same buyers. That was a major screw up, so there are circumstances were Valve can be sued and made to pay for there actions. I'll bet valve/sierra were never sued over that and they should have been. I'm sure if you went over the TOS with a fine tooth comb you would find something to get back at them for all of the crap they have told us they would do but never did and are doing but never told us they would do when we purchased the game in the first place. Example: the DOD dev team said DODS would be a direct port for many months and buyers of the silver and other packs thought they would be getting what they were told and then the DOD dev team said we have decided to just make a whole new game. and now look at DODS it sucks. I'll never purchase another valve product again thats for damn sure. what is more i hope gabe dies from choking on a doughnut that fat disgusting slob. ---Original Message--- From: Ben Date: 12/09/06 14:03:36 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6 -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] You never buy a game, just a "license" to play it. Well that is how publishers put it now, so I don't think that will work. On 12/9/06, kyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Someone needs to look over the valve/steam TOS and see if there is a way > they can be sued in order to stop them from being total jackasses and > ruining the games we all paid for months and years ago. > > I mean if we all bought a game and it didn't say in the TOS "in the > future > we will be pumping adds to you in game" , then we all have a possible > lawsuit against Valve/steam if they do this. > > its a form of bait and switch and an annoying one at that. > Now i haven't been reading this entire thread because im just sick and > tired > of hearing people whine about what the latest screw over valve has done to > there customers. but if you really want to stop valve from fucking up the > game or games you have purchased in the past by adding or changing them in > the future, then take them to court or shut the fuck up. > > ---Original Message--- > > From: Dustin Tuft > Date: 12/9/2006 1:11:40 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6 > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > I can see your point, but when was the last time you sat down to play a > board game like Risk only to be interrupted every so often by some guy > trying to get you to buy a chess board? > > The fact is playing a computer game is not the same thing a watching TV, > and > sure I would most likely not go back to rabbit ears, but at least I have a > choice, what Valve is planning is taking the choice away, they all ready > have the money for you game, now they are going to change the rules so > gain > more money. I guess maybe we will have to come up with ValVo so we can > skip > the ads just like our friends at TiVo did, opps that doesn't work so well > with real time gaming huh...And as for blocking, how would anyone planning > on blocking ads sent to the game engine? Last time I checked the program > decided what you see, here is a neat Idea for ya valve, why not have water > mark ads, think of the new ways you can annoy your gaming player pool with > a > Tide water mark over every thing a client see. Or hey why not a little > logo > in the corner like all the Cable Stations load so you know for sure who is > providing you the goods? > > Dustin Tuft > > > > > Subject: RE: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6> From: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 > 07:28:24 -0500> > "... waffling more than John Kerry." ROFL!> > Okay... > seriously now. I've seen this all before and you guys are 100% correct to > be > concerned but you're also spitting into the wind. The times they are a > changin and in-game adds are comin. To quote a phrase oft used by one > incredibly sexy ex-Borg... "resistance is futile".> > I'm a bit older > then; > well... all of you (hehehe), and I lived through this before. No, not adds > in movie theaters... that was relatively recent... I'm talking about Cable > Television. Back in the dark ages (before computers) there was but a > handful > of channels, available only via "Rabbit Ears" or an antennae on your roof. > Then one day someone mentioned that we would soon be introduced to > something > called Cable Television and that we would have to pay a monthly fee to > watch > TV. The world laughed out loud at such a ridiculous concept... "Pay to > watch > the television I already paid for?... Not on your life"! Or so we > thought.> > > Now don't get me wrong... you can still use an antenna if you want, but > who among us really wants to go back
Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] You never buy a game, just a "license" to play it. Well that is how publishers put it now, so I don't think that will work. On 12/9/06, kyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Someone needs to look over the valve/steam TOS and see if there is a way > they can be sued in order to stop them from being total jackasses and > ruining the games we all paid for months and years ago. > > I mean if we all bought a game and it didn't say in the TOS "in the > future > we will be pumping adds to you in game" , then we all have a possible > lawsuit against Valve/steam if they do this. > > its a form of bait and switch and an annoying one at that. > Now i haven't been reading this entire thread because im just sick and > tired > of hearing people whine about what the latest screw over valve has done to > there customers. but if you really want to stop valve from fucking up the > game or games you have purchased in the past by adding or changing them in > the future, then take them to court or shut the fuck up. > > ---Original Message--- > > From: Dustin Tuft > Date: 12/9/2006 1:11:40 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6 > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > I can see your point, but when was the last time you sat down to play a > board game like Risk only to be interrupted every so often by some guy > trying to get you to buy a chess board? > > The fact is playing a computer game is not the same thing a watching TV, > and > sure I would most likely not go back to rabbit ears, but at least I have a > choice, what Valve is planning is taking the choice away, they all ready > have the money for you game, now they are going to change the rules so > gain > more money. I guess maybe we will have to come up with ValVo so we can > skip > the ads just like our friends at TiVo did, opps that doesn't work so well > with real time gaming huh...And as for blocking, how would anyone planning > on blocking ads sent to the game engine? Last time I checked the program > decided what you see, here is a neat Idea for ya valve, why not have water > mark ads, think of the new ways you can annoy your gaming player pool with > a > Tide water mark over every thing a client see. Or hey why not a little > logo > in the corner like all the Cable Stations load so you know for sure who is > providing you the goods? > > Dustin Tuft > > > > > Subject: RE: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6> From: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 > 07:28:24 -0500> > "... waffling more than John Kerry." ROFL!> > Okay... > seriously now. I've seen this all before and you guys are 100% correct to > be > concerned but you're also spitting into the wind. The times they are a > changin and in-game adds are comin. To quote a phrase oft used by one > incredibly sexy ex-Borg... "resistance is futile".> > I'm a bit older > then; > well... all of you (hehehe), and I lived through this before. No, not adds > in movie theaters... that was relatively recent... I'm talking about Cable > Television. Back in the dark ages (before computers) there was but a > handful > of channels, available only via "Rabbit Ears" or an antennae on your roof. > Then one day someone mentioned that we would soon be introduced to > something > called Cable Television and that we would have to pay a monthly fee to > watch > TV. The world laughed out loud at such a ridiculous concept... "Pay to > watch > the television I already paid for?... Not on your life"! Or so we > thought.> > > Now don't get me wrong... you can still use an antenna if you want, but > who among us really wants to go back to 7 snowy channels spewing forth the > party line when we can have hundreds of crystal clear channels with > something that fits just about every taste and style?> > Remember... when > your done changing, you're done.> > > -Original Message-> From: > [DMA]RocketUSA [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 08, > 2006 4:03 PM> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> Subject: RE: Re: [hlds] > VALVe > wants advertisements in CS 1.6> > > IF this all is true, Valve is waffling > more than John Kerry. Think about> this. They disable the content server > loading banner for all of us that> provide servers for this game, AT NO > CHARGE TO THEM, and now they see that> they can make revenue off of not > just > that but IN GAME also so it's o.k.?> > I'm not liking this ride if it's > true > > > -Original Message-> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > net> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 1:08 PM> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > com> Subject: Re: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6> > Some > of > you seem to "get it". For the others, corporations are all about> making > money and they will continually try to c
RE: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Someone needs to look over the valve/steam TOS and see if there is a way they can be sued in order to stop them from being total jackasses and ruining the games we all paid for months and years ago. I mean if we all bought a game and it didn't say in the TOS "in the future we will be pumping adds to you in game" , then we all have a possible lawsuit against Valve/steam if they do this. its a form of bait and switch and an annoying one at that. Now i haven't been reading this entire thread because im just sick and tired of hearing people whine about what the latest screw over valve has done to there customers. but if you really want to stop valve from fucking up the game or games you have purchased in the past by adding or changing them in the future, then take them to court or shut the fuck up. ---Original Message--- From: Dustin Tuft Date: 12/9/2006 1:11:40 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6 -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I can see your point, but when was the last time you sat down to play a board game like Risk only to be interrupted every so often by some guy trying to get you to buy a chess board? The fact is playing a computer game is not the same thing a watching TV, and sure I would most likely not go back to rabbit ears, but at least I have a choice, what Valve is planning is taking the choice away, they all ready have the money for you game, now they are going to change the rules so gain more money. I guess maybe we will have to come up with ValVo so we can skip the ads just like our friends at TiVo did, opps that doesn't work so well with real time gaming huh...And as for blocking, how would anyone planning on blocking ads sent to the game engine? Last time I checked the program decided what you see, here is a neat Idea for ya valve, why not have water mark ads, think of the new ways you can annoy your gaming player pool with a Tide water mark over every thing a client see. Or hey why not a little logo in the corner like all the Cable Stations load so you know for sure who is providing you the goods? Dustin Tuft > Subject: RE: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 07:28:24 -0500> > "... waffling more than John Kerry." ROFL!> > Okay... seriously now. I've seen this all before and you guys are 100% correct to be concerned but you're also spitting into the wind. The times they are a changin and in-game adds are comin. To quote a phrase oft used by one incredibly sexy ex-Borg... "resistance is futile".> > I'm a bit older then; well... all of you (hehehe), and I lived through this before. No, not adds in movie theaters... that was relatively recent... I'm talking about Cable Television. Back in the dark ages (before computers) there was but a handful of channels, available only via "Rabbit Ears" or an antennae on your roof. Then one day someone mentioned that we would soon be introduced to something called Cable Television and that we would have to pay a monthly fee to watch TV. The world laughed out loud at such a ridiculous concept... "Pay to watch the television I already paid for?... Not on your life"! Or so we thought.> > Now don't get me wrong... you can still use an antenna if you want, but who among us really wants to go back to 7 snowy channels spewing forth the party line when we can have hundreds of crystal clear channels with something that fits just about every taste and style?> > Remember... when your done changing, you're done.> > > -Original Message-> From: [DMA]RocketUSA [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 4:03 PM> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> Subject: RE: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6> > > IF this all is true, Valve is waffling more than John Kerry. Think about> this. They disable the content server loading banner for all of us that> provide servers for this game, AT NO CHARGE TO THEM, and now they see that> they can make revenue off of not just that but IN GAME also so it's o.k.?> > I'm not liking this ride if it's true > > -Original Message-> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of> [EMAIL PROTECTED] net> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 1:08 PM> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] com> Subject: Re: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6> > Some of you seem to "get it". For the others, corporations are all about> making money and they will continually try to come up with ways to make> more. As long as what they do continues to make them money (or in this case> even more money), they will not change. They would not implement a change> unless they believed that their gains (in advertising revenues) would> outweigh any losses (in gamers). Alot of people like to play this game and> will continue to play no matter what. Most GSP's will continue to host until> they are no
RE: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I can see your point, but when was the last time you sat down to play a board game like Risk only to be interrupted every so often by some guy trying to get you to buy a chess board? The fact is playing a computer game is not the same thing a watching TV, and sure I would most likely not go back to rabbit ears, but at least I have a choice, what Valve is planning is taking the choice away, they all ready have the money for you game, now they are going to change the rules so gain more money. I guess maybe we will have to come up with ValVo so we can skip the ads just like our friends at TiVo did, opps that doesn't work so well with real time gaming huh...And as for blocking, how would anyone planning on blocking ads sent to the game engine? Last time I checked the program decided what you see, here is a neat Idea for ya valve, why not have water mark ads, think of the new ways you can annoy your gaming player pool with a Tide water mark over every thing a client see. Or hey why not a little logo in the corner like all the Cable Stations load so you know for sure who is providing you the goods? Dustin Tuft > Subject: RE: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6> From: [EMAIL > PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 07:28:24 > -0500> > "... waffling more than John Kerry." ROFL!> > Okay... seriously now. > I've seen this all before and you guys are 100% correct to be concerned but > you're also spitting into the wind. The times they are a changin and in-game > adds are comin. To quote a phrase oft used by one incredibly sexy ex-Borg... > "resistance is futile".> > I'm a bit older then; well... all of you (hehehe), > and I lived through this before. No, not adds in movie theaters... that was > relatively recent... I'm talking about Cable Television. Back in the dark > ages (before computers) there was but a handful of channels, available only > via "Rabbit Ears" or an antennae on your roof. Then one day someone mentioned > that we would soon be introduced to something called Cable Television and > that we would have to pay a monthly fee to watch TV. The world laughed out > loud at such a ridiculous concept... "Pay to watch the television I already > paid for?... Not on your life"! Or so we thought.> > Now don't get me > wrong... you can still use an antenna if you want, but who among us really > wants to go back to 7 snowy channels spewing forth the party line when we can > have hundreds of crystal clear channels with something that fits just about > every taste and style?> > Remember... when your done changing, you're done.> > > > -Original Message-> From: [DMA]RocketUSA [mailto:[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 4:03 PM> To: > hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> Subject: RE: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants > advertisements in CS 1.6> > > IF this all is true, Valve is waffling more > than John Kerry. Think about> this. They disable the content server loading > banner for all of us that> provide servers for this game, AT NO CHARGE TO > THEM, and now they see that> they can make revenue off of not just that but > IN GAME also so it's o.k.?> > I'm not liking this ride if it's true.> > > -Original Message-> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto:[EMAIL > PROTECTED] On Behalf Of> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 > 1:08 PM> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> Subject: Re: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants > advertisements in CS 1.6> > Some of you seem to "get it". For the others, > corporations are all about> making money and they will continually try to > come up with ways to make> more. As long as what they do continues to make > them money (or in this case> even more money), they will not change. They > would not implement a change> unless they believed that their gains (in > advertising revenues) would> outweigh any losses (in gamers). Alot of people > like to play this game and> will continue to play no matter what. Most GSP's > will continue to host until> they are no longer making money. In the end, its > a waiting game. Does their> gamble pay off or not? Only the players, the > GSP's and time will tell.> > Me? I shut my server down. Time to move on to > another game and see if I can> find some of the fun that I use to have > playing CS.> > Just my .02> >> > From: Wojciech H <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > > Date: 2006/12/08 Fri AM 11:28:57 CST> > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > > Subject: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6> >> > In game ads > have already been done, and Valve is just following the> > 'trend' I guess. > For instance, BF2142 has in game ads, and a lot of> > people did not buy the > game based on it.> >> > I think some arguments for having in game advertising > is to pay for> > maintaining: the games, the update system, the many more > updates/addons> > that people have started to expect, the master server > lists, etc.>
RE: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
Glad I'm not the old guy here. I'm only 50. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ook Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 13:18 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6 I quit counting at 45. 50 is waaayyy too close for comfort, and old age pains are already moving in. Youth just didn't last long enough, did it? But better to be old, crochety and wise then young and dumb :-P > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > 51. But who's counting. :) > > On 12/9/06, Ook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Easily. 47. But I'm sure there are a few here that can beat even that :) >> >> >> >> > Can ya beat 42?? >> > >> > :) >> > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date: 12/9/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date: 12/9/2006 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
I quit counting at 45. 50 is waaayyy too close for comfort, and old age pains are already moving in. Youth just didn't last long enough, did it? But better to be old, crochety and wise then young and dumb :-P -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] 51. But who's counting. :) On 12/9/06, Ook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Easily. 47. But I'm sure there are a few here that can beat even that :) > Can ya beat 42?? > > :) > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] People saying they are older than everyone else on the list are just playing a poker hand. On 12/10/06, HSantal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > 51. But who's counting. :) > > On 12/9/06, Ook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Easily. 47. But I'm sure there are a few here that can beat even that :) > > > > > > > > > Can ya beat 42?? > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > -- > I do what I can. > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- Biscuits -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] 51. But who's counting. :) On 12/9/06, Ook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Easily. 47. But I'm sure there are a few here that can beat even that :) > > > > > Can ya beat 42?? > > > > :) > > > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- I do what I can. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] DONT UPGRADE, DOWNGRADE TO WON
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Roman Hatsiev for one reason or for 2 (:Þ On 12/10/06, Roman Hatsiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Minor amendment to EULA and this project becomes illegal. Better > switch to cracked LAN servers then but be ready to handle enormous > amount of shit on your servers. I had this experience three years ago > before legal Valve games were made affordable to most local players > and I'm not going to jump back into this, never again. > > On 09/12/06, Chad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > one word > > steamlessproject.nl > > > > > > err, maybe two. > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- Biscuits -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Easily. 47. But I'm sure there are a few here that can beat even that :) Can ya beat 42?? :) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Minor amendment to EULA and this project becomes illegal. Better switch to cracked LAN servers then but be ready to handle enormous amount of shit on your servers. I had this experience three years ago before legal Valve games were made affordable to most local players and I'm not going to jump back into this, never again. On 09/12/06, Chad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: one word steamlessproject.nl err, maybe two. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I don't think people, and server operators in particular are pissed at Valve in regards to advertising or the concept thereof. Anybody remotely in touch with reality could see this coming a mile away. I think server operators feel, perhaps legitimately, pissed off by the fact that they saw an opportunity to recoup the costs of providing server hardware, administrating servers and the necessary bandwidth, only to be chopped off at the knees by Valve who then go out and grab the money for themselves, which does seem to stink of that very particular brand of selfish greed that really does piss a lot of people off. What the final result of all this is, can have many and varied possibilities, depending upon whether Valve are doing it to be as greedy as possible, or whether there is some greater overall plan that does make reasonable sense, other than Valve want to make as much money as possible whilst outlaying the least amount of expenditure. I realise this is a rather dessicated view, but it is my bet this is how people feel, and more importantly, this is how people perceive this is what is happening. Cheers Whisper On 12/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Can ya beat 42?? > > :) > > > > > From: "Edward Luna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: 2006/12/09 Sat AM 06:28:24 CST > > To: > > Subject: RE: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6 > > > > "... waffling more than John Kerry." ROFL! > > > > Okay... seriously now. I've seen this all before and you guys are 100% > correct to be concerned but you're also spitting into the wind. The times > they are a changin and in-game adds are comin. To quote a phrase oft used > by one incredibly sexy ex-Borg... "resistance is futile". > > > > I'm a bit older then; well... all of you (hehehe), and I lived through > this before. No, not adds in movie theaters... that was relatively > recent... I'm talking about Cable Television. Back in the dark ages (before > computers) there was but a handful of channels, available only via "Rabbit > Ears" or an antennae on your roof. Then one day someone mentioned that we > would soon be introduced to something called Cable Television and that we > would have to pay a monthly fee to watch TV. The world laughed out loud at > such a ridiculous concept... "Pay to watch the television I already paid > for?... Not on your life"! Or so we thought. > > > > Now don't get me wrong... you can still use an antenna if you want, but > who among us really wants to go back to 7 snowy channels spewing forth the > party line when we can have hundreds of crystal clear channels with > something that fits just about every taste and style? > > > > Remember... when your done changing, you're done. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [DMA]RocketUSA [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 4:03 PM > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > Subject: RE: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6 > > > > > > IF this all is true, Valve is waffling more than John Kerry. Think about > > this. They disable the content server loading banner for all of us that > > provide servers for this game, AT NO CHARGE TO THEM, and now they see > that > > they can make revenue off of not just that but IN GAME also so it's o.k > .? > > > > I'm not liking this ride if it's true. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 1:08 PM > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > Subject: Re: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6 > > > > Some of you seem to "get it". For the others, corporations are all about > > making money and they will continually try to come up with ways to make > > more. As long as what they do continues to make them money (or in this > case > > even more money), they will not change. They would not implement a > change > > unless they believed that their gains (in advertising revenues) would > > outweigh any losses (in gamers). Alot of people like to play this game > and > > will continue to play no matter what. Most GSP's will continue to host > until > > they are no longer making money. In the end, its a waiting game. Does > their > > gamble pay off or not? Only the players, the GSP's and time will tell. > > > > Me? I shut my server down. Time to move on to another game and see if I > can > > find some of the fun that I use to have playing CS. > > > > Just my .02 > > > > > > From: Wojciech H <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Date: 2006/12/08 Fri AM 11:28:57 CST > > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6 > > > > > > In game ads have already been done, and Valve is just following the > > > 'trend' I guess. For instance, BF2142 has in game ads, and a lot of > > > people did not buy the game based on it. > > > > > > I think some arguments for having in game advertising
Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
Can ya beat 42?? :) > > From: "Edward Luna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2006/12/09 Sat AM 06:28:24 CST > To: > Subject: RE: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6 > > "... waffling more than John Kerry." ROFL! > > Okay... seriously now. I've seen this all before and you guys are 100% > correct to be concerned but you're also spitting into the wind. The times > they are a changin and in-game adds are comin. To quote a phrase oft used by > one incredibly sexy ex-Borg... "resistance is futile". > > I'm a bit older then; well... all of you (hehehe), and I lived through this > before. No, not adds in movie theaters... that was relatively recent... I'm > talking about Cable Television. Back in the dark ages (before computers) > there was but a handful of channels, available only via "Rabbit Ears" or an > antennae on your roof. Then one day someone mentioned that we would soon be > introduced to something called Cable Television and that we would have to pay > a monthly fee to watch TV. The world laughed out loud at such a ridiculous > concept... "Pay to watch the television I already paid for?... Not on your > life"! Or so we thought. > > Now don't get me wrong... you can still use an antenna if you want, but who > among us really wants to go back to 7 snowy channels spewing forth the party > line when we can have hundreds of crystal clear channels with something that > fits just about every taste and style? > > Remember... when your done changing, you're done. > > > -Original Message- > From: [DMA]RocketUSA [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 4:03 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6 > > > IF this all is true, Valve is waffling more than John Kerry. Think about > this. They disable the content server loading banner for all of us that > provide servers for this game, AT NO CHARGE TO THEM, and now they see that > they can make revenue off of not just that but IN GAME also so it's o.k.? > > I'm not liking this ride if it's true. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 1:08 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6 > > Some of you seem to "get it". For the others, corporations are all about > making money and they will continually try to come up with ways to make > more. As long as what they do continues to make them money (or in this case > even more money), they will not change. They would not implement a change > unless they believed that their gains (in advertising revenues) would > outweigh any losses (in gamers). Alot of people like to play this game and > will continue to play no matter what. Most GSP's will continue to host until > they are no longer making money. In the end, its a waiting game. Does their > gamble pay off or not? Only the players, the GSP's and time will tell. > > Me? I shut my server down. Time to move on to another game and see if I can > find some of the fun that I use to have playing CS. > > Just my .02 > > > > From: Wojciech H <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: 2006/12/08 Fri AM 11:28:57 CST > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > Subject: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6 > > > > In game ads have already been done, and Valve is just following the > > 'trend' I guess. For instance, BF2142 has in game ads, and a lot of > > people did not buy the game based on it. > > > > I think some arguments for having in game advertising is to pay for > > maintaining: the games, the update system, the many more updates/addons > > that people have started to expect, the master server lists, etc. > > > > > > Dan E wrote: > > > As far as region specific, don't you specify what > > > language you speak when you install Steam? > > > > > > I'm personally ticked off that they want us to look at > > > ads in a game which we have already paid for. A demo > > > I can understand, but this is just rediculous. > > > > > > --- Steven Hartland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> This brings some interesting questions: > > >> * How are they going the ensure the adds are region > > >> specific > > >> This is required to ensure that the language is > > >> correct and > > >> local laws adhered to. > > >> * How are they going to deal with the case that the > > >> ad's > > >> may go against sponsorship deals for the servers or > > >> tournaments etc. > > >> > > >> Its not going to go down well if a Intel sponsored > > >> tourney > > >> started displaying adds for AMD processors in the > > >> middle > > >> of the match. > > >> > > >> By the same reasoning if provider X started > > >> advertising > > >> and this where to show up on provider Y's servers > > >> they > > >> would be understandably pissed. > > >> > > >> These are just two logistical issues which spring to > > >> mind. > > >> > > >> Steve >
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RE: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
"... waffling more than John Kerry." ROFL! Okay... seriously now. I've seen this all before and you guys are 100% correct to be concerned but you're also spitting into the wind. The times they are a changin and in-game adds are comin. To quote a phrase oft used by one incredibly sexy ex-Borg... "resistance is futile". I'm a bit older then; well... all of you (hehehe), and I lived through this before. No, not adds in movie theaters... that was relatively recent... I'm talking about Cable Television. Back in the dark ages (before computers) there was but a handful of channels, available only via "Rabbit Ears" or an antennae on your roof. Then one day someone mentioned that we would soon be introduced to something called Cable Television and that we would have to pay a monthly fee to watch TV. The world laughed out loud at such a ridiculous concept... "Pay to watch the television I already paid for?... Not on your life"! Or so we thought. Now don't get me wrong... you can still use an antenna if you want, but who among us really wants to go back to 7 snowy channels spewing forth the party line when we can have hundreds of crystal clear channels with something that fits just about every taste and style? Remember... when your done changing, you're done. -Original Message- From: [DMA]RocketUSA [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 4:03 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6 IF this all is true, Valve is waffling more than John Kerry. Think about this. They disable the content server loading banner for all of us that provide servers for this game, AT NO CHARGE TO THEM, and now they see that they can make revenue off of not just that but IN GAME also so it's o.k.? I'm not liking this ride if it's true. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 1:08 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6 Some of you seem to "get it". For the others, corporations are all about making money and they will continually try to come up with ways to make more. As long as what they do continues to make them money (or in this case even more money), they will not change. They would not implement a change unless they believed that their gains (in advertising revenues) would outweigh any losses (in gamers). Alot of people like to play this game and will continue to play no matter what. Most GSP's will continue to host until they are no longer making money. In the end, its a waiting game. Does their gamble pay off or not? Only the players, the GSP's and time will tell. Me? I shut my server down. Time to move on to another game and see if I can find some of the fun that I use to have playing CS. Just my .02 > > From: Wojciech H <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2006/12/08 Fri AM 11:28:57 CST > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6 > > In game ads have already been done, and Valve is just following the > 'trend' I guess. For instance, BF2142 has in game ads, and a lot of > people did not buy the game based on it. > > I think some arguments for having in game advertising is to pay for > maintaining: the games, the update system, the many more updates/addons > that people have started to expect, the master server lists, etc. > > > Dan E wrote: > > As far as region specific, don't you specify what > > language you speak when you install Steam? > > > > I'm personally ticked off that they want us to look at > > ads in a game which we have already paid for. A demo > > I can understand, but this is just rediculous. > > > > --- Steven Hartland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> This brings some interesting questions: > >> * How are they going the ensure the adds are region > >> specific > >> This is required to ensure that the language is > >> correct and > >> local laws adhered to. > >> * How are they going to deal with the case that the > >> ad's > >> may go against sponsorship deals for the servers or > >> tournaments etc. > >> > >> Its not going to go down well if a Intel sponsored > >> tourney > >> started displaying adds for AMD processors in the > >> middle > >> of the match. > >> > >> By the same reasoning if provider X started > >> advertising > >> and this where to show up on provider Y's servers > >> they > >> would be understandably pissed. > >> > >> These are just two logistical issues which spring to > >> mind. > >> > >> Steve > >> > >> > >> > >> This e.mail is private and confidential between > >> Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom > >> it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the > >> recipient is prohibited from using, copying, > >> printing or otherwise disseminating it or any > >> information contained in it. > >> > >> In the event of mi
Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
Well I didn't buy BF2142 due to this.If this happens I will no longer buy VALVe games.Which I currently own most of.And I've been looking for a really good reason to move my 6 year old community to a better game,which I thought CS:S would be nobody played it. So if this happens good bye CS Community hello BF2 and COD communities.We have started a thread in my forums about this and almost everyone is bitching about CS:S,STEAM and the way VALVe has run their show over the course of the last few years.And alot of people aren't happy.This move wouldn't crush VALVe due to the new players.But I can forsee this not being a good thing because alot of older school gamers who have played this game since '99 or before will be moving along to another game. Thanks god I reinstalled and patched my BF2 and COD/COD2 installs the other night.Guess it's time to contact insomnia about one of those ranked servers ;) Overall I'm not satisfied even if it is client side with someone making money off of my servers.Or any other server that is free to VALVe.If anything they should start putting community and mod advertisments into the game.GG VALVe way to ruin,at least, a half-way decent game for good. -BeNt- /rant http://www.gorillazsouth.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
Frankly I fail to see a connection between in-game ads and server hosting as long as we are discussing it from server operator perspective. Am I missing something? On 08/12/06, Saint K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: interview: advertisements coming to cs In-game advertisements are coming to Counter-Strike 1.6. Go ahead and let that sink in a bit. CS-Nation has the exclusive first interview with Valve's Doug Lombardi about this upcoming addition into the Counter-Strike world. CS-Nation: Many gamers who play CS 1.6 purchased the retail version. CS: Source was sold as part of the Half-Life 2 package. How do you think gamers who purchase your products will react to in-game ads? Doug Lombardi: We believe that gamers are going to expect and accept well-done advertising in games. We want to make sure that advertising does not detract from the game experience, so it is our hope that first time Counter-Strike purchasers will consider it simply as part of the game world. There are three information packed pages to this interview. Go ahead and give it a gander and voice your opinions in the comment section. --- Hey permanent screw heads. Your going to pay for my fucking server when you put up ads in it? Get bloody real! This SO pisses me off. We do all the fuckin work of hosting YOUR GAME on OUR SERVERS for fucking FREE and you are now going to use it as advertisement base? What the bloody fucking hell is wrong with you people? Forgive me for all the swearing, but i basicly feel like i've been fucked up the ass with a giant baseball batt. We pay the cost for the server hardware, we pay the costs for the bandwith and propper server locations, and your gettin all the money of it? If we put up some ads in our server to help fund it you go all wah wah treadning with lawsuites 'n shit, and now your pulling the very same shit, by putting the ads in, and taking money out of our own hands. Meaning we have to pay even more cause we wont attrackt our own advertisers anymore due to this shit? What a bunch of crap shit this is. Saint K. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
Saint K. wrote: interview: advertisements coming to cs In-game advertisements are coming to Counter-Strike 1.6. Go ahead and let that sink in a bit. CS-Nation has the exclusive first interview with Valve's Doug Lombardi about this upcoming addition into the Counter-Strike world. CS-Nation: Many gamers who play CS 1.6 purchased the retail version. CS: Source was sold as part of the Half-Life 2 package. How do you think gamers who purchase your products will react to in-game ads? Doug Lombardi: We believe that gamers are going to expect and accept well-done advertising in games. We want to make sure that advertising does not detract from the game experience, so it is our hope that first time Counter-Strike purchasers will consider it simply as part of the game world. There are three information packed pages to this interview. Go ahead and give it a gander and voice your opinions in the comment section. --- Hey permanent screw heads. Your going to pay for my fucking server when you put up ads in it? Get bloody real! This SO pisses me off. We do all the fuckin work of hosting YOUR GAME on OUR SERVERS for fucking FREE and you are now going to use it as advertisement base? What the bloody fucking hell is wrong with you people? Forgive me for all the swearing, but i basicly feel like i've been fucked up the ass with a giant baseball batt. We pay the cost for the server hardware, we pay the costs for the bandwith and propper server locations, and your gettin all the money of it? If we put up some ads in our server to help fund it you go all wah wah treadning with lawsuites 'n shit, and now your pulling the very same shit, by putting the ads in, and taking money out of our own hands. Meaning we have to pay even more cause we wont attrackt our own advertisers anymore due to this shit? What a bunch of crap shit this is. Saint K. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds The only way Valve will not do this is if a lot of Admin's stop running Valve games on their servers. Valve does not care if people whine here about ads and still play their games. The only way to fight back about these ads is to turn off the servers for a bit. Be sure to tell them first of why then do it for a couple of weeks and see what happens. This is the only way business will change. -- Scanned: No virus found- outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/580 - Release Date: 12/8/2006 12:53 PM ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
-- [ Converted text/html to text/plain ] Gigabit Nick wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] 'Anyone else thinking that ads could be a toe in the water test for giving the game away for free? What does everyone think???' I will bet a million bucks that Valve will not give away the game for free... It doesn't make sense "common sense" and as Judge Judy says "If it doesn't make sense then it's not true".Valve wants more money just like every other corporation out there. -- Content-Description: "AVG certification" Scanned: No virus found- outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/580 - Release Date: 12/8/2006 12:53 PM -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
