RE: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out?
Valve deliberately made an update to make 32 slot serves unviable. It wasn't some kind of side effect from a feature they wanted to support. That's what the admin community are sick and tired of. Not side effects, but deliberate and intentional acts by Valve to actually break the freakin mods. That's why they don't want to run beta tests. If they cared about vast majority of server admins out there, they would bother to run a beta on all the server releases. Tell me that it's unviable to a beta, then I'll dismiss you as a complete noob to this mailing list as you obviously haven't been reading the in-depth and ignored proposals for a beta on all server releases. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Porter Sent: 15 October 2007 16:34 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out? -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Oh give it a rest Dan. A lot of people are getting sick of the constent whiny posts (thanks to those who sent support on this btw!) asking the same questions and not getting answers. Its obvious to me, tom, dick and his pet frigging dog your not going to get an answer, is that a good thing? No im not saying that but for the sake and respect of everyone else on the list if you want to constantly complain over and over again do it on the steam forums where it seems to be impossible to put a problem to bed and we can ignore it. Plugin or modded bins, either way is that how valve intended it to be run? no its not is it, how hard is that to grasp? If you choose to mod a server in any way shape or form thats fine, we all do it no problems there but if valve dont want to support the changes that were made outside of their control then fair enough. You dont stick a porsche engine in a ford and then take it to a ford garage because the bloddy engine doesnt fit do you? Its not a feature that valve have introduced and its not something they have to support and asking them questions about it and demanding answers is like beating your head against the wall. That sir is there within the problem that you are inflicting on us all, its not just this it was people asking stupid questions like filtering out custom maps from the client browser just so he didnt have to play ep1 style content, omg give us a break. If I install a mod and the mod then makes my server incompatible in some way shap or form ill go to the modder and sort it out with him. If I promise to sell 32 man servers to people on some dodgy frigging hack that valve dont want anything to do with then I bite the bullet and apologise to my customers for jumping the gun trying to get a few easy quid in the pocket. Live and learn, thats the experience of life. I dont think anyone has a problem with people asking off post questions now and again its when people just go on and on and on and on ... hang on a minute I need to find another duracell to repower the on and on part. moaning, whining and slagging off valve when its obvious they are not going to give an answer if you keep on like that. It would be nice to have an official stance, didnt say it wasnt but I certanly wont let the whining bully boys push me around like they have done to everyone else who has asked for them to stop please. Now ill explain the last bit in terms you might just understand, no offence intended there but you dont seem to understand why I said I wasnt going to reply in 1st, out of respect for the other users I acknoweldged that my posts whining about them whining wasnt helping matters but thank you for pointing that out again and out of respect and for the sanity of everyone else said I wasnt going to rise to the bully boy possie and reply if you couldnt understand why others were getting upset. Why because everything that needed to be said had been said, obviously not but hey this isnt a forum if you wish to carry on being childish and attempting to be insulting then so be it. I have far more important things to do then play internet rambling with people who have no respect for other users and think its ME ME ME im important I dont care about anyone else valve shafted me wah wah I must whine. Whatever, I apologise to those whome I may have offended by raising to the bait and seriously I DO ... no lets not do the big letter game, I do understand that this is not helping matters and dont wish to carry on acting being exactly the same as the guys who do have no respect for others, not a case of im right and your not which you seem to be very ... no I wont do that im a mature adult and able to finish something without provoking people into a reply when there's really no need to say owt more! As you say, dont like the complaint's then theres a delete key. Cheers John [waffle waffle] [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Honestly, you are not helping the situation. If you don't like
Re: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Honestly, you are not helping the situation. If you don't like the bickering, there's always the delete button. But, you decided to make matters worse with a rather long (and somewhat redundant) email complaining about people who are complaining. Not to mention, you speak of ignorance when you yourself are being ignorant of the subject; there were legit server plugins that were doing this without the modifications of the server bins. People are asking a reasonable question: Why impose just a 24 player limit and not let the server admins choose? All Valve has to do is release a statement on it. And it does have something to do with servers: when a plugin is being run to cause 32 player servers not to show up, your server will not get seen at all, therefore not played on. Personally, I have not played the game nor run the client, but this is getting ridiculous. And IMO, from a bystander's point on the situation, you appear more from the Steam forums than anybody else has. Especially with that I'm right and I'm not listening to anything else you have to say lalalalala at the end. John Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Your missing a whole load of points. This is ..and I will say it again ... a HLDS mailing list, Half-Life Dedicated server mailing list. It's not a forum where you can join in and browse at leasure easily, not something you can search/find when your looking for specific help. Your sending out spam to a mailing list full of people who couldnt care less about an un-supported modification to TF2. And your probelm..Its a filter in the STEAM CLIENT right? IS that part of HLDS? Not its not is it right? For the record you do know the difference between the Steam Client and HLDS dont you? if you dont and think dedicated servers are mostly run through the steam client on the dedicated button I suggest you look into the matter further before responding. The changes which valve have decided to filter out in their STEAM CLIENT (Client being that nice little gui that runs on your home pc when you connect to your dedicated server remotely) were neither supported or approved so why should they listen to DEMANDS on why they decided to pull the plug on it, if they wanted to say somethign they would have, they havent so moaning and whining on about it serves what purpose exactly? Exactly the mentaility you get on the steam forums.. whine whine I DEMAND a right to know ... NO WE ARE RIGHT I WONT SHUTUP... for the love of money someone save me! So to bring to an end, your spamming us about something thats changed in the client in relation to a hacked un-supported modded server binarys which are neither approved OR supported by valve. A change in the Client that people have rightly pointed out neither stops you running the server, administrating the server, or joining the server therefor highly worthy of flooding the mailing list with post about right? Then when people pointed this out nicely that perhaps you shouldnt be posting this here, nor demanding an answer people got the hump and started ranting off stating we demand answers. Well good luck, if thats the tone you wish to adopt then kindly do it on the forums where problems like this SHOULD be posted and not spamming us with things that matter not to us. If you cant see the difference between the HLDS mailing list and the steam forums then its pointless me even saying another word to you because its obvious to all of us who is posting whining pointless spam in the wrong place. PS lets net get childish about it, I never said I couldnt run a 32 man server I simply stated I didnt want to hack the server bins because I felt 24 player slots was plenrty. I have 13 TF2 servers with space to run another 5/6 if I wanted, I could quite easily run a 32 man server if I wanted. Really if this is the type of reply your going to come up with then ill say it again you really really really are in the wrong place pal and all I can say is the mailing is worst off for it. I should not have to justify anything to anyone for conclusions they have drawn, I wont let myself be drawn further on such purile comments :) PPS I appreciate my comments are neither helping and equally contributing to the spam so as far as I am concerned on this subject im saying no more, if you cant see the logic in this post then its really not worth another moment of my time! John [You said] Doesn't sound like whining to me, its not unreasonable to expect to be told whats in the contents of an update or the rational for making the decision for locking the slots to 24 players, neither of which has been provided in the last update(FYI No hexing of dll's was actually required to run 32man as a helpful mod was actually posted to this list) .. If the next update stopped you from kicking banning players there
Re: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out?
Dan E wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Honestly, you are not helping the situation. If you don't like the bickering, there's always the delete button. But, you decided to make matters worse with a rather long (and somewhat redundant) email complaining about people who are complaining. Not to mention, you speak of ignorance when you yourself are being ignorant of the subject; there were legit server plugins that were doing this without the modifications of the server bins. People are asking a reasonable question: Why impose just a 24 player limit and not let the server admins choose? All Valve has to do is release a statement on it. And it does have something to do with servers: when a plugin is being run to cause 32 player servers not to show up, your server will not get seen at all, therefore not played on. Personally, I have not played the game nor run the client, but this is getting ridiculous. And IMO, from a bystander's point on the situation, you appear more from the Steam forums than anybody else has. Especially with that I'm right and I'm not listening to anything else you have to say lalalalala at the end. John Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Your missing a whole load of points. This is ..and I will say it again ... a HLDS mailing list, Half-Life Dedicated server mailing list. It's not a forum where you can join in and browse at leasure easily, not something you can search/find when your looking for specific help. Your sending out spam to a mailing list full of people who couldnt care less about an un-supported modification to TF2. And your probelm..Its a filter in the STEAM CLIENT right? IS that part of HLDS? Not its not is it right? For the record you do know the difference between the Steam Client and HLDS dont you? if you dont and think dedicated servers are mostly run through the steam client on the dedicated button I suggest you look into the matter further before responding. The changes which valve have decided to filter out in their STEAM CLIENT (Client being that nice little gui that runs on your home pc when you connect to your dedicated server remotely) were neither supported or approved so why should they listen to DEMANDS on why they decided to pull the plug on it, if they wanted to say somethign they would have, they havent so moaning and whining on about it serves what purpose exactly? Exactly the mentaility you get on the steam forums.. whine whine I DEMAND a right to know ... NO WE ARE RIGHT I WONT SHUTUP... for the love of money someone save me! So to bring to an end, your spamming us about something thats changed in the client in relation to a hacked un-supported modded server binarys which are neither approved OR supported by valve. A change in the Client that people have rightly pointed out neither stops you running the server, administrating the server, or joining the server therefor highly worthy of flooding the mailing list with post about right? Then when people pointed this out nicely that perhaps you shouldnt be posting this here, nor demanding an answer people got the hump and started ranting off stating we demand answers. Well good luck, if thats the tone you wish to adopt then kindly do it on the forums where problems like this SHOULD be posted and not spamming us with things that matter not to us. If you cant see the difference between the HLDS mailing list and the steam forums then its pointless me even saying another word to you because its obvious to all of us who is posting whining pointless spam in the wrong place. PS lets net get childish about it, I never said I couldnt run a 32 man server I simply stated I didnt want to hack the server bins because I felt 24 player slots was plenrty. I have 13 TF2 servers with space to run another 5/6 if I wanted, I could quite easily run a 32 man server if I wanted. Really if this is the type of reply your going to come up with then ill say it again you really really really are in the wrong place pal and all I can say is the mailing is worst off for it. I should not have to justify anything to anyone for conclusions they have drawn, I wont let myself be drawn further on such purile comments :) PPS I appreciate my comments are neither helping and equally contributing to the spam so as far as I am concerned on this subject im saying no more, if you cant see the logic in this post then its really not worth another moment of my time! John [You said] Doesn't sound like whining to me, its not unreasonable to expect to be told whats in the contents of an update or the rational for making the decision for locking the slots to 24 players, neither of which has been provided in the last update(FYI No hexing of dll's was actually required to run 32man as a helpful mod was actually posted to this list) .. If the next update stopped you from kicking banning
RE: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out?
Thanks Dan. It's nice to hear from someone who is neutral in the matter but obviously gets the point. I think I speak for some (note: not all but some) of us when I say that we understand Valve is not obligated to tell us why they do these things. But it sure would be nice. We do think it is unfair when they supposedly support the mod community but when someone comes out with a simple plugin to deal with the small matter of allowing more players than was originally intended, they kill it from the Steam Master Server List. And as usual the modding community has obviously come up with a few options. Earlier today I saw several 32 slot servers, on the list including the SourceOP one (the guys who made the plugin in the first place) Kudos! and a 255 slot server filled with bots. LOL... John, this is a SERVER related issue, as it directly affects the way we want to run our servers. It's not a client side filter it's Steam Master Server List filter. Earlier today I started up a new 32 slot server to see if it would show up (now that I see others there again) The master servers replied with: Your server is out of date. Please update and restart. Well, for the heck of it I did run update, it was completely up to date as I already knew. Restarted and it say's the same thing. Changed it to 24 slots the message went away... Back to 32 where it is now and the message is back. It's definitely the Steam Master Server List that is doing the filtering... Mike ParaDOX www.paradisesgarage.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan E Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 12:30 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out? -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Honestly, you are not helping the situation. If you don't like the bickering, there's always the delete button. But, you decided to make matters worse with a rather long (and somewhat redundant) email complaining about people who are complaining. Not to mention, you speak of ignorance when you yourself are being ignorant of the subject; there were legit server plugins that were doing this without the modifications of the server bins. People are asking a reasonable question: Why impose just a 24 player limit and not let the server admins choose? All Valve has to do is release a statement on it. And it does have something to do with servers: when a plugin is being run to cause 32 player servers not to show up, your server will not get seen at all, therefore not played on. Personally, I have not played the game nor run the client, but this is getting ridiculous. And IMO, from a bystander's point on the situation, you appear more from the Steam forums than anybody else has. Especially with that I'm right and I'm not listening to anything else you have to say lalalalala at the end. John Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Your missing a whole load of points. This is ..and I will say it again ... a HLDS mailing list, Half-Life Dedicated server mailing list. It's not a forum where you can join in and browse at leasure easily, not something you can search/find when your looking for specific help. Your sending out spam to a mailing list full of people who couldnt care less about an un-supported modification to TF2. And your probelm..Its a filter in the STEAM CLIENT right? IS that part of HLDS? Not its not is it right? For the record you do know the difference between the Steam Client and HLDS dont you? if you dont and think dedicated servers are mostly run through the steam client on the dedicated button I suggest you look into the matter further before responding. The changes which valve have decided to filter out in their STEAM CLIENT (Client being that nice little gui that runs on your home pc when you connect to your dedicated server remotely) were neither supported or approved so why should they listen to DEMANDS on why they decided to pull the plug on it, if they wanted to say somethign they would have, they havent so moaning and whining on about it serves what purpose exactly? Exactly the mentaility you get on the steam forums.. whine whine I DEMAND a right to know ... NO WE ARE RIGHT I WONT SHUTUP... for the love of money someone save me! So to bring to an end, your spamming us about something thats changed in the client in relation to a hacked un-supported modded server binarys which are neither approved OR supported by valve. A change in the Client that people have rightly pointed out neither stops you running the server, administrating the server, or joining the server therefor highly worthy of flooding the mailing list with post about right? Then when people pointed this out nicely that perhaps you shouldnt be posting this here, nor demanding an answer people got the hump and started ranting off stating we demand answers. Well good luck, if thats the tone you
Re: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out?
John: Note the (NOT) in my post.. I totally agree with what you said :) Tim: point is they are being quiet about possibly killing an unauthorized mod. There is obviously a reason that 32 man servers are not wanted - if they don't want to tell people what that is then so be it, the forums are the place to pressure them for that. This is a HLDS help list (as I understand it). That said the pointless spamming is also just annoying :) filling up my inbox :P Valve! Save my PC from mounds of mail - issue a statement!! Tom -- From: John Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 1:14 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out? -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hi Tom, I do apologise if my tone was a bit harsh but normally you can login to the archive, browse down the list and find people experiencing PROBLEMS that you are, have a quick read and get some informed and very helpful advise from experienced server operators. I scrolled to the bottom and managed to find about 2 posts hidden within all the other rants and demands about client related issues and found it highly annoying. It's no wonder that the valve lads have stopped replying and the server ops who were telling these guys look this isnt the place were just getting smug replies and insulting tones, its like hello we have been using this list for many years we dont need forum style replies on here smelling the joint up! Look back through the history and you will see how it works. I still expect some form of backlash for what I've said but hopefully if me getting abused by a bunch of kids means we can get back to normal service then so be it :) Keep up the good work chaps, I for one find the information here invaluable! John [In reply to] Thanks John, As much as I would (NOT) disagree with your tone it's nice to know someone else feels the same way - I never post to here but the info here is invaluable - until Valve post a controversial update and then all low grade hell breaks loose. Kudos mate Tom - For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man Not having 32 player servers in the STEAM server browser doesn't stop you from running the, nor admining them. On 10/13/07, Tim Renshaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't sound like whining to me, its not unreasonable to expect to be told whats in the contents of an update or the rational for making the decision for locking the slots to 24 players, neither of which has been provided in the last update(FYI No hexing of dll's was actually required to run 32man as a helpful mod was actually posted to this list) .. If the next update stopped you from kicking banning players there was no announcement or any reason provided most you would be mortified whining like somebody who passed out last night awoke to find a limb removed. .. Just because either you have no wish to run or don't have the resources available to run a 32 man TF2 server doesn't mean the rest of us cannot discuss the matter here, which is after all what this list is about, to support each other not have trolling matches We just want some replies from Valve.. as they have been oh so quiet on this list since the last update came out, I'm hoping Alfred or one of the other guys from Valve might actually comment, rather than the quit whining brigade who are just spamming the list with unhelpful comments. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I see a 32 slot server displaying in the serverlist! :O 70.87.162.59:27015 On 10/13/07, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man Not having 32 player servers in the STEAM server browser doesn't stop you from running the, nor admining them. On 10/13/07, Tim Renshaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't sound like whining to me, its not unreasonable to expect to be told whats in the contents of an update or the rational for making the decision for locking the slots to 24 players, neither of which has been provided in the last update(FYI No hexing of dll's was actually required to run 32man as a helpful mod was actually posted to this list) .. If the next update stopped you from kicking banning players there was no announcement or any reason provided most you would be mortified whining like somebody who passed out last night awoke to find a limb removed. .. Just because either you have no wish to run or don't have the resources available to run a 32 man TF2 server doesn't mean the rest of us cannot discuss the matter here, which is after all what this list is about, to support each other not have trolling matches We just want some replies from Valve.. as they have been oh so quiet on this list since the last update came out, I'm hoping Alfred or one of the other guys from Valve might actually comment, rather than the quit whining brigade who are just spamming the list with unhelpful comments. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out?
Process running in the user mode (the game) just cannot cause BSOD by design of operating system, only stuff running in kernel mode (OS ifself or device drivers) can. In this particular case the most probable cause of BSODs is faulty video driver. It IS faulty since regardless of what it is being told to do by user mode process it should not throw BSOD. As simple as that. On 11/10/2007, Valdimar Kristjansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And don't think Valve need to worry about people whining about shoddy coding. Half of the people can't play the Orange Box because of bluescreen errors after the release. And all because of their own coding. nisbus Matthew Cheale wrote: Plus if there were lots of issues with servers crashing, then those servers would end up empty, because people would get fed up with the crashes. And everyone would whine about Valve's shoddy coding reducing their reputation and all because of 3rd party modifications... -- With regards, Matthew Cheale +44 (0)56 000 36985 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone +44 845 868 1337 or return the E.mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out?
Thanks John, As much as I would (NOT) disagree with your tone it's nice to know someone else feels the same way - I never post to here but the info here is invaluable - until Valve post a controversial update and then all low grade hell breaks loose. Kudos mate Tom -- From: John Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 11:21 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out? -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Gimped I like that. Hope you get plenty of help when you really need it! : Funny but I have to wait 5 minutes + to get onto my 24 man servers just like you did on your 32 man servers. 32 man servers sought out? Perhaps they were but thats only because no one else was running them and people might wanna try it out and see what its like. Just like we did we testing out the Instant respawn mod, people tried it, saw that it sucked and went back to normal servers. Perhaps you should learn to post your whines on steam CLIENT forums and not dedicated server mailing lists? I for one couldnt give a monkeys if valve have filtered out the 32 slot TF2 servers. Perhaps you wouldnt be so pissed if you hadnt hacked the steam binaries to alter the limits to allow you to do this? I knew how to do it, did I want to? no? do I care they filtered it? no! Do I think that you should find someone else to demand your rants? yes! Whats with the people on here recently? Childish rants, demands and whines off to the steam forums please!!! And let us get back to serious problems huh? Dunno why I bother im sure ill get some form of witty smug 14 year old style reply involving my mumma! Or how you DEMAND the right to an answer, its there game, their rules, their game, they dont have to answer anything. This hurts!! [someone spouted this] Yet, if you had 4 32 slot servers (before they gimped the list) You would have most likely had 4 FULL servers... It is a fact that the 32 slot servers were more popular than the smaller ones. It is true of almost all the mods. People love a crowd! I'm not saying they were the only full servers, lots of full ones of all sizes. But the 32 slot servers were sought out and actually hard to get into.. I had to use auto retry to get into my own server and would wait as long as 10+ minutes.. My thought is that if the players like it, and the servers can handle it (I didn't have one single crash as a 32 slot server, more stable than all of my 18 servers combined) Then why shouldn't we have the option? There is still no official mention of why the server list was modified to filter out + 24 slot servers. Come on guys, lets hear something on this!!! Mike ParaDOX www.paradisesgarage.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 1:43 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Re: TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out? Are you guys crazy?? I have 6 22 slot TF2 servers running at the moment and they are topping out at 14 - 17 player averages. They are hardly ever full. Lets fill our servers first then bitch about the limits... :) Tom -- From: Mike Munoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 6:03 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Re: TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out? Tim said: snip perhaps they should just lock all the cvars have a server benchmark program that will not allow the server to run unless it meets a minimun score... end snip Are you crazy?! Giving them ideas like this?! Mike ParaDOX www.paradisesgarage.com - Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out?
While that may well be true, there are LOTS of 24 player servers running the base maps config that Valve can use as a base line for monitoring. Surely leaving 32 player servers in wouldn't hurt them too much as they could do the filtering on their end. Plus if there were lots of issues with servers crashing, then those servers would end up empty, because people would get fed up with the crashes. Sil^ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Ottalini Sent: 11 October 2007 03:35 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out? I think the issue here is this is a brand new mod (officially only HOURS old!) and the user experience needs to be uniform and unpatched as much as possible so Valve can calibrate the new engine before porting over all the other mods. Remember that the stats tracking system is brand new as well and hacking the maps and servers will throw off the baseline for stats, in some cases dramatically. Once the engine's behavior and quirks have been thoroughly hashed out, THEN is the time for allowing modifications like this but most certainly NOT by server admins hex editing server binaries. The developers at Valve had very good reasons to set the max number of players at 24, let's give them the a little credit and consideration here ok? In addition, one of the maps tc_hydro has potentially too many base entities for 32 players and could cause servers and clients to crash (but it seems ok with 24 players but might be right at the borderline). qUiCkSiLvEr - Original Message - From: Mike Munoz To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:30 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out? OUCH!!... To actually go so far as to modify the server browser so that it won't list 32 slot TF2 servers! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds pfont size=2PRIVACY amp; CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE /fontfont size=-2Information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and is intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient please notify us immediately. Any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of this information without our prior consent is strictly prohibited. The views of the author may not necessarily reflect those of the Architectural Association (Inc.). If you have any doubts as to the authenticity of this e-mail please contact either the sender or the Architectural Association directly. The Architectural Association, Inc. is a Registered Charity Incorporated as a Company limited by guarantee. Registered in England No. 171402. Registered office: 36 Bedford Square, London, WC1B 3ES. br / /font font size=2VIRUS WARNING/font font size=-2The contents of any attachment to this email may contain software viruses that could damage your own computer system. While the Architectural Association (Inc.) has taken reasonable precautions to minimize this risk, it cannot accept liability for any damage that you suffer as a result of software viruses. You should carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment.br / /font/p ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out?
Plus if there were lots of issues with servers crashing, then those servers would end up empty, because people would get fed up with the crashes. And everyone would whine about Valve's shoddy coding reducing their reputation and all because of 3rd party modifications... -- With regards, Matthew Cheale +44 (0)56 000 36985 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone +44 845 868 1337 or return the E.mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out?
And don't think Valve need to worry about people whining about shoddy coding. Half of the people can't play the Orange Box because of bluescreen errors after the release. And all because of their own coding. nisbus Matthew Cheale wrote: Plus if there were lots of issues with servers crashing, then those servers would end up empty, because people would get fed up with the crashes. And everyone would whine about Valve's shoddy coding reducing their reputation and all because of 3rd party modifications... -- With regards, Matthew Cheale +44 (0)56 000 36985 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone +44 845 868 1337 or return the E.mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Not a single person I've talked to has received any blue screen errors...are you sure you have your facts straight? On 10/11/07, Valdimar Kristjansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And don't think Valve need to worry about people whining about shoddy coding. Half of the people can't play the Orange Box because of bluescreen errors after the release. And all because of their own coding. nisbus Matthew Cheale wrote: Plus if there were lots of issues with servers crashing, then those servers would end up empty, because people would get fed up with the crashes. And everyone would whine about Valve's shoddy coding reducing their reputation and all because of 3rd party modifications... -- With regards, Matthew Cheale +44 (0)56 000 36985 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone +44 845 868 1337 or return the E.mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out?
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I am one of those people and the steam forums is filled with people having the same problems. Cc2iscooL wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Not a single person I've talked to has received any blue screen errors...are you sure you have your facts straight? On 10/11/07, Valdimar Kristjansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And don't think Valve need to worry about people whining about shoddy coding. Half of the people can't play the Orange Box because of bluescreen errors after the release. And all because of their own coding. nisbus Matthew Cheale wrote: Plus if there were lots of issues with servers crashing, then those servers would end up empty, because people would get fed up with the crashes. And everyone would whine about Valve's shoddy coding reducing their reputation and all because of 3rd party modifications... -- With regards, Matthew Cheale +44 (0)56 000 36985 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone +44 845 868 1337 or return the E.mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out?
Andreas Grimm wrote: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=608814 I am really disappointed about that, as player and server-hoster ... That is a bad hit for the community ... That servers were always full and people loved it ... Without words ... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Aye, seems like valve doesn't like server admins ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out?
I wish they could do the same to Counter-Strike: Source. On 10/10/2007, [ЯтR] The-/iller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andreas Grimm wrote: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=608814 I am really disappointed about that, as player and server-hoster ... That is a bad hit for the community ... That servers were always full and people loved it ... Without words ... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Aye, seems like valve doesn't like server admins ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out?
Roman Hatsiev wrote: I wish they could do the same to Counter-Strike: Source. On 10/10/2007, [ЯтR] The-/iller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andreas Grimm wrote: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=608814 I am really disappointed about that, as player and server-hoster ... That is a bad hit for the community ... That servers were always full and people loved it ... Without words ... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Aye, seems like valve doesn't like server admins ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds The servers can get crazy but that craziness brings a whole new gameplay, why erode diversity from the games, just like the custom maps post earlier today. Does everyone forget what valves multiplayer is based on, originally custom mods. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] hehe, Its not admins.. it seems valve don't like n00bs, 32 player n00b fests! I won't miss them.. been there, ran them... moved on - Original Message From: [ЯтR] The-/iller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:12:40 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out? Andreas Grimm wrote: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=608814 I am really disappointed about that, as player and server-hoster ... That is a bad hit for the community ... That servers were always full and people loved it ... Without words ... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Aye, seems like valve doesn't like server admins ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433 -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out?
OUCH!!... To actually go so far as to modify the server browser so that it won't list 32 slot TF2 servers! Never mind fixing the issues the server browser has, with various servers not displaying for whatever reasons. They chose to take away our choices. To run as many slots as we see fit, with the settings we see fit for our community. To the best of my knowledge without any notification or explanation. First FF, now this... All it would have taken was another filter option on the client side to select how many player slots you want display. A useful feature for any mod. Do it in ranges: 1 - 10, 11 - 16, 18 - 24, 25 - 32 Or do it using or any number. An option to filter on a number of players actually playing on servers, rather than just not empty. Any thoughts on this? LET THE PLAYERS AND ADMINS DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES!!! YOUR MAPS WON'T BE THE ONLY MAPS FOR TF2 (or will they? Still no fgd...) I have been hosting only Valve related servers for so many years now, since at least 2000, (WonID anyone?) that this last blow is hitting me really hard. My small community was originally based on CS. Since then we have branched out to other mods such as: CS:S, DOD:S, Gmod 10, Dystopia, Eternal Silence and now TF2. These are just the mods we liked enough to put up servers for. We currently run 18 servers and 3 HLTV servers. The love of doing this for the community is the only thing keeping me from shutting them all down right now. I am still on the fence about keeping our TF2 server up. I pay for the bandwidth and hardware out of my own pocket, I have never asked for nor taken anything from anyone to help pay for this. It truly is something I love to do. Or at least I used to... P.S. I do not use the modified server.dll I use the plugin. Thanks Tony, works great! So today I will post a vote in my forums, to see if TF2 survives or not in our little community. Yours, Truly disappointed, Mike ParaDOX Munoz www.paradisesgarage.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Grimm Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 2:07 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out? http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=608814 I am really disappointed about that, as player and server-hoster ... That is a bad hit for the community ... That servers were always full and people loved it ... Without words ... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out?
Removing the option for people to decide how many people they would like to play with sucks... The way in which it has been implented sucks even more.. updating the server browser list not actually borthering to tell us even after the update. We aren't really asking too much to be informed. We have spread across from running 1 css server, to 3 x css servers 1 x tf2 we have coped with previous updates which killed our traffic in css, rebuilt moved forward. Please don't make us leap through hoops, we just want to play the games enjoy them. We have liked every tf2 update so far apart from this one as it removes choice. Please return the choice to the players, if they didn't like it they would not come play putting our tf2 server in the top100 ranked on game monitor. It would be nice if we could filter by players.. for instance I would like to be able to select to see 24 -32 man servers only, this would also be nice for other games like css too. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out?
I think the issue here is this is a brand new mod (officially only HOURS old!) and the user experience needs to be uniform and unpatched as much as possible so Valve can calibrate the new engine before porting over all the other mods. Remember that the stats tracking system is brand new as well and hacking the maps and servers will throw off the baseline for stats, in some cases dramatically. Once the engine's behavior and quirks have been thoroughly hashed out, THEN is the time for allowing modifications like this but most certainly NOT by server admins hex editing server binaries. The developers at Valve had very good reasons to set the max number of players at 24, let's give them the a little credit and consideration here ok? In addition, one of the maps tc_hydro has potentially too many base entities for 32 players and could cause servers and clients to crash (but it seems ok with 24 players but might be right at the borderline). qUiCkSiLvEr - Original Message - From: Mike Munoz To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:30 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out? OUCH!!... To actually go so far as to modify the server browser so that it won't list 32 slot TF2 servers! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out?
I fully agree. Jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Ottalini Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 9:35 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out? I think the issue here is this is a brand new mod (officially only HOURS old!) and the user experience needs to be uniform and unpatched as much as possible so Valve can calibrate the new engine before porting over all the other mods. Remember that the stats tracking system is brand new as well and hacking the maps and servers will throw off the baseline for stats, in some cases dramatically. Once the engine's behavior and quirks have been thoroughly hashed out, THEN is the time for allowing modifications like this but most certainly NOT by server admins hex editing server binaries. The developers at Valve had very good reasons to set the max number of players at 24, let's give them the a little credit and consideration here ok? In addition, one of the maps tc_hydro has potentially too many base entities for 32 players and could cause servers and clients to crash (but it seems ok with 24 players but might be right at the borderline). qUiCkSiLvEr - Original Message - From: Mike Munoz To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:30 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out? OUCH!!... To actually go so far as to modify the server browser so that it won't list 32 slot TF2 servers! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.39/1045 - Release Date: 10/2/2007 6:43 PM Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.39/1045 - Release Date: 10/2/2007 6:43 PM Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.39/1045 - Release Date: 10/2/2007 6:43 PM ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Amen... - Original Message From: Kevin Ottalini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 9:35:14 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out? I think the issue here is this is a brand new mod (officially only HOURS old!) and the user experience needs to be uniform and unpatched as much as possible so Valve can calibrate the new engine before porting over all the other mods. Remember that the stats tracking system is brand new as well and hacking the maps and servers will throw off the baseline for stats, in some cases dramatically. Once the engine's behavior and quirks have been thoroughly hashed out, THEN is the time for allowing modifications like this but most certainly NOT by server admins hex editing server binaries. The developers at Valve had very good reasons to set the max number of players at 24, let's give them the a little credit and consideration here ok? In addition, one of the maps tc_hydro has potentially too many base entities for 32 players and could cause servers and clients to crash (but it seems ok with 24 players but might be right at the borderline). qUiCkSiLvEr - Original Message - From: Mike Munoz To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:30 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out? OUCH!!... To actually go so far as to modify the server browser so that it won't list 32 slot TF2 servers! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469 -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I say stop B*tching and they might get something done cause they wont have to read all this nonsense/whining. - Original Message From: Robert Whelan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:13:53 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out? -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Amen... - Original Message From: Kevin Ottalini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 9:35:14 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out? I think the issue here is this is a brand new mod (officially only HOURS old!) and the user experience needs to be uniform and unpatched as much as possible so Valve can calibrate the new engine before porting over all the other mods. Remember that the stats tracking system is brand new as well and hacking the maps and servers will throw off the baseline for stats, in some cases dramatically. Once the engine's behavior and quirks have been thoroughly hashed out, THEN is the time for allowing modifications like this but most certainly NOT by server admins hex editing server binaries. The developers at Valve had very good reasons to set the max number of players at 24, let's give them the a little credit and consideration here ok? In addition, one of the maps tc_hydro has potentially too many base entities for 32 players and could cause servers and clients to crash (but it seems ok with 24 players but might be right at the borderline). qUiCkSiLvEr - Original Message - From: Mike Munoz To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:30 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] TF2 ... All 32 player servers filtered out? OUCH!!... To actually go so far as to modify the server browser so that it won't list 32 slot TF2 servers! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469 -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
