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Hi, I've just aquired a Linkys WRT54G Version 2. Could someone kindly tell me which is the best Linksys firmware version to use with this router, and the sveasoft version? I'm running a small 8 person HLDS on a dedicated box running Windows XP Pro SP2 Thanks Mick - Original Message - From: Ook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 9:31 PM Subject: Re: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list. The BEFS* were real bad about rebooting themselves. The WRT54G with sveasoft alchemy is rock solid. The current linksys firmware is questionable. There is an older Linksys firmware from last year that is rock solid. What is it about router manufacturers that they can't make a decent firmware? The only rock solid router I ever had was a Cisco. The rest all had issues. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.0 - Release Date: 17/01/2005 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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*crickets chirping** So what router should I buy for around $50, lol. I appreciate the theoretical arguments about what a true router is but. I want a router so I can have two or three computers in my home. I want something simple, safe and reliable that works. I think that other poster was spot on about getting some sunshine. Maybe a nap too.:) At one time I was thinking of running a gaming server for dod but since I have basically quit gaming now will the router that Tony recommended do the trick without having an additional firewall? If not what firewall would you guys recommend? Is the windows firewall sufficient or is is crappy? Also I have a new computer that I haven't even set up yet. The motherboard has a hardware firewall. Does that take the place of a regular firewall completely? Basically, theoretics asside I was just looking for someone to give me the bottom line so I'm not wasting money on softwared (or router features) I don't need. (And I know this is a valve thread and I'm not asking a valve question exactly so forgive me for being a noob) It's not that I don't appreciate the vast store of information you guys posess it's just that it a lot of it is over my head at this moment. Also, it is really easy to misinterpret conversations on line so I hate to see even an inkling of an argument or flamefest. Some people may write a cerain way for effect or because that is their personalities while others may be totally offended by the tone they percieve (anti-flame off) lol Sorry for yet another totally useless post. Just thoughted a little comedy relief was in order!! From: Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list. Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:07:08 +1100 Ook Thats the job of the Router Protocols, such as RIP, OSPF or in the case of Internet Routers BGP BGP-II I sincerely thought you would know this. On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:44:35 -0800, Ook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How, then, does a router know where to send an incoming packet? If there is no entry in the routing table, and if it's not blocked/dropped, where does it go? - Original Message - From: Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 2:03 PM Subject: Re: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list. I beg to differ It is only shitty routers that block incoming requests by default Real routers don't cost less than $1000, nor a sold at Radio Shack or Tandy and are generally are configured by people who know what they are doing and what they are talking about. Only in the retail/consumer sector do people get away with calling these devices real routers and anything else shitty On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:55:43 -0500, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Explain why you need to setup port forwarding on any router to run a server behind it. Routers block all unsolicited incomming requests BY DEFAULT. Unless it's some shitty router with a poor config. It acts as a firewall protecting the internal network from outside traffic (this does NOT mean though that any outgoing requests are blocked, those are NOT). Please read up before replying. ~Tony On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:41:40 +1100, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Routers by default (If we are talking about what routers really are) DO NOT block anything in either direction, they route, its as simple as that. On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:04:23 -0500, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Linksys is a great brand in my opinion. I've yet to have a true problem with their routers. 2. Might as well pick up a WRT54G, even if you don't plan to go wireless. The stuff that the new firmware can do over what the old BEFSR41 can is worth the few extra bucks. Plus with the WRT, you have the option of third party firmwares. Don't get the WRT54GS though. No need for it and some special firmwares won't work on it. 3. A router, by default, will block all unsolicited incomming requests. Doesn't mean that you DON'T need a firewall, but your need will be greatly reduced. If you want to control the traffic comming out of your network, then yes, you'll still need a firewall. ~Tony ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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I would suggest and SMC barricade series. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pit Gee Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 8:33 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list. *crickets chirping** So what router should I buy for around $50, lol. I appreciate the theoretical arguments about what a true router is but. I want a router so I can have two or three computers in my home. I want something simple, safe and reliable that works. I think that other poster was spot on about getting some sunshine. Maybe a nap too.:) At one time I was thinking of running a gaming server for dod but since I have basically quit gaming now will the router that Tony recommended do the trick without having an additional firewall? If not what firewall would you guys recommend? Is the windows firewall sufficient or is is crappy? Also I have a new computer that I haven't even set up yet. The motherboard has a hardware firewall. Does that take the place of a regular firewall completely? Basically, theoretics asside I was just looking for someone to give me the bottom line so I'm not wasting money on softwared (or router features) I don't need. (And I know this is a valve thread and I'm not asking a valve question exactly so forgive me for being a noob) It's not that I don't appreciate the vast store of information you guys posess it's just that it a lot of it is over my head at this moment. Also, it is really easy to misinterpret conversations on line so I hate to see even an inkling of an argument or flamefest. Some people may write a cerain way for effect or because that is their personalities while others may be totally offended by the tone they percieve (anti-flame off) lol Sorry for yet another totally useless post. Just thoughted a little comedy relief was in order!! From: Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list. Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:07:08 +1100 Ook Thats the job of the Router Protocols, such as RIP, OSPF or in the case of Internet Routers BGP BGP-II I sincerely thought you would know this. On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:44:35 -0800, Ook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How, then, does a router know where to send an incoming packet? If there is no entry in the routing table, and if it's not blocked/dropped, where does it go? - Original Message - From: Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 2:03 PM Subject: Re: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list. I beg to differ It is only shitty routers that block incoming requests by default Real routers don't cost less than $1000, nor a sold at Radio Shack or Tandy and are generally are configured by people who know what they are doing and what they are talking about. Only in the retail/consumer sector do people get away with calling these devices real routers and anything else shitty On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:55:43 -0500, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Explain why you need to setup port forwarding on any router to run a server behind it. Routers block all unsolicited incomming requests BY DEFAULT. Unless it's some shitty router with a poor config. It acts as a firewall protecting the internal network from outside traffic (this does NOT mean though that any outgoing requests are blocked, those are NOT). Please read up before replying. ~Tony On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:41:40 +1100, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Routers by default (If we are talking about what routers really are) DO NOT block anything in either direction, they route, its as simple as that. On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:04:23 -0500, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Linksys is a great brand in my opinion. I've yet to have a true problem with their routers. 2. Might as well pick up a WRT54G, even if you don't plan to go wireless. The stuff that the new firmware can do over what the old BEFSR41 can is worth the few extra bucks. Plus with the WRT, you have the option of third party firmwares. Don't get the WRT54GS though. No need for it and some special firmwares won't work on it. 3. A router, by default, will block all unsolicited incomming requests. Doesn't mean that you DON'T need a firewall, but your need will be greatly reduced. If you want to control the traffic comming out of your network, then yes, you'll still need a firewall. ~Tony ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Routers by default (If we are talking about what routers really are) DO NOT block anything in either direction, they route, its as simple as that. On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:04:23 -0500, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Linksys is a great brand in my opinion. I've yet to have a true problem with their routers. 2. Might as well pick up a WRT54G, even if you don't plan to go wireless. The stuff that the new firmware can do over what the old BEFSR41 can is worth the few extra bucks. Plus with the WRT, you have the option of third party firmwares. Don't get the WRT54GS though. No need for it and some special firmwares won't work on it. 3. A router, by default, will block all unsolicited incomming requests. Doesn't mean that you DON'T need a firewall, but your need will be greatly reduced. If you want to control the traffic comming out of your network, then yes, you'll still need a firewall. ~Tony ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Because this router is doing NAT. Not only rounting. On Fri, 2005-01-21 at 09:55 -0500, Tony wrote: Explain why you need to setup port forwarding on any router to run a server behind it. Routers block all unsolicited incomming requests BY DEFAULT. Unless it's some shitty router with a poor config. It acts as a firewall protecting the internal network from outside traffic (this does NOT mean though that any outgoing requests are blocked, those are NOT). Please read up before replying. ~Tony On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:41:40 +1100, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Routers by default (If we are talking about what routers really are) DO NOT block anything in either direction, they route, its as simple as that. On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:04:23 -0500, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Linksys is a great brand in my opinion. I've yet to have a true problem with their routers. 2. Might as well pick up a WRT54G, even if you don't plan to go wireless. The stuff that the new firmware can do over what the old BEFSR41 can is worth the few extra bucks. Plus with the WRT, you have the option of third party firmwares. Don't get the WRT54GS though. No need for it and some special firmwares won't work on it. 3. A router, by default, will block all unsolicited incomming requests. Doesn't mean that you DON'T need a firewall, but your need will be greatly reduced. If you want to control the traffic comming out of your network, then yes, you'll still need a firewall. ~Tony ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 12:50:46PM -0300, Marcelo Bezerra wrote: Because this router is doing NAT. Not only rounting. On Fri, 2005-01-21 at 09:55 -0500, Tony wrote: Explain why you need to setup port forwarding on any router to run a server behind it. Routers block all unsolicited incomming requests BY DEFAULT. Unless it's some shitty router with a poor config. It acts as a firewall protecting the internal network from outside traffic (this does NOT mean though that any outgoing requests are blocked, those are NOT). Please read up before replying. Marcelo is 100% correct. A router itself will not block any traffic. You can add blocking or port limiting. This is usually limited in functionality because a firewall is a lot more than simply a router with access controls. Some routers can add firewall functionality in their software or with a dedicated hardware module. The reason you have to setup port forwarding on a home router is that they run NAT (Network Address translation) to share the one public IP address among mutiple computers. NAT basically intercepts the outgoing traffic and pretends it's all coming from the single public IP address. All internal machines use private (RFC 1918) IP addresses that are not routed on the internet. Since an inbound connection can not be addressed directly to in internal computer (those IPs are not routed on the internet), all inbound connections are actually addressed to the NAT router. The forwarding tells the router where to send the connection, after the NAT. The term router in our contect is more akin to a cheap firewall. They do route, but ony between two ethernet interfaces. They all have NAT functionality and some stateful firewalling features. A true blue router with only routing functionality would require a public IP network on each interface and would not block any incoming or outgoing connections (without access controls). -- Hexis www.hxxl.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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After trying Linksys, 3com, and various other routers, I came across a Belkin, now, I'm talking wireless here, as well as 4 port wired. I've had no problems from the Belkin, however there is a reason I ditched the others! Do a google search on the linksys, again, I'm talking wireless, but boy do those things like to reboot themselves!!! Now compare that to the Belkin... that said, some of the more expensive Linksys ones are good and have some nice little hacks... My money goes on the Belkin at the mo tho :) PS was nice and easy to configure for both TFC (HL1) and HL2DM servers :) Steve! - Original Message - From: Stephen Moretti (blueyonder) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 9:33 AM Subject: Re: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list. Pit Gee wrote: Isn't cisco like ? You can get some version at a reasonable-ish price, but yes generally cisco are more expensive. I'm looking for low $, user friendly and reliable router for a small home network--I really basically just want to connect two or three comps to the same internet connection at the moment. I read that a linksys BEFSR41 was a good router. Is that the one someone recommended here or was it a belkiin? That linksys is a good un I read but the forum post I got that tip from is almost a year old. I'm wondering if there is something better now or that is still the way to go. I'll go check the one's you recommended out now but I am thinking they are going to be high dollar business type models. Thanks. Apparently yes the linksys routers are pretty. And no it definately wasn't Belkin - stay away from the Belkin equipment if you can afford to pay a little more money. They are nasty, very low end, plastic junk. You should find that the 3com routers vary from about £40 upwards - I paid more for mine, but not much more, because I wanted more features. Have a look on ebuyer.com for *3CR860-95 - thats the one I got. * ps is it true that if you have a router you don't need an additional firewall? Generally yes, because a lot of the routers now have firewalls built in and for home users and small business you don't really need anything more than that. You do need to check that the router you buy does include a firewall, if you are going to skip purchasing a hardware or software firewall. Its always worth switching on the built in windows firewall anyway. Despite rantings from various detractor there is nothing wrong with the windows firewall and the Windows XP SP2 firewall is actually very good. Hope this helps Stephen ~# DOOM UK Server #~ Day of Defeat Server 82.136.36.14:27015 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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The BEFS* were real bad about rebooting themselves. The WRT54G with sveasoft alchemy is rock solid. The current linksys firmware is questionable. There is an older Linksys firmware from last year that is rock solid. What is it about router manufacturers that they can't make a decent firmware? The only rock solid router I ever had was a Cisco. The rest all had issues. - Original Message - From: Steve! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 12:24 PM Subject: Re: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list. After trying Linksys, 3com, and various other routers, I came across a Belkin, now, I'm talking wireless here, as well as 4 port wired. I've had no problems from the Belkin, however there is a reason I ditched the others! Do a google search on the linksys, again, I'm talking wireless, but boy do those things like to reboot themselves!!! Now compare that to the Belkin... that said, some of the more expensive Linksys ones are good and have some nice little hacks... My money goes on the Belkin at the mo tho :) PS was nice and easy to configure for both TFC (HL1) and HL2DM servers :) Steve! - Original Message - From: Stephen Moretti (blueyonder) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 9:33 AM Subject: Re: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list. Pit Gee wrote: Isn't cisco like ? You can get some version at a reasonable-ish price, but yes generally cisco are more expensive. I'm looking for low $, user friendly and reliable router for a small home network--I really basically just want to connect two or three comps to the same internet connection at the moment. I read that a linksys BEFSR41 was a good router. Is that the one someone recommended here or was it a belkiin? That linksys is a good un I read but the forum post I got that tip from is almost a year old. I'm wondering if there is something better now or that is still the way to go. I'll go check the one's you recommended out now but I am thinking they are going to be high dollar business type models. Thanks. Apparently yes the linksys routers are pretty. And no it definately wasn't Belkin - stay away from the Belkin equipment if you can afford to pay a little more money. They are nasty, very low end, plastic junk. You should find that the 3com routers vary from about £40 upwards - I paid more for mine, but not much more, because I wanted more features. Have a look on ebuyer.com for *3CR860-95 - thats the one I got. * ps is it true that if you have a router you don't need an additional firewall? Generally yes, because a lot of the routers now have firewalls built in and for home users and small business you don't really need anything more than that. You do need to check that the router you buy does include a firewall, if you are going to skip purchasing a hardware or software firewall. Its always worth switching on the built in windows firewall anyway. Despite rantings from various detractor there is nothing wrong with the windows firewall and the Windows XP SP2 firewall is actually very good. Hope this helps Stephen ~# DOOM UK Server #~ Day of Defeat Server 82.136.36.14:27015 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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I owned one of the original BEFSR41s from many many years ago. Only in about it's 3rd year (possibly longer, I don't do well with time) did it finally die out on me. In it's place went a WRT54G. I tried both Linksys' firmwares and sveasoft's, haven't had issue with either personally. A friend is back to using Linksys firmware on his, no problems either. I'm surprised that with all the networks I setup for people, that there are so many complaints online about Linksys routers when they're the only thing I ever use and I've yet to have a true problem with any of the networks I've set up for customers (a router dying after years of constant use is not a problem, it's lifespan =P ). ~Tony On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:31:21 -0800, Ook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The BEFS* were real bad about rebooting themselves. The WRT54G with sveasoft alchemy is rock solid. The current linksys firmware is questionable. There is an older Linksys firmware from last year that is rock solid. What is it about router manufacturers that they can't make a decent firmware? The only rock solid router I ever had was a Cisco. The rest all had issues. - Original Message - From: Steve! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 12:24 PM Subject: Re: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list. After trying Linksys, 3com, and various other routers, I came across a Belkin, now, I'm talking wireless here, as well as 4 port wired. I've had no problems from the Belkin, however there is a reason I ditched the others! Do a google search on the linksys, again, I'm talking wireless, but boy do those things like to reboot themselves!!! Now compare that to the Belkin... that said, some of the more expensive Linksys ones are good and have some nice little hacks... My money goes on the Belkin at the mo tho :) PS was nice and easy to configure for both TFC (HL1) and HL2DM servers :) Steve! - Original Message - From: Stephen Moretti (blueyonder) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 9:33 AM Subject: Re: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list. Pit Gee wrote: Isn't cisco like ? You can get some version at a reasonable-ish price, but yes generally cisco are more expensive. I'm looking for low $, user friendly and reliable router for a small home network--I really basically just want to connect two or three comps to the same internet connection at the moment. I read that a linksys BEFSR41 was a good router. Is that the one someone recommended here or was it a belkiin? That linksys is a good un I read but the forum post I got that tip from is almost a year old. I'm wondering if there is something better now or that is still the way to go. I'll go check the one's you recommended out now but I am thinking they are going to be high dollar business type models. Thanks. Apparently yes the linksys routers are pretty. And no it definately wasn't Belkin - stay away from the Belkin equipment if you can afford to pay a little more money. They are nasty, very low end, plastic junk. You should find that the 3com routers vary from about £40 upwards - I paid more for mine, but not much more, because I wanted more features. Have a look on ebuyer.com for *3CR860-95 - thats the one I got. * ps is it true that if you have a router you don't need an additional firewall? Generally yes, because a lot of the routers now have firewalls built in and for home users and small business you don't really need anything more than that. You do need to check that the router you buy does include a firewall, if you are going to skip purchasing a hardware or software firewall. Its always worth switching on the built in windows firewall anyway. Despite rantings from various detractor there is nothing wrong with the windows firewall and the Windows XP SP2 firewall is actually very good. Hope this helps Stephen ~# DOOM UK Server #~ Day of Defeat Server 82.136.36.14:27015 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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I beg to differ It is only shitty routers that block incoming requests by default Real routers don't cost less than $1000, nor a sold at Radio Shack or Tandy and are generally are configured by people who know what they are doing and what they are talking about. Only in the retail/consumer sector do people get away with calling these devices real routers and anything else shitty On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:55:43 -0500, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Explain why you need to setup port forwarding on any router to run a server behind it. Routers block all unsolicited incomming requests BY DEFAULT. Unless it's some shitty router with a poor config. It acts as a firewall protecting the internal network from outside traffic (this does NOT mean though that any outgoing requests are blocked, those are NOT). Please read up before replying. ~Tony On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:41:40 +1100, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Routers by default (If we are talking about what routers really are) DO NOT block anything in either direction, they route, its as simple as that. On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:04:23 -0500, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Linksys is a great brand in my opinion. I've yet to have a true problem with their routers. 2. Might as well pick up a WRT54G, even if you don't plan to go wireless. The stuff that the new firmware can do over what the old BEFSR41 can is worth the few extra bucks. Plus with the WRT, you have the option of third party firmwares. Don't get the WRT54GS though. No need for it and some special firmwares won't work on it. 3. A router, by default, will block all unsolicited incomming requests. Doesn't mean that you DON'T need a firewall, but your need will be greatly reduced. If you want to control the traffic comming out of your network, then yes, you'll still need a firewall. ~Tony ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Well put. Home user devices should not be confused with true routers. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Whisper Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 5:04 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list. I beg to differ It is only shitty routers that block incoming requests by default Real routers don't cost less than $1000, nor a sold at Radio Shack or Tandy and are generally are configured by people who know what they are doing and what they are talking about. Only in the retail/consumer sector do people get away with calling these devices real routers and anything else shitty On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:55:43 -0500, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Explain why you need to setup port forwarding on any router to run a server behind it. Routers block all unsolicited incomming requests BY DEFAULT. Unless it's some shitty router with a poor config. It acts as a firewall protecting the internal network from outside traffic (this does NOT mean though that any outgoing requests are blocked, those are NOT). Please read up before replying. ~Tony On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:41:40 +1100, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Routers by default (If we are talking about what routers really are) DO NOT block anything in either direction, they route, its as simple as that. On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:04:23 -0500, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Linksys is a great brand in my opinion. I've yet to have a true problem with their routers. 2. Might as well pick up a WRT54G, even if you don't plan to go wireless. The stuff that the new firmware can do over what the old BEFSR41 can is worth the few extra bucks. Plus with the WRT, you have the option of third party firmwares. Don't get the WRT54GS though. No need for it and some special firmwares won't work on it. 3. A router, by default, will block all unsolicited incomming requests. Doesn't mean that you DON'T need a firewall, but your need will be greatly reduced. If you want to control the traffic comming out of your network, then yes, you'll still need a firewall. ~Tony ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list.
How, then, does a router know where to send an incoming packet? If there is no entry in the routing table, and if it's not blocked/dropped, where does it go? - Original Message - From: Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 2:03 PM Subject: Re: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list. I beg to differ It is only shitty routers that block incoming requests by default Real routers don't cost less than $1000, nor a sold at Radio Shack or Tandy and are generally are configured by people who know what they are doing and what they are talking about. Only in the retail/consumer sector do people get away with calling these devices real routers and anything else shitty On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:55:43 -0500, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Explain why you need to setup port forwarding on any router to run a server behind it. Routers block all unsolicited incomming requests BY DEFAULT. Unless it's some shitty router with a poor config. It acts as a firewall protecting the internal network from outside traffic (this does NOT mean though that any outgoing requests are blocked, those are NOT). Please read up before replying. ~Tony On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:41:40 +1100, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Routers by default (If we are talking about what routers really are) DO NOT block anything in either direction, they route, its as simple as that. On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:04:23 -0500, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Linksys is a great brand in my opinion. I've yet to have a true problem with their routers. 2. Might as well pick up a WRT54G, even if you don't plan to go wireless. The stuff that the new firmware can do over what the old BEFSR41 can is worth the few extra bucks. Plus with the WRT, you have the option of third party firmwares. Don't get the WRT54GS though. No need for it and some special firmwares won't work on it. 3. A router, by default, will block all unsolicited incomming requests. Doesn't mean that you DON'T need a firewall, but your need will be greatly reduced. If you want to control the traffic comming out of your network, then yes, you'll still need a firewall. ~Tony ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list.
Not to be a dick now, but the router that the original poster had suggested runs around $100. We're not talking about enterprise grade routers here. So my call to you that routers that don't block unsolicited incomming requests by default was valid because in the context of this entire fucking thread, commercial, off the shelf, sell'em at Radio Shack routers are being discussed and all of them should and do. I'm not trying to be a dick, but you are going out of your way to be right when you're not in this case. ~Tony On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:03:55 +1100, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I beg to differ It is only shitty routers that block incoming requests by default Real routers don't cost less than $1000, nor a sold at Radio Shack or Tandy and are generally are configured by people who know what they are doing and what they are talking about. Only in the retail/consumer sector do people get away with calling these devices real routers and anything else shitty On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:55:43 -0500, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Explain why you need to setup port forwarding on any router to run a server behind it. Routers block all unsolicited incomming requests BY DEFAULT. Unless it's some shitty router with a poor config. It acts as a firewall protecting the internal network from outside traffic (this does NOT mean though that any outgoing requests are blocked, those are NOT). Please read up before replying. ~Tony On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:41:40 +1100, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Routers by default (If we are talking about what routers really are) DO NOT block anything in either direction, they route, its as simple as that. On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:04:23 -0500, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Linksys is a great brand in my opinion. I've yet to have a true problem with their routers. 2. Might as well pick up a WRT54G, even if you don't plan to go wireless. The stuff that the new firmware can do over what the old BEFSR41 can is worth the few extra bucks. Plus with the WRT, you have the option of third party firmwares. Don't get the WRT54GS though. No need for it and some special firmwares won't work on it. 3. A router, by default, will block all unsolicited incomming requests. Doesn't mean that you DON'T need a firewall, but your need will be greatly reduced. If you want to control the traffic comming out of your network, then yes, you'll still need a firewall. ~Tony ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list.
Actually it was valid in the first place, as unsolicited means packets that it did not ask for or make it self available for which any router does, considering the the way you used the term. As far as what is a router, the term is confused a bit nowadays. A router simply routers packets from one host/network to one or many hosts/networks. What most consumers have are low traffic routers with a firewall added on and a few other features such as DNS and DHCP. It's still a low-traffic router as well as being a multi-function low-traffic/horsepower network device. Most enterprise routers do not have a built-in firewall with SPI as consumer routers do because they are not meant to be multifunction, ALA cisco PIX firewalls. That is changing some nowadays. In any case, they are all routers, just with differen't Oses and feature sets. That should answer your question as well Ook :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 5:55 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list. Not to be a dick now, but the router that the original poster had suggested runs around $100. We're not talking about enterprise grade routers here. So my call to you that routers that don't block unsolicited incomming requests by default was valid because in the context of this entire fucking thread, commercial, off the shelf, sell'em at Radio Shack routers are being discussed and all of them should and do. I'm not trying to be a dick, but you are going out of your way to be right when you're not in this case. ~Tony On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:03:55 +1100, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I beg to differ It is only shitty routers that block incoming requests by default Real routers don't cost less than $1000, nor a sold at Radio Shack or Tandy and are generally are configured by people who know what they are doing and what they are talking about. Only in the retail/consumer sector do people get away with calling these devices real routers and anything else shitty On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:55:43 -0500, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Explain why you need to setup port forwarding on any router to run a server behind it. Routers block all unsolicited incomming requests BY DEFAULT. Unless it's some shitty router with a poor config. It acts as a firewall protecting the internal network from outside traffic (this does NOT mean though that any outgoing requests are blocked, those are NOT). Please read up before replying. ~Tony On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:41:40 +1100, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Routers by default (If we are talking about what routers really are) DO NOT block anything in either direction, they route, its as simple as that. On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:04:23 -0500, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Linksys is a great brand in my opinion. I've yet to have a true problem with their routers. 2. Might as well pick up a WRT54G, even if you don't plan to go wireless. The stuff that the new firmware can do over what the old BEFSR41 can is worth the few extra bucks. Plus with the WRT, you have the option of third party firmwares. Don't get the WRT54GS though. No need for it and some special firmwares won't work on it. 3. A router, by default, will block all unsolicited incomming requests. Doesn't mean that you DON'T need a firewall, but your need will be greatly reduced. If you want to control the traffic comming out of your network, then yes, you'll still need a firewall. ~Tony ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list.
Ook Thats the job of the Router Protocols, such as RIP, OSPF or in the case of Internet Routers BGP BGP-II I sincerely thought you would know this. On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:44:35 -0800, Ook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How, then, does a router know where to send an incoming packet? If there is no entry in the routing table, and if it's not blocked/dropped, where does it go? - Original Message - From: Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 2:03 PM Subject: Re: Router tips WAS Re: [hlds] Ban list. I beg to differ It is only shitty routers that block incoming requests by default Real routers don't cost less than $1000, nor a sold at Radio Shack or Tandy and are generally are configured by people who know what they are doing and what they are talking about. Only in the retail/consumer sector do people get away with calling these devices real routers and anything else shitty On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:55:43 -0500, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Explain why you need to setup port forwarding on any router to run a server behind it. Routers block all unsolicited incomming requests BY DEFAULT. Unless it's some shitty router with a poor config. It acts as a firewall protecting the internal network from outside traffic (this does NOT mean though that any outgoing requests are blocked, those are NOT). Please read up before replying. ~Tony On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:41:40 +1100, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Routers by default (If we are talking about what routers really are) DO NOT block anything in either direction, they route, its as simple as that. On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:04:23 -0500, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Linksys is a great brand in my opinion. I've yet to have a true problem with their routers. 2. Might as well pick up a WRT54G, even if you don't plan to go wireless. The stuff that the new firmware can do over what the old BEFSR41 can is worth the few extra bucks. Plus with the WRT, you have the option of third party firmwares. Don't get the WRT54GS though. No need for it and some special firmwares won't work on it. 3. A router, by default, will block all unsolicited incomming requests. Doesn't mean that you DON'T need a firewall, but your need will be greatly reduced. If you want to control the traffic comming out of your network, then yes, you'll still need a firewall. ~Tony ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
