Re: [hlds_linux] Lotus.clan
I do play, and often. I too sort by ping and players, which I then also look at the player names on the server before joining (many servers are obviously using bots and such as the names are way predictable). I'm just saying, that the constant de-list comments to Valve are becoming so frequent, that I'm sure they're even deleting full threads without reading them. Perhaps a better option, is to provide Valve with the real problem and possibly a few options, like being able to ignore/de-list servers on the client side. I know that I would like that feature and it seems simple enough, just save a list of IP:Port of ignored servers to a file and filter them out (perhaps with an option to do this or not on the filter window). I'm sure Valve would be more receptive to real issues and possible solutions than the constant server complaints we've been seeing. Personally, once I find a few servers I like, they make it into my favorites and I rarely go looking for new ones. But, that's just me. -- HoundDawg UnitedAdmins.com Forums: http://forums.unitedadmins.com Steam: http://steam.unitedadmins.com Wiki: http://wiki.unitedadmins.com Carl wrote: You speak as though you haven't ever played a source game. I usually play on servers that have lots of people already on, and sort the server list by occupancy. When multiple clans begin to fake the number of online players, it clutters the server window. There is no easy way to remove these servers from the listing client side. I'd really prefer to not shop around to find a full server. These empty servers detract from the quality of the game. If I had an easy way to programmatically block these servers client side I wouldn't complain since I would be able to fix the problem. But, since there is no such method and Valve isn't cleaning out the list, I feel that the only way to fix to problem is to complain publicly. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
[hlds_linux] Lotus.clan
Isn't it time that like Q clan valve stepped in and sorted out lotus clan. Using tactics to fill there servers with fake connections is never going to give the client end user a good gaming experience. Joining a server 25/32 and finding nobody is actually on the server is exactly what the delisting was all about yet Lotus bypassed the whole rating showing there actual servers with real connections in all valve/3rd party browsers desktop, in game, hlsw. There servers performance isn't particularly good there website is a mess and all there doing is conning money from end users for so called popular servers. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Lotus.clan
Its the same way with the XXL Pros servers as well. All empty. D3vilfish wrote: Isn't it time that like Q clan valve stepped in and sorted out lotus clan. Using tactics to fill there servers with fake connections is never going to give the client end user a good gaming experience. Joining a server 25/32 and finding nobody is actually on the server is exactly what the delisting was all about yet Lotus bypassed the whole rating showing there actual servers with real connections in all valve/3rd party browsers desktop, in game, hlsw. There servers performance isn't particularly good there website is a mess and all there doing is conning money from end users for so called popular servers. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Lotus.clan
what are these things? what are you talking about? On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 4:23 PM, D3vilfish priv...@caterhamhill.net wrote: Isn't it time that like Q clan valve stepped in and sorted out lotus clan. Using tactics to fill there servers with fake connections is never going to give the client end user a good gaming experience. Joining a server 25/32 and finding nobody is actually on the server is exactly what the delisting was all about yet Lotus bypassed the whole rating showing there actual servers with real connections in all valve/3rd party browsers desktop, in game, hlsw. There servers performance isn't particularly good there website is a mess and all there doing is conning money from end users for so called popular servers. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Lotus.clan
Did valve actually kill off the Q Clan? I thought Qosis just got tired of running game servers. Lotus Clan servers show their fake players as ? in hlsw for me. On Sun, Jun 07, 2009 at 07:23:07AM +0100, D3vilfish wrote: Isn't it time that like Q clan valve stepped in and sorted out lotus clan. Using tactics to fill there servers with fake connections is never going to give the client end user a good gaming experience. Joining a server 25/32 and finding nobody is actually on the server is exactly what the delisting was all about yet Lotus bypassed the whole rating showing there actual servers with real connections in all valve/3rd party browsers desktop, in game, hlsw. There servers performance isn't particularly good there website is a mess and all there doing is conning money from end users for so called popular servers. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Lotus.clan
Q clans official statement was that they quit while on top but it seems to most that due to Q clan having server/steam issues that it fell inline with valves test on delisting, lets also not forget the money they made by deception and miss use of valve software would be enough for valve to slap a law suit on them and take them for everything they had and some! -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Octo Sent: 07 June 2009 08:05 To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Lotus.clan Did valve actually kill off the Q Clan? I thought Qosis just got tired of running game servers. Lotus Clan servers show their fake players as ? in hlsw for me. On Sun, Jun 07, 2009 at 07:23:07AM +0100, D3vilfish wrote: Isn't it time that like Q clan valve stepped in and sorted out lotus clan. Using tactics to fill there servers with fake connections is never going to give the client end user a good gaming experience. Joining a server 25/32 and finding nobody is actually on the server is exactly what the delisting was all about yet Lotus bypassed the whole rating showing there actual servers with real connections in all valve/3rd party browsers desktop, in game, hlsw. There servers performance isn't particularly good there website is a mess and all there doing is conning money from end users for so called popular servers. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Lotus.clan
I suggest you go post this topic on the steam forums, instead of leaving us confused as to what this has to do with server operation. On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 5:15 PM, D3vilfish priv...@caterhamhill.net wrote: Q clans official statement was that they quit while on top but it seems to most that due to Q clan having server/steam issues that it fell inline with valves test on delisting, lets also not forget the money they made by deception and miss use of valve software would be enough for valve to slap a law suit on them and take them for everything they had and some! -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Octo Sent: 07 June 2009 08:05 To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Lotus.clan Did valve actually kill off the Q Clan? I thought Qosis just got tired of running game servers. Lotus Clan servers show their fake players as ? in hlsw for me. On Sun, Jun 07, 2009 at 07:23:07AM +0100, D3vilfish wrote: Isn't it time that like Q clan valve stepped in and sorted out lotus clan. Using tactics to fill there servers with fake connections is never going to give the client end user a good gaming experience. Joining a server 25/32 and finding nobody is actually on the server is exactly what the delisting was all about yet Lotus bypassed the whole rating showing there actual servers with real connections in all valve/3rd party browsers desktop, in game, hlsw. There servers performance isn't particularly good there website is a mess and all there doing is conning money from end users for so called popular servers. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Lotus.clan
I agree with Arg! But if you want my opinion, it's just plain annoying and stupid. My favorite server host (DiG) , for TF2, at least, makes it say theres at least 10 on. no big deal once its ful but if its not itsa nnyoing. On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 4:02 AM, Arg! chillic...@gmail.com wrote: I suggest you go post this topic on the steam forums, instead of leaving us confused as to what this has to do with server operation. On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 5:15 PM, D3vilfish priv...@caterhamhill.net wrote: Q clans official statement was that they quit while on top but it seems to most that due to Q clan having server/steam issues that it fell inline with valves test on delisting, lets also not forget the money they made by deception and miss use of valve software would be enough for valve to slap a law suit on them and take them for everything they had and some! -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Octo Sent: 07 June 2009 08:05 To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Lotus.clan Did valve actually kill off the Q Clan? I thought Qosis just got tired of running game servers. Lotus Clan servers show their fake players as ? in hlsw for me. On Sun, Jun 07, 2009 at 07:23:07AM +0100, D3vilfish wrote: Isn't it time that like Q clan valve stepped in and sorted out lotus clan. Using tactics to fill there servers with fake connections is never going to give the client end user a good gaming experience. Joining a server 25/32 and finding nobody is actually on the server is exactly what the delisting was all about yet Lotus bypassed the whole rating showing there actual servers with real connections in all valve/3rd party browsers desktop, in game, hlsw. There servers performance isn't particularly good there website is a mess and all there doing is conning money from end users for so called popular servers. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Lotus.clan
Lotus is awesome. I'm awesome and you clearly suck :D. There's a bunch of servers with fake players that aren't delisted. Remember there's a public fake player plugin that hasn't been broken. Anyone is free to use it: https://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=74304 Go around joining some of the top ranked servers run by random clams and type in meta list in console and you'll see. On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 2:23 AM, D3vilfish priv...@caterhamhill.net wrote: Isn't it time that like Q clan valve stepped in and sorted out lotus clan. Using tactics to fill there servers with fake connections is never going to give the client end user a good gaming experience. Joining a server 25/32 and finding nobody is actually on the server is exactly what the delisting was all about yet Lotus bypassed the whole rating showing there actual servers with real connections in all valve/3rd party browsers desktop, in game, hlsw. There servers performance isn't particularly good there website is a mess and all there doing is conning money from end users for so called popular servers. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Lotus.clan
Your disillusion of yourself obviously shows with your first statement. As pointed out by members on that thread filling a server with fake clients 1. May get you delisted 2. Doesn't give a good experience for the end user. Hence why you FAIL. Then lets look at your next comment about top ranked clan servers! How exactly do you think they be came top ranked, was it through word and mouth of running good servers and building a community to support the players so they enjoy playing there? NO they con players on to there servers showing servers virtually full even when there virtually empty. Unfortunately so many unsuspecting publics join and make a snow ball effect, as we've all pointed out before if a server only has 2 or 20 players on it at least when someone random joins they know that. Hence why servers listing fake connections to populate there servers are also FAIL. The affect that this has on the genuine games community is 2 fold. 1. Random publics are enticed onto substandard servers and don't join good community servers. 2. The publics then have a bad gaming experience which generally will change there point of view of said game in a negative way. Someone pointed out what does this have to do with running servers, this has everything to-do with running servers. This has to-do with running good servers to meet the needs of the end user because that is how real player bases communities are built unlike the con artists of XXL Lotus! Im an average guy I work hard for a living and ive been running our games community as a interest for over 5 years which we started with as a cs1.2/3/4/5/6 clan and slowly built up from there, its like being shafted every time I turn the pc on to see these idiots abusing the gaming community in general. Peace to all genuine admins let the rest rot in hell! -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of 1nsane Sent: 07 June 2009 11:55 To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Lotus.clan Lotus is awesome. I'm awesome and you clearly suck :D. There's a bunch of servers with fake players that aren't delisted. Remember there's a public fake player plugin that hasn't been broken. Anyone is free to use it: https://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=74304 Go around joining some of the top ranked servers run by random clams and type in meta list in console and you'll see. On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 2:23 AM, D3vilfish priv...@caterhamhill.net wrote: Isn't it time that like Q clan valve stepped in and sorted out lotus clan. Using tactics to fill there servers with fake connections is never going to give the client end user a good gaming experience. Joining a server 25/32 and finding nobody is actually on the server is exactly what the delisting was all about yet Lotus bypassed the whole rating showing there actual servers with real connections in all valve/3rd party browsers desktop, in game, hlsw. There servers performance isn't particularly good there website is a mess and all there doing is conning money from end users for so called popular servers. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Lotus.clan
Oh... com on... Valve could just remove TF2 SDK ability to use fake players inside plugins or just automatically temporary delist servers, who have players with “BOT” tags. (cracked - STEAM_ID_PENDING, achievement servers – BOT_TAGS). I bet that this would require less resources and could be done automatically by master servers for ALL Source games. - Original Message - From: 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Lotus.clan Lotus is awesome. I'm awesome and you clearly suck :D. There's a bunch of servers with fake players that aren't delisted. Remember there's a public fake player plugin that hasn't been broken. Anyone is free to use it: https://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=74304 Go around joining some of the top ranked servers run by random clams and type in meta list in console and you'll see. On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 2:23 AM, D3vilfish priv...@caterhamhill.net wrote: Isn't it time that like Q clan valve stepped in and sorted out lotus clan. Using tactics to fill there servers with fake connections is never going to give the client end user a good gaming experience. Joining a server 25/32 and finding nobody is actually on the server is exactly what the delisting was all about yet Lotus bypassed the whole rating showing there actual servers with real connections in all valve/3rd party browsers desktop, in game, hlsw. There servers performance isn't particularly good there website is a mess and all there doing is conning money from end users for so called popular servers. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Lotus.clan
There's legitimate reasons why servers may have bots - they could be running an an airshot map, for example. In my community, practice maps like that are run on match servers while there isn't any matches on, but I can see a clan with only one server might run it public some of the time, and have it on airshot maps the rest of the time. That would unfairly penalise them. -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux- boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Evaldas Žilinskas Sent: 07 June 2009 12:37 To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Lotus.clan Oh... com on... Valve could just remove TF2 SDK ability to use fake players inside plugins or just automatically temporary delist servers, who have players with “BOT” tags. (cracked - STEAM_ID_PENDING, achievement servers – BOT_TAGS). I bet that this would require less resources and could be done automatically by master servers for ALL Source games. - Original Message - From: 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Lotus.clan Lotus is awesome. I'm awesome and you clearly suck :D. There's a bunch of servers with fake players that aren't delisted. Remember there's a public fake player plugin that hasn't been broken. Anyone is free to use it: https://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=74304 Go around joining some of the top ranked servers run by random clams and type in meta list in console and you'll see. On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 2:23 AM, D3vilfish priv...@caterhamhill.net wrote: Isn't it time that like Q clan valve stepped in and sorted out lotus clan. Using tactics to fill there servers with fake connections is never going to give the client end user a good gaming experience. Joining a server 25/32 and finding nobody is actually on the server is exactly what the delisting was all about yet Lotus bypassed the whole rating showing there actual servers with real connections in all valve/3rd party browsers desktop, in game, hlsw. There servers performance isn't particularly good there website is a mess and all there doing is conning money from end users for so called popular servers. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Lotus.clan
Valve use bots in their developer commentary system, too. But the IBotManager interface of the current OrangeBox SDK is broken since the Scout update. *still waiting for a fix* :P -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of gamead...@127001.org Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 4:22 PM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Lotus.clan There's legitimate reasons why servers may have bots - they could be running an an airshot map, for example. In my community, practice maps like that are run on match servers while there isn't any matches on, but I can see a clan with only one server might run it public some of the time, and have it on airshot maps the rest of the time. That would unfairly penalise them. -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux- boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Evaldas Žilinskas Sent: 07 June 2009 12:37 To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Lotus.clan Oh... com on... Valve could just remove TF2 SDK ability to use fake players inside plugins or just automatically temporary delist servers, who have players with “BOT” tags. (cracked - STEAM_ID_PENDING, achievement servers – BOT_TAGS). I bet that this would require less resources and could be done automatically by master servers for ALL Source games. - Original Message - From: 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Lotus.clan Lotus is awesome. I'm awesome and you clearly suck :D. There's a bunch of servers with fake players that aren't delisted. Remember there's a public fake player plugin that hasn't been broken. Anyone is free to use it: https://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=74304 Go around joining some of the top ranked servers run by random clams and type in meta list in console and you'll see. On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 2:23 AM, D3vilfish priv...@caterhamhill.net wrote: Isn't it time that like Q clan valve stepped in and sorted out lotus clan. Using tactics to fill there servers with fake connections is never going to give the client end user a good gaming experience. Joining a server 25/32 and finding nobody is actually on the server is exactly what the delisting was all about yet Lotus bypassed the whole rating showing there actual servers with real connections in all valve/3rd party browsers desktop, in game, hlsw. There servers performance isn't particularly good there website is a mess and all there doing is conning money from end users for so called popular servers. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Lotus.clan
There sure has been a lot of QQ about other servers on these lists lately. Are you guys really that jealous? Is it really worth all of the time and energy whining about de-listing these servers, de-listing those servers, etc? Just run your servers, build your community, and re-route that energy into having fun on your servers, with your community of players. Players that connect to these other servers will eventually discover that they're not getting what they were expecting and will move on. If not, then perhaps they deserve to be there? The better players will shop around the servers looking for the right ones they enjoy playing. Focus on providing that environment for them, not complaining about others. Besides, server ranking won't matter if you have a solid community. For example, Voogru's TF2 server is constantly full. There are real players, which are really good and fun to play on a team with. His dodgeball server, although exclusive, still manages to never be empty. He works hard to create a fun gaming environment, which keep the players coming back and his servers on the favorites list, which is by far better than Valve's server ranking system. I think we've all seen plenty of server complaints over the past week, let's give it a rest and go back to enjoying the game. -- HoundDawg UnitedAdmins.com Forums: http://forums.unitedadmins.com Steam: http://steam.unitedadmins.com Wiki: http://wiki.unitedadmins.com Isn't it time that like Q clan valve stepped in and sorted out lotus clan. Using tactics to fill there servers with fake connections is never going to give the client end user a good gaming experience. Joining a server 25/32 and finding nobody is actually on the server is exactly what the delisting was all about yet Lotus bypassed the whole rating showing there actual servers with real connections in all valve/3rd party browsers desktop, in game, hlsw. There servers performance isn't particularly good there website is a mess and all there doing is conning money from end users for so called popular servers. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Lotus.clan
You speak as though you haven't ever played a source game. I usually play on servers that have lots of people already on, and sort the server list by occupancy. When multiple clans begin to fake the number of online players, it clutters the server window. There is no easy way to remove these servers from the listing client side. I'd really prefer to not shop around to find a full server. These empty servers detract from the quality of the game. If I had an easy way to programmatically block these servers client side I wouldn't complain since I would be able to fix the problem. But, since there is no such method and Valve isn't cleaning out the list, I feel that the only way to fix to problem is to complain publicly. HoundDawg wrote: There sure has been a lot of QQ about other servers on these lists lately. Are you guys really that jealous? Is it really worth all of the time and energy whining about de-listing these servers, de-listing those servers, etc? Just run your servers, build your community, and re-route that energy into having fun on your servers, with your community of players. Players that connect to these other servers will eventually discover that they're not getting what they were expecting and will move on. If not, then perhaps they deserve to be there? The better players will shop around the servers looking for the right ones they enjoy playing. Focus on providing that environment for them, not complaining about others. Besides, server ranking won't matter if you have a solid community. For example, Voogru's TF2 server is constantly full. There are real players, which are really good and fun to play on a team with. His dodgeball server, although exclusive, still manages to never be empty. He works hard to create a fun gaming environment, which keep the players coming back and his servers on the favorites list, which is by far better than Valve's server ranking system. I think we've all seen plenty of server complaints over the past week, let's give it a rest and go back to enjoying the game. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
