Re: [hlds_linux] *Alfred* Very high CPU usage since HLDS Engine upgrade 35
I just more or less want to post a Me too mail. hlds uses more resources than before. I am running them on FreeBSD 4.x, 5.x and 6.x with different types of linux_bases. Most of them are now using Gentoo 2005.x and 2006.x for the linuxulator. /Bjorn On Sun, 28 May 2006, Mike Noordermeer wrote: Well, status here is that serverside FPS is quite ok without pingboost for ticrate 150, with -pingboost 2 for ticrate 400 and unstable with any other combo. But well, that's the HLDS. Distro doesn't seem to matter, only Ubuntu shows somewhat unstable FPS with any combo. Also Ubuntu 5.10/6.06 and Debian testing show a somewhat high system CPU usage (could be measurement, but don't think so since the info comes directly from /proc), Glibc is 2.3.5 / 2.3.6, with NPTL. Debian stable or any Gentoo doesn't show higher system cpu usage. That system CPU usage thingy could also not be related to the HLDS update though, since I haven't watched it before the update. Haven't seem weird CPU numbers during the testing, but have seen problems in the wild with 1 Gentoo box (Glibc 2.3.4 w/ NPTL) going crazy with any form of pingboost and have seen some weird issues with a hldm server on various boxes (Gentoo 2004.3/2005.0 and Ubuntu 5.10) Conclusion: I have no idea where the problem is and what's causing it. Also what the problem is, is still somewhat vague. Some people just see more unstable FPS, some people see higher CPU usage numbers, and some people just see laggy servers. Because of that I would really like to know what changed in the last HLDS update regarding timing/pingboost, if something changed, that could clear up things a bit. -- Mike Noordermeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] *Alfred* Very high CPU usage since HLDS Engine upgrade 35
Hi, I'll try to plan some maintenance to switch to a 32 bit OS on some machines, we'll see if that helps. Please tell us the result! Well, I migrated one box with some servers on it, but don't really see a difference. Some customers are still whining and FPS on some servers is still instable. FPS for -pingboost servers continues to be a problem it seems. For non -pingboost it seems to be quite ok, but those really never had big problems. Still busy experimenting with different distributions etc, some things seem to make a big difference (glibc version/type (nptl/linuxthreads), kernel version, 32/64 bit etc.) -- Mike Noordermeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] *Alfred* Very high CPU usage since HLDS Engine upgrade 35
Btw, on one server we haven't been able to run any ping boosted server for a while. We thought the problem was hardware bound, but I digged some logs now and the complaining started at 13 March, exactly after the HLDS update of 9 March. Seems quite clear to me now there really are issues with the HLDS since the last update. Valve/Alfred, what timing related stuff changed in the last update that caused this problems? Can't it be reverted or something? -- Mike Noordermeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] *Alfred* Very high CPU usage since HLDS Engine upgrade 35
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r2-i386-netinst.iso download install and enjoy i say or you have some crappy hardware. -- //Rikard 'Zapy' Bremark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Warzone Short Valley - Warzone.nu Mike Noordermeer wrote: Btw, on one server we haven't been able to run any ping boosted server for a while. We thought the problem was hardware bound, but I digged some logs now and the complaining started at 13 March, exactly after the HLDS update of 9 March. Seems quite clear to me now there really are issues with the HLDS since the last update. Valve/Alfred, what timing related stuff changed in the last update that caused this problems? Can't it be reverted or something? -- Mike Noordermeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] *Alfred* Very high CPU usage since HLDS Engine upgrade 35
Rikard, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r2-i386-netinst.iso download install and enjoy i say or you have some crappy hardware. Please keep any flaming on our hardware off-list. (Btw, the machines are al Dual AMD Opteron, Tyan Thunder K8S(-D) Pro, 2+ GB ECC REG ram, WD Raptor HD's) Debian shows the same issues (as does Ubuntu). I personally think most people don't notice the problem because their users aren't as demanding as ours, because they're using different ticrate/pingboost settings or because they simple run less servers which makes the number of complaining customers smaller ;-) -- Mike Noordermeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] *Alfred* Very high CPU usage since HLDS Engine upgrade 35
Exactly! I also think acutally alot of people have that issue, but wont notice or report it, as they for example got enough CPU Resources Free, so their Server ran at 40% before, and is now running at 70%, so they won't notice Pingsspikes or lags. cheers SecurityFox I personally think most people don't notice the problem because their users aren't as demanding as ours, because they're using different ticrate/pingboost settings or because they simple run less servers which makes the number of complaining customers smaller ;-) -- Mike Noordermeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] *Alfred* Very high CPU usage since HLDS Engine upgrade 35
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly! I also think acutally alot of people have that issue, but wont notice or report it, as they for example got enough CPU Resources Free, so their Server ran at 40% before, and is now running at 70%, so they won't notice Pingsspikes or lags. Yeah well, currently I'm testing some different setups here, partly because of the issues here, partly because of some other issues we have since migrating some servers to Ubuntu (higher system cpu usage especially). Atm distro and pingboost parameter seem to make a big difference. Ubuntu shows somewhat unstable FPS (and high system CPU usage, even when servers are idle), Gentoo is fine, especially with -pingboost 2 and a sys_ticrate of 400, now going to try Debian. So the problem might very well be distro / setup related. -- Mike Noordermeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] *Alfred* Very high CPU usage since HLDS Engine upgrade 35
My testing RHEL5 box running 64bit multilib does exhibit this problem with -pingboost. Note it does have both nptl and linuxthreads support built into glibc. It also uses a 2.6.16 kernel. My gentoo boxes are using glibc2.4 which only support nptl and are using 64bit multilib on a 2.6.16 kernel. The Gentoo boxes (used anywhere we have full control of the machines) do not exhibit the problem at all. Our RHEL4 boxes do not have the problem at all. (they are used where we do not have 100% control of the boxes.) Mike Noordermeer wrote: Hi, I'll try to plan some maintenance to switch to a 32 bit OS on some machines, we'll see if that helps. Please tell us the result! Well, I migrated one box with some servers on it, but don't really see a difference. Some customers are still whining and FPS on some servers is still instable. FPS for -pingboost servers continues to be a problem it seems. For non -pingboost it seems to be quite ok, but those really never had big problems. Still busy experimenting with different distributions etc, some things seem to make a big difference (glibc version/type (nptl/linuxthreads), kernel version, 32/64 bit etc.) -- Mike Noordermeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] *Alfred* Very high CPU usage since HLDS Engine upgrade 35
Well, status here is that serverside FPS is quite ok without pingboost for ticrate 150, with -pingboost 2 for ticrate 400 and unstable with any other combo. But well, that's the HLDS. Distro doesn't seem to matter, only Ubuntu shows somewhat unstable FPS with any combo. Also Ubuntu 5.10/6.06 and Debian testing show a somewhat high system CPU usage (could be measurement, but don't think so since the info comes directly from /proc), Glibc is 2.3.5 / 2.3.6, with NPTL. Debian stable or any Gentoo doesn't show higher system cpu usage. That system CPU usage thingy could also not be related to the HLDS update though, since I haven't watched it before the update. Haven't seem weird CPU numbers during the testing, but have seen problems in the wild with 1 Gentoo box (Glibc 2.3.4 w/ NPTL) going crazy with any form of pingboost and have seen some weird issues with a hldm server on various boxes (Gentoo 2004.3/2005.0 and Ubuntu 5.10) Conclusion: I have no idea where the problem is and what's causing it. Also what the problem is, is still somewhat vague. Some people just see more unstable FPS, some people see higher CPU usage numbers, and some people just see laggy servers. Because of that I would really like to know what changed in the last HLDS update regarding timing/pingboost, if something changed, that could clear up things a bit. -- Mike Noordermeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] *Alfred* Very high CPU usage since HLDS Engine upgrade 35
Hi I'll try to plan some maintenance to switch to a 32 bit OS on some machines, we'll see if that helps. Please tell us the result! cheers SecurityFox Mike Noordermeer schrieb: Hi, First of all, thanks for the reply Alfred. Well, the problems are quite vague here. I'm not seeing really high CPU usage numbers, except for on some servers. I do see some increased instability and a less stable serverside FPS. Currently we're using a x86_64 kernels on all our boxes, mostly 2.6.15 or 2.6.16, and running the hlds in 32 bit mode through multilib. (Btw, the reason for this choice was the better performance of the 64 bit hlds) OS is either Gentoo (old versions, 2004.3/2005.0) or Ubuntu 5.10. I also recently updated a box to Ubuntu 6.06 Beta, but that didn't help anything. All boxes are dual processor, some are dual core too, processes aren't locked to a specific processor (and that's not something I consider a solution either, since I don't want to lock the processes). None of the boxes are using PowerNow/CoolQuiet or w/e. I'll try to plan some maintenance to switch to a 32 bit OS on some machines, we'll see if that helps. -- Mike Noordermeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] *Alfred* Very high CPU usage since HLDS Engine upgrade 35
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] We experienced the same cpu issues on p4 2.8Ghz boxes with 1-2Gb of ram running Fedora Core 4. I fixed the problems by taking them offline! -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] *Alfred* Very high CPU usage since HLDS Engine upgrade 35
Hi, First of all, thanks for the reply Alfred. Well, the problems are quite vague here. I'm not seeing really high CPU usage numbers, except for on some servers. I do see some increased instability and a less stable serverside FPS. Currently we're using a x86_64 kernels on all our boxes, mostly 2.6.15 or 2.6.16, and running the hlds in 32 bit mode through multilib. (Btw, the reason for this choice was the better performance of the 64 bit hlds) OS is either Gentoo (old versions, 2004.3/2005.0) or Ubuntu 5.10. I also recently updated a box to Ubuntu 6.06 Beta, but that didn't help anything. All boxes are dual processor, some are dual core too, processes aren't locked to a specific processor (and that's not something I consider a solution either, since I don't want to lock the processes). None of the boxes are using PowerNow/CoolQuiet or w/e. I'll try to plan some maintenance to switch to a 32 bit OS on some machines, we'll see if that helps. -- Mike Noordermeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] *Alfred* Very high CPU usage since HLDS Engine upgrade 35
Alfred, Could you please respond to this matter? Is there being worked on, is the problem unknown, are we just stupid, just a little I've read it and xyz would be nice. -- Regards, Mike Noordermeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] *Alfred* Very high CPU usage since HLDS Engine upgrade 35
I have been monitoring the list. I have not been able to reproduce the problem and it seems that only a subset of users are effected. I wonder if it is related to multi-core machines (hence my suggestion a while ago to lock the process to a single CPU to see how that helps) but that is just a guess. The status is we are waiting for more information on the problem. - Alfred Mike Noordermeer wrote: Alfred, Could you please respond to this matter? Is there being worked on, is the problem unknown, are we just stupid, just a little I've read it and xyz would be nice. -- Regards, Mike Noordermeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] *Alfred* Very high CPU usage since HLDS Engine upgrade 35
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] like iwe said, this is not a problem with HLDS its something with just that linux distor, running Debian Sarge here with latest 686 kernel, 3 servers 14 slots on a dual 2.2 opteron 1 gb ram and no lag spikes here, also a bunch of plugins. however ther ARE problems with SRCDS, but i guess its bad coding from the valve staff when they changed the cpu handle for SRCDS and that it will be fixed in the next release. -- //Rikard 'Zapy' Bremark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Warzone Short Valley - Warzone.nu Alfred Reynolds wrote: I have been monitoring the list. I have not been able to reproduce the problem and it seems that only a subset of users are effected. I wonder if it is related to multi-core machines (hence my suggestion a while ago to lock the process to a single CPU to see how that helps) but that is just a guess. The status is we are waiting for more information on the problem. - Alfred Mike Noordermeer wrote: Alfred, Could you please respond to this matter? Is there being worked on, is the problem unknown, are we just stupid, just a little I've read it and xyz would be nice. -- Regards, Mike Noordermeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] *Alfred* Very high CPU usage since HLDS Engine upgrade 35
Hello Alfred Thanks for your reply. I don't think that it's a multi-core CPU Problem, as I got the same problem on our single core Server (AMD Athlon 64 3700+). Our both Servers, one Athlon 4200+ dualcore and one Athlon 64 3700+ are running Suse 10.0 64 bit. But we also had the problem when I installed Debian 3.1 64 bit, to test. So it's no Operating System Problem aswell. One last Idea: Our Servers are running in 32 bit mode, but our OS is 64 bit. Maybe thats the Problem - running 32 bit HLDS on a 64 bit OS. I can't test if the Problem would be gone, when using the 64 bit binarys though, as Natural-Selection has no 64 bit binary. So, maybe you could try to replicate that, Alfred. Running HLDS v35 in 32 bit mode on a 64 bit OS. I can imagine, that alot of people also have this problem, but probably just wont notice, as they got enough free CPU power anyway not like Servers running 32 Slots and alot of Plugins - we will notice performance problems first! Things I think we know till now: Its not: - a CPU problem - we got reports from both, Intel and AMD Systems - a Operation System Problem - we got reports from Suse 10, Debian 3.1 and some others - a Mod problem - we got reports from people running different mods - a dualcore or dual cpu problem. Maybe its a 32/64 bit Problem, or, 32 bit on 64 bit os problem. Rikard Bremark: This Topic is not about SRCDS problems. You are completely offtopic. Also, it is not just a linux distribution problem as you say, as I got the problem with Debian 3.1 aswell as with Suse 10.0. And even if so, it would be still HLDS fault, as v29 works completely fine, but v35 not. looking forward to an answer, Alfred SecurityFox Alfred Reynolds schrieb: I have been monitoring the list. I have not been able to reproduce the problem and it seems that only a subset of users are effected. I wonder if it is related to multi-core machines (hence my suggestion a while ago to lock the process to a single CPU to see how that helps) but that is just a guess. The status is we are waiting for more information on the problem. - Alfred ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] *Alfred* Very high CPU usage since HLDS Engine upgrade 35
How many people who have this problem, are running a regular x86 32bit system and how many who have this are running 64bit-multilib? (I assume no one is using a 32bit chroot inside a 64bit pure enviroment) (Several people who have mentioned this problem have also mentioned running 64bit multilib.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Alfred Thanks for your reply. I don't think that it's a multi-core CPU Problem, as I got the same problem on our single core Server (AMD Athlon 64 3700+). Our both Servers, one Athlon 4200+ dualcore and one Athlon 64 3700+ are running Suse 10.0 64 bit. But we also had the problem when I installed Debian 3.1 64 bit, to test. So it's no Operating System Problem aswell. One last Idea: Our Servers are running in 32 bit mode, but our OS is 64 bit. Maybe thats the Problem - running 32 bit HLDS on a 64 bit OS. I can't test if the Problem would be gone, when using the 64 bit binarys though, as Natural-Selection has no 64 bit binary. So, maybe you could try to replicate that, Alfred. Running HLDS v35 in 32 bit mode on a 64 bit OS. I can imagine, that alot of people also have this problem, but probably just wont notice, as they got enough free CPU power anyway not like Servers running 32 Slots and alot of Plugins - we will notice performance problems first! Things I think we know till now: Its not: - a CPU problem - we got reports from both, Intel and AMD Systems - a Operation System Problem - we got reports from Suse 10, Debian 3.1 and some others - a Mod problem - we got reports from people running different mods - a dualcore or dual cpu problem. Maybe its a 32/64 bit Problem, or, 32 bit on 64 bit os problem. Rikard Bremark: This Topic is not about SRCDS problems. You are completely offtopic. Also, it is not just a linux distribution problem as you say, as I got the problem with Debian 3.1 aswell as with Suse 10.0. And even if so, it would be still HLDS fault, as v29 works completely fine, but v35 not. looking forward to an answer, Alfred SecurityFox Alfred Reynolds schrieb: I have been monitoring the list. I have not been able to reproduce the problem and it seems that only a subset of users are effected. I wonder if it is related to multi-core machines (hence my suggestion a while ago to lock the process to a single CPU to see how that helps) but that is just a guess. The status is we are waiting for more information on the problem. - Alfred ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] *Alfred* Very high CPU usage since HLDS Engine upgrade 35
Just out of curiosity ... for those with this problem, are you using cpuspeed? It'll cause the exact problem you are seeing if enabled. George. - Original Message - From: Alfred Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 12:42 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] *Alfred* Very high CPU usage since HLDS Engine upgrade 35 I have been monitoring the list. I have not been able to reproduce the problem and it seems that only a subset of users are effected. I wonder if it is related to multi-core machines (hence my suggestion a while ago to lock the process to a single CPU to see how that helps) but that is just a guess. The status is we are waiting for more information on the problem. - Alfred Mike Noordermeer wrote: Alfred, Could you please respond to this matter? Is there being worked on, is the problem unknown, are we just stupid, just a little I've read it and xyz would be nice. -- Regards, Mike Noordermeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] *Alfred* Very high CPU usage since HLDS Engine upgrade 35
This has something to do with OS. Last week I've changed about 4 versions of kernel and ~10 various configurations of if. At last 2.6.11.4 version is working fine with my HLDS servers (Pentium 4 servers) ant a bit lower CPU usage on SRCDS (Pentium 4 too) servers. Now a 24slot full CS1.6 server uses ~ 20-30% CPU. And ~24slot full CSS server uses ~60-70% CPU. A gerat start for me. :). - Original Message - From: Stuart Stegall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] *Alfred* Very high CPU usage since HLDS Engine upgrade 35 How many people who have this problem, are running a regular x86 32bit system and how many who have this are running 64bit-multilib? (I assume no one is using a 32bit chroot inside a 64bit pure enviroment) (Several people who have mentioned this problem have also mentioned running 64bit multilib.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Alfred Thanks for your reply. I don't think that it's a multi-core CPU Problem, as I got the same problem on our single core Server (AMD Athlon 64 3700+). Our both Servers, one Athlon 4200+ dualcore and one Athlon 64 3700+ are running Suse 10.0 64 bit. But we also had the problem when I installed Debian 3.1 64 bit, to test. So it's no Operating System Problem aswell. One last Idea: Our Servers are running in 32 bit mode, but our OS is 64 bit. Maybe thats the Problem - running 32 bit HLDS on a 64 bit OS. I can't test if the Problem would be gone, when using the 64 bit binarys though, as Natural-Selection has no 64 bit binary. So, maybe you could try to replicate that, Alfred. Running HLDS v35 in 32 bit mode on a 64 bit OS. I can imagine, that alot of people also have this problem, but probably just wont notice, as they got enough free CPU power anyway not like Servers running 32 Slots and alot of Plugins - we will notice performance problems first! Things I think we know till now: Its not: - a CPU problem - we got reports from both, Intel and AMD Systems - a Operation System Problem - we got reports from Suse 10, Debian 3.1 and some others - a Mod problem - we got reports from people running different mods - a dualcore or dual cpu problem. Maybe its a 32/64 bit Problem, or, 32 bit on 64 bit os problem. Rikard Bremark: This Topic is not about SRCDS problems. You are completely offtopic. Also, it is not just a linux distribution problem as you say, as I got the problem with Debian 3.1 aswell as with Suse 10.0. And even if so, it would be still HLDS fault, as v29 works completely fine, but v35 not. looking forward to an answer, Alfred SecurityFox Alfred Reynolds schrieb: I have been monitoring the list. I have not been able to reproduce the problem and it seems that only a subset of users are effected. I wonder if it is related to multi-core machines (hence my suggestion a while ago to lock the process to a single CPU to see how that helps) but that is just a guess. The status is we are waiting for more information on the problem. - Alfred ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] *Alfred* Very high CPU usage since HLDS Engine upgrade 35
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] so what is suse then? windows? i dont know and i dont mean to find out, not when im writing this email, its liunx / unix same shit diffrent names. try install a 32 bit kernel instead and you will se that it works like it should. iwe tried starting hlds on 64 bits kernel but thats a no go over all. -- //Rikard 'Zapy' Bremark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Warzone Short Valley - Warzone.nu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Alfred Thanks for your reply. I don't think that it's a multi-core CPU Problem, as I got the same problem on our single core Server (AMD Athlon 64 3700+). Our both Servers, one Athlon 4200+ dualcore and one Athlon 64 3700+ are running Suse 10.0 64 bit. But we also had the problem when I installed Debian 3.1 64 bit, to test. So it's no Operating System Problem aswell. One last Idea: Our Servers are running in 32 bit mode, but our OS is 64 bit. Maybe thats the Problem - running 32 bit HLDS on a 64 bit OS. I can't test if the Problem would be gone, when using the 64 bit binarys though, as Natural-Selection has no 64 bit binary. So, maybe you could try to replicate that, Alfred. Running HLDS v35 in 32 bit mode on a 64 bit OS. I can imagine, that alot of people also have this problem, but probably just wont notice, as they got enough free CPU power anyway not like Servers running 32 Slots and alot of Plugins - we will notice performance problems first! Things I think we know till now: Its not: - a CPU problem - we got reports from both, Intel and AMD Systems - a Operation System Problem - we got reports from Suse 10, Debian 3.1 and some others - a Mod problem - we got reports from people running different mods - a dualcore or dual cpu problem. Maybe its a 32/64 bit Problem, or, 32 bit on 64 bit os problem. Rikard Bremark: This Topic is not about SRCDS problems. You are completely offtopic. Also, it is not just a linux distribution problem as you say, as I got the problem with Debian 3.1 aswell as with Suse 10.0. And even if so, it would be still HLDS fault, as v29 works completely fine, but v35 not. looking forward to an answer, Alfred SecurityFox Alfred Reynolds schrieb: I have been monitoring the list. I have not been able to reproduce the problem and it seems that only a subset of users are effected. I wonder if it is related to multi-core machines (hence my suggestion a while ago to lock the process to a single CPU to see how that helps) but that is just a guess. The status is we are waiting for more information on the problem. - Alfred ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] *Alfred* Very high CPU usage since HLDS Engine upgrade 35
At 04:38 PM 5/23/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But we also had the problem when I installed Debian 3.1 64 bit, to test. So it's no Operating System Problem aswell. Things I think we know till now: Its not: - a CPU problem - we got reports from both, Intel and AMD Systems - a Operation System Problem - we got reports from Suse 10, Debian 3.1 You didn't rule out anything. You just tested 64bit this and that, which is basically the same thing from one specific distro to another. and some others - a Mod problem - we got reports from people running different mods - a dualcore or dual cpu problem. You should really try and use a 32bit system instead of bleeding edge 64bit stuff. I don't see any high cpu usage everyone that everyone says, but then again, I stick to using x86 stuff until I have the need for more than 4 gigs of memory. Until valve officially supports x64, stick with what is modern, and not bleeding edge. /ges ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] *Alfred* Very high CPU usage since HLDS Engine upgrade 35
Is there a big difference in performance, between using HLDS/SRDS in 32/64 mode? What takes more CPU, 32 or 64 bit? Gary wrote: At 04:38 PM 5/23/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But we also had the problem when I installed Debian 3.1 64 bit, to test. So it's no Operating System Problem aswell. Things I think we know till now: Its not: - a CPU problem - we got reports from both, Intel and AMD Systems - a Operation System Problem - we got reports from Suse 10, Debian 3.1 You didn't rule out anything. You just tested 64bit this and that, which is basically the same thing from one specific distro to another. and some others - a Mod problem - we got reports from people running different mods - a dualcore or dual cpu problem. You should really try and use a 32bit system instead of bleeding edge 64bit stuff. I don't see any high cpu usage everyone that everyone says, but then again, I stick to using x86 stuff until I have the need for more than 4 gigs of memory. Until valve officially supports x64, stick with what is modern, and not bleeding edge. /ges ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] *Alfred* Very high CPU usage since HLDS Engine upgrade 35
On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 18:41 -0400, Gary wrote: You should really try and use a 32bit system instead of bleeding edge 64bit stuff. I don't see any high cpu usage everyone that everyone says, but then again, I stick to using x86 stuff until I have the need for more than 4 gigs of memory. Well, I haven't noticed any problems. My box has two opteron 270s, 4 gigs or ram, SATA drives, and runs on FC4 x86_64 (kernel: 2.6.15-1.1833_FC4smp). Source is a lot hungrier than hlds, of course, and it continuously leaks memory, even when not in use. That could be a mani or other plugin problem, however. On average between 2 and 3 x 20 slot srcds servers, and 4 and 6 x 16 slots hlds mods are running at any time. All hlds servers use the hlds_amd binary, not the out of date 64 bit one. Apart from a slight increase in resource use on srcds servers, most likely related to the extra content released in the major updates, I've not noticed anything odd in the last year or so for either hlds or srcds servers. The steam ID issue has gone, performance is much of a muchness. Resource use for hlds has actually decreased a bit for me lately, due to improvements in amxx and metamod-p. This has had the most noticeable affect on the bigger, bulkier mods (e.g.: wc3ft). I don't think it's directly to do with the 32bit/64bit architecture differences. More likely the libraries, as others have suggested? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] *Alfred* Very high CPU usage since HLDS Engine upgrade 35
On May 23, 2006, at 5:53 PM, Andrew Forsberg wrote: On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 18:41 -0400, Gary wrote: You should really try and use a 32bit system instead of bleeding edge 64bit stuff. I don't see any high cpu usage everyone that everyone says, but then again, I stick to using x86 stuff until I have the need for more than 4 gigs of memory. Well, I haven't noticed any problems. My box has two opteron 270s, 4 gigs or ram, SATA drives, and runs on FC4 x86_64 (kernel: 2.6.15-1.1833_FC4smp). Source is a lot hungrier than hlds, of course, and it continuously leaks memory, even when not in use. That could be a mani or other plugin problem, however. On average between 2 and 3 x 20 slot srcds servers, and 4 and 6 x 16 slots hlds mods are running at any time. All hlds servers use the hlds_amd binary, not the out of date 64 bit one. Our source servers are leaking too, but they're also reporting the leaks. We are not using any mods. However, we aren't having any other troubles. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
