Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Marcel]

I just wanted to leave my 2 cents that this really sucks.

Bad move valve :(

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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Guy Watkins]

} -Original Message-
} From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-
} boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Ferenc Kovacs
} Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:21 AM
} To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
} Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing
} lists
} 
} On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Oliver Salzburg
} wrote:
} 
} > I think you mean a pain in the ♥♥♥.
} >
} > Adam Smith wrote:
} > > Sorry I think not, The steam forums are slow searching is a pain the
} a**.
} > >
} > > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Burton Johnsey
}  >wrote:
} > >
} > >
} > >> This should no longer be an issue as we have a vastly more robust
} system
} > in
} > >> place.
} > >>
} > >> -Original Message-
} > >> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:
} > >> hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of SakeFox
} > >> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:11 PM
} > >> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
} > >> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing
} > lists
} > >>
} > >> and i completely understand that, however there forums have been
} proven
} > >> to be terrible since on any patch day or high traffic times they are
} > >> nearly impossible to view
} > >>
} > >> James Gurney wrote:
} > >>
} > >>> SakeFox wrote:
} > >>>
} > >>>
} > >>>> Ok, make a new mailing list then. the software is out there and
} free.
} > >>>>
} > >>>>
} > >>> No-one is going to join an un-official mailing list. I'd be quite
} happy
} > >>> to host one.. as would, I'm sure, many of the admins on this list..
} but
} > >>> at the end of the day, the fact that this is an "official" list is
} the
} > >>> reason people are here in the first place.
} > >>>
} > >>> James
} > >>>
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} > >>>
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Rick Payton]

 There's nothing wrong with idling in IRC contributing more questions
then answers. I do just that all day long. Eventually, you'll contribute
something.

-mauirixxx
bind p piss

-Original Message-
From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
Shelley
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 1:22 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing
lists


I pop in and out of the channel to ask the odd question here and there
in the hope that someone extremely more knowleagble than you (in fact
i'd go so far as to say i cannot seem to find one instance of you
providing an actual solution to anyone's problem on this list) can give
me a sensible, polite answer - and i've been 'rescued' a number of times
by Neph and Richard. I see no point idling there all day when i simply
contribute more to questioning than answering. Hence, once i got the
answer, i'm outta there til the next time.


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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Patrick Shelley]

Great speech msleeper, if my daughter has trouble sleeping tonight i'll be
sure to read it to her...

In my one email on this subject, not once did i infer that thie mailing list
is/was/should be an open channel to Valve or indeed a support channel.

Ive pasted it below so you can re-read it:

---
Heres my 10 cents...

1) I cant be arsed visiting another bloody website to check for updates,
report issues, et al

2) The forums at steam can get so overloaded on an update its like their
being DoS'd

3) l33t et al are just gonna piss us off with nonsense blah blah blah

4) Maybe Valve DO read this list and find an increasing amount of their time
is taken up with filtering through arguments and flames and off topic
bullshit that we're ALL guilty of from time to time.

5) Lets focus on the age old staple of Q&A only here. No shit like "shut up
fattie" or "you run cracked servers" - because with that kinda shite we
might as well be on the forums anyway. Im not pointing the finger, as i said
above we're all guilty of it at least once.

6) This is deffo the best way for admins to communicate.

7) Sorry to Valve if number 4 is true - we're all gonna try an behave now
---

Now, if your 'pointing the finger' at me rage quitting the IRC channel, your
wrong on that too.  I pop in and out of the channel to ask the odd question
here and there in the hope that someone extremely more knowleagble than you
(in fact i'd go so far as to say i cannot seem to find one instance of you
providing an actual solution to anyone's problem on this list) can give me a
sensible, polite answer - and i've been 'rescued' a number of times by Neph
and Richard. I see no point idling there all day when i simply contribute
more to questioning than answering. Hence, once i got the answer, i'm outta
there til the next time.  Forgive me if your not referring to me, but as you
specifically mentioned me at the start of your email, i feel its best to
cover the bases.

My POV still stands, for the reasons i mentioned above. Especially number 6.
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Andrew Armstrong]

There's already a wiki at http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/ but its
really aimed to mappers/coders at the moment.

-Original Message-
From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Rick Payton
Sent: Wednesday, 11 February 2009 9:51 AM
To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

I wouldn't mind seeing an official valve wiki, provided we get
"official" documentation alongside user added submissions. 

I tried to think of something pertinant to say about the forum / list
blah blah blah .. But the best I could come up with is I'm a
hlds/srcds/Valve fanboy :/ so where ever they move the information to,
I'll follow.

-mauirixxx
Not sent from my RAZR.

-Original Message-
From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Jordan
Toor
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:19 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing
lists

Yeah, I agree. I think there should be atleast a wiki on valve's site
(possibly to accompany the forums) if they are going to shut down the
mailing list. This would allow us to keep a documentation of (atleast
frequent) information in the mailing list. There is a talk section of
each article, so individual subjects can be talked about on it. We could
do a similar thing that I've seen on other wikis, where people can hold
discussions on a particular page just like a mailing list.

Jordan Toor

2009/2/10 Gary Stanley 

> At 01:13 PM 2/10/2009, rav...@arkanox.net wrote:
> >I'm registered to a bunch of mailing list related to server software 
> >such as DSPAM, Drupal, WordPress, DirectAdmin, etc.  Each email for a

> >mailing list is dropped in a specific folder in my inbox using 
> >filters.  It would be a nightmare for me to have to login to all 
> >those forums to keep up with what's going on.  I know I'm not the 
> >only one in that boat.
> >
> >We are gamers but we are also server admins.  It's a different crowd.
> >Forums aren't what we need.  Just like a mailing list wouldn't be 
> >appropriate to replace the Steam forum for regular users and players.
> >This mailing list has a healthy trafic with real issues and the 
> >quality of the posts are quite relevant and rarely offtopic.  Killing

> >it wouldn't send all of us to the Steam forums, it would scatter us 
> >around the net.
> >
> >I think many of us are willing to hit reply when we see an admin with

> >a problem to which we have an answer but we may not have the time to 
> >monitor the Steam forum to offer the same kind of support.  What I'm 
> >saying is that this mailing list is a tool for server admins to 
> >support each other more than it is a communication tool for Valve.  
> >Valve may not need it but we need it.
> >
> >--
> >Ravnox
>
> If forums were a appropriate replacement for mailing lists, then the 
> linux kernel, freebsd-hackers/current, and others should go to forums.
>
> These mailing lists are for more advanced users. Forums are not.
>
>
>
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Rick Payton]

I wouldn't mind seeing an official valve wiki, provided we get
"official" documentation alongside user added submissions. 

I tried to think of something pertinant to say about the forum / list
blah blah blah .. But the best I could come up with is I'm a
hlds/srcds/Valve fanboy :/ so where ever they move the information to,
I'll follow.

-mauirixxx
Not sent from my RAZR.

-Original Message-
From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Jordan
Toor
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:19 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing
lists

Yeah, I agree. I think there should be atleast a wiki on valve's site
(possibly to accompany the forums) if they are going to shut down the
mailing list. This would allow us to keep a documentation of (atleast
frequent) information in the mailing list. There is a talk section of
each article, so individual subjects can be talked about on it. We could
do a similar thing that I've seen on other wikis, where people can hold
discussions on a particular page just like a mailing list.

Jordan Toor

2009/2/10 Gary Stanley 

> At 01:13 PM 2/10/2009, rav...@arkanox.net wrote:
> >I'm registered to a bunch of mailing list related to server software 
> >such as DSPAM, Drupal, WordPress, DirectAdmin, etc.  Each email for a

> >mailing list is dropped in a specific folder in my inbox using 
> >filters.  It would be a nightmare for me to have to login to all 
> >those forums to keep up with what's going on.  I know I'm not the 
> >only one in that boat.
> >
> >We are gamers but we are also server admins.  It's a different crowd.
> >Forums aren't what we need.  Just like a mailing list wouldn't be 
> >appropriate to replace the Steam forum for regular users and players.
> >This mailing list has a healthy trafic with real issues and the 
> >quality of the posts are quite relevant and rarely offtopic.  Killing

> >it wouldn't send all of us to the Steam forums, it would scatter us 
> >around the net.
> >
> >I think many of us are willing to hit reply when we see an admin with

> >a problem to which we have an answer but we may not have the time to 
> >monitor the Steam forum to offer the same kind of support.  What I'm 
> >saying is that this mailing list is a tool for server admins to 
> >support each other more than it is a communication tool for Valve.  
> >Valve may not need it but we need it.
> >
> >--
> >Ravnox
>
> If forums were a appropriate replacement for mailing lists, then the 
> linux kernel, freebsd-hackers/current, and others should go to forums.
>
> These mailing lists are for more advanced users. Forums are not.
>
>
>
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Jordan Toor]

Yeah, I agree. I think there should be atleast a wiki on valve's site
(possibly to accompany the forums) if they are going to shut down the
mailing list. This would allow us to keep a documentation of (atleast
frequent) information in the mailing list. There is a talk section of each
article, so individual subjects can be talked about on it. We could do a
similar thing that I've seen on other wikis, where people can hold
discussions on a particular page just like a mailing list.

Jordan Toor

2009/2/10 Gary Stanley 

> At 01:13 PM 2/10/2009, rav...@arkanox.net wrote:
> >I'm registered to a bunch of mailing list related to server software
> >such as DSPAM, Drupal, WordPress, DirectAdmin, etc.  Each email for a
> >mailing list is dropped in a specific folder in my inbox using
> >filters.  It would be a nightmare for me to have to login to all those
> >forums to keep up with what's going on.  I know I'm not the only one in
> >that boat.
> >
> >We are gamers but we are also server admins.  It's a different crowd.
> >Forums aren't what we need.  Just like a mailing list wouldn't be
> >appropriate to replace the Steam forum for regular users and players.
> >This mailing list has a healthy trafic with real issues and the quality
> >of the posts are quite relevant and rarely offtopic.  Killing it
> >wouldn't send all of us to the Steam forums, it would scatter us around
> >the net.
> >
> >I think many of us are willing to hit reply when we see an admin with a
> >problem to which we have an answer but we may not have the time to
> >monitor the Steam forum to offer the same kind of support.  What I'm
> >saying is that this mailing list is a tool for server admins to support
> >each other more than it is a communication tool for Valve.  Valve may
> >not need it but we need it.
> >
> >--
> >Ravnox
>
> If forums were a appropriate replacement for mailing lists, then the
> linux kernel, freebsd-hackers/current, and others should go to forums.
>
> These mailing lists are for more advanced users. Forums are not.
>
>
>
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Gary Stanley]

At 01:13 PM 2/10/2009, rav...@arkanox.net wrote:
>I'm registered to a bunch of mailing list related to server software
>such as DSPAM, Drupal, WordPress, DirectAdmin, etc.  Each email for a
>mailing list is dropped in a specific folder in my inbox using
>filters.  It would be a nightmare for me to have to login to all those
>forums to keep up with what's going on.  I know I'm not the only one in
>that boat.
>
>We are gamers but we are also server admins.  It's a different crowd.
>Forums aren't what we need.  Just like a mailing list wouldn't be
>appropriate to replace the Steam forum for regular users and players.
>This mailing list has a healthy trafic with real issues and the quality
>of the posts are quite relevant and rarely offtopic.  Killing it
>wouldn't send all of us to the Steam forums, it would scatter us around
>the net.
>
>I think many of us are willing to hit reply when we see an admin with a
>problem to which we have an answer but we may not have the time to
>monitor the Steam forum to offer the same kind of support.  What I'm
>saying is that this mailing list is a tool for server admins to support
>each other more than it is a communication tool for Valve.  Valve may
>not need it but we need it.
>
>--
>Ravnox

If forums were a appropriate replacement for mailing lists, then the 
linux kernel, freebsd-hackers/current, and others should go to forums.

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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Gary Stanley]

At 01:13 PM 2/10/2009, rav...@arkanox.net wrote:
>I'm registered to a bunch of mailing list related to server software
>such as DSPAM, Drupal, WordPress, DirectAdmin, etc.  Each email for a
>mailing list is dropped in a specific folder in my inbox using
>filters.  It would be a nightmare for me to have to login to all those
>forums to keep up with what's going on.  I know I'm not the only one in
>that boat.
>
>We are gamers but we are also server admins.  It's a different crowd.
>Forums aren't what we need.  Just like a mailing list wouldn't be
>appropriate to replace the Steam forum for regular users and players.
>This mailing list has a healthy trafic with real issues and the quality
>of the posts are quite relevant and rarely offtopic.  Killing it
>wouldn't send all of us to the Steam forums, it would scatter us around
>the net.
>
>I think many of us are willing to hit reply when we see an admin with a
>problem to which we have an answer but we may not have the time to
>monitor the Steam forum to offer the same kind of support.  What I'm
>saying is that this mailing list is a tool for server admins to support
>each other more than it is a communication tool for Valve.  Valve may
>not need it but we need it.
>
>--
>Ravnox

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linux kernel, freebsd-hackers/current, and others should go to forums.

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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[ravnox]

That's what a wiki is for.  Valve has a wiki for their SDK.  They just
need one for hlds.  Currently, documentation to run servers is rather
scarce, nonexistent or non-official.

For example, if you wanted to run L4D with forks, where do you
currently get your information?  You Google it.  The result comes back
to this list or to a Steam forum post about a user who was nice enough
to post some information about it.  Who's keeping this information up
to date on the forum?  That's where a wiki would be useful.  One
central area to find valid information about running hlds.

I wasn't happy at all with how L4D was released for us server admins.
Many of us spent countless hours doing guessing work to figure out
options like netconport, forks, multiple server configs, etc.  This
could have been avoided with a wiki from Valve.  I hope they learned
something from how L4D was released so that this does not happen with
their next major release.  Anyway, I don't want to turn this into a
rant about L4D.  We need the mailing list for current and new issues
and we need a wiki to document configuration parameters, installation
procedure, known bugs, etc.

--
Ravnox

On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:05:56 +0100
Imre Facchin  wrote:

> we could start documenting solutions and faqs from the mailing list
> in some sort of CMS so that valve has something for their forums
> documentation section ...
> 
> but probably nobody would write anything there

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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[SakeFox]

trying to get a all the people to do that wouldn't work. although i 
suggested early that maybe it might be something to invest into getting 
one or two volunteers from the mailing list and someone from valve that 
they would be able to email the latest issues from the mailing list and 
keep caught up on anything else from the mailing list without having 
valve actually go through every email.

Something like that i could see benefiting both parties.

Imre Facchin wrote:
> we could start documenting solutions and faqs from the mailing list in some
> sort of CMS so that valve has something for their forums documentation
> section ...
>
> but probably nobody would write anything there
>
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Steven Hartland 
> wrote:
>
>   
>> Indeed Ravnox, but we also need the interaction with Valve like the
>> update notifications which are critical to updating servers.
>>
>> You simply cant let steam download updates to all our servers due
>> to load, and the fact it can often break things so needs to be
>> tested prior to roll out.
>>
>> I really thought this was a spoof so totally ignored it at first as:-
>> 1. I couldn't believe that Valve would think forums are suitable
>> replacement to the mailing list.
>> 2. Came from Google address.
>>
>>Regards
>>Steve
>> - Original Message -
>> From: 
>>
>>
>> 
>>> I'm registered to a bunch of mailing list related to server software
>>> such as DSPAM, Drupal, WordPress, DirectAdmin, etc.  Each email for a
>>> mailing list is dropped in a specific folder in my inbox using
>>> filters.  It would be a nightmare for me to have to login to all those
>>> forums to keep up with what's going on.  I know I'm not the only one in
>>> that boat.
>>>
>>> We are gamers but we are also server admins.  It's a different crowd.
>>> Forums aren't what we need.  Just like a mailing list wouldn't be
>>> appropriate to replace the Steam forum for regular users and players.
>>> This mailing list has a healthy trafic with real issues and the quality
>>> of the posts are quite relevant and rarely offtopic.  Killing it
>>> wouldn't send all of us to the Steam forums, it would scatter us around
>>> the net.
>>>
>>> I think many of us are willing to hit reply when we see an admin with a
>>> problem to which we have an answer but we may not have the time to
>>> monitor the Steam forum to offer the same kind of support.  What I'm
>>> saying is that this mailing list is a tool for server admins to support
>>> each other more than it is a communication tool for Valve.  Valve may
>>> not need it but we need it.
>>>   
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Imre Facchin]

we could start documenting solutions and faqs from the mailing list in some
sort of CMS so that valve has something for their forums documentation
section ...

but probably nobody would write anything there

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Steven Hartland wrote:

> Indeed Ravnox, but we also need the interaction with Valve like the
> update notifications which are critical to updating servers.
>
> You simply cant let steam download updates to all our servers due
> to load, and the fact it can often break things so needs to be
> tested prior to roll out.
>
> I really thought this was a spoof so totally ignored it at first as:-
> 1. I couldn't believe that Valve would think forums are suitable
> replacement to the mailing list.
> 2. Came from Google address.
>
>Regards
>Steve
> - Original Message -
> From: 
>
>
> > I'm registered to a bunch of mailing list related to server software
> > such as DSPAM, Drupal, WordPress, DirectAdmin, etc.  Each email for a
> > mailing list is dropped in a specific folder in my inbox using
> > filters.  It would be a nightmare for me to have to login to all those
> > forums to keep up with what's going on.  I know I'm not the only one in
> > that boat.
> >
> > We are gamers but we are also server admins.  It's a different crowd.
> > Forums aren't what we need.  Just like a mailing list wouldn't be
> > appropriate to replace the Steam forum for regular users and players.
> > This mailing list has a healthy trafic with real issues and the quality
> > of the posts are quite relevant and rarely offtopic.  Killing it
> > wouldn't send all of us to the Steam forums, it would scatter us around
> > the net.
> >
> > I think many of us are willing to hit reply when we see an admin with a
> > problem to which we have an answer but we may not have the time to
> > monitor the Steam forum to offer the same kind of support.  What I'm
> > saying is that this mailing list is a tool for server admins to support
> > each other more than it is a communication tool for Valve.  Valve may
> > not need it but we need it.
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Carlos Echevarne]

:

2009/2/10 Oliver Salzburg 

> Even though I agree fully I just wanted to note that you don't have to
> solve the captcha when registered and logged in.
>
> Kevin J. Anderson wrote:
> > The steam forums are honestly useless in finding data you need.  The
> > search is absolutely horrible... I can't read the captcha to save my
> > life, and I generally end up searching elsewhere for answers.
> >
> > This email list is the best way to disseminate data to server admins,
> > hands down.   I see no reason to disable it, as I see no reason that it
> > might put any kind of burden on valve at all.
> >
> > Kevin Anderson
> >
> > Wolfie - Cybernetic wrote:
> >
> >> I think the danger of it going to a new list outside of valves control
> was
> >> bad for them and us.
> >>
> >> I assume the thought process at valve was, shut this list down and we
> will
> >> all participate in their forums, but if that didn't happen, which is
> what
> >> everyone here indicated in their intentions would have done valve no
> favours
> >> at all.
> >>
> >> Hopefully the lists are here to stay, but perhaps we can think a bit
> more
> >> before posting and use the list as a tool rather than somewhere just to
> moan
> >> and flood the list.
> >>
> >> It can be a lot of mail when you are a member of this and some of the
> >> icculus groups as well.
> >>
> >> Andy
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
> >> [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Miano,
> >> Steven M.
> >> Sent: 10 February 2009 13:43
> >> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
> >> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing
> lists
> >>
> >> Great news that they have thought twice about dismantling this list.
> >>
> >> Thanks for listening Valve, and thanks for posting to the Mailing List
> guys.
> >>
> >> ~MianoSM
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Steven Hartland]

Indeed Ravnox, but we also need the interaction with Valve like the
update notifications which are critical to updating servers.

You simply cant let steam download updates to all our servers due
to load, and the fact it can often break things so needs to be
tested prior to roll out.

I really thought this was a spoof so totally ignored it at first as:-
1. I couldn't believe that Valve would think forums are suitable
replacement to the mailing list.
2. Came from Google address.

Regards
Steve
- Original Message - 
From: 


> I'm registered to a bunch of mailing list related to server software
> such as DSPAM, Drupal, WordPress, DirectAdmin, etc.  Each email for a
> mailing list is dropped in a specific folder in my inbox using
> filters.  It would be a nightmare for me to have to login to all those
> forums to keep up with what's going on.  I know I'm not the only one in
> that boat.
> 
> We are gamers but we are also server admins.  It's a different crowd.
> Forums aren't what we need.  Just like a mailing list wouldn't be
> appropriate to replace the Steam forum for regular users and players.
> This mailing list has a healthy trafic with real issues and the quality
> of the posts are quite relevant and rarely offtopic.  Killing it
> wouldn't send all of us to the Steam forums, it would scatter us around
> the net.  
> 
> I think many of us are willing to hit reply when we see an admin with a
> problem to which we have an answer but we may not have the time to
> monitor the Steam forum to offer the same kind of support.  What I'm
> saying is that this mailing list is a tool for server admins to support
> each other more than it is a communication tool for Valve.  Valve may
> not need it but we need it.



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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[ravnox]

I'm registered to a bunch of mailing list related to server software
such as DSPAM, Drupal, WordPress, DirectAdmin, etc.  Each email for a
mailing list is dropped in a specific folder in my inbox using
filters.  It would be a nightmare for me to have to login to all those
forums to keep up with what's going on.  I know I'm not the only one in
that boat.

We are gamers but we are also server admins.  It's a different crowd.
Forums aren't what we need.  Just like a mailing list wouldn't be
appropriate to replace the Steam forum for regular users and players.
This mailing list has a healthy trafic with real issues and the quality
of the posts are quite relevant and rarely offtopic.  Killing it
wouldn't send all of us to the Steam forums, it would scatter us around
the net.  

I think many of us are willing to hit reply when we see an admin with a
problem to which we have an answer but we may not have the time to
monitor the Steam forum to offer the same kind of support.  What I'm
saying is that this mailing list is a tool for server admins to support
each other more than it is a communication tool for Valve.  Valve may
not need it but we need it.

--
Ravnox

On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:18:41 -0800
Burton Johnsey  wrote:

> Given the feedback received from the list, we are holding off
> migrating the mailing lists to the forums.
> 
> -BurtonJ
> Valve Software

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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Steven Hartland]

Forums are good for something's, admin interaction is not one of
those things I'm afraid.

The primary reason for this is that forums are a pull technology
and not push. Full time admins simply don't have the time to go
and look for information and as such a mailing list is the only
viable option.

Take myself for example I monitor over 30 server mailing lists,
if all these where forums this would just eat most of my day
every day to just keep up to date on the various issues.

A great example of this is the update notifications, moving to
a forums solution would require everyone to be logged browsing
the forums 24/7 instead of just having their usual email client
open, and no forum subscriptions aren't a workable alternative.

Forums maybe more accessible to the average "user" who has the
odd issue or wants to chat, but that's not the same as the
average "admin" who is interested in keeping abreast of ongoing
and new issues, which doesn't fit into the forum model.

A forums solution will be useless to virtually everyone here
so please don't consider it. Your admins are the backbone of
your community and removing the lists will cripple us.

Regards
Steve

- Original Message - 
From: "Burton Johnsey" 


> Given the feedback received from the list, we are holding off migrating the 
> mailing lists to the forums.
>
> The intent of migrating to the forums was to leverage the benefits and 
> features of the forums to further strengthen the 
> community, giving us a central spot to gather feedback. The forum software is 
> continually being updated by vBulletin and is 
> flexible enough to also allow us to add our own features.
>
> To address a couple of specific concerns about the forums:
>
> - Membership - We can keep the membership in the DS forums private so that 
> random forum users cannot post.
> - Moderation - We can assign moderators for specific forums. Moderators would 
> be volunteers from the current mailing list 
> participants.
> - Forum server performance - We have upgraded the system that runs the forums 
> and we do not experience the lag we were 
> experiencing in the past
> - Search CAPTCHA - The captcha is only displayed when not logged in. As long 
> as you are logged in, you will never see a captcha 
> while searching.
> - The forums are accessible to more people than the mailing list.
>
> We want to make things better, not worse.  We appreciate any further feedback 
> you have to offer.



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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[ics]

One thing bothers me with forums vs mailing list. For example if there 
is new exploit going on around there at servers (lets say a cvar that 
crashes the server if player types it in his/her console) and someone 
actually mentions about it at forums, suddenly post gets edited by 
moderator. So now what? Some people spread the thing and it spreads like 
wildfire on certain forums that are not under Valve moderators controll. 
All of us did not see the cvar before it was edited off,  we cannot 
block it by flagging it as cheat with Eventscripts, Sourcemod or some 
other prog (like one of Nephs). This leaves our servers vulnerable for 
days before Valve gets around and makes a patch, if it happens at all 
(i'm not sure if OB affecting physics_select cvar can still be used to 
crash servers, or is it already patched?). If the message would be sent 
to here, we could just see the sent message and deal with it. No one 
likes crashy servers or to have one that could have been fixed by adding 
simple 1 line to config.

If you do want to migrate mailing list users to forums, you will lose 
some but more important is to give a lot of time for people to get used 
to forums. Less than 2 weeks notification of closure about this mailing 
list was pretty hard strike. Good thing these can now live on, much 
easier to follow.

-ics



Burton Johnsey kirjoitti:
> Given the feedback received from the list, we are holding off migrating the 
> mailing lists to the forums.
>
> The intent of migrating to the forums was to leverage the benefits and 
> features of the forums to further strengthen the community, giving us a 
> central spot to gather feedback. The forum software is continually being 
> updated by vBulletin and is flexible enough to also allow us to add our own 
> features.
>
> To address a couple of specific concerns about the forums:
>
> - Membership - We can keep the membership in the DS forums private so that 
> random forum users cannot post.
> - Moderation - We can assign moderators for specific forums. Moderators would 
> be volunteers from the current mailing list participants.
> - Forum server performance - We have upgraded the system that runs the forums 
> and we do not experience the lag we were experiencing in the past
> - Search CAPTCHA - The captcha is only displayed when not logged in. As long 
> as you are logged in, you will never see a captcha while searching.
> - The forums are accessible to more people than the mailing list.
>
>  We want to make things better, not worse.  We appreciate any further 
> feedback you have to offer.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Burton Johnsey
> Date: Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:38 PM
> Subject: Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
> To: 
> hlds_a...@list.valvesoftware.com, 
> Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list 
> mailto:h...@list.valvesoftware.com>>, 
> hlds_li...@valvesoftware.com
>
>
> We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th.
>
> After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the 
> forums listed below.
>
> Windows server discussion should be conducted here:
> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source)
> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc)
>
> Linux server discussion should be conducted here:
> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source)
> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc)
>
> If you have not already done so, please register a forum 
> account.
>
> NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing.
>
> -BurtonJ
> Valve Software
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailin g lists

[Eric Riemers]

I'am just glad its back..

On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:23:24 -0500, Joseph Laws 
wrote:
> Burton, what is the bottom line reason for wanting to end the mailing 
> list?  This is far easier to monitor and respond than forums.  The last 
> thing I want to be doing is having to login to the forum to see wtf is 
> going on when I already have it sitting in my inbox.
> 
> Burton Johnsey wrote:
>> Given the feedback received from the list, we are holding off migrating
> the mailing lists to the forums.
>>
>> The intent of migrating to the forums was to leverage the benefits and
> features of the forums to further strengthen the community, giving us a
> central spot to gather feedback. The forum software is continually being
> updated by vBulletin and is flexible enough to also allow us to add our
own
> features.
>>
>> To address a couple of specific concerns about the forums:
>>
>> - Membership - We can keep the membership in the DS forums private so
> that random forum users cannot post.
>> - Moderation - We can assign moderators for specific forums. Moderators
> would be volunteers from the current mailing list participants.
>> - Forum server performance - We have upgraded the system that runs the
> forums and we do not experience the lag we were experiencing in the past
>> - Search CAPTCHA - The captcha is only displayed when not logged in. As
> long as you are logged in, you will never see a captcha while searching.
>> - The forums are accessible to more people than the mailing list.
>>
>>  We want to make things better, not worse.  We appreciate any further
> feedback you have to offer.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Burton Johnsey
>> Date: Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:38 PM
>> Subject: Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
>> To:
>
hlds_a...@list.valvesoftware.com,
> Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
> mailto:h...@list.valvesoftware.com>>,
> hlds_li...@valvesoftware.com
>>
>>
>> We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February
> 20th.
>>
>> After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of
> the forums listed below.
>>
>> Windows server discussion should be conducted here:
>> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source)
>> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc)
>>
>> Linux server discussion should be conducted here:
>> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source)
>> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc)
>>
>> If you have not already done so, please register a forum
> account.
>>
>> NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing.
>>
>> -BurtonJ
>> Valve Software
>>
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[AusNet Servers Server Administrators]

I still see the issue of getting people to view the forums and make posts...

Are there any RSS feeds for certain forums in the Valve forums? This would
be nice for us, we can then setup our Mail clients to read RSS links which
will provide us with all the information required to read the posts we wish
to, and then login to the forums to post replies.

Regards,
Alex Dibley, System's Administrator
AusNet Servers Australia
www.AusNetServers.com.au

-Original Message-
From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Burton
Johnsey
Sent: Wednesday, 11 February 2009 4:19 AM
To: 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list'
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

Given the feedback received from the list, we are holding off migrating the
mailing lists to the forums.

The intent of migrating to the forums was to leverage the benefits and
features of the forums to further strengthen the community, giving us a
central spot to gather feedback. The forum software is continually being
updated by vBulletin and is flexible enough to also allow us to add our own
features.

To address a couple of specific concerns about the forums:

- Membership - We can keep the membership in the DS forums private so that
random forum users cannot post.
- Moderation - We can assign moderators for specific forums. Moderators
would be volunteers from the current mailing list participants.
- Forum server performance - We have upgraded the system that runs the
forums and we do not experience the lag we were experiencing in the past
- Search CAPTCHA - The captcha is only displayed when not logged in. As long
as you are logged in, you will never see a captcha while searching.
- The forums are accessible to more people than the mailing list.

 We want to make things better, not worse.  We appreciate any further
feedback you have to offer.


-Original Message-
From: Burton Johnsey
Date: Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:38 PM
Subject: Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
To:
hlds_a...@list.valvesoftware.com<mailto:hlds_a...@list.valvesoftware.com>,
Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
mailto:h...@list.valvesoftware.com>>,
hlds_li...@valvesoftware.com<mailto:hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com>


We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th.

After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the
forums listed below.

Windows server discussion should be conducted here:
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source)
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc)

Linux server discussion should be conducted here:
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source)
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc)

If you have not already done so, please register a forum
account<http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/register.php>.

NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing.

-BurtonJ
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Joseph Laws]

Burton, what is the bottom line reason for wanting to end the mailing 
list?  This is far easier to monitor and respond than forums.  The last 
thing I want to be doing is having to login to the forum to see wtf is 
going on when I already have it sitting in my inbox.

Burton Johnsey wrote:
> Given the feedback received from the list, we are holding off migrating the 
> mailing lists to the forums.
>
> The intent of migrating to the forums was to leverage the benefits and 
> features of the forums to further strengthen the community, giving us a 
> central spot to gather feedback. The forum software is continually being 
> updated by vBulletin and is flexible enough to also allow us to add our own 
> features.
>
> To address a couple of specific concerns about the forums:
>
> - Membership - We can keep the membership in the DS forums private so that 
> random forum users cannot post.
> - Moderation - We can assign moderators for specific forums. Moderators would 
> be volunteers from the current mailing list participants.
> - Forum server performance - We have upgraded the system that runs the forums 
> and we do not experience the lag we were experiencing in the past
> - Search CAPTCHA - The captcha is only displayed when not logged in. As long 
> as you are logged in, you will never see a captcha while searching.
> - The forums are accessible to more people than the mailing list.
>
>  We want to make things better, not worse.  We appreciate any further 
> feedback you have to offer.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Burton Johnsey
> Date: Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:38 PM
> Subject: Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
> To: 
> hlds_a...@list.valvesoftware.com, 
> Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list 
> mailto:h...@list.valvesoftware.com>>, 
> hlds_li...@valvesoftware.com
>
>
> We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th.
>
> After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the 
> forums listed below.
>
> Windows server discussion should be conducted here:
> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source)
> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc)
>
> Linux server discussion should be conducted here:
> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source)
> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc)
>
> If you have not already done so, please register a forum 
> account.
>
> NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing.
>
> -BurtonJ
> Valve Software
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Wolfie - Cybernetic]

Why not pipe the emails into the forum?

Surely that's the best for everyone?

-Original Message-
From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Burton
Johnsey
Sent: 10 February 2009 17:19
To: 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list'
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

Given the feedback received from the list, we are holding off migrating the
mailing lists to the forums.

The intent of migrating to the forums was to leverage the benefits and
features of the forums to further strengthen the community, giving us a
central spot to gather feedback. The forum software is continually being
updated by vBulletin and is flexible enough to also allow us to add our own
features.

To address a couple of specific concerns about the forums:

- Membership - We can keep the membership in the DS forums private so that
random forum users cannot post.
- Moderation - We can assign moderators for specific forums. Moderators
would be volunteers from the current mailing list participants.
- Forum server performance - We have upgraded the system that runs the
forums and we do not experience the lag we were experiencing in the past
- Search CAPTCHA - The captcha is only displayed when not logged in. As long
as you are logged in, you will never see a captcha while searching.
- The forums are accessible to more people than the mailing list.

 We want to make things better, not worse.  We appreciate any further
feedback you have to offer.


-Original Message-
From: Burton Johnsey
Date: Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:38 PM
Subject: Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
To:
hlds_a...@list.valvesoftware.com<mailto:hlds_a...@list.valvesoftware.com>,
Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
mailto:h...@list.valvesoftware.com>>,
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We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th.

After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the
forums listed below.

Windows server discussion should be conducted here:
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source)
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc)

Linux server discussion should be conducted here:
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source)
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc)

If you have not already done so, please register a forum
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Burton Johnsey]

Given the feedback received from the list, we are holding off migrating the 
mailing lists to the forums.

The intent of migrating to the forums was to leverage the benefits and features 
of the forums to further strengthen the community, giving us a central spot to 
gather feedback. The forum software is continually being updated by vBulletin 
and is flexible enough to also allow us to add our own features.

To address a couple of specific concerns about the forums:

- Membership - We can keep the membership in the DS forums private so that 
random forum users cannot post.
- Moderation - We can assign moderators for specific forums. Moderators would 
be volunteers from the current mailing list participants.
- Forum server performance - We have upgraded the system that runs the forums 
and we do not experience the lag we were experiencing in the past
- Search CAPTCHA - The captcha is only displayed when not logged in. As long as 
you are logged in, you will never see a captcha while searching.
- The forums are accessible to more people than the mailing list.

 We want to make things better, not worse.  We appreciate any further feedback 
you have to offer.


-Original Message-
From: Burton Johnsey
Date: Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:38 PM
Subject: Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
To: hlds_a...@list.valvesoftware.com, 
Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list 
mailto:h...@list.valvesoftware.com>>, 
hlds_li...@valvesoftware.com


We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th.

After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the 
forums listed below.

Windows server discussion should be conducted here:
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source)
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc)

Linux server discussion should be conducted here:
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source)
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc)

If you have not already done so, please register a forum 
account.

NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing.

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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Oliver Salzburg]

Even though I agree fully I just wanted to note that you don't have to 
solve the captcha when registered and logged in.

Kevin J. Anderson wrote:
> The steam forums are honestly useless in finding data you need.  The 
> search is absolutely horrible... I can't read the captcha to save my 
> life, and I generally end up searching elsewhere for answers.
>
> This email list is the best way to disseminate data to server admins, 
> hands down.   I see no reason to disable it, as I see no reason that it 
> might put any kind of burden on valve at all.
>
> Kevin Anderson
>
> Wolfie - Cybernetic wrote:
>   
>> I think the danger of it going to a new list outside of valves control was
>> bad for them and us.
>>
>> I assume the thought process at valve was, shut this list down and we will
>> all participate in their forums, but if that didn't happen, which is what
>> everyone here indicated in their intentions would have done valve no favours
>> at all.
>>
>> Hopefully the lists are here to stay, but perhaps we can think a bit more
>> before posting and use the list as a tool rather than somewhere just to moan
>> and flood the list.
>>
>> It can be a lot of mail when you are a member of this and some of the
>> icculus groups as well.
>>
>> Andy
>> -Original Message-
>> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
>> [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Miano,
>> Steven M.
>> Sent: 10 February 2009 13:43
>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
>>
>> Great news that they have thought twice about dismantling this list.
>>
>> Thanks for listening Valve, and thanks for posting to the Mailing List guys.
>>
>> ~MianoSM
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Kevin J. Anderson]

The steam forums are honestly useless in finding data you need.  The 
search is absolutely horrible... I can't read the captcha to save my 
life, and I generally end up searching elsewhere for answers.

This email list is the best way to disseminate data to server admins, 
hands down.   I see no reason to disable it, as I see no reason that it 
might put any kind of burden on valve at all.

Kevin Anderson

Wolfie - Cybernetic wrote:
> I think the danger of it going to a new list outside of valves control was
> bad for them and us.
> 
> I assume the thought process at valve was, shut this list down and we will
> all participate in their forums, but if that didn't happen, which is what
> everyone here indicated in their intentions would have done valve no favours
> at all.
> 
> Hopefully the lists are here to stay, but perhaps we can think a bit more
> before posting and use the list as a tool rather than somewhere just to moan
> and flood the list.
> 
> It can be a lot of mail when you are a member of this and some of the
> icculus groups as well.
> 
> Andy
> -Original Message-
> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
> [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Miano,
> Steven M.
> Sent: 10 February 2009 13:43
> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
> 
> Great news that they have thought twice about dismantling this list.
> 
> Thanks for listening Valve, and thanks for posting to the Mailing List guys.
> 
> ~MianoSM
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Wolfie - Cybernetic]

I think the danger of it going to a new list outside of valves control was
bad for them and us.

I assume the thought process at valve was, shut this list down and we will
all participate in their forums, but if that didn't happen, which is what
everyone here indicated in their intentions would have done valve no favours
at all.

Hopefully the lists are here to stay, but perhaps we can think a bit more
before posting and use the list as a tool rather than somewhere just to moan
and flood the list.

It can be a lot of mail when you are a member of this and some of the
icculus groups as well.

Andy
-Original Message-
From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Miano,
Steven M.
Sent: 10 February 2009 13:43
To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

Great news that they have thought twice about dismantling this list.

Thanks for listening Valve, and thanks for posting to the Mailing List guys.

~MianoSM

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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Ferenc Kovacs]

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Oliver Salzburg wrote:

>
>
> Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Oliver Salzburg  >wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I think you mean a pain in the ♥♥♥.
> >>
> >> Adam Smith wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sorry I think not, The steam forums are slow searching is a pain the
> a**.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Burton Johnsey <
> bur...@valvesoftware.com
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> This should no longer be an issue as we have a vastly more robust
> system
> >>>>
> >> in
> >>
> >>>> place.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Original Message-
> >>>> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:
> >>>> hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of SakeFox
> >>>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:11 PM
> >>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
> >>>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing
> >>>>
> >> lists
> >>
> >>>> and i completely understand that, however there forums have been
> proven
> >>>> to be terrible since on any patch day or high traffic times they are
> >>>> nearly impossible to view
> >>>>
> >>>> James Gurney wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> SakeFox wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Ok, make a new mailing list then. the software is out there and
> free.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> No-one is going to join an un-official mailing list. I'd be quite
> happy
> >>>>> to host one.. as would, I'm sure, many of the admins on this list..
> but
> >>>>> at the end of the day, the fact that this is an "official" list is
> the
> >>>>> reason people are here in the first place.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> > arse?
> > Tyrael
> >
> I was merely pointing out that profanity is replaced by pink hearts on
> the valve forums...
>
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I thought it was replaced by the mailinglist software.
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Oliver Salzburg]

Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Oliver Salzburg wrote:
>
>   
>> I think you mean a pain in the ♥♥♥.
>>
>> Adam Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> Sorry I think not, The steam forums are slow searching is a pain the a**.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Burton Johnsey >> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>> This should no longer be an issue as we have a vastly more robust system
>>>> 
>> in
>> 
>>>> place.
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:
>>>> hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of SakeFox
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:11 PM
>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing
>>>> 
>> lists
>> 
>>>> and i completely understand that, however there forums have been proven
>>>> to be terrible since on any patch day or high traffic times they are
>>>> nearly impossible to view
>>>>
>>>> James Gurney wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>> SakeFox wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   
>>>>>> Ok, make a new mailing list then. the software is out there and free.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>> No-one is going to join an un-official mailing list. I'd be quite happy
>>>>> to host one.. as would, I'm sure, many of the admins on this list.. but
>>>>> at the end of the day, the fact that this is an "official" list is the
>>>>> reason people are here in the first place.
>>>>>
>>>>>   
> arse?
> Tyrael
>   
I was merely pointing out that profanity is replaced by pink hearts on 
the valve forums...

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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Miano, Steven M.]

Great news that they have thought twice about dismantling this list.

Thanks for listening Valve, and thanks for posting to the Mailing List guys.

~MianoSM

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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Patrick Shelley]

Heres my 10 cents...

1) I cant be arsed visiting another bloody website to check for updates,
report issues, et al

2) The forums at steam can get so overloaded on an update its like their
being DoS'd

3) l33t et al are just gonna piss us off with nonsense blah blah blah

4) Maybe Valve DO read this list and find an increasing amount of their time
is taken up with filtering through arguments and flames and off topic
bullshit that we're ALL guilty of from time to time.

5) Lets focus on the age old staple of Q&A only here. No shit like "shut up
fattie" or "you run cracked servers" - because with that kinda shite we
might as well be on the forums anyway. Im not pointing the finger, as i said
above we're all guilty of it at least once.

6) This is deffo the best way for admins to communicate.

7) Sorry to Valve if number 4 is true - we're all gonna try an behave now.
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Ferenc Kovacs]

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Oliver Salzburg wrote:

> I think you mean a pain in the ♥♥♥.
>
> Adam Smith wrote:
> > Sorry I think not, The steam forums are slow searching is a pain the a**.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Burton Johnsey  >wrote:
> >
> >
> >> This should no longer be an issue as we have a vastly more robust system
> in
> >> place.
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:
> >> hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of SakeFox
> >> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:11 PM
> >> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
> >> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing
> lists
> >>
> >> and i completely understand that, however there forums have been proven
> >> to be terrible since on any patch day or high traffic times they are
> >> nearly impossible to view
> >>
> >> James Gurney wrote:
> >>
> >>> SakeFox wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Ok, make a new mailing list then. the software is out there and free.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> No-one is going to join an un-official mailing list. I'd be quite happy
> >>> to host one.. as would, I'm sure, many of the admins on this list.. but
> >>> at the end of the day, the fact that this is an "official" list is the
> >>> reason people are here in the first place.
> >>>
> >>> James
> >>>
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arse?
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Oliver Salzburg]

I think you mean a pain in the ♥♥♥.

Adam Smith wrote:
> Sorry I think not, The steam forums are slow searching is a pain the a**.
>
> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Burton Johnsey 
> wrote:
>
>   
>> This should no longer be an issue as we have a vastly more robust system in
>> place.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:
>> hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of SakeFox
>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:11 PM
>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
>>
>> and i completely understand that, however there forums have been proven
>> to be terrible since on any patch day or high traffic times they are
>> nearly impossible to view
>>
>> James Gurney wrote:
>> 
>>> SakeFox wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>> Ok, make a new mailing list then. the software is out there and free.
>>>>
>>>> 
>>> No-one is going to join an un-official mailing list. I'd be quite happy
>>> to host one.. as would, I'm sure, many of the admins on this list.. but
>>> at the end of the day, the fact that this is an "official" list is the
>>> reason people are here in the first place.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Adam Smith]

Sorry I think not, The steam forums are slow searching is a pain the a**.

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Burton Johnsey wrote:

> This should no longer be an issue as we have a vastly more robust system in
> place.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:
> hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of SakeFox
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:11 PM
> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
>
> and i completely understand that, however there forums have been proven
> to be terrible since on any patch day or high traffic times they are
> nearly impossible to view
>
> James Gurney wrote:
> > SakeFox wrote:
> >
> >> Ok, make a new mailing list then. the software is out there and free.
> >>
> >
> > No-one is going to join an un-official mailing list. I'd be quite happy
> > to host one.. as would, I'm sure, many of the admins on this list.. but
> > at the end of the day, the fact that this is an "official" list is the
> > reason people are here in the first place.
> >
> > James
> >
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Marc.B]

Hi,

Just to agree with almost everyone over here... Stopping this list is the
worst idea ever.
When there is an update or a problem, we can report it here, and almost
everyone will get it if you use a forum, we will have to wait for others
to check in there.
It is also a great resource to the backend/server admin community without
having to deal with the end users.

So I would like to ask the person in charge at Valve to consider this
shutdown twice.

Cheers,

Marc
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Philip Bembridge]

What are we going to do about discovering exploits? Post them in the valve
forums? Make me laugh..
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Eric-Jan Riemers]

Well i just see that they erased the parts about removing the lists from
that page.

So they do actually listen, hurray! Thumbs up.
We can go back to normal business now..
 
Where did we stop, ow yes.. the timeout issue. I know they where working on
it (as they said on the last update in 1 of the last lines, this does not
fix the timeout bug) so they are aware.

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] Namens Kveri
Verzonden: dinsdag 10 februari 2009 8:04
Aan: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
Onderwerp: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing
lists

I noticed this too, I don't see any change at 
https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9427-OPFH-2819

Kveri

Rick Payton wrote:
> Well according to the mailing list support page linked earlier in this
> conversation, there's no longer any notice of it being shut down.
>
> Who knows now. Maybe they'll still close on the 20th, and just re-add
> the information that was removed? 
>
> mauirixxx
> -Original Message-
> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
> [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of michael
> taylor
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:05 PM
> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing
> lists
>
> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Burton Johnsey 
> wrote:
>   
>> We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February
>> 
> 20th.
>   
>> After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one 
>> of the forums listed below.
>> 
>
> I recently discovered this list while trying to figure out why trying to
> install the Linux based server was so painful. The Valve forums were
> useless to anyone experienced at running servers on Linux in general,
> but new to steam / srcds.
>
> Given the near total lack of useful, complete, and current documentation
> from Valve for their Source dedicated server, and now the further
> reduction of technical support, I guess that since I am not paid to run
> a srcds, I won't bother.
>
> Given the dismal support from Valve on supporting their customers
> running dedicated servers, it isn't worth my time to try to run a public
> or private server for Valve customers.
>
> Too bad.
>
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Chris Deegan]

I have a bridge to sell all of you.

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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Steffen Tronstad]

Sign me up for a 3rd party mailinglist then. Forum is just a waste of time.


-Opprinnelig melding-
Fra: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com 
[mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] På vegne av Burton Johnsey
Sendt: 9. februar 2009 21:41
Til: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
Emne: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th.

After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the
forums listed below.

Windows server discussion should be conducted here:
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source)
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc)

Linux server discussion should be conducted here:
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source)
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc)

If you have not already done so, please register a forum
account
.

NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing.

-Burton Johnsey
Valve Software
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Kveri]

I noticed this too, I don't see any change at 
https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9427-OPFH-2819

Kveri

Rick Payton wrote:
> Well according to the mailing list support page linked earlier in this
> conversation, there's no longer any notice of it being shut down.
>
> Who knows now. Maybe they'll still close on the 20th, and just re-add
> the information that was removed? 
>
> mauirixxx
> -Original Message-
> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
> [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of michael
> taylor
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:05 PM
> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing
> lists
>
> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Burton Johnsey 
> wrote:
>   
>> We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February
>> 
> 20th.
>   
>> After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one 
>> of the forums listed below.
>> 
>
> I recently discovered this list while trying to figure out why trying to
> install the Linux based server was so painful. The Valve forums were
> useless to anyone experienced at running servers on Linux in general,
> but new to steam / srcds.
>
> Given the near total lack of useful, complete, and current documentation
> from Valve for their Source dedicated server, and now the further
> reduction of technical support, I guess that since I am not paid to run
> a srcds, I won't bother.
>
> Given the dismal support from Valve on supporting their customers
> running dedicated servers, it isn't worth my time to try to run a public
> or private server for Valve customers.
>
> Too bad.
>
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Carl S.]

Whining and Complaining does work!


Nephyrin Zey wrote:
> Guys, the original thread in hlds (not _linux) has responses from
> bur...@valvesoftware.com. He also said that due to the tremendous
> amount of feedback, they're holding off on taking down the lists for
> the time being.
>
> - Neph
>
> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Ben  wrote:
>   
>> You're missing the second email from Burton from a valvesoftware.com
>> email address.
>>
>> Headers are exactly the same as emails you receive from Valve staff
>> direct (up until it hits the list server anyway), so very unlikely to be
>> forged.
>>
>>
>> Guy Watkins wrote:
>> 
>>> Good joke!  Haha  gmail.com  :)
>>>
>>> } -Original Message-
>>> } From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-
>>> } boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Burton Johnsey
>>> } Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:41 PM
>>> } To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
>>> } Subject: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
>>> }
>>> } We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th.
>>> }
>>> } After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of
>>> } the
>>> } forums listed below.
>>> }
>>> } Windows server discussion should be conducted here:
>>> } http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source)
>>> } http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc)
>>> }
>>> } Linux server discussion should be conducted here:
>>> } http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source)
>>> } http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc)
>>> }
>>> } If you have not already done so, please register a forum
>>> } account
>>> } .
>>> }
>>> } NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing.
>>> }
>>> } -Burton Johnsey
>>> } Valve Software
>>> }
>>>   
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Nephyrin Zey]

Guys, the original thread in hlds (not _linux) has responses from
bur...@valvesoftware.com. He also said that due to the tremendous
amount of feedback, they're holding off on taking down the lists for
the time being.

- Neph

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Ben  wrote:
> You're missing the second email from Burton from a valvesoftware.com
> email address.
>
> Headers are exactly the same as emails you receive from Valve staff
> direct (up until it hits the list server anyway), so very unlikely to be
> forged.
>
>
> Guy Watkins wrote:
>> Good joke!  Haha  gmail.com  :)
>>
>> } -Original Message-
>> } From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-
>> } boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Burton Johnsey
>> } Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:41 PM
>> } To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
>> } Subject: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
>> }
>> } We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th.
>> }
>> } After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of
>> } the
>> } forums listed below.
>> }
>> } Windows server discussion should be conducted here:
>> } http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source)
>> } http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc)
>> }
>> } Linux server discussion should be conducted here:
>> } http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source)
>> } http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc)
>> }
>> } If you have not already done so, please register a forum
>> } account
>> } .
>> }
>> } NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing.
>> }
>> } -Burton Johnsey
>> } Valve Software
>> }
>
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Ben]

You're missing the second email from Burton from a valvesoftware.com 
email address.

Headers are exactly the same as emails you receive from Valve staff 
direct (up until it hits the list server anyway), so very unlikely to be 
forged.


Guy Watkins wrote:
> Good joke!  Haha  gmail.com  :)
>
> } -Original Message-
> } From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-
> } boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Burton Johnsey
> } Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:41 PM
> } To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
> } Subject: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
> } 
> } We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th.
> } 
> } After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of
> } the
> } forums listed below.
> } 
> } Windows server discussion should be conducted here:
> } http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source)
> } http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc)
> } 
> } Linux server discussion should be conducted here:
> } http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source)
> } http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc)
> } 
> } If you have not already done so, please register a forum
> } account
> } .
> } 
> } NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing.
> } 
> } -Burton Johnsey
> } Valve Software
> } 


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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Kevin J. Anderson]

shit...

Guy Watkins wrote:
> Good joke!  Haha  gmail.com  :)
> 
> } -Original Message-
> } From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-
> } boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Burton Johnsey
> } Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:41 PM
> } To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
> } Subject: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
> } 
> } We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th.
> } 
> } After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of
> } the
> } forums listed below.
> } 
> } Windows server discussion should be conducted here:
> } http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source)
> } http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc)
> } 
> } Linux server discussion should be conducted here:
> } http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source)
> } http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc)
> } 
> } If you have not already done so, please register a forum
> } account
> } .
> } 
> } NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing.
> } 
> } -Burton Johnsey
> } Valve Software
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Guy Watkins]

Good joke!  Haha  gmail.com  :)

} -Original Message-
} From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-
} boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Burton Johnsey
} Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:41 PM
} To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
} Subject: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
} 
} We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th.
} 
} After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of
} the
} forums listed below.
} 
} Windows server discussion should be conducted here:
} http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source)
} http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc)
} 
} Linux server discussion should be conducted here:
} http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source)
} http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc)
} 
} If you have not already done so, please register a forum
} account
} .
} 
} NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing.
} 
} -Burton Johnsey
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Ryan Burke]

I would like to chime in and express my disappointment as well. I've been
following this list, like others, since the early CS 1.5 days, through the
WON shutdown, through the Steam launch, through 1.6, through Source and
now to Orange Box. The funny thing is that I don't even run a game server
anymore but still subscribe and read this list daily. It is a great
resource to the backend/server admin community without having to deal with
the end users. Even if these new forums somehow have competent moderators
or private forums for new admins it will take away from the overall
knowledge gained from this list.

I highly doubt that it is a resource issue inside of Valve since this is
not a high traffic mailing list and it may require one server to host it.
Between the network required to run Steam and the bandwidth used by Steam
this mailing list could not be that noticeable.

Personally it feels like a new manager has come in to the support side of
Valve and is attempting to standardize all support. Remove any resources
that don't "fit the mold". I sincerely hope that there is a real business
reason for shutting down this mailing list other than business politics.

I will not be following the threads to the forums. Thank you and that is all.

Ryan


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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[1nsane]

Talking of Gabe and Steampowered forums:
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=800103

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Kevin J. Anderson  wrote:

> Honestly, this is a bad idea.  Why fix what is not broken?
>
> I suggest we all email gabe protesting this.  Its not like its a huge
> cost to valve to maintain a mail list server...
>
> Kevin Anderson
>
>
> Burton Johnsey wrote:
> > This should no longer be an issue as we have a vastly more robust system
> in place.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:
> hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of SakeFox
> > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:11 PM
> > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing
> lists
> >
> > and i completely understand that, however there forums have been proven
> > to be terrible since on any patch day or high traffic times they are
> > nearly impossible to view
> >
> > James Gurney wrote:
> >> SakeFox wrote:
> >>
> >>> Ok, make a new mailing list then. the software is out there and free.
> >>>
> >> No-one is going to join an un-official mailing list. I'd be quite happy
> >> to host one.. as would, I'm sure, many of the admins on this list.. but
> >> at the end of the day, the fact that this is an "official" list is the
> >> reason people are here in the first place.
> >>
> >> James
> >>
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Tony Paloma]

Hlds_announce will still be around it looks like.

-Original Message-
From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of JäKë T
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 5:17 PM
To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists


Is there going to be a list we can at least sign up for to get emails for
updates??
I for one am not going to look around on the stupid forums much because in
the past it's been very crapy.
srcds.com  has been much more help when it comes to issues than the valve
forums.
 
I would like to be able to receive emails when there are new updates because
having to look on the forums is not very easy to do for most people, being
able to get a email on my cellphone and know there is an update makes life a
lot better for me.
> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:07:24 -0800> From: nephy...@doublezen.net> To:
hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important
notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists> > Valve seems to think that as long
as there are always servers they> shouldn't waste their time. They don't
seem to understand that quality> servers and their associated gaming
communities pull people into the> game and keep them there. How many CSS
players are in a clan and> regularly participate in their own little gaming
community?> > - Neph> > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 5:05 PM, michael taylor
 wrote:> > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Burton Johnsey
 wrote:> >> We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing
lists on Friday, February 20th.> >>> >> After February 20th, all server
discussions should take place in one of the> >> forums listed below.> >> > I
recently discovered this list while trying to figure out why trying> > to
install the Linux based server was so painful. The Valve forums> > were
useless to anyone experienced at running servers on Linux in> > general, but
new to steam / srcds.> >> > Given the near total lack of useful, complete,
and current> > documentation from Valve for their Source dedicated server,
and now> > the further reduction of technical support, I guess that since I
am> > not paid to run a srcds, I won't bother.> >> > Given the dismal
support from Valve on supporting their customers> > running dedicated
servers, it isn't worth my time to try to run a> > public or private server
for Valve customers.> >> > Too bad.> >> >
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http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> >> >
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[JäKë T]

Is there going to be a list we can at least sign up for to get emails for 
updates??
I for one am not going to look around on the stupid forums much because in the 
past it's been very crapy.
srcds.com  has been much more help when it comes to issues than the valve 
forums.
 
I would like to be able to receive emails when there are new updates because 
having to look on the forums is not very easy to do for most people, being able 
to get a email on my cellphone and know there is an update makes life a lot 
better for me.
> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:07:24 -0800> From: nephy...@doublezen.net> To: 
> hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice 
> regarding the HLDS mailing lists> > Valve seems to think that as long as 
> there are always servers they> shouldn't waste their time. They don't seem to 
> understand that quality> servers and their associated gaming communities pull 
> people into the> game and keep them there. How many CSS players are in a clan 
> and> regularly participate in their own little gaming community?> > - Neph> > 
> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 5:05 PM, michael taylor  wrote:> > 
> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Burton Johnsey  wrote:> 
> >> We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th.> 
> >>> >> After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one 
> of the> >> forums listed below.> >> > I recently discovered this list while 
> trying to figure out why trying> > to install the Linux based server was so 
> painful. The Valve forums> > were useless to anyone experienced at running 
> servers on Linux in> > general, but new to steam / srcds.> >> > Given the 
> near total lack of useful, complete, and current> > documentation from Valve 
> for their Source dedicated server, and now> > the further reduction of 
> technical support, I guess that since I am> > not paid to run a srcds, I 
> won't bother.> >> > Given the dismal support from Valve on supporting their 
> customers> > running dedicated servers, it isn't worth my time to try to run 
> a> > public or private server for Valve customers.> >> > Too bad.> >> > 
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Rick Payton]

Well according to the mailing list support page linked earlier in this
conversation, there's no longer any notice of it being shut down.

Who knows now. Maybe they'll still close on the 20th, and just re-add
the information that was removed? 

mauirixxx
-Original Message-
From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of michael
taylor
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:05 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing
lists

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Burton Johnsey 
wrote:
> We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February
20th.
>
> After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one 
> of the forums listed below.

I recently discovered this list while trying to figure out why trying to
install the Linux based server was so painful. The Valve forums were
useless to anyone experienced at running servers on Linux in general,
but new to steam / srcds.

Given the near total lack of useful, complete, and current documentation
from Valve for their Source dedicated server, and now the further
reduction of technical support, I guess that since I am not paid to run
a srcds, I won't bother.

Given the dismal support from Valve on supporting their customers
running dedicated servers, it isn't worth my time to try to run a public
or private server for Valve customers.

Too bad.

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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Nephyrin Zey]

Valve seems to think that as long as there are always servers they
shouldn't waste their time. They don't seem to understand that quality
servers and their associated gaming communities pull people into the
game and keep them there. How many CSS players are in a clan and
regularly participate in their own little gaming community?

- Neph

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 5:05 PM, michael taylor  wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Burton Johnsey  wrote:
>> We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th.
>>
>> After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the
>> forums listed below.
>
> I recently discovered this list while trying to figure out why trying
> to install the Linux based server was so painful. The Valve forums
> were useless to anyone experienced at running servers on Linux in
> general, but new to steam / srcds.
>
> Given the near total lack of useful, complete, and current
> documentation from Valve for their Source dedicated server, and now
> the further reduction of technical support, I guess that since I am
> not paid to run a srcds, I won't bother.
>
> Given the dismal support from Valve on supporting their customers
> running dedicated servers, it isn't worth my time to try to run a
> public or private server for Valve customers.
>
> Too bad.
>
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[michael taylor]

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Burton Johnsey  wrote:
> We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th.
>
> After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the
> forums listed below.

I recently discovered this list while trying to figure out why trying
to install the Linux based server was so painful. The Valve forums
were useless to anyone experienced at running servers on Linux in
general, but new to steam / srcds.

Given the near total lack of useful, complete, and current
documentation from Valve for their Source dedicated server, and now
the further reduction of technical support, I guess that since I am
not paid to run a srcds, I won't bother.

Given the dismal support from Valve on supporting their customers
running dedicated servers, it isn't worth my time to try to run a
public or private server for Valve customers.

Too bad.

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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Ben]

I agree. 

Forums are not very conducive to this type of discussion at all, 
especially given that the user base of the forums is shared amongst 
those who are players of the game and have no idea about the servers 
(and no doubt will interject with random, pointless commentary).  This 
mailing list also brings news and updates out far quicker by pushing the 
stuff to users, rather than having to go and check out forums.

I seriously doubt that the interaction that occurs on this mailing list 
with Valve staff will continue on the forums.  Sure, I guess you can 
have certain Valve employees checking it out, but are we going to see 
Alfred, Chris, Eric, Jason, Milton and the other Valve staff that have 
recently contributed information to this mailing list where necessary on 
the forums as well?  For example the discussions with Chris and Milton 
in regards to some of the things involving Left 4 Dead dedicated servers 
when the game was originally released were very useful, especially given 
that it provided some good two-way discussion and feedback.  These sort 
of discussions simply won't happen on the forums I bet.

I'm not going to regularly check the forums as it simply takes too much 
time.  I use mailing lists and RSS to bring stuff to me, rather than 
having to go out and visit a heap of sites daily.


Shawn Zipay wrote:
> So, instead of keeping news of new exploits and fixes for said exploits
> "relatively" private on this list, you want to move everything to a very
> visible, public forum.  The Steam forums, no less.  With the type of
> "typical" visitor there, I'd rather this mailing list was kept as is.  Even
> with the most annoying HLDS member there may be, they'd pale in comparison
> to the total junk you experience on those forums.
>
>
> This is a horrible idea.  There was instant feedback from like minded
> individuals here.  The update notifications and "yes we know" feedback from
> Valve was also an invaluable resource.  That's something I really do not see
> as continuing in a forum environment.
>
> Shawn P. Zipay
> Site Director
>
> Total Gaming Network -- http://www.totalgamingnetwork.com
> MyInternetServices -- http://www.myinternetservices.com
> CS-Nation -- http://www.csnation.net
>
>
> 
>   


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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Ryan Devonshire]

I believe Valve should receive an award for making life difficult; for 
all of us - both players and businesses.

Imre Facchin wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> i havent been around for too long, but: this is the single usefull
> source for information about you servers.
>
> valve doesn`t write any documentation at all.
>
> so people help themselves and share what they gathered about your
> servers...
>
> and now you shut the list down??? this is a bit crazy.
>
>
>   
>> This is absolutely ridiculous.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Crazy Canucks 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Is the forums search feature actually working now?  Until I finally gave
>>> up the search engine never worked properly on the forums because the
>>> search database had been corrupted at some point and never rebuilt.  So
>>> the forums were essentially useless in my opinion.
>>>
>>> Has this changed?
>>>
>>> Cc2iscooL wrote:
>>>   
>>>> The Steam forums timeout more than our servers do. ;)
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Ronny Schedel 
>>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>   
>>>>> How can we discuss about serious server bugs like timeouts and server
>>>>>   
>>> lags?
>>>   
>>>>> In the Steam forums??? You can't be serious.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to see the new robust system, when can we have a look? Do
>>>>>   
>>> you
>>>   
>>>>> plan to check the age of server administrators, so all the kids from the
>>>>> current Steam forums cannot post in the serious server forums?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   
>>>>>> This should no longer be an issue as we have a vastly more robust
>>>>>> 
>>> system
>>>   
>>>>>> in place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
>>>>>> [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> 
>>> SakeFox
>>>   
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:11 PM
>>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing
>>>>>> lists
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and i completely understand that, however there forums have been proven
>>>>>> to be terrible since on any patch day or high traffic times they are
>>>>>> nearly impossible to view
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James Gurney wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> SakeFox wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>> Ok, make a new mailing list then. the software is out there and free.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> No-one is going to join an un-official mailing list. I'd be quite
>>>>>>>   
>>> happy
>>>   
>>>>>>> to host one.. as would, I'm sure, many of the admins on this list..
>>>>>>>   
>>> but
>>>   
>>>>>>> at the end of the day, the fact that this is an "official" list is the
>>>>>>> reason people are here in the first place.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>

Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Kevin J. Anderson]

Honestly, this is a bad idea.  Why fix what is not broken?

I suggest we all email gabe protesting this.  Its not like its a huge 
cost to valve to maintain a mail list server...

Kevin Anderson


Burton Johnsey wrote:
> This should no longer be an issue as we have a vastly more robust system in 
> place.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com 
> [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of SakeFox
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:11 PM
> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
> 
> and i completely understand that, however there forums have been proven
> to be terrible since on any patch day or high traffic times they are
> nearly impossible to view
> 
> James Gurney wrote:
>> SakeFox wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, make a new mailing list then. the software is out there and free.
>>>
>> No-one is going to join an un-official mailing list. I'd be quite happy
>> to host one.. as would, I'm sure, many of the admins on this list.. but
>> at the end of the day, the fact that this is an "official" list is the
>> reason people are here in the first place.
>>
>> James
>>
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Per Kristiansen]

I hope this is a fake..but if not:

Heh..well..now atleast they will have valid reason not to listen anyways :)

it's not like they've been falling over themselves answering here lately.

As alot of other Game companies that built on the shoulders of voulenteers
Valve have finally buckled down and started listening to Laywers and accountants

Any free flow of information must be shacklede and passed through upper 
managment

And their upmost thoughts are to avoid any negativity that might influence the 
stock prices etc. But I thought Valve wasn't a publicly traded company so they
should get hit with stupid SEC requirements etc.

hmm..I think I'm a little bitter :)..but oh well..it makes it just so much 
easier to shut down my remaining servers, well..the ones that work that is :)

Since TF2 refuses to work and all the workarounds I've found have given me nada.

I'll leave my L4D servers up as long as my co-workers play on them..or Valve
breaks that too..

It's been a LOT of fun over the years, if anyone is visiting Oslo, Norway 
sometime, 
drop me an email and we'll have a beer or two for the list.

-- 
Per Kristiansen
p...@gathering.org


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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Shawn Zipay]

So, instead of keeping news of new exploits and fixes for said exploits
"relatively" private on this list, you want to move everything to a very
visible, public forum.  The Steam forums, no less.  With the type of
"typical" visitor there, I'd rather this mailing list was kept as is.  Even
with the most annoying HLDS member there may be, they'd pale in comparison
to the total junk you experience on those forums.


This is a horrible idea.  There was instant feedback from like minded
individuals here.  The update notifications and "yes we know" feedback from
Valve was also an invaluable resource.  That's something I really do not see
as continuing in a forum environment.

Shawn P. Zipay
Site Director

Total Gaming Network -- http://www.totalgamingnetwork.com
MyInternetServices -- http://www.myinternetservices.com
CS-Nation -- http://www.csnation.net


On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 6:15 PM, bob dolet  wrote:

> This is absolutely ridiculous.
>
> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Crazy Canucks  >wrote:
>
> > Is the forums search feature actually working now?  Until I finally gave
> > up the search engine never worked properly on the forums because the
> > search database had been corrupted at some point and never rebuilt.  So
> > the forums were essentially useless in my opinion.
> >
> > Has this changed?
> >
> > Cc2iscooL wrote:
> > > The Steam forums timeout more than our servers do. ;)
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Ronny Schedel 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> How can we discuss about serious server bugs like timeouts and server
> > lags?
> > >> In the Steam forums??? You can't be serious.
> > >>
> > >> I would like to see the new robust system, when can we have a look? Do
> > you
> > >> plan to check the age of server administrators, so all the kids from
> the
> > >> current Steam forums cannot post in the serious server forums?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> This should no longer be an issue as we have a vastly more robust
> > system
> > >>> in place.
> > >>>
> > >>> -Original Message-
> > >>> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
> > >>> [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of
> > SakeFox
> > >>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:11 PM
> > >>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
> > >>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing
> > >>> lists
> > >>>
> > >>> and i completely understand that, however there forums have been
> proven
> > >>> to be terrible since on any patch day or high traffic times they are
> > >>> nearly impossible to view
> > >>>
> > >>> James Gurney wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> SakeFox wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Ok, make a new mailing list then. the software is out there and
> free.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> No-one is going to join an un-official mailing list. I'd be quite
> > happy
> > >>>> to host one.. as would, I'm sure, many of the admins on this list..
> > but
> > >>>> at the end of the day, the fact that this is an "official" list is
> the
> > >>>> reason people are here in the first place.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> James
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ___
> > >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list
> archives,
> > >>>> please visit:
> > >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>> ___
> > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list
> archives,
> > >>> please visit:
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> > >>>
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> > >>> please visit:
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> > >>>
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Imre Facchin]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

i havent been around for too long, but: this is the single usefull
source for information about you servers.

valve doesn`t write any documentation at all.

so people help themselves and share what they gathered about your
servers...

and now you shut the list down??? this is a bit crazy.


> This is absolutely ridiculous.
> 
> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Crazy Canucks wrote:
> 
>> Is the forums search feature actually working now?  Until I finally gave
>> up the search engine never worked properly on the forums because the
>> search database had been corrupted at some point and never rebuilt.  So
>> the forums were essentially useless in my opinion.
>>
>> Has this changed?
>>
>> Cc2iscooL wrote:
>>> The Steam forums timeout more than our servers do. ;)
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Ronny Schedel 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How can we discuss about serious server bugs like timeouts and server
>> lags?
>>>> In the Steam forums??? You can't be serious.
>>>>
>>>> I would like to see the new robust system, when can we have a look? Do
>> you
>>>> plan to check the age of server administrators, so all the kids from the
>>>> current Steam forums cannot post in the serious server forums?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> This should no longer be an issue as we have a vastly more robust
>> system
>>>>> in place.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
>>>>> [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of
>> SakeFox
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:11 PM
>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing
>>>>> lists
>>>>>
>>>>> and i completely understand that, however there forums have been proven
>>>>> to be terrible since on any patch day or high traffic times they are
>>>>> nearly impossible to view
>>>>>
>>>>> James Gurney wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> SakeFox wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ok, make a new mailing list then. the software is out there and free.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> No-one is going to join an un-official mailing list. I'd be quite
>> happy
>>>>>> to host one.. as would, I'm sure, many of the admins on this list..
>> but
>>>>>> at the end of the day, the fact that this is an "official" list is the
>>>>>> reason people are here in the first place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ___
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>>>>>> please visit:
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> ___
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>>>>> please visit:
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>>>>>
>>>>> ___
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>>>>> please visit:
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[bob dolet]

This is absolutely ridiculous.

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Crazy Canucks wrote:

> Is the forums search feature actually working now?  Until I finally gave
> up the search engine never worked properly on the forums because the
> search database had been corrupted at some point and never rebuilt.  So
> the forums were essentially useless in my opinion.
>
> Has this changed?
>
> Cc2iscooL wrote:
> > The Steam forums timeout more than our servers do. ;)
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Ronny Schedel 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> How can we discuss about serious server bugs like timeouts and server
> lags?
> >> In the Steam forums??? You can't be serious.
> >>
> >> I would like to see the new robust system, when can we have a look? Do
> you
> >> plan to check the age of server administrators, so all the kids from the
> >> current Steam forums cannot post in the serious server forums?
> >>
> >>
> >>> This should no longer be an issue as we have a vastly more robust
> system
> >>> in place.
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
> >>> [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of
> SakeFox
> >>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:11 PM
> >>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
> >>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing
> >>> lists
> >>>
> >>> and i completely understand that, however there forums have been proven
> >>> to be terrible since on any patch day or high traffic times they are
> >>> nearly impossible to view
> >>>
> >>> James Gurney wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> SakeFox wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Ok, make a new mailing list then. the software is out there and free.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> No-one is going to join an un-official mailing list. I'd be quite
> happy
> >>>> to host one.. as would, I'm sure, many of the admins on this list..
> but
> >>>> at the end of the day, the fact that this is an "official" list is the
> >>>> reason people are here in the first place.
> >>>>
> >>>> James
> >>>>
> >>>> ___
> >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives,
> >>>> please visit:
> >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>> please visit:
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> >>>
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> >>>
> >>>
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> >>
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> >
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Crazy Canucks]

Is the forums search feature actually working now?  Until I finally gave 
up the search engine never worked properly on the forums because the 
search database had been corrupted at some point and never rebuilt.  So 
the forums were essentially useless in my opinion.

Has this changed?

Cc2iscooL wrote:
> The Steam forums timeout more than our servers do. ;)
>
> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Ronny Schedel  wrote:
>
>   
>> How can we discuss about serious server bugs like timeouts and server lags?
>> In the Steam forums??? You can't be serious.
>>
>> I would like to see the new robust system, when can we have a look? Do you
>> plan to check the age of server administrators, so all the kids from the
>> current Steam forums cannot post in the serious server forums?
>>
>> 
>>> This should no longer be an issue as we have a vastly more robust system
>>> in place.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
>>> [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of SakeFox
>>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:11 PM
>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing
>>> lists
>>>
>>> and i completely understand that, however there forums have been proven
>>> to be terrible since on any patch day or high traffic times they are
>>> nearly impossible to view
>>>
>>> James Gurney wrote:
>>>   
>>>> SakeFox wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>> Ok, make a new mailing list then. the software is out there and free.
>>>>>
>>>>>   
>>>> No-one is going to join an un-official mailing list. I'd be quite happy
>>>> to host one.. as would, I'm sure, many of the admins on this list.. but
>>>> at the end of the day, the fact that this is an "official" list is the
>>>> reason people are here in the first place.
>>>>
>>>> James
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Oliver Salzburg]

What self-respecting linux server admin would trade in a mailing list 
for a web forum?
This move makes absolutly no sense at all.

Burton Johnsey wrote:
> We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th.
>
> After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the
> forums listed below.
>
> Windows server discussion should be conducted here:
> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source)
> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc)
>
> Linux server discussion should be conducted here:
> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source)
> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc)
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Eric-Jan Riemers]

@valve: if you got any spirit left, just tell us why you want this change
while so much people are against it. Its like you got a mother in coma, some
docter comes in and pulls the plug without notice, and you say wtf did you
just do? And he walks out saying nothing. 

Next step is I presume posting on the forum, that you are going to drop
Linux support.. out of the blue too.

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] Namens Burton Johnsey
Verzonden: maandag 9 februari 2009 21:41
Aan: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
Onderwerp: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th.

After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the
forums listed below.

Windows server discussion should be conducted here:
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source)
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc)

Linux server discussion should be conducted here:
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source)
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc)

If you have not already done so, please register a forum
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Miano, Steven M.]

Huge disappointment for me.

One of the few mailing lists that I thought was actively worthwhile so far as 
reading and learning from.

The forums are terrible, and not exactly the preferred method for most admins 
(losing the ability to have rules for the "required updates", or updates to the 
servers in general).

It'll be missed.

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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Michael Trewartha]

I hope they atelast keep HLDS_Announce - I honestly cannot be bothered 
reading a forum daily to find out if there has been server updates - 
stupidest idea ever.

Zuko wrote:
> They shutdown another place which they cannot moderate... forum moderators
> delete posts and ban users that they are not 'like'...
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Philipp Reddigau]

I think that we can gain a little manager team.
They can post in forums or mail to valve for bug issues.
If we have to post in a forum i would say that 50% of good members will 
be lost.
because they have not the time to post in a realy slow forum @ valve.
some countrys, like china have no chance to post anything in it.

best regards

Ronny Schedel schrieb:
> You separate yourself with a private mailing list. Okay, you can discuss 
> about new server bugs in new releases, but then? Someone has to contact 
> Valve to fix the bugs. Who will do this?
>
>
>   
>> Maybe we have a chance to gain much people in a google group:
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/dedicated-hlds_linux
>>
>> Why that?
>> I think we need a list such this. A Forum is not a good idea... Many
>> many Kids will be their an no one will hve a look at it.
>>
>> So feel free to join.
>>
>> best regards,
>> Philipp
>>
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Zuko]

Valve employees typically do not answer in subjects with serious cases. (@
forums)


2009/2/9 Ronny Schedel 

>
> You separate yourself with a private mailing list. Okay, you can discuss
> about new server bugs in new releases, but then? Someone has to contact
> Valve to fix the bugs. Who will do this?
>
>
> > Maybe we have a chance to gain much people in a google group:
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/dedicated-hlds_linux
> >
> > Why that?
> > I think we need a list such this. A Forum is not a good idea... Many
> > many Kids will be their an no one will hve a look at it.
> >
> > So feel free to join.
> >
> > best regards,
> > Philipp
> >
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[ics]

I dont know how others think of this but i personally would say that 
they have grown too big company to require our help. They dont seem to 
want us to help. This closure of lists is a clear sign.

-ics

Ronny Schedel kirjoitti:
> You separate yourself with a private mailing list. Okay, you can discuss 
> about new server bugs in new releases, but then? Someone has to contact 
> Valve to fix the bugs. Who will do this?
>
>
>   
>> Maybe we have a chance to gain much people in a google group:
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/dedicated-hlds_linux
>>
>> Why that?
>> I think we need a list such this. A Forum is not a good idea... Many
>> many Kids will be their an no one will hve a look at it.
>>
>> So feel free to join.
>>
>> best regards,
>> Philipp
>>
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Zuko]

They shutdown another place which they cannot moderate... forum moderators
delete posts and ban users that they are not 'like'...
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Ronny Schedel]

You separate yourself with a private mailing list. Okay, you can discuss 
about new server bugs in new releases, but then? Someone has to contact 
Valve to fix the bugs. Who will do this?


> Maybe we have a chance to gain much people in a google group:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/dedicated-hlds_linux
>
> Why that?
> I think we need a list such this. A Forum is not a good idea... Many
> many Kids will be their an no one will hve a look at it.
>
> So feel free to join.
>
> best regards,
> Philipp
>
>
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Ronny Schedel]

The main problems besides the 13 year old kids are:

1. Steam forum volunteers (moderators) have no skill or knowledge at all, 
this leads to alot of deleted threads.
2. Valve employees do not read or answer in the Steam forums, so no feedback 
at all.

This means we will have to send our problems to the Valve employees directly 
instead to the mailing list. I don't know if Valve wants this, but it seems 
so.


> So the forums will be what we make of them.  If we all migrate our
> useful feedback and ideas to the forums perhaps they will work.  The
> fear of 13 year old whiners is still there though.  I am not afraid of
> change; but I haven't seen Valve roll out any product or service
> without a few weeks of fail afterwards.  We'll see where we end up, I
> guess we start idling in IRC now ...
>
> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Philipp Reddigau  
> wrote:
>> Very bad idea -.-
>>
>> Burton Johnsey schrieb:
>>> We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 
>>> 20th.
>>>
>>> After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of 
>>> the
>>> forums listed below.
>>>
>>> Windows server discussion should be conducted here:
>>> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source)
>>> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc)
>>>
>>> Linux server discussion should be conducted here:
>>> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source)
>>> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc)
>>>
>>> If you have not already done so, please register a forum
>>> account
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>>>
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>>>
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Philipp Reddigau]

Maybe we have a chance to gain much people in a google group:

http://groups.google.com/group/dedicated-hlds_linux

Why that?
I think we need a list such this. A Forum is not a good idea... Many 
many Kids will be their an no one will hve a look at it.

So feel free to join.

best regards,
Philipp


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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Chris]

So the forums will be what we make of them.  If we all migrate our
useful feedback and ideas to the forums perhaps they will work.  The
fear of 13 year old whiners is still there though.  I am not afraid of
change; but I haven't seen Valve roll out any product or service
without a few weeks of fail afterwards.  We'll see where we end up, I
guess we start idling in IRC now ...

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Philipp Reddigau  wrote:
> Very bad idea -.-
>
> Burton Johnsey schrieb:
>> We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th.
>>
>> After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the
>> forums listed below.
>>
>> Windows server discussion should be conducted here:
>> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source)
>> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc)
>>
>> Linux server discussion should be conducted here:
>> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source)
>> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc)
>>
>> If you have not already done so, please register a forum
>> account
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>>
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Andras Barna]

can't believe man

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Philipp Reddigau  wrote:
> Very bad idea -.-
>
> Burton Johnsey schrieb:
>> We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th.
>>
>> After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the
>> forums listed below.
>>
>> Windows server discussion should be conducted here:
>> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source)
>> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc)
>>
>> Linux server discussion should be conducted here:
>> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source)
>> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc)
>>
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>> account
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>>
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Cc2iscooL]

The Steam forums timeout more than our servers do. ;)

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Ronny Schedel  wrote:

>
> How can we discuss about serious server bugs like timeouts and server lags?
> In the Steam forums??? You can't be serious.
>
> I would like to see the new robust system, when can we have a look? Do you
> plan to check the age of server administrators, so all the kids from the
> current Steam forums cannot post in the serious server forums?
>
> > This should no longer be an issue as we have a vastly more robust system
> > in place.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
> > [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of SakeFox
> > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:11 PM
> > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing
> > lists
> >
> > and i completely understand that, however there forums have been proven
> > to be terrible since on any patch day or high traffic times they are
> > nearly impossible to view
> >
> > James Gurney wrote:
> >> SakeFox wrote:
> >>
> >>> Ok, make a new mailing list then. the software is out there and free.
> >>>
> >>
> >> No-one is going to join an un-official mailing list. I'd be quite happy
> >> to host one.. as would, I'm sure, many of the admins on this list.. but
> >> at the end of the day, the fact that this is an "official" list is the
> >> reason people are here in the first place.
> >>
> >> James
> >>
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Philipp Reddigau]

Very bad idea -.-

Burton Johnsey schrieb:
> We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th.
>
> After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the
> forums listed below.
>
> Windows server discussion should be conducted here:
> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source)
> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc)
>
> Linux server discussion should be conducted here:
> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source)
> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc)
>
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> account
> .
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> NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing.
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Ronny Schedel]

How can we discuss about serious server bugs like timeouts and server lags? 
In the Steam forums??? You can't be serious.

I would like to see the new robust system, when can we have a look? Do you 
plan to check the age of server administrators, so all the kids from the 
current Steam forums cannot post in the serious server forums?

> This should no longer be an issue as we have a vastly more robust system 
> in place.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com 
> [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of SakeFox
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:11 PM
> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing 
> lists
>
> and i completely understand that, however there forums have been proven
> to be terrible since on any patch day or high traffic times they are
> nearly impossible to view
>
> James Gurney wrote:
>> SakeFox wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, make a new mailing list then. the software is out there and free.
>>>
>>
>> No-one is going to join an un-official mailing list. I'd be quite happy
>> to host one.. as would, I'm sure, many of the admins on this list.. but
>> at the end of the day, the fact that this is an "official" list is the
>> reason people are here in the first place.
>>
>> James
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Steven Sumichrast]

Wow... Good job Valve.  This list has been incredibly useful to me --
and as others have said, I hate dealing with the forums...  The fact
that these lists don't have every single 13 year old posting here
makes them incredibly useful... rarely have I had to skim through
content to find an answer.

I guess valve just wants to squish out all the admins that run their
games (I run 10 L4D servers at a cost to me -- I charge nobody... I
run TF2 servers at no cost to anyone, I front the bill.. and now they
want to remove more of our support channels.)

Talk about really rubbing the wrong way...



On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Rick Payton  wrote:
> There is an IRC channel that's been fairly active for awhile now, on 
> gamesurge at least. It's not official from Valve, but there's definitely some 
> knowledgable people in there that will answer just about any question 
> quickly. You may get a side order of sarcasm with the valid answer, but it's 
> done out of ... Love.
>
> mauirixxx
> -Original Message-
> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com 
> [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of JäKë T
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 11:25 AM
> To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
>
>
> Well, I was thinking the same thing, then Burton Johnsey   posted from their 
> valve account.
> If you ask me their retarded if this happens.
> Forums are just filled with stupid kids and it's going to be more of a pain 
> for all of us.
>
> I think this system works great,
> Maybe they just want to stop people from posting their ideas...
> Thats the only thing I could see them doing here changing to forums, next 
> thing you know some people will be magicly banned from the forums. :) Maybe a 
> irc channel setup could be a good way for server admins to know when an 
> update is out.> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:18:01 -0600> From: 
> the.autoly...@gmail.com> To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> Subject: Re: 
> [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists> > I assume 
> this isn't real.> > -Burton Johnsey> Valve Software> > From a gmail account? 
> Can anyone confirm the validity of this post?> > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:08 
> PM, Walton Hoops  wrote:> > Third. Please reconsider 
> Valve. I find this list MUCH more useful than> > forums.> >> > -Original 
> Message-> > From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com> > 
> [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Florian> > 
> Zschocke> > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 2:01 PM> > To: Half-Life 
> dedicated Linux server mailing list> > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important 
> notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists> >> > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:51 PM, 
> James Gurney > > wrote:> >> :> >> Maybe I'm old 
> fashioned, but I find mailing lists far superior for the> >> sort of topics 
> discussed here. The signal/noise ratio is drastically> >> higher than a 
> forum. It's delivered to my mailbox, so it's not yet> >> another site I have 
> to check every half hour to see what's happening,> >> it's not cluttered with 
> irrelevant graphics. I can easily filter out the> >> useful information and 
> save it in a folder for future reference, etc.> > etc..> >> > Second.> >> >> 
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Pawel]

ok :)

I don't know that he is writing from gmail :)

2009/2/9 Cc2iscooL 

> Unfortunately it's not fake, the official KB lists it.
>
> 2009/2/9 Pawel 
>
> > IT IS FAKE SEND FROM sp.tonj...@gmail.com
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:11 PM, SakeFox 
> wrote:
> >
> > > and i completely understand that, however there forums have been proven
> > > to be terrible since on any patch day or high traffic times they are
> > > nearly impossible to view
> > >
> > > James Gurney wrote:
> > > > SakeFox wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Ok, make a new mailing list then. the software is out there and
> free.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > No-one is going to join an un-official mailing list. I'd be quite
> happy
> > > > to host one.. as would, I'm sure, many of the admins on this list..
> but
> > > > at the end of the day, the fact that this is an "official" list is
> the
> > > > reason people are here in the first place.
> > > >
> > > > James
> > > >
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Cc2iscooL]

There is an IRC channel.

irc.gamesurge.net #hlserveradmins

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:25 PM, JäKë T  wrote:

>
> Well, I was thinking the same thing, then Burton Johnsey   posted from
> their valve account.
> If you ask me their retarded if this happens.
> Forums are just filled with stupid kids and it's going to be more of a pain
> for all of us.
>
> I think this system works great,
> Maybe they just want to stop people from posting their ideas...
> Thats the only thing I could see them doing here changing to forums, next
> thing you know some people will be magicly banned from the forums. :)
> Maybe a irc channel setup could be a good way for server admins to know
> when an update is out.> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:18:01 -0600> From:
> the.autoly...@gmail.com> To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> Subject:
> Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists> > I
> assume this isn't real.> > -Burton Johnsey> Valve Software> > From a gmail
> account? Can anyone confirm the validity of this post?> > On Mon, Feb 9,
> 2009 at 3:08 PM, Walton Hoops  wrote:> > Third.
> Please reconsider Valve. I find this list MUCH more useful than> > forums.>
> >> > -Original Message-> > From:
> hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com> > [mailto:
> hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Florian> >
> Zschocke> > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 2:01 PM> > To: Half-Life
> dedicated Linux server mailing list> > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important
> notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists> >> > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:51
> PM, James Gurney > > wrote:> >> :> >> Maybe I'm
> old fashioned, but I find mailing lists far superior for the> >> sort of
> topics discussed here. The signal/noise ratio is drastically> >> higher than
> a forum. It's delivered to my mailbox, so it's not yet> >> another site I
> have to check every half hour to see what's happening,> >> it's not
> cluttered with irrelevant graphics. I can easily filter out the> >> useful
> information and save it in a folder for future reference, etc.> > etc..> >>
> > Second.> >> >> >> > ___> > To
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[AFAdmin]

I would feel a lot more comfortable with this if Valve employees 
regularly posted in the forums :/


Rick Payton wrote:
> Sorry, NOT fake. 
>
> I wish it was though.
>
> mauirixxx
> -Original Message-
> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com 
> [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Pawel
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 11:20 AM
> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
>
> IT IS FAKE SEND FROM sp.tonj...@gmail.com
>
> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:11 PM, SakeFox  wrote:
>
>   
>> and i completely understand that, however there forums have been 
>> proven to be terrible since on any patch day or high traffic times 
>> they are nearly impossible to view
>>
>> James Gurney wrote:
>> 
>>> SakeFox wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>> Ok, make a new mailing list then. the software is out there and free.
>>>>
>>>> 
>>> No-one is going to join an un-official mailing list. I'd be quite 
>>> happy to host one.. as would, I'm sure, many of the admins on this 
>>> list.. but at the end of the day, the fact that this is an 
>>> "official" list is the reason people are here in the first place.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> ___
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>>> archives,
>>>   
>> please visit:
>> 
>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
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>> 
>
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Rick Payton]

There is an IRC channel that's been fairly active for awhile now, on gamesurge 
at least. It's not official from Valve, but there's definitely some 
knowledgable people in there that will answer just about any question quickly. 
You may get a side order of sarcasm with the valid answer, but it's done out of 
... Love.

mauirixxx
-Original Message-
From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com 
[mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of JäKë T
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 11:25 AM
To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists


Well, I was thinking the same thing, then Burton Johnsey   posted from their 
valve account.
If you ask me their retarded if this happens.
Forums are just filled with stupid kids and it's going to be more of a pain for 
all of us.
 
I think this system works great,
Maybe they just want to stop people from posting their ideas...
Thats the only thing I could see them doing here changing to forums, next thing 
you know some people will be magicly banned from the forums. :) Maybe a irc 
channel setup could be a good way for server admins to know when an update is 
out.> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:18:01 -0600> From: the.autoly...@gmail.com> To: 
hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice 
regarding the HLDS mailing lists> > I assume this isn't real.> > -Burton 
Johnsey> Valve Software> > From a gmail account? Can anyone confirm the 
validity of this post?> > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Walton Hoops 
 wrote:> > Third. Please reconsider Valve. I find this 
list MUCH more useful than> > forums.> >> > -Original Message-> > From: 
hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com> > 
[mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Florian> > 
Zschocke> > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 2:01 PM> > To: Half-Life dedicated 
Linux server mailing list> > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice 
regarding the HLDS mailing lists> >> > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:51 PM, James 
Gurney > > wrote:> >> :> >> Maybe I'm old fashioned, 
but I find mailing lists far superior for the> >> sort of topics discussed 
here. The signal/noise ratio is drastically> >> higher than a forum. It's 
delivered to my mailbox, so it's not yet> >> another site I have to check every 
half hour to see what's happening,> >> it's not cluttered with irrelevant 
graphics. I can easily filter out the> >> useful information and save it in a 
folder for future reference, etc.> > etc..> >> > Second.> >> >> >> > 
___> > To unsubscribe, edit your 
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http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> >> >> > 
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Cc2iscooL]

Unfortunately it's not fake, the official KB lists it.

2009/2/9 Pawel 

> IT IS FAKE SEND FROM sp.tonj...@gmail.com
>
> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:11 PM, SakeFox  wrote:
>
> > and i completely understand that, however there forums have been proven
> > to be terrible since on any patch day or high traffic times they are
> > nearly impossible to view
> >
> > James Gurney wrote:
> > > SakeFox wrote:
> > >
> > >> Ok, make a new mailing list then. the software is out there and free.
> > >>
> > >
> > > No-one is going to join an un-official mailing list. I'd be quite happy
> > > to host one.. as would, I'm sure, many of the admins on this list.. but
> > > at the end of the day, the fact that this is an "official" list is the
> > > reason people are here in the first place.
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > > ___
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> > please visit:
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> > >
> > >
> > >
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>
>
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[AnAkIn .]

Yes this is real. BurtonJ always post here with his gmail account. And just
look at the Steam support link he posted:
https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9427-OPFH-2819

2009/2/9 James Gurney 

> That, and they are (were) listed as the official lists on the website,
> and they're read/posted to by Valve employees.
>
> AFAdmin wrote:
> > By official, you mean they have the list.valvesoftware.com domain?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > James Gurney wrote:
> >> SakeFox wrote:
> >>
> >>> Ok, make a new mailing list then. the software is out there and free.
> >>>
> >> No-one is going to join an un-official mailing list. I'd be quite happy
> >> to host one.. as would, I'm sure, many of the admins on this list.. but
> >> at the end of the day, the fact that this is an "official" list is the
> >> reason people are here in the first place.
> >>
> >> James
> >>
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Vladimir Osipenko]

His last post is from bur...@valvesoftware.com , so its true


2009/2/10 Ryan Devonshire :
> Well noticed.
>
> Gmail account?
>
> Rodrigo Peña wrote:
>> Valve staff using gmail accounts?
>>
>>
>> AFAdmin escribió:
>>
>>> Any specific reason why?
>>>
>>> Burton Johnsey wrote:
>>>
>>>
 We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th.

 After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the
 forums listed below.

 Windows server discussion should be conducted here:
 http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source)
 http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc)

 Linux server discussion should be conducted here:
 http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source)
 http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc)

 If you have not already done so, please register a forum
 account
 .

 NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing.

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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[JäKë T]

Well, I was thinking the same thing, then Burton Johnsey   posted from their 
valve account.
If you ask me their retarded if this happens.
Forums are just filled with stupid kids and it's going to be more of a pain for 
all of us.
 
I think this system works great,
Maybe they just want to stop people from posting their ideas...
Thats the only thing I could see them doing here changing to forums, next thing 
you know some people will be magicly banned from the forums. :)
Maybe a irc channel setup could be a good way for server admins to know when an 
update is out.> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:18:01 -0600> From: 
the.autoly...@gmail.com> To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> Subject: Re: 
[hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists> > I assume this 
isn't real.> > -Burton Johnsey> Valve Software> > From a gmail account? Can 
anyone confirm the validity of this post?> > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:08 PM, 
Walton Hoops  wrote:> > Third. Please reconsider Valve. 
I find this list MUCH more useful than> > forums.> >> > -Original 
Message-> > From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com> > 
[mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Florian> > 
Zschocke> > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 2:01 PM> > To: Half-Life dedicated 
Linux server mailing list> > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice 
regarding the HLDS mailing lists> >> > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:51 PM, James 
Gurney > > wrote:> >> :> >> Maybe I'm old fashioned, 
but I find mailing lists far superior for the> >> sort of topics discussed 
here. The signal/noise ratio is drastically> >> higher than a forum. It's 
delivered to my mailbox, so it's not yet> >> another site I have to check every 
half hour to see what's happening,> >> it's not cluttered with irrelevant 
graphics. I can easily filter out the> >> useful information and save it in a 
folder for future reference, etc.> > etc..> >> > Second.> >> >> >> > 
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Rick Payton]

Sorry, NOT fake. 

I wish it was though.

mauirixxx
-Original Message-
From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com 
[mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Pawel
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 11:20 AM
To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

IT IS FAKE SEND FROM sp.tonj...@gmail.com

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:11 PM, SakeFox  wrote:

> and i completely understand that, however there forums have been 
> proven to be terrible since on any patch day or high traffic times 
> they are nearly impossible to view
>
> James Gurney wrote:
> > SakeFox wrote:
> >
> >> Ok, make a new mailing list then. the software is out there and free.
> >>
> >
> > No-one is going to join an un-official mailing list. I'd be quite 
> > happy to host one.. as would, I'm sure, many of the admins on this 
> > list.. but at the end of the day, the fact that this is an 
> > "official" list is the reason people are here in the first place.
> >
> > James
> >
> > ___
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[AFAdmin]

Aren't the forums regularly purged?  I keeping an archive (albeit an 
email one) of the discussions here.  It seems to me that the forums a 
generally used for petty srcds questions ( beginner pitfalls, etc) while 
more serious matters are discussed here.  I like subscribing to this 
more serious admin discussion. 

Just a thought.


SakeFox wrote:
> and i completely understand that, however there forums have been proven 
> to be terrible since on any patch day or high traffic times they are 
> nearly impossible to view
>
> James Gurney wrote:
>   
>> SakeFox wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> Ok, make a new mailing list then. the software is out there and free.
>>> 
>>>   
>> No-one is going to join an un-official mailing list. I'd be quite happy 
>> to host one.. as would, I'm sure, many of the admins on this list.. but 
>> at the end of the day, the fact that this is an "official" list is the 
>> reason people are here in the first place.
>>
>> James
>>
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>>
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Rick Payton]

I went straight to IRC and got the confirmation.

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9427-OPFH-2819 

mauirixxx
-Original Message-
From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 11:18 AM
To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing
lists

I assume this isn't real.

-Burton Johnsey
Valve Software

>From a gmail account?  Can anyone confirm the validity of this post?

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Walton Hoops 
wrote:
> Third.  Please reconsider Valve. I find this list MUCH more useful 
> than forums.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
> [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of 
> Florian Zschocke
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 2:01 PM
> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing 
> lists
>
> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:51 PM, James Gurney 
> 
> wrote:
>> :
>> Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I find mailing lists far superior for 
>> the sort of topics discussed here. The signal/noise ratio is 
>> drastically higher than a forum. It's delivered to my mailbox, so 
>> it's not yet another site I have to check every half hour to see 
>> what's happening, it's not cluttered with irrelevant graphics. I can 
>> easily filter out the useful information and save it in a folder for
future reference, etc.
> etc..
>
> Second.
>
>
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[James Gurney]

That, and they are (were) listed as the official lists on the website, 
and they're read/posted to by Valve employees.

AFAdmin wrote:
> By official, you mean they have the list.valvesoftware.com domain?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> James Gurney wrote:
>> SakeFox wrote:
>>   
>>> Ok, make a new mailing list then. the software is out there and free.
>>> 
>> No-one is going to join an un-official mailing list. I'd be quite happy 
>> to host one.. as would, I'm sure, many of the admins on this list.. but 
>> at the end of the day, the fact that this is an "official" list is the 
>> reason people are here in the first place.
>>
>> James
>>
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Pawel]

IT IS FAKE SEND FROM sp.tonj...@gmail.com

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:11 PM, SakeFox  wrote:

> and i completely understand that, however there forums have been proven
> to be terrible since on any patch day or high traffic times they are
> nearly impossible to view
>
> James Gurney wrote:
> > SakeFox wrote:
> >
> >> Ok, make a new mailing list then. the software is out there and free.
> >>
> >
> > No-one is going to join an un-official mailing list. I'd be quite happy
> > to host one.. as would, I'm sure, many of the admins on this list.. but
> > at the end of the day, the fact that this is an "official" list is the
> > reason people are here in the first place.
> >
> > James
> >
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Ryan Devonshire]

Well noticed.

Gmail account?

Rodrigo Peña wrote:
> Valve staff using gmail accounts?
>
>
> AFAdmin escribió:
>   
>> Any specific reason why?
>>
>> Burton Johnsey wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th.
>>>
>>> After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the
>>> forums listed below.
>>>
>>> Windows server discussion should be conducted here:
>>> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source)
>>> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc)
>>>
>>> Linux server discussion should be conducted here:
>>> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source)
>>> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc)
>>>
>>> If you have not already done so, please register a forum
>>> account
>>> .
>>>
>>> NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing.
>>>
>>> -Burton Johnsey
>>> Valve Software
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Chris]

I assume this isn't real.

-Burton Johnsey
Valve Software

>From a gmail account?  Can anyone confirm the validity of this post?

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Walton Hoops  wrote:
> Third.  Please reconsider Valve. I find this list MUCH more useful than
> forums.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
> [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Florian
> Zschocke
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 2:01 PM
> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists
>
> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:51 PM, James Gurney 
> wrote:
>> :
>> Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I find mailing lists far superior for the
>> sort of topics discussed here. The signal/noise ratio is drastically
>> higher than a forum. It's delivered to my mailbox, so it's not yet
>> another site I have to check every half hour to see what's happening,
>> it's not cluttered with irrelevant graphics. I can easily filter out the
>> useful information and save it in a folder for future reference, etc.
> etc..
>
> Second.
>
>
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Ronny Schedel]

Haha, nice try :)


> We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th.
>
> After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of 
> the
> forums listed below.
>
> Windows server discussion should be conducted here:
> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source)
> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc)
>
> Linux server discussion should be conducted here:
> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source)
> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc)
>
> If you have not already done so, please register a forum
> account
> .
>
> NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing.
>
> -Burton Johnsey
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Vladimir Osipenko]

We can register Google group(it will be always working) and there will
be only "true" admins =)
And this group(google group the same maillist) will join everyone,who
wants to get support and etc

2009/2/10 James Gurney :
> SakeFox wrote:
>> Ok, make a new mailing list then. the software is out there and free.
>
> No-one is going to join an un-official mailing list. I'd be quite happy
> to host one.. as would, I'm sure, many of the admins on this list.. but
> at the end of the day, the fact that this is an "official" list is the
> reason people are here in the first place.
>
> James
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[AFAdmin]

By official, you mean they have the list.valvesoftware.com domain?




James Gurney wrote:
> SakeFox wrote:
>   
>> Ok, make a new mailing list then. the software is out there and free.
>> 
>
> No-one is going to join an un-official mailing list. I'd be quite happy 
> to host one.. as would, I'm sure, many of the admins on this list.. but 
> at the end of the day, the fact that this is an "official" list is the 
> reason people are here in the first place.
>
> James
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Mike Hodgkinson]

I have been following this mailing list since the CS days, would be sad 
to see it silenced.
I agree with James, will you reconsider leaving the mailing list as is?

Florian Zschocke wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:51 PM, James Gurney  wrote:
>   
>> :
>> Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I find mailing lists far superior for the
>> sort of topics discussed here. The signal/noise ratio is drastically
>> higher than a forum. It's delivered to my mailbox, so it's not yet
>> another site I have to check every half hour to see what's happening,
>> it's not cluttered with irrelevant graphics. I can easily filter out the
>> useful information and save it in a folder for future reference, etc. etc..
>> 
>
> Second.
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Burton Johnsey]

This should no longer be an issue as we have a vastly more robust system in 
place.

-Original Message-
From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com 
[mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of SakeFox
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:11 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

and i completely understand that, however there forums have been proven
to be terrible since on any patch day or high traffic times they are
nearly impossible to view

James Gurney wrote:
> SakeFox wrote:
>
>> Ok, make a new mailing list then. the software is out there and free.
>>
>
> No-one is going to join an un-official mailing list. I'd be quite happy
> to host one.. as would, I'm sure, many of the admins on this list.. but
> at the end of the day, the fact that this is an "official" list is the
> reason people are here in the first place.
>
> James
>
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Vladimir Osipenko]

Do you think that RedHat, FreeBSD and etc etc are so stupid to have
maillists and Valve is so clever to close it?!

2009/2/9 Burton Johnsey :
> We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February 20th.
>
> After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of the
> forums listed below.
>
> Windows server discussion should be conducted here:
> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source)
> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc)
>
> Linux server discussion should be conducted here:
> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source)
> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc)
>
> If you have not already done so, please register a forum
> account
> .
>
> NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing.
>
> -Burton Johnsey
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[SakeFox]

and i completely understand that, however there forums have been proven 
to be terrible since on any patch day or high traffic times they are 
nearly impossible to view

James Gurney wrote:
> SakeFox wrote:
>   
>> Ok, make a new mailing list then. the software is out there and free.
>> 
>
> No-one is going to join an un-official mailing list. I'd be quite happy 
> to host one.. as would, I'm sure, many of the admins on this list.. but 
> at the end of the day, the fact that this is an "official" list is the 
> reason people are here in the first place.
>
> James
>
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Walton Hoops]

Third.  Please reconsider Valve. I find this list MUCH more useful than
forums.

-Original Message-
From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
[mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Florian
Zschocke
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 2:01 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:51 PM, James Gurney 
wrote:
> :
> Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I find mailing lists far superior for the
> sort of topics discussed here. The signal/noise ratio is drastically
> higher than a forum. It's delivered to my mailbox, so it's not yet
> another site I have to check every half hour to see what's happening,
> it's not cluttered with irrelevant graphics. I can easily filter out the
> useful information and save it in a folder for future reference, etc.
etc..

Second.



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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[Pawel]

1 April :D

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Rodrigo Peña  wrote:

> Valve staff using gmail accounts?
>
>
> AFAdmin escribió:
> > Any specific reason why?
> >
> > Burton Johnsey wrote:
> >
> >> We will be shutting down the HLDS mailing lists on Friday, February
> 20th.
> >>
> >> After February 20th, all server discussions should take place in one of
> the
> >> forums listed below.
> >>
> >> Windows server discussion should be conducted here:
> >> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=44 (Source)
> >> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16 (Gldsrc)
> >>
> >> Linux server discussion should be conducted here:
> >> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45 (Source)
> >> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 (Gldsrc)
> >>
> >> If you have not already done so, please register a forum
> >> account
> >> .
> >>
> >> NOTE: The mailing list archives will still be available for viewing.
> >>
> >> -Burton Johnsey
> >> Valve Software
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Re: [hlds_linux] Important notice regarding the HLDS mailing lists

[James Gurney]

SakeFox wrote:
> Ok, make a new mailing list then. the software is out there and free.

No-one is going to join an un-official mailing list. I'd be quite happy 
to host one.. as would, I'm sure, many of the admins on this list.. but 
at the end of the day, the fact that this is an "official" list is the 
reason people are here in the first place.

James

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