RE: [hlds_linux] The CPU usage issue.. what should I go with: Linux or Win32?
#!/bin/sh cd /home/smeg/bin/hlds_steam/hlds_steam ./hlds_run -game cstrike -autoupdate -pingboost 2 +ip 202.36.205.21 +port 27030 +maxplayers 12 +map de_dust -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Kercher Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 2:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] The CPU usage issue.. what should I go with: Linux or Win32? What commandline are you using to start your server? Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smeg Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 6:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] The CPU usage issue.. what should I go with: Linux or Win32? Well I don't know what you guys are all on about but I have a budget server that is rocking :D Asus a7n266vm Xp1700 2 x 512 266mz ddr ram 80gig 7200 rpm drive Running the latest debian (9 I think) Using the 2.4 kernal On a 100mb connection (I am on nz 512 cable and get 20 ping to the server) 1x 20 player 1.6 cs server and 1 x 16 player 1.6 cs server 18% to 29% cpu usage and yes ive tripple checked it I have loaded a third server and its rocking. Last I looked I had 6 on the 3rd server it was about 40 -50% cpu usage so if the ram can handle it ill put up a 4th server on the box this week smg.iplay.net.nz:27015 :27020 :27025 and soon :27030 When iv got it full ill do a vmstat 1 and email the results Make sure you do the bf24 on your install of debian it rocks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Luk Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 7:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] The CPU usage issue.. what should I go with: Linux or Win32? just a comment:. steam eat more. all my servers ran on p4 2.4 intel w/ 1g sdram. machines purchased some days before. standard hlds with metamod 1.16.x and adminmod 2.50.x. combination: machine 1: 2x cs 26, without steam: ~60% cpu loading in total, with steam: ~75% cpu loading in total. machine 2: 2x cs 20 + 1x dod 32, without steam: ~75% cpu loading in total, with steam: ~60% with only 2x cs 20 or ~80% with only 1x dod. machine 3 (no steam at all): 2x cs 32: ~75% cpu loading in total. my observation lead me to an conclusion that steam eat more cpu loading. chris. bad ping wrote: Lets not deny that this release is using A LOT more cpu than the last. Its pretty much FACT - unless you happen to be one of the lucky few with a SUPER KERNEL that runs 5% cpu with a 32 player serverand we all know that's bs. Sorry James, but I have to deny it, because it's true. I've spent more time looking at top on full gameservers in my life than I care to admit, and 1.6 runs as well or better than 1.5. 18 players never even spikes past 35%, even on office or aztec, running a single P4 and Slack 8. Terribly sorry for the issues you and a few others seem to be having...but don't say it can't be done. Best of luck to you. Oh, and to the original question in this thread...I wouldn't hang a winblows box out on the Internet unless I was a masochist ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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should be steam *powered* HL/CS, apart from the non-steam *powered* HL/CS. anyhow, those steam *powered* one cost me more on cpu loading in average. full slots, no firewall and no bandwidth constraints. :) a final word, got to live with it while i keep those services with my business. less slots, more boxes ... etc, or switch to M$ at last. chris m0gely wrote: Christopher Luk wrote: my observation lead me to an conclusion that steam eat more cpu loading. Steam is *not* HL/CS. -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] The CPU usage issue.. what should I go with: Linux or Win32?
On the contrary, from your first email to your last, the one thing they all have in common is..attitude.Go back through my archives of the list. How many issues have you posted on? How many people have you helped? How much information have you given to the list or other admins? Anyone can do check themselves. As far as more of your scathing comments. I'm an IT professional with years of hosting industry experience. IT Professional, ROFL..how many are there out there? millions? lol exaggerated but damn near. Myself, I learned by trial and error. I build my own servers as well, and I have been online in business since 98. Not going anywhere. Actually, you're the one wasting time on this list, with your constant carping and attacks on other list members What list members have I attacked other than you, even then my post was in defence of the users and myself on this list, it was not an unwarranted response to you. What carping are you referring too? I see lots of cpu info, numbers and testing...but I don't see what you are referring to. All information on this list is valuable, if you have the brains to understand and interpret it correctly What information have I not understood or could not interpret correctly? I have posted more test results to this list in a day, than all your posts combined. What about all the other emails, did you fail to comprehend the results or was the output not in the proper format for you? Matt Heler who does the actual kernel work on my machines, is a member of this list. Are you saying he is not smart enough to test properly or understand the results posted to the list? I would wager he is at the very least as competent as ANY on this list. Thsi might come as a shock to you, but you're not the only experienced sysadmin Find any email I ever sent stating that, or anything remotely close to that. Again, instead of sending anything useful to the list, you resort back to trying to cut people down. You're lucky that I have the good grace and restraint not to rip on you the way you rip on me. Oh, I so honored that you do not render me asunder with your vast and limitless intelligence. Truly this mere mortal is thankful. It's called having class, and no amount of bile that you spew will ever give you an ounce of it. If you believe the way you talk to people is classy. I am glad to have no class. You have been rude and mean spirited since your first post. Post results and help or stfu and troll. It's funny, we were going to expand our hosting operations but weren't sure if the market is right for it. You server is 690 miles approximately from me. FL to NC. My servers are 1145 miles from me. FL to NJ. I icmp ping my boxes at 50ms or less. I icmp ping your boxes at 65ms or higher. Not a good sign. Keep loading 6 18 player servers on those single p4's. See how long you keep your clients. However, now that I know that people such as yourself are running some of the big gaming server hosting services, I'm absolutely sure that we can take your money. That is just plain ignorance and assumption. I run one of the oldest cs gaming communities..but I am not one of the large rental companies. I maintain a set number of clients. Mostly renters over the age of 25, and those interested in good running servers for long periods of time. Anyone else wants to deal with clans or kids renting, they can have them. I keep no more than 15 clients, though prefer around 10. Most of the stuff, I sponsor out. #GBL shoutcasts, IRCD server for gamesnet, gameserver and server hosting for wickednet.org. I didn't see you in #steam or #steam-hangout or #steam-serveradmins or broadcasting to 950+ listeners on shoutcast doing support for users and serverops when steam was released. Not only was I working and helping for all that..where do you think the bandwidth came from for all those users? I support and help the CS community alot, both the players and the admins. If I was bitching about something, at least I earned the right to do the bitching. This is my last reply to you whatsoever on this list. Your arrogant and overbearing and I am on this list for a reason, and that reason is not to entertain the other readers or piss them off with all this garbage. I apologize to the list and valve concerning this garbage. dan - Original Message - From: bad ping [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] The CPU usage issue.. what should I go with: Linux or Win32? snip It appears you use out-of-the-box kernel and configuration. Apparently, this is what blast or inflow sponsored/donated/rented to you. snip We pay our own way, the sponsorship is only a discount. I consult for them, they cut us a deal. Actually, Daniel, I selected the box components and built that machine myself, installed Slack myself, compiled the kernel with P4 and highmem optimisations myself,
Re: [hlds_linux] The CPU usage issue.. what should I go with: Linux or Win32?
If you want to continue with your pissing match, please go to usenet or take it offline. If you can act as the professionals that you claim to be then by all means continue. At times you have each made valid contributions to this list and I hope that you can continue to do so. Thanks -miket - Original Message - From: Daniel Stroven [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] The CPU usage issue.. what should I go with: Linux or Win32? On the contrary, from your first email to your last, the one thing they all have in common is..attitude.Go back through my archives of the list. How many issues have you posted on? How many people have you helped? How much information have you given to the list or other admins? Anyone can do check themselves. As far as more of your scathing comments. I'm an IT professional with years of hosting industry experience. IT Professional, ROFL..how many are there out there? millions? lol exaggerated but damn near. Myself, I learned by trial and error. I build my own servers as well, and I have been online in business since 98. Not going anywhere. Actually, you're the one wasting time on this list, with your constant carping and attacks on other list members What list members have I attacked other than you, even then my post was in defence of the users and myself on this list, it was not an unwarranted response to you. What carping are you referring too? I see lots of cpu info, numbers and testing...but I don't see what you are referring to. All information on this list is valuable, if you have the brains to understand and interpret it correctly What information have I not understood or could not interpret correctly? I have posted more test results to this list in a day, than all your posts combined. What about all the other emails, did you fail to comprehend the results or was the output not in the proper format for you? Matt Heler who does the actual kernel work on my machines, is a member of this list. Are you saying he is not smart enough to test properly or understand the results posted to the list? I would wager he is at the very least as competent as ANY on this list. Thsi might come as a shock to you, but you're not the only experienced sysadmin Find any email I ever sent stating that, or anything remotely close to that. Again, instead of sending anything useful to the list, you resort back to trying to cut people down. You're lucky that I have the good grace and restraint not to rip on you the way you rip on me. Oh, I so honored that you do not render me asunder with your vast and limitless intelligence. Truly this mere mortal is thankful. It's called having class, and no amount of bile that you spew will ever give you an ounce of it. If you believe the way you talk to people is classy. I am glad to have no class. You have been rude and mean spirited since your first post. Post results and help or stfu and troll. It's funny, we were going to expand our hosting operations but weren't sure if the market is right for it. You server is 690 miles approximately from me. FL to NC. My servers are 1145 miles from me. FL to NJ. I icmp ping my boxes at 50ms or less. I icmp ping your boxes at 65ms or higher. Not a good sign. Keep loading 6 18 player servers on those single p4's. See how long you keep your clients. However, now that I know that people such as yourself are running some of the big gaming server hosting services, I'm absolutely sure that we can take your money. That is just plain ignorance and assumption. I run one of the oldest cs gaming communities..but I am not one of the large rental companies. I maintain a set number of clients. Mostly renters over the age of 25, and those interested in good running servers for long periods of time. Anyone else wants to deal with clans or kids renting, they can have them. I keep no more than 15 clients, though prefer around 10. Most of the stuff, I sponsor out. #GBL shoutcasts, IRCD server for gamesnet, gameserver and server hosting for wickednet.org. I didn't see you in #steam or #steam-hangout or #steam-serveradmins or broadcasting to 950+ listeners on shoutcast doing support for users and serverops when steam was released. Not only was I working and helping for all that..where do you think the bandwidth came from for all those users? I support and help the CS community alot, both the players and the admins. If I was bitching about something, at least I earned the right to do the bitching. This is my last reply to you whatsoever on this list. Your arrogant and overbearing and I am on this list for a reason, and that reason is not to entertain the other readers or piss them off with all this garbage. I apologize to the list and valve concerning this garbage. dan - Original Message - From: bad ping [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [hlds_linux] The CPU usage issue.. what should I go with: Linux or Win32?
Lets not deny that this release is using A LOT more cpu than the last. Its pretty much FACT - unless you happen to be one of the lucky few with a SUPER KERNEL that runs 5% cpu with a 32 player serverand we all know that's bs. Sorry James, but I have to deny it, because it's true. I've spent more time looking at top on full gameservers in my life than I care to admit, and 1.6 runs as well or better than 1.5. 18 players never even spikes past 35%, even on office or aztec, running a single P4 and Slack 8. Terribly sorry for the issues you and a few others seem to be having...but don't say it can't be done. Best of luck to you. Oh, and to the original question in this thread...I wouldn't hang a winblows box out on the Internet unless I was a masochist ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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Sorry James, but I have to deny it, because it's true. I've spent more Doh. Broke my own rule and wrote an email before my first cup of coffee. I obviously meant, I have to deny it, because it's false BTW, that's with MM 1.16.2, AM 2.50.57-beta, StatsMe 2.71 and VAC running, with pingboost at -3. ...coffee ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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Who said this release is laggy? Sure it uses more CPU but as long as your machine can handle it there is no problem. In fact I'm pretty sure this release performs better for the client , not so much on linux, but in windows it seems quite a lot better. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Britt Priddy (PZGN) Sent: 29 September 2003 05:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] The CPU usage issue.. what should I go with: Linux or Win32? Not saying that - we run no more than 2 hlds procs per machine - never a 20/20 player server on the same box - maybe a 14 player with a 20 player - and league matches have a occured these past few days and the only complaint is the Spec bug in TFC - (server locking up / freezing) - thats it - no complaints of lag/choke, etc, etc... So no matter what numbers are saying - as long as it performs as it has - no problems on our endso far...*cough* Britt - Original Message - From: James Sykes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 10:48 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] The CPU usage issue.. what should I go with: Linux or Win32? Lets not deny that this release is using A LOT more cpu than the last. Its pretty much FACT - unless you happen to be one of the lucky few with a SUPER KERNEL that runs 5% cpu with a 32 player serverand we all know that's bs. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Britt Priddy (PZGN) Sent: 29 September 2003 03:33 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] The CPU usage issue.. what should I go with: Linux or Win32? exactly what m0gely said. less CPU for me on AMD 2800+ - Original Message - From: m0gely [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] The CPU usage issue.. what should I go with: Linux or Win32? James Sykes wrote: If the new linux HLDS is really doubling CPU usage over 3.1.1.0c then how in the world can I host enough games to cover the cost of my server? You don't :) At 14 players in de_aztec, I don't see anywhere near double the CPU. It's a little more, Double though? C'mon. Right now I have 14 players in de_inferno and it's 38% on my dual AMP MP 2400+. This is with MM 1.16, VAC, HLG 1.5, AMX 0.9.3 (stats disabled) and Statsme 2.7.1. This is hardly any different then before w/ 3.1.1.0c. It's not good, but not really any different. -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] The CPU usage issue.. what should I go with: Linux or Win32?
What speed is that p4? I get 35-40% cpu with 12 players playing Dust2. 2.4 Intel with Slack 8.1. Oh, and to the original question in this thread...I wouldn't hang a winblows box out on the Internet unless I was a masochist Enough of the windows bashing - its a great operating system if you know what your doing. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bad ping Sent: 29 September 2003 14:31 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] The CPU usage issue.. what should I go with: Linux or Win32? Lets not deny that this release is using A LOT more cpu than the last. Its pretty much FACT - unless you happen to be one of the lucky few with a SUPER KERNEL that runs 5% cpu with a 32 player serverand we all know that's bs. Sorry James, but I have to deny it, because it's true. I've spent more time looking at top on full gameservers in my life than I care to admit, and 1.6 runs as well or better than 1.5. 18 players never even spikes past 35%, even on office or aztec, running a single P4 and Slack 8. Terribly sorry for the issues you and a few others seem to be having...but don't say it can't be done. Best of luck to you. Oh, and to the original question in this thread...I wouldn't hang a winblows box out on the Internet unless I was a masochist ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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Not saying that - we run no more than 2 hlds procs per machine - never a 20/20 player server on the same box - maybe a 14 player with a 20 player - and league matches have a occured these past few days and the only complaint is the Spec bug in TFC - (server locking up / freezing) - thats it - no complaints of lag/choke, etc, etc... So no matter what numbers are saying - as long as it performs as it has - no problems on our endso far...*cough* LOL that explains it **cough** TFC **cough**. Come to the darkside my friend, CS awaits you! Jeremy ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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Terribly sorry for the issues you and a few others seem to be having...but don't say it can't be done. Best of luck to you. A few? I think we are the majority here. Jeremy ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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When a dual MP2800+ can't handle a lag-free 32 player server, IT IS LAGGY, period. - Sindre = Original Message From James Sykes [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Who said this release is laggy? Sure it uses more CPU but as long as your machine can handle it there is no problem. In fact I'm pretty sure this release performs better for the client , not so much on linux, but in windows it seems quite a lot better. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Britt Priddy (PZGN) Sent: 29 September 2003 05:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] The CPU usage issue.. what should I go with: Linux or Win32? Not saying that - we run no more than 2 hlds procs per machine - never a 20/20 player server on the same box - maybe a 14 player with a 20 player - and league matches have a occured these past few days and the only complaint is the Spec bug in TFC - (server locking up / freezing) - thats it - no complaints of lag/choke, etc, etc... So no matter what numbers are saying - as long as it performs as it has - no problems on our endso far...*cough* Britt - Original Message - From: James Sykes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 10:48 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] The CPU usage issue.. what should I go with: Linux or Win32? Lets not deny that this release is using A LOT more cpu than the last. Its pretty much FACT - unless you happen to be one of the lucky few with a SUPER KERNEL that runs 5% cpu with a 32 player serverand we all know that's bs. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Britt Priddy (PZGN) Sent: 29 September 2003 03:33 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] The CPU usage issue.. what should I go with: Linux or Win32? exactly what m0gely said. less CPU for me on AMD 2800+ - Original Message - From: m0gely [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] The CPU usage issue.. what should I go with: Linux or Win32? James Sykes wrote: If the new linux HLDS is really doubling CPU usage over 3.1.1.0c then how in the world can I host enough games to cover the cost of my server? You don't :) At 14 players in de_aztec, I don't see anywhere near double the CPU. It's a little more, Double though? C'mon. Right now I have 14 players in de_inferno and it's 38% on my dual AMP MP 2400+. This is with MM 1.16, VAC, HLG 1.5, AMX 0.9.3 (stats disabled) and Statsme 2.7.1. This is hardly any different then before w/ 3.1.1.0c. It's not good, but not really any different. -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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A few? I think we are the majority here. An observation on human psychology: negative events are more often recollected than positive ones. From my perspective, I see a lot of people getting positive results here, enough to know that I'm far from alone. From the perspective of an admin having CPU issues, they see a lot of people having problems. I guess we could take a poll, but the effort at quantifying data would be better spent on something more productive. That performance database that was started here was a good idea, but it needs to be enhanced so that it correlates the CPU usages with the platforms. If this were taken systematically, it could be fairly easy to determine which platform/settings/software gives the best results. Flaming back and forth and carping about a _free product_ is not going to help anyone. Out of curiosity, if it turns out that your platform of choice was lousy at running hlds, would you switch to one that was better? [Mage]-BadPing- www.ClanMage.net ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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According to the great words of Sindre: You are so painfully wrong, stop pestering the list with such false bullshit, windows DOES RUN HLDS BETTER AT THE MOMENT. I never said it didn't. My exact words: I'm not in any way suggesting there isn't a difference. All I'm saying is that we do not have sufficient credible data at this time. All the bickering in the world will not convince Valve to solve the problem. But if we can get verifiable data, then we can get them to move. That's the point of gathering the data: to *prove* something that we already think is true. -Mad -- A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven. Prime Minister Jean Chrétien ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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In reply to: I can't do much about the number of results (I've tried to make it as easy as I could with that version checker thing) but tell me what you want it to sort by and I'll make it happen. Troy, thank you very much for setting that up. It's slick and very useful, it just needs a view all funtion and a sorter. And a ton of responsible, detailed submissions to it's database ;) It's important to set a standard, as in, are the numbers you're posting an average or a peak, how many iterations of the test etc. In this case the variation of the open source model is working against us. In return, it's forcing us all to learn some things about our systems that we might never have probed otherwise. Hell, I got into computers this way. I played Q2 one day almost 6 years ago, and I never got tired of figuring out how to make it better. Games come and go, but being an admin is a way of life. Anyway...enough nostalgia. What would be really be the heat would be for a 1337 coder to design an HLDS server benchmarker. Something with normalized results would be nice, with win32 and Linux/BSD distros. I bet Valve has a copy lying around the office somewhere :-/ -BP ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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You are so painfully wrong, stop pestering the list with such false bullshi t, windows DOES RUN HLDS BETTER AT THE MOMENT. Wow, this is like batting practice... Sindre, How about you write us up a little white paper on the differences between the way Task Manager, top in it's various revisions, and the hlds stats command measure, interpret, and display the actual, valid, real time system usage, load, and statistics of processes running under each and every one of the varied OSes, builds, kernels, platforms, omg I could go on all day but I'm farking tired but you get my basic point, then maybe, I'll listen to what you have to say about CPU usage as the definitive god's own truth and be silent. k? So if you have a tool that will give us this information, then speak up. If not, then go back to watching your CPU(s) spike. -BP ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] The CPU usage issue.. what should I go with: Linux or Win32?
Daniel, I truly do apologize for your lack of basic education. It's breaking my heart. The rest of your post was all hot air, so I will let it vanish as such. Let me know when you have something to add to the discussion, besides your own exceptionally high opinion of yourself. Would anybody like to talk about any successes they've had with 1.6? Anything that's worked for them so far? -BP ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] The CPU usage issue.. what should I go with: Linux or Win32?
I have a pair of lucky underwear. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of bad ping Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 11:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] The CPU usage issue.. what should I go with: Linux or Win32? Daniel, I truly do apologize for your lack of basic education. It's breaking my heart. The rest of your post was all hot air, so I will let it vanish as such. Let me know when you have something to add to the discussion, besides your own exceptionally high opinion of yourself. Would anybody like to talk about any successes they've had with 1.6? Anything that's worked for them so far? -BP ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] The CPU usage issue.. what should I go with: Linux or Win32?
Better yet, why don't you? We've been over this. I run windows and linux servers. The windows servers outperform the linux ones time over time. Stop citing inaccurrate cpu reporting from either OS. If you wish to make such statements back them up with proof. My view that windows uses less CPU than linux is based on not only the task manager and top, but also latencies and FPS in game while under light ( 25% cpu) load and under heavy load (+90%). And not just one server, but many. If we can't trust top or taskmgr give me a break. Again, why don't YOU write the paper, stop batting the ball into the other court. James. - Original Message - From: bad ping [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 8:35 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] The CPU usage issue.. what should I go with: Linux or Win32? You are so painfully wrong, stop pestering the list with such false bullshi t, windows DOES RUN HLDS BETTER AT THE MOMENT. Wow, this is like batting practice... Sindre, How about you write us up a little white paper on the differences between the way Task Manager, top in it's various revisions, and the hlds stats command measure, interpret, and display the actual, valid, real time system usage, load, and statistics of processes running under each and every one of the varied OSes, builds, kernels, platforms, omg I could go on all day but I'm farking tired but you get my basic point, then maybe, I'll listen to what you have to say about CPU usage as the definitive god's own truth and be silent. k? So if you have a tool that will give us this information, then speak up. If not, then go back to watching your CPU(s) spike. -BP ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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According to the great words of James Couzens: If you wish to make such statements back them up with proof. That's exactly what we're trying to gather. -Mad -- A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven. Prime Minister Jean Chrétien ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] The CPU usage issue.. what should I go with: Linux or Win32?
I don't know enough about the HLDS to put something together like what you're talking about but the versions thing I did does some of that. It can be used as a guide for someone if they don't want to worry about that part (or contact me and maybe we can put something functional together). Would having a feature on that site where you could download the raw data (in pipe delimited, text format) help? That way, you can put it into Access, Excel or even your own programming to do with the data what you want to try and get to a solution quicker. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bad ping Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 10:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] The CPU usage issue.. what should I go with: Linux or Win32? In reply to: I can't do much about the number of results (I've tried to make it as easy as I could with that version checker thing) but tell me what you want it to sort by and I'll make it happen. Troy, thank you very much for setting that up. It's slick and very useful, it just needs a view all funtion and a sorter. And a ton of responsible, detailed submissions to it's database ;) It's important to set a standard, as in, are the numbers you're posting an average or a peak, how many iterations of the test etc. In this case the variation of the open source model is working against us. In return, it's forcing us all to learn some things about our systems that we might never have probed otherwise. Hell, I got into computers this way. I played Q2 one day almost 6 years ago, and I never got tired of figuring out how to make it better. Games come and go, but being an admin is a way of life. Anyway...enough nostalgia. What would be really be the heat would be for a 1337 coder to design an HLDS server benchmarker. Something with normalized results would be nice, with win32 and Linux/BSD distros. I bet Valve has a copy lying around the office somewhere :-/ -BP ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.521 / Virus Database: 319 - Release Date: 9/23/2003 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] The CPU usage issue.. what should I go with: Linux or Win32?
Is there a server side commandline way to query a running hlds server as to number of
players
and their pings?
maybe telnet to the server port and send whatever command?
I could scan the proces table for any running hlds
parse the output for the mods/ports/max players or consult the config files for same.
query the running servers for player numbers and ping
look at /proc/PROCESS# for performance stats
look at /proc/cpuinfo for hardware config.
look at /proc/loadaverage
rpm -qa | awk '/gcc/{print}/kern/{print}' | sort
do performance samples for 5-10 minutes and normalize them
Then post the results to a webserver that stores it in a mysql database so that you
can sort
and search on any key phrase.
Further updates::
add data gather to cron and update your entries over time.
- Original Message -
From: bad ping [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 11:27 PM
Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] The CPU usage issue.. what should I go with: Linux or Win32?
In reply to:
I can't do much about the number of results (I've tried to make it as
easy as I could with that version checker thing) but tell me what you
want it to sort by and I'll make it happen.
Troy, thank you very much for setting that up. It's slick and very useful, it
just needs a view all funtion and a sorter. And a ton of responsible, detailed
submissions to it's database ;)
It's important to set a standard, as in, are the numbers you're
posting an average or a peak, how many iterations of the test etc. In this
case the variation of the open source model is working against us. In return,
it's forcing us all to learn some things about our systems that we might never
have probed otherwise. Hell, I got into computers this way. I played Q2 one
day almost 6 years ago, and I never got tired of figuring out how to make it
better. Games come and go, but being an admin is a way of life.
Anyway...enough nostalgia.
What would be really be the heat would be for a 1337 coder to design an HLDS
server benchmarker. Something with normalized results would be nice, with
win32 and Linux/BSD distros.
I bet Valve has a copy lying around the office somewhere :-/
-BP
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Re: [hlds_linux] The CPU usage issue.. what should I go with: Linux or Win32?
James Couzens wrote: Better yet, why don't you? I'm hoping that if people keep asking that question enough that eventually some bright person will get annoyed and answer it, so that we can all stop watching our resource viewer of choice and get back to killing each other. Troy, comma delimited would be fine :P -BP ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] The CPU usage issue.. what should I go with: Linux or Win32?
James Sykes wrote: If the new linux HLDS is really doubling CPU usage over 3.1.1.0c then how in the world can I host enough games to cover the cost of my server? You don't :) At 14 players in de_aztec, I don't see anywhere near double the CPU. It's a little more, Double though? C'mon. Right now I have 14 players in de_inferno and it's 38% on my dual AMP MP 2400+. This is with MM 1.16, VAC, HLG 1.5, AMX 0.9.3 (stats disabled) and Statsme 2.7.1. This is hardly any different then before w/ 3.1.1.0c. It's not good, but not really any different. -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] The CPU usage issue.. what should I go with: Linux or Win32?
Wait a few weeks? lol - have they fixed it since 3.1.1.1 ? How long have they been aware of the usage problems and not done anything about it? If valve does anything about it in the next few weeks it would be a biblical sign of the end i think lol - Original Message - From: James Sykes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 9:57 PM Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] The CPU usage issue.. what should I go with: Linux or Win32? Wait a few weeks, lets see if valve can make any cpu optimizations for Linux! If the new linux HLDS is really doubling CPU usage over 3.1.1.0c then how in the world can I host enough games to cover the cost of my server? You don't :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zel Zelaert Sent: 29 September 2003 01:26 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [hlds_linux] The CPU usage issue.. what should I go with: Linux or Win32? In a month or so I'm planning on starting a small counter-strike server hosting company (I know bad time for this) to cover the cost of my public CS servers. I was all set to rent a dedicated server (dual xeon 2.4 1gig ram) with RH 9 linux however this whole steam CPU usage issue has me thinking twice. If the new linux HLDS is really doubling CPU usage over 3.1.1.0c then how in the world can I host enough games to cover the cost of my server? However I have heard a rumor that the win32 version of the new HLDS doesn't have nearly as much CPU load as the linux version. Is this true? If it is true maybe I should use windows instead? My host does have an option to use windows 2000 or 2k3 for $40 more a month whereas redhat is free. I really like linux but I don't mind windows either its just that I mind the price... The real question is would the $40 a month difference be offset by the potentially more instances of HLDS that can be run on the server without overloading? Ideas? Comments? Thanks guys!!! __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] The CPU usage issue.. what should I go with: Linux or Win32?
exactly what m0gely said. less CPU for me on AMD 2800+ - Original Message - From: m0gely [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] The CPU usage issue.. what should I go with: Linux or Win32? James Sykes wrote: If the new linux HLDS is really doubling CPU usage over 3.1.1.0c then how in the world can I host enough games to cover the cost of my server? You don't :) At 14 players in de_aztec, I don't see anywhere near double the CPU. It's a little more, Double though? C'mon. Right now I have 14 players in de_inferno and it's 38% on my dual AMP MP 2400+. This is with MM 1.16, VAC, HLG 1.5, AMX 0.9.3 (stats disabled) and Statsme 2.7.1. This is hardly any different then before w/ 3.1.1.0c. It's not good, but not really any different. -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] The CPU usage issue.. what should I go with: Linux or Win32?
Lets not deny that this release is using A LOT more cpu than the last. Its pretty much FACT - unless you happen to be one of the lucky few with a SUPER KERNEL that runs 5% cpu with a 32 player serverand we all know that's bs. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Britt Priddy (PZGN) Sent: 29 September 2003 03:33 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] The CPU usage issue.. what should I go with: Linux or Win32? exactly what m0gely said. less CPU for me on AMD 2800+ - Original Message - From: m0gely [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] The CPU usage issue.. what should I go with: Linux or Win32? James Sykes wrote: If the new linux HLDS is really doubling CPU usage over 3.1.1.0c then how in the world can I host enough games to cover the cost of my server? You don't :) At 14 players in de_aztec, I don't see anywhere near double the CPU. It's a little more, Double though? C'mon. Right now I have 14 players in de_inferno and it's 38% on my dual AMP MP 2400+. This is with MM 1.16, VAC, HLG 1.5, AMX 0.9.3 (stats disabled) and Statsme 2.7.1. This is hardly any different then before w/ 3.1.1.0c. It's not good, but not really any different. -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
