RE: P3 vs P4 vs Athlon was: Re: [hlds_linux] CPU Usage?
I would never have considered running AMDs in a 1u rack mount regardless. but if you did, I could see that heat could become a small problem, especially if you cramming a few high speed HDDs into that small space as well. Satndard mini tower with front and back fans seems to run at room temp in our data centre. Difference is, we cant afford to waste rack space on towers :) Go here: http://www.racksaver.com/products/RS1100Matrix.asp And read this: http://www.racksaver.com/clusters/index.asp So, apparently RackSaver has no problem integrating 2 Athlon MPs into a 1U chassis. And, they offer a choice of motherboards in the 1U chassis, so apparently they've created a few custom cooling solutions for Athlon MP in 1U, due to the different motherboard layouts. If they're stuffing standard 19 racks full of the 1U dual Athlon MP servers to create supercomputing clusters, I'd guarantee they've worked out any thermal issues. StanTheMan TheHardwareFreak http://www.hardwarefreak.com rcon admin at: Beer for Breakfast servershttp://bfb.bogleg.org/ 209.41.98.2:27016 (CS multi-map) 209.41.98.2:27015 (DoD) 209.41.98.2:27017 (CS militia/dust2)Dallas, TX ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] RE: P3 vs P4 vs Athlon was: Re: [hlds_linux] CPU Usage?
Anyone out there using TEC modules (Thermo-electric cooling AKA Peltier device) ? I am really looking into it for a dual P3 system. About the only people using peltiers are serious overclockers. If you put them inside a server (especially a small one like 1U or 2U), they'll have to be powered from the internal power supply on the 12v rail. Peltiers suck a bit of power, and with a ~200-250W PSU in a 1U/2U server, your peltiers will take a fair percentage of that available power. Keep in mind that CPUs die very quickly if the fan on the hot side of the peltier fails. This could even be a potential fire hazard I'd definitely stay away from peltiers in a server application. StanTheMan TheHardwareFreak http://www.hardwarefreak.com rcon admin at: Beer for Breakfast servershttp://bfb.bogleg.org/ 209.41.98.2:27016 (CS multi-map) 209.41.98.2:27015 (DoD) 209.41.98.2:27017 (CS militia/dust2)Dallas, TX ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: P3 vs P4 vs Athlon was: Re: [hlds_linux] CPU Usage?
There are lot of 1U servers that run dual AMD's. Can't understand why some of you don't think it's any good. Sure there is some cost to develop the 1U chassis and the one who has to pay is the customer. But if you need the space to other things, well then there's really not much to do than to pay... This is a pretty cool server, dual amd's and 4 U160 drives in 1U. oh, and there is also a cd included :P http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.html?i=1514p=1 Quoting Stan Hoeppner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I would never have considered running AMDs in a 1u rack mount regardless. but if you did, I could see that heat could become a small problem, especially if you cramming a few high speed HDDs into that small space as well. Satndard mini tower with front and back fans seems to run at room temp in our data centre. Difference is, we cant afford to waste rack space on towers :) Go here: http://www.racksaver.com/products/RS1100Matrix.asp And read this: http://www.racksaver.com/clusters/index.asp So, apparently RackSaver has no problem integrating 2 Athlon MPs into a 1U chassis. And, they offer a choice of motherboards in the 1U chassis, so apparently they've created a few custom cooling solutions for Athlon MP in 1U, due to the different motherboard layouts. If they're stuffing standard 19 racks full of the 1U dual Athlon MP servers to create supercomputing clusters, I'd guarantee they've worked out any thermal issues. StanTheMan TheHardwareFreak http://www.hardwarefreak.com rcon admin at: Beer for Breakfast servershttp://bfb.bogleg.org/ 209.41.98.2:27016 (CS multi-map) 209.41.98.2:27015 (DoD) 209.41.98.2:27017 (CS militia/dust2)Dallas, TX ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux /Mvh Oscar This mail was sent from www.bhood.nu ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] RE: P3 vs P4 vs Athlon was: Re: [hlds_linux] CPU Usage?
You'll need (stan?) about 3x the airflow to keep this monster at a decent temperature. I won't even guess at a ratio. I just wouldn't run peltiers in a server at all, especially a 1U or 2U. Most Peltier using overclockers tend to couple them with water cooling as its heat carrying capacity is significantly greater than air. True. However, the k00l'st I've seen is an evaporative cooling tower (think 3 Mile Island): http://www.overclockers.com/articles389/index03.asp StanTheMan TheHardwareFreak http://www.hardwarefreak.com rcon admin at: Beer for Breakfast servershttp://bfb.bogleg.org/ 209.41.98.2:27016 (CS multi-map) 209.41.98.2:27015 (DoD) 209.41.98.2:27017 (CS militia/dust2)Dallas, TX ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: P3 vs P4 vs Athlon was: Re: [hlds_linux] CPU Usage?
Quoting Adam Hobbs [EMAIL PROTECTED]: As long as heat/power is not an issue. 8-)) When has heat ever been an issue in an airconditioned rack in an climate controlled data centre? Having 19°C in the rack and in the datacentre is nice. Having more than 70°C in the 1U case (or even 2U), because of two Athlon 2000MP and not enough fans in the case is not nice. In the same datacentre (19°C) my servers are, they ae some servers constantly beeping in alert for fresh air... David. -- http://gamez.solexine.fr/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: P3 vs P4 vs Athlon was: Re: [hlds_linux] CPU Usage?
As long as heat/power is not an issue. 8-)) David. -- When has heat ever been an issue in an airconditioned rack in an climate controlled data centre? :) mentasm ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: P3 vs P4 vs Athlon was: Re: [hlds_linux] CPU Usage?
On Mon, 2002-11-11 at 15:40, Adam Hobbs wrote: When has heat ever been an issue in an airconditioned rack in an climate controlled data centre? regardless of how well cooled you rack is, internal case temps need kept down. We have just had to upgrade to a 2u case from a 1u with a dual amd system we had to increase cooling (and this is a floor forced aircon rack, in a temp controlled room). ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: P3 vs P4 vs Athlon was: Re: [hlds_linux] CPU Usage?
On Mon, 2002-11-11 at 15:40, Adam Hobbs wrote: When has heat ever been an issue in an airconditioned rack in an climate controlled data centre? regardless of how well cooled you rack is, internal case temps need kept down. We have just had to upgrade to a 2u case from a 1u with a dual amd system we had to increase cooling (and this is a floor forced aircon rack, in a temp controlled room). Sorry, I would never have considered running AMDs in a 1u rack mount regardless. but if you did, I could see that heat could become a small problem, especially if you cramming a few high speed HDDs into that small space as well. Satndard mini tower with front and back fans seems to run at room temp in our data centre. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: P3 vs P4 vs Athlon was: Re: [hlds_linux] CPU Usage?
untill that climate controlled area breaks I had to clean up at a client where that happened once. was not a pretty sight trying to restore the data when we had no documentation on how the servers were set up. and no, we were not the ones in control of the servers before the air conditioning blew. kev -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds_linux-admin;list.valvesoftware.com]On Behalf Of Adam Hobbs Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 9:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: P3 vs P4 vs Athlon was: Re: [hlds_linux] CPU Usage? As long as heat/power is not an issue. 8-)) David. -- When has heat ever been an issue in an airconditioned rack in an climate controlled data centre? :) mentasm ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
