Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Why no Linux Client Support?
From: "Eric (Deacon)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Wouldn't they be stuck, though, if OfficeXP already works on OSX? I'm > not a programmer, but I do see your point. Quick question: if an app > works in OSX on the current hardware, does that app have to be > completely rewritten for a different hardware platform even though it's > still runing in OSX? I believe that yes, that's the case, but... > Yes, software has to be recompiled to run on a different architecture. I think Apple's best option would be to develop their own Office-compatible office suite, either from scratch or in collaboration with some existing effort such as OpenOffice and tell MS to stick it. It'll never happen of course, since Apple are much too cautious and would never take such a risk :) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Why no Linux Client Support?
> Wouldn't they be stuck, though, if OfficeXP already works on OSX? I'm > not a programmer, but I do see your point. Quick question: if an app > works in OSX on the current hardware, does that app have to be > completely rewritten for a different hardware platform even though it's > still runing in OSX? I believe that yes, that's the case, but... It depends how 'raw' the OSX API is - having not seen it myself, I would assume it would be reasonably platform independent. And since Office software shouldn't really rely on any particular feature of the target platform, one would imagine they could recompile it on a different OS X architecture with minimal changes. Note I said recompile (which implies having access to the source); you can't move compiled binaries from one architecture to another and expect it to work. So in conclusion? Rewritten? No. Recompiled? Yes. Although when you're talking about MS software; there's obviously very little difference. Whether MS's software turns up on a particular platform is a business choice, not a programming one. Regards Nathan ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] [OT] Why no Linux Client Support?
> > As for me, OSX working on my AMD AthlonXP means my leaving > MS behind > > forever. In the mean time... > > But of course, Apple's hands are tied, because as soon as > they try to support the x86 platform, Microsoft will withdraw > their application support, meaning no more Office/IE/etc for Mac. Wouldn't they be stuck, though, if OfficeXP already works on OSX? I'm not a programmer, but I do see your point. Quick question: if an app works in OSX on the current hardware, does that app have to be completely rewritten for a different hardware platform even though it's still runing in OSX? I believe that yes, that's the case, but... -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Why no Linux Client Support?
yep. OSX owns. and surprisingly, OSX server is pretty tight too. If they ported to x86 hardware, the competition has the potential to get serious imho. besides, openoffice is pretty damn nice if apple sunk some money into it, they could come out winning when it comes to losing microsoft's application support. but regardless, the apple ibooks and tibooks are just too pimp to want to put osx on an x86 laptop hands down. hehe, I love the articles about putting debian on an ibook. Which reminds me, I need to get cracking on triple booting my powerbook with gentoo kev On Tuesday, June 4, 2002, at 08:15 PM, Simon Garner wrote: > From: "Eric (Deacon)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> As for me, OSX working on my AMD AthlonXP means my leaving MS behind >> forever. In the mean time... >> > > But of course, Apple's hands are tied, because as soon as they try to > support the x86 platform, Microsoft will withdraw their application > support, > meaning no more Office/IE/etc for Mac. > > Damned if they do, damned if they don't. > > -Simon > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Why no Linux Client Support?
From: "Eric (Deacon)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > As for me, OSX working on my AMD AthlonXP means my leaving MS behind > forever. In the mean time... > But of course, Apple's hands are tied, because as soon as they try to support the x86 platform, Microsoft will withdraw their application support, meaning no more Office/IE/etc for Mac. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. -Simon ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Why no Linux Client Support? (was Valves Anti Cheat)
Well, you all have very good points, especially Eric. I always tend to think about companies in the 1st person view, ie:"Would I probably do the same thing, whats best for myself?". The answer is always yes. Anyway, I have to disagree with you on one point Chip. Yes, it is not profitable to try sell something to an open source OS. However, there is a company making, and selling games for Linux. EA. They are currently selling the Sims for linux, albeit at a rediculous price. Thats my $0.03 for now. >From: Chip Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Why no Linux Client Support? (was Valves >Anti Cheat) >Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 11:02:48 -0400 > >-- >On June 04, 2002, Eric (Deacon) sent me the following: > > Heh, that's always funny. "You're a puss if you don't ignore the best > > interests of your business, and instead pour an incredible amount of man > > hours into a big hole in the ground: a 4 year old (plus?) engine > > designed from the start to run on Windows being rewritten to function on > > a server OS that a tiny handful of people have adapted for use as a > > desktop OS." Stan, it's just not practical. I don't know where you get > > off insinuating that Valve has neither "vision" nor "guts". That makes > > me mad, man. You want to kick their dog while you're here? Working > > personally with the WineX people is already way beyond the call of duty, > > and I'm surprised at your attitude. Overall, Valve has done--and > > continues to do--a kickass job in a harsh market. Don't be getting down > > on them because they care more about feeding their families than making > > a handful of die-hard linux freaks happy... > >Let's not forget that the only company to actively port games to Linux >went under. I just don't think there's a market for selling games to a >tiny fraction of the population who is used to getting everything for >free. > >Linux has been traditionally associated with hackers, and hackers with >pirates, which doesn't help matters any. > >-- >Chip Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.chocobo.cx/chip/ >GCM/CS d+(-) s+:++ a20>? C++ UB$ P+++$ L- E--- W++ N@ o K- w O M+ >V-- PS+ PE Y+ PGP++ t+@ R@ tv@ b++@ DI D+(-) G++ e>++ h>++ r++ y? >-- >[ Content of type application/pgp-signature deleted ] >___ >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >please visit: >http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Why no Linux Client Support? (was Valves Anti Cheat)
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Get the WineX developed by the guys Erik sent you. VAC doesn't look for files. It checks the memory. What you guys think of looking what has been sent than always asking the same questions over and over again... http://www.transgaming.com/showthread.php?news=35 That's the link of the Wine you need (or at least how you need to configure it) At 15:58 04/06/2002 +0100, you wrote: >does anyone actually know what code 0 is. > >Does anyone know what files the anti cheat scans, so i can put them in >the right place. > >? >I need to play cs again > > > >___ >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >please visit: >http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux Visit http://cs.fuctnetwork.com for Up-To-Date Half-Life News -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Why no Linux Client Support? (was Valves Anti Cheat)
-- On June 04, 2002, Eric (Deacon) sent me the following: > Heh, that's always funny. "You're a puss if you don't ignore the best > interests of your business, and instead pour an incredible amount of man > hours into a big hole in the ground: a 4 year old (plus?) engine > designed from the start to run on Windows being rewritten to function on > a server OS that a tiny handful of people have adapted for use as a > desktop OS." Stan, it's just not practical. I don't know where you get > off insinuating that Valve has neither "vision" nor "guts". That makes > me mad, man. You want to kick their dog while you're here? Working > personally with the WineX people is already way beyond the call of duty, > and I'm surprised at your attitude. Overall, Valve has done--and > continues to do--a kickass job in a harsh market. Don't be getting down > on them because they care more about feeding their families than making > a handful of die-hard linux freaks happy... Let's not forget that the only company to actively port games to Linux went under. I just don't think there's a market for selling games to a tiny fraction of the population who is used to getting everything for free. Linux has been traditionally associated with hackers, and hackers with pirates, which doesn't help matters any. -- Chip Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.chocobo.cx/chip/ GCM/CS d+(-) s+:++ a20>? C++ UB$ P+++$ L- E--- W++ N@ o K- w O M+ V-- PS+ PE Y+ PGP++ t+@ R@ tv@ b++@ DI D+(-) G++ e>++ h>++ r++ y? -- [ Content of type application/pgp-signature deleted ] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Why no Linux Client Support? (was Valves AntiCheat)
does anyone actually know what code 0 is. Does anyone know what files the anti cheat scans, so i can put them in the right place. ? I need to play cs again ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] [OT] Why no Linux Client Support?
> > > LINUX IS THE FUTURE! AND IT REALY SHOULD BE! > > > > Oh, is it? And I thought we were just waiting for FreeBSD to get a > > more userfriendly installation and setup program. ;) > > It's called OS X I really do look forward to the day when the dolts at Apple pull their heads out and stop *only* building on proprietary platforms. As long as their going to continue to be charging outrageous amounts of money for almost the same performance and a very limited software base, they're going to do poorly. If it weren't for college girls and Californians buying the iMac because it was "cute", they'd be hell and gone by now... As for me, OSX working on my AMD AthlonXP means my leaving MS behind forever. In the mean time... -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] [OT] Why no Linux Client Support? (was Valves Anti Cheat)
Guys just low it. I think this topic has been finished at least 20 posts ago (with the post of Erik). At 09:44 04/06/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > same shit... > > that i use windows @ work does not mean i use it @home > >*sigh* Again, since you're obviously even more confused than I thought: >the survey is conducted after patching the HL client--on the machine on >which the client is patched--no matter which "@" you're installing it >on... > >-- >Eric (the Deacon remix) > > >___ >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >please visit: >http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux Visit http://cs.fuctnetwork.com for Up-To-Date Half-Life News ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] [OT] Why no Linux Client Support? (was Valves Anti Cheat)
> same shit... > that i use windows @ work does not mean i use it @home *sigh* Again, since you're obviously even more confused than I thought: the survey is conducted after patching the HL client--on the machine on which the client is patched--no matter which "@" you're installing it on... -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] [OT] Why no Linux Client Support? (was Valves Anti Cheat)
> I use IE on my desktop system @ work. > doest this mean that my server is winXP ? > > NO, i use a FreeBSD 4.5 server.. so these stats are crappy as hell. Um, since you're confused: the stats have nothing to do with what OS servers are being run on, they're about the clients on which the games are being installed. Maybe I have an OSX box up my nose or taped to the ceiling...that doesn't affect what I'm using to game ;) -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] [OT] Why no Linux Client Support? (was Valves Anti Cheat)
> It's this kind of mindset that is limiting the penetration of > Linux on the desktop. It takes a company leader with vision > and guts to take a chance. Heh, that's always funny. "You're a puss if you don't ignore the best interests of your business, and instead pour an incredible amount of man hours into a big hole in the ground: a 4 year old (plus?) engine designed from the start to run on Windows being rewritten to function on a server OS that a tiny handful of people have adapted for use as a desktop OS." Stan, it's just not practical. I don't know where you get off insinuating that Valve has neither "vision" nor "guts". That makes me mad, man. You want to kick their dog while you're here? Working personally with the WineX people is already way beyond the call of duty, and I'm surprised at your attitude. Overall, Valve has done--and continues to do--a kickass job in a harsh market. Don't be getting down on them because they care more about feeding their families than making a handful of die-hard linux freaks happy... Here's an additional thought: it's going to take a very large corporation with the R&D muscle in software development to really make linux a half-way viable alternative as a desktop OS (which it is NOT, now, for the vast majority of computer users), especially since stockholders aren't necessarily going to be thrilled about an opensource project. You can have your Disney-esque melodrama, David and Goliath, little guys on the side of "right" versus the "evil corporate empire" (I'm so tired of that phrase). But if your little guys care more about "principle" than the harsh reality of the demands of a free-market, your little guys aren't going to ever be around long enough to become the big guys. I know you know this, Stan. Please don't keep your head in the clouds on this issue. We need you here on earth ;) -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Why no Linux Client Support?
On Tue, Jun 04, 2002 at 10:51:47AM +0200, Florian Zschocke wrote: > From: "[dgc]splaTTer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > LINUX IS THE FUTURE! AND IT REALY SHOULD BE! > > Oh, is it? And I thought we were just waiting for FreeBSD to get a > more userfriendly installation and setup program. ;) It's called OS X -- Casper Gielen [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Linux sucks twice as fast and 10 times more reliably, and since you have the source, it's your fault. -Ca1v1n ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
