Re: [hlds_linux] Already there is a HL2 online exploit....VALVE please fix!
It's not like that information is secret or anything, anyone who wants to find out will find out. -Original Message- From: Peter Kirby[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11/20/04 9:39:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Already there is a HL2 online exploitVALVE please fix! On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:08:19 +1030, Melissa Carley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valve... Already there is a HL2 online exploit...someone from what I can gather can basically get a warez type release of the game and crack it so that they can play online without a valid steam id or some description like that. As a game admin - this could be an issue, especially with banning...etc... Here is a copy of the NFO regarding how to apparently do this. I have not tested this out and i do not intend for anyone else to either. I would like Valve to investigate this and patch it ASAP. [SNIP] I'm not convinced posting the workaround here is very helpful. It would have been far better to mail Alfred directly first. Now a lot more people know about the exploit. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux [Message truncated. Tap Edit-Mark for Download to get remaining portion.] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Already there is a HL2 online exploit....VALVE please fix!
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 10:00:50 -0500, Brandon Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not like that information is secret or anything, anyone who wants to find out will find out. My argument isn't against that. My point is that yes the information is out there. But by reporting it here you are introducing it to a potential new audience and not only that since the email list is also published on a web page also indexed the exploit's instructions on umpteen web indexes for anyone to search hence making yet another source for the information. In this case I doubt it matters.. But ideally the email should be sent direct to valve employees to be honest because. A summary of the problem and protection instructions *IF* an exploit effects normal server operators should of course be posted to the list. I just disagree with posting instructions on the exploit itself. Especially as in this case it does not really concern server operators as such. It all goes back to the good old saying. With Knowledge comes responsibility. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Already there is a HL2 online exploit....VALVE please fix!
The information was already public, Sure it was public on warez sites or whatever but why spread it ? You actively have to search for those things, people don't need it delivering to their inboxes. and other than valve who cares if some people get HL2 for free, it doesnt effect my ability to play it. It will do if Valve go bust or dissolve due to not making enough returns on their products. I actually want to see HL3. I am assuming you are a server admin also, in which case it affects you directly as the method unlocks cs:s and dod:s also which lets people play for free. Add one hacker to that on a dynamic ip and they can give any admin a hard time. Maybe thatll be the key to getting valve off their fat lazy asses, remove the donuts from their mouths, and actually deliver us a product worth paying for. Are you insane ? Either way you are an idiot. Go read a gaming site news page or something you cretin. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeremy Brooking The information was already public, and other than valve who cares if some people get HL2 for free, it doesnt effect my ability to play it. Maybe thatll be the key to getting valve off their fat lazy asses, remove the donuts from their mouths, and actually deliver us a product worth paying for. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux *** This e-mail and its attachments are confidential and are intended for the above named recipient only. If this has come to you in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail from your system. You must take no action based on this, nor must you copy or disclose it or any part of its contents to any person or organisation. Statements and opinions contained in this email may not necessarily represent those of Littlewoods. Please note that e-mail communications may be monitored. The registered office of Littlewoods Limited and its subsidiaries is 100 Old Hall Street, Liverpool, L70 1AB. Registered number of Littlewoods Limited is 262152. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Already there is a HL2 online exploit....VALVE please fix!
Once you know it exists it's pretty easy to find flawless instructions to implement it, though I'm positive VALVe is trying to correct the issues, it's just a complex task. Believe it or not, there are some flaws in systems that are extremely difficult to fix, whether it's a flaw in Windows or the program you're creating (or the language you write it in). I reckon VALVe are doing a pretty damn good job so far, even if there is that nagging issue. With the dynamic IP thing, you should probably ban the IP range for a time. Not entire sure if SRCDS supports this, but I'm sure there's a mod for HLDS that supports it. And yeah, I'm inclined to agree with the last statement ;) - Bruce Bahamut Andrews McCormack, Chris wrote: The information was already public, Sure it was public on warez sites or whatever but why spread it ? You actively have to search for those things, people don't need it delivering to their inboxes. and other than valve who cares if some people get HL2 for free, it doesnt effect my ability to play it. It will do if Valve go bust or dissolve due to not making enough returns on their products. I actually want to see HL3. I am assuming you are a server admin also, in which case it affects you directly as the method unlocks cs:s and dod:s also which lets people play for free. Add one hacker to that on a dynamic ip and they can give any admin a hard time. Maybe thatll be the key to getting valve off their fat lazy asses, remove the donuts from their mouths, and actually deliver us a product worth paying for. Are you insane ? Either way you are an idiot. Go read a gaming site news page or something you cretin. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeremy Brooking The information was already public, and other than valve who cares if some people get HL2 for free, it doesnt effect my ability to play it. Maybe thatll be the key to getting valve off their fat lazy asses, remove the donuts from their mouths, and actually deliver us a product worth paying for. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux *** This e-mail and its attachments are confidential and are intended for the above named recipient only. If this has come to you in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail from your system. You must take no action based on this, nor must you copy or disclose it or any part of its contents to any person or organisation. Statements and opinions contained in this email may not necessarily represent those of Littlewoods. Please note that e-mail communications may be monitored. The registered office of Littlewoods Limited and its subsidiaries is 100 Old Hall Street, Liverpool, L70 1AB. Registered number of Littlewoods Limited is 262152. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Already there is a HL2 online exploit....VALVE please fix!
Valve Cracks Down on 20,000 Users http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/23/1723232 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Already there is a HL2 online exploit....VALVE please fix!
McCormack, Chris wrote: Entering a cdkey in to steam for hl2 and then ripping out your net connection. I don't see how this method could be possibly fixed without some sort of rewrite of the authorisation handling code for steam (which I am assuming is no small task). I don't think it was wise to post this to the list as any fix that is in the pipeline could be a while away and it doesn't matter how many people you 'educate' to the unlocking method, it won't get it fixed any quicker. IF you were posting a game exploit or a hack etc then that's understandable but this type of post is just idiotic and I am sure any Valve employee that read your post felt that little bit sicker about their product getting ripped off by even more people. For someone who thinks 'He knows best' you think you'd bother to wrap your lines. The information was already public, and other than valve who cares if some people get HL2 for free, it doesnt effect my ability to play it. Maybe thatll be the key to getting valve off their fat lazy asses, remove the donuts from their mouths, and actually deliver us a product worth paying for. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Already there is a HL2 online exploit....VALVE please fix!
--On Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:49 AM +1300 Jeremy Brooking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe thatll be the key to getting valve off their fat lazy asses, remove the donuts from their mouths, and actually deliver us a product worth paying for. Lazy they're NOT. They just focus more on eye candy than defensive programming, and in this case it's Valve's bottom line that will suffer. The information was already public, and other than valve who cares if some people get HL2 for free, it doesnt effect my ability to play it. True, if it only affects offline play. Does this exploit affect online play? That would make it it impossible to effectively ban problem players. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Already there is a HL2 online exploit....VALVE please fix!
ScratchMonkey wrote: True, if it only affects offline play. Does this exploit affect online play? That would make it it impossible to effectively ban problem players. Well since hl2 isnt a multiplayer game... I'll have a wild stab in the dark here, and say it doesnt effect anyone elses gaming experience. If anyones going to complain about this person posting this information to the list, the bitching should be about its lack of relation to linux, than what harm its going to cause the gaming community. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Already there is a HL2 online exploit....VALVE please fix!
cs:s? dod:s? hello? On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:32:06 +1300, Jeremy Brooking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ScratchMonkey wrote: True, if it only affects offline play. Does this exploit affect online play? That would make it it impossible to effectively ban problem players. Well since hl2 isnt a multiplayer game... I'll have a wild stab in the dark here, and say it doesnt effect anyone elses gaming experience. If anyones going to complain about this person posting this information to the list, the bitching should be about its lack of relation to linux, than what harm its going to cause the gaming community. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- Cheers! -- Elmer Fudd ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Already there is a HL2 online exploit....VALVE please fix!
Elmer Fudd wrote: cs:s? dod:s? hello? Oh you mean the game thats had working cracked versions public for months... and the game which hasnt been released? Yeah this additional info about hl2 sure changes the current situation with those games doesnt it *yawn* ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Already there is a HL2 online exploit....VALVE please fix!
Umm...yes it would affect online play if you read my original post.This allows people to play HL2 online (ie Source) without logging on via Steam...which means that apart from banning via IP - it would be nearly impossible to admin. This is the ONLY reason why I brought this up - not just for valve to fix but for other admins to be aware of what could happen on their server. On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:22:58 -0500, Elmer Fudd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cs:s? dod:s? hello? On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:32:06 +1300, Jeremy Brooking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ScratchMonkey wrote: True, if it only affects offline play. Does this exploit affect online play? That would make it it impossible to effectively ban problem players. Well since hl2 isnt a multiplayer game... I'll have a wild stab in the dark here, and say it doesnt effect anyone elses gaming experience. If anyones going to complain about this person posting this information to the list, the bitching should be about its lack of relation to linux, than what harm its going to cause the gaming community. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux -- Cheers! -- Elmer Fudd ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Already there is a HL2 online exploit....VALVE please fix!
The only reason i posted it was to ensure that something gets done. The extent that it was easy to find was what was troublesome. I am an admin on a server - so I also wanted to make any other admins aware of any potential problems. I figure that with the brains that would be available on this mailing list, that someone would be able to come up with a useful solution. On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 12:04:23 +1000, Bruce Bahamut Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Kirby wrote: On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:08:19 +1030, Melissa Carley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valve... Already there is a HL2 online exploit...someone from what I can gather can basically get a warez type release of the game and crack it so that they can play online without a valid steam id or some description like that. As a game admin - this could be an issue, especially with banning...etc... Here is a copy of the NFO regarding how to apparently do this. I have not tested this out and i do not intend for anyone else to either. I would like Valve to investigate this and patch it ASAP. [SNIP] I'm not convinced posting the workaround here is very helpful. It would have been far better to mail Alfred directly first. Now a lot more people know about the exploit. Everyone already knew about it anyway, it's been out for months. -- - Bruce Bahamut Andrews ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Already there is a HL2 online exploit....VALVE please fix!
Melissa Carley wrote: The only reason i posted it was to ensure that something gets done. The extent that it was easy to find was what was troublesome. I am an admin on a server - so I also wanted to make any other admins aware of any potential problems. I figure that with the brains that would be available on this mailing list, that someone would be able to come up with a useful solution. Yeah, that's cool. I've discovered you're better off emailing Alfred for direct answers to bugs, though with this kind of issue letting the server admins know that it exists and that IP banning is a more effective solution then steamid banning at the moment is a good idea, so thanks =) -- - Bruce Bahamut Andrews ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Already there is a HL2 online exploit....VALVE please fix!
On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:02:33 +1000, Bruce Bahamut Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Melissa Carley wrote: The only reason i posted it was to ensure that something gets done. The extent that it was easy to find was what was troublesome. I am an admin on a server - so I also wanted to make any other admins aware of any potential problems. I figure that with the brains that would be available on this mailing list, that someone would be able to come up with a useful solution. Yeah, that's cool. I've discovered you're better off emailing Alfred for direct answers to bugs, though with this kind of issue letting the server admins know that it exists and that IP banning is a more effective solution then steamid banning at the moment is a good idea, so thanks =) Indeed, but when you got someone making new IDs all day and they have dynamic IP adsl.. You're pretty much helpless :( I just do a 24 hour IP ban these days for dynamics and hope they're too dumb to see what's happened. This is for CS1.6 as well :-/ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Already there is a HL2 online exploit....VALVE please fix!
On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 12:04:23 +1000, Bruce Bahamut Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Kirby wrote: On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:08:19 +1030, Melissa Carley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valve... Already there is a HL2 online exploit...someone from what I can gather can basically get a warez type release of the game and crack it so that they can play online without a valid steam id or some description like that. As a game admin - this could be an issue, especially with banning...etc... Here is a copy of the NFO regarding how to apparently do this. I have not tested this out and i do not intend for anyone else to either. I would like Valve to investigate this and patch it ASAP. [SNIP] I'm not convinced posting the workaround here is very helpful. It would have been far better to mail Alfred directly first. Now a lot more people know about the exploit. Everyone already knew about it anyway, it's been out for months. Well I don't think EVERYONE knows about it.. Or else every cheater on earth would be using the infinite ID trick.. Whereas I'm still catching cheats on old ID's. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Already there is a HL2 online exploit....VALVE please fix!
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:08:19 +1030, Melissa Carley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valve... Already there is a HL2 online exploit...someone from what I can gather can basically get a warez type release of the game and crack it so that they can play online without a valid steam id or some description like that. As a game admin - this could be an issue, especially with banning...etc... Here is a copy of the NFO regarding how to apparently do this. I have not tested this out and i do not intend for anyone else to either. I would like Valve to investigate this and patch it ASAP. [SNIP] I'm not convinced posting the workaround here is very helpful. It would have been far better to mail Alfred directly first. Now a lot more people know about the exploit. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Already there is a HL2 online exploit....VALVE please fix!
They'll fix it - seems like when Steam was first live - people could create multiple accounts - but they caught up with 'em and killed 'em. - Original Message - From: Peter Kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Already there is a HL2 online exploitVALVE please fix! On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:08:19 +1030, Melissa Carley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valve... Already there is a HL2 online exploit...someone from what I can gather can basically get a warez type release of the game and crack it so that they can play online without a valid steam id or some description like that. As a game admin - this could be an issue, especially with banning...etc... Here is a copy of the NFO regarding how to apparently do this. I have not tested this out and i do not intend for anyone else to either. I would like Valve to investigate this and patch it ASAP. [SNIP] I'm not convinced posting the workaround here is very helpful. It would have been far better to mail Alfred directly first. Now a lot more people know about the exploit. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Already there is a HL2 online exploit....VALVE please fix!
Peter Kirby wrote: On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:08:19 +1030, Melissa Carley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valve... Already there is a HL2 online exploit...someone from what I can gather can basically get a warez type release of the game and crack it so that they can play online without a valid steam id or some description like that. As a game admin - this could be an issue, especially with banning...etc... Here is a copy of the NFO regarding how to apparently do this. I have not tested this out and i do not intend for anyone else to either. I would like Valve to investigate this and patch it ASAP. [SNIP] I'm not convinced posting the workaround here is very helpful. It would have been far better to mail Alfred directly first. Now a lot more people know about the exploit. Everyone already knew about it anyway, it's been out for months. -- - Bruce Bahamut Andrews ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
