Re: [Hornlist] Asthma and the horn
I have asthma and yes, it can be tough on the lungs for me. I find that I will have trouble playing loud for an extended amount of time. Also, on my old school horn, there was a mold, or mildew, I can't really remember, that was growing on the inside (gross, I know) that was actually making the asthma worse for me. I assume that you take a prevental asthma medicine as well. All I can say is that, yes, the horn can make asthma worse, but I wouldn't worry too much. Even if you take the Albuterol right before you start, that should get you through the entire time. I know that I always bring it to rehearsals, just in case. I hope this helps. Mike Scheimer, Pittsburgh ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Asthma and the horn
Kerri, I have had mild asthema for more than ten years. I find that I have the most trouble when I'm not playing the horn!! If I lay off for a couple of days, I really start to feel the tightness and fluid in my chest. In fact, as a former high school band director, I often had beginning band students whose doctor told them to start playing a wind instrument in order to develop better breathing habits and to clear the lungs. Still, ask your doctor, just to make sure. Wilbert Kimple Retired Faculty Converse College School of Music Spartanburg SC ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Asthma and the horn
I am certainly no doctor, but I have some experience in this area. Both my boys have mild asthmatic conditions, one plays both tuba and hockey, and my wife's a physician so I get some inside scoop on these issues. Consult your doctor about other inhalation therapies that can be used on a regular basis either in conjunction with or instead of Albuterol. For example, my son is also on Flovent as a daily therapy. Used regularly, it greatly reduces his need for Albuterol. On another cautionary note, tell your doctor HOW MUCH Albuterol you are using. Too much Albuterol can not be good for you. Like any other drug, at some point it's no longer a medicine but a poison. I endorse the other suggestion about a regular cleaning of your horn. You can do most of the work yourself with a good mouthpipe snake and mouthpiece brush. And regularly vacuum your case. Make sure all the water is out of your horn before you put it away (good advice for anyone), and even though I normally do not recommend this, use a mouthpipe cap to keep water from spilling into your case. This will help keep down molds and mildews in your case. You may have reactions to the lubricants you use, as well. Consider changing your lubricant to Spacefiller, but have the horn chemically cleaned before you do. I normally do not recommend Spacefiller, but this is not a normal situation. If you react badly to Spacefiller, then try another lubricant regimen. You might also try a regular use of a respiratory function device, such as a Breath Builder, but only do this after consulting your physician. This is not appropriate therapy for everyone, especially if you have asthma. All suggestions. Change your lubricant last, see your doctor first. Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited, Inc. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] mozart 2
Joseph, I did a google search using - mozart horn concerto analysis and got several hits, including the one below http://www.lib.utk.edu/~music/analysis/antab22.html Also searched using - mozart horn concerto performance analysis and got several hits, including http://otto.cmr.fsu.edu/~psychmus/ab15.html A critical part of choosing the topic for a research paper is that there is adequate existing material for you to use as background - compare / contrast / etc. Also it is necessary for the scope of the topic to be suitable for the amount of time and written pages that it will receive. You might consider discussing Mozart HC2 in comparison with his other HC, and in comparison with his concerti for other solo wind instruments. Do additional searches for suitable reference / background material, and adjust the specific topic to one that is do-able. Maybe talk some more with your teacher about this, the teacher probably is not expecting you to discover some astonishing new information about the topic. The goal of the paper is probably to show that you can do proper research, choose reliable sources (and make sure you discover and reference the major well-known sources, discover similar and contrary opinions, and organize and construct your paper so that it makes sense to read. Jay Kosta Endwell NY USA - joseph fuller [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: I am doing a ten page form analysis of the mozart 2. My teacher (music history) asked if I could get at least five sources ,other than the piece, for the paper. Does any body have any suggestionson where to find some sources on the mozart 2 analysis. thank you. joseph fuller henderson state university ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Asthma and the horn
Kerri, as Wilbert said allready, playing a wind instrument , even recorder, means forced or controlled breathing, which is an excellent means of help for the asthmatic. But, but, but: if you practice three hours a day, it might be a bit too much, depending how you practise. You should first concentrate your efforts to cure your asthma. Long notes, long notes, but with sense: leaving off the extremes (high very low, extrem strong dynamic), regular short intervalls, sometimes a longer interval when you could do other music work instead (a bit on the piano or keyboard or writing or reading). Do some easy pieces, easy quite shorter pieces, again without extremes, some etudes, but without the (often too interesting) challenges. Your asthma will be thankful for that be reduced or mildered. Pack away your ambitions keep them for the time your asthma is cured or mildered. If you get the asthma into your grip or if you get cured of it completely, you might start again dreaming of becoming a horn player, then work work work see the results. If they are godd excellent (not after your or your friends opinion, but after the strange listeners or critical listeners opinion), you might consider climbing upwards looking for chances. If your target is to become an engaged amateur player, well, your asthma should not be a problem that should stop you. You might become an excellent amateur player despite your asthma, if you observe the rules - avoiding too much challenge is often wise, if there is a little handicap. Nobody should call you a coward because you have to care about asthma. Try to get your asthma under control without drug - or take these drugs as a last help if you are attacked heavily by your asthma. Try better to control it through breathing exercises including the horn playing. Remember: playing every fortissimo as loud as possible is NOT A VIRTUE, it is SILLY ANTI MUSICAL. Not breaking up a very long phrase or a long held note into two parts (breath upbeat-wise) is not smart. The smart people avoid the lung stress. Good luck ! .. kerri davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Hi, everyone! I have asthma and have been going through Albuterol faster than normal lately. I'm not sure what it is, but my parents are convinced it's the fact that I practice three hours a day. Please tell me that horn playing doesn't hurt asthma conditions! Please tell me that there are professional horn players with asthma! All you MD's,r anyone else with this condition, can you offer any advice? Thank you, Brittany Davies, Fort Myers, FL ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de -- Prof.Hans Pizka email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel.: +49 89 903 9548 - www.pizka.de (horn site) with connections to www.pizka.de/Pizka-music.html (publications) - www.pizka.de/PizClasHr.htm (instruments, mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/PizWrHorn.htm (Viennese Horns) - www.pizka.de/mpiece.htm (mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/Pizka-travel.htm (pictures, stories, experiences from my travel) - open soon mail is virus checked ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Need a reccomendation for school horns
My two cents worth: (I'm assuming these horns are for high school students?) I am a big Conn 8D (Holton 188) advocate - if this is a private party purchasing the instrument intending to continue to college (or further). The throat and bell are so large on these models, however, that the average school student will have a very difficult time filling up the horn, controlling pitch, etc. If I were buying instruments for instiutional use, I'd look at the Holtion 179. Much smaller throat and bell make it easy for any player to focus and sound good on. I agree that SOME of the holtons do sound 'trombonish', but those are mostly the student models (378). As any hornist, I certainly would not purchase Jupiter or any chinese or off-brand instrument. The Yamaha students models are notorious for terrible intonation and rotors; be careful if you choose to go that route. Sonja Reynolds ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] NHR
Ok, I work in a music library and we're trying to track down something. A patron is trying to find out what song is sung at the end of the television series Zweite Heimat. In the scene, the characters start singing a song in imitation of conservatory students, so he believes it is from the classical Lied repertory. We've had various people listen to the tape he provided (which he made from the TV), and we've gone through numerous song indexes. Our folks think it is a folk song. One of our voice faculty (who is fluent in German and spent many years singing in Europe) believes it is a folk song. The first line of text is roughly translated as, The sun shines so cold, so cold. And flowers fade and life grows old... Does anyone remember having seen this series and what that song might be? Amy (looking for a needle in a haystack) ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Asthma and the horn
In a message dated 2/19/03 6:22:18 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please tell me that horn playing doesn't hurt asthma conditions! Please tell me that there are professional horn players with asthma! All you MD's,r anyone else with this condition, can you offer any advice? Thank you, Brittany Davies, Fort Myers, FL It may well be of comfort to know that Phil Farkas was asthmatic. Cordially, Paul Mansur ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Need a reccomendation for school horns
That's not one of those unplayable Blessing-Getzen compensating double horns, is it? You know, the ones that force the left thumb too far back because of how the tubing radiates off the 4th valve, placing way too much load on the left pinky. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. One horn to bear in mind is the Getzen Capri 561 (http://www.osmun.com/prod/Getzen/getzen_horn.htm). It's made by Hoyer with a slightly heavier bell for student use. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] I Should Have Clicked The Link
If I'd clicked the link before posing the question I would have seen right away that the horn Bob recommended is a different model entirely from those unplayable Blessing-Getzen compensating doubles. -AC. ~~ That's not one of those unplayable Blessing-Getzen compensating double horns, is it? One horn to bear in mind is the Getzen Capri 561 (http://www.osmun.com/prod/Getzen/getzen_horn.htm). ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Need a reccomendation for school horns
As a technician/player I'd go with the Yamaha 667/668 or an earlier used model. The Holton 178/179's of course will always do fine. All of these models are tried and tested (unlike the Getzen). Good luck! Ken Pope Just Put Your Lips Together And Blow Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham Street Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 617-522-0532 ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Asthma and the horn
Hi Brittany and List, At the risk of being redundant I'd would generally concur with the respondents to this topic. I have been a relatively severe asthmatic for over 30 years and if anything, playing the horn has definitely helped my breathing. That being said there seems to be something else going on here. First and foremost, let me disclaim I am not a doctor nor do I play one on tv! What I'm telling you is from my own experience. Albuterol, the generic name for Proventil and others, is used as a rescue inhaler, that is, you generally use it to force open the airways once an attack begins. Also, albuterol is usually prescribed in conjunction with an anti-inflammatory and an antivasalconstictor, either in the form of pills or inhalers, examples of the inhaled form include Flovent and Serevent. There are some new inhalers on the market as well. It would probably be a good idea to discuss a treatment program soon. Also, it might not hurt to get a second opinion from a pulomonologist as well. Another piece of the treatment puzzle is to discover what the triggers are for your asthma. Some of mine include(d) exercise and animal dander. As for exercise, during the first few minutes (as much as thirty) of vigorous exercise would trigger the beginnings of an attack. If I really felt like I was in trouble, I would use the inhaler, but generally after a few minutes, the paroxysms would subside and I would continue with my exercise. As for allergens, you will need to find a way to deal with them. Molds can be one of the worst allergens around. Since retiring from teaching and now working in the museum field, molds are a very hot topic. Some very benign looking sources can carry spores of some of the most deadly molds, especially if they are ones to which you or others might be highly allergic. Keeping your mouthpiece, mouthpipe, and case clean are paramount in this regard. Again, this is a topic you will want to pursue with your physician and/or a pulmonologist and you'll want to do it soon. Best wishes for happy horn playing. Dana Twiss Litchfield, Maine ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] NHR
Thanks to those sending me that link. I had already found it and sent it on to the patron... I don't think it answered his question, though. A. At 03:29 PM 2/19/2003 -0500, you wrote: A HREF=http://reinder.rustema.nl/heimat/music.html;Die Zweite Heimat - Music/A I hope that this helps... Mike Scheimer, Pittsburgh ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/amy-mcbeth%40uiowa.edu ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Need a reccomendation for school horns
Ken: I wasn't aware one could get 667s/668s for around $2000. Who is offering this price right now? (I'm Interested on behalf of my students.) Scott Pappal --- Kenneth Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a technician/player I'd go with the Yamaha 667/668 or an earlier used model. The Holton 178/179's of course will always do fine. All of these models are tried and tested (unlike the Getzen). Good luck! Ken Pope Just Put Your Lips Together And Blow Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham Street Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 617-522-0532 ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hornhog%40yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] NHR
Send me a MP3 file I will try to find out. I remember the production but not the song. . Amy Jo McBeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Ok, I work in a music library and we're trying to track down something. A patron is trying to find out what song is sung at the end of the television series Zweite Heimat. In the scene, the characters start singing a song in imitation of conservatory students, so he believes it is from the classical Lied repertory. We've had various people listen to the tape he provided (which he made from the TV), and we've gone through numerous song indexes. Our folks think it is a folk song. One of our voice faculty (who is fluent in German and spent many years singing in Europe) believes it is a folk song. The first line of text is roughly translated as, The sun shines so cold, so cold. And flowers fade and life grows old... Does anyone remember having seen this series and what that song might be? Amy (looking for a needle in a haystack) ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de -- Prof.Hans Pizka email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel.: +49 89 903 9548 - www.pizka.de (horn site) with connections to www.pizka.de/Pizka-music.html (publications) - www.pizka.de/PizClasHr.htm (instruments, mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/PizWrHorn.htm (Viennese Horns) - www.pizka.de/mpiece.htm (mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/Pizka-travel.htm (pictures, stories, experiences from my travel) - open soon mail is virus checked ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Need a reccomendation for school horns
Bob: I hadn't heard of this horn before. How does it compare to the Yamaha 567 or 667, or the Conn 10Ds in terms of playability and response. I ask because I have a large number of students, and I always have at least one or two students looking for entry-level/intermediate-level double horns. Also, what's the approximate pricing of the horn? Thanks, Scott Pappal P.S. I thought this would be of general interest. --- Robert Osmun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kipp- One horn to bear in mind is the Getzen Capri 561 (http://www.osmun.com/prod/Getzen/getzen_horn.htm). It's made by Hoyer with a slightly heavier bell for student use. It's got a good scale and plays very responsively. All the notes are there. The case is a Pro-Tec. Bob Osmun www.osmun.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kipp Johnson Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 6:46 PM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Need a reccomendation for school horns Hi List, I was approached today by my band director. He wanted advice about what kind of horn to buy for the school. He has about $2000 (maybe a little more) set aside to get a horn, and doesn't know much about the market right now. This is for a high school band. Currently they have two Holton 179s and three yamaha marching horns. All five of those horns are around 30 years old. Any advice is welcome. Thanks in Advance! -Kipp Johnson __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/rosmun%40osmun.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hornhog%40yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Oil port
In the Getzen description it says The mechanical linkages and oil ports in the bearing plates make this horn extremely easy to maintain. Could one drill a oil port in an 8-D bearing plate to facilitate oiling? Why isn't this more common? CORdially, Luke Zyla email [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Alan Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Horn List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 5:20 PM Subject: [Hornlist] I Should Have Clicked The Link If I'd clicked the link before posing the question I would have seen right away that the horn Bob recommended is a different model entirely from those unplayable Blessing-Getzen compensating doubles. -AC. ~~ That's not one of those unplayable Blessing-Getzen compensating double horns, is it? One horn to bear in mind is the Getzen Capri 561 (http://www.osmun.com/prod/Getzen/getzen_horn.htm). ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lzyla%40charter.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Grand Canard
Bob Dickow wants everybody to describe the biggest 'conard' that you yourselves have either personally executed or witnessed in a performance, recorded, live, or otherwise ... Boston Symphony Orchestra, live performance, probably a Friday afternoon concert (I was a student then) c. 1958 - 1961. I think those were Munch years, just before Leinsdorf. It was a Mozart Symphony, I don't recall which, but I think it was lightly orchestrated, no trumpets or tympani. The two horn players were 3rd and 4th, not principal and second. Everyone but they skipped the recap, and so a quiet development passage began with a powerful blast by two horns, in octaves. I have forgotten much, but never the look of utter confusion and dismay on those two faces. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Upcoming Mozart performance
A note to any hornlister in the Kansas City area that I will be performing Mozart's Horn Concerto No. 3 this Saturday evening, Feb. 22nd, with the St. Joseph Symphony. The concert is at 8:00 pm and is at the Missouri Theatre in St. Joseph, Missouri. This all Mozart concert will also include a performance of the Sinfonia Concertante for winds and Orchestra. Peter Jilka Kansas City, MO ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Upload: A Heinrich Sch ütz Sinfonia for 5 horn plus optional soloists and continuo
Thanks to all of you for your great interest in my uploads! Sadly there yet again is a line-up of applicants not identifying themselves. Of course I should be proud, when people reckon, that I can remember each and every mail address of contributors to this list. But honestly: that is beyond my capabilities. Since last I have been presented with a sheer unbelievable generosity towards my project of uploading music files and brass instruments' illustrations. A new and better server platform of a very considerable size has been given to me for free. You will all be informed, when I have re-caught my breath and have learned how utilise that wonderful opportunity. But as I am a slow learner in computer matters the current manifestations of my project for some foreseeable future will be found at these sites: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/YorkMasterBBb/files/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/YorkMasterPublicPhotosIII/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/YorkMasterPublicPhotosIV/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/YorkMasterPublicPhotosV/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/YorkMasterPublicPhotosVI/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/YorkMasterPublicPhotosVII/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/YorkMasterPublicPhotosVIII/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/YorkMasterPublicPhotosIX/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/YorkMasterPublicPhotosX/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/YorkMasterPublicPhotosXI/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/YorkMasterPublicPhotosXII/ The most recent music file will be presented by its preface below here. It can be found at these pages (the file size is 287 KB): http://groups.yahoo.com/group/YorkMasterBBb/files/ or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/YorkMasterBBb/files/Sch%80%A0%A0%FCtz%20Jesu%2 07%20Worte%20Horn%205.pdf Enjoy! Klaus Sinfonia from ³Die sieben Worte Jesu Christi am Kreuz² (Dresden 1645) by Heinrich Schütz (1585 - 1672) arranged by Klaus Bjerre for 5 horns in F with optional solo duets of violins, flutes, oboes, or horns and an optional guitar continuo This is the Sinfonia of a cantata. The original setting was for SATTB viols. Here these viol parts have been set for 5 horns in F. The original key of E minor concert has been kept. Settings for brass and woodwind quintets are in the planning. All versions will be compatible for performances in larger mixed ensembles. This Sinfonia has a great beauty in its own right. However this arranger cannot avoid hearing improvisations and embellishments when working with music of this era. The solution has been to add an optional solo duet. This duet can be pairs of violins, flutes, or oboes. Mixed duets certainly would work beautifully, if the balance situation is considered. An oboe on the first solo part and a flute on the second would not be a fruitful idea. As wouldn¹t a performance with one soloist only. Another potential solo pair might be two horns. A two part score for such solo horns is provided. The 1st soloist will have to play a trill between high B natural and high C#. Were this arranger to play that part, he would take his G descant horn. The option of horn soloists can only be applied with two horn players. A horn entering a mixed soloists¹ pair would be a bad idea. For the 5 quintet horns no parts are provided, only a 2 page score. The first horn will have to manage a few A¹s just above the staff, but the part is not suicidal for the player. In accordance with the notation practise of this early renaissance era no dynamics or articulations are given. The performers should not misjudge this as an opportunity to play dull run-of-the-mill notes. The contrapuntal texture calls for a great mutual respect. Especially up-beat notes, wherever they may be placed in the bar, should be played detached, and an emphasis should be given to the following longer main note. If this piece is performed as a quintet, the playing style should be less legato/tenuto, than when soloists are added. The guitar continuo part can be played from the notes in the staff or from the chord symbols. Attention should be paid to the avoidance of the lowest guitar note descending below the line of the 5th horn part. Would this arranger protest a symphonic horn section performing this arrangement asking their harp colleague to perform the continuo part. Certainly not! ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
