RE: [Hornlist] Bolero Encounter

2003-09-11 Thread Hans Pizka
Ho, ho, ho -- should your exclamation marks () suggest, that I would
not ask them not nicely enough ?? 

First, as a principal I have not to ass-lick anybody in the section.

Second, as a principal I have not to ask anybody for help.

Third, as a principal I do rather help THEM out if they have an entrance
with a big upward leap, helping with the lower note, or helping them for
an over long held note.

Fourth, as a principal I do not expect any help from the section.

Fifth, we have a superb understanding in our section & are friends each
other, except delegating the parts. 

Sixth, as a principal I have to know my part & my potentials that good,
that I know, where I get a break anyway, as the third plays the same
phrase the same time, and as soon as I pause for say two bars, the third
plays louder as he or she (sorry, we have no "she" in our section so
far) understands that AND listen to the principals playing.

My alternating principal uses an assistant for the aria from Giulio
Caesar, while I play it just "solo". This does not minimize his
reputation in no ways, as it is up to everybody to arrange the things in
his or her way. The result counts. 

Greetings to Australia, where I just flew over ten days ago on my way
back from NewZealand.

Hans

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I'm sure they won't if you ask them nicely ()

Cheers,

Graeme Evans
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> But they refuse mostly - as do third & fourth in "Fidelio".
> 
>
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> > From: "Russ Smiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  > I has my first encounter as third horn with Bolero tonight.   My,
> there
> > are
> > a lot of Ds!  The first horn and I thought we'd spell each other.
Are
> > there
>  > any standard places for each part to lay off?
>  >
>  > Russ Smiley
>  > Marlborough, CT
>
> Bolero is a tiresome piece to play, and also tiring!
>
> A good trick is to do a deal with the 2nd or 4th horn as applicable,
and
> swap octaves every repetition of the tune when you get into the
repeated
> D's
> (tutti) sections. This is a good way to save the chops. (and also lets
> the
> low horn players know how easy their jobs really are!!!).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Graeme Evans
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RE: [Hornlist] trio or quartet for horn, violin, cello or piano

2003-09-11 Thread Jonathan West
Nobody else has mentioned it yet, but there is a wonderful trio for horn,
violin and piano by Lennox Berkeley. I have an old recording of it played by
Dennis Brain, Manoung Parikian and Colin Horsley.

It is Berkeley's centenary this year.

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RE: [Hornlist] trio or quartet for horn, violin, cello or piano

2003-09-11 Thread Hans Pizka
But the question was about "classical", but "classical" in the original
meaning of the word : classical epoque plus minus, not the new meaning
of "classical" to differenciate it from POP or Jazz or LIGHT.


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Nobody else has mentioned it yet, but there is a wonderful trio for
horn,
violin and piano by Lennox Berkeley. I have an old recording of it
played by
Dennis Brain, Manoung Parikian and Colin Horsley.

It is Berkeley's centenary this year.

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Re: [Hornlist] Bolero Encounter

2003-09-11 Thread Graeme Evans
Hi Hans,

Thank you for your greetings - albeit from 11,000 metres!

I don't know anything about the inner dynamics and politics in your section.
All I know is that when we do Bolero here we do it in the manner I have
described. After all, it is most often performed in popular concerts, which
can be busy for the horns, so, while it is quite possible for me to play the
piece as written, it just makes it a little easier to swap octaves with the
2nd horn.

There is never any problem with this, and when you imply that "asking
nicely' is somehow related to "ass-licking" (sic), then I think you have a
problem in communication with your low players. Maybe they sense a lack of
respect from you.

Maybe they don't respect you. Any good commander of troops will tell you
that you have to earn the respect of the men under you. It is a bit the same
with orchestral sections.

Perhaps you have a problem here - I don't know, but I am sorry that you
don't feel that you can expect the sort of co-operation from your team that
I have from mine here in Melbourne.

Cheers,

Graeme Evans
(Principal Horn, Melbourne Symphony Orchestra)
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> Ho, ho, ho -- should your exclamation marks () suggest, that I would
> not ask them not nicely enough ??
>
> First, as a principal I have not to ass-lick anybody in the section.
>
> Second, as a principal I have not to ask anybody for help.
>
> Third, as a principal I do rather help THEM out if they have an entrance
> with a big upward leap, helping with the lower note, or helping them for
> an over long held note.
>
> Fourth, as a principal I do not expect any help from the section.
>
> Fifth, we have a superb understanding in our section & are friends each
> other, except delegating the parts.
>
> Sixth, as a principal I have to know my part & my potentials that good,
> that I know, where I get a break anyway, as the third plays the same
> phrase the same time, and as soon as I pause for say two bars, the third
> plays louder as he or she (sorry, we have no "she" in our section so
> far) understands that AND listen to the principals playing.
>
> My alternating principal uses an assistant for the aria from Giulio
> Caesar, while I play it just "solo". This does not minimize his
> reputation in no ways, as it is up to everybody to arrange the things in
> his or her way. The result counts.
>
> Greetings to Australia, where I just flew over ten days ago on my way
> back from NewZealand.
>
> Hans
>
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> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Bolero Encounter
>
> I'm sure they won't if you ask them nicely ()
>
> Cheers,
>
> Graeme Evans
> (Principal Horn, Melbourne Symphony Orchestra)
> +61 3 9318 0690(H), +61 419 880371(B), +61 3 93180893(Fax)
> E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



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Re: [Hornlist] trio or quartet for horn, violin, cello or piano

2003-09-11 Thread Graeme Evans
Yes, this is a great piece - particularly the last movement. I have played
it often, and it is always appreciated by audiences.

Cheers,

Graeme Evans
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> Nobody else has mentioned it yet, but there is a wonderful trio for horn,
> violin and piano by Lennox Berkeley. I have an old recording of it played
by
> Dennis Brain, Manoung Parikian and Colin Horsley.
>
> It is Berkeley's centenary this year.
>
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RE: [Hornlist] trio or quartet for horn, violin, cello or piano

2003-09-11 Thread Robert Fagan
While we're on this topic, does anyone happen to know of any trios that
could be played on horn, bass and flute (or recorder)?? Some of the horn
cello violin trios might work but the violin parts could be fairly awkward
on flute...

Thanks,
Robert

And remember... a friend will help you move, a good friend will help you
move a body.

Robert Fagan,
Moyne Institute,
Trinity College,
D.2,
Ireland.

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Nobody else has mentioned it yet, but there is a wonderful trio for horn,
violin and piano by Lennox Berkeley. I have an old recording of it played by
Dennis Brain, Manoung Parikian and Colin Horsley.

It is Berkeley's centenary this year.

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RE: [Hornlist] trio or quartet for horn, violin, cello or piano

2003-09-11 Thread Jonathan West

From:  Hans Pizka

But the question was about "classical", but "classical" in the original
meaning of the word : classical epoque plus minus, not the new meaning
of "classical" to differenciate it from POP or Jazz or LIGHT.



1. There was nothing that I saw in the original question to specify that
particular meaning of classical.

2. If music from the classical period was meant, why did you mention the
Brahms trio? Brahms is normally considered to be "Romantic" not "Classical".
Perhaps the key is "classical epoque plus minus", which is a wholly new
definition of classical that seems to have been invented solely by you,
apparently for the purpose of reclassifying at least part of romantic as
classical...

Regards
Jonathan West


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RE: [Hornlist] trio or quartet for horn, violin, cello or piano

2003-09-11 Thread Hans Pizka
Luiza Raab asked for "classical compositions". This is not a
musicological question, Jonathan. My naming "classical époque plus
minus" was just invented to cover what "most people" mean, when they ask
for "classical compositions". Most of them never ask for Ligeti,
Berkeley or Schoenberg ! Got it ?

Long live the pharisaeans !!!


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From:  Hans Pizka

But the question was about "classical", but "classical" in the original
meaning of the word : classical epoque plus minus, not the new meaning
of "classical" to differenciate it from POP or Jazz or LIGHT.



1. There was nothing that I saw in the original question to specify that
particular meaning of classical.

2. If music from the classical period was meant, why did you mention the
Brahms trio? Brahms is normally considered to be "Romantic" not
"Classical".
Perhaps the key is "classical epoque plus minus", which is a wholly new
definition of classical that seems to have been invented solely by you,
apparently for the purpose of reclassifying at least part of romantic as
classical...

Regards
Jonathan West


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Re: [Hornlist] Bolero Encounter

2003-09-11 Thread Margaret Dikel
At 03:52 PM 9/11/2003 +1000, you wrote:
> From: "Russ Smiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 > I has my first encounter as third horn with Bolero tonight.   My, there
> are
> a lot of Ds!  The first horn and I thought we'd spell each other.  Are
> there
 > any standard places for each part to lay off?

A good trick is to do a deal with the 2nd or 4th horn as applicable, and
swap octaves every repetition of the tune when you get into the repeated D's
(tutti) sections.
Last time I played it we used the rehearsals to work on alternate
fingerings, tonguing patterns (single, slow double, ).
We also practiced our octaves.  And we took turns taking breaks.
Yes, we behaved during the performance.

Margaret



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Re: [Hornlist] Bolero Encounter

2003-09-11 Thread Leigh Alexander
On Thursday, September 11, 2003, at 08:51  AM, Margaret Dikel wrote:
At 03:52 PM 9/11/2003 +1000, you wrote:
> From: "Russ Smiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I has my first encounter as third horn with Bolero tonight.   My, 
there
> are a lot of Ds!  The first horn and I thought we'd spell each 
other.  Are
> there any standard places for each part to lay off?
A good trick is to do a deal with the 2nd or 4th horn as applicable, 
and
swap octaves every repetition of the tune when you get into the 
repeated D's
(tutti) sections.
Last time I played it we used the rehearsals to work on alternate
fingerings, tonguing patterns (single, slow double, ).
We also practiced our octaves.  And we took turns taking breaks.
Yes, we behaved during the performance.
Margaret
Margaret & list;
I am given to understand that Msr. Ravel was displeased that this one 
work of his became so popular (didn't he intend it as some sort of 
dynamic study?). If this is true then misbehaving during concerts might 
get the bloody thing of the programs. Ravel would be happy, the 
orchestra would be happy and the public might come to realise that 
there are somethings from the disco era that should never-ever be 
revisited, Bolero, and cornrows on white women, two things that come to 
mind right off *yikes*
Leigh

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Re: RE: [Hornlist] trio or quartet for horn, violin, cello or piano

2003-09-11 Thread prodtech
Hi Robert,

There is a trio sonata by Telemann for alto recorder (or flute or violin), horn, and 
basso continuo (piano/harpsichord with optional cello on the bass line. None of the 
parts are difficult. The horn part ranges from middle C (written horn in F) up an 
octave and a 5th. There are a couple lip trills in the horn part. 

I'm travelling at the moment so I don't have the publisher.

Best Regards,

Sam Potter 
> 
> From: "Robert Fagan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2003/09/11 Thu AM 06:02:50 EDT
> To: "'The Horn List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: [Hornlist] trio or quartet for horn, violin, cello or piano
> 
> While we're on this topic, does anyone happen to know of any trios that
> could be played on horn, bass and flute (or recorder)?? Some of the horn
> cello violin trios might work but the violin parts could be fairly awkward
> on flute...
> 
> Thanks,
>   Robert
> 
> And remember... a friend will help you move, a good friend will help you
> move a body.
> 
> Robert Fagan,
> Moyne Institute,
> Trinity College,
> D.2,
> Ireland.
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> 
> 
> Nobody else has mentioned it yet, but there is a wonderful trio for horn,
> violin and piano by Lennox Berkeley. I have an old recording of it played by
> Dennis Brain, Manoung Parikian and Colin Horsley.
> 
> It is Berkeley's centenary this year.
> 
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[Hornlist] trio or quartet for horn, violin, cello or piano

2003-09-11 Thread phirsch

Luiza Raab wrote:

)and do the Dohnanyi
Sextet in C, Op. 37. If you want to sample these works, there is a CD on
ASV 943 that has both of them on it (Stephen Stirling - horn) that appears
to still be in print.

Those are the major romantic style works that stand out in my opinion, but
don't stop there, there are always more pieces lurking on the fringes
waiting to get their moment in the limelight; keep looking and good luck.

Peter Hirsch


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Re: [Hornlist] Re: natural horn recordings of valved horn music

2003-09-11 Thread Herbert Foster
Didn't John Wunderlich record it. Or was that which broke his recorder?

Herb Foster
--- nancy bremer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >Have any of our wonderful natural horn artists recorded
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> 
> Gee Leonard, I don't know, but I did hear Professor Gestopftmitscheist play 
> the Gliere on natural horn a couple of years ago.  Oh. My. God.  Too bad no 
> one recorded the performance   :-)
> 
> Nan Bremer
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[Hornlist] Hans Hoyer 5401K VS Conn 9DY

2003-09-11 Thread Casalone Roberto

Can anyone give me the impression on use of Hans Hoyer 5401K horn??? Is bad or best 
than a Conn 9DY??

Thanks
Roberto


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[Hornlist] Orchestral Backing CD's

2003-09-11 Thread Brian Baker
Hello members,

I was hoping that someone might be able to guide me to a reliable, honest and 
reasonably priced supplier of "authentic" orchestral backing cd's for horn solo's. 
Playing French horn was once my bread and butter. I am easing myself back into it but 
now feel ready to take on horn pieces. I want to practice in the privacy of home but 
with the benefit of an orchestra, hence the SOS for backing tracks. Can anyone help? I 
am aware of MIDI tracks/music out there but am only interested in the "real" thing. 
Many thanks.

Brian. (Brian Baker alias koalabear)
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[Hornlist] Excuse me ... 5801K

2003-09-11 Thread Casalone Roberto
Excuse me, the Hoyer horn is 5801K.

Thanks
Roberto


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RE: [Hornlist] Bolero Encounter

2003-09-11 Thread Hans Pizka
Hello Margaret,

yes I know this game. We did it also, but additional I did split the six
consecutive sixteenth into three groups of two like
tha-ta-tha-ta-tha-ta-ta or all like
tumtatata tumtatata tumtum tumtatata tumtatata tha-ta tha-ta tha-ta
ta

Try it next time & give all around you BIG TROUBLE. Ha, ha.

We played it as ballet for three seasons, main dancer changing from
performance to performance from female to male & back.

Greetings

Hans


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At 03:52 PM 9/11/2003 +1000, you wrote:
> > From: "Russ Smiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  > I has my first encounter as third horn with Bolero tonight.   My,
there
> > are
> > a lot of Ds!  The first horn and I thought we'd spell each other.
Are
> > there
>  > any standard places for each part to lay off?

>A good trick is to do a deal with the 2nd or 4th horn as applicable,
and
>swap octaves every repetition of the tune when you get into the
repeated D's
>(tutti) sections.

Last time I played it we used the rehearsals to work on alternate
fingerings, tonguing patterns (single, slow double, ).
We also practiced our octaves.  And we took turns taking breaks.

Yes, we behaved during the performance.

Margaret



Margaret Dikel
JCCSO Librarian / Horn
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301-881-0122
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[Hornlist] Fraud on ebay--Watchout if you buy a horn

2003-09-11 Thread Dee and Jim Buchholz
Below is what is happening now on an sax item on ebay
Everyone - I sold a Low A bari to someone early this year and he resold it
on Ebay.  Apparently someone has copied his ad, lowered the price and is
attempting to get wired money up front for shipping.  This fraud has been
reported twice to Ebay, but apparently they can't or won't do anything about
it.

The horn advertised on Ebay is not for sale.

I guess the lesson here is NEVER wire money ahead on these things.  I've
inlcuded some documentation from the buyer who resold the horn and the one
who tried to buy it by wiring money.  I've also received an email from
someone who is trying to buy it and I've let him know about the hoax.

Thanks,
Glenn


 .. just noticed the bari being listed again, this time in "Germany".
Notice that it references your name again.  I notified ebay of this fraud.

http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2557439623&category=1
6233#ebayphotohosting

Below is a copy of my fraud report to ebay

-

During this auction I emailed the seller and asked how much for shipping to
USA.  The seller emailed back that he would sell me the sax for $3300
including FedEx shipping and would end the auction early.

I was hesitant to agree to such an arrangement until the seller lowered his
price to $3000 including shipping (shipping alone for a sax this size from
Singapore is approximately $400).  This seemed a real bargain.  I agreed.

I negotiated hard to arrange some sort of escrow arrangement but the seller
simply would not agree.  I hesitantly agreed to wire transfer a $1000
deposit to an Indonesian bank as a sign of good faith.  The rest due to the
seller upon arrival of the sax.

Immediately after wiring the deposit, the seller emailed that his wife had
shipped the sax by parcel post.  Estimated arrival time to USA - 8 days.  I
was angry, our agreement included 2 day FedEx shipping.  I waited patiently
for the sax to arrive.

3 weeks now  no sax. I have notified the Fairfax County, VA police
financial crimes unit to file a report.  I will be in Singapore next month
on business, intend to file a police report there also.

I contacted Glen Wilson, the sax professional referenced in the eBay ad.
His response is listed below and is self-explanatory.

-
Bill - just received this from the buyer of my horn.

"I'm afraid that guy is a victim of fraud. I sold the sax a couple months
ago ( I really needed the Low Bb more). A few weeks later, I noticed that a
brand new member had copied my ad and selling it under their name. I
e-mailed all of the bidders and notified ebay. The following week, I saw a
different member name doing the same thing and put a stop to it. I did
everything I could with ebay including sending them all the original copy,
photos, and auction number. "

Hope you can get your money back.  I guess the police report would be
inline.

Sorry
Glenn
-

THIS IS A FRAUD AND EBAY HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY ADVISED THAT THIS SAX HAS BEEN
LISTED FRAUDULENTLY NUMEROUS TIMES YET CONTINUES TO RELIST THE ITEM OVER AND
OVER AGAIN!!!

WARNING SEE AUCTION # 2557439623  ... THIS SAX IS BEING LISTED FRAUDULENTLY
AGAIN!

I know that I am entitled to no legal protection since this item was
purchased "outside" of eBay but what happened to the high bidder on my
auction ... was he stiffed also?  What about the high bidder of the previous
auctions? I suspect he was and you should follow up also.

EBay is allowing this known illegal activity to continue over and over
again.  You should be ashamed!


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RE: [Hornlist] trio or quartet for horn, violin, cello or

2003-09-11 Thread Luiza Raab
Hi everybody
Thank you so much for help with finding some trios. Sorry for not explaining
what I meant by "classical." I had in mind the classical period in music. I
know there is Trio by Haydn for horn, violin and cello but...on the same
concert I was asked to play also Brahms Trio and I try to find the piece (on
the request of the organizer of this concert who wants Brahms and something
from classical period)which will be "manageable" for playing. Haydn goes to E
or Eflat and that's the range where only "chosen" players feel comfortable,
hahaha!!! If you figure out something else please let me know. All the best for
all of you.
Luiza

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Re: [Hornlist] Bolero Encounter

2003-09-11 Thread Josh Cheuvront
Russ,

I figured there'd be more.  An old teacher of mine used to tell us to grip
the ground with our toes and pray.

Josh
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> Josh,
>
> And an excellent suggestion it is.
>
> While we had no problem tonight, I fear that if perform Brahms' Academic
> Festival Overture, Elgar's Pomp & Circumstance #1, and Holt's First Suite
> BEFORE we perform Bolero,  there are going to be some tired chops in the
> section (mine first among them).  That's why I asked.
>
> Russ
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