RE: [Hornlist] Re: New invention
Jaakko, I think it is much too early in your career to speak such about a conductor. For how many conductors did you play ??? = -Original Message- ...then again you could replace an everyday conductor with a rubber ass. The difference between a normal conductor (sounds funny this combination of words...) and a rubber ass is, well, rubber?! ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: New Invention
In a message dated 4/15/2004 5:02:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Leave it to the Finns to invent a stress reducing device. > Does anyone remember the Principal tuba of the Pittsburgh Symphony whose > instrument was mounted on a stand. He merely walked up to the tuba and > played standing, then sat during rests. Maybe he came from Finnish stock. > Many pro tuba players use playing stands, especially when practicing. Those 6/4 tubas with as many as six valves weigh an awful lot. At least they don't have to put their hands in the bell while playing (not that some of them don't try). Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: New Invention
Leave it to the Finns to invent a stress reducing device. Does anyone remember the Principal tuba of the Pittsburgh Symphony whose instrument was mounted on a stand. He merely walked up to the tuba and played standing, then sat during rests. Maybe he came from Finnish stock. Gust Vilensky (son of a Finn) ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Bayerische Staatsoper schedule
Between Jan 17 & Feb 15, 2004: 17 dress rehearsal Roberto Devereux evening La Cenerentola, 18 Xerse (Handel), 19: Roberto Devereux premiere, 20: rehearsal Rheingold all, ev: Nutcracker, 21: Rheingold, 22: Walkuere reh., ev: Ballet 2 horns, 23: Walkuere reh., ev. Roberto, 24: Rheingold, 25: La Traviata, 26: Walkuere reh, ev. Ballet 2 horns, 27: Walkuere, 28: Roberto, 29: Siegfried reh, ev: La Traviata, 30: Siegfried reh, ev. Ballet 2 horns, 31: Walkuere, 1 Feb: Siegfried reh., ev.Roberto, 2: La Traviata, 3: Siegfried, 4: Orhee et Eurydice, 5: Goetterdaemmerung reh, ev. Roibert, 6:Sleeping Beauty, 7: Siegfried, 8: Orphee, 9: Goetterdaemmerung reh, ev. Roberto, 10: Goetterdaemmerung reh, ev. Aida, 11: Goetterdaemmerung, 12: Orphee, 13: Sleeping Beauty, 14th: Goetterdaemmerung. Here the schedule for end June early July 2004: June 21: Meistersinger reh. Twice, 22: same, 23: Meistersinger reh one, 24: dress hehearsqal Meistersinger, 25: reh. Lulu, reh.Don Carlo, 26: reh. Missa, public dress rehearsal Meistersinger, 27th: free, 28th Don Carlo reh. Whole piece, 28: free, 29: premiere Meistersinger, 30: Don Carlo, July 1: Xerxes (very easy, just 40 seconds to play), 2: Meistersinger, 3: Don Carlo, 4: Lulu, 5: reh.Othello, ev.: Xerse, 6: reh. Mahler 3 Othello + reh.Rape of Lucretia, 7:reh. Rape of Lucr., ev. Meistersinger, 8: Lulu, 9: reh.Mahler 3, ev: Othello, 10: reh. Mahler 3 (open air), afternoon: Ballet all Chopin, ev.: Mahler 3 open air, 11: Meistersinger, etc.etc. a new production of Pelleas et Melisande to rehearse & premiere (26th), Gounods Romeo & Juliette twice, Roberto Devereux twice, Tannhaeuser twice, Midsummernightsdream ballet, another Pelleas et Melisande, premiere of Rape of Lucretia (Britten), plus Orphee, Rodelinda (Handel) twice and a final Meistersinger on July 31st. We had harder opera festivals in the past, like 1989 (Munich Workshop) playing all R.Strauss operas during one 4 week festival or March 1969 with two Ring sets, Zimmermanns: Soldiers premiere between plus two concert programs right after the first Goetterdaemmerung & the 2nd Goetterdaemmerung (Tschaik. No.5 with Eliahu Inbal conducting, and smaller operas between the Ring operas. Nothing for cowards. Prof.Hans Pizka, Pf.1136 D-85541 Kirchheim - Germany Fax: 49 89 903-9414 Phone: 903-9548 home: www.pizka.de email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Valve job and oil change
Here's another strange juxtaposition for a horn. http://tinyurl.com/ypmoy or http://www.barneysauto.com/Yamaha-YHR881-Custom-Descant-Horn.html John Kowalchuk maker of mutes/horns/canoes/paddles/bikes Oshawa, Ontario http://home.ca.inter.net/~horn1 Canadians don't surf the net, we paddle it. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] New Invention
I screamed when he started, but he recalls so many memories & reminds me of many stick swingers . Cabbage, I did not manage to down save the clip on my machine. Could you give me some hints, please, but privately. Many thanks in advance. Warmest greetings from cool but sunny Munich -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 7:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] New Invention Hans P wrote ...I would replace the guy in front using his stick for some kind of aerobic, but earning much money. * Your wishes have been answered, Hans. rtsp://cds101.bit-drive.ne.jp/shp/02-38-QR105.rm Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] New invention
I think that there is a danger that this gizmo can hurt your lip.
Imagine that while you are playing, you lift the horn slightly (swinging,
swaying, just breathing...) so that the stick leaves the floor. If you
are still playing when it comes down again, the horn will stop suddenly,
mashing your lips and teeth. Or at least making your lip slide off the
horn. No?
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RE: [Hornlist] New invention
Does a trombonist ever hold his bone longer than two minutes (in the orchestra on stage or in the pit ) ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter W. Schroth Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 6:21 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] New invention The trombone version is wonderful for some extremely heavy bass trombones and for trombones requiring an awkward left hand position, such as the Holton Superbone. I can't even hold a Superbone in playing position for more than five minutes without it. For the horn, though, I find it difficult to see the value of this device, except for players with a physical handicap. There have sometimes been complaints about very heavy triple horns; would it help with that? "Jaakko Välimäki" wrote: > > Visit www.ergobone.com to learn more about the new ErgoHorn! > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] RE: Mozart 12 Duets K.V. 487 - Transpositions?
I understand now. My problem obviously stems from a combination of the version I have and my misunderstanding of Prof. Pizka's explanation. I've ordered an Urtext version and will apply this information to it, since I now see that this is where I was misunderstanding the Professor's elucidation. Thank you once again for taking the time to spell it out so that I could understand it! All my best, Jack --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.654 / Virus Database: 419 - Release Date: 4/6/2004 ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: New invention
> And what to do during rests ? How to water empty > the horn > without any clonk from the ErgoHornStand, special if emptying > must be > performed most quickly ? I have only tried it a couple of times, but here´s what I think. The horn can be turned to almost any possible angle while attached so you can use the normal "steering wheel method". If you have learned how to empty your horn without hitting the music stand every time you will learn how to empty with this gadget. It is easy to remove, by lifting the horn. In a really tight spots many prefer spit valve anyway. You can always play without it in concerts. I think there are some videos at Ergobrass site. > I also wait for the invention of a rubber "ass" who sits in > the pit on > behalf of myself. Your requested rubber lips =B4n bellows > could do the job > for me, while I would replace the guy in front using his stick > for some > kind of aerobic, but earning much money. ...then again you could replace an everyday conductor with a rubber ass. The difference between a normal conductor (sounds funny this combination of words...) and a rubber ass is, well, rubber?! > Seriously, is this invention of any value except for > unfortunate players > with arthritis or other disability that makes holding the horn > difficult? > It looks like a joke, especially the price. The trombone > version looks dangerous. I guess you can only know by trying. I like the feeling of getting to play with the upper torso and hands completely relaxed. I have to test it for a longer time before I am able to make my mind. It moves to any desired angle and the spring makes it float so basicly you are able to move the horn where you want to. > I remember when the trombone one came out, I wondered if > they'd ever make something like it for horn. It does SEEM > like a good idea, to help prevent injury from the weight of > heavier horns, but it looks ridiculous, and seems impractical > with the design shown on that website! When you are sitting in the orchestra the audience won´t see it, but when as a soloists I would leave it home... ;-) I guess it could be beneficial to practise with the gadget while standing too, letting you feel how it feels to breath when upper body is completely relaxed. I have to try that too. Jaakko Välimäki Finland __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] New invention
It would really help out for my dodecatuple horn. I bought it from a British fellow. I asked him "How much?" and he replied "Oh about 450 pounds." "That's a steal!" I said. "I can get that much money to you right away." He sighed, and then said, "No, sir, that's not the price, that's the weight" -William In a message dated 4/15/2004 10:22:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The trombone version is wonderful for some extremely heavy bass trombones and for trombones requiring an awkward left hand position, such as the Holton Superbone. I can't even hold a Superbone in playing position for more than five minutes without it. For the horn, though, I find it difficult to see the value of this device, except for players with a physical handicap. There have sometimes been complaints about very heavy triple horns; would it help with that? ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] New Invention
Hans P wrote ...I would replace the guy in front using his stick for some kind of aerobic, but earning much money. * Your wishes have been answered, Hans. rtsp://cds101.bit-drive.ne.jp/shp/02-38-QR105.rm Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] New invention
"Jaakko Välimäki" wrote: > > Visit www.ergobone.com to learn more about the new ErgoHorn! It looks not entirely unlike the Pip Stick invented by Pip Eastop. http://freespace.virgin.net/pip.eastop/html/pipstick.htm John Kowalchuk maker of mutes/horns/canoes/paddles/bikes Oshawa, Ontario http://home.ca.inter.net/~horn1 Canadians don't surf the net, we paddle it. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] New invention
Maybe they could turn the stand upside down so you could get better reception? Who knew - a cello peg for brass players. -William In a message dated 4/15/2004 4:04:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello Lawrence, I second that request, but regarding ErgoHorn I might ask, how about those who swivel around on their seat or dance-swing with their horn, as so often noted in auditions ? Big trouble then in the orchestra. And what to do during rests ? How to water empty the horn without any clonk from the ErgoHornStand, special if emptying must be performed most quickly ? I also wait for the invention of a rubber "ass" who sits in the pit on behalf of myself. Your requested rubber lips ´n bellows could do the job for me, while I would replace the guy in front using his stick for some kind of aerobic, but earning much money. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] New invention
The trombone version is wonderful for some extremely heavy bass trombones and for trombones requiring an awkward left hand position, such as the Holton Superbone. I can't even hold a Superbone in playing position for more than five minutes without it. For the horn, though, I find it difficult to see the value of this device, except for players with a physical handicap. There have sometimes been complaints about very heavy triple horns; would it help with that? "Jaakko Välimäki" wrote: > > Visit www.ergobone.com to learn more about the new ErgoHorn! > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] New invention
While I would find the device unnecessary and awkward, some of us have trouble holding the horn because of arthritis or tendinitis, caused by aging or immune systems not working properly. I have forwarded the link to a excellent trombonist friend of mine who suffers from tendinitis. An oboist friend of mine invented one for holding his oboe. Herb Foster --- Hans Pizka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello Lawrence, I second that request, but regarding ErgoHorn I might > ask, how about those who swivel around on their seat or dance-swing with > their horn, as so often noted in auditions ? Big trouble then in the > orchestra. And what to do during rests ? How to water empty the horn > without any clonk from the ErgoHornStand, special if emptying must be > performed most quickly ? > > I also wait for the invention of a rubber "ass" who sits in the pit on > behalf of myself. Your requested rubber lips ´n bellows could do the job > for me, while I would replace the guy in front using his stick for some > kind of aerobic, but earning much money. > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Bayerische Staatsoper
Sorry, Bob, the month April was not as busy as usual. I will give you an idea by copying our Mid Jan. to mid Feb. schedule 2004 soon & some other ideas later. We are ten horn players under contract out of an orchestra of 143 members. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Marlatt Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 2:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] Bayerische Staatsoper Hans Pizka: >I better leave no for another "Parsifal" starting in two hours at the >State Opera. A disgusting show man conducting this heavenly music. FYI, I checked out the Baverian State Opera website to see whom Mr. P was referring to: http://www.bayerische.staatsoper.de/c.php/index_bso.php?l=de&dom=dom1 I then did a search/display of their April 2004 schedule. Compared to the any USA arts center beyond New York City the volume and scope of activity is phenomenal. Perhaps Hans: could you give us an overview of the musicians' schedules and how the horns in particular spread the work out? ie: how many hornists are under full contract. ...and I thought I was busy... Bob Marlatt Boston MA ps: I trust you take long vacations ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] New invention
In a message dated 15/04/2004 17:44:33 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: to help prevent injury from the weight of heavier horns All the best, Lawrence "þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg" http://lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: RE: [Hornlist] New invention
I remember when the trombone one came out, I wondered if they'd ever make something
like it for horn. It does SEEM like a good idea, to help prevent injury from the
weight of heavier horns, but it looks ridiculous, and seems impractical with the
design shown on that website!
Steven Slaff
- Original Message -
From: David Goldberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, April 15, 2004 7:53 am
Subject: RE: [Hornlist] New invention
> On Thu, 15 Apr 2004, Hans Pizka wrote:
>
> > Hello Lawrence, I second that request, but regarding ErgoHorn I
> might> ask, how about those who swivel around on their seat or
> dance-swing with
> > their horn, as so often noted in auditions ? Big trouble then in the
> > orchestra.
>
> Easily solved - this invention is just a support stick with a
> connectingplate. Instead connecting each horn to the floor, you
> connect the entire
> horn section together, so they have to swivel & swing together. First
> horn sets the rhythm, of course. And they have to empty together.
> Pray
> that no one sneezes.
>
> Seriously, is this invention of any value except for unfortunate
> playerswith arthritis or other disability that makes holding the
> horn difficult?
> It looks like a joke, especially the price. The trombone version
> looksdangerous.
>
>
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> { Ann Arbor Michigan }
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[Hornlist] Peter and the Wolf
Hi all; If any of you currently have a copy of the 3rd horn part to "Peter and The Wolf" sitting on your stand, could you email me directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? I've got a question, if you'd be so kind as to help! Thanks Gretchen ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Bayerische Staatsoper
Hans Pizka: I better leave no for another "Parsifal" starting in two hours at the State Opera. A disgusting show man conducting this heavenly music. FYI, I checked out the Baverian State Opera website to see whom Mr. P was referring to: http://www.bayerische.staatsoper.de/c.php/index_bso.php?l=de&dom=dom1 I then did a search/display of their April 2004 schedule. Compared to the any USA arts center beyond New York City the volume and scope of activity is phenomenal. Perhaps Hans: could you give us an overview of the musicians' schedules and how the horns in particular spread the work out? ie: how many hornists are under full contract. ...and I thought I was busy... Bob Marlatt Boston MA ps: I trust you take long vacations ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Buffalo Auditions
and the winner is?. milton kicklighter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi All, We did find a final final player to fill the 1st horn position here in Buffalo. I will be giving you more details later, and I will also try to put my thoughts together so that I might have some good advice for all of you "yet to have the audition experience" guys and girls out there. Well it will be advice anyway... Maybe not so good, but advice none the less. Milton Milton Kicklighter 4th horn Buffalo Phil ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/nafai23%40yahoo.com - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] New invention
How about the section players, if they have rests while the first horn
fights-swivels through his part ? Do they have to swing unison ? But
would be nice to wake up the fourth horn
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Subject: RE: [Hornlist] New invention
On Thu, 15 Apr 2004, Hans Pizka wrote:
> Hello Lawrence, I second that request, but regarding ErgoHorn I might
> ask, how about those who swivel around on their seat or dance-swing
with
> their horn, as so often noted in auditions ? Big trouble then in the
> orchestra.
Easily solved - this invention is just a support stick with a connecting
plate. Instead connecting each horn to the floor, you connect the
entire
horn section together, so they have to swivel & swing together. First
horn sets the rhythm, of course. And they have to empty together. Pray
that no one sneezes.
Seriously, is this invention of any value except for unfortunate players
with arthritis or other disability that makes holding the horn
difficult?
It looks like a joke, especially the price. The trombone version looks
dangerous.
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RE: [Hornlist] New invention
On Thu, 15 Apr 2004, Hans Pizka wrote:
> Hello Lawrence, I second that request, but regarding ErgoHorn I might
> ask, how about those who swivel around on their seat or dance-swing with
> their horn, as so often noted in auditions ? Big trouble then in the
> orchestra.
Easily solved - this invention is just a support stick with a connecting
plate. Instead connecting each horn to the floor, you connect the entire
horn section together, so they have to swivel & swing together. First
horn sets the rhythm, of course. And they have to empty together. Pray
that no one sneezes.
Seriously, is this invention of any value except for unfortunate players
with arthritis or other disability that makes holding the horn difficult?
It looks like a joke, especially the price. The trombone version looks
dangerous.
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RE: [Hornlist] New invention
Hello Lawrence, I second that request, but regarding ErgoHorn I might ask, how about those who swivel around on their seat or dance-swing with their horn, as so often noted in auditions ? Big trouble then in the orchestra. And what to do during rests ? How to water empty the horn without any clonk from the ErgoHornStand, special if emptying must be performed most quickly ? I also wait for the invention of a rubber "ass" who sits in the pit on behalf of myself. Your requested rubber lips ´n bellows could do the job for me, while I would replace the guy in front using his stick for some kind of aerobic, but earning much money. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 11:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hornlist] New invention This is fantastic - just what I need! I hope everyone in my section will get one. Please let me know when they produce a set of rubber lips connected to a set of bellows so that I won't need to blow either. All the best, Lawrence "þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg" http://lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] New invention
This is fantastic - just what I need! I hope everyone in my section will get one. Please let me know when they produce a set of rubber lips connected to a set of bellows so that I won't need to blow either. All the best, Lawrence "þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg" http://lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] New invention
Visit www.ergobone.com to learn more about the new ErgoHorn! Jaakko Välimäki Finland __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] RE: Mozart 12 Duets K.V. 487 - Transpositions?
If he talks about the initial note as (originally) a(1) second space a, he thinks in concert pitch but played on F-Horn, as the initial note is annotated as e2 (1st space from top) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 9:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hornlist] RE: Mozart 12 Duets K.V. 487 - Transpositions? Is the problem here not that Jack is talking in concert pitch, but that in his edition the duets are already transposed i.e. not written out in the key of C. I had such an edition and stuck it in the bin the day I bought an urtext edition. All the best, Lawrence "þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg" http://lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] RE: Mozart 12 Duets K.V. 487 - Transpositions?
Is the problem here not that Jack is talking in concert pitch, but that in his edition the duets are already transposed i.e. not written out in the key of C. I had such an edition and stuck it in the bin the day I bought an urtext edition. All the best, Lawrence "þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg" http://lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Slide Lubricants
To clarify it: gulden means golden. There was also the "dukat", finally of 3,49 grs gold at 986/1000. The name "ducat" or "ducatus" deriving from "duce" or "doge" or "duke" as first produced by Duke Dandolo in Venice in the late 13th century. === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Baumgart Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 3:26 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Slide Lubricants Actually, they were known as "Joachimsthaler guldengroschen," with "guldengroschen" referring to the type of coin (enough silver's worth of groschen to be worth a gold gulden). St. Joachim's valley was an early 16th century silver boom area, which bode well for the count when he was allowed to mint coins. The Joachimsthaler guldengroschen were not the first such coins, however, although they were the most widely produced and circulated, becoming the standard silver coin in Europe. In 1486, Duke Sigismund of Tyrol coined guldengroschen bearing his portrait, but they weren't widely accepted or minted in the vast quantities as the Joachimsthaler guldengroschen. Had they been, instead of dollars, we'd probably be paying for our slide lubricants with "ziggies." John Baumgart - Original Message - From: "Hans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'The Horn List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 3:33 AM Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: Slide Lubricants "cents" is a similar corruption as "dollar". Somebody knows the origin of "dollar" ? It was at "Joachimsthal" in German cultivated East Bohemia, where Count Schlick got the right to mint his own silver coins (also doubles, half & quarters) 1520. They were named according to the place "Joachimsthaler" from the St.Joachim valley (German = tal). The name was reduced to "thaler" later, just for simplicity. And this became dollar, dollar, taler etc. Cent is 1/100th of a certain (main) coin. "Centesimo" or "centime" would be appropriate, but again simplified to "cent". And in Europe we got the "Euro" now, which has not a meaning at all. It is like "artificial honey". Since gold standard was abandoned, money has just a hypothetical value. "Pfennig" was a separate coin, a basic coin itself as was the old Russian "kopek" or "lira" or "heller" or "penny" (the English word for Pfennig). They had not adopted the metric (1/100) system then anyway. = ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] RE: Mozart 12 Duets K.V. 487 - Transpositions?
Jack, you should read my first message again, when I asked you mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Garrett Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 9:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] RE: Mozart 12 Duets K.V. 487 - Transpositions? Thank you very much for this wealth of information, Prof. Pizka. Your reply was very thoughful, and I am grateful that you took the time to write such an elaborate answer. There is much to think about in your reply. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
