RE: [Hornlist] Horn resistance
Prof. Pizka, I know you are close to retirement, but had no idea that you were so old as to remember what a dinosaur farting sounds like...what is the secret of your longevity? Regards, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A ship´ s horn has no tiny lead pipe quite NO resistance, but it sounds like a DINO FART. One cannot make things right for everybody. = Horn resistance Ray C. wrote: With the main tubing being nearly 1/2 ID, then suddenly getting HUGE after the valve section, it seems to me that a great deal of the horn's resistance is not the bottleneck(s) around the valves, but rather the tiny leadpipe. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/fbaucom%40sbcglobal.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Horn resistance
Exciting but still balanced life, no alcohol in principle with extremely few exceptions (can count the glasses of beer I consume during one year), no nicotine since years (better never start smoking), being exposed to stress but able to relax or better keeping any possible moment to relax from stress, enjoying hard work but working with high discipline, keeping the spirit high, inside balanced (live let live), happy partnership - marriage, never give up, listen to signals coming from inside the body (NOT what you probably think: the dino rear escape noise ??) to slow down if necessary. But still feel like a dinosaur regarding the attitudes of people two generations behind: addressing much older colleagues absolutely respectless (example: I received an inquiry about a rental material costs like Hey, we plan to play xxx concerto. How much will it cost to rent the material. Thank you name), missing the most simple manners, also in the orchestra, students to whom a gig is offered, do not ask what to play but how much they will get. We (when students) asked what to play so we could prepare at best, but we knew we would receive some money, but how much was not so important, playing at best was more important. Audition preparation: they do not even know the most important excerpts prepare just those listed on the invitation to the audition. Preparing more etudes than the teacher said, unknown today. What kind of teachers are teaching out there ? And conductors ? Today´s conductors conduct so called two dimensional: loud, soft slow, fast. But no sense for style, feeling, expression, etc. So you know, why I feel like a dinosaur sometimes. Will enjoy travelling much in a few years, but privately after reaching retirement in 2007 after 50 years on the first chair perhaps continuing for another year or two until they find a replacement (only if I still enjoy playing and playing without problems). Travel a lot privately already. Knowing other cultures, other languages, other food delicacies, etc. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fred Baucom Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 3:32 PM To: The Horn List Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Horn resistance Prof. Pizka, I know you are close to retirement, but had no idea that you were so old as to remember what a dinosaur farting sounds like...what is the secret of your longevity? Regards, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A ship´ s horn has no tiny lead pipe quite NO resistance, but it sounds like a DINO FART. One cannot make things right for everybody. = Horn resistance Ray C. wrote: With the main tubing being nearly 1/2 ID, then suddenly getting HUGE after the valve section, it seems to me that a great deal of the horn's resistance is not the bottleneck(s) around the valves, but rather the tiny leadpipe. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/fbaucom%40sbcglobal.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Horn resistance
Prof. Pizka, I was asking in jest, but you responded with a thoughtful and thought-provoking replythank you very much. Regards, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exciting but still balanced life, no alcohol in principle with extremely few exceptions (can count the glasses of beer I consume during one year), no nicotine since years (better never start smoking), being exposed to stress but able to relax or better keeping any possible moment to relax from stress, enjoying hard work but working with high discipline, keeping the spirit high, inside balanced (live let live), happy partnership - marriage, never give up, listen to signals coming from inside the body (NOT what you probably think: the dino rear escape noise ??) to slow down if necessary. But still feel like a dinosaur regarding the attitudes of people two generations behind: addressing much older colleagues absolutely respectless (example: I received an inquiry about a rental material costs like Hey, we plan to play xxx concerto. How much will it cost to rent the material. Thank you name), missing the most simple manners, also in the orchestra, students to whom a gig is offered, do not ask what to play but how much they will get. We (when students) asked what to play so we could prepare at best, but we knew we would receive some money, but how much was not so important, playing at best was more important. Audition preparation: they do not even know the most important excerpts prepare just those listed on the invitation to the audition. Preparing more etudes than the teacher said, unknown today. What kind of teachers are teaching out there ? And conductors ? Today´s conductors conduct so called two dimensional: loud, soft slow, fast. But no sense for style, feeling, expression, etc. So you know, why I feel like a dinosaur sometimes. Will enjoy travelling much in a few years, but privately after reaching retirement in 2007 after 50 years on the first chair perhaps continuing for another year or two until they find a replacement (only if I still enjoy playing and playing without problems). Travel a lot privately already. Knowing other cultures, other languages, other food delicacies, etc. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fred Baucom Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 3:32 PM To: The Horn List Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Horn resistance Prof. Pizka, I know you are close to retirement, but had no idea that you were so old as to remember what a dinosaur farting sounds like...what is the secret of your longevity? Regards, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A ship´ s horn has no tiny lead pipe quite NO resistance, but it sounds like a DINO FART. One cannot make things right for everybody. = Horn resistance Ray C. wrote: With the main tubing being nearly 1/2 ID, then suddenly getting HUGE after the valve section, it seems to me that a great deal of the horn's resistance is not the bottleneck(s) around the valves, but rather the tiny leadpipe. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/fbaucom%40sbcglobal.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/fbaucom%40sbcglobal.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Difference playing a Conn 6D and a Yamaha YHR 567
I'm not too familiar with the Yamaha horns except that their manufacturing control is so good that the student models are apt to be as good as, or better, than the hand made custom version of the same instrument. Try before you buy. The Conn 6D design was the original Conn professional model. In the sixties, I seem to recall the 6D and 28D (brass 8D) having similar prices, and the NS 8D cost about $100 more. As with all Conn horns, the Elkhart instruments have the best reputation and respect. Elkhart 6Ds usually go for $400-500 on ebay, and a valve rebuild to better than new, if needed, would still keep it in the $1000 range. There are any number of after-market leadpipes that turn the 6D into a really exquisite instrument, suitable for professional playing. With the growth in interest in medium bell horns, Geyer size, the rediscovery of the 6D is only a matter of time. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Difference playing a Conn 6D and a Yamaha YHR 567
What about the non-Conn 6D look-alikes (e.g., Olds, Buescher)? -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~ As with all Conn horns, the Elkhart instruments have the best reputation and respect. Elkhart 6Ds usually go for $400-500 on ebay, and a valve rebuild to better than new, if needed, would still keep it in the $1000 range. There are any number of after-market leadpipes that turn the 6D into a really exquisite instrument, suitable for professional playing. With the growth in interest in medium bell horns, Geyer size, the rediscovery of the 6D is only a matter of time. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Difference playing a Conn 6D and a Yamaha YHR 567
What about the non-Conn 6D look-alikes (e.g., Olds, Buescher)? A.C. The Bueschers were stencil horns made by Conn. Internal factory designation was 110D, I believe and they were made in the middle 1950's. Mark L. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horn resistance (not Resistance To The Horn)
Prof. Pizka, I know you are close to retirement, but had no idea that you were so old as to remember what a dinosaur farting sounds like Wrong pronunciation of the word Dino there, Fred. I think Prof Pizka refers to Fred Flintstone's dog. Even I am old enough to remember the family pet. When the Flintstones had company, Fred would f*rt, then beat Dino... which I always considered to be a rather (Hannah)Barberic display violence. jrc in SC PS: On that other resistance subject, I wonder if the Professor thought I was implying resistance was to be avoided. I've heard that sentiment on the list here, but as for me, I *like* some resistance in a horn. I've heard from some (on this list) who do not. And while I'm not sure why there would be no consensus on this resistance issue, I have to think that perhaps a person would like whatever he was used to, be it better or worse. Someone who played an extremely stuffy horn would hate a somewhat stuffy one for being too open. I reckon that's what makes a horse race. At the Hartford, Connecticut IHS workshop (circa '78 or so... speaking of dinosaurs!) I had breakfast with Bob Paxman. Shyness would prevented me from sitting with him, but he saw I was alone and he ASKED me to. So, I did. After being seated, he seemed willing to talk shop, so I asked about Alan Civil's clanking, wheezing Alexander Bb. Surely he can afford to have you rebuild the valves? Mr. Paxman said that he'd tried to get Alan to let him rebuild the Alex's valves, but that Alan had played it for so long, and was so used to it, that he was afraid to let a repairman around valves for fear that he wouldn't be able to play it once it was fixed! Do I get a prize for writing a PS longer than its accompanying letter? ~r ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Violin parts rewritten for Horn?
I need some help with where to find the gentlemen that had transcribed violin solos for horn. I would be interested in purchasing a copy of them. Can any one help me with the gentlemens name and how to contact him. You can email off this hornlist if you wish. Thanks Steve Humfeld IHS member _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Violin parts rewritten for Horn?
On 10/28/04 2:25 PM, Steve Humfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need some help with where to find the gentlemen that had transcribed violin solos for horn. I would be interested in purchasing a copy of them. Can any one help me with the gentlemens name and how to contact him. You can email off this hornlist if you wish. Thanks Are you, perhaps, referring to the Wendell Hoss arrangements of the Bach Cello Suites for horn? If so, you can get the book from many sources; one of them is Southern Music: http://www.smcpublications.com/catalog/music/instrumental/brass/french_horn. htm SIX SUITES BY J.S. BACH, Bach/Hoss, Gr. 6 (B407) 15.00 -Carl ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Horn resistance (not Resistance To The Horn)
Would you prefer another pronounciation ae,g, die-no or dyno ? Resistance: without any resistance, it would make it hard to play a very soft p or pp, right. That is the greatest problem for most players, old, young, skilled or less skilled. Yes, there is some paranoia within the community of elder professionals but dwindling, a paranoia some repair could change the horn. It is really some paranoia. Ask Kendall Betts e.g. or me, we sound like Kendall or Hans, no matter what horn we use. Seems, we have overcome the paranoia. PS: Your PS was quite interesting. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horn resistance
Hans P wrote A ship´ s horn has no tiny lead pipe quite NO resistance, but it sounds like a DINO FART. And Fred B responded Prof. Pizka, I know you are close to retirement, but had no idea that you were so old as to remember what a dinosaur farting sounds like...what is the secret of your longevity? * Actually, this doesn't mean necessarily that Hans P is very old. Paleontologist have long studied coproliths, fossilized dinosaur exrement. In the same strata, they often uncover pediliths, which are fossilized farts. There is a superb collection of pediliths at the Smithsonian Museum in Washington DC. Less superb, but far more numerous, is the collection of fossilized farts on display in the administration building of my university. No doubt the Munich Opera is similarly blessed. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 22, Issue 31
Steve, both the 6D and the 567 are great high school level horns and could be played beyond that. I started on a Conn single F horn but was moved up to a 6D as a sophomore and junior. As a senior I got an 8D but sfter high school graduation I had to take a college horn, which put me back on a 6D. Good horn, though, and I progressed well on it. I even bought my daughter a used 6D when she was in high school. I now play an 8D and in our horn section we have two 8D's, a Holton 187, and a 6D. The holton is the one which has trouble blending in. The only time I ever played a 567 was after I had not played for 10 years, and I would have sounded bad on just about any horn then. :-) Jim McDermott Lake Area Community Orchestra message: 9 date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 21:46:47 -0400 from: Steve Freides [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any education is most welcomed. At the very least, I can see why a beginner would prefer the 6D to the 567 - it is, overall, more forgiving. Many thanks in advance. -S- ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Horn resistance
The Horn Resistance is an underground movement made up of small bands of musical partisans seeking to overthrow the ignominious association of our chosen instrument with anything French. While there are various factions within the resistance (e.g. some who follow Kruspe, while others follow Geyer - not to mention the fiery Bb vs. F division), they unite under the rallying cry: A Saxophone is not a Horn! This is well documented in the clandestine web publication, The Horn Players' FAQ which can be found at http://www.boerger.org/horn/faq.shtml#french. There are no official membership lists for the Horn Resistance, but its members are easily identified when they respond to the pass phrase, What do you play? with the counter-phrase, The Horn. Timothy A. Johnson Information Technologies Northwestern College St. Paul, Minnesota http://tajohnson.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 3:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Horn resistance How do I join the Horn Resistance? What does it do? Is it like the French Resistance? All the best, Lawrence þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg http://lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Difference playing a Conn 6D and a Yamaha YHR 567
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- The Conn 6D design was the original Conn professional model. In the sixties, I seem to recall the 6D and 28D (brass 8D) having similar prices, and the NS 8D cost about $100 more. As with all Conn horns, the Elkhart instruments have the best reputation and respect. Elkhart 6Ds usually go for $400-500 on ebay, and a valve rebuild to better than new, if needed, would still keep it in the $1000 range. There are any number of after-market leadpipes that turn the 6D into a really exquisite instrument, suitable for professional playing. With the growth in interest in medium bell horns, Geyer size, the rediscovery of the 6D is only a matter of time. Bill, I see used 6D's for sale pretty regularly - please, would you or someone else say more about after-market leadpipes, particularly in terms of who makes these and who installs them, e.g., is this something I could mail order and have installed locally or would I send the horn off to someone who'd handle the whole thing? FWIW, since my son's teacher has lent us a 6D more or less indefinitely, I've taken it in to the local shop to have the dents removed and the instrument generally cleaned up - I figure the cost of that is well less than what renting the instrument would have cost us and it's therefore the very least I can do. Since I'm enjoying playing a 6D for now, I would give serious consideration to buying a used one and spending a few hundred dollars to spruce it up it the results would be useable for at least a few years. -S- ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Purple cabbage awards
William S. wrote: First, I hope you understand that being Cabbaged is actually how we know a member is really part of the community here, so welcome. __ I have received three of these purple puppies without hardly ever spending any time on this hornlist delta, very much like my swift friend, Johnny K. of Massachusetts. LJ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Theoretical Minor Keys revisited
I just did some written work and figured out that indeed there would be theoretical 'double flat' key signatures for d flat, g flat and c flat: The c # minor scale: C# D# E F# G# A B C# Which translates to this in d flat minor: Db Eb Fb Gb Ab Bbb Cb Db So you would get a 7 flat key signature, with a double flat on the Bb. A quick run down on g flat and c flat yeilds pretty much the same results: f# minor - F# G# A B C# D E F# g flat minor - Gb Ab Bbb Cb Db Ebb Fb Gb b minor - B C# D E F# G A B c flat minor - Cb Db Ebb Fb Gb Abb Bbb Cb So interestingly enough, it works out with double flats. So, if they theoretically exist, I wonder if there's any music out there that uses those key signatures... -William ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Theoretical Minor Keys revisited
I pray to the theory gods there is no music written in those keys... that would make for excedrin filled days DM Le 29 oct. 04, à 00:40, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : I just did some written work and figured out that indeed there would be theoretical 'double flat' key signatures for d flat, g flat and c flat: The c # minor scale: C# D# E F# G# A B C# Which translates to this in d flat minor: Db Eb Fb Gb Ab Bbb Cb Db So you would get a 7 flat key signature, with a double flat on the Bb. A quick run down on g flat and c flat yeilds pretty much the same results: f# minor - F# G# A B C# D E F# g flat minor - Gb Ab Bbb Cb Db Ebb Fb Gb b minor - B C# D E F# G A B c flat minor - Cb Db Ebb Fb Gb Abb Bbb Cb So interestingly enough, it works out with double flats. So, if they theoretically exist, I wonder if there's any music out there that uses those key signatures... -William ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/morganp2%40msu.edu ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Theoretical Minor Keys revisited
Indeed. However, it might actually be quite satirical to try to write something with 7 sharps and 5 double sharps... *spolier* Its just the key of C... *end of spoiler* However I wonder how many minutes it would take most musicians to see the humor in that and not be thoroughly angry at the composer... -William In a message dated 10/28/2004 9:46:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I pray to the theory gods there is no music written in those keys... that would make for excedrin filled days DM ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Theoretical Minor Keys revisited
Makes me want to do that now... its like the next degree of Cage-humour. Except this is intentionally funny DM Le 29 oct. 04, à 00:49, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Indeed. However, it might actually be quite satirical to try to write something with 7 sharps and 5 double sharps... *spolier* Its just the key of C... *end of spoiler* However I wonder how many minutes it would take most musicians to see the humor in that and not be thoroughly angry at the composer... -William In a message dated 10/28/2004 9:46:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I pray to the theory gods there is no music written in those keys... that would make for excedrin filled days DM ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/morganp2%40msu.edu ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Theoretical Minor Keys revisited
it could be attempted débussy-esque, but then I'd either get sleepy, or vomit from the overwhelmingly etherial-ness(sp?) DM Le 29 oct. 04, à 01:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Sounds like something Stravinksy would try. Charles Ives maybe, although it would have to be conflicting key signatures, or at least something bi-tonal. -William In a message dated 10/28/2004 9:56:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Makes me want to do that now... its like the next degree of Cage-humour. Except this is intentionally funny DM ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/morganp2%40msu.edu ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Horn resistance
No doubt, you got it right regarding the Munich Opera. Thanks -Original Message- Less superb, but far more numerous, is the collection of fossilized farts on display in the administration building of my university. No doubt the Munich Opera is similarly blessed. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
