[Hornlist] International Horn Society
Hornlisters: This is not a paid advertisement, just a personal plug. My membership renewal for the IHS came up this month and as I wrote the check, I thought about why I've been a member all these years---and why I will continue to be a member. I joined soon after the group was founded. At the time, it was a real catalyst in bringing hornplayers together as a band of brothers and sisters, a way of networking, if you will, to help beginners, amateurs, and professionals in sharing the challenges and exciting experience of playing the horn. At first, the publications were small and somewhat amateurish and the membership small, too. Nevertheless, the basic collegiality of hornplayers (as opposed to, say, violinists) really helped the IHS to grow to the point that the annual international symposium is a major event attracting horn players from all over the world. If I'm not mistaken, this internet horn list was also originally initiated by the IHS as a means to further enhance communication among horn players. I think you'll all agree that it is a lively and remarkably informative forum of ideas. So, if you're on this list but not a member, seriously consider becoming a member of the IHS. You'll get an annual membership directory, which is very helpful in locating other hornists wherever you go around the world, and three issues a year of the greatly expanded and quite professionally designed and produced journal, The Horn Call. The journal is chock full of interesting articles, reviews, and updates, some by names familiar on this list. To learn more, go to the IHS web site: www.hornsociety.org End of plug. Richard in Seattle ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Cutiss Blake follow up
I'm sorry to hear that Curtiss has died. He wrote a lot of music including the State Anthem. I got to know him when I lived in Anchorage from 1982 to 1985. There were several hornists that met periodically to play at someones house, and Curtiss sometimes joined the group. There were other opportunities to play (Symphony, Band, and shows), but he was always too busy. For what it's worth, I also remember that he had a very young daughter at the time and she attracted the attention of my very young step-son. Jack Allen - Original Message - From: Peter Hirsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 8:50 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Cutiss Blake follow up Having forwarded information giving directions to the Curtiss Blake collection of horn recordings housed at the University of Wisconsin in Madison, I misplaced the link. When I did a MetaCrawler search a couple of days later to try to find the collection, I found it and I also saw a few links to newspaper articles in the Alaskan press about Blake. When I went to these sites, I was shocked to see that Curtiss, his wife and one of their two daughters died when the four-seater plane that he was piloting crashed back in June of this year. I never had any direct contact with Curtiss, but I was profoundly affected by the knowledge that there was at least one person out there that shared my fascination with hearing all that can be done on horn through casting as wide a net as possible as a collector of recordings of what we all know to be (at least potentially) the most beautiful, spine tingling, sublime (and so on) producer of sound.I'm sorry that I never tracked him down while there was still time to do so, but maybe there is someone on the list reading this that did know him who might want to share something about this obviously unique person. I don't even know if he played horn himself. I have read that he taught music up in Alaska and composed music of some sort, but I know little beyond that. Carpe Diem, Peter Hirsch ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/rjackallen%40cox.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] bells - and the age thing
I wonder to what age can an old man expect to play regularly? Is there some record out there I can shoot for? Hurry with your answer. I'm running out of time. I can't practice much more than I do now, but I'll try. My father is a keen amateur clarinettist aged 78 and still playing regularly as 2nd/bass clarinet in a very good local amateur orchestra. He thinks he still has a year or two left in him, but at that point he's going to retire, not so much because he's finding it harder to play, but rather because his eyesight not as good as it used to be, and he finds it progressively harder to see the music fast enough to play all the notes. As he is in good health otherwise, if I could magically restore his eyesight, then I see no reason why he wouldn't be able to carry on another 5 or 10 years. I hope to be able to play the horn for as long! (For a minor bit of musical history, he was the first ever paying member of the Rehearsal Orchestra, at its first Edinburgh course in 1957.) Regards Jonathan West -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.3 - Release Date: 26/11/2004 ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] bells
A bell that is high quality and very available is the Elkhart Conn 6D. Another is Pottag model Reynolds. These horns were created with medium throat bells. The Holton 77 is also a good candidate, but quite rare. I've been told that the Elkhart Conn 4D shares a bell with the 6D, which would probably go for less than $100 on eBay. Both the Pottag and the 6D come stock with fairly large leadpipes. A Pottag, in good playing shape, would likely be a better playing horn than the Merker, especially in tone quality, but most Americans gravitate to the larger horns. The Pottags I've seen in pro hands tended to be slanted towards solo and ensemble work. I recall seeing a Pottag associated with Jan Bach being offered for $3500. I've modified several 6Ds with smaller leadpipes with terrific results, producing a smaller horn with agile response. Perfect for solo and ensemble work. The 6Ds produced with a Buescher stencil have a modified leadpipe tapering almost to the valves, right through the main tuning slide. This version is vastly superior, but smaller than, the stock 6D. The places that do this kind of modification have businesses to run and custom parts to sell. I've had to learn to do my own work to be able to build an interesting collection and satisfy my own curiosity. My initial investment in tools was about $500, but now I realize that I could get most of that back from someone else wanting to try their hand, and might even be able to find used tools. A couple of junker horns will teach you how much damage is potential and you quickly learn how to approach each task so you can do it over and over until you satisfy your own expectations. If you make a resolution to scrape clean all your solder joints, you very quickly learn how to solder without a mess. Ferrees has everything you need, including a reprint of the Eric Brand repair manual. You won't fully appreciate how much information is in the book until you attempt a task, then go back and reread every word. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Fingering question and a single horn question
So you put in sardines, and out come clams. Pretty fishy, if you ask me. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Fingering question and a single horn question
Check the Lars Kirmser site for serial numbers and you will be able to determine age. The 4D is recognizable in photos because it has the deco leadpipe and bell braces that distinguish the 6D and 8D. The 14D braces are just curved wire, not squared off. If you search for Reynolds horns, they often list the model, but you might have to ask. A Contempora will be marked on the bell. Cleveland horns are serial numbered 99,999 and lower. Abilene horns started numbering at 200,000, in 1964. Be prepared for a single F to play smaller than the F side of a double. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Bells Up Definition
Is it possible to get a definitive answer as to how to hold the horn when the music calls for bells up? I ashamed to say that in all of high school and college and even my daughter's horn performance degree, no one has given us the proper way to play bells up. Do you keep your hand in the horn and raise the bell horizontally or do you hold the bottom of the bel amd lift it above horizontal? Jim McDermott Lake Area Community Orchestra ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Bells Up Definition
I keep the hand in the bell in a position that changes the pitch the least. I've actually heard of horn players literally removing their hand from the bell to play it, but how do you keep the pitch down?! The horns are built to have hands in the bell. Try and not point it at your section mate's ear drum:) Chris --- Jim McDermott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to get a definitive answer as to how to hold the horn when the music calls for bells up? I ashamed to say that in all of high school and college and even my daughter's horn performance degree, no one has given us the proper way to play bells up. Do you keep your hand in the horn and raise the bell horizontally or do you hold the bottom of the bel amd lift it above horizontal? Jim McDermott Lake Area Community Orchestra ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tedesccj%40yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Fingering question and a single horn question
You misunderstood me, the sardines have to be put into the ears to tilt the sound of the fishy clams. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 7:46 PM To: The Horn List Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Fingering question and a single horn question So you put in sardines, and out come clams. Pretty fishy, if you ask me. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] IHS membership
On 29 Nov 2004, Richard V. West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote, part: If I'm not mistaken, this internet horn list was also originally initiated by the IHS as a means to further enhance communication among horn players. I think you'll all agree that it is a lively and remarkably informative forum of ideas. This list actually began as a small group of hornists trying to explore what was then fairly new technological territory for many of us--the Internet and discussion groups. The IHS was asked to sponsor the list in order that the list might serve as another free benefit of membership, and thus originally one needed to be an IHS member in order to participate. Over time, that membership requirement was dropped in the hope that list participation would lead to a desire to be in the IHS. Eventually the IHS decided to withdraw that loose sponsorship relationship. So the list has been formally affiliated with the IHS at one time in its existence, but it was not started by the IHS. I hope that the list offers a lively and informative forum for ideas and information. Sometimes we wander away from informative and sometimes we mistake a loss of collegiality for liveliness, but generally I think the list has been a good thing for a lot of hornists. Over 900 of you apparently think so at this moment. As for Richard's primary purpose in writing (to plug and encourage IHS renewals and new memberships), I couldn't agree more. If you are not an IHS member, please give that thought a lot of consideration. It is worth your $$! Gary Greene horn list owner ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Cutiss Blake follow up
For a link to the news articles that I referred to: http://www.slackdavis.com/news_article.php/news_id/argval/732/argname/back_link/argval/index http://www.adn.com/obituaries/story/5332509p-5270541c.html -- message: 17 date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 01:06:39 -0700 from: rjackallen [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: Re: [Hornlist] Cutiss Blake follow up I'm sorry to hear that Curtiss has died. He wrote a lot of music including the State Anthem. I got to know him when I lived in Anchorage from 1982 to 1985. There were several hornists that met periodically to play at someones house, and Curtiss sometimes joined the group. There were other opportunities to play (Symphony, Band, and shows), but he was always too busy. For what it's worth, I also remember that he had a very young daughter at the time and she attracted the attention of my very young step-son. Jack Allen - Original Message - From: Peter Hirsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 8:50 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Cutiss Blake follow up Having forwarded information giving directions to the Curtiss Blake collection of horn recordings housed at the University of Wisconsin in Madison, I misplaced the link. When I did a MetaCrawler search a couple of days later to try to find the collection, I found it and I also saw a few links to newspaper articles in the Alaskan press about Blake. When I went to these sites, I was shocked to see that Curtiss, his wife and one of their two daughters died when the four-seater plane that he was piloting crashed back in June of this year. I never had any direct contact with Curtiss, but I was profoundly affected by the knowledge that there was at least one person out there that shared my fascination with hearing all that can be done on horn through casting as wide a net as possible as a collector of recordings of what we all know to be (at least potentially) the most beautiful, spine tingling, sublime (and so on) producer of sound.I'm sorry that I never tracked him down while there was still time to do so, but maybe there is someone on the list reading this that did know him who might want to share something about this obviously unique person. I don't even know if he played horn himself. I have read that he taught music up in Alaska and composed music of some sort, but I know little beyond that. Carpe Diem, Peter Hirsch ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Iconography of the horn
If you are interested in a wide range of horn-related images, check out: http://www.unh.edu/music/Icon/ighnkidxr.htm It will give you a lot of citations, though it does not contain digital files of the images themselves. The amount of work that must have gone into this is pretty impressive. Enjoy, Peter Hirsch ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Fw: [horn] Conn or Hoyer
- Original Message - From: stampede_horn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 7:38 PM Subject: [horn] Conn or Hoyer So, I am looking to purchase my own horn, which would you all tihnk would be better for the buck a hans hoyer, or a Conn 8D? I tink that it isn't the buck, but the horn that you feel the most comfortable with and performs the best for you when playing it. Only YOU can be the judge of that. Amitiés...Laurent Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/horn/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Fw: [horn] Conn or Hoyer
I auditioned a Hoyer at Patterson's shop. Very responsive - great valves. Then I played an Elkhart and decided the edge went to the Hoyer. Much more expensive, however (about $6,000)! I bought the Patterson Custom instead with no regrets. Mike -Original Message- From: Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 29, 2004 10:26 PM To: The Horn List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Hornlist] Fw: [horn] Conn or Hoyer - Original Message - From: stampede_horn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 7:38 PM Subject: [horn] Conn or Hoyer So, I am looking to purchase my own horn, which would you all tihnk would be better for the buck a hans hoyer, or a Conn 8D? I tink that it isn't the buck, but the horn that you feel the most comfortable with and performs the best for you when playing it. Only YOU can be the judge of that. Amitiés...Laurent Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/horn/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/fhornmike%40earthlink.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
