Re: [Hornlist] Equipment for beginners
Greetings - I will have a 4D for sale at IHS2005 in Tuscaloosa June 5-10. More than one if there's interest. I can ship from there. Please contact me privately for more information if you are interested. Regards, Carlberg Original Message: From: David Crane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Conn 4D single F horns, the older, the better! mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Equipment for beginners
For yourself: musician's ear plugs. Seriously. At those sound levels industrial workers are required to protect their hearing. Herb Foster --- Rory McDaniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm one of those crazy horn players that has chosen to be a middle school band director. I have my own opinions on what types of instruments and mouthpieces should be used for beginning horn players, but I'm interested to know the opinions of everyone else out there. Perhaps another way to word it is what would you recommend a middle school director purchase for his beginners. If you like a specific make/model, please list it, if you just have general characteristics you look for, tell me those too. I look forward to your responses. Thanks, Rory ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Haydn Concerto for two horns K100
I am searching for a piano reduction of the Haydn Concerto for two horns K100, and would greatly appreciate any assistance any of you might provide. Thank you Dan Fairchild Department of Fine Arts Chair University of Wisconsin Platteville 1 University Plaza Platteville, WI 53818 608-342-1123 Fax 608-342-1039 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Haydn Concerto for Two Horns
Dan F wrote I am searching for a piano reduction of the Haydn Concerto for two horns K100, and would greatly appreciate any assistance any of you might provide. *** It's hard to believe that Mozart was only a teenager when he wrote this piece. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] re; beginner equipment
Rory and all, I'm an elementary instrumental music teacher in PA. I've considered buying single Bb horns. I know of no one else who uses them, but I see obvious advantages and realities; 1. Two less open notes between C and C!!! 2. A little fuller sound 3. Lighter!!! 4. I know that the best fingerings for the double horn are not all on the Bb side. The reality is that every kid who starts on a single F horn has to relearn some fingerings. If he/she starts on a Bb, it comes out even, right? I'd be curious to know what any of you do at the beginner level. Mark J. Syslo ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] beginner horns
Tis asked I'm one of those crazy horn players that has chosen to be a middle school band director. I have my own opinions on what types of instruments and mouthpieces should be used for beginning horn players, but I'm interested to know the opinions of everyone else out there. Perhaps another way to word it is what would you recommend a middle school director purchase for his beginners. If you like a specific make/model, please list it, if you just have general characteristics you look for, tell me those too. I would suggest using natural horns made with crooks in F,E, Eb,D and. These horns should be American made and cost no more than $1000 with all the crooks. (inside joke) Imagine how easy it would be to teach a class of 5th grade natural horn players. No fingering to worry about or use as an excuse. Just make sure the music is all open and they have the right crooks in. Ear training from the git go. LB ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] re; beginner equipment
I have done both F and Bb horns and have had success with both. The fingering problem from F horn is not really a problem. When you change to a double horn I suggest you get out the Clarke Tech Studies for trumpet. Study number 1 will starting on 3rd space C will solve the new fingerings, and study number 2 stating on first space F will solve the thumb valve problem. I agree that pitch placement is always a problem on the F horn, so I insist that all students sing everything they play. Most F horns are really bad above 3rd space C, so your Idea is really sound. Dan Fairchild On 4/18/05 2:50 PM, Mark J. Syslo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rory and all, I'm an elementary instrumental music teacher in PA. I've considered buying single Bb horns. I know of no one else who uses them, but I see obvious advantages and realities; 1. Two less open notes between C and C!!! 2. A little fuller sound 3. Lighter!!! 4. I know that the best fingerings for the double horn are not all on the Bb side. The reality is that every kid who starts on a single F horn has to relearn some fingerings. If he/she starts on a Bb, it comes out even, right? I'd be curious to know what any of you do at the beginner level. Mark J. Syslo ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/fairchig%40uwplatt.edu ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Equipment for beginners
They're going to let you buy new instruments? I always thought it was the rule that if the kid wants an instrument that works, he has to get his own. The Yamaha student models aren't bad, really. Mine lasted way longer than it should have. - Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Haydn Concerto for two horns K100
Have a look on my website www.pizka.de/Pizka-music.htm and go to the 2 horn piano section. There you will find it. You just have to order it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Fairchild Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 5:18 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Haydn Concerto for two horns K100 I am searching for a piano reduction of the Haydn Concerto for two horns K100, and would greatly appreciate any assistance any of you might provide. Thank you Dan Fairchild Department of Fine Arts Chair University of Wisconsin Platteville 1 University Plaza Platteville, WI 53818 608-342-1123 Fax 608-342-1039 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.d e ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] beginner horns
I start most of my beginner students on an appropriately sized horn - either double or F. The first lessons are without instrument: singing, matching pitches and intervals, recognizing intervals that I play on horn and piano, and buzzing. Breathing exercises also are important at this time. Then I add the mouthpiece to the mix, and the student matches the pitch and then intervals I play. After all of this, we begin on open F horn. I can describe specific exercises if anyone is interested. Improvisation is also started at the beginning - first rhythmically, then vocally, and then on the horn - even if the student knows only one note, improvisation is possible. Ellen Manthe ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] beginner horns
I highly recommend the Conn 6d, preferably an elkhardt if you can find one. If one is not avaible, get some Yamaha 567's. They play really well for the price tag and are a much smaller wrap than the 6d (smaller players*). On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 Leonard Brown wrote : Tis asked I'm one of those crazy horn players that has chosen to be a middle school band director. I have my own opinions on what types of instruments and mouthpieces should be used for beginning horn players, but I'm interested to know the opinions of everyone else out there. Perhaps another way to word it is what would you recommend a middle school director purchase for his beginners. If you like a specific make/model, please list it, if you just have general characteristics you look for, tell me those too. I would suggest using natural horns made with crooks in F,E, Eb,D and. These horns should be American made and cost no more than $1000 with all the crooks. (inside joke) Imagine how easy it would be to teach a class of 5th grade natural horn players. No fingering to worry about or use as an excuse. Just make sure the music is all open and they have the right crooks in. Ear training from the git go. LB ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/waldhorn%40rediffmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Equipment for beginners
I would have to say that for the most part, beginners should start on a double horn. There are many reasons: 1. Parents don't pay for a horn that is unusable in a year or so and pay only slightly more for a more usable instrument. 2. Students can acclaimate more easily and advance more quickly 3. Comfort with the instrument 4. Less frustration with the limitations of a single instrument( not all band directors pick pieces that are within range of a single for 5th and 6th graders - happens too often). 5. Makes instrutors happy because there is less stress of advancement ( private and ensemble) On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 Alan Cole wrote : Here is some opinionated orthodoxy on the subject, to wit: Any student learning to play horn as a beginner -- whether switching to horn from some other instrument or starting out on horn as the student's very first instrument -- should always get started on a single horn in F. Starting on an F horn is important not only to keep matters simple for the beginning player, but also so the student will form the correct concept of how the horn is supposed to sound, how it is supposed to respond up down the scale, how it works, the orientation response of the horn's characteristic range voice, etc. After an appropriate degree of progress, the horn student will be ready to graduate from a single horn in F to a double horn in F B-flat. Some advanced students will be able to benefit from occasionally using a more specialized instrument like a single horn in B-flat. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Mostestest of LOLings!!!
Now, please also read completely the descriptions and make your biddings accordinglys! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=16215item=7316516660r d=1 Kindestest of Greetonings and Mostestest of Guffawings, Prof. I. M. Gestopftmitscheist Principal 8th horn and Principal 4th Wagner Tuber, Schplittenotendorf am Oedland Staatsoper und Philharmoniker, (ret.) Solo Horn, Exit 2 Brass Quintet Hornist, Broken Winds WW Quintet Solo 4th Horn (Leader, call me for bookings), Smirnoff Horn Quartet Assistant Associate Principal Mellophone, NJ Turnpike Authority Drum and Bugle Corps, The Phantom Lane Changers Hornist as Needed, L'Ensemble du Chambre des Palourdes Principal Natural Horn, I Soloisti di Feces Principal Baroque and Hunting Horn, Camarata Vongoleforte Adjunct, Part-time, Arms-length Professor of Horn and Pest Control, Exit 2 Community College, Exit 2, NJ Author, The Kopprasch Connection, Kopprasch for Fun and Profit, Kopprasch for the New Millenium: Where Do you Fit In? Hooked on Hornonics, and What If Saddam Had Given Ouday and Qusay Olds Ambassador or Conn Pan American Single F Horns and a Kopprasch Book Instead of AK 47's, Booze and Porn? Founder, Director and CEO, Universal Institute for the Study, Preservation and Dissemination of Kopprasch Throughout the Solar System Founder and Guru Extraordinaire, Hornaholics Anonymous Grand Poobah of the Koppraschian Kult Director and Program Manager, The All Kopprasch Channel (AKC), Kopprasch Public Radio (KPR) Host of The Kopprasch Factor on AKC and All Kopprasch Considered on KPR Founder of Kopprasch Depot, your one stop shop for all you need! Interplanetarily Known Soloist and Artist of Record Exclusive Bundy, Carl Fischer, Olds Ambassador, Sansone and Conn Artist Who Does Not Get His Horns For Free Phone: yes Fax: yes E-mail: yes Website: no ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Mostestest of LOLings!!!
But it's a French Horn that looks like a trumpet - it's one of a kind! -S- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] du] On Behalf Of G Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 8:50 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Mostestest of LOLings!!! --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, please also read completely the descriptions and make your biddings accordinglys! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=16215i tem=7316516660r d=1 The real funny part of it is that some dummy will buy it. And he/she will have paid more in shipping than it's worth in the first place. Gary Get Firefox!!http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/central.html ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve%40fridaysc omputer.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Equipment for beginners
Hi, I gotta go with this side of the camp. I see no logical reason why a beginner shouldn't start on a double. Nor would I prefer to tell a beginner that they should start on trumpet and then switch to the horn in a few years. I seriously doubt that an 11yo is going to understand the logic behind such a request...all they know is that they want to play the horn, and someone is telling them they can't. What better way to set a kid up to fail? Same goes with oboes and bassoons. While I'm at it...what qualities do I look for in a kid that wants to play the horn? That's it right there. They want to play the horn. Whether or not the kid continues to play the horn, is good at it, wants to be a pro, or just plays for the hell of it is up to the kid. Part of your job as a teacher is to ensure that the kid is responsible for learning the horn. Don't EVER tell a beginner that the horn is the hardest instrument to play. Who cares? I really don't believe that the horn is any harder than any other instrument. Sure, horn players may make more mistakes per capita than other instruments (at least the critics pounce on horn players more than others...see Chapter One of Tuckwell's book: The Horn Player Missed A Note), but should this be a deterrent at a young and impressionable age? I think not. I was told from the word go that the horn was hard. Once I got it through the Kevlar enclosing my Brain Housing Group that it wasn't any harder than anything else, I improved. I would also add that if you are constantly drilling scales to a beginner, you're going to burn them out in a big hurry. Yes, scales are important at the beginning, but you must also understand that the reason a kid wants to learn an instrument is because they want to learn to play songs. So while you're assigning scales, teach them to play simple little songs like Mary Had A Little Lamb, and teach it to them without music. Have them push the right buttons and reproduce the right notes. Don't get too wrapped around the axle about tone quality; that's something that will develop over a period of years. Accuracy is more important than tone at the beginning; the child is going to want to play the right notes first. That kid's parent(s) will think you are the greatest teacher in the world when you send them home after the first lesson having learned a song, and that will be one hell of a happy kid, and the parent(s) will believe that their money is being well-spent, especially when you raise your rates. Teaching children is not about creating the next (insert your favorite horn-god's name here). It's about giving a child the opportunity to learn to create something enjoyable in a world that is obsessed with destruction. You're not just a horn teacher, you are a music teacher, and to teach youngins the joy of music is what all this smoke-filled, coffee-house, under-funded, non-existent National Endowment for the Arts crap is all about. Then you can hit them over the head with Kopprasch. Gary Get Firefox!!http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/central.html ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] re: beginner equipment
Mark S wrote regarding the Bb horn: 2. A little fuller sound +++ What makes a fuller sound is the amount of overtones in the given note. A shorter horn will never have more overtones so there is no way a single B horn is going to have a fuller sound than a single F. Ear training is the key. Recommend the Schantl Grand Theoretical and Practical Method after initial range problems are dealt with. Even if it is pseudo self study the basics that are taught here are tremendously valuable. Combine this with the previously mentioned singing drills and you will be in business. I have a friend who was not allowed to start the horn before completing a solfege book in all of the various clefs (sometime in the 40's). His ear developed significantly before beginning the horn including a thorough knowledge of all of the clefs. The Jack Attack! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Dennis Brain's Stereo Recordings... (PING! Particularly Mr Hirsch)
...seem to be hovering around the number ZERO, with not much chance of that score improving. As far as I know, there are no stereo recordings of DB, but perhaps some of you know something I don't. The best-sounding recording he made (that I'm aware of) is the Hindemith Horn Concerto with Hindemith conducting. I have the Hindemith concerto on an old 1950's US release on the Angel label (BW cover), as well as having it on a set of Japanese reissue LP's ***AND*** a Japanese CD set. Many of my old Philharmonia releases (likewise, on the Angel label here in the US) are in perfect condition, and appear unplayed, but most sound as if they were recorded on an 8-track tape through a microphone hung in the men's restroom somewhere in Basingstoke. (tip-of-the-hat to Gilbert Sullivan for immortalizing that British town in the musical comedy, Ruddigore. as you surely know, Basingstoke was the secret word spoken to Mad Margaret to stave off one of her frequent fits of maniacal laughter. It's been about 30-years, but I remember asking our orchestra director [Brian Daubney, whom we imported each year for the next play] to tell me about this town whose name was, (and I quote) ...teems with hidden meaning. Daubney told me that the script footnotes Basingstoke as being, a small town on the English coast, which is of absolutely NO importance) So, considering the quality of the captured sound, which of DB's recordings sounds the best to your ears? So far, I vote for the Hindemith, but I've only heard what's here on my shelf. jrc in SC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
