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Hello Rob or Robert, You hit the right point definitely, the point where our society has become weak & ineffective since years. Yelling at students, as Mr.Louttit might have suggested regarding my fathers teaching method - even he never got the chance to meet him - , this is a myth regarding the past. How did it work ? When the student appeared for the lesson & was not prepared enough, he had to produce a reasonable excuse & got his lesson. If the excuse was not reasonable & the student just lazy, my father sent him home after few minutes, but the lesson had to be paid anyway. The same happen with Gottfried von Freibergs teaching. He sent students home after a few minutes, telling them, they stole his time & should come back when they had made their homework. But if you were well prepared, the lesson could take up to two hours, but infront of all listening classmates who gained a lot by just listening, how he worked & advanced with the best students. This was a most natural selection, caused by the student himself. If you missed a note or if you had a mistake in a solo within the student orchestra, no yelling from the conductor as this would have been useless. Too many mistakes, you got less points. If you were not prepared well enough, and if this happen severaltimes, you had to leave the orchestra & start over again the next semester. You lost one semester at least. This means hard education for some people - see above -, but it is not. It just separates good from foul. It is much better to select earlier than later, when depending on the income. It is a natural process, if they like it or not, but has nothing to do with harshness or hard education. It is just natural. It has also something to do with intelligence. And in the profession: If the conductor starts yelling at the (professional) musicians, he disqualifies himself. If many musicians were not as selfish & stupid as they are often, they would cooperate at best & succeed in deposing such self esteemed tyrrants. Fortunately, there are just very few of these tyrrants. But if people regard highest demand & perfectionism as unjust & tyrranic & evil, who can help them but they themselves by dismissing & leaving the orchestra & looking for another profession or making themselves self employed by founding their own ensemble or chamber orchestra & taking up the baton, but becoming the most demanding tyrrants themselves. But this includes a lot of risks. So the wheel starts from the beginning again. Sorry. Playing by fear !? Fear to fail ? Yes, but only if the ambition is set too high. One should be objective in self judging ones potentials & just go forward step by step. I would not see fear then. But exaggerating ones own potentials lead to exceed ones potentials, resulting in failure & again resulting in fear. The wrong person in front would multiply the fear indeed. Educating by fear is indeed the wrong method, but educating by showing the right example, showing the success by discipline, that works. But this is old fashion. And again, intelligence counts here. Thanks for your letter. Greetings from old Europe Hans === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rob schmidtke Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 11:24 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] My fathers past - to Mark Louttit & others blah blah blah. Hans you are great, well informed and the horn master. I hope you don't feel the need to defend yourself to anyone here. your info and imput are invaluable to people on this list. Those who don't like it can delete it. I myself read evryones post and lean from alot of them. I myself think that people are getting wrapped up in what I call the " Barny the Dinosore syndrome". The way to succeede in the music bussiness is hard work and practice. I am a product of German parents who instilled in me a work ethic, something I don't see all that much today . I teach two days a week at a local High school. So many kids today think that respect is just given for the mere fact that you are breathing and sitting upright. Alot of kids think that you should get a pat on the back for doing the bare minimum ( showing up on time , not disrupting class, holding their instrument ) I was told as a kid " you can do anything you want in life, but it takes work" . If you want to play in all state orchestra or band you have to practice. When I was in school ( when the earth was still cooling ), we played by fear. Not something I believe in , but that was how it was done. I would hardly look my band director in the eye, let alone question him . Why was not a word I ever heard anyone use. You just did what you were told. The "fun" in high school band was the rush you got from doing a good job, playing a good concert. I'll never forget the times we had a day (usually after a performance
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Learning from Hans (with a NHR twist)
Bill, what did Bohr say? Looks like the quote is missing a word or two(?)
Fred
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Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 5:08 PM
Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: Learning from Hans (with a NHR twist)
Well it was the Danes who gave us Niels Bohr. He did have one great line,
among others I'm sure. Bohrs upon hearing of Einstein's protests that
quantum physics could not be right because, "God does not play at dice with
the Universe," said "I was Einstein would quite telling God what to do."
Not to forget Victor Borge.
-Original Message-
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Klaus Bjerre
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 6:56 PM
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Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Learning from Hans (with a NHR twist)
--- David Goldberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Klaus Bjerre wrote:
> Now that we have the attention of a couple of true connoisseurs of
British English, I have a
question:
>
> HM the Queen has four household guards on foot and 2 mounted ones.
>
Well, I have a question too. If , as Klaus sez:
"HM the Queen has four household guards on foot and 2 mounted ones."
then how many legs are there altogether? (see answer below)
And I have another question - why does HM the Queen have two horses in
her house?
{ David Goldberg: [EMAIL PROTECTED] }
{ Math Dept, Washtenaw Community College }
{ Ann Arbor Michigan }
ÿ (22 legs altogether, counting the Queen)
I like that sort of humour. You almost have qualified to be naturalised as a
Dane. Which would
bring not bring you to many benefits, as our prime minister takes a pride in
cloning your
president. Without getting personal nor political: none of them are artists
in the sense of being
a musician.
Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre
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Re: [Hornlist] My fathers past ...
Carlberg Jones wrote:
What's the primary resonating frequency of my bathroom? It's 291 cm
x 113 cm x 238 cm. That would help me get a reference pitch while
showering so when I warm up on my mouthpiece afterwards I won't
have to use a tuning fork.
At 8:21 PM -0400 9/4/06, David Goldberg wrote:
You have three resonant notes, about Bb2, a sharp D4, and a flat D3.
Well, David, spoken like a true mathematician. Three answers. Are
they all right? I mean, sound is not a straight line; it resonates
through the entire cavity, filling it with lovely harmonies. Surely
with the measurements I gave there would be one and only one
("primary" ?) frequency which would resonate more than others.
I'm no math expert, but in less time than an Einstein could do it in
her head, I can walk to my bathroom and determine that - - - yes!
It's a . . . no, an . . . A at 220 cps according to my Korg CA-20
tuner.
Thank you for not bothering me with the calculations, which I
wouldn't understand.
I'll bet this would make a great problem for your math students.
Maybe it could have a practical application such as designing
bathrooms to produce the right resonating frequency. Like a Bb for
trumpet players, an F for horn players, a wide range of notes for
trombone players, and white noise for clarinet players.
Carlberg Jones
Guanajuato, Gto.
MEXICO
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Re: [Hornlist] My fathers past ...
Carlberg Jones wrote:
What's the primary resonating frequency of my bathroom? It's 291 cm x
113 cm x 238 cm. That would help me get a reference pitch while
showering so when I warm up on my mouthpiece afterwards I won't have
to use a tuning fork.
Thanks!
You have three resonant notes, about Bb2, a sharp D4, and a flat D3. It
might be a little tight in there, but you and two amigos buenos could
play Reicha trios there to good effect. But if the shower is on, it
would affect the humidity, and that will affect the pitch. Maybe
improve it. And it will help if each of you aims his or her bell at a
different wall.
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{ Ann Arbor Michigan }
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RE: [Hornlist] Re: Learning from Hans (with a NHR twist)
Well it was the Danes who gave us Niels Bohr. He did have one great line,
among others I'm sure. Bohrs upon hearing of Einstein's protests that
quantum physics could not be right because, "God does not play at dice with
the Universe," said "I was Einstein would quite telling God what to do."
Not to forget Victor Borge.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Klaus Bjerre
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 6:56 PM
To: The Horn List
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Learning from Hans (with a NHR twist)
--- David Goldberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Klaus Bjerre wrote:
> > Now that we have the attention of a couple of true connoisseurs of
British English, I have a
> question:
> >
> > HM the Queen has four household guards on foot and 2 mounted ones.
> >
> Well, I have a question too. If , as Klaus sez:
>
> "HM the Queen has four household guards on foot and 2 mounted ones."
>
> then how many legs are there altogether? (see answer below)
>
> And I have another question - why does HM the Queen have two horses in
> her house?
>
>
>{ David Goldberg: [EMAIL PROTECTED] }
> { Math Dept, Washtenaw Community College }
> { Ann Arbor Michigan }
ÿ (22 legs altogether, counting the Queen)
I like that sort of humour. You almost have qualified to be naturalised as a
Dane. Which would
bring not bring you to many benefits, as our prime minister takes a pride in
cloning your
president. Without getting personal nor political: none of them are artists
in the sense of being
a musician.
Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre
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Re: [Hornlist] Re: Learning from Hans (with a NHR twist)
--- David Goldberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Klaus Bjerre wrote:
> > Now that we have the attention of a couple of true connoisseurs of British
> > English, I have a
> question:
> >
> > HM the Queen has four household guards on foot and 2 mounted ones.
> >
> Well, I have a question too. If , as Klaus sez:
>
> "HM the Queen has four household guards on foot and 2 mounted ones."
>
> then how many legs are there altogether? (see answer below)
>
> And I have another question - why does HM the Queen have two horses in
> her house?
>
>
>{ David Goldberg: [EMAIL PROTECTED] }
> { Math Dept, Washtenaw Community College }
> { Ann Arbor Michigan }
ÿ (22 legs altogether, counting the Queen)
I like that sort of humour. You almost have qualified to be naturalised as a
Dane. Which would
bring not bring you to many benefits, as our prime minister takes a pride in
cloning your
president. Without getting personal nor political: none of them are artists in
the sense of being
a musician.
Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre
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[Hornlist] Re: Learning from Hans (with a NHR twist) By now only the twist!
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Looking here: > > _http://www.army.mod.uk/coldstreamguards/history.htm_ > (http://www.army.mod.uk/coldstreamguards/history.htm) > > will lead you to a history of the regiment which tells you how the regiment > was formed: > > "The town of Coldstream, because the General did it the honour to make it > the piece of his residence for some time hath given title to a small company > of > men whom God hath made instruments of Great Things; and though poor, yet > honest as ever corrupt Nature produced into the world, by the no > dishonourable > name of Coldstreamers." > > They may also attempt to persuade you to join there number, which temptation ÿ I urge you to resist. As Im always up for good joke, I would say: If they want me, they may have me! I am turning 59 this month. I never were drafted for our army, because I suffer from the same joint condition as circus contortionists. Back then they still supplemented our small provincial regimental bands with musically skilled draftees, so I probably would have been in a band. Today tubular support for walking, either sticks or crutches, but if they enlisted me directly at the rank of colonel, I gladly would ride a horse in their parades. I even would enjoy conducting their band while sitting on a horseback. My left hand would be tied up by the reins, but I think I am enough of a horseman to indicate the dynamic levels by the head position of the horse. With the band of my youth I in 1967 marched several shows at military display in Liverpool (even played at the stage of the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Hall). I was deeply impressed by the Shire horses at the adjacent agricultural display. So make me a colonel, give me a Shire horse, and call in a crane from the Royal Engineers, whenever I am to be mounted. And please dont forget to set up a courier service to the nearest pub. Without music, a little laughing, and some fantasy life would be a misery. And the fantasy isnt that farfetched. While I still had horses, I on a landscape ride passed a house, where some of my friends enjoyed a beer on a veranda at ground level. They called me and invited me to join for another beer. For the joke of it, they asked me not to dismount, but to ride into the veranda. The environment was relaxed, so Karoline, my mare, took the chance to relieve herself. Fortunately with #2, which my friends immediately removed with a shovel and a broom (good for the roses). They explicitly had invited me AND the horse in-doors, so I left the company a little later without dismounting, and we all still were friends. Those were the days. And #1 would not have been popular. Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] My fathers past - to Mark Louttit & others
At 7:22 PM -0400 9/4/06, David Goldberg wrote: Music is too math. So is everything else. Is mathematics music to your ears by chance? What's the primary resonating frequency of my bathroom? It's 291 cm x 113 cm x 238 cm. That would help me get a reference pitch while showering so when I warm up on my mouthpiece afterwards I won't have to use a tuning fork. Thanks! Carlberg Jones Guanajuato, Gto. MEXICO ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] My fathers past - to Mark Louttit & others
Which is a better horn, Elkhart 8D or Kruspe?
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rob schmidtke wrote:
> Music is not math, there is more than one right answer in music.
Whoa, rob - Who composed Beethoven's 9th symphony? See - only one
right answer. And what's the square root of 9? It's 3 or -3. See -
two right answers. Music is too math. So is everything else.
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Re: [Hornlist] My fathers past - to Mark Louttit & others
rob schmidtke wrote:
Music is not math, there is more than one right answer in music.
Whoa, rob - Who composed Beethoven's 9th symphony? See - only one
right answer. And what's the square root of 9? It's 3 or -3. See -
two right answers. Music is too math. So is everything else.
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Re: [Hornlist] Re: Learning from Hans (with a NHR twist)
Klaus Bjerre wrote:
Now that we have the attention of a couple of true connoisseurs of British
English, I have a question:
HM the Queen has four household guards on foot and 2 mounted ones.
Well, I have a question too. If , as Klaus sez:
"HM the Queen has four household guards on foot and 2 mounted ones."
then how many legs are there altogether? (see answer below)
And I have another question - why does HM the Queen have two horses in
her house?
{ David Goldberg: [EMAIL PROTECTED] }
{ Math Dept, Washtenaw Community College }
{ Ann Arbor Michigan }
==
.
.
.
.
.
.
(22 legs altogether, counting the Queen)
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Re: [Hornlist] My fathers past - to Mark Louttit & others
blah blah blah. Hans you are great, well informed and the horn master. I hope you don't feel the need to defend yourself to anyone here. your info and imput are invaluable to people on this list. Those who don't like it can delete it. I myself read evryones post and lean from alot of them. I myself think that people are getting wrapped up in what I call the " Barny the Dinosore syndrome". The way to succeede in the music bussiness is hard work and practice. I am a product of German parents who instilled in me a work ethic, something I don't see all that much today . I teach two days a week at a local High school. So many kids today think that respect is just given for the mere fact that you are breathing and sitting upright. Alot of kids think that you should get a pat on the back for doing the bare minimum ( showing up on time , not disrupting class, holding their instrument ) I was told as a kid " you can do anything you want in life, but it takes work" . If you want to play in all state orchestra or band you have to practice. When I was in school ( when the earth was still cooling ), we played by fear. Not something I believe in , but that was how it was done. I would hardly look my band director in the eye, let alone question him . Why was not a word I ever heard anyone use. You just did what you were told. The "fun" in high school band was the rush you got from doing a good job, playing a good concert. I'll never forget the times we had a day (usually after a performance) that the band director asked us what we wanted to do. Everyone wanted to sight read new music. Now a days the kids want more time to do there homework, or watch a movie, or sit around and play computer games.. As a private instructor, I always tell my students that my job is to make myself obsolete. In other words my job is to give you the tools to figure out any problem in playing, learning the music, how to practice, getting their own sound, and figureing out technical problems from a musical standpoint. That importance of the air , canceling the resistance of any particular note etc, etc etc. Students should learn every time they put the horn to there face, not just with their teacher in the room. I myself continue to learn every day. Music is organic, it is a living and breathing art form. Music is not math, there is more than one right answer in music. The constants are: right notes, good pitch, absolute rhythem, and observing the composers intentions. The beauty , excitement, and artistery come from each of us. Rob Schmidtke hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: To Mark Louttit: My father served in the German Army (Luftwaffe, Fallschirmjaeger) from 1942-Feb.1945, but has neither got on board of any aircraft in his life nor delivered any shot at nobody, as far as I know. He instead played first horn in the Luftwaffen Corps Symphony, also in the symphony orchestra in Metz (1941-44 under Rudolf Nilius cond.)& as a substitute on first horn in Saarbruecken & has taught the horn at the Metz Conservatory (1941-44). He had letter exchange with his former students until few years before his death. If you know different things about my father, special about perhaps hidden nazi past, feel free to send me these informations including the source. I am most thankful for any information. I for myself have never worn any other uniform than that of the music bands I have played during my study. My uniforms were & are tuxedo & dresscoat & tails and I never served in any military organisation. Hans Pizka That´s the reason, why I am writing this: > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/rob_schmidtke%40yahoo.com - Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Hans...very sad comments
Well said, Sir. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carlberg Jones Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 4:33 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Hans...very sad comments At 2:28 PM -0700 9/4/06, matthew scheffelman wrote: >I encourage all to petition the list owner to ban this person out of >this list. The horn list has been free of censorship except by its own members, which is happening now. This is the delightful beauty of it. Please, no changes. Thank you. Carlberg Jones Guanajuato, Gto. MEXICO ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Learning from Hans (with a NHR twist)
In a message dated 04/09/2006 23:05:41 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They may also attempt to persuade you to join there number, which temptation I urge you to resist. tut tut - join "THEIR" number ! ! ! a typing error, not lack of knowledge. All the best, Lawrence ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Learning from Hans (with a NHR twist)
Looking here: _http://www.army.mod.uk/coldstreamguards/history.htm_ (http://www.army.mod.uk/coldstreamguards/history.htm) will lead you to a history of the regiment which tells you how the regiment was formed: "The town of Coldstream, because the General did it the honour to make it the piece of his residence for some time hath given title to a small company of men whom God hath made instruments of Great Things; and though poor, yet honest as ever corrupt Nature produced into the world, by the no dishonourable name of Coldstreamers." They may also attempt to persuade you to join there number, which temptation I urge you to resist. All the best, Lawrence ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Learning from Hans (with a NHR twist)
--- Paul Kampen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Message text written by The Horn List > >There's nowt like a good fight to raise the spirits.< > > Dear Lawrence > > There speaks a true Lancastrian! > > Over on this side of the Pennines, we prefer an improving book and a mug of > coco. Now that we have the attention of a couple of true connoisseurs of British English, I have a question: HM the Queen has four household guards on foot and 2 mounted ones. The origins of the Scotch, Welsh, and Irish guards are obvious even to me. I also can deduce, that the Coldstream Guard must be from England east and south of borders and waters respectively. But why the term of Coldstream? Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre, whos dog is a Border terrier, so the geography of the UK is not entirely foreign __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Hans...very sad comments
At 2:28 PM -0700 9/4/06, matthew scheffelman wrote: I encourage all to petition the list owner to ban this person out of this list. The horn list has been free of censorship except by its own members, which is happening now. This is the delightful beauty of it. Please, no changes. Thank you. Carlberg Jones Guanajuato, Gto. MEXICO ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Hans...very sad comments
I also have met Hans and deal with him regularly buying music. He is one of the great musicians out there and a great person. If LT or others cannot deal with him, delete and go to the Yahoo list where the fragile ego's can relax. In the modern world of western music, student critic has to be sugar coated or else.lame reactions like these from insecure people. As to the comments about Hans personal life, they are out of line. The person should be banned from this list for such a gross fault. I encourage all to petition the list owner to ban this person out of this list. Lets let this poster only publish on the Yahoo list where the Den Mom can control the menopause type outbursts. what a beautiful day here...practicing outside with my new horn is a joy in this weather. I hope everyone is enjoying this finish of summer days!!! Matthew Scheffelman Horn __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Learning from Hans
Message text written by The Horn List >There's nowt like a good fight to raise the spirits.< Dear Lawrence There speaks a true Lancastrian! Over on this side of the Pennines, we prefer an improving book and a mug of coco. Regards Paul Kampen ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] New DVD's!!
Two new DVD's of concert films that would be or interest to hornplayers are now availabe on the EuroArts label. The first is Schubert's Symphony No. 9, "the Great" with an exceptional perfomance played by the Vienna PHilharmonic conducted by Karl Boehm.The best Schubert Sym #9 perfomance, old or new, I've heard in a long time.. The second is another historical VPO performance, this time Bruckner's 9th Symphony as conducted by Leonard Bernstein. This performance from 1990 was one of Bernstein's last appearances with the VPO. Also, its fantastic to hear Wolfgang Tomboeck lead the Wagner tuba section. Happy watching (and listening), Pete Jilka Kansas City, MO ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: Learning from Hans
But no divorce letter on the table, seems to be good news. But here we had a rotten-meat scandal, I dont know how many we had here. They sold more than 100 tons of overdue meat , more than 4 years overdue, to the supermarkets, - and many ate that. Seems that the stomaches got trained by the daily junk food. = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 6:15 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Learning from Hans Wow, just back from my holidays (house broken into, freezer thawed and rotting food all over my kitchen floor) and it's great to see that some things never change! There's nowt like a good fight to raise the spirits. All the best to all of you, long may we reign! :-) Cheers, Lawrence ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
re: [Hornlist] My fathers past - to Mark Louttit & others
Mark and others, At least from my experience of reading Hans' posts he always has critical information (usually personal experiences) to back up every statement or idea that he posts. He is an experienced and most importantly open contributor of his experiences, which some of us younger posters find greatly benefitial. Not too many prominent principal horns care to share their experiences openly on any list, so, thanks Hans for giving us your time for many years! I know personally that If I had an intelligent question to post on the hornlist, Hans would be the first one to reply with the most pertinent information regarding "Actual" orchestral experience. Hoss Johnson ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Austrian post flareups
I could write a master's degree thesis in the subject of statistics on the occurrence of these dog and cat fights on the Memphis list. Appears that the median of event happenings is about every six months with a standard deviation of one month. If we view these events from a mathematical and statistical perspective, then we can see them absent of the personal view. These events happen. They can be studied. They can't always be predicted because they seem to have a statistical nature. The newbies on the list often precipitate the chain reaction that trip these events, and they also provide the most fodder. Occasionally, the veterans get buckshot in the britches, too. Time to head for the trench. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Hans
Hornfolks It is to be noted that email personas can and do vary widely from actual 'in your face' personas. Some tend to write as though the 'audience' were invisible, devoid of feeling, and incapable of defending themselves. This thought process backfires upon the originator almost every time when negatives are presented. Hans, in person, is nothing like the email *persona* displayed. He is friendly, kind, generous, and humble. He also plays great horn. Take it or leave it, I met him. that's all. Rachel Harvey ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] das rheingold
--- Robert Osmun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please, enough name calling. I've known Hans for quite a long time and > think he's a pretty good guy. He's always been very generous with his wealth > of knowledge and experience and is one of the very few professional hornists > who even contribute to this list. Please also remember that, even though > Han's English is excellent, it's still not his first language. So, instead > of spending your time in high dudgeon, why not take Mark Twain's advice: > "Never miss an opportunity to keep your mouth shut.", and try to learn > something. > > Bob Osmun I am very much with Bob, and I think he touches the core of the perceived problems. I do not agree with all of Hanss points of view, but my biggest complaint with Hans is that his abilities of expressing himself in English is not very good. Hans is a few years older than me, but we have been raised in each our end of the German spoken northern-central Europe. When I read Hans, then I translate his formally correct English back to German, and then there are no attitude problems. If you do not like Hanss postings, then skip them. Yet you then will loose an immense resource of not only horn related, but general, inherited traditions of music. Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre, who obviously is a Dane despite being raised in post-war Germany __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: Learning from Hans
The Hans, Anti-hans cycle is one of the few constants in the world. It's on about an 18 month cycle. It flares up and dies down and the world returns to a steady state where the conversation really is about horns and music. When it does happen it lets me know that there really are some constants. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 12:15 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Learning from Hans Wow, just back from my holidays (house broken into, freezer thawed and rotting food all over my kitchen floor) and it's great to see that some things never change! There's nowt like a good fight to raise the spirits. All the best to all of you, long may we reign! :-) Cheers, Lawrence ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Learning from Hans
Wow, just back from my holidays (house broken into, freezer thawed and rotting food all over my kitchen floor) and it's great to see that some things never change! There's nowt like a good fight to raise the spirits. All the best to all of you, long may we reign! :-) Cheers, Lawrence ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Learning from Hans
Larry, Please don't speak for me. I enjoy reading Hans' posts, and have learned from all of them. He is of the "old school", and embodies it's values and more importantly, it's work ethic. As the saying goes, "Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it". Just take a look at the practise routine on his web site for example. People would be well served to practise more, rather than wasting energy and time trying to find a "holy grail" in an attempt to circumvent the hard work necessary to arrive at a high level of technical and musical competency. He is an immense resource, and can offer practical advice on just about any aspect of horn playing. A man in his position is entitled to a huge amount of respect. a certain amount of ego, and he has earned every accolade which has been directed his way. Perhaps he has earned a reputation as a "curmudgeon" as well, but after counting so many bars rest, endured so many conductor's whims, and heard the good, bad and ugly for so many years, some curmudgeon-ness is more than likely a natural consequence. To imply that he is some kind of neo-Nazi, harbouring a grudge against the "New World" is simply ludicrous. Best regards, Martin Bender On 4-Sep-06, at 3:19 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So pecky = dead and Vibrant=Living Please elaborate. Thanks LT ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/embee%40magma.ca ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] das rheingold
Please, enough name calling. I've known Hans for quite a long time and think he's a pretty good guy. He's always been very generous with his wealth of knowledge and experience and is one of the very few professional hornists who even contribute to this list. Please also remember that, even though Han's English is excellent, it's still not his first language. So, instead of spending your time in high dudgeon, why not take Mark Twain's advice: "Never miss an opportunity to keep your mouth shut.", and try to learn something. Bob Osmun > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 3:17 AM > To: horn@music.memphis.edu > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] das rheingold > > ur..perhaps you all need to read my post again. I was > actually complimentary of Hans, I just don't get why he needs > to litter this board with his ubertestosterone? I would be > lying saying he isn't a welcome addition to these boards, but > no one is that good to talk down to an entire race of human > beings not to mention fellow professionals. > > Like the school yard bully, Hans needs to be kept in check > every once in a while. He has been getting away with this for > sometime. Unfortunately those who are hurt slink away from > these boards unheard. A beginning student who is fascinated > by the horn, doesn't need to hear his old school banter. > Sometimes a simple "hello" and a "let me help you" will > suffice. Farkas was not only a great horn player, but a > great person! His fame never got in the way of helping those > "less" gifted. > > We all know Hans is a God and will be pictured on German > currency soon, but we don't need to hear about it daily, no > matter what the original topic is. > > Thanks > LT (and others less outspoken) > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/rosmun%40osmun.com > > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] My fathers past - to Mark Louttit & others
Hans, I personally don't feel it is necessary to defend yourself or your family. I enjoy reading your posts and hope to someday meet you on a future business trip to Germany (when I haven't a clue). To the anti-Hans, if you do not appreciate Hans' posts, them just delete them. Regards, Joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hans Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 3:14 AM To: 'The Horn List' Cc: 'Mark Louttit' Subject: [Hornlist] My fathers past - to Mark Louttit & others To Mark Louttit: My father served in the German Army (Luftwaffe, Fallschirmjaeger) from 1942-Feb.1945, but has neither got on board of any aircraft in his life nor delivered any shot at nobody, as far as I know. He instead played first horn in the Luftwaffen Corps Symphony, also in the symphony orchestra in Metz (1941-44 under Rudolf Nilius cond.)& as a substitute on first horn in Saarbruecken & has taught the horn at the Metz Conservatory (1941-44). He had letter exchange with his former students until few years before his death. If you know different things about my father, special about perhaps hidden nazi past, feel free to send me these informations including the source. I am most thankful for any information. I for myself have never worn any other uniform than that of the music bands I have played during my study. My uniforms were & are tuxedo & dresscoat & tails and I never served in any military organisation. Hans Pizka That´s the reason, why I am writing this: <> ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/joescarpelli%40earthlink.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] WTC recordings and Back in general.
So pecky = dead and Vibrant=Living Please elaborate. Thanks LT ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] das rheingold
ur..perhaps you all need to read my post again. I was actually complimentary of Hans, I just don't get why he needs to litter this board with his ubertestosterone? I would be lying saying he isn't a welcome addition to these boards, but no one is that good to talk down to an entire race of human beings not to mention fellow professionals. Like the school yard bully, Hans needs to be kept in check every once in a while. He has been getting away with this for sometime. Unfortunately those who are hurt slink away from these boards unheard. A beginning student who is fascinated by the horn, doesn't need to hear his old school banter. Sometimes a simple "hello" and a "let me help you" will suffice. Farkas was not only a great horn player, but a great person! His fame never got in the way of helping those "less" gifted. We all know Hans is a God and will be pictured on German currency soon, but we don't need to hear about it daily, no matter what the original topic is. Thanks LT (and others less outspoken) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] My fathers past - to Mark Louttit & others
To Mark Louttit: My father served in the German Army (Luftwaffe, Fallschirmjaeger) from 1942-Feb.1945, but has neither got on board of any aircraft in his life nor delivered any shot at nobody, as far as I know. He instead played first horn in the Luftwaffen Corps Symphony, also in the symphony orchestra in Metz (1941-44 under Rudolf Nilius cond.)& as a substitute on first horn in Saarbruecken & has taught the horn at the Metz Conservatory (1941-44). He had letter exchange with his former students until few years before his death. If you know different things about my father, special about perhaps hidden nazi past, feel free to send me these informations including the source. I am most thankful for any information. I for myself have never worn any other uniform than that of the music bands I have played during my study. My uniforms were & are tuxedo & dresscoat & tails and I never served in any military organisation. Hans Pizka That´s the reason, why I am writing this: <> ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
