Re: [Hornlist] Spit valve problem: Ideas?
A slight problem is cutting a nice circle of whatever flexible material
you decide to use; but it doesn't really need to be nice, just functional.
A related approach to what has already been suggested would be to use
some silicone glue - aquarium sealer is one incarnation - as the pad.
Lay a thick blob into the space that used to be occupied by the original
pad. After it dries, you can slice a straight surface with a sharp
blade so that it seals the hole perfectly, but it might be more
efficient to let the blob half-dry while keeping the valve open, and
then let the valve close sufficiently so that the blob gets squeezed
enough for it to conform to the correct shape. I never tried this, but
it seems simple and can't-miss.
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Re: [Hornlist] Spit valve problem: Ideas?
Angela Gonzales wrote: Howdy, fellow hornlisters. I have a situation involving one of my horn students. The padding to the spit valve on her Holton 179 fell off. She was going to give me the padding to put back on when she also realized it went missing. I was going to suggest that you fix it with a bit of cork (from a nice Cabernet, maybe?) but that seemed too obvious. Even some cork from a cheap white zinfandel oughta work just fine. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Spit valve problem: Ideas?
From: Angela Gonzales <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Any ideas on what could be used to seal it temporarily until it's properly fixed? I would hate to have her to use piece of paper to cover the opening until it gets to the shop. The important point is that the spit value must not leak even in the slightest, or the horn will not play correctly. The seal must be air tight. That said, there are three strategies for this repair. (1) This is an absolutely trivial repair and can be trusted even to a 2nd-rate assistant tech in any shop. (Even if it were botched, the instrument is not harmed and a better job can be performed later.) I imagine any repair shop would be willing to do it while you wait, if you explain the situation. (2) The repair is within the capability of any reasonably-handy person, provided you can get a little bit of rubber gasket material to trim into a careful circle and glue into the key. Rubber cement is good -- water resistant, but easily removable -- although not as permanent as what a pro would use. If you have nothing else readily available for gasket material at home or at the local hardware store, an old bicycle inner tube would provide the necessary rubber. Might need two layers glued together. (3) If neither of the above works, you can easily seal the opening in the valve opening temporarily with a small piece of saran wrap (perhaps doubled) stretched tightly across the opening and with a small rubber band. This is an emergency repair that can be accomplished in less than a minute. This will leave the valve not functional, but there are other ways to empty a horn, and the seal will be air tight. That's the important thing. A better, more permanent repair can be done at leisure. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Spit valve problem: Ideas?
Angela Gonzales wrote: The padding to the spit valve on her Holton 179 fell off. Any ideas on what could be used to seal it temporarily until it's properly fixed? Something like a small, flat piece of cork or rubber should do the trick until it can be fixed properly. Maybe secure it with a rubber band if the lever isn't holding it securely. Realistically, anything malleable that won't harm the horn or get stuck in the hole would work; the idea is simply to cover the hole with something that won't leak air. This jury-rigged solution won't allow you to actually use the key to empty the horn, so you'll have to spin and dump with slides. I'm pretty sure that the "proper repair" only involves gluing a piece of rubber or cork cut to the proper size into the lever--probably something that could easily be done at home. It don't know if there's a preferred glue for this kind of work or a preferred pad material, but it's certainly not as critical an operation as replacing a pad on a woodwind instrument key. The repair folks on the list may chime in with the bottom line on this. Greg ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Spit valve problem: Ideas?
Howdy, fellow hornlisters. I have a situation involving one of my horn students. The padding to the spit valve on her Holton 179 fell off. She was going to give me the padding to put back on when she also realized it went missing. (Middle school student, so everything goes missing.) What I need is a temporary fix. Her solo and ensemble contest is this coming Saturday and her instrument won't be sent to the shop until next Tuesday at the earliest. Since she also comes from an inner-city school (meaning low on funds), her band teacher doesn't have the materials for me to fix this properly. Any ideas on what could be used to seal it temporarily until it's properly fixed? I would hate to have her to use piece of paper to cover the opening until it gets to the shop. Also, where would I be able to obtain the materials so I could be better prepared to handle such a case myself? Thanks for the replies. Angela Gonzales __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Update: Modern works for Natural horn
I was honored to receive a recording from Lowell of his "Live at Yale" compact disc. The work is scored for Trompes de Chasse, Organ and Tenor, and is entitled Requiem du Chasseur. He wrote it in memory of Helen Kotas Hirsch. Walt Lewis At 03:09 PM 5/7/2007, you wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has Lowell Greer written for natural horn? Thanks, Richard Burdick Lowell Greer has either a Requiem or Mass for natural horn ensemble. It was played at the 2005 NE workshop at Purchase. As I remember it was quite an intense work, and involved a tenor soloist and organ as well as about a dozen natural horns. Paxmaha - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/wlewis9637%40wowway.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.5/792 - Release Date: 5/6/2007 9:01 PM ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] RE: musical idiot & disgusting arranger.
This tops them all-- the concert band version of "The Marriage of Figaro Overture". When the saxophones join in by tackling the cello parts, you know the music world has reached a new low. Not even the clarinets on the violin parts can prepare you for this. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] musical idiot & disgusting arranger.
I would direct your attention to the item called "Sugar Plums" from either the second or third Hoffnung festival. (Still available on EMI I believe.) It contained several selections by Tchaikovsky, including the opening of the 4th symphony and the finale to the 1812 overture, performed by recorder consort with Renaissance percussion. The cannon shots were executed by children's popguns. Richard Hirsh, Chicago date: Sun, 6 May 2007 08:40:38 EDT from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: Re: [Hornlist] musical idiot & disgusting arranger. I was once invited to take part (as a recorder player I might add) in a performance of "Pictures at an Exhibition" arranged for large recorder consort. Can you imagine "Great Gate of Kiev" on recorders?? Neither could I, so after the perfomance they sent me a copy of the recording. You would not believe how good it sounds! Cheers, Lawrence (still waiting for "The Rite of Spring" on washboard and spoons) lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE:[Hornlist] NHR - Beethoven #5 video
This old geezer remembers watching this when it first aired in the mid-1950's - Sid Caesar and Nanette Fabray. She replaced Imogen Coca on Caesar's Show of Shows. date: Sat, 05 May 2007 14:51:01 -0400 from: David Goldberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> subject: [Hornlist] NHR - Beethoven #5 video Very interesting interpretation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEhF-7suDsM&mode=related&search= Two conductors! Geezers here may remember them. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] RE: 2nd Movement to Mozart 3rd Concerto or ...
If I remember right, Johann Michael Haydn was also young Mozart's composition teacher. A number of Mozart's early symphonies are arrangements of his works. The most notable is the Mozart 37th symphony, which is Haydn's Turkish symphony with an opening adagio by Mozart. So who better to write in Mozart's style? Richard Hirsh, Chicago = date: Sat, 5 May 2007 07:37:16 +0200 from: "hans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> subject: RE: [Hornlist] 2nd Movement to Mozart 3rd Concerto or . . . Yes, this piece exists in the State Library here in Munich. Roland Horvath has written an essay about it. It is nearly - but nearly - the same as the 2nd mov. from K.447. History behind: some horn soloist knew the piece by heart or had a copy of the solo part & remembered some of the accompaniment. So he asked Johann Michael Haydn to "re-compose" the score for him. This is not a difficult task at all, if one knows the composition style - and Johann Michael Haydn, Joseph Haydns very skilled younger brother & director of church music in Salzburg, knew this kind of not unusual task very well. = -Original Message- Subject: [Hornlist] 2nd Movement to Mozart 3rd Concerto or . . . Speaking of Mozart horn concerto's, driving into work this AM I was listening to the Classical Music station in Austin, TX. The announcer said the next piece would be for a Romance for horn and string quartet by Michael Haydn. It sounded almost exactly like the 2nd movement to Mozart's third concerto. The recording was by Herman Bauman. Anyone else ever hear of such a thing? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Finke horns for tryout and Conn 6d for sale.
Dear listers, I will be traveling to Michigan for the rest of May and the 1st half of June. My primary stay will be in the Traverse City area, but I expect to making trips to East Lansing and the Flint-Detroit corridor. I have a gold brass Brendan triple horn for tryout. There is also a gold brass Americus double for tryout and for sale which I can bring with me if there is an interest, otherwise I will leave it here in Tucson. If anyone has any interest in trying out a Finke horn please contact me off list so I can arrange my schedule to accommodate you. I also have an Elkhart Conn 6d for sale. Please check it out at http://www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke/Conn6d.htm if you are interested. Loren Mayhew \@() Finke Horns [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 011 1 (520) 289-0700 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: works for horn and wind ensemble
You meant a concerto for 2 corns & wind ensemble, did you ??? Sorry. === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Donald J. Ankney Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 6:04 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Re: works for horn and wind ensemble David Maslanka wrote a concerto for 2 horns and hind ensemble. I want to say that it was called Sea Changes (or something similar) and was premiered at ASU. It's pretty idiomatic for Maslanka, so if you like his music, you'll probably like the piece. It's hell on the percussionists, though ... On May 8, 2007, at 10:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> message: 7 >>> date: Sun, 6 May 2007 15:22:28 -0700 (PDT) >>> from: G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> subject: [Hornlist] works for horn and wind ensemble > >>> All this makes me wonder...are there any good (grade 6 and up) works >>> that have been written for horn and wind ensemble? Not arrangements, >>> but original works. And not Strauss or Mozart. > >>> Gary ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] music ghost writers
Hello, I worked a lot with Maurice Jarre, who had a cousin of L.Bernstein as orchestrator. Wow, they worked incredible fast, most over night. That time, they did not have the help of a PC. All music was written by hand by a legion of copyists. They were still writing out the parts when we were recording allready. So piece & fractions of pieces were reached into the recording hall one by one. There was zero time to rehearse anything as it was not ready. But what kind of a great music we did then : Enemy mine, Lawrence from Arabia, - just two name some. We also worked with Harry Rosenthal, wo arrived with complete scores, but was a very poor conductor. We recorded for "Peter the Great" & did a 15 min. sequence as one block in one take only. Lucky. There were many composers rcording for their films here in Munich. But this business is gone. If you watch the great b/w mountain movies & others by Louis Trenker, famous mountaineer & producer-actor, one remains in doubt, if not R.Strauss himself had done some of these films to earn a further big cheque . === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Herbert Foster Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 5:25 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] music ghost writers Some movie score composers do their own orchestrating, and others have the orchestrators do it. They work fairly closely with the directors, so ghost writers usually don't get into the act. Of course they may "borrow" some music. Composing movie music is an art in itself. Each cue is of a given length, and enhances the emotional impact. Herb Foster --- Per Ottar Gjerstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear List, > > I may be wrong about this, but I believe that most movie score writers > make use of some sort of "short score" or "condensed score" when they > do the actual writing of the music. > These scores usually contains (more or less detailed) instructions for > the orchestrators, who then use this short score when laying out the > score that is actually used when playing and recording the music. > > > Per Ottar > > > > Subject: RE: [Hornlist] music ghost writers > > > > G.Mahler, R.Strauss, Korngold ... > > > > > > Subject: [Hornlist] music ghost writers > > > > idiocy and lousy arrangers aside, Is there someone who is willing to > > concur without using names that some famous movie score composers > > 'owe' their fame to ghost writers? > > > > or is this a question that should not be asked in public? > > ___ > > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > > unsubscribe or set options at > > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. > > de > > > > ___ > > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > > unsubscribe or set options at > > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/potgjers%40fr isurf.no > > > > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%4 0yahoo.com > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: works for horn and wind ensemble
David Maslanka wrote a concerto for 2 horns and hind ensemble. I want to say that it was called Sea Changes (or something similar) and was premiered at ASU. It's pretty idiomatic for Maslanka, so if you like his music, you'll probably like the piece. It's hell on the percussionists, though ... On May 8, 2007, at 10:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: message: 7 date: Sun, 6 May 2007 15:22:28 -0700 (PDT) from: G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> subject: [Hornlist] works for horn and wind ensemble All this makes me wonder...are there any good (grade 6 and up) works that have been written for horn and wind ensemble? Not arrangements, but original works. And not Strauss or Mozart. Gary ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] music ghost writers
Some movie score composers do their own orchestrating, and others have the orchestrators do it. They work fairly closely with the directors, so ghost writers usually don't get into the act. Of course they may "borrow" some music. Composing movie music is an art in itself. Each cue is of a given length, and enhances the emotional impact. Herb Foster --- Per Ottar Gjerstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear List, > > I may be wrong about this, but I believe that most movie score writers make > use of some sort of > "short score" or "condensed score" when they do the actual writing of the > music. > These scores usually contains (more or less detailed) instructions for the > orchestrators, who then use this short score when > laying out the score that is actually used when playing and recording the > music. > > > Per Ottar > > > > Subject: RE: [Hornlist] music ghost writers > > > > G.Mahler, R.Strauss, Korngold ... > > > > > > Subject: [Hornlist] music ghost writers > > > > idiocy and lousy arrangers aside, Is there someone who is > > willing to concur without using names that some famous movie > > score composers 'owe' their fame to ghost writers? > > > > or is this a question that should not be asked in public? > > ___ > > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > > unsubscribe or set options at > > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. > > de > > > > ___ > > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > > unsubscribe or set options at > > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/potgjers%40frisurf.no > > > > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] work(s) for organ/piano and chorus with horn obligato?
Sound file, lyrics, etc for "Set Me as a Seal" appear here: http://www.plu.edu/~nancelr/set-me-1.html -- Jonell Lindholm Reisterstown MD USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Melvin Baldwin > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 8:45 AM > To: horn@music.memphis.edu > Subject: RE: [Hornlist] work(s) for organ/piano and chorus > with horn obligato? > > "Set Me as a Seal" by Richard Nance for SATB, Horn, Piano or Organ > I was supposed to perform this exquisitely beautiful work > this month-but > alas, I have not heard anything from the choir director. It > was originally > composed for a wedding. The words may come from the "Song of > Solomon" but I > do not remember for sure and I only have the horn part. It's > published by > Walton Music Corporation. I highly recommend this work > followed closely by > Paul Basler's compositions-which is my personal taste of course. > Melvin Baldwin ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] work(s) for organ/piano and chorus with horn obligato?
I found that adding the original horn parts to the choir/organ arrangement of Brahms' "How Lovely Thy Dwelling Place" from the Requiem was very effective. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] music ghost writers
In a message dated 5/8/2007 2:37:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: G.Mahler, R.Strauss, Korngold ... --- Korngold's music is enjoying somewhat of a revival on our local classical music radio station, WBJC. He's getting substantial air time. Very thrilling concert pieces based on his movie scores. Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] work(s) for organ/piano and chorus with horn obligato?
"Set Me as a Seal" by Richard Nance for SATB, Horn, Piano or Organ I was supposed to perform this exquisitely beautiful work this month-but alas, I have not heard anything from the choir director. It was originally composed for a wedding. The words may come from the "Song of Solomon" but I do not remember for sure and I only have the horn part. It's published by Walton Music Corporation. I highly recommend this work followed closely by Paul Basler's compositions-which is my personal taste of course. Melvin Baldwin From: "Scott Avenell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Horn List To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] work(s) for organ/piano and chorus with horn obligato? Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 10:23:51 -0500 howdy all, I've been asked to find a piece for the above listed combination, organ preferred but piano also acceptable. Is there such a piece? Having never heard of one, I thought of this List as a ready and valuable research option. best regards, Scott ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/melvinbaldwin%40hotmail.com _ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the im Initiative now. Its free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_MAY07 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] music ghost writers
Dear List, I may be wrong about this, but I believe that most movie score writers make use of some sort of "short score" or "condensed score" when they do the actual writing of the music. These scores usually contains (more or less detailed) instructions for the orchestrators, who then use this short score when laying out the score that is actually used when playing and recording the music. Per Ottar Subject: RE: [Hornlist] music ghost writers G.Mahler, R.Strauss, Korngold ... Subject: [Hornlist] music ghost writers idiocy and lousy arrangers aside, Is there someone who is willing to concur without using names that some famous movie score composers 'owe' their fame to ghost writers? or is this a question that should not be asked in public? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/potgjers%40frisurf.no ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
