[Hornlist] Beethoven 4, B-flat alto or basso?
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[Hornlist] Re: Stopping valve
Ah yes. Stopping valve questions ... always good fodder for the hornlist discussion group(s). Let me add some comments. Carlbergnow is your chance to commission that Concierto de Juarez for Stopped Horn and Orquestra. Heck write it yourself and have a premiere !!! Paul tsk tsk The Weber is tricky but Danzi is certainly accessiible on the F/Bb double horn. Some purists could comment that these wonderful works played on anything but the natural horn is "Sacrilege Grande". I won't comment on that but will say that using the valved horn +and* a stopping valve for ease of fingerings could be comsidered excessive use of "equipment crutch". :). commercial message here for Lowell Greer's Harmonia Mundi recording of the Beethoven sonata, the Brahms trio and the von Krufft sonata. He is the man. And his colleagues playing with him are a true pleasure to the ear Some more serious comments. Stop valves are *intended* for stopping use only. Just like the first valve on the F side is only intended for a full tone on the F side, etc. Simply using a valve to put it 1/2 tone down for your Bb horn pitched in A will cause slight intonation issues with the other valved notes. And these issues are greater with the full double horn. Engelbert Schmid did have an explanation and specs in his website on how to adjust his full double horns to correctly pitch them in E/A. Some questions: the covered notes of the natural horn are the ancestral tones of the modern stopped horn tones. Who were those composers that took those first musical exploitations of these sounds ? Who were the performers? What about all the various horn mutes and their history in natural and valves horn ? I think Hans may now be awakened like that dragon in that opera I can't quite recall the name ;) Final comments. Do not forget to practice stopped horn.Play long tones, etudes and of course your stopped horn passages Explore alternate fingerings if you don't have a stop valve. And don't forget intonation if you are using the stop valve while "en ouevre". Regards Carl Ek Mooselip Canada ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Lassus, a couple of other random thoughts
- Forwarded Message From: David A. Jewell To: Carlberg Jones Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 11:29:47 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Lassus, a couple of other random thoughts I originally posted: You will need a way to view the file, I suggest Finale Reader, a free download that enable one to view all of the Finale product family files [I currently use Printmusic] the following URL should take you there: http://www.finalemusic.com/Reader/Default.aspx Then Mr. Jones responded: Or, you could print to PDF and post that. Carlberg Jones I could do that if it were my own website. Finale Showcase is run by Makemusic, the company that produces the Finale and Smartmusic products. Thus you can only post your music in their format. Finale Reader is free, just as is Sibelius Scorch, and they both serve the same purpose. Once you have it open, if your chosen product supports PDF [or you have a pdf creator on your system] then you can save it in that format. If anyone is interested in what else I have to offer contact me privately and I will arrange to send you my listing of over 60+ works for horns and brass. I believe that prices are more than reasonable. Dave Jewell ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Stopping valve
> > You're forgetting about an important difference between the horn and > the trumpet - because the horn plays higher in the overtone series, > making more notes possible, there is less need for a horn pitched in a > specific key. People used to, e.g., have an Eb crook for their F > horns, but almost no one makes a horn that way any longer. > > > I was forgetting about this "detail"...For sure on the horn you have much more alternative fingering than on the trumpet. I love the baroque music and from what I know the majority of horn concertos are in D and Eb major. The fingering of Eb concertos must be very easy, but I suspect that the fingering of D major concertos are not so easy. Generally speaking... Do people use the A valve to help on the fingering of D major concertos, or not? Thank you for your kindness Robson P.S. This horn list is very very good. A lot of informed and kind playershelping one another. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Stopping valve
Paul, I have a Alexander 103 with a manual A+ slide that fits in the Bb tuning slide tubes off the change valve, with the valve closed horn functions as a normal 103 F/Bb with the valve open as an F/A or adjusting it's tuning slide Stopped. John In a message dated 4/16/2009 7:16:23 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, corno...@aol.com writes: Hi David, The answer to your question is sometimes. Both Paxman and Alexander offer (as an extra accessory), a slide with a manual change valve. With the valve in the closed position, the slide acts as an A slide. With the valve in the open position, an additional slide length is added to the A slide for stopping. Some other makers also have this option available. Paul Navarro Custom Horn -Original Message- From: David A. Jewell To: The Horn List Sent: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 8:32 pm Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Stopping valve Most good stopping valve slides are in two pieces, so that the player can choose between stopping and A horn. Dan Is that where they have a manual rotary valve to add or subract the extra length? Paxmaha ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/corno911%40aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memph is.edu/mailman/options/horn/johnlwilber%40aol.com **Great deals on Dell’s most popular laptops – Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220029082x1201385915/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213969145%3B35701480%3Bh) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Stopping valve
Robson, That is exactly it. Paul -Original Message- From: Robson Adabo de Mello To: The Horn List Sent: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 10:34 pm Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Stopping valve It must be something like that: http://hornplayer.net/images/forsale/8721.jpg Robson Hi David, The answer to your question is sometimes. Both Paxman and Alexander offer (as an extra accessory), a slide with a manual change valve. With the valve in the closed position, the slide acts as an A slide. With the valve in the open position, an additional slide length is added to the A slide for stopping. Some other makers also have this option available. Paul Navarro Custom Horn ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/corno911%40aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Stopping valve
Robson Adabo de Mello wrote: > Can the stopping valve be used on difficult passages or concertos on > non-friendly keys, like E major? If a rank amateur can chime in here, the answer is yes - a valve is a valve, and you can use it for whatever you like, provided you have fitted it with a length of tubing suitable to your purposes. You can even rig some valves to work backwards, meaning the air runs through the valve's extra tubing by default, and when you press it, you close the valve, not open it. Some people rig their double horns to stand in Bb instead of F, and I've got a 5-valve Bb single that's not really a Bb horn - it's a C horn, and the valve that adds the extra tubing to make it stand in Bb is open by default - pressing that valve closes it, and then the horn is in C instead of Bb. > If the answer is yes, why the stopping valve is placed just on the Bb side? > Is it necessary to play the whole concerto on the Bb (A) side? Is there any > double horn with stopping valve on both sides? Is there any double descant > with stopping valve on both sides? This is why God put horn teachers on the planet - to help us figure out things like this. > Like I said I’m a trumpet player... trumpets are almost always offered in > various keys, specially smaller trumpets, for instance: D/Eb trumpet, Bb/A > piccolo trumpet. Some times they are offered even in 3 keys G/A/Bb piccolo > trumpet... > > If it’s concerto for D trumpet, the best choice is the A piccolo > > If it’s concerto for F trumpet, the best choice is the Bb piccolo > > If it’s concerto for C trumpet, the best choice is the G piccolo, but if you > don’t have it the Bb/A can be used. You're forgetting about an important difference between the horn and the trumpet - because the horn plays higher in the overtone series, making more notes possible, there is less need for a horn pitched in a specific key. People used to, e.g., have an Eb crook for their F horns, but almost no one makes a horn that way any longer. > I’m talking about high baroque pieces, that’s why I’m talking about piccolo > trumpet. > > Thank you very much There are just so many things about playing the horn that are different from playing the trumpet - a teacher, even if it's just one lesson for the specific purpose of conquering the issues you have in one piece, is well worth the time and the expense. All of the above is just my poorly educated opinion. What's correct is due to the guidance I have received from friend, teachers, and members of this list, and any errors are, undoubtedly, my fault alone. -S- > Robson > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve.freides%40gmail.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: RE: AW: [Hornlist] update to recordings (Tiny URLs)
On 2009/04/17, at 2:00, horn-requ...@music.memphis.edu wrote: From: Carlberg Jones Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 2:16 PM To: The Horn List Subject: RE: AW: [Hornlist] update to recordings At 11:58 AM -0700 4/15/09, Tim Johnson wrote: For those who post such links, please read on..., there is a service that creates much smaller links out of long ones called TinyURL The problem with tiny URL's of any flavor is that=20 they hide the true destination. Granted this is=20 not much of a problem on the horn list, but=20 nevertheless, it'll be a snowy day here when I'll=20 open any tiny URL. Look a little further down the tinyURL page: The TinyURL folk are aware of this concern and provide a "preview" service on the same page just below the "real" tinyURL. You can also set your preferences to always preview the URL before accessing the site. Example: --- Preview of TinyURL.com/NYTTiffany This TinyURL redirects to: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/15/us/15land.html?_r=1&em Proceed to this site. --- Simon ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Stopping valve
It must be something like that: http://hornplayer.net/images/forsale/8721.jpg Robson Hi David, The answer to your question is sometimes. Both Paxman and Alexander offer (as an extra accessory), a slide with a manual change valve. With the valve in the closed position, the slide acts as an A slide. With the valve in the open position, an additional slide length is added to the A slide for stopping. Some other makers also have this option available. Paul Navarro Custom Horn ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] TinyURL (WAS: update to recordings)
The standard I have adopted assumes people trust me, and that I provide a tinyurl to help them in case the longer one word wraps poorly, which is the only reasons I use the things. I would not click on any link provided by someone I didn't trust, tiny, gigantic, or anywhere in between. -S- On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Lawrence Yates wrote: > Steve Freides wrote: > > "This way everyone knows what they're getting into, and they can always use >> the >> full link, by cutting and pasting if they need." > > > > Errmmm. Take a look at the evidence here: > > http://lawrenceyates.co.uk > http://tinyurl.com/23xpfu > > Cheers, :-) > > Lawrence > > Lawrenceyates.co.uk > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve.freides%40gmail.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Stopping valve
Like this one? http://www.finkehorns.de/Bilder/Horns/B-Horn-5valves-big.jpg It seens to be a 2 pieces stopping valve. Probably the middle piece is removable... 2009/4/16 Dan Phillips > > On Apr 16, 2009, at 7:32 PM, David A. Jewell wrote: > > Most good stopping valve slides are in two pieces, so that the player can >> choose between stopping and A horn. >> >> Is that where they have a manual rotary valve to add or subract the extra >> length? >> > > No. The slide is in two pieces. One serves as an extension to a normal > valve slide; with the extension in place the valve lowers the pitch 3/4 > step, take it out and it lowers the pitch a half step. > > Dan > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/robson.adabo%40gmail.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Stopping valve
Hi David, The answer to your question is sometimes. Both Paxman and Alexander offer (as an extra accessory), a slide with a manual change valve. With the valve in the closed position, the slide acts as an A slide. With the valve in the open position, an additional slide length is added to the A slide for stopping. Some other makers also have this option available. Paul Navarro Custom Horn -Original Message- From: David A. Jewell To: The Horn List Sent: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 8:32 pm Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Stopping valve Most good stopping valve slides are in two pieces, so that the player can choose between stopping and A horn. Dan Is that where they have a manual rotary valve to add or subract the extra length? Paxmaha ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/corno911%40aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Stopping valve
On Apr 16, 2009, at 7:32 PM, David A. Jewell wrote: Most good stopping valve slides are in two pieces, so that the player can choose between stopping and A horn. Is that where they have a manual rotary valve to add or subract the extra length? No. The slide is in two pieces. One serves as an extension to a normal valve slide; with the extension in place the valve lowers the pitch 3/4 step, take it out and it lowers the pitch a half step. Dan ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Lassus, a couple of other random thoughts
I want to thank everyone who responded to my query for the LA Horn club's Lassus work. I finally FOUND IT! It is not in fact, a madrigal, it is a short sacred motet title"Afflictus Sum". It has been rhythmically altered in spots, [very minorly] but it is the same work. thanks again to all those who gave me advice and suggestions - I'll remember that when I go hunting again. I would also like to say that I have posted an esample of my horn ensemble arranging on the Finale showcase website. I have posted "Spinning Song" - yes, that infamous piano piece - for 6 horns. The following url should take you to the search page, then just type the title in the appropreate box. http://www.finalemusic.com/showcase/search.aspx You will need a way to view the file, I suggest Finale Reader, a free download that enable one to view all of the Finale product family files [I currently use Printmusic] the following URL should take you there: http://www.finalemusic.com/Reader/Default.aspx If anyone is interested from there I have a catalog of approximately 60+ arrangements for horns and brass that I am williing to give a catalog listing of general info and prices. They can contact me privately. Thanks again to the generous horn community Paxmaha AKA Dave Jewell ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] TinyURL (WAS: update to recordings)
Lawrence, your website does beg the question did Ronald Yates ever meet up with another famous gunner, Spike Milligan? -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Lawrence Yates Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:31 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] TinyURL (WAS: update to recordings) Steve Freides wrote: "This way everyone knows what they're getting into, and they can always use > the > full link, by cutting and pasting if they need." Errmmm. Take a look at the evidence here: http://lawrenceyates.co.uk http://tinyurl.com/23xpfu Cheers, :-) Lawrence Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/william.s.gross%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Stopping valve
Most good stopping valve slides are in two pieces, so that the player can choose between stopping and A horn. Dan Is that where they have a manual rotary valve to add or subract the extra length? Paxmaha ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Stopping valve
On Apr 16, 2009, at 6:58 PM, David A. Jewell wrote: I would caution that the stopping valve is NOT a 1/2 step valve, rather a 3/4 step valve, designed to compensate for the fact that when stopping in Bb the effect is more than 1/2 step. Thus that is why it is on the Bb side of the horn. There is no key change that is effective when using it, [A becomes somewhere between G and Ab for instance.] Most good stopping valve slides are in two pieces, so that the player can choose between stopping and A horn. Dan ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Stopping valve
I would caution that the stopping valve is NOT a 1/2 step valve, rather a 3/4 step valve, designed to compensate for the fact that when stopping in Bb the effect is more than 1/2 step. Thus that is why it is on the Bb side of the horn. There is no key change that is effective when using it, [A becomes somewhere between G and Ab for instance.] Also let it be known that Kallison is no longeer in business so that anyone who purchases one of their horns can only get support from their local repairperson. Paxmha ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Stopping valve
At 7:38 PM -0400 4/16/09, Paul Rincon wrote: Obviously, there are no horn concertos written exclusively for the stopped horn. Where's the Bear when we need Him? -- Carlberg Jones Skype - carlbergbmug Cornista - Orquesta Sinfónica de Aguascalientes Aguascalientes, Ags. MEXICO ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Stopping valve
Nice! I was searching and found that Kalison has a descant with stopping valve on 2 sides. It's the model L22. http://www.netupandgo.com/frenchhorns/kshtoorder.htm 2009/4/16 > The Alexander 104 and 1104 have A+/E 5th valves. Just same as 103 and > 1103 but with 5th valve, two thumb triggers. musik-alexander.de > > > In a message dated 4/16/2009 4:06:30 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > dcr...@willamette.edu writes: > > then there was the rotor change valve to E (operated with a sort of > switch) on the main turning slide of some old C F Schmidts > > Dave > > At 6:25 PM -0300 4/16/09, Robson Adabo de Mello wrote: > >>Can the stopping valve be used on difficult passages or concertos on > >>non-friendly keys, like E major? > > > > Sure, no reason not to. > > > > By the way, will someone please tell me which of > > the hundreds of horn concertos are written for > > stopped horn? > > > > > >>If the answer is yes, why the stopping valve is placed just on the Bb > >> side? > > > > Because stopping, done properly, raises the pitch > > of the F horn a half step. On the Bb side, the > > same stopped hand position raises the pitch more > > than a half step, therefore, a stopping valve is > > offered on some horns. > > > > > >>Is it necessary to play the whole concerto on the Bb (A) side? > > > > No. Again, someone clue me in on what concerto > > (I'm after only one) is for stopped horn > > throughout. Yeah, I know you're a trumpet player. > > Okay, then, I'll settle for a trumpet concerto > > written for muted trumpet. > > > > > >>Is there any > >>double horn with stopping valve on both sides? > > > > I've never seen one, but I haven't seen all the horns that are out > there. > > > > > >>Is there any double descant > >>with stopping valve on both sides? > > > > I would say this would not be applicable since > > these horns (I assume you mean high F and high > > Bb, same as a Bb trumpet) would not be used for > > pieces requiring stopped notes. As in Baroque > > music. > > > > Actually, maybe someone can answer this question. > > Why do descants in Bb and high F sometimes have > > stopping valves when one can stop on the high F > > side just fine, fingering a whole step lower? > > > > -- > > Carlberg Jones > > Skype - carlbergbmug > > Cornista - Orquesta Sinfónica de Aguascalientes > > Aguascalientes, Ags. > > MEXICO > > ___ > > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > > unsubscribe or set options at > > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/dcrane%40willamette.edu > > > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/johnlwilber%40aol.com > > **Great deals on Dell’s most popular laptops – Starting at > $479 > ( > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220029082x1201385915/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213969145%3B35701480%3Bh > ) > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/robson.adabo%40gmail.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Stopping valve
Obviously, there are no horn concertos written exclusively for the stopped horn. The stopping valve can be fitted with a slide (of the correct length) to pitch the horn a half step lower or to function as a true stopping valve for Bb horns. So a Bb horn would turn into an A horn in this manner. It would, for instance, make the Weber Concertino or the Danzi concerto in E much more finger friendly. Paul Rincon On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Carlberg Jones < carlbergjo...@prodigy.net.mx> wrote: > > At 6:25 PM -0300 4/16/09, Robson Adabo de Mello wrote: > >> Can the stopping valve be used on difficult passages or concertos on >> non-friendly keys, like E major? >> > > Sure, no reason not to. > > By the way, will someone please tell me which of the hundreds of horn > concertos are written for stopped horn? > > > If the answer is yes, why the stopping valve is placed just on the Bb >> side? >> > > Because stopping, done properly, raises the pitch of the F horn a half > step. On the Bb side, the same stopped hand position raises the pitch more > than a half step, therefore, a stopping valve is offered on some horns. > > > Is it necessary to play the whole concerto on the Bb (A) side? >> > > No. Again, someone clue me in on what concerto (I'm after only one) is for > stopped horn throughout. Yeah, I know you're a trumpet player. Okay, then, > I'll settle for a trumpet concerto written for muted trumpet. > > > Is there any >> double horn with stopping valve on both sides? >> > > I've never seen one, but I haven't seen all the horns that are out there. > > > Is there any double descant >> with stopping valve on both sides? >> > > I would say this would not be applicable since these horns (I assume you > mean high F and high Bb, same as a Bb trumpet) would not be used for pieces > requiring stopped notes. As in Baroque music. > > Actually, maybe someone can answer this question. Why do descants in Bb and > high F sometimes have stopping valves when one can stop on the high F side > just fine, fingering a whole step lower? > > -- > Carlberg Jones > Skype - carlbergbmug > Cornista - Orquesta Sinfónica de Aguascalientes > Aguascalientes, Ags. > MEXICO > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/parsifal560sec%40gmail.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Stopping valve
The Alexander 104 and 1104 have A+/E 5th valves. Just same as 103 and 1103 but with 5th valve, two thumb triggers. musik-alexander.de In a message dated 4/16/2009 4:06:30 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, dcr...@willamette.edu writes: then there was the rotor change valve to E (operated with a sort of switch) on the main turning slide of some old C F Schmidts Dave > At 6:25 PM -0300 4/16/09, Robson Adabo de Mello wrote: >>Can the stopping valve be used on difficult passages or concertos on >>non-friendly keys, like E major? > > Sure, no reason not to. > > By the way, will someone please tell me which of > the hundreds of horn concertos are written for > stopped horn? > > >>If the answer is yes, why the stopping valve is placed just on the Bb >> side? > > Because stopping, done properly, raises the pitch > of the F horn a half step. On the Bb side, the > same stopped hand position raises the pitch more > than a half step, therefore, a stopping valve is > offered on some horns. > > >>Is it necessary to play the whole concerto on the Bb (A) side? > > No. Again, someone clue me in on what concerto > (I'm after only one) is for stopped horn > throughout. Yeah, I know you're a trumpet player. > Okay, then, I'll settle for a trumpet concerto > written for muted trumpet. > > >>Is there any >>double horn with stopping valve on both sides? > > I've never seen one, but I haven't seen all the horns that are out there. > > >>Is there any double descant >>with stopping valve on both sides? > > I would say this would not be applicable since > these horns (I assume you mean high F and high > Bb, same as a Bb trumpet) would not be used for > pieces requiring stopped notes. As in Baroque > music. > > Actually, maybe someone can answer this question. > Why do descants in Bb and high F sometimes have > stopping valves when one can stop on the high F > side just fine, fingering a whole step lower? > > -- > Carlberg Jones > Skype - carlbergbmug > Cornista - Orquesta Sinfónica de Aguascalientes > Aguascalientes, Ags. > MEXICO > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/dcrane%40willamette.edu > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/johnlwilber%40aol.com **Great deals on Dell’s most popular laptops – Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220029082x1201385915/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213969145%3B35701480%3Bh) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Stopping valve
then there was the rotor change valve to E (operated with a sort of switch) on the main turning slide of some old C F Schmidts Dave > At 6:25 PM -0300 4/16/09, Robson Adabo de Mello wrote: >>Can the stopping valve be used on difficult passages or concertos on >>non-friendly keys, like E major? > > Sure, no reason not to. > > By the way, will someone please tell me which of > the hundreds of horn concertos are written for > stopped horn? > > >>If the answer is yes, why the stopping valve is placed just on the Bb >> side? > > Because stopping, done properly, raises the pitch > of the F horn a half step. On the Bb side, the > same stopped hand position raises the pitch more > than a half step, therefore, a stopping valve is > offered on some horns. > > >>Is it necessary to play the whole concerto on the Bb (A) side? > > No. Again, someone clue me in on what concerto > (I'm after only one) is for stopped horn > throughout. Yeah, I know you're a trumpet player. > Okay, then, I'll settle for a trumpet concerto > written for muted trumpet. > > >>Is there any >>double horn with stopping valve on both sides? > > I've never seen one, but I haven't seen all the horns that are out there. > > >>Is there any double descant >>with stopping valve on both sides? > > I would say this would not be applicable since > these horns (I assume you mean high F and high > Bb, same as a Bb trumpet) would not be used for > pieces requiring stopped notes. As in Baroque > music. > > Actually, maybe someone can answer this question. > Why do descants in Bb and high F sometimes have > stopping valves when one can stop on the high F > side just fine, fingering a whole step lower? > > -- > Carlberg Jones > Skype - carlbergbmug > Cornista - Orquesta Sinfónica de Aguascalientes > Aguascalientes, Ags. > MEXICO > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/dcrane%40willamette.edu > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Stopping valve
At 6:25 PM -0300 4/16/09, Robson Adabo de Mello wrote: Can the stopping valve be used on difficult passages or concertos on non-friendly keys, like E major? Sure, no reason not to. By the way, will someone please tell me which of the hundreds of horn concertos are written for stopped horn? If the answer is yes, why the stopping valve is placed just on the Bb side? Because stopping, done properly, raises the pitch of the F horn a half step. On the Bb side, the same stopped hand position raises the pitch more than a half step, therefore, a stopping valve is offered on some horns. Is it necessary to play the whole concerto on the Bb (A) side? No. Again, someone clue me in on what concerto (I'm after only one) is for stopped horn throughout. Yeah, I know you're a trumpet player. Okay, then, I'll settle for a trumpet concerto written for muted trumpet. Is there any double horn with stopping valve on both sides? I've never seen one, but I haven't seen all the horns that are out there. Is there any double descant with stopping valve on both sides? I would say this would not be applicable since these horns (I assume you mean high F and high Bb, same as a Bb trumpet) would not be used for pieces requiring stopped notes. As in Baroque music. Actually, maybe someone can answer this question. Why do descants in Bb and high F sometimes have stopping valves when one can stop on the high F side just fine, fingering a whole step lower? -- Carlberg Jones Skype - carlbergbmug Cornista - Orquesta Sinfónica de Aguascalientes Aguascalientes, Ags. MEXICO ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Stopping valve
Just curious... Can the stopping valve be used on difficult passages or concertos on non-friendly keys, like E major? If the answer is yes, why the stopping valve is placed just on the Bb side? Is it necessary to play the whole concerto on the Bb (A) side? Is there any double horn with stopping valve on both sides? Is there any double descant with stopping valve on both sides? Like I said I’m a trumpet player... trumpets are almost always offered in various keys, specially smaller trumpets, for instance: D/Eb trumpet, Bb/A piccolo trumpet. Some times they are offered even in 3 keys G/A/Bb piccolo trumpet... If it’s concerto for D trumpet, the best choice is the A piccolo If it’s concerto for F trumpet, the best choice is the Bb piccolo If it’s concerto for C trumpet, the best choice is the G piccolo, but if you don’t have it the Bb/A can be used. I’m talking about high baroque pieces, that’s why I’m talking about piccolo trumpet. Thank you very much Robson ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] TinyURL (WAS: update to recordings)
Steve Freides wrote: "This way everyone knows what they're getting into, and they can always use > the > full link, by cutting and pasting if they need." Errmmm. Take a look at the evidence here: http://lawrenceyates.co.uk http://tinyurl.com/23xpfu Cheers, :-) Lawrence Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] TinyURL (WAS: update to recordings)
The standard I have adopted is to always give the full link first, then offer a tinyurl version below it if the link is long. This way everyone knows what they're getting into, and they can always use the full link, by cutting and pasting if they need. -S- On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Jim Stellmacher wrote: > I agree with Carlberg. However, TinyURL has a feature that allows you > to preview the site before being redirected. It is available at > http://tinyurl.com/preview.php . This way, you can feel more safe > about your final destination. In my experience, many websites that > shorten URL's have a similar feature. > > Back to lurking... > > Jim > Band Director and Amateur Hornist > near Green Bay, WI > > Carlberg wrote: > "The problem with tiny URL's of any flavor is that=20 > they hide the true destination." > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve.freides%40gmail.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] TinyURL (WAS: update to recordings)
I agree with Carlberg. However, TinyURL has a feature that allows you to preview the site before being redirected. It is available at http://tinyurl.com/preview.php . This way, you can feel more safe about your final destination. In my experience, many websites that shorten URL's have a similar feature. Back to lurking... Jim Band Director and Amateur Hornist near Green Bay, WI Carlberg wrote: "The problem with tiny URL's of any flavor is that=20 they hide the true destination." ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Mpc description on ebay
Well - don't forget, it has 9 tuning loops for perfect tune and intonation too! And a detachable bell that can be left on for a fixed bell type horn! I'll take 2! -Original Message- From: David Goldberg [mailto:goldb...@wccnet.org] Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 12:44 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Mpc description on ebay Equally fascinating are the Vournelli French Horns from the same seller. All new silver F/Bb double horns, all priced less than $400; new, wonderful, etc. Have we ever heard this name before? The blurbs say that the valves are cut to 'high tolerance', at .005 inches. .005 inches seems clunky - but isn't that what 'high tolerance' means? 'Low tolerance' is more precise than 'high tolerance', isn't it? David Goldberg Steve Freides wrote: > You have to wonder - this ebay seller has excellent feedback scores, > but this is their description of a French Horn mouthpiece for sale: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200325251435 > > !! This is a silver plated French Horn mouthpiece. It is cut to within > .0005" tolerance > !! for a perfect fit. The French Horn mouthpiece is modeled after the > Bach only the taper > !! is different. It has thinner walls which gives more cooling and > that increases endurance. > > Increased cooling - that's the ticket! > > -S- > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/goldberg%40wccnet.org > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jeremy%40sublymerecords.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
