RE: [Hornlist] Re: Horn supervisor blog
Yup, been there done that/ -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Leonard & Peggy Brown Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 3:22 PM To: horn list memphis Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Horn supervisor blog > Too bad, the color scheme is simply not readable to my eyes. I'd read > it otherwise. > > Sean Hi all, Would it be proper to simply reply to the writer of the blog that you are having trouble reading it? There's a good chance he would change it. Wouldn't that be a simple fix? LLB ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: Horn supervisor blog
FWIW, when I started that "highlighting with cursor" the displayed turned to black type or white background with Firefox. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Jeremy Cucco Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 8:05 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn supervisor blog One option - Highlight the text, copy it, then paste it into your favorite word processing program. Them you can make the font colors and sizes whatever you like. I'd hate to think such valuable and entertaining information would be discarded based solely on the color scheme on the page. Cheers- Jeremy Sent from my iPhone On Aug 29, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Sean Kirkpatrick wrote: > Too bad, the color scheme is simply not readable to my eyes. I'd read > it otherwise. > > Sean > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jeremy%40sublymerecords > .com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Sex, Drugs, and Polka
Ah, that reminds me of a true story. A few years ago not that many really, I was working in the emergncy management field. I was at a state workshop along with representatives of the police and fire departments. In the morning sessions, first the fire department representative phone went off and he stepped into the hall, a short while later it happened to the police department rep. Shortly there after we had a break and they were both still on the phone. Finally one got off and told me what had happened. Someone called 9-1-1 and reported they had received a package from overseas from an unrecognized address. A police car was dispatched, the officers put the package in the back of their police car and started back to the police property room. About halfway back it dawned upon them that if this was a worst case scenario they probably shouldn't be driving with that package in the back seat. They pulled off to the side of the road and called for the fire department's hazmat team. Hazmat rolled up on the scene and while trying to figure out what to do, one of the Hazmat team members took a very close look at the package, and took the daring step to open it. Inside were several bottle of said diamond shaped elixir. As it turns out ordered over the internet but the person who called 9-1-1 initially, shipped from Israel. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Ben Reidhead Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:06 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Sex, Drugs, and Polka If I had a guess, I would say that the blue diamond that is targeted by spam filters has more to do with a prescription medicine that comes in blue, diamond-shaped pills than an organization. I don't really want to get any more descriptive, as this is a family-friendly list. Need I say more? Ben --- On Thu, 8/27/09, Paul Rincon wrote: From: Paul Rincon Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Sex, Drugs, and Polka To: "The Horn List" Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 7:15 PM This one, perchancies? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Diamond_Society Paul On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Greg Campbell wrote: > c...@fenwickparva.com wrote: > >> Blue Diamond is evidently the name of an organization with which I >> don't want my music associated. >> > > Almonds? > http://www.bluediamond.com/ > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/parsifal560sec%40gmail. > com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/corno42%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Sex, Drugs, and Polka
The mystery deepens. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of c...@fenwickparva.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:37 PM To: The Horn List Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Sex, Drugs, and Polka ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Sex, Drugs, and Polka
Boy talk about a bad time to get a blank message. Just look at that subject line. At least it's not from Prof. Pizka at this time. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of c...@fenwickparva.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 5:04 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Cc: h...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Hornlist] Sex, Drugs, and Polka Importance: High ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] What I've learned in the past two days
I would point out wrt to practicing some horn players are far better than others. As was recently made evident. As you noted to each his/her own, and it my case some practice would be most beneficial. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Carlberg Jones Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 6:37 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] What I've learned in the past two days At 9:46 AM -0500 8/21/09, William Gross wrote: >1) If an wandering horn player his your town and asks, "anyone want to >play duets" an important question to ask is "who is providing the music?" True, and I could have brought tons of duets - on my computer. I don't travel with duets due to space limitations. David Goldberg's idea of putting some on a flash drive was excellent. >2) Sight reading duets (for me) is harder than sight reading a lot of >other stuff. I don't know why, but it is. With duets you're on the spot. I don't pay much attention to anything in duets; it's just lots of fun playing with someone else! >3) If you think such an event may happen again, and you own some >duets, spend some time practising them so you won't have to sight read >the next time. To each her own, of course, but it'll be a hot day in Michigan in January that I'll practice duets. >4) It is a lot of fun and a neat way to meet other horn players. My feeling exactly. Also, regular duets are great for improving sight reading, technique and endurance. There's pressure to keep going, but not enough to keep playing if one of the players gets a bit tired. -- Carlberg Jones Skype - carlbergbmug Cornista - Orquesta Sinfónica de Aguascalientes Aguascalientes, Ags. MEXICO All original material copyright 2009 © Carlberg Jones ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Too Many Lists, Semi NHR
Open mail reader a few moments ago and the subject line of new e-mail caught my eye. "[mrpca] Hans counterfeit anchors" Took me a moment or two to realize it wasn't from this list, and didn't involved Prof. Pizka. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Duets in Dallas, Texas?
Yes, but I just got back from a road trip to FT Hood and am off to Austin tomorrow afternoon. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of carlbergjo...@prodigy.net.mx Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 3:06 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu; h...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Hornlist] Duets in Dallas, Texas? Greetings, y'all - I'm taking a day of rest tomorrow at the Discovery Inn, phone 972-303-1900, just off Interstate 30 about 18 miles from the center of Dallas. If anyone would like to play some duets, I'm free for the rest of today and all day tomorrow. Anyone from the Dallas area on the horn list? Bye now, Carlberg mail2web.com - Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on MicrosoftR Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist]. Conductor's. Was Confusing transposition
Most conductors probably have very high resistivity. Making it very hard for them to conduct even electricity. Though they might make good insulators. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of lewho...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 3:45 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist]. Conductor's. Was Confusing transposition Ah yes, Scott. To be young and still think that most conductors are infallable and that they are god... Sorry to burst your bubble, but I can tell stories and I don't play at the level that Hans and others on this forum have worked. I personally have worked under conductors that in some cases were totally clueless. Some of our colleagues on this list in the Metropolitan area where I reside (the name of the community shall remain nameless to protect the innocent, lol) know of a certain conductor that if you watched him, you were sure to get lost when he conducted a piece in three that really was in four. I am not joking! He also liked to play John Williams' music at a VERY slow tempo. I have said he couldn't conduct his way out of a paper bag. Now that my colleagues from my area are hopefully chuckling, I withdraw probably to be flamed. Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: scott...@msn.com Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: horn@music.memphis.edu ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: FW: [Hornlist] Confusing transposition (double post) Sent: Aug 17, 2009 4:15 PM Walt Lewis wrote: Won't that infuriate most conductors, even those that are so bad they can't conduct electricity let alone Wagner, Mendelssohn, Brahms et al? My question is how do you know they cannot conduct electricity unless you try... hard. Respectfully Submitted, Scott Young ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist]. Conductor's. Was Confusing transposition
Hell, I settle for a down beat in non-free flowing music. Maybe in every fourth measure, that would be a tremendous blessing. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Herbert Foster Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 7:48 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist]. Conductor's. Was Confusing transposition I was playing in an amateur orchestra where everyone was getting lost in a contemporary piece that was free-flowing with no definite rythm. The conductor waved the stick in a free-flowing style trying to "emote." I respectfully asked him--I even played the senior citizen card--to give a definite downbeat at the beginning of each measure so I could count rests. He looked at me very startled and asked, "EVERY measure?" Would you believe that on the day of the concert, in the pre-concert rehearsal, he was still trying to get everyone to come in together? I spent many hours listening to a recording and writing in cues. I did make every entrance. Herb Foster From: "lewho...@yahoo.com" To: The Horn List Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 4:44:51 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist]. Conductor's. Was Confusing transposition Ah yes, Scott. To be young and still think that most conductors are infallable and that they are god... Sorry to burst your bubble, but I can tell stories and I don't play at the level that Hans and others on this forum have worked. I personally have worked under conductors that in some cases were totally clueless. Some of our colleagues on this list in the Metropolitan area where I reside (the name of the community shall remain nameless to protect the innocent, lol) know of a certain conductor that if you watched him, you were sure to get lost when he conducted a piece in three that really was in four. I am not joking! He also liked to play John Williams' music at a VERY slow tempo. I have said he couldn't conduct his way out of a paper bag. Now that my colleagues from my area are hopefully chuckling, I withdraw probably to be flamed. Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: scott...@msn.com Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: horn@music.memphis.edu ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: FW: [Hornlist] Confusing transposition (double post) Sent: Aug 17, 2009 4:15 PM Walt Lewis wrote: Won't that infuriate most conductors, even those that are so bad they can't conduct electricity let alone Wagner, Mendelssohn, Brahms et al? My question is how do you know they cannot conduct electricity unless you try... hard. Respectfully Submitted, Scott Young ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Confusing transposition (double post)
An apocryphal story about such as female warning devices. It started with the US B58 bomber. Air Force engineers discovered that male pilots would respond to recorded hazard warnings is a female voice was used. Our dear, departed friends the Sov's picked up on this. The apocryphal part, it is told that a senior Sov Air Force officer was trying to land his jet aircraft in East Germany. He was having all kinds of system problems. Radio intercept equipment in the West is said to have recorded his fight to save is a/c including his final frustration with all the warnings being played to him in a female voice with a "shut up "b*tch". -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Haflich Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 3:45 PM To: lewho...@yahoo.com; The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Confusing transposition (double post) lewho...@yahoo.com asked: ?Does the female voice say "recalculating" after one clams a transposed note"? My inner guidance system generally suggests "turn left (or right, alternatively), and scowl at the assistant (or second)." ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Strauss 2 and En Foret; and a complaint
Hi, Chris, Yes, in the B & H edition, there are a few misprints. The note you ask about is played a concert F in the two recordings I have (Barry Tuckwell, 1990, and Peter Damm). In the CD liner notes of the Tuckwell recording, he slams B&H and their errors in the score, regarding notes, phrasings, dynamics and tempos (tempi?). I can't comment on En Foret ... somehow, I made it all the way through grad school without ever seeing the piece. A pet peeve of mine ... I have the BBC issued CD of Dennis Brain playing Beethoven Sextet Op. 81b, Auf dem Strom and Haydn 1, among other things. Amongst the liner notes are some photos of DB with other musicians ... who shall remain nameless, because there are no captions. Thanks, BBC. Supplying few names would be nice. Maybe some of the UK groupies could help. There. Now I feel better. Bill --- On Sun, 8/9/09, christopher Griffin wrote: > From: christopher Griffin > Subject: [Hornlist] Strauss 2 and En Foret > To: "hornmailing list" > Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 9:03 AM > > Hi guys! > > > > This might be opening a can of worms but does anyone know > of any misprints in Strauss 2 (Boosey & Hawkes) and the > Bozza En Foret (Alphonse Leduc)? I especially wanted > to know about the last eighth note of the bar before 36 in > the last movement of the Strauss. I'm sure it must go > back to an F concert but it is printed as an F-sharp concert > in both the score and the horn part. The F-sharp works > in a weird kind of way. > > > > I'm also wondering what people think about going down to a > low A in the second "horn call" near the end of the Bozza. > It is printed as the A just below middle C. Some go > down to the low A. I'm curious why, in such a tour de > force, that Bozza would have written the low A anyway. > > > > Thanks in advance! C Griffin ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: Recording (NHR)
I could be wrong, but as noted earlier my amplifier is Tango Uniform so I can't play the LP. The "mighty, mighty, bolder, bolder," shtick wasn't part of a song. It was the patter between songs. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Warren Van Camp Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 4:51 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Recording (NHR) Are you sure that "Boulder, Boulder" was Tom Lehrer. I see Abe Burrows had a skit like that. The discography in the back of my Tom Lehrer song book shows... Songs by Tom Lehrer (1953) An Evening Wasted with Tom Lehrer (1959) Tom Lehrer Revisited (1960) (live version of songs from "Songs by...") Poisoning Pigeons in the Park/The Masochism Tango (1960) (single) That Was the Year That Was (1965) But I don't see any obvious reference to Boulder in any lyrics. Warren. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] The original Tom Lehrer recording (NHR)
Where your picture shows, "TransRadio" my LP shows "Leher Records". -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Glick, Ed Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 3:27 PM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] The original Tom Lehrer recording (NHR) Below is a copy of a reply I tried to send, complete with an attachment of a copy of the label I describe below. I wanted to post the copy of the label with the hope it that would clear up some questions about different editions of the recording, that have been raised. However, I discovered that we can't send attachments to the list. I asked for help from Dan Phillips, who runs this list, and he graciously put the label copy on a site that would make it available. So, if you want to look at the original Tom Lehrer record label, go to http://music2.memphis.edu/img531.jpg Here's the rest of that explanation I had tried to send: I'm attaching a copy [see the link above] of the label from my disc. You can see the TransRadio logo at the top and TR740A at the left. The jacket for my LP has the same note for buying copies of the record as does yours. I left TransRadio soon after I recorded this disc, moving to Ann Arbor (Mich) to work on my master's in music lit and work for the University's radio station, WUOM, as a studio engineer. Because of the success of this recording, I know that Lehrer had further pressings made. If the contents are the same as I've listed below, the new pressing were probably made from the tape we produced. If different titles are on anyone's disc, this probably indicates either that Lehrer inserted these new ones into the old tape, or more likely, may have made completely new recordings. I hope this clarifies some of the questions that have been raised; possibly some of the members of our list can provide answers. Ed -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+glick=unt@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-dbounces+glick=unt@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Gross Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 7:18 AM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: Recording (NHR) Just back from the subvault under Jack Benny's the recoding I have is a 10" LP. The jacket has no indication of who released it. There is a note that reads, "Copies of this record are available at many record stores, or, at $3.95 each plus 50 cents for mailing, from Tom Lehrer, Box 121, Cambridge 38, Massachusetts." The LP lable only says "Leher Records" and what appears to be a catalog number in small print. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Glick, Ed Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 9:32 PM To: The Horn List Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: Recording (NHR) I don't recall "Boulder, Boulder". but I think it's possible that he made another recording at a later date. The recording I made was in 1953. The 10" LP (remember those? Only if you're really old!) has the TransRadio (the name of our studio) label on it and the songs are copyrighted 1952, 1953. The songs on Side 1 are: "Fight Fiercely, Harvard," "The Old Dope Peddler," "Be Prepared," "The Wild West," "I Wanna Go Back to Dixie, "Lobachevsky." On Side 2 were "The Irish Ballad,""The Hunting Song," "My Home Town," "When You Are Old and Gray," "I Hold Your Hand in Mine," and the Wiener Schnitzel Waltz." As I said, I don't remember anything with "Boulder, Boulder" in it. I'll listen to the disc again to check, but I believe it must have been on a later [commercial] recording that duplicated some of the songs from the original disc. We cut a master from the tape I made and Lehrer sold those records himself. (His address was printed on the back of the album cover.) Of all the songs on the disc (all original), "Lobachevsky" was the one that really didn't fit in with the style of the others. I was told that Lehrer, who was a teaching fellow in Math at Harvard at the time, composed and recorded the song to appeal to fellow mathematicians and believed he could sell a few more to them with this song. (Lobachevsky was a famous mathematician known to all in that field - I think) I remember that during the heyday of "That Was the Week that Was" on tv, Lehrer had a regularly recurring spot on the program. I don't know how long that lasted. Ed Glick P.S. I thought I would be smart and googled "Lobachevsky, hoping to find out something about Lobachevsky. I quit after finding 20 pages just of Lehrer's "Lobachevsky" song. There were many more.__
RE: [Hornlist] Re: Recording (NHR)
I'd put my disc on and transcribe the end of side 1 start of side 2, but my
amp is in the shop for some spurious loose connection.
-Original Message-
From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu
[mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of
Herbert Foster
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 7:35 AM
To: The Horn List
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Recording (NHR)
Since my interest is more technical, the first Google hit I got was
wackypedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Lobachevsky
He was a famous mathematician.
I am impressed that you were the recording engineer. I have the record. I
don't remember "Boulder, Boulder," though I do remember "The Masochism
Tango," which isn't on your list.
Horn related: Other recording artists from that era who recorded horn
related songs were Flanders and Swan, and Anna Russel. Flanders and Swan
recorded "Ill Wind" to the K495 Rondo. Anna Russel did some hilarious songs
about the horn ("The orchestra is divided into .. the scrape section, the
blow section and the bang section") and the Ring ("I'm not making this up,
you know"). I shouldn't play these CDs while I am driving: I lose control
from laughing.
Herb Foster
From: "Glick, Ed"
To: The Horn List
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 10:32:07 PM
Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: Recording (NHR)
I don't recall "Boulder, Boulder". but I think it's possible that he made
another recording at a later date. The recording I made was in 1953. The 10"
LP (remember those? Only if you're really old!) has the TransRadio (the name
of our studio) label on it and the songs are copyrighted 1952, 1953. The
songs on Side 1 are: "Fight Fiercely, Harvard," "The Old Dope Peddler," "Be
Prepared," "The Wild West," "I Wanna Go Back to Dixie, "Lobachevsky." On
Side 2 were "The Irish Ballad,""The Hunting Song," "My Home Town," "When You
Are Old and Gray," "I Hold Your Hand in Mine," and the Wiener Schnitzel
Waltz."
As I said, I don't remember anything with "Boulder, Boulder" in it. I'll
listen to the disc again to check, but I believe it must have been on a
later [commercial] recording that duplicated some of the songs from the
original disc. We cut a master from the tape I made and Lehrer sold those
records himself. (His address was printed on the back of the album cover.)
Of all the songs on the disc (all original), "Lobachevsky" was the one that
really didn't fit in with the style of the others. I was told that Lehrer,
who was a teaching fellow in Math at Harvard at the time, composed and
recorded the song to appeal to fellow mathematicians and believed he could
sell a few more to them with this song. (Lobachevsky was a famous
mathematician known to all in that field - I think)
I remember that during the heyday of "That Was the Week that Was" on tv,
Lehrer had a regularly recurring spot on the program. I don't know how long
that lasted.
Ed Glick
P.S. I thought I would be smart and googled "Lobachevsky, hoping to find out
something about Lobachevsky. I quit after finding 20 pages just of Lehrer's
"Lobachevsky" song. There were many more.
-Original Message-
From: horn-bounces+glick=unt@music.memphis.edu
[mailto:horn-bounces+glick=unt@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Bill
Gross
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 5:32 PM
To: 'The Horn List'
Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: Recording
Me too, I still have the copy my father bought. I can't remember the lead
it, but side one ends with him saying "Mighty, mighty, Boulder Boulder. . .
" you flip it over and the first word on side 2 is "dam." At that time,
late 50s early 60s that was pushing the limits.
". . . Do not shade your eyes, but plagiarize. . . and who deserves the
credit, who deserve the fame? Nicolai Ivanovich Lobachevsky was name."
-Original Message-
From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu
[mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of
Richard V. West
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 5:21 PM
To: The Horn List
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Recording
Hey, I'm impressed! In my youth (just a few years younger than you, Ed),
Lehrer was the MAN! "I hold your hand in mine dear, though you are far
away" Ah, the beauty of it all.
Richard in Seattle
Glick, Ed wrote:
> Incidentally, although I'm sure you're younger than I am (83 - me, not
> you), but you may be of the generation that heard (or heard of) the
> recording by Tom Lehrer. ("Be prepared, that's the Boy Scout marching
> song," "Lobachevsky," etc.). If you know of this recording, you may
> (or ma
RE: [Hornlist] Re: Recording (NHR)
Just back from the subvault under Jack Benny's the recoding I have is a 10"
LP. The jacket has no indication of who released it. There is a note that
reads, "Copies of this record are available at many record stores, or, at
$3.95 each plus 50 cents for mailing, from Tom Lehrer, Box 121, Cambridge
38, Massachusetts."
The LP lable only says "Leher Records" and what appears to be a catalog
number in small print.
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[mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of
Glick, Ed
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 9:32 PM
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Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: Recording (NHR)
I don't recall "Boulder, Boulder". but I think it's possible that he made
another recording at a later date. The recording I made was in 1953. The 10"
LP (remember those? Only if you're really old!) has the TransRadio (the name
of our studio) label on it and the songs are copyrighted 1952, 1953. The
songs on Side 1 are: "Fight Fiercely, Harvard," "The Old Dope Peddler," "Be
Prepared," "The Wild West," "I Wanna Go Back to Dixie, "Lobachevsky." On
Side 2 were "The Irish Ballad,""The Hunting Song," "My Home Town," "When You
Are Old and Gray," "I Hold Your Hand in Mine," and the Wiener Schnitzel
Waltz."
As I said, I don't remember anything with "Boulder, Boulder" in it. I'll
listen to the disc again to check, but I believe it must have been on a
later [commercial] recording that duplicated some of the songs from the
original disc. We cut a master from the tape I made and Lehrer sold those
records himself. (His address was printed on the back of the album cover.)
Of all the songs on the disc (all original), "Lobachevsky" was the one that
really didn't fit in with the style of the others. I was told that Lehrer,
who was a teaching fellow in Math at Harvard at the time, composed and
recorded the song to appeal to fellow mathematicians and believed he could
sell a few more to them with this song. (Lobachevsky was a famous
mathematician known to all in that field - I think)
I remember that during the heyday of "That Was the Week that Was" on tv,
Lehrer had a regularly recurring spot on the program. I don't know how long
that lasted.
Ed Glick
P.S. I thought I would be smart and googled "Lobachevsky, hoping to find out
something about Lobachevsky. I quit after finding 20 pages just of Lehrer's
"Lobachevsky" song. There were many more.
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Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: Recording
Me too, I still have the copy my father bought. I can't remember the lead
it, but side one ends with him saying "Mighty, mighty, Boulder Boulder. . .
" you flip it over and the first word on side 2 is "dam." At that time,
late 50s early 60s that was pushing the limits.
". . . Do not shade your eyes, but plagiarize. . . and who deserves the
credit, who deserve the fame? Nicolai Ivanovich Lobachevsky was name."
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Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 5:21 PM
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Hey, I'm impressed! In my youth (just a few years younger than you, Ed),
Lehrer was the MAN! "I hold your hand in mine dear, though you are far
away" Ah, the beauty of it all.
Richard in Seattle
Glick, Ed wrote:
> Incidentally, although I'm sure you're younger than I am (83 - me, not
> you), but you may be of the generation that heard (or heard of) the
> recording by Tom Lehrer. ("Be prepared, that's the Boy Scout marching
> song," "Lobachevsky," etc.). If you know of this recording, you may
> (or may not) be impressed that I was the engineer on the original
> recording. (Of course, if you've never heard of it, you probably won't
> be.)
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RE: [Hornlist] Re: Recording
Me too, I still have the copy my father bought. I can't remember the lead
it, but side one ends with him saying "Mighty, mighty, Boulder Boulder. . .
" you flip it over and the first word on side 2 is "dam." At that time,
late 50s early 60s that was pushing the limits.
". . . Do not shade your eyes, but plagiarize. . . and who deserves the
credit, who deserve the fame? Nicolai Ivanovich Lobachevsky was name."
-Original Message-
From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu
[mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of
Richard V. West
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 5:21 PM
To: The Horn List
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Recording
Hey, I'm impressed! In my youth (just a few years younger than you, Ed),
Lehrer was the MAN! "I hold your hand in mine dear, though you are far
away" Ah, the beauty of it all.
Richard in Seattle
Glick, Ed wrote:
> Incidentally, although I'm sure you're younger than I am (83 - me, not
> you), but you may be of the generation that heard (or heard of) the
> recording by Tom Lehrer. ("Be prepared, that's the Boy Scout marching
> song," "Lobachevsky," etc.). If you know of this recording, you may
> (or may not) be impressed that I was the engineer on the original
> recording. (Of course, if you've never heard of it, you probably won't
> be.)
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RE: [Hornlist] Mona Lisa and the horn...
Weak horn humor. . . But as the Roman's noted around 2,000 years ago it's futile to argue over taste. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of bdigest Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 12:09 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Mona Lisa and the horn... If anything merits a double-post, it's horn humor... We just received three prints from an eBay store that Photoshops musical instruments into pictures. American Gothic, Einstein in white tie with horn, and ancient Egyptians with Rubank and practice stand were our quirky choices. But Hitchcock, the Mona Lisa, The Washington (Horn) Monument and Whistler's Mother were all vying for attention...I can see a gallery in our future! :-) As for quality, the 8x10's seem to be very nice color laser prints, and the 11x14 is black & white. I'll put an eBay link in this message, but if it doesn't work, just search eBay for "Einstein horn" and then check out the "horn" gallery portion. I'm interested to see if you find them as amusing as we did... http://stores.shop.ebay.com/FletcherPix__W0QQ_armrsZ1QQ_fsubZ4672232 Regards, Mike L. Cincinnati, OH ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Audition help!
FWIW, I'm not sure this is the case (orchestra's providing copies). My limited experience with smaller groups is that they just publish the list. As I recall last May the Houston Symphony didn't provide music just a list of audition material. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Margaret Dikel Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 11:18 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Audition help! >Hey everyone, >I am in need of some help, I need to track down the second horn part to >Shostakovitch 5 (1st mvmnt) and the Ravel Piano Concerto in G 2nd horn part. >I have exhausted local resources and am curious if anyone can lend a hand. The orchestra for whom you are auditioning should be prepared to provide you with parts since both of these pieces are under copyright (and you can't get the easily). So call them. Then, if that doesn't work, email me privately. mfri...@erols.com Margaret Dikel Symphony of the Potomac symphonypotomac.org Margaret F. Dikel The Riley Guide 11218 Ashley Dr. Rockville, MD 20852 301-881-0122 mfri...@erols.com www.rileyguide.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/william.s.gross%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] test message
That was a test and only a test. Had it been a real message there would have been something to read. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Gary Greene Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 8:38 PM To: Horn-List Subject: [Hornlist] test message _ Insert movie times and more without leaving HotmailR. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutori al_QuickAdd_062009___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/william.s.gross%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] RE: Play low to play high
--- On Tue, 7/7/09, wells123...@juno.com wrote: > > Well, of course, Hans, every horn player knows that. > Just how ignorant do you think we all are? Sheesh! > If you aren't sure if you will like the answer, then don't ask the question. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Replacing an 8D leadpipe
The expense falls into two categories, cost of new leadpipe and cost of craftsman/artisan to install. Lawson leadpipes for the 8D seem to set the standard. Check out www.lawsonhorns.com for a price list. You should be able to find a compentent craftsman to install it. I would think it will be under $100.00 -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Chris Wilhjelm Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 6:44 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Replacing an 8D leadpipe Does anyone have an idea as to cost of replacing an Eastlake Conn 8D leadpipe? I would also be happy to have suggestions for pipes that might improve the horn. This is for a student so really expensive professional alternatives would not be the way to go on this one. Thanks for your thoughts. Chris ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/william.s.gross%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] DSO Conductor - Fron Page Copy
Today the local fishwarp, the Dallas Morning News, ran a front page story, below the fold about the new conductor of the DSO.It was the major lead on the that section of the front page. The fellow, Jaap van Zweden, really is making a big hit here both with DSO members and audiences. If you are interested you can read more at http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/ent/performingarts/stories/07050 9dngddso.4bca9ae.html The only down side is it written by Scott Cantrell the music critic of the DSO. Same fellow who could only write of Hustis's performance of the Brhams Trio, " . . .well he did have to play a lot more notes than during a symphony concert." ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] solo beginnings - the list so far
Nice topic, Bob. This will keep us busy all summer. Haydn Symphony #103, "Drum Roll" ... I could be mistaken, but I think it starts with solo tympani. Bill ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] OT: solo beginnings
Is it too late for another one? If I remember correctly ... Sibelius Symphony #7 ... tympani --- On Sun, 6/28/09, Robert N. Ward wrote: > From: Robert N. Ward > Subject: [Hornlist] OT: solo beginnings > To: "Horn Mailing List - old" , "Horn Mailing List > New" > Date: Sunday, June 28, 2009, 9:46 PM > Hello all, > > Now that we are moving into summer, how about a little game > to test your knowledge: > > Name compositions for orchestra (including concerti) that > begin with a one single, solo instrument. > > I'll get you started: > > Debussy: Afternoon of a Faun > Stravinsky: Rite of Spring > Brahms: Piano Concerto No. 2 > > Have at it! > > Bob > > ** > Robert N. Ward > Principal Horn > San Francisco Symphony > rnw...@comcast.net > > > > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tower_music%40yahoo.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] OT: Schubert
--- On Mon, 6/29/09, Steve Haflich wrote: > Schubert's use of compound measures is worth study. > Compare the very > odd initial statement of the theme in the Unfinished. > When I was in a > grad school seminar Prof Maury Yeston (the same dude as the > composer of > _Nine_) was presented this problem by a member of the class > and > extempore came up with a very convincing analysis that > invoked his > earlier treatise _The Stratification of Musical Rhythm_ > (1976). The > rhythm is (almost) symmetrical, creating metrical closure > over the > initial 6 measures. > Another good example of Schubert's asymmetrical phrasing is the 2nd movement of the 9th symphony. There's not a "normal" 4+4 measure phrase until about 20-30 measures into the piece. Bill ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] OT: solo beginnings
These start with trumpet ... Wagner: Rienzi Overture Rimski-Korsakov: Le Coq d'or Shostakovich: Symphony #1 Prokofiev: Lieutenant Kije Mahler: 5 and one with horn ... Ippolitov-Ivanov: Caucasian Sketches Suite #1 Bill --- On Sun, 6/28/09, Robert N. Ward wrote: > Hello all, > > Now that we are moving into summer, how about a little game > to test your knowledge: > > Name compositions for orchestra (including concerti) that > begin with a one single, solo instrument. > > I'll get you started: > > Debussy: Afternoon of a Faun > Stravinsky: Rite of Spring > Brahms: Piano Concerto No. 2 > > Have at it! > > Bob > > ** > Robert N. Ward > Principal Horn > San Francisco Symphony > rnw...@comcast.net > > > > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tower_music%40yahoo.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] OT: solo beginnings
1. Flute 2. Basson 3. IDN -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Robert N. Ward Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 8:46 PM To: Horn Mailing List - old; Horn Mailing List New Subject: [Hornlist] OT: solo beginnings Hello all, Now that we are moving into summer, how about a little game to test your knowledge: Name compositions for orchestra (including concerti) that begin with a one single, solo instrument. I'll get you started: Debussy: Afternoon of a Faun Stravinsky: Rite of Spring Brahms: Piano Concerto No. 2 Have at it! Bob ** Robert N. Ward Principal Horn San Francisco Symphony rnw...@comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Copycat Musical Themes
"Good on ya, mate!" Anything that gives Anderson a payback for all the crappy horn parts he created over the years is well deserved. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Eldon Matlick Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 3:48 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Copycat Musical Themes Sorry to reply so late to an old post, but I thought you all might like this. Certainly there are many selections when the phrasing and chord changes can cause some interesting interpolations. We were doing a tribute concert to Leroy Anderson a few years back. Oh, a tremendously exciting concert for us to be sure (Our Music Director likes to pull these insipid things out from time to time. We were doing 'The First Day of Spring,' an especially sappy arrangement, when I noticed that I could hum the theme to The Flintstone's along with it. Of course, to break the boredom I played it softly on the next run through. My brass colleagues lost it and it took several bars for the winds to catch on. The conductor, of course, was not terribly amused, but we all got a good chuckle, but of course, I didn't do it again. Being a bad boy in OKC, Dr. Eldon Matlick, Horn Professor, University of Oklahoma Principal Hornist, OK City Philharmonic 500 W Boyd Norman, OK 73019 (405) 325-4093 off. (405) 325-7574 fax Conn-Selmer Educational Artist http://ouhorns.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Double post - After-trip report - IHS Symposium
Well, maybe smoke, but for certain the bad odor. Bill --- On Tue, 6/9/09, Dan Malloy Jr wrote: > So that is what all the smoke was > from?!???!! :-P > Dan > > > > > > > > > > My apologies to those who had to endure about 25 > minutes of high A's and > > higher. > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > > unsubscribe or set options at > > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/dan.malloy.jr%40gmail.com > > > > > > -- > > > Waterloo-Cedar Falls Symphony Orchestra - Principal Horn > Cedar Rapids Symphony Orchestra - 4th Horn > Private Horn Studio > Piano Tuner > > danmalloyjr.com > bsharpmusicservices.com > dan.malloy...@gmail.com > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tower_music%40yahoo.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Double post - After-trip report - IHS Symposium
--- On Mon, 6/8/09, Jeremy Cucco wrote: The > one HUGE disappointment in this room for me was the > McCracken setup. While Mr. McCracken was present, he wasn't > around when I came to try out his horn. Because it was > a room full of publishers and his was the only horn in the > room, the guy at the table asked if I could join him and > play it in an adjacent room. While I found the horn to > be a good sounding and feeling larger horn, I encountered an > oddity. As I was playing up the scale, I cracked the > high A. Not the end of the world - I tried it > again. I cracked it again. After several failed > attempts, I finally figured out why. The high A > slotted quite a bit over the pitch. Trigger 0 and > Trigger 3 slotted below the pitch. I checked the > slides, made some minor adjustments and boom - cracked it > again. At this point, the person "assisting" me with > the horn tutored me on horn playing suggesting that I didn't > know how to play a high A correctly. My embouchure was > too relaxed and my tongue wasn't high enough in the mouth > according to this person. When I assured him that I > can play "A's" all day on just about every other horn in the > building, he insisted that I just simply couldn't play a > consistent A. That was enough for me. I handed > the horn back and left the booth. Apparently, > unbeknownst to me, that horn was perfect and infallible. Jeremy, I had a similar problem with my Finke. It's a great horn, but the high A was very tricky. (Weber Concertino in E ... no problem; Haydn 1st ... big problem.)I thought maybe a different leadpipe would help, and was ready to talk this over with Johannes, but, a long story short, all it took was a different mouthpiece. I tried a few Osmun mouthpieces similar to what I had been using, and I found one that worked. Really well. Maybe your mouthpiece didn't match with a McCracken. I used to think that the taper, shank, bore of a mouthpiece didn't matter much, and any mouthpiece could be used on any horn (within reason). Now I know better. My apologies to those who had to endure about 25 minutes of high A's and higher. Bill ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Professional Cleaning?
I own an 8D mfgr. in the early 1960s. Lacquer had become pitted, and just plain ugly. Local horn repair guy, Dennis Haughton, removed old lacquer and replaced. He admitted if he had a full scale set up, spray booth etc, he could have done a better job. As for me I am 100% satisfied with the work he did and the improved physical appearance of the horn. So, putting the bottom line at the bottom, you can have the old lacquer removed and new applied and it will give you the appearance you want. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Tim Kecherson Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 8:14 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Professional Cleaning? I'd like to thank everyone who helped me out with this problem. I have one more question about this. My personal horn (the first question was about my fiancee's horn) is in very bad shape, and is no longer lacquered at all. If I were to get my horn fixed up and cleaned, would it be shiny again? It is a nickel-silver Conn 8D and I'm fairly certain it has not been properly cleaned or polished for about 15 years. -- Tim - Original Message - From: "Chris Wilhjelm" To: "The Horn List" Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 08:28 Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Professional Cleaning? Indeed Tim and thanks for the nod Steve, and yes, I gladly recommend Randy Ulmer, he's a wizard - great repairman, incredibly fair, and a terrific guy (in addition to being a fine horn player). c >>> Steve Freides 6/4/2009 5:48 PM >>> Randy Ulmer, http://www.randalulmer.com - Tenafly, NJ. Chris Wiljehlm recommended him to me and he's who I use. If you look at his web site, you'll see a lot of other folks use him, too. -S- On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Tim Kecherson wrote: > I am looking for a person who can chemically clean my horn. I also need > to have the bell bracing re-soldered. Does anybody know someone in the > northern New Jersey area without going into the city? Thank you very > much. > > -- > Tim Kecherson > > > FREE 3D MARINE AQUARIUM SCREENSAVER - Watch dolphins, sharks & orcas on > your desktop! > Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/marineaquarium > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve.freides%40gmail.com > ( > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve.freides%40gmail.com ) > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cwilhjelm%40pascack.k12.nj.us ( http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cwilhjelm%40pascack.k12.nj.us ) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/ketch90%40inbox.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/william.s.gross%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: 4. Re: Playing under a ceiling fan-not too hornrelated
That's right, it works in practice but would never stand up in theory. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of daniel.canaru...@unifi.it Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 4:13 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: 4. Re: Playing under a ceiling fan-not too hornrelated - Message from simonvar...@gmail.com - > > ..ouch, my brain hurts. Don't worry so much. The possible causes affecting any real physical phaenomenon are infinite. One of the main tasks of the physicist, not at all a trivial one, is exactly that of discerning what is really important. Usually, only a regular confrontation with practical experiments can help decision. Pure theory only works in very special cases. Daniel mathematical physicists & dedicated amateur hornist ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Head Count - IHS Symposium
Sounds good. Bill Tyler, CLT ATCT --- On Sat, 5/23/09, sandyp...@aol.com wrote: > From: sandyp...@aol.com > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Head Count - IHS Symposium > To: horn@music.memphis.edu > Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 2:47 PM > I would be willing to bring dots and > hold them at the Pelican Music > exhibit. That way everyone can find where to pick > them up. How does that sound? > > Sandy Petersen > Pelican Music > _www.pelicanmusicpublishing.com_ (http://www.pelicanmusicpublishing.com) > > **A strong credit score is 700 or above. See > Yours in Just 2 > Easy Steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585033x1201462753/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&b > cd=Maystrongfooter52309NO115) > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tower_music%40yahoo.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Funny sales history, confirmation please!
I sit corrected. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of John Dutton Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 12:40 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Funny sales history, confirmation please! quote: It would have been "Made in the FRG" or "Made in the GDR." The English translation that is. /quote This is incorrect. When Gebr. Alexander manufactured horns specifically for the US market they were labeled made in W. Germany. I have two horns from the period in question, the newer one about 1978. This was true for the Giardinelli stencils as well I am sure for the Yancich Helden horns. Pictures may be seen at my website if doubt remains. Giardinelli ceased importing Alex horns sometime in the early or mid 1980's. I can query Richard Bentson at Wichita Band about the horns he imported if anyone really cares about completeness. The Jack Attack! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/william.s.gross%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Funny sales history, confirmation please!
It would have been "Made in the FRG" or "Made in the GDR." The English translation that is. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Richard V. West Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 7:06 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Funny sales history, confirmation please! I stand corrected, but for the life of me don't recall the "Made in W. Germany" on any articles as late as 1989, the date of the fall of the Wall. After the Bundesrepublik was recognized in the West, and the German Democratic Republic was a fait accompli in the East, "West Germany" as an official distinction seems to me to have gradually disappeared and only used by TV anchors and general public for ease of identification. As for Russia vs. USSR, you're politically correct there. I made many trips to the (former) USSR in my life and was always careful then about making the distinction between the political reality (USSR) and the culture---at least in the European part (Russian/Ukrainian, Belorussian, etc.). I've gotten careless since the dissolution of the USSR, since it's somewhat moot. Richard in Seattle Paul Rincon wrote: > Sorry Richard, but the label "Made in W. Germany" was around until > after the fall of the Berlin wall. I have CDs with "Made in West > Germany" printed on the back, and I don't think those were around in > the 1960's. > > Also, it was the Soviet Union, not Russia, that exerted dominance over > East Germany during that time period. > > Paul ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Funny sales history, confirmation please!
Kind of reminds me of a neigbor I knew growing up. He was a coin collector. Rather than go for the rare coins, he'd buy the mixed lots that were around from time to time. One of his neatest sets were counterfit Dutch Indonesian coins. The ranged fron crude lumps of metal to rather good copies. He figured that the crude copies were made by people living well away from areas of Dutch presence. To them the value was more in the metal than anything else. The quality continued to improve and he made a best guess as to who had made them based on socio-economic stuff. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of John Baumgart Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 3:09 PM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Funny sales history, confirmation please! It's just a matter of time before you'll be seeing modern Chinese counterfeits of vintage horns and other instruments. That's what the description first made me think of. You'll see them on eBay first, though, initially sold by Chinese sellers using their finest Engrish and questionable facts about a horn being used by Manchester Yankovich, Dennis and the Brain, et al, in their descriptions, and then later from their proxies in their target markets so that people aren't instantly turned off by the item location. Why sell a Parrot for $200 when with a little retooling and artifical wear and tear you could sell it for $1800 as a bargain. Elkhart 8D, anyone? John Baumgart -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+john.baumgart=comcast@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+john.baumgart=comcast@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Richard V. West Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 1:32 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Funny sales history, confirmation please! The seller also has the putative date of manufacture wrong. The phrase "Made in W. Germany" was used in the tears immediately following World War 2 to differentiate the Western zones of Germany---occupied by the Americans, French, and British---from "East" Germany---the Russian dominated part of divided Germany, but was phased out of use in the 1960s. My guess is that the horn was probably made in the 1950s. Richard in Seattle Bill Tyler wrote: >>> from: Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre >>> >> >> >>> http://www.hornplayer.net/forsale/f8873.html >>> >>> I wonder about the history behind this Alexander >>> >> model. The player referred to cannot be verified on the web. >> >> > > >>> from: "Sandra Clark" >>> >>> I'm betting the seller is simply butchering Milan >>> >> Yancich's name... ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/john.baumgart%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/william.s.gross%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] San Francisco Symphony audition results
That's the second young horn player Dallas has lost in the last year. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Robert N. Ward Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 7:37 PM To: Horn Mailing List - old; Horn Mailing List New Subject: [Hornlist] San Francisco Symphony audition results Hi all, The SF Symphony had auditions for Associate Principal Horn on Monday, and we qualified one person for the position: Nicole Cash, of the Dallas Symphony. Nikki will join us for a trial week soon as a continuation of the process. Nikki played a wonderfully all day, despite a process that was very long, so congratulations to her! Bob ** Robert N. Ward Principal Horn San Francisco Symphony rnw...@comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Funny sales history, confirmation please!
> > from: Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre > > > > > http://www.hornplayer.net/forsale/f8873.html > > > > I wonder about the history behind this Alexander > model. The player referred to cannot be verified on the > web. > > > from: "Sandra Clark" > > > > I'm betting the seller is simply butchering Milan > Yancich's name... > > Yep, somehow good 'ol Gerb making horns for his pal Mainz > doesn't ring quite right... > > -- Jerry in the Woods > Besides, Milan Yancich played 4th horn at Rochester, if I remember correctly. That listing sure looks bogus to me, too. Bill the Suspicious ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] trios for three horns
I think the Reicha's may even be available on-line. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Tyler Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:06 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] trios for three horns Yes, it is. For a start, there's Reicha, Schneider, Dauprat and Tripperies. Bill --- On Tue, 5/19/09, Luke Zyla wrote: > Oh boy, this is going to be fun. > Luke Zyla > - Original Message - From: > > > Can anyone recommend trio repertoire for 3 > horns? Preferably on the more > > serious side, not transcribed or arranged, and at > college level. Thank > > you. > > > > > > ** > > An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 > Easy > > Steps! > > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823248x1201398651/aol?r > > edir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgI > > D=62& > > bcd=MayExcfooter51609NO62) > > ___ > > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > > unsubscribe or set options at > > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lzyla%40suddenlink.ne > > t > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tower_music%40yahoo.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/william.s.gross%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] trios for three horns
Yes, it is. For a start, there's Reicha, Schneider, Dauprat and Tripperies. Bill --- On Tue, 5/19/09, Luke Zyla wrote: > Oh boy, this is going to be fun. > Luke Zyla > - Original Message - From: > > > Can anyone recommend trio repertoire for 3 > horns? Preferably on the more > > serious side, not transcribed or arranged, and at > college level. Thank > > you. > > > > > > ** > > An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 > Easy > > Steps! > > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823248x1201398651/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&; > > bcd=MayExcfooter51609NO62) > > ___ > > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > > unsubscribe or set options at > > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lzyla%40suddenlink.net > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tower_music%40yahoo.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Solo in Beatles "For No One"
It must be real, after all I came from the Internet. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horn Solo in Beatles "For No One"
In Ree's Book on his return to the horn he writes about Alan Civil recording for the Beatles. In it he mentions a solo in "For No One" that went to play up to an "F." Certainly that's not top llne F. I wonder if they meant an octave higher than that, or concert F? Even concert F would have been well in Civil's ability. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Ifor James playing Neruda
Reading Han's answer below only serves to remind me how much I really don't know about our chosen instrument and music. It's humbling to say the least. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Prof.Hans Pizka Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 3:02 PM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: AW: [Hornlist] Ifor James playing Neruda Hey folks, you seem all not having any idea about these baroque époque & the horn pieces of that time, nor about the playing technique of that period. The high f3 written for the E-flat horn was a regular note for any "high horn player", just a normal peak note. And it was much easier reachable than on modern horns or modern descant or modern super-sopranino-sport-models. The 22nd harmonic note cannot be (useable) reached on the descant horn, yes the same pitch can be achieved, but would be just the 11th natural pitch on a descant-Eb. But the 22nd natural pitch OFD the descant horn cannot be achieved. So the highest note in the Neruda be the same as the high Eb in Webers concertino. It is a solo concerto for the real soloist & not for the "want-to-be-soloist-at-home". Punctum. It has to be said, if people out there critic one of the masters of our instrument. It does not matter regarding clean technique, if you use a high F, a high Eb or a high Bb-soprano. It is a brain thing, just brain gymnastic. It is horn players daily business (transposing, no matter what kind of noise making instrument you put at your lips !). That´s for the trumpeter asking about the Neruda piece. Surely, if the embouchure is excellent & light (according to soloist standards not the average tooter), you can play this piece on a modern single Bb, but it would sound much better (lighter) on a combined Bb-high F. If one critics Ifor, one has to remember, at what age he recorded this piece. It was in the later period of his life, when he suffered on the same illness, which killed him finally. It happen eventually, that I had one of the many of our long phone conversations just two days or one day before he left us forever. Anyhow, I keep his recordings as treasures, as they are full of great musicianship. And playing the Neruda be very hard ? Why ? It has to be played very light. I once recorded four of these kind baroque concertos within a three hour session for the Austrian Radio (two concertos by Knechtel, Foerster no.2 & Molter, all four going up to the stratospheres, with the limit of the written g3. But that is not for people, who struggle playing written g2 (F-horn notation) twice in a row, BUT PERFECT. === -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: horn-bounces+hans=pizka...@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+hans=pizka...@music.memphis.edu] Im Auftrag von Robson Adabo de Mello Gesendet: Samstag, 25. April 2009 20:32 An: The Horn List Betreff: Re: [Hornlist] Ifor James playing Neruda What did you find in your research? Did you find something else to listen? If it can be played on a Bb trumpet it also can be played on a Bb soprano horn, but could it be played on a regular high F descant horn (or maybe a high Eb descant horn) with clean articulation as he played? Robson 2009/4/25 > I did some more research (and some more listening) and what I think it has > to be is a valved Corno da Caccia - why? Because it's obviously a short > instrument, and second because the timbre is very close to a Flugelhorn to > my > ears. > > -William > **Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on > the > web. Get the Radio Toolbar! > (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown0003) > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/robson.adabo%40gmail.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Ifor James playing Neruda
Ignoring the urge to give a RFU opinion of a footballer. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Ralph Hall Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 4:02 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Ifor James playing Neruda Hornlisters, One of the reasons for Ifor's facility in the high tessitura is because he started out as a cornet player in British brass bands. It is also a reason for his technical ability. Hence, he was the dedicatee and first performer of the Edward Gregson concerto for French Horn and brass band, although not a great piece in my opinion. He was versatile in other fields - he was offered terms as a professional footballer. These skills I have seen him exhibit on any excuse, one such outside Brecon Cathedral with a ping pong ball just before rushing in to perform Strauss 1. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Beethoven 4, B-flat alto or basso?
Ever do the one about the 24 virgins leaving Inverness? -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Lawrence Yates Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 12:30 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Beethoven 4, B-flat alto or basso? Ah yes, an old one! I used to play for a folk group - one of their songs had the immortal line: "Oh the Queen she has ordered troops for the continent" which always brought the resonating cry from the audience - "What has she ordered for the incontinent". Another of their songs on the subject of a maiden who rescued her lover from the press gang, had the line "Out from her bosom she pulled his discharge" which invariably elicited from the audience a resounding, "Ugh!!!" Ah... happy days. Cheers, Lawrence -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Beethoven 4, B-flat alto or basso?
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that a good indicator of whether a Bb horn part (or a C horn part) was alto or basso was if there were trumpets also in the piece. A horn part in Bb alto would sound the same pitch as a Bb trumpet part, and it would be highly unlikely a composer of that era would have that combination. Bill --- On Sat, 4/18/09, Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre wrote: > From: Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre > Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Beethoven 4, B-flat alto or basso? > To: "The Horn List" > Date: Saturday, April 18, 2009, 7:57 PM > I have no strong knowledge of B4, but I downloaded the score > on inspiration of this thread. > > I assume old style bass clef notation for the horns. > > If the horns are in Bb alto they play the opening octave > with the bassoons. If they are in Bb basso the 1st horn > would play with the 2nd bassoon and the 2nd horn one octave > below. That would pose no problems in the relations with the > bassoons. > > The Bb basso notation however gives some interesting > harmonic relations with the lower strings during the > opening. Through the first 4 bars the 2nd horn is with or > below any of the low strings in intervals as close as a > major second and a minor third. > > Not until bar #5 do the double basses descend below the 2nd > horn and then only a major third. > > I cannot tell the Bb basso assumption wrong, but if I > compare the opening of B4 with my other other score reading > of music from that period, then I would find Bb alto more > likely. > > If somebody made a thorough reading of the B4 score in its > full extend, then it could be said if there are occurrences > in the horn parts as compared especially with the oboes and > the clarinets that make it impossible to assume a Bb alto > notation. I hardly will do this reading, but I certainly > would like to hear a performance with the horns reading Bb > alto. I might find B4 less dull then. > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Rare horn piece to be performed
Good think Dayton doesn't have a hundred year old symphony as well. Then it would be even more confusion. When I moved back to Dallas in the mid 1980s the Mayor and City Council were touting Dallas as a "world class city." Finally, one cynic among the city council members said, "do you know when you are a world class city? When you quit claiming you are one." -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of lewho...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 9:54 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Rare horn piece to be performed Bill, Not to start a pissing contest, but here in Michigan we think of the DSO as the nearly 100 year old World class Detroit Symphony Orchestra. Walt Lewis Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "Bill Gross" Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:56:52 To: ; 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Rare horn piece to be performed Dallas, of course. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of lewho...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 8:50 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Rare horn piece to be performed Would that be the Dallas Symphony or the Detroit Symphony? A number of years ago Karl Pituch gave tickets to "lurking" list member Bob Losin. He shared with me and John Kowalchuk. It was a very good performance. Walt Lewis Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: William Gross Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:10:51 To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Rare horn piece to be performed Well not sure how you categorize "rare." It was done, rather well IMHO, by the DSO last spring. On 4/17/09, Natasha Stehr wrote: > > Dear all, > Just thought you might be interested to hear about this concert coming up > in London, featuring Schumann's Konzertstück for four horns and orchestra: > > Romantic connections > Wednesday 20 May 2009, 7:00pm > Queen Elizabeth Hall > > Bennett The Naiades Overture, Op.15 > Schumann Konzertstück for four horns and orchestra, Op.86 > Mendelssohn Symphony No.3 in A minor, Scottish > > Robin Ticciati conductor > Horn soloists of the OAE > > TICKETS 0871 663 2597 > www.southbankcentre.co.uk/oae > > > Natasha Stehr > Marketing Officer > Orchestra of the Age of Enlightenment > Kings Place > 90 York Way > London > N1 9AG > 020 7239 9374 > www.oae.co.uk > >___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Rare horn piece to be performed
Dallas, of course. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of lewho...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 8:50 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Rare horn piece to be performed Would that be the Dallas Symphony or the Detroit Symphony? A number of years ago Karl Pituch gave tickets to "lurking" list member Bob Losin. He shared with me and John Kowalchuk. It was a very good performance. Walt Lewis Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: William Gross Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:10:51 To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Rare horn piece to be performed Well not sure how you categorize "rare." It was done, rather well IMHO, by the DSO last spring. On 4/17/09, Natasha Stehr wrote: > > Dear all, > Just thought you might be interested to hear about this concert coming up > in London, featuring Schumann's Konzertstück for four horns and orchestra: > > Romantic connections > Wednesday 20 May 2009, 7:00pm > Queen Elizabeth Hall > > Bennett The Naiades Overture, Op.15 > Schumann Konzertstück for four horns and orchestra, Op.86 > Mendelssohn Symphony No.3 in A minor, Scottish > > Robin Ticciati conductor > Horn soloists of the OAE > > TICKETS 0871 663 2597 > www.southbankcentre.co.uk/oae > > > Natasha Stehr > Marketing Officer > Orchestra of the Age of Enlightenment > Kings Place > 90 York Way > London > N1 9AG > 020 7239 9374 > www.oae.co.uk > >___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] TinyURL (WAS: update to recordings)
Lawrence, your website does beg the question did Ronald Yates ever meet up with another famous gunner, Spike Milligan? -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Lawrence Yates Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:31 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] TinyURL (WAS: update to recordings) Steve Freides wrote: "This way everyone knows what they're getting into, and they can always use > the > full link, by cutting and pasting if they need." Errmmm. Take a look at the evidence here: http://lawrenceyates.co.uk http://tinyurl.com/23xpfu Cheers, :-) Lawrence Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/william.s.gross%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Mpc description on ebay
--- On Wed, 4/15/09, Steve Freides wrote: > Yes, the French Horns have "9 tuning loops which allows > perfect tune." > Whatever else we might say, this person has a unique way > of > describing horns. One guesses that English is not their > first > language, no disrespect intended. > > -S- Ah ha ... that's why I'm having so many problems ... my horn has only 8 "tuning loops". Bill ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] (no subject)
--- On Thu, 4/9/09, nelson lawson wrote: > From: nelson lawson > Subject: [Hornlist] (no subject) > To: horn@music.memphis.edu > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 11:08 AM > I have not received any postings for 2 days. Is everything > okay? Yep. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Tunning Meter Recommendations
The fellow I study with suggested I try an exercise on a piece I was working on involving some octave jumps. He suggested I try the jumps on mouthpiece alone and use a tuning meter to as a way to gauge the work. That being said, the response time would be something that would suit the exercise outlined above. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of marksue...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 11:33 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Tunning Meter Recommendations What kind of response time do you want? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Tunning Meter Recommendations
When I took up the horn again I purchased a Korg digital tuning meter. It's no longer working. I would appreciate recommendations on a replacement with attention to response time. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Idle minds
Come now sir, you protest too much. The clues practically leapt from the page on the Anniversary of Sidd Fitch's debut in Sports Illustrated. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of William Botte Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 3:10 PM To: horn-requests Subject: [Hornlist] Idle minds An idle mind is the devil's workshop. Isn't about time that Kenny Betts got a real day job? Perhaps if he was gainfully employed we would be spared the April Fools Day pranks etc. Prof. G. must be appalled at his former student's gratuitous lack of dignity. Have a good day. Bill _ Rediscover HotmailR: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Sto rage1_042009___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/william.s.gross%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Finke horns (was Hornplayer.net survey)
I will second what Jerry, Loren and Dave has said. I have had my Finke Americus for one year, and have had no problems (so far) with the valves, linkages or anything else. In fact, in the process of cleaning it, I have had all the valves out at the same time, something I would have never, never, ever done with my old horn. Yes, the valves are fast, and require very little oil (Hetman's is recommended). However, all this neat, gee-whiz stuff is useless if the horn isn't fun to play, doesn't sound good, play in tune, etc... which it is and does. I can use a whole bunch more Bb side alternate fingerings , because they are in tune and sound darn near like the F side. Try one out at the next workshop. Bill, who instead of getting a BMW or a boat or a jet ski to quell his mid-life crisis, bought a new horn. --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Brass Arts Unlimited wrote: > I used to deal in Finke horns, so I'll make a couple > observations as to > popularity based solely on my experiences while selling > them: > > First, they did have problems with their old composite > rotors (more than 10 > years ago), and the negative experiences people had with > those dogged the > improved valve rotors. Those negative perceptions were > hard to overcome. > > Second, I noticed a quite distinct affinity between Holton > players and Finke > horns. Most of my Finke customers tended to be long-time > Holton players. I > have no idea what this means - it's just an > observation. > > Finally, I will note that if your Finke valves are working > properly, there > are no faster horn rotary valves on the planet. > > -- > Regards, > > Dave Weiner > Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] New Acoustical Testing of the Horn
Sid Fitch wasn't involved in this was he? -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of kendallbe...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 4:47 PM To: h...@yahoogroups.com; horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] New Acoustical Testing of the Horn Dear Hornlisters, I am very excited about the news I will convey to you here and now! Bruce Lawson and I have been working on this for some time and finally, today, made a major breakthrough in the acoustic analysis of the horn! Bruce has written new software, called SoundStill, that can analyze the sound at any point in the tubing of the instrument. Using our prototype "digital-microphonic input-output pickup," we can literally "make sound stand still" right on the computer screen! The program shows a clear graphic picture of what the tubing is doing to the sound at that particular moment that it travels past the selected point. Far beyond mere Fourier transform sound wave spectrum analysis, which only analyzes what we can hear, this actually shows the exact correlation between the diameter of the tubing, material of its construction, weight (thickness) of the material, hardness/softness of the material, acoustical parameters in relation to the length of tubing, relationships generated by different dynamic (decibel) levels and both acoustic and psycho-acoustic relationships between harmonics generated at any frequency relative to the nodal point being analyzed or, in the case of analyzing a non-nodal point, the acoustic-reference harmonic nearest to that point. For example, I played a third space C on both the F and B sides of a 300,000 series Elkhart Conn 28D with an original NY Giardinelli C8 mouthpiece. We sampled the sound at .0314159 increments throughout the length of the instrument. What we found was that the sound was drastically different for each sample. For instance, at .0314159" in the mouthpiece just past the embouchure, the sound "picture" was a vibrant blood red! At 3.14159" in the leadpipe (yellow brass w/nickel silver cap) the sound "picture" was a sort of desert taupe where at 12.56636" (yellow brass) the sound picture was a deep, Egyptian brown! Further down the pike in the nickel silver valve section, the picture was a brilliant Romanesque yellow! At 138.22996" (where my hand rests in the yellow brass bell flare) the picture was a cloudy, clammy gray on both sides of the horn! We had no idea that this old piece of junk had such colorful sounds and I can't wait to test a new horn! I will keep you appraised of further developments and any musical or non-musical findings that might surface. Thank you! Kendall **Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood0001) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/william.s.gross%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: Asleep at the Horn
I thought I saw the 4th horn try to stop its fall. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Anne Megenity Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:28 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Asleep at the Horn My reaction totally..no concern with the "sleepy" player whatsoever and no motion to grab the horn - which would have been my instinct, The music is importsnt,of course, but being of help would only have meant a few missed notes. - Original Message - From: "John Wunderlin" To: Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:20 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Asleep at the Horn > Nice section mates- they didn't even flinch when the horn hit the ground! >> date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:17:26 EDT >> from: kendallbe...@aol.com >> subject: [Hornlist] Asleep at the Horn >> >> _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx6N5lGlbZY&feature=email_ >> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx6N5lGlbZY&feature=email) >> > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/amegenity%40comcast.net > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Asleep at the Horn
Obviously influenced by Oz. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Lawrence Yates Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 3:51 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Asleep at the Horn "mates"? 2009/3/29 Leslie > > > The guy obviously has a drinking problem. By the reaction of his section > mates, it probably is an ongoing issue. I feel sorry for everyone. > > Leslie > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/yateslawrence%40googlemail.co m > -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/william.s.gross%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Digest, Vol 75, Issue 20
--- On Thu, 3/26/09, Joel Gilbert wrote: > I talked to my repairman over the weekend, and he and I > talked about how I > oil my horn. Basically I was over oiling the bearings of > the rotors, and in > doing so the oil was covering the sides of the rotors and > slowing everything > down. He suggested that I rise out my rotors with rubbing > alcohol and then > just reoil the sides of the rotors. After doing this, > everything has worked > significantly better. Instead of oiling the bearings > everyday, now I just > oil the bearing when either they start making noise or once > a week. Maybe something better would be 91% isopropyl alcohol, found in any drug store. Someone told me there might be undesirable additives in some kinds of rubbing alcohol. Bill ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: Carlos Chavez, "Sinfonia India"
The impression we got from our conductor was "Sinfonia India" was a very popular number. It was to symphonic music what Zacatecas is to march music. Thanks for the background information. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Droescher/Eitzen Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:47 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Carlos Chavez, "Sinfonia India" My fellow Northern Colorado alumnus Sarah Hogan has given all the information needed about the the Chavez piece Sinfonia India. If the orchestration seems a little odd, well, Chavez was not much of a composer. He was the only Mexican composer that I had ever heard of during my studies, but arriving in Mexico I was surprised to learn that his music is almost never played in Mexico, basically because it sucks. Revueltas is Mexico's real gift to classical music. Chavez showed talent in his youth but ended up as a burocrat in the national government and never wrote anything worthwhile again. (No doubt he made lots of money.) His international reputation comes from his relationships with people like Aaron Copeland. Copeland liked to visit Mexico City, and Chavez would take him out on the town, inspiring pieces like Copeland's Salon Mexico. A few years ago, the Polish composer Krzysztof Penderecki conducted one of our programs that included one of his own pieces. A Polish basoon player in our orchestra made fun of him. "He is just a burocrat," he said. "He's the Carlos Chavez of Poland." Keith Eitzen Orquesta Sinfonica de Xalapa, Mexico Horn Instructor, Universidad Veracruzana ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/william.s.gross%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Carlos Chavez, "Sinfonia India"
Sara, I think that nails it. Bill -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Sarah Hogan Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 1:52 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Carlos Chavez, "Sinfonia India" Hi, Bill -- Very familiar with this piece... The strange thing in this piece is that the only thing that all 4 horns are marked to play is a unison muted passage in the middle. Passages indicated by "I" are first horn only -- like the very beginning of the piece, and the solo which is, I think, on the second page (begins with forte written Gs atop the staff). Other parts of the piece can be doubled to give people more stuff to do...but most of the piece is marked for 1st and 2nd horn only. Hope this helps: Sarah Hogan 2nd Horn State of Mexico Symphony Orchestra On Mar 21, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Bill Gross wrote: > Any one familiar with this piece? The parts are all marked "Horn 1, > 2, 3, > 4" at the top. There are some passages that indicate "I" which we are > pretty sure means First Horn. > > What was the intended break down of who plays what? > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/pax25horn%40aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Carlos Chavez, "Sinfonia India"
Any one familiar with this piece? The parts are all marked "Horn 1, 2, 3, 4" at the top. There are some passages that indicate "I" which we are pretty sure means First Horn. What was the intended break down of who plays what? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Telemann Concerto for 3 horns
I may be stuck in the 20th century but I'm not sure that is help to someone in the UK. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of nlaws2...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:07 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Telemann Concerto for 3 horns I bought my copy 2 years years ago from Volkwein Music in Pittsburgh Nelson R. Lawson French Horn performer, clinician, Music education consultant - Original Message - From: "Lawrence Yates" To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Monday, March 9, 2009 6:04:25 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Hornlist] Telemann Concerto for 3 horns Sorry, I forgot to change the subject line. A friend of mine is looking for the horn and orchestral parts to the Telemann Concerto for three horns. Does anyone have any idea where he could find them (we are in the UK). Cheers, Lawrence -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/nlaws2001%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/william.s.gross%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Leadpipe Advice
A big thank you to all who have offer advice suggestions, words of encouragement in the quest. I have had some most thoughtful help, some of it based on the physics of the horn, some on experience. It has been a real learning experience. What is really humbling is to realize that Leitgeb premiered all the Mozart concertos on a valve less horn, and with a mouthpiece made of curved sheet metal. This was true not only for Leitgeb, but for horn players in Beethoven's time as well. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] RE: Horn Digest, Vol 75, Issue 4
-Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Haflich Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:13 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] RE: Horn Digest, Vol 75, Issue 4 Steve wrote: [. . .] Plastic wrap, on the other hand, has many important uses, most others involving food rather than horns. ___ Unlike duct tape which has many important uses other than sealing ducts. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: Mason Jones
After a trip to the sub-basement of Jack Benny's vault I found a LP of the Schoenberg Quintet for Wind Instruments op 26. That is the only work on the LP with movements 1 & 2 on side ONE and movements # & 4 on side TWO. No other work is on the LP. The LP is a Columbia Masterworks ML 5172. Kincaid - Flutist De Lancie - Oboist Giglotti - Clarinetist Schoenbach - Bassoonist Jones - French Horn Player -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Daniel B. Hrdy Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 6:11 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Mason Jones I have the Boston Records 4 CD set, which are re-issues of Columbia recordings. They do not include the Schoenberg etc. I don't know if those will ever be re-issued, so you might have to keep on looking. Dan date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 01:59:05 -0800 from: "Robert Dickow" subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: Mason Jones Dan, I'm still looking for the Columbia Records recording of the Philly Quintet with Mason of course, playing the Schoenberg on side 1 and the Ornette Coleman Quintet (!!) on the other. Seems to be a hard one to find, because I sure can't. Bob Dickow Lionel Hampton School of Music University of Idaho -Original Message- Coincidentally, I have just finished listening to all the "Original Philadelphia Woodwind Quintet" recordings with Mason Jones. What a player. So delicate, with perfect ensemble playing. And I hear he was pretty good orchesterally too. > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] RE: Horn Digest, Vol 74, Issue 27
Wandering further afield. My favorite ACORN story comes from a friend who for many years worked in the Dallas Office of Emergency Management. He said that in the mid 1980s a crew from ACORN arrived at their offices with TV Cameras in tow demanding to know why the city was spending money building Fallout Shelters instead of some other social program. The Emergency Management Coordinator for the City told the group, "we don't spend any money building them. We just work with building owners willing to offer space at no charge to us." A little old lady in the back of the crowd then piped up and ask her fellow ACORNITEs, "then what the hell are we doing here?" -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Leslie Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:16 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] RE: Horn Digest, Vol 74, Issue 27 Re: NEA and Economic stimulus Scott wrote: "I do not know anything about marsh mice or Acorn..." in response to a comment by a nationally syndicated columnist who wrote: "Will someone please tell me how millions of dollars to protect the habitat= of a marsh mouse in San Francisco or millions for the National Endowment for the Arts=2C or billions for the ACORN neighborhood organizing groups is going to stimulate the economy?" Sorry to go off topic, but I DO know about ACORN and they are NOT getting billions out of the stimulus bill. ACORN community organizers get paid EVEN LESS than musicians do for many more hours of work. It is annoying for me to see lies from right wing media make their insidious way onto the horn list... Whew. I feel better now. (Would you be surprised to know I just got back from a rehearsal for Man of LaMancha) Leslie ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/william.s.gross%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: Elkhart 8D
Boy you and Bumgart really must have your hot buttons punched with this one. Shesh. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Steven Mumford Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:27 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Elkhart 8D I'm just curious, if you trade your shiny Eastlake 8D for a beat up Elkhart one with leaky valves, you'll have a horn that's not playable. What will you play on? - Steve Mumford ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] When Things Go Bad
Last night I was practicing and nothing went right. I did some warm ups and started to work Strauss Nocturo. Stuff that has been easy a couple days ago just didn't work. I kept missing simple intervals, the short run about ¼ into the piece fall apart. I quit. I'm wonder if it was just a bad night or something else. A simple experiment might answer the question, try again to night, but in the mean time I figured I'd solicit information from the list. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] White House Marine Orchestra limitations
Other than almost any thing pops up as fair game from time to time, you have a good point. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Jerry Houston Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 1:27 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] White House Marine Orchestra limitations On Sunday 08 February 2009 11:19:01 Bill Gross wrote: > I guess the only thing to do is to wait until a member of that body, who is > also a member of this list responds. Or, failing that, until someone can tell us why it's an issue worthy of such argument. Here, I mean. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] White House Marine Orchestra limitations
I guess the only thing to do is to wait until a member of that body, who is also a member of this list responds. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Bear Woodson Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 1:11 PM To: Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] White House Marine Orchestra limitations > message: 5 > date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 14:35:30 -0600 > from: "Bill Gross" > subject: RE: [Hornlist] White House Marine Band > > I can only speak for myself in this. You have taken > a shot at them. I strongly disagree. Please remember a few facts: 1) It was THEIR Conductor and one of THEIR Violinists, who told me, what they CAN'T play, BEFORE ever Trying to do it. (This sounds to me that THEY have taken a shot at branding All Marines as Quitters, which all Combat-Trained Marines are taught NEVER to do. THEY took the shot, I merely reported the fact, and you blamed me, the messenger, for the message. That is also not very Marine of you.) 2) The ex-combat Marines that I know say, "Can't means Won't". They feel that the White House Musicians have "rung the bell" (or "quit", as Navy Seals would say) before even trying, and therefore have brought Shame upon the name of all Marines. (Marines don't have a "quitting bell" to ring.) If they didn't want to play my music, they should have just said so. That would have been more honorable, but they didn't; instead THEY said that they are INCAPABLE of playing such Contrapuntal music. > They aren't in a position to respond. It's a one sided > thing. We just have your version I disagree again. Whereas THEY have Admitted to being INcapable of playing Bartók-styled canons, I'd love to hear them play some of the more Consonant 20th Century Favorites like the Hindemith "Mathis der Maler" or the Shostakovich 10th Symphony. (The Shostakovich 10th is practically a Concerto for Orchestra, with impressive Solos for nearly every Wind Player and the Horn Section! If you ever get a chance to play it, DO IT! You might end up loving it!) Are there records anywhere that the White House Marine Orchestra has EVER played Famous, Difficult, Mature Masterworks of 20th Century Classical Music with These Kinds of Rhythmic Complexities? Or are they only able to master the High IQ profundities and 19th Century Tonality of John Philip Sousa oom-pah marches and Johann Strauss waltzes, as they seem to imply? The records of their Performances should speak for themselves, so this is NOT a "one sided thing". If they were a High School Orchestra, this would be OK, but these people are SUPPOSED to represent some- thing Culturally IMPRESSIVE among US Citizens to Visiting International Dignitaries! As one Marine friend said, "if they are supposed to be the Elite of the Elite, they are supposed to be able to play anything". But by their own admission, they fall short of standards that I have seen Routinely Exceeded by Classically Trained Musicians from all around the world! Combat-trained Marines use the word "can't" very rarely and literally. (For example: a Marine can't go out dancing with his wife on his biological feet, if his biological feet were blown off by a bomb in wartime.) It is very UN-Marine-like behavior of you, or anyone, to defend the behavior of people who say they "can't" do something, if it can be shown to be due to mere laziness. Meanwhile, I'm still wondering of the talking dog from the baked beans commercial can master a good enough embouchure to play the Horn well. (Maybe he can play in the Shostakovich 10th with a high school orchestra.) Bear Woodson Home: 520 - 881 - 2558 "Bear Woodson" ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Sansone design
In which we again see a demonstration of the disconnect between the Horn List server and Han's e-mail client. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of hans.pi...@t-online.de Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 8:36 AM To: Leonard & Peggy Brown; The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Sansone design ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] White House Marine Band
I can only speak for myself in this. You have taken a shot at them. They aren't in a position to respond. It's a one sided thing. We just have your version -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Bear Woodson Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 12:22 PM To: Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] White House Marine Band > message: 5 > date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:36:04 -0600 > from: William Gross > subject: Re: [Hornlist] In-Dog-uration > > Yes, but how much is there in the repitoire of Bartok, > Starvinski et. al for Military Band? > > If that catalog were extensive you might stand on > firmer ground. Before I had direct dealings with the White House Marine Band, I thought they were limited to only having Brass Band and Percussion Instruments for outdoor performances. That stopped being true long ago, I think since the early 20th Century. They have a Pool of about 120 security-checked string, wind, percussion, harp, and keyboard players, so that they can accommodate any classical symphonic work. (I was told that they play a number of works for Baroque Orchestra, using Chamber String Players and Harpsichord.) For works requiring a much larger orchestra, they have an Extended Pool of security-checked musicians. In the Summer of 2007, some members of the White House Marine Band were considering premiering my Oboe Concerto. I had sent them the completed First Movement in Orchestral C Score and Piano Reduction, but their conductor balked when he saw a Bartók-styled canonic phrase in the First and Second Violins and Viole, in a passage for the Tutti without the Solo Oboe. (That their conductor would chicken-out at that particular Canon surprised me, as that passage was EASY compared to the Canons and Fugues that show up later in the First Move- ment. They never even saw the slow Second Movement which is a Huge Triple Fugue, that turns the Three Fugue Subjects in Inversion, and later in Retrograde, and also later in Retrograde- Inversion, and ALL are in lovely Chromatic Modal Harmony! I think that I, and my music, been Banned from the White House permanently, even though I passed all of their security requirements.) The last time I checked Bartók died over 60 years ago, there- fore in my opinion ALL of Bartók's Performance Techniques SHOULD be Common Knowledge to ALL "Professional" Musicians by now. However as a Music Theorist, I am PAINFULLY aware that Most 20th Century American Popular Music (popular songs, musicals, etc.) are limited to: a) one Key Signature, b) Pre-1860-Tonal Harmony, c) 4/4 Meter, and d) too often only 5 chords OR LESS! I have been on many Musical Instrument Discussion Lists in the last decade, but too often, I am either the only one, or one of a very few, who finds these Limited Performance Levels, common to many 'professional' Musical Orchestra Players, to be Embarrassingly UNprofessional and downright Childish, in some cases. I grew up in a family where my grandfathers and father were all Officers in the US Navy for over 20 years, each. I have always had great respect for Marines, and have close friends who were Marines in Viet Nam. But those same Marines were insulted and ashamed that these poorly-trained White House weenies should Dare call themselves "Marines", who quit before even trying! I share the disappointment by Real Marines, to whom I say, "Semper Fi"! I think we all stand a better chance, of hearing the future Presidential Puppy playing Horn with a good Embouchure, than we do of ever hearing Yo-Yo Ma play the Cello Version of the Bartók Viola Concerto accompanied by the White House Marine Orchestra. Bear Woodson Home: 520 - 881 - 2558 "Bear Woodson" ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: Why is shortest valve slide in the middle?
And this answers for me why the F side is mounted on top of the B flat side. I always thought it should be the other way with the shorter slides on top, but it's now clear from the information y'all have provided the F slides on the bottom wouldn't clear the bell, specially the 3rd valve slide. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 6:51 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Why is shortest valve slide in the middle? To me the distribution of slide lengths mostly is a matter of architecture. With rotor intruments the longer loops (1st and 3rd) get more space to bend away from the center, where the semitone slide often is too short to bend. I have seen photos of rotor flugelhorns, alto horns, and tubas with the semitone in the first slide loop. To mee these instruments look odd. As I remember it, they all came out of an older tradition in Southern Bavaria, so they had some consistence to them. I never saw a piston trumpet/cornet with the whole step in the 2nd loop. One repairman told that already the short 2nd loop is so exposed on trumpets, that one of the most common damages is that this 2nd slide gets hit so hard that the roundness of the piston casing is distorted. However experienced repairmen can bend the knuckles and slide back in place only using their hands. One poster here said that he could not imagine trilling as fast with the index as with the middle finger. I believe his experience being honest, but I also believe it being coupled to another fact: on all brasses it is so much easier to valve trill a semitone than to valve trill a whole step, which many horn players prefer to play as lip trills wherever possible anyway. Klaus --- On Sat, 2/7/09, Simon Varnam wrote: > From: Simon Varnam > Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Why is shortest valve slide in the middle? > To: horn@music.memphis.edu > Date: Saturday, February 7, 2009, 12:45 PM > Sorry about the delayed reaction: I received some private > responses (Thank you!) and missed those which came only to > the list until they reached me in the digest. > > m(_ _)m > > > from: "hans.pi...@t-online.de" > > > subject: Re: [Hornlist] Why is shortest valve slide > inthe middle? > > > Simon, there are some examples of single or two-valved > horns preserved. > > But just a few, as few have been built before the > three-valved-horn came > > into existence. > So, the period of use was very short, which means the order > of the valves did not really "evolve" in the horn. > I suspect this order must have arisen before its adoption > in the horn. But that doesn't yet explain why this order > has been chosen. Is it really due simply to the order of > adoption : tone, semitone, 3-semitone, plus the inertia of > the imported tradition? Isn't the practicality of having > the shortest slide between the other two the major factor? > > > The third slide, by the way, touches the bell only on > poorly designed > > horns. > This was only a hypothetical case: "would". > The comment concerned double horns. Someone else suggested > that the F slides should be on the "outside" and I > was trying to explain why they weren't: if the F slides > were put on the "inside" they would need to be > further out than the present position of Bb slides, which > would put the outside Bb slides even further from the > central plane of the instrument. Very bulky. > Of course they wouldn't actually build one where the > slides touched the bell or they couldn't be removed. > > > > If your friends in Japan would think more > "natural-horn-wise", they > > would understand. But they are not alone. They are in > the same community > > of "fingering-thinking-only" players. > > Yes I agree completely, but you can't completely blame > the players, as it's a result of the system which put > them there. As you (Hans) have certainly seen, many > (amateurs) use only the Bb side of their expensive doubles > and finger their arpeggios..etc. Wind bands are found in > almost every junior and senior high school while orchestras > are very rare. > This is a result of the education system which breaks up > secondary education into 2 levels : junior and senior high > school for 3 years each, which isn't long enough to > learn much, (even more so for strings) especially > considering that 3rd year students drop out to prepare for > the next stage of their education which requires the passing > of entrance exams. It makes the "proper" learning > of instruments difficult and many shortcuts are used to > squeeze out results for the unavoidable > "concours". There are students who can only read > their parts because they have written in the names of the > notes and often fingerings as well. Their teachers are their > regular school music teachers and private lessons are not > the norm. It's a nightmare. But the k
RE: [Hornlist] re: Pizka and Hypochondriacs
Side bar on this - In the period immediately following 11 Sept 01 lots of people wanted emergency alters to be sent by e-mail. The people that understood the e-mail and how it works advised against it. They advised once e-mail leaves your computer knows one really knows how long it will take to get somewhere. It can be around the world in seconds but take 12 hours to reach someone next door. Bill Gross -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of hans.pi...@t-online.de Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:14 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] re: Pizka and Hypochondriacs Gratulation, Ross, to your comment to one of my letters from several months ago. It must have cost you many sleepless nights, perhaps (just an unqualified assumption by myself). And it is just a confirmation of my assumptions, that you - not you only - address things as insults as soon as the things are addressed by their "names" right on the nail. It is also a confirmation, that amateurs & professionals (what is your source of the 1 to 40 ratio ? do you think your area is representative for the musical world as a whole ?) as well look for excuses of certain playing inabilities, which could be cured by changing a personal habit or more, instead of changing e.g. fingerings, postures, lip technique, selection of repertory etc. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [hornlist]Inauguration picture
One need only look to the "From" line to determine the source of the message. It is included right underneath your signature. The USMC Band "President's Own" is the only service band that does not require its members to complete Basic Individual Training and each services equivalent of Advanced Individual Training if my information is still current. The new members of the "President's Own" attend a two week "orientation course." I believe that that they are not really constituted under the USMC end strength but are raised under special category by Congressional action. Now for Walt, who may have missed the "FROM:" line on this message. Bill Gross -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Walter Lewis Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 5:56 AM To: The Horn List Subject: RE: [hornlist]Inauguration picture Don't go taking potshots at the Corps, now boys. Some of us on this list are Marine families. I proudly say that my son served his hitch in the Corps (during 9-11 was on duty). That was the "President's Own" Marine Corps Band playing. My son told me that they are the only "Marines" that do not have to go through either the Parris Island or San Diego recruit training facilities, and regular Corps members really do not consider them to be Marines for that fact. Proudly signing his post (unlike others on this list who flame others and don't have the guts to sign their name). Walt Lewis --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Bill Gross wrote: From: Bill Gross Subject: RE: [hornlist]Inauguration picture To: "'The Horn List'" Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 9:30 PM Standard Marine Corps policy, for every two riflemen there are two rooting and two taking pictures. Those might be the "rooters" for the band. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Simon Varnam Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 7:38 PM To: Leonard & Peggy Brown Cc: horn list memphis Subject: Re: [hornlist]Inauguration picture Incredible!! You can almost read their parts! I'm curious about the three people to the left (as viewed) of the horns, who have no instruments. Surely it doesn't take three to operate a fire extinguisher. :-) Simon On 2009/02/06, at 10:21, Leonard & Peggy Brown wrote: > > - Original Message - From: "Simon Varnam" > > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 6:25 PM > Subject: Re:[hornlist] > > >> I'm afraid the picture didn't get through the system. :-( >> If it's online could you tell us the URL, please? >> >> Thanks >> Simon >> >>> message: 4 >>> date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 19:30:36 -0600 >>> from: "Leonard & Peggy Brown" >>> subject: [Hornlist] inauguration day >>> >>> Here is a really nice picture of the inauguratoin a few weeks >>> ago. The neat >>> thing is that you can zoom in for great detail. Forget about the >>> people on >>> stage, there is the Marine Corp. horn section in full cold glory >>> right under >>> Mr. Obama. >>> (That is the USMC band isn't it?) >>> >>> Mark Q, your still in the band? >>> >>> LLB > > Simon, > Other than the fact I didn't include the address I can't understand > why you can't see the picture. Thanks for your note. Oh, it is the > USMC band I can see the globe and anchor on their covers. > > http://gigapan.org/viewGigapanFullscreen.php?auth=033ef14483ee899496648c2b4b 06233c > > LLB ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [hornlist]Inauguration picture
Standard Marine Corps policy, for every two riflemen there are two rooting and two taking pictures. Those might be the "rooters" for the band. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Simon Varnam Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 7:38 PM To: Leonard & Peggy Brown Cc: horn list memphis Subject: Re: [hornlist]Inauguration picture Incredible!! You can almost read their parts! I'm curious about the three people to the left (as viewed) of the horns, who have no instruments. Surely it doesn't take three to operate a fire extinguisher. :-) Simon On 2009/02/06, at 10:21, Leonard & Peggy Brown wrote: > > - Original Message - From: "Simon Varnam" > > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 6:25 PM > Subject: Re:[hornlist] > > >> I'm afraid the picture didn't get through the system. :-( >> If it's online could you tell us the URL, please? >> >> Thanks >> Simon >> >>> message: 4 >>> date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 19:30:36 -0600 >>> from: "Leonard & Peggy Brown" >>> subject: [Hornlist] inauguration day >>> >>> Here is a really nice picture of the inauguratoin a few weeks >>> ago. The neat >>> thing is that you can zoom in for great detail. Forget about the >>> people on >>> stage, there is the Marine Corp. horn section in full cold glory >>> right under >>> Mr. Obama. >>> (That is the USMC band isn't it?) >>> >>> Mark Q, your still in the band? >>> >>> LLB > > Simon, > Other than the fact I didn't include the address I can't understand > why you can't see the picture. Thanks for your note. Oh, it is the > USMC band I can see the globe and anchor on their covers. > > http://gigapan.org/viewGigapanFullscreen.php?auth=033ef14483ee899496648c2b4b 06233c > > LLB ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] "Dent" bags
Shouldn't initial testing be done on Alto S*x*ph*n*s? -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of lewho...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 8:32 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] "Dent" bags The burning question is: Now days, how many Mellophones would the average High schooler destroy (not a bad thing, in my opinion) carrying out the research? Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: James Maddrey Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: List Horn ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] "Dent" bags Sent: Feb 1, 2009 8:39 PM I once read about a science teacher assigning a problem to his class. The problem was to design a case or package to have a hen egg dropped from third story window to the side walk below without damage to the egg. Two students solved the problem. Perhaps instead off getting an engineer to do the job, give the job to high school students to protect the horn. Just a thought. youngjim ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: "dent" bags
On foot, in the snow, five miles, up hill both ways (sorry I couldn't help myself.) -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Steven Mumford Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 7:04 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Re: "dent" bags I can say, as a repairman, that the Bonna type hard dent bags have been very good for business too. Now, seriously. What's up with younger horn players? You have to carry it? W! I've got more mileage on my hard case than I care to think about. I've logged some serious mileage with it strapped to my bike too. Obviously I have the strength and good looks of ten normal men, but still, buck up fellas! My teacher, Harry Berv once told me about how he and his two older brothers, (they eventually wound up playing 1st,2nd,3rd horn in Toscannini's NBC Symphony), all had to share the same single F horn when they were in school. Since Harry was the youngest, they made him carry it home from school! - Steve Mumford ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] "Dent" bags
No that's innovation. Though I can imagine the wowsers of the world up in arms over it. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of jerryol...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 3:58 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] "Dent" bags In a message dated 2/1/2009 3:09:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, william.s.gr...@gmail.com writes: Comments guys and gals have tossed out in the design of a better horn case. 1) Wheels 2) Integral garment bag. 3) Integral beer cooler. **Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help you improve your credit score. (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall0002) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] "Dent" bags
Comments guys and gals have tossed out in the design of a better horn case. 1) Wheels 2) Integral garment bag. I know some folks are working on some aspects. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] "Dent" bags
I imagine the repairmen in the group are reading some of this and thinking you can pay me now (buy a better case) or pay later, and later and later and later (if you stick with a gig bag). ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Notations on sheet music
The comments added by editors to sheet music are sometimes useful sometimes, amusing and sometimes you wonder why they wrote that. We just finished a program that included Ashokan Farewell (from the PBS Series on the War of Northern Aggression). At the end of a repeated 32 measure of rests there is a note, "2nd time to next strain" above the repeat sign. The most unusual is from Delius' In A Summer Garden, "poco rit, more respectfully muted" then a little later, "take of mutes." ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Vinyl to CD
Anyone else interested in converting Vinyl and tape to CD's, I found the information I had also on the World Wide Web, its url is http://download.windowssecrets.com/ebooks/ConvertVinyltoCD.pdf ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Recording technique --somewhat HR
See e-mail sent to Richard V. West [hornfe...@comcast.net] It's a pdf file on how to accomplish transference to computer. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Richard V. West Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:45 PM To: h...@yahoogroups.com; The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Recording technique --somewhat HR Apologies for this double posting. I recently unearthed a cache of old vinyl and acetate LPs of horn records and performances, some in which I participated. I would like to transfer them to my computer, ultimately putting some of the selections on CDs for my personal use. I vaguely remember that on one of the lists someone described a method of hooking up the phono turntable to the computer through the amplifier (tape out? phono out?) via a line to the microphone input of the computer. I now have a reconditioned turntable, a good stereo amplifier, a line with two RCA plugs at one end and a small stereo computer plug at the other, and have downloaded Audacity onto my computer. If someone could point me in the right direction in hooking all this up or correct me if I'm totally off track (a not uncommon occurrence), I'd be grateful. From the bottom of the learning curve, I am Richard in Seattle ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] John Williams Inauguration Music
Come sir, you are poaching on Cabbage's turf. I expect you will either 1) be visited by his BA or 2) his solicitor. Worst case it will be Vinnie and Guido. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Alexander Guziel Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 6:25 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] John Williams Inauguration Music I was hoping for 4' 33" On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 11:07 AM, William Gross wrote: > Anyone else disappointed in the John Williams piece? I was hoping for > something scored for violin, cello, piano, clarinet and 12 horns. > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/drcrawfish%40gmail.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Donato
Joyce Thank you for working in public education. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Joyce Rainwalker Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 2:08 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Donato Larry, Wendell, Valerie, Hans, et al: One of the reasons I enjoy plowing through the horn lists so much is the variety of opinion. We have a talent for discussing the minutia of mouthpiece, horn make, who sat in the horn section on the third recording of XXX in Sheboygan in 1936, transposition, horn teachers, (stop me!) and other topics like no other group on the planet. Add to that the wide variations in age, locale, and personality, and we have a recipe for a fascinating stone (horn) soup. When I assess video or audio offerings from the lists, PART of the lens I use is made up of my age (55), gender, (f), locale (WA by way of CO and NM), horn experience level (back to performance level after many years of not working at it since a stint at NMSU as an applied horn major in the 70's), and current job (elementary art teacher - recovering elementary principal.) I can understand several of the reactions to Donato's clips but layer on my own free associations when I watch. Here's a hint: (just spewed without correct grammar because free association doesn't lend itself well to such...) Volume down too loud, tiny room, no editing or he wouldn't include the camera flips at the beginning, (intentional? For what reason?), full walls, wonder if prizes or collections, rigidly linear display, body language has side or back to camera much of the time, volume manipulation?, discordant, wonder if housemates/neighbors have trouble with volume, oops - Mom/Auntie invading sanctuary, jumping up and down?, bluegrass and Celtic fiddles do that and it's cooler, somehow, doesn't add to horn sound, flashback to marching season in HS (brrr), serious need for attention, Judy Miller Show similar, but Gilda framed show as if she were 9 or 10 so it was endearing, somehow, mental illness? I'll stop because my brain-flits aren't interesting to anyone but me, but my point is that my own history informs my reaction to his clips. I also have had the privilege of playing with Valerie while Wendell conducted AND laughing until my sides hurt at IHS in Denver when the Professor taught me everything I needed to know about the fine art of Clamology. It's a big, wide world, and I'm glad that youtube offers me a look at Brain, beginning horns at their first recitals and everything in between. I'm *thrilled* that we really don't need a consensus on any of it. Joyce > message: 8 > date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 00:37:41 -0800 (PST) > from: Larry Jellison > subject: [Hornlist] Re: Donato > > Wendell wrote: > "OK, I hate being this negative so I am going to stop. But the reason > I wrote this is because i hear a lot of playing that is headed in > this direction. This is the stuff the demo tables at a horn workshop > is made of. Just bad, insensitive notes. Ugly. Two thumbs down. > > Those of you who saw The Professor this summer in Denver saw some > great "fooling around" and being facetious, etc. This is what the > joke was all about." > _ > > I share Valerie's view that many things can appear humorous, and I disagree with Wendell's last sentence that implies that humor occurs only when it is meant to be humor. Some of the best humor is the unintended kind. I also see the kind of horn playing mentioned by Wendell that is, "Just bad, insensitive...", yes I hear it all the time, and it is usually by amateur hornists who have far less technical ability than Donato. This "insensitivity" occurs in the thousands of youth and amateur adult ensembles across out great nation (U.S., that is). We can applaud Professors Pizka and Rider for expressing heartfelt convictions for the need for aesthetic expression. For others like Valerie to see humor in situations is also a valid reference (Palineze sentence structure). Take a look at this video, and see if you don't get a light hearted reaction. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaLRYjaNSyw&feature=channel_page > > Best regards, > Larry > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] (no subject)
Nope, no jocks in the outfit, it the Horn Sections of the Dallas and Houston symphonies. As I recall they recorded the music on a long weekend. So, unlike the other groups in question, they don't work together as a team on a regular basis. They just got together one time for the recording. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+william.s.gross=gmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Richard V. West Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 2:34 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] (no subject) Would these be the famed Texas Longhorns, perhaps? Richard in Seattle Bill Gross wrote: > I have just gotten a copy of Texas Horns. The ensemble sounds great, I > think the selection of music was un-inspired. In doing a comparison if they > play different stuff it's hard to say. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/william.s.gross%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] (no subject)
I have just gotten a copy of Texas Horns. The ensemble sounds great, I think the selection of music was un-inspired. In doing a comparison if they play different stuff it's hard to say. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of lewho...@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:33 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] (no subject) I have the London Horns and was given a copy of Vienna Horns. In my opinion, they both are virtuoso performances! I can't comment on the Texas Horns, as I've heard it. Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: Anne Megenity Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: The Horn List ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] (no subject) Sent: Jan 6, 2009 6:01 PM For the Poll : Not familiar with the Texas Horns, but my choice would be The London Horns. Magnificent. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Vienna Phil
This just hit my in box. From ArkivMusic New Year's Concert 2009 / Barenboim, Vienna Philharmonic The New Year's Concert in Vienna has been a glorious tradition for over six decades and a best-selling classical event year after year. Recorded live on January 1st by Decca, the 2009 concert CD will be available exclusively at ArkivMusic on January 13th. Pre-order your copy now! -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Tim Van Gijsegem Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 9:11 PM To: hans.pi...@t-online.de; The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Vienna Phil Tomböck played wonderfully throughout the concert in my opinion. The F-high F was very fitting for the Haydn, at least for him. He made it sound effortless (incredibly clean), but still with a warm, full, horn sound. Also, I noticed Roland Janezic sitting in one of the front rows in the audience, enjoying the concert. Daniel Barenboim did a very good job when looking at the complete picture, it was one of the most enjoyable concerts I've watched, at least for me as the 'audience'. Except of course, in 2006 when the Vienna Horns were showcased in the intermission. --- hans.pi...@t-online.de wrote: From: "hans.pi...@t-online.de" To: "The Horn List" Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Vienna Phil Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:16:11 +0100 YEs. my source in Vienna confirmed that he used the Paxman f-high F. The other hornplayers were: Lars Michael Stransky, as assistant, sitting left from Tomboeck (from viewer perspective), Jancovic on 2nd (sitting right from Tomboeck, from our view), second row: left: Thomas Joebstl playing 3rd & right: Manuel Huber on 4rth. All horns sound as terrific as the whole orchestra. I have the impression, Barenboim has still kept his beautiful naive romantic musicianship as a very young man. Rare & wonderful. There is no orchestra in the world with a similar warm, velvet & rich & light sound the same time. -Original Message- Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 20:18:30 +0100 Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Vienna Phil From: pmji...@aol.com To: horn@music.memphis.edu From the glimpse I got from the broadcast, it looked like Tomboeck was playing a Paxman. I have a DVD of the Mozart little G-minor Symphony on which he and Roland Berger play the Paxman F/ high F doubles. I love hearing Tomboeck, he has such a terrific sound.. Pete Jilka Kansas City, MO -Original Message- From: Paul Rincon To: hans.pi...@t-online.de ; The Horn List Sent: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 8:52 am Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Vienna Phil It seemed as though Tomböck was using a shorter crook for the Haydn "Farewell". If I remember correctly, it had one little turn on it. Maybe an A crook? Probably the best playing of that solo that I've ever heard. The 2nd horn (don't know who it was) sounded amazing as well. Paul On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 2:36 AM, hans.pi...@t-online.de < hans.pi...@t-online.de> wrote: > After Herbert von Karajan conducted the 1988 New Year´s Concert, Daniel > Barenboim conducted a wonderful romantic concert. The Vienna Phil sounded > incredibly sweet, velvet & light this year. And Wolfgang Tomböck . and > his colleagues . not only the single F Horns, but also the players . > there is no better adjectiv than IDEAL. > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/parsifal560sec%40gmail.com > ___ post: h...@mu sic.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/pmjilka%40aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/tim_vg%40techemail.com _ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Mouthpiece problem - the Day after
Not to mention consorting with Alto Saxophones. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of yateslawre...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 10:04 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Mouthpiece problem - the Day after It's probably thieving or taking drugs or playing Johann Strauss. lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Mouthpiece problem - the Day after
New PSA (Public Service Announcement): It's 10 AM, do you know where your horn is? -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of yateslawre...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 9:49 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Mouthpiece problem - the Day after Hi Luke, Happy New Year - I hope your head is feeling better than mine is! (and I still don't know where my horn is!) Cheers, Lawrence lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Mouthpiece problem
If you are studying privately with someone, a good place to start is with that person. Other folks will certainly have other valid suggestions. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Scriva Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 5:49 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Mouthpiece problem Dear list, It seems that i've just run into a problem. I recently got a new Conn 8DS (screw bell). Im in highschool and ive wanted it for a while, so i was very happy. I also got a new Denis Wick 4N (largest cup, narrow rim). I used to play on a Laskey 70G and i felt like i was playing a trumpet (on the schools yamaha that i was using atleast) so i bought the mouthpiece before i got the horn. The 4N makes the 8DS sound amazing with a big, fat, rich and creamy tone, well atleast up until high F. My normal range usually includes everything up to high C. but this mouthpiece makes my tone sound very shallow up till high G, then i cant play anything above that. i figured i better try out my trusty old Laskey to see if i can still hit it. the laskey made me sound so terrible and pinched, and feels so small now, but i could hit a high C and then some. it seems to me that i've gotten too accustomed to the 4N, because of its large cup and rim size. Am i right? should i keep practicing on the 4N until i can strengthen my lips? are there anyways to speed up the process? Thanks, Joe ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Flugel horn subbed for French horn -- it worked!
That's interesting and quick thinking. It's a good thing there weren't any Alto Saxophones around. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Valerie WELLS Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 1:36 PM To: horn list Subject: [Hornlist] Flugel horn subbed for French horn -- it worked! On a Tuesday in December I learned that my second horn player had gotten the dates mixed up and had a set-in-stone conflict for our holiday concert the following Friday. I contacted every horn player I knew in the south Puget Sound area & every single one was booked. I was desparate. We were playing this totally cool Franz Josef Haydn "Organ Concerto in F" in a local church w/ a fabulous pipe organ. This piece has a horn duet that's absolutely critical for the success of the piece. So at the final rehearsal, I had to face the conductor w/ the terrible news that I'd have to play the part alone. Our trumpet principal overheard me & asked, "Could you rewrite the second horn part in Bb and let me try it on my flugel horn?" I went home & rewrote it having no idea how it would turn out. The trumpet principal & I got together early before the concert & went over the part. To my amazement, he was able to make his flugel horn sound like a French horn. (He's very skilled.) There were a few notes he had to play up an octave, but it all turned out great. Who knew a flugel horn could sound so warm & sonorous as to pass for a second horn part? Have any of you had the priviledge of playing this rarely played piece? It's SOOO fun. Another piece we did that was especially fun for me was Mozart's "Three German Dances" (with Sleigh Ride and hand bells). In the second movement (or dance) the horn carries the melody all the way through. It was so cool. Valerie ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Texas Horns
The local classical station is now playing a selection from the Texas Horns CD, "Hooked on Williams." It's is available on ArkivMusic for those interested. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Greetings
To one and all the very best of the Season and wishes for a very Happy New Year. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] RE: embouchure
The Horn list - back to semi-steady state. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] More fiddle tunes
Sure does sound like a side kick to Sid Fitch. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of DalleyHN Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 12:54 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] More fiddle tunes Knew Gordon Mumma from high school days (Ferndale Michigan) and College (University of Michigan). A good horn player, he moved into avant guarde music in college. His music "Hornpipe" was originally scored for solo horn, but played with a bassoon reed. Unusual, to say the least, and only modestly recognised. His later association with the Merse Cunningham Dance Company gained him international recognition. Now, s I understand, he is composing entirely electronic media. Regards. Also seasons greetings. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Beethoven and the Illuminati
Slate has an interesting article, not that long, be interested in other observations. http://www.slate.com/id/2206021 Beethoven and the Illuminati How the secret order influenced the great composer. By Jan SwaffordPosted Monday, Dec. 8, 2008, at 6:35 AM ET ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
