[Hornlist] Singing/Ear Training/some for Hans.....
Hornfolks I 'hear' in advance; much like a sentence what I must play in advance in order that I may plan the phrasing. When transposing; I hear the correct pitches as well although I must do a bit of maneuvering at times to 'get it'. There are some transpositions that I just get instantly. Some must be thought out in advance but eventually I do get those too. And in every case, I 'hear' the note before it is played and that includes all of the clefs. Now here is one that perhaps has not been discussed in this forum; singing whilst playing horn. There is a cadenza in the Weber Concertino. Yes, it took me some time to learn to sing INTO the horn while playing, but eventually it worked out. That particular cadenza as many are, is written such that when 'sung and played' in tune; another higher harmonic; audible to the audience shall emerge. Many folks do not know about this other one; but the Ethel Smyth Concerto for Violin;Horn and Piano incorporates such a cadenza and this one is much more difficult to achieve; having odd harmonies. I hope to acquire the one CD made by ArchivMusik and listen to the entire work; as well as other works she composed that I was not aware of (song cycles without horn). best- Rachel Harvey ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Singing and Playing at the Same Time
> You will hear these other two notes even if the primary tones are out of > tune, but the secondary tones will be *very* out of tune I'll "amen" that. It seems to me that, if your intonation on the PLAYED and SUNG notes is off 2%, then the RESULTANT will be off by 50%. Feels like balancing a running chainsaw on one's nose. jrc ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Dear list members Does not Oscar Franz refer to multi phonics as exhibitionitism and not to be encouraged!! Mention has been made of the Weber Concertino in E which has the multiphonic cadenza. I can remember my father playing it on an old Raoux horn using an F and a half tone crook. He wanted to do it with the Halle, but the conductor Sir John Barbarolli was concerned that the cadenza may go wrong.so it never happened. About 45 years ago I heard it played by one of the BBC orchestras - just magic. More up to date is a recording by Barry Tuckwell on EMI Classics double cd. As stated, tuning between the played and sung notes is all important. A young lady who plays horn in our local orchestra gave me a tape of a tuba player - she gave no details of the player - doing a multiphonics solo, quite brilliant Tony Crosse South Australia No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.6 - Release Date: 27/01/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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This brings back memories of a pysics wave lab setup I built back in college
that was so annoying I can't resist describing it to a younger generation. My
son has an old EMU emulator that he was able to program for a full keyboard
using this concept.
Because I alredy had a reputation for being obnoxious and annoying, the
instructor isolated me in in a cinder block storage room containing all kinds
of neat stuff, including signal generators and transducers (horn speakers). It
didn't take me long to discover the interesting properties of two audio
oscillators operating at high power above the human audible range, but beating
at a quite audible frequency. Meanwhile, I set up some of Cabbage's standard
rope tricks to show to my unsupecting victims, then watched them go slowly nuts.
Come to think of it, Tippet would probably love to write a concerto for it.
In a message dated 1/26/2005 1:54:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, David Goldberg
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>The notes are there, the sum and the difference of the frequencies, but as
>Hans says, probably too weak to hear well, with all that singing and
>playing going on.
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>You will hear these other two notes even if the primary tones are out of
>tune, but the secondary tones will be *very* out of tune. I have an
>ancient vinyl recording of classical unaccompanied flute duets which are
>sometimes very annoying because of the loud droning of the difference
>frequency. It sounds like someone turned on an electric fan in the room.
>
>It's lots of fun to begin singing on the note you are playing, then
>slowly raise the sung pitch - you will hear the individual beats until
>the difference is enough to call it a note. Sounds like an airplane
>taking off.
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Re: [Hornlist] Singing and Playing at the Same Time
The notes are there, the sum and the difference of the frequencies, but as
Hans says, probably too weak to hear well, with all that singing and
playing going on.
You will hear these other two notes even if the primary tones are out of
tune, but the secondary tones will be *very* out of tune. I have an
ancient vinyl recording of classical unaccompanied flute duets which are
sometimes very annoying because of the loud droning of the difference
frequency. It sounds like someone turned on an electric fan in the room.
It's lots of fun to begin singing on the note you are playing, then
slowly raise the sung pitch - you will hear the individual beats until
the difference is enough to call it a note. Sounds like an airplane
taking off.
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{ Math Dept, Washtenaw Community College }
{ Ann Arbor Michigan }
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Steve, thee is an extensive article about these "summation tones" resulting from the addition of the overtones, the article is from Musical Ti8mes Sept.1st, 1925. These chords work best only for horns in F, E or E-flat or even lower (C-basso, Bb-basso, D). If you cannot hear the third pitch, may-be it is too weak, as you probably sing it in perfect pitch. If you shift your voice produced tone a bit up or down, you will listen some ugly high pitch. Play (concert) f & hold it, sing (concert) c & d in a slow movement in succession, you will immideately listen the third pitch. Finally play (concert) c (below stuff) (= the F-horn g below staff) & sing a Seventh higher tone, you will hear a chord of 4 pitches then. But Steve, this is "snow from after tomorrow". It is good that you know that this is possible, but it might be much better to improve the important things of horn playing, the roots, the basic, first for a few years. And, sorry to say that, you will NEVER need these funny "horn chords" (as they are named) as they occur just in the really difficult Concertino op.45 by C.M.von Weber & the Concerto for Horn & Violin by Ethyel Smyth & a few modern works for hand horn or what ever horn, all (sorry again) to be far beyond what you might expect to play. This is (super) professional stuff. Nevertheless, it might be much fun for you, to experiment these things. Franz wrote a very good horn method, some classical book for the horn == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Freides Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 6:20 PM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: [Hornlist] Singing and Playing at the Same Time I just picked up the Franz horn method and, somewhere towards the middle, he mentions singing and playing at the same time, suggesting that if one plays written middle C while singing a fifth above on G, the E in between will be heard as well. I tried it and I hear only the two notes I'm producing, no third pitch in the middle. Is there some secret to doing this I'm missing? (By the way, it was fascinating to do this and listen to the beats between notes - a great way for someone like me with perfect pitch to first do "what comes naturally," which is to sing even-tempered pitches, secondly to become aware of the beats between the pitches, and finally to adjust the singing pitch to make the beats disappear. Very cool stuff.) -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.d e ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Singing and Playing at the Same Time
I just picked up the Franz horn method and, somewhere towards the middle, he mentions singing and playing at the same time, suggesting that if one plays written middle C while singing a fifth above on G, the E in between will be heard as well. I tried it and I hear only the two notes I'm producing, no third pitch in the middle. Is there some secret to doing this I'm missing? (By the way, it was fascinating to do this and listen to the beats between notes - a great way for someone like me with perfect pitch to first do "what comes naturally," which is to sing even-tempered pitches, secondly to become aware of the beats between the pitches, and finally to adjust the singing pitch to make the beats disappear. Very cool stuff.) -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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There are 4 Windpassing(s) in Lower Austria: Lat./Long.: 48.15/15.03 near St.Poelten, 48.18/14.91 South of Grein, 48.23/14,51 north east of Enns, 48,61/16,05 in the Waldviertel /north of the Danube half way from St.Poelten to Brno But there are four Wimpassing(s) in Lower Austria: 47,91/16,43 on the Leitha river, 48,23/15,48 on the Pielach river,47,7/16,03 not far from Semmering, 47,91/16,43 between end of Alps & Neusiedlersee half way, plus one in Upper Austria at 48,16/13,98 south of Traun Be assured, I have "passed" through all of these villages & "passed some wind". It is my home country & I might do it with or without the horn - single F off course. Cheers == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Baumgart Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 5:45 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] singing etc. horn tone MapPoint showed 1 Windpassing in Upper Austria (at junction of Danube and Enns, across the Danube from Mauthausen) and 3 in Lower Austria. Mapquest.com shows 2 in Lower Austria: http://tinyurl.com/y0hs ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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MapPoint showed 1 Windpassing in Upper Austria (at junction of Danube and Enns, across the Danube from Mauthausen) and 3 in Lower Austria. Mapquest.com shows 2 in Lower Austria: http://tinyurl.com/y0hs - Original Message - From: "Hans Pizka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'The Horn List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 12:01 AM Subject: RE: [Hornlist] singing etc. horn tone Misspelled. It is Wimpassing not Windpassing. But there is also Windhaag twice; but Bavaria has better: Tuntenhausen, Busendorf or just accross the Czech Border : As or Asch. The inhabitants are lucky that the letter "r" is missing. - Just a discussion during the first years of the 12 years Reich. "Good morning. My name is Krohn." - "Oh, my name is Asch. How much did you pay, to get the R into your name ?" - "Nothing, they took it away from your name !" -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Baumgart Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 12:29 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] singing etc. horn tone You're referring to the Windpassing technique, developed in the Upper Austria village of the same name. John Baumgart ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/baumgart%40chicagonet.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hans Pizka Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 12:01 AM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] singing etc. horn tone Misspelled. It is Wimpassing not Windpassing. But there is also Windhaag twice; but Bavaria has better: Tuntenhausen, Busendorf or just accross the Czech Border : As or Asch. The inhabitants are lucky that the letter "r" is missing. - Just a discussion during the first years of the 12 years Reich. "Good morning. My name is Krohn." - "Oh, my name is Asch. How much did you pay, to get the R into your name ?" - "Nothing, they took it away from your name !" -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Baumgart Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 12:29 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] singing etc. horn tone You're referring to the Windpassing technique, developed in the Upper Austria village of the same name. John Baumgart ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/stevo%40execpc.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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You mean South ? == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Kowalchuk Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 2:10 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] singing etc. horn tone At 05:28 PM 12/5/03 -0600, John Baumgart wrote: >You're referring to the Windpassing technique, developed in the Upper >Austria village of the same name. Shouldn't that be the Lower Tract of Upper Austria? John Kowalchuk maker of mutes/horns/canoes/paddles/bikes Oshawa, Ontario http://home.ca.inter.net/~horn1 Canadians don't surf the net, we paddle it. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Misspelled. It is Wimpassing not Windpassing. But there is also Windhaag twice; but Bavaria has better: Tuntenhausen, Busendorf or just accross the Czech Border : As or Asch. The inhabitants are lucky that the letter "r" is missing. - Just a discussion during the first years of the 12 years Reich. "Good morning. My name is Krohn." - "Oh, my name is Asch. How much did you pay, to get the R into your name ?" - "Nothing, they took it away from your name !" -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Baumgart Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 12:29 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] singing etc. horn tone You're referring to the Windpassing technique, developed in the Upper Austria village of the same name. John Baumgart ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Perfurz, sorry, perfect. I have to listen to a lot of "Furztechnik". -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 10:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hornlist] singing etc. horn tone Thanks for the correction :) Ausfahrt Technique was just a pun mixing a little of the old English in there. Aus-fart... So would farting technique in german be furz-technik? Mein Deutshe ist nicht so gut. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Good job for pointing that out. Not too many people remember that before there were compasses and the concept of "true north" people referred to Upper as in elevation, not in latitude. Also, "upper" can mean where the river comes from. As in Egypt, lower Egypt is near Cairo and upper Egypt is to the south. -William In a message dated 12/5/2003 5:42:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Shouldn't that be the Lower Tract of Upper Austria? > > John Kowalchukmaker of mutes/horns/canoes/paddles/bikes > Oshawa, Ontariohttp://home.ca.inter.net/~horn1 > > Canadians don't surf the net, we paddle it. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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At 05:28 PM 12/5/03 -0600, John Baumgart wrote: >You're referring to the Windpassing technique, developed in the Upper >Austria village of the same name. Shouldn't that be the Lower Tract of Upper Austria? John Kowalchuk maker of mutes/horns/canoes/paddles/bikes Oshawa, Ontario http://home.ca.inter.net/~horn1 Canadians don't surf the net, we paddle it. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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You're referring to the Windpassing technique, developed in the Upper Austria village of the same name. John Baumgart - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] singing etc. horn tone > Don't Germans call that the Ausfhart technique? If not they really should... > great chance for a jolly good English pun there... > > -William > > In a message dated 12/5/2003 11:04:39 AM Pacific Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Also, quite nobody felt flamed with "horn tone verse body escape > > noises", which are also called fart. Or my comment, many players would > > sound like "castrated alto trombones". > > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/baumgart%40chicagonet.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Thanks for the correction :) Ausfahrt Technique was just a pun mixing a little of the old English in there. Aus-fart... So would farting technique in german be furz-technik? Mein Deutshe ist nicht so gut. -William In a message dated 12/5/2003 12:27:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > The word in question is to be spelt as "Ausfahrt", the "h" after the > vowel prolonging the vowel, so sorry, William: "Nix is mit fhart ! Nix > mit Wortspass (pun) !" > > And I have never heard anything similar to (if at all &if corrected) > "Ausfahrt Technik". And "fart" converts to "furz" in German. If you > pronounce "furz" the English way, it comes out as "farts" for German > ears. If this is, what you meant, I can understand that, as it sounds > like natural farts, written in German as "Furze" (plural). > > So far so good: the "Hohe Schule des Bb-Horn Spiels" ! ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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You forgot that singers pronounce the words. Bad singers smear all together while best singers articulate !!! Well, not every language fits as the right example for our playing, but Italian, German & perhaps Japanese would work fine with the clear vowels & exact consonants, also Malay, Spanish (so, so). = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 8:48 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] singing etc. horn tone Hans,believe I raised the question of singing on the horn..and I still have a question! Singers (vocalists) seem to SLUR everything,unless of course,there's an occasional rest. They have to slur or break the melodic line,no? So how does singing on the horn contrast with that? We only slur when it's written that way,correct?"Confused" - Original Message - From: Hans Pizka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 'The Horn List' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 12:43 PM Subject: [Hornlist] singing etc. horn tone Interesting to note, that except two letters, nobody took up the discussion about singing on the horn. Not so positive for many on the list, sorry. Also, quite nobody felt flamed with "horn tone verse body escape noises", which are also called fart. Or my comment, many players would sound like "castrated alto trombones". Very interesting, but desillusionating. Visit my www.pizka.de/LongCall1.htm & following pages or www.pizka.de/sigfrid.htm pages, to learn something about horn tone from the many samples (not only my own, but many great horn players). Or the samples at www.pizka.de/hpizka.htm. Some are video clips, some audio clips. Download speed should not be a problem today. Have fun. Prof.Hans Pizka, Pf.1136 D-85541 Kirchheim - Germany Fax: 49 89 903-9414 Phone: 903-9548 home: www.pizka.de email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/amegenity%40comcast.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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The word in question is to be spelt as "Ausfahrt", the "h" after the vowel prolonging the vowel, so sorry, William: "Nix is mit fhart ! Nix mit Wortspass (pun) !" And I have never heard anything similar to (if at all & if corrected) "Ausfahrt Technik". And "fart" converts to "furz" in German. If you pronounce "furz" the English way, it comes out as "farts" for German ears. If this is, what you meant, I can understand that, as it sounds like natural farts, written in German as "Furze" (plural). So far so good: the "Hohe Schule des Bb-Horn Spiels" ! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 8:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hornlist] singing etc. horn tone Don't Germans call that the Ausfhart technique? If not they really should... great chance for a jolly good English pun there... -William In a message dated 12/5/2003 11:04:39 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Also, quite nobody felt flamed with "horn tone verse body escape > noises", which are also called fart. Or my comment, many players would > sound like "castrated alto trombones". ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Singers (vocalists) seem to SLUR everything,unless of course,there's an occasional rest. I don't think they DO slur everything. Just depends on the music...markings, etc... A. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Hans,believe I raised the question of singing on the horn..and I still have a question! Singers (vocalists) seem to SLUR everything,unless of course,there's an occasional rest. They have to slur or break the melodic line,no? So how does singing on the horn contrast with that? We only slur when it's written that way,correct?"Confused" - Original Message - From: Hans Pizka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 'The Horn List' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 12:43 PM Subject: [Hornlist] singing etc. horn tone Interesting to note, that except two letters, nobody took up the discussion about singing on the horn. Not so positive for many on the list, sorry. Also, quite nobody felt flamed with "horn tone verse body escape noises", which are also called fart. Or my comment, many players would sound like "castrated alto trombones". Very interesting, but desillusionating. Visit my www.pizka.de/LongCall1.htm & following pages or www.pizka.de/sigfrid.htm pages, to learn something about horn tone from the many samples (not only my own, but many great horn players). Or the samples at www.pizka.de/hpizka.htm. Some are video clips, some audio clips. Download speed should not be a problem today. Have fun. Prof.Hans Pizka, Pf.1136 D-85541 Kirchheim - Germany Fax: 49 89 903-9414 Phone: 903-9548 home: www.pizka.de email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/amegenity%40comcast.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Don't Germans call that the Ausfhart technique? If not they really should... great chance for a jolly good English pun there... -William In a message dated 12/5/2003 11:04:39 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Also, quite nobody felt flamed with "horn tone verse body escape > noises", which are also called fart. Or my comment, many players would > sound like "castrated alto trombones". ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] singing etc. horn tone
Interesting to note, that except two letters, nobody took up the discussion about singing on the horn. Not so positive for many on the list, sorry. Also, quite nobody felt flamed with "horn tone verse body escape noises", which are also called fart. Or my comment, many players would sound like "castrated alto trombones". Very interesting, but desillusionating. Visit my www.pizka.de/LongCall1.htm & following pages or www.pizka.de/sigfrid.htm pages, to learn something about horn tone from the many samples (not only my own, but many great horn players). Or the samples at www.pizka.de/hpizka.htm. Some are video clips, some audio clips. Download speed should not be a problem today. Have fun. Prof.Hans Pizka, Pf.1136 D-85541 Kirchheim - Germany Fax: 49 89 903-9414 Phone: 903-9548 home: www.pizka.de email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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As others have pointed out, singing doesn't have to be legato. Singers sing "on the air" by instinct. When you sing, you sing the phrase, not the notes. Sing "Happy Birthday." You don't sing "Hap", "py", "Birth", "Day", "to", "you." Speaking from experience, I'm successful singing the phrase, but when I play the horn, I tend to play the notes. This is music?? Herb Foster --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Vibrato discussion brought to mind a question I've had for quite some time > We often refer to our playing as "singing with the horn" and during my few > lessons with Morris Secon he really stressed the "singing" aspect. Then I > made a point of listening to singers,especially Frank Sinatra for his > phrasing, and realised that singers slur EVERYTHING..hardly ever a true > separation between notes. Guess the question is how can we "sing" without the > slurring? Sorry if this is stupid question #142 but I really am curious > about this.. I want to sing with my horn! Anne > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Lauda Jennifer!!! - I wholeheartedly second everything in this post, as I too have only been as good a horn player as I am because I sang, in everything from an 8 person ensemble to several 150+ voice choirs. When you can do a true PP with 150 voices, ["as in Adam all die," from Messiah,] enough so that the audience is attentively "on the edge of their seats" then you learn a lot about breath support, and sustaining your airflow throughout a phrase. One thing that she didn't mention is the stylistic education that occurs - especially in renaissance and baroque music - that one can obtain by performing it vocally. I am not sure where I first read this, or how true it really is, but supposedly in the baroque and classical eras, one first had to be taught solfeggio and singing before being allowed to join the nobleman's orchestra as a horn player. Think of all the prominent virtuosos who are known to have played other instruments besides horn. (Dennis Brain was an organ player , remember.) paxmaha Jennifer Presar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Try actually singing your music. If you have an accompanist handy, it works best to sing with the piano. You can learn alot about a musical line (legato or separated) by making the sounds with your body alone. As you sing, pay attention to your breath/air. When do you need to intensify the air to keep a note going? When can you relax the air to "float" a note? What is your air doing when you have to sing short notes? How much air to you have to use to be heard above the piano? Then transfer those feelings with the air to the horn. You may not be the best singer - but get over thatuse your voice as a musical tool. If you have the chance - get in a choir. The singing opportunities through my schooling has been a necessity for my horn playing. Air is the key with singing and horn playing - many players tend to be conservative in using it - there is plenty - don't be afraid to use it!! Jennifer Jennifer Presar Instructor of Horn and Music Theory Southern Illinois University Carbondale, IL 62901 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 618.453.5809 - Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Try actually singing your music. If you have an accompanist handy, it works best to sing with the piano. You can learn alot about a musical line (legato or separated) by making the sounds with your body alone. As you sing, pay attention to your breath/air. When do you need to intensify the air to keep a note going? When can you relax the air to "float" a note? What is your air doing when you have to sing short notes? How much air to you have to use to be heard above the piano? Then transfer those feelings with the air to the horn. You may not be the best singer - but get over thatuse your voice as a musical tool. If you have the chance - get in a choir. The singing opportunities through my schooling has been a necessity for my horn playing. Air is the key with singing and horn playing - many players tend to be conservative in using it - there is plenty - don't be afraid to use it!! Jennifer Jennifer Presar Instructor of Horn and Music Theory Southern Illinois University Carbondale, IL 62901 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 618.453.5809 Quoting Paul Mansur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi. Again, I mention Earl Saxton's emphasis upon "hornsinging." It is > a good concept and likely easier to grasp with legato and slurring. > However; may I remind you that staccato occurs also in singing. Think > of Figaro in "Largo al factotum" and the Gilbert and Sullivan patter > songs. Some of those things are real tongue twisters! The real > challenge in hornsinging is to learn to make beautiful sounds rapidly > when necessary in staccato passages. Listen to what great soloists > achieve! You must make Mozart's rondo movements of his concerti sing! > > Cheers, most CORdially, Paul Mansur > > > > On Monday, November 17, 2003, at 04:06 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Vibrato discussion brought to mind a question I've had for quite some > > time We often refer to our playing as "singing with the horn" and > > during my few lessons with Morris Secon he really stressed the > > "singing" aspect. Then I made a point of listening to > > singers,especially Frank Sinatra for his phrasing, and realised that > > singers slur EVERYTHING..hardly ever a true separation between notes. > > Guess the question is how can we "sing" without the slurring? Sorry > > if this is stupid question #142 but I really am curious about this.. I > > want to sing with my horn! Anne > > ___ > > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > set your options at > > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/pmansur%40bellsouth.net > > > > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jpresar%40siu.edu > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Hi. Again, I mention Earl Saxton's emphasis upon "hornsinging." It is a good concept and likely easier to grasp with legato and slurring. However; may I remind you that staccato occurs also in singing. Think of Figaro in "Largo al factotum" and the Gilbert and Sullivan patter songs. Some of those things are real tongue twisters! The real challenge in hornsinging is to learn to make beautiful sounds rapidly when necessary in staccato passages. Listen to what great soloists achieve! You must make Mozart's rondo movements of his concerti sing! Cheers, most CORdially, Paul Mansur On Monday, November 17, 2003, at 04:06 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Vibrato discussion brought to mind a question I've had for quite some time We often refer to our playing as "singing with the horn" and during my few lessons with Morris Secon he really stressed the "singing" aspect. Then I made a point of listening to singers,especially Frank Sinatra for his phrasing, and realised that singers slur EVERYTHING..hardly ever a true separation between notes. Guess the question is how can we "sing" without the slurring? Sorry if this is stupid question #142 but I really am curious about this.. I want to sing with my horn! Anne ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/pmansur%40bellsouth.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Anne, You think that is a stupid question? Not at all! I think that the best reference for you would be Marvin C. Howe's The Advancing Hornist. I don't know how accessible it is, (I only ever have seen it at Interlochen) but it is a great book to learn how to be more lyrical in your playing. The first volume is very appropriately titled The Singing Hornist. There is a very lengthy introduction explaining everything and well worth the read. The exercises range from very mild to "meh" in terms of technique, but it's a wonderful reference for becoming more of a musician than a robot playing fingerings. Hope that helps! On that note, I just was wondering if anyone else has heard of this book because when my teacher this summer told me to get it, it was a great tool. I still use things from it every day in practice. Michael Scheimer, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 2003 Interlochen Arts Camp Concert Band, 2002, 2003 PMEA Honors Band and 2003 District Orchestra, 2004 District Band Founding co-member of Fünf Brass Quintet ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] "Singing"
Vibrato discussion brought to mind a question I've had for quite some time We often refer to our playing as "singing with the horn" and during my few lessons with Morris Secon he really stressed the "singing" aspect. Then I made a point of listening to singers,especially Frank Sinatra for his phrasing, and realised that singers slur EVERYTHING..hardly ever a true separation between notes. Guess the question is how can we "sing" without the slurring? Sorry if this is stupid question #142 but I really am curious about this.. I want to sing with my horn! Anne ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Thanks! Looks interesting. - Original Message - From: "Carlberg Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Singing through the horn > May I suggest checking out: > > Nigel Downing > Singing on the Wind > http://www.hornweb.ch > > It is a thought provoking book, available free as a PDF file, well worth > the download. I would recommend downloading the entire book at once, rather > than chapter by chapter, since then it is all in one file. It is in English. > > Regards, > > Carlberg Jones > Colima, Col., Mexico > Tel. 001-52-312-330-3531 > > > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cairnman%40wisetec.com > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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May I suggest checking out: Nigel Downing Singing on the Wind http://www.hornweb.ch It is a thought provoking book, available free as a PDF file, well worth the download. I would recommend downloading the entire book at once, rather than chapter by chapter, since then it is all in one file. It is in English. Regards, Carlberg Jones Colima, Col., Mexico Tel. 001-52-312-330-3531 ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Did you ever know that I publish a lot fort he horn or with the hor or for multiple horns ??? Visit my web site to know more. Also where to get the Suttner concerto. = -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von John Dutton Gesendet: Freitag, 14. März 2003 19:29 An: Memphis Hornlist Betreff: RE: [Hornlist] Singing through the horn Speaking ofdoes anyone know where I can get the Ethel Smyth and the Suttner? Thompson Edition maybe? The Jack Attack! -Original Message- From: Hans Pizka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 14 March, 2003 9:45 To: 'The Horn List' Subject: AW: [Hornlist] Singing through the horn B) is not a stupid Brass Trick, it is a very old Paganinesque trick, which can be of great effect, if one does it the right way & just once or twice in a certain romantic cadenca. We have three cadenzas with that effect: Ethel Smyth, Weber, Suttner. But it is not for every voice & ear. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Alan Cole Gesendet: Freitag, 14. M=E4rz 2003 16:35 An: The Horn List Betreff: Re: [Hornlist] Singing through the horn Depends on whether you mean (A) playing lyrically or (B) producing that=20 weird effect known as double-stopping (i.e., vocalizing one pitch through=20 the horn while simultaneously playing a different pitch on the horn). (A) involves a musical state of mind. (B) is a stunt that falls into the category of Stupid Brass Tricks. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~ OK - I've read this a few times, the idea of "singing through the=20 horn." Would someone care to elaborate on this a bit more? Is this a=20 specific technique, or more a matter of state of mind? ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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In a message dated 3/14/03 10:26:18 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << matter of state of mind? >> Without a doubt! ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Speaking ofdoes anyone know where I can get the Ethel Smyth and the Suttner? Thompson Edition maybe? The Jack Attack! -Original Message- From: Hans Pizka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 14 March, 2003 9:45 To: 'The Horn List' Subject: AW: [Hornlist] Singing through the horn B) is not a stupid Brass Trick, it is a very old Paganinesque trick, which can be of great effect, if one does it the right way & just once or twice in a certain romantic cadenca. We have three cadenzas with that effect: Ethel Smyth, Weber, Suttner. But it is not for every voice & ear. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Alan Cole Gesendet: Freitag, 14. M=E4rz 2003 16:35 An: The Horn List Betreff: Re: [Hornlist] Singing through the horn Depends on whether you mean (A) playing lyrically or (B) producing that=20 weird effect known as double-stopping (i.e., vocalizing one pitch through=20 the horn while simultaneously playing a different pitch on the horn). (A) involves a musical state of mind. (B) is a stunt that falls into the category of Stupid Brass Tricks. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~ OK - I've read this a few times, the idea of "singing through the=20 horn." Would someone care to elaborate on this a bit more? Is this a=20 specific technique, or more a matter of state of mind? ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Or you can get it at Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0942782003/inktomi-bkasin-20/002-8967 097-9576027 - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Horn List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Singing through the horn > > An interesting book about musical phrasing is "NOTE GROUPING" A Method for > Achieving Expression and Style in Musical Performance - written by James > Morgan Thurmond. > > You might be able to find this book at a college or university that has a > music school. > > Jay Kosta > Endwell NY USA > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cairnman%40wisetec.com > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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An interesting book about musical phrasing is "NOTE GROUPING" A Method for Achieving Expression and Style in Musical Performance - written by James Morgan Thurmond. You might be able to find this book at a college or university that has a music school. Jay Kosta Endwell NY USA ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Means, just before the upbeat, never before the down beat (with exceptions). I thought this would be absolutely clear ? Ooops, for a violinist it would be clear. = -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Dave Tuttle Gesendet: Freitag, 14. März 2003 17:09 An: The Horn List Betreff: Re: [Hornlist] Singing through the horn Hey Hans, Could you elaborate on what you mean by breathing "up-beat-wise"? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying on that. Thanks... - Original Message - From: "Hans Pizka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'The Horn List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:31 AM Subject: AW: [Hornlist] Singing through the horn > This is not a specific technique, as so many advices are misunderstood > as they are taken wordly. > > Singing through the horn means articulating as if one were singing. One > cannot sing with nearly closed mouth, right ? It would be humming not > singing. So keep the throat open. > > Sing the melody without the horn, breath "up-beat-wise". Keep this > experience including the so found phrasings, "transpose" it to the horn > & play the same melody on the horn "if you were singing". That´s all. > > Try it & watch yourself. > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im > Auftrag von Timothy A. Johnson > Gesendet: Freitag, 14. März 2003 16:26 > An: 'The Horn List' > Betreff: [Hornlist] Singing through the horn > > OK - I've read this a few times, the idea of "singing through the horn." > Would someone care to elaborate on this a bit more? Is this a specific > technique, or more a matter of state of mind? > > Thanks, > > Timothy A. Johnson > Information Technologies > Northwestern College > St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://tajohnson.org > > -Original Message- > From: John Dutton > Sent: Wednesday, 12 March, 2003 5:31 PM > Subject: [Hornlist] Trills in Dvorak 8 > > > That's a good question Hans! I speak quite a bit about Schantl and > singing > through the horn as well but I haven't mentioned that lately I guess and > it > didn't seem pertinent to the question asked;-). My students are even > now > learning the joys of Bordogni! However, a few tricks in the bag are nice > > too. > > The Jack Attack! > > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de > > > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cairnman%40wisetec.com > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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B) is not a stupid Brass Trick, it is a very old Paganinesque trick, which can be of great effect, if one does it the right way & just once or twice in a certain romantic cadenca. We have three cadenzas with that effect: Ethel Smyth, Weber, Suttner. But it is not for every voice & ear. == -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Alan Cole Gesendet: Freitag, 14. März 2003 16:35 An: The Horn List Betreff: Re: [Hornlist] Singing through the horn Depends on whether you mean (A) playing lyrically or (B) producing that weird effect known as double-stopping (i.e., vocalizing one pitch through the horn while simultaneously playing a different pitch on the horn). (A) involves a musical state of mind. (B) is a stunt that falls into the category of Stupid Brass Tricks. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~ OK - I've read this a few times, the idea of "singing through the horn." Would someone care to elaborate on this a bit more? Is this a specific technique, or more a matter of state of mind? ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Singing through the horn can be helped by having lots of pieces to sing, and an accompanist handy. Here is a partial list of my favorite vocal collection books - apologies to the old-time listers for receiving this information one more time. These books are all available with CD piano accompaniment included, sometimes cassette tape accompaniment. They all cost about $20 US or less. Since they are songs for singers, the music is written in C; you can always transpose down, and often going up will sit well on horn. There are generally no separable solo parts, so you have to turn pages or make your own copies. Some books are available in "low" or "high" voice. These differ generally by about a third. I stick with low voice versions so as to be able to transpose up more often. Aside from the exposure to mainstream music that these books provide, they also help hornists become fluent C-transposers, and therefore better able to read for other instruments and horse around at cast parties. They make ordinary daily practice sessions exciting. "26 Italian Songs and Arias", pub Alfred. "Italian Arias of the Baroque and Classical Eras", pub Alfred. 26 songs. "Favorite German Art Songs" for Low Voice, pub. Hal Leonard. 11 songs. Schubert's 'An Die Musik' is worth the price of the whole book. Hal-Leonard publishes a series of Mozart arias; one book each for soprano, mezzo-soprano, tenor, and bass-baritone. All are excellent, and you will hear some Mozart horn-concerto moments here and there. The bass-baritone book solo line is written in bass clef. "The Singer's Gilbert & Sullivan" - two books, being 'Women's edition' and 'Men's edition'. These have full orchestra accompaniment, not piano. Hal-Leonard. "Italian Tenor Arias", Hal-Leonard. "Folk Songs for Singers", Vol.1, Vol.2, and "Folk Songs for Two". Alfred. "First Book of Tenor Solos" (35 songs on 2 CDs), and "First Book of Soprano Solos" (33 songs on 2 CDs), pub G.Schirmer/Hal-Leonard. "Gateway to German Lieder", Alfred. 48 songs on 2 CDs. "Standard Ballads", 10 songs. Hal-Leonard Many popular CDs have books available, and you can use them to play along with the music, though this is not music-minus-one, as above. My current favorite is "Shepherd Moons", by Enya. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Hey Hans, Could you elaborate on what you mean by breathing "up-beat-wise"? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying on that. Thanks... - Original Message - From: "Hans Pizka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'The Horn List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:31 AM Subject: AW: [Hornlist] Singing through the horn > This is not a specific technique, as so many advices are misunderstood > as they are taken wordly. > > Singing through the horn means articulating as if one were singing. One > cannot sing with nearly closed mouth, right ? It would be humming not > singing. So keep the throat open. > > Sing the melody without the horn, breath "up-beat-wise". Keep this > experience including the so found phrasings, "transpose" it to the horn > & play the same melody on the horn "if you were singing". That´s all. > > Try it & watch yourself. > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im > Auftrag von Timothy A. Johnson > Gesendet: Freitag, 14. März 2003 16:26 > An: 'The Horn List' > Betreff: [Hornlist] Singing through the horn > > OK - I've read this a few times, the idea of "singing through the horn." > Would someone care to elaborate on this a bit more? Is this a specific > technique, or more a matter of state of mind? > > Thanks, > > Timothy A. Johnson > Information Technologies > Northwestern College > St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://tajohnson.org > > -Original Message- > From: John Dutton > Sent: Wednesday, 12 March, 2003 5:31 PM > Subject: [Hornlist] Trills in Dvorak 8 > > > That's a good question Hans! I speak quite a bit about Schantl and > singing > through the horn as well but I haven't mentioned that lately I guess and > it > didn't seem pertinent to the question asked;-). My students are even > now > learning the joys of Bordogni! However, a few tricks in the bag are nice > > too. > > The Jack Attack! > > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de > > > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cairnman%40wisetec.com > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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On this subject, is there someone out there in possession of the second issue of the Horn Call? It contains an article by Earl Saxton (a former teacher of mine) relative to "singing through the horn". His perspective on the subject was useful to me (and still is), and the copy he'd provided to me back when I studied with him has long since been misplaced... If someone could e-mail (PDF), snail mail or fax it to me, I'd be most appreciative. Please contact me off-list. Thanks in advance, Dave Tuttle - Original Message - From: "Timothy A. Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'The Horn List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:25 AM Subject: [Hornlist] Singing through the horn > OK - I've read this a few times, the idea of "singing through the horn." > Would someone care to elaborate on this a bit more? Is this a specific > technique, or more a matter of state of mind? > > Thanks, > > Timothy A. Johnson > Information Technologies > Northwestern College > St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://tajohnson.org > > -Original Message- > From: John Dutton > Sent: Wednesday, 12 March, 2003 5:31 PM > Subject: [Hornlist] Trills in Dvorak 8 > > > That's a good question Hans! I speak quite a bit about Schantl and > singing > through the horn as well but I haven't mentioned that lately I guess and > it > didn't seem pertinent to the question asked;-). My students are even > now > learning the joys of Bordogni! However, a few tricks in the bag are nice > > too. > > The Jack Attack! > > ___ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/cairnman%40wisetec.com > ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Singing through the horn
Depends on whether you mean (A) playing lyrically or (B) producing that weird effect known as double-stopping (i.e., vocalizing one pitch through the horn while simultaneously playing a different pitch on the horn). (A) involves a musical state of mind. (B) is a stunt that falls into the category of Stupid Brass Tricks. -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~~ OK - I've read this a few times, the idea of "singing through the horn." Would someone care to elaborate on this a bit more? Is this a specific technique, or more a matter of state of mind? ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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This is not a specific technique, as so many advices are misunderstood as they are taken wordly. Singing through the horn means articulating as if one were singing. One cannot sing with nearly closed mouth, right ? It would be humming not singing. So keep the throat open. Sing the melody without the horn, breath "up-beat-wise". Keep this experience including the so found phrasings, "transpose" it to the horn & play the same melody on the horn "if you were singing". That´s all. Try it & watch yourself. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Timothy A. Johnson Gesendet: Freitag, 14. März 2003 16:26 An: 'The Horn List' Betreff: [Hornlist] Singing through the horn OK - I've read this a few times, the idea of "singing through the horn." Would someone care to elaborate on this a bit more? Is this a specific technique, or more a matter of state of mind? Thanks, Timothy A. Johnson Information Technologies Northwestern College St. Paul, Minnesota http://tajohnson.org -Original Message- From: John Dutton Sent: Wednesday, 12 March, 2003 5:31 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Trills in Dvorak 8 That's a good question Hans! I speak quite a bit about Schantl and singing through the horn as well but I haven't mentioned that lately I guess and it didn't seem pertinent to the question asked;-). My students are even now learning the joys of Bordogni! However, a few tricks in the bag are nice too. The Jack Attack! ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Singing through the horn
OK - I've read this a few times, the idea of "singing through the horn." Would someone care to elaborate on this a bit more? Is this a specific technique, or more a matter of state of mind? Thanks, Timothy A. Johnson Information Technologies Northwestern College St. Paul, Minnesota http://tajohnson.org -Original Message- From: John Dutton Sent: Wednesday, 12 March, 2003 5:31 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Trills in Dvorak 8 That's a good question Hans! I speak quite a bit about Schantl and singing through the horn as well but I haven't mentioned that lately I guess and it didn't seem pertinent to the question asked;-). My students are even now learning the joys of Bordogni! However, a few tricks in the bag are nice too. The Jack Attack! ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
