Re: [Hornlist] Bad eye sight
In a message dated 27/01/2003 20:43:47 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Lawrence, > > Do they cure double vision? I've been on medication for a while now which means I can't take any alcohol at all. This has resulted in a noticeable (and inexplicable) improvement in the efficacy of my glasses. All the best, Lawrence ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Bad eye sight
Lawrence, Do they cure double vision? _ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://messenger.msn.co.uk ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Bad eye sight
I had both eyes done(cataract removal and lens implants) one when I was fifty and the other 3 years ago ( when I was 55. I have not seen so well in my life. I now use glasses only for very close and driving. It took 15 minutes however the 2 experiences were slightly different . The 2nd operation the recovery was longer but I also started playing horn again after a layoff of 25 years. Can't guarantee this will happen but it did give life a new perspective. Paul Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. > [Original Message] > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 1/25/03 11:38:13 AM > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Bad eye sight > > In a message dated 1/25/2003 6:16:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > > Don't get me started on percussion players, or for that matter trumpet > > players > > on afterbeats! It may be that I'm so used to blurry vision, that I can tell > > who > > the conductor's looking at. YMMV. I'm getting those cataracts out this > > spring. > > > > Herb > > > > Hi Herb, > > Good luck with the bionic eye job. My lens implant > took less than :15 and was completely painless. Yes, > no kidding, LESS than 15 minutes. I was legally blind > in the right eye and now it's better than the left. I was > encouraged to do it because of a thread on this hornlist. > Someone gave an account of how easy it was and how > it completely changes their vision and several other listers > jumped in with "me too". I had been putting it off because > I had seen an operation on a medical channel where they were > performing a lens implant the old way by taking the eyeball > apart and sewing it back together again. > > If anyone on the list has been putting off a lens implant for > any reason, I would strongly suggest that you talk to a good > eye doctor about it. . 15 minutes ... no pain the > paperwork takes longer and is more painful !! > > Regards, Jerry in Kansas City > > > ___ > Horn mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Bad eye sight
In a message dated 1/25/2003 2:26:32 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > I bought vari-focal glasses so that I could see the music clearly through > the > lower section and the conductor clearly through the upper. I don't use > them > to play (if I remember to bring my other pair). > > I found that sight reading especially was difficult because there was some > fall-off in clarity towards the outer edge of the lenses and I couldn't see > > both the start and end of a line clearly. Although the notes were okay, > sharps and naturals were difficult to distinguish. > > When I remember to take them I now use a single focus lens medium distance > pair when I play - this means that the music, although not perfectly clear > anywhwere is at least readable over all the page and the antics of the chap > > at the front are visible. > > When I have my eyes tested, tests are done at reading and general distance > but also at music stand distance. > > All the best, > > Lawrence > Hi Lawrence, I went through the same process. The vari-focal and the single focus lens did not work for me. I settled on the standard bifocal lens. It is possible to have the ENTIRE lower part of the lens made to the focal length required for the music. In that way you do not have to move your head to see the entire sheet of music and the entire sheet of music is in focus. I had the lower part made as big as they could make it. The upper part of the lens is set to infinity and allows me to see the conductors eyes which I found through trial and error was a necessity. Anyway, that's my experience with this issue ... others' mileage may vary. Regards,Jerry in Kansas City ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Bad eye sight
In a message dated 1/25/2003 6:16:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Don't get me started on percussion players, or for that matter trumpet > players > on afterbeats! It may be that I'm so used to blurry vision, that I can tell > who > the conductor's looking at. YMMV. I'm getting those cataracts out this > spring. > > Herb > Hi Herb, Good luck with the bionic eye job. My lens implant took less than :15 and was completely painless. Yes, no kidding, LESS than 15 minutes. I was legally blind in the right eye and now it's better than the left. I was encouraged to do it because of a thread on this hornlist. Someone gave an account of how easy it was and how it completely changes their vision and several other listers jumped in with "me too". I had been putting it off because I had seen an operation on a medical channel where they were performing a lens implant the old way by taking the eyeball apart and sewing it back together again. If anyone on the list has been putting off a lens implant for any reason, I would strongly suggest that you talk to a good eye doctor about it. . 15 minutes ... no pain the paperwork takes longer and is more painful !! Regards, Jerry in Kansas City ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Bad eye sight
Don't get me started on percussion players, or for that matter trumpet players on afterbeats! It may be that I'm so used to blurry vision, that I can tell who the conductor's looking at. YMMV. I'm getting those cataracts out this spring. Herb --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 1/24/2003 5:57:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > Assuming that the vision problem can be corrected by glasses, bifocals are > > not > > necessary, and you can save the cost. If the corrected vision focuses on > > the > > music (about 28 inches), the conductor can still be seen clearly enough to > > follow perfectly. Who wants to see the conductor in perfect focus and gory > > detail, anyway? Slightly fuzzy may be preferable... > > > > Herb Foster > > > > Hi Herb, > > I tried the single focus lens thing and was able > to see the blurred conductor but I could not see > his eyes clearly enough to tell if he was looking > at me. I now wear a special bifocal music lens > that focuses on the music AND the conductor. > I can now tell if he is giving me > (rather than the bassoon player) the cue. > > Been there, done that and got the bifocals ... > and the T-shirt. IMHO, having to see the conductor > clearly is just part of the price one has to pay to > play in an orchestra. . if percussion players > could just keep time to the music we wouldn't need a > conductor !! > > Regards, Jerry in Kansas City > ___ > Horn mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Bad eye sight
I bought vari-focal glasses so that I could see the music clearly through the lower section and the conductor clearly through the upper. I don't use them to play (if I remember to bring my other pair). I found that sight reading especially was difficult because there was some fall-off in clarity towards the outer edge of the lenses and I couldn't see both the start and end of a line clearly. Although the notes were okay, sharps and naturals were difficult to distinguish. When I remember to take them I now use a single focus lens medium distance pair when I play - this means that the music, although not perfectly clear anywhwere is at least readable over all the page and the antics of the chap at the front are visible. When I have my eyes tested, tests are done at reading and general distance but also at music stand distance. All the best, Lawrence ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Bad eye sight
In a message dated 1/24/2003 5:57:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Assuming that the vision problem can be corrected by glasses, bifocals are > not > necessary, and you can save the cost. If the corrected vision focuses on > the > music (about 28 inches), the conductor can still be seen clearly enough to > follow perfectly. Who wants to see the conductor in perfect focus and gory > detail, anyway? Slightly fuzzy may be preferable... > > Herb Foster > Hi Herb, I tried the single focus lens thing and was able to see the blurred conductor but I could not see his eyes clearly enough to tell if he was looking at me. I now wear a special bifocal music lens that focuses on the music AND the conductor. I can now tell if he is giving me (rather than the bassoon player) the cue. Been there, done that and got the bifocals ... and the T-shirt. IMHO, having to see the conductor clearly is just part of the price one has to pay to play in an orchestra. . if percussion players could just keep time to the music we wouldn't need a conductor !! Regards, Jerry in Kansas City ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Bad eye sight
Assuming that the vision problem can be corrected by glasses, bifocals are not necessary, and you can save the cost. If the corrected vision focuses on the music (about 28 inches), the conductor can still be seen clearly enough to follow perfectly. Who wants to see the conductor in perfect focus and gory detail, anyway? Slightly fuzzy may be preferable... Herb Foster --- "Gregory L. Campbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Go to an optometrist and bring some music with you, maybe even a stand! Let > the doctor know how far away your music will be placed from your face when > you play. That should be the distance at which he/she gives you a > music-reading prescription. You may also need a separate prescription (and > another pair of glasses or contacts) for regular reading distance (which is > closer to the face than usual music reading distance). > > This is something middle-aged musicians should also think about when a visit > to the eye doctor reveals the need for reading glasses or bifocals. The > different angle from the face that you read music compared to normal reading > will affect the height of the bifocal (even on progressive "no-line" > bifocals). You may find that bifocals are not the best solution for > music-reading. Even if you've had surgery to correct your vision you will > still become presbyopic (needing a different prescription for distance and > near vision) with age. > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Bad eye sight??
If by "those people who test eyes for Lens Crafters in the mall" you mean optometrists, you are mistaken. While not a medical doctor, an optometrist is trained as a specialist in diagnosing vision defects and disease; he/she can and will perform all the tests you mentioned. An opthalmologist (who is an MD), while he/she can do the same tests as the optometrist, is trained specifically to perform surgery on the eye. If by "those people who test eyes for Lens Crafters in the mall" you mean the other staff at the store, then you are probably right. They don't test your vision much more than the people at the DMV do. Always have your eyes examined by someone with a diploma and state board certificate on the wall. Greg - Original Message - From: "Wilbert Kimple" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Horn List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Bad eye sight?? First of all, I would get my eyes tested by a true medical doctor, not just one of those people who test eyes for Lens Crafters in the mall. Be sure to have a field vision test done, as well as the standard stuff. ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Bad eye sight
Go to an optometrist and bring some music with you, maybe even a stand! Let the doctor know how far away your music will be placed from your face when you play. That should be the distance at which he/she gives you a music-reading prescription. You may also need a separate prescription (and another pair of glasses or contacts) for regular reading distance (which is closer to the face than usual music reading distance). This is something middle-aged musicians should also think about when a visit to the eye doctor reveals the need for reading glasses or bifocals. The different angle from the face that you read music compared to normal reading will affect the height of the bifocal (even on progressive "no-line" bifocals). You may find that bifocals are not the best solution for music-reading. Even if you've had surgery to correct your vision you will still become presbyopic (needing a different prescription for distance and near vision) with age. But please speak up! Your optometrist may not know that you have unusual vision needs unless you let him/her know! Greg - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 12:32 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Bad eye sight Hi there. I'm 19 years old and planning to be a professional hornplayer. Unfortunately there is one big obstacle - I have terrebly bad eye sight and find it very difficult to sightread music. In the youth orchestras I used to play in, it didn't realy matter because there was months to prepare for one piece. Recently I started playing as an extra in our local professional orchestra (Cape Philharmonic). It is realy a struggle to read the music and having to be able to do it right the first time. Usually the first time is quite a mess, but luckely I have a good memory and am able to memorize the music up to some point by the time of the performance (usually 2 days later). That's not always so easy though, and often I do some stupid things in the performances as well. It helps a bit if the music is enlarged. The worst is when I get handwritten music that has to be performed after only one rehersal. I would like to know if there are any other musicians around who has such a problem and how they handle this kind of situation. Thanks Neil ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Bad eye sight
"Smit N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" wrote (in part): > > I'm 19 years old and planning to be a professional hornplayer. Unfortunately there >is one big obstacle - I have terrebly bad eye sight and find it very difficult to >sightread music. > Howard Sanner responded (in part): > > If you're in the U.S.--and, from your eddress, it appears as > though you are not--I think providing enlarged music for you to > read would constitute "reasonable accomodation" as discussed in > the Americans with Disabilities Act. However, I'm not a lawyer, > and I don't even play one on TV. If your country has a > similar statute, orchestras may be required to give you a blown > up copy of the music at the first rehearsal. > Yes, "sun.ac.za" means Stellenbosch University in South Africa. This may be worth pursuing. First, section 9 of the Constitution of South Africa says: 9. (1) Everyone is equal before the law and has the right to equal protection and benefit of the law. (2) Equality includes the full and equal enjoyment of all rights and freedoms. To promote the achievement of equality, legislative and other measures designed to protect or advance persons, or categories of persons, disadvantaged by unfair discrimination may be taken. (3) The state may not unfairly discriminate directly or indirectly against anyone on one or more grounds, including race, gender, sex, pregnancy, marital status, ethnic or social origin, colour, sexual orientation, age, DISABILITY, religion, conscience, belief, culture, language and birth. (4) No person may unfairly discriminate directly or indirectly against anyone on one or more grounds in terms of subsection (3). National legislation must be enacted to prevent or prohibit unfair discrimination. (5) Discrimination on one or more of the grounds listed in subsection (3) is unfair unless it is established that the discrimination is fair. See also paragraph 23(1), which says everyone has the right to fair labour practices; section 10, which guarantees every person's right to respect and dignity; and section 29, which guarantees the right to free choice of occupation. The South African Constitution imposes duties not only on the state, but also on individuals, companies, etc. (in sharp contrast to the U.S. Constitution). For example, compare paragraphs (3) and (4) above. The Constitutional Court takes this seriously. Second, section 9 of the Constitution has been implemented by the Promotion of Equality and Prevention of Unfair Discrimination Act, 2000. Section 28 of this Act requires the state to "eliminate discrimination on the grounds of race, gender and DISABILITY [and] promote equality in respect of race, gender and DISABILITY." In doing so, "the State, institutions performing public functions and, where appropriate and relevant, juristic and non-juristic entities, must- i) audit laws, policies and practices with a view to eliminating all discriminatory aspects thereof; ii) enact appropriate laws, develop progressive policies and initiate codes of practice in order to eliminate discrimination on the grounds of race, gender and DISABILITY; iii) adopt viable action plans for the promotion and achievement of equality in respect of race, gender and DISABILITY; and iv) give priority to the elimination of unfair discrimination and the promotion of equality in respect of race, gender and DISABILITY." Section 9 of the Act could be considered to apply to making it possible for a visually handicapped musician to read the music: "Subject to section 6, no person may unfairly discriminate against any person on the ground of disability, including- a) denying or removing from any person who has a disability, any supporting or enabling facility necessary for their functioning in society; *** c) failing to eliminate obstacles that unfairly limit or restrict persons with disabilities from enjoying equal opportunities or failing to take steps to reasonably accommodate the needs of such persons." That is, it is unlawful in South Africa for ANY PERSON (not just the state) to fail to eliminate unfair obstacles to equal opportunity for persons with disabilities. (Still, it would be even better if an ophthalmologist could fix the problem. . . .) Peter W. Schroth ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Bad eye sight
"Smit N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" wrote: > > I'm 19 years old and planning to be a professional hornplayer. Unfortunately there >is one big obstacle - I have terrebly bad eye sight and find it very difficult to >sightread music. Like several others, I'll suggest going to an opthalmologist, preferably one at a teaching hospital or medical school, for an evaluation. If you're in the U.S.--and, from your eddress, it appears as though you are not--I think providing enlarged music for you to read would constitute "reasonable accomodation" as discussed in the Americans with Disabilities Act. However, I'm not a lawyer, and I don't even play one on TV. If your country has a similar statute, orchestras may be required to give you a blown up copy of the music at the first rehearsal. Good luck. Howard Sanner [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Bad eye sight
In a message dated 1/24/2003 9:52:45 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I use bifocal music glasses that are set to 70mm for > the music and infinity to see the conductor. It might > be possible to get special glasses that will magnify > the music. > Hi Neil, That should be 70 cm for the bifocals not 70 mm. Regards,Jerry in Kansas City ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Bad eye sight
Hi Neil, I think it would be helpful to know why your eyes are bad. Two years ago, thanks to some input on the subject on this hornlist, I had a lens implant that cleared up a cataract problem in my right eye. That helped my sightreading (more practice helped also). With better vision I was able to see and concentrate on notes further ahead which I think is critical to good sightreadingIMHO. I use bifocal music glasses that are set to 70mm for the music and infinity to see the conductor. It might be possible to get special glasses that will magnify the music. I also copy some music on a copier that will enlarge the music in cases where the music is handwritten and has a mix of poorly written sharps and natural signs. Hope this helps. Regards, Jerry in Kansas City ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Bad eye sight??
Having just lost half of the sight in my left eye, due to a minor stroke, I'm very sensitive to vision issues. First of all, I would get my eyes tested by a true medical doctor, not just one of those people who test eyes for Lens Crafters in the mall. Be sure to have a field vision test done, as well as the standard stuff. If your vision can be corrected, fine, you know what you have to do. If your eyes are OK, then you need to practice sight reading on a daily basis. You will also find that the better you know your scales and arpeggios, the easier sight reading becomes. Wilbert in SC ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] Bad eye sight
Hi there. I'm 19 years old and planning to be a professional hornplayer. Unfortunately there is one big obstacle - I have terrebly bad eye sight and find it very difficult to sightread music. In the youth orchestras I used to play in, it didn't realy matter because there was months to prepare for one piece. Recently I started playing as an extra in our local professional orchestra (Cape Philharmonic). It is realy a struggle to read the music and having to be able to do it right the first time. Usually the first time is quite a mess, but luckely I have a good memory and am able to memorize the music up to some point by the time of the performance (usually 2 days later). That's not always so easy though, and often I do some stupid things in the performances as well. It helps a bit if the music is enlarged. The worst is when I get handwritten music that has to be performed after only one rehersal. I would like to know if there are any other musicians around who has such a problem and how they handle this kind of situation. Thanks Neil ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
