[Hornlist] Kruspe Horns
I have the feeling that I may have replied to Ed Glick's query on the wrong list. Or perhaps he asked both lists. For what it's worth, here's my contribution: I believe that the New Symphony Model Kruspe (definitely no umlaut) was specifically developed in the 1920s to create a full double horn with a separate Bb tuning slide and a medium bell throat, as opposed to the wider throat of the Horner model. It was listed in Kruspe catalogues as the Walter Kruspe model. This model was issued the German design registration number (DRGM) 1027194, which was generally engraved on horns sold in Germany in lieu of the Made in Germany engraved on the horns intended for export. My guess is the the name New Symphony Model was given to the export horns. Another guess is that this horn was developed to be more competitive with the Alexander horns of this period. I've seen these horns in both brass and nickel silver (I play a nickel silver version myself). Interestingly (at least to me), Kruspe produced a Fritz Kruspe model, too, but I have never knowingly seen one. The layout appears closer to that of the classical Alexander double, but it may not have had a separate Bb tuning slide. Hope this helps. Richard in Seattle Glick, Ed wrote: I bought my Kruspe ( there's no umlaut) in 1940. Stamped (or engraved) on the bell is Ed. Kruspe Erfurt New Symphony Model Made in Germany There's no serial number. When I bought it, I was told the horn was about 20 years old, so it was probably manufactured about 1920. It is a full double with a separate B-flat tuning slide. Would this horn have been made before the Horner model or was it an offshoot of the Horner? Does anyone know more about this instrument? Ed Glick ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Kruspe Horns
Richard, Since I subscribe to both lists, I'd already received your reply. Thanks for making sure I got it. Ed (in Denton) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard V. West Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:28 AM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Kruspe Horns I have the feeling that I may have replied to Ed Glick's query on the wrong list. Or perhaps he asked both lists. For what it's worth, here's my contribution: I believe that the New Symphony Model Kruspe (definitely no umlaut) was specifically developed in the 1920s to create a full double horn with a separate Bb tuning slide and a medium bell throat, as opposed to the wider throat of the Horner model. It was listed in Kruspe catalogues as the Walter Kruspe model. This model was issued the German design registration number (DRGM) 1027194, which was generally engraved on horns sold in Germany in lieu of the Made in Germany engraved on the horns intended for export. My guess is the the name New Symphony Model was given to the export horns. Another guess is that this horn was developed to be more competitive with the Alexander horns of this period. I've seen these horns in both brass and nickel silver (I play a nickel silver version myself). Interestingly (at least to me), Kruspe produced a Fritz Kruspe model, too, but I have never knowingly seen one. The layout appears closer to that of the classical Alexander double, but it may not have had a separate Bb tuning slide. Hope this helps. Richard in Seattle Glick, Ed wrote: I bought my Kruspe ( there's no umlaut) in 1940. Stamped (or engraved) on the bell is Ed. Kruspe Erfurt New Symphony Model Made in Germany There's no serial number. When I bought it, I was told the horn was about 20 years old, so it was probably manufactured about 1920. It is a full double with a separate B-flat tuning slide. Would this horn have been made before the Horner model or was it an offshoot of the Horner? Does anyone know more about this instrument? Ed Glick ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/glick%40unt.edu ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Kruspe, Conn, Schmidt and more
Here are some observations I would like to share in regards to some of the recent postings on the horn list. First of all, as to the Schmidt mouthpipe being called a a narrow taper mouthpipe, I think that this is somewhat misleading terminology. The generally accepted description by most makers of what is meant by this, is a slow tapered mouthpipe. This means that the taper flares out slower than a fast tapered pipe, which flares out sooner. In practical terms, this means that, given two pipes that are 18 inches long, starting with the small end measuring exactly the same , if you measure both pipes at 3, then 6, then 9, the faster tapered pipe will have wider inside measurements at these places than the slower tapered pipe. The mouthpipes used by Schmidt (yes, they had more than one taper), were almost always slow tapered pipes. As far as the Schmidt mouthpipe being copied by Geyer and Kruspe , I do not agree with this. Geyer had two basic tapers of mouthpipe. One which he used for his Schmidt models and for replacement pipes for Schmidt's, and another for his own Geyer models. I actually have his templates for these mouthpipes as Carl gave them to me when he retired. The template for the Geyer is larger than the one for the Schmidt. Carl also used a different taper for single F horns than he did for doubles. He also modified the tapers in his mouthpipes depending on who he was making the horn for, and according to what he thought were their individual needs. Kruspe also used more than one mouthpipe taper depending on the model, and for most of the double horns, the taper was a fast taper for the first (aprx.) 9 inches of the mouthpipe. This was not the case for the pipe designed by Conn for the 8D , although Conn went through quite a lengthy period of experimentation before settling on one design. And some players thought that the early mouthpipes were superior in playing characteristics. As to the discussion of the alloy for German silver, Kruspe had small amounts of tin and lead in their alloy, but it was not quite the same as nickel bronze. Walter Lawson told me that he choose nickel bronze because it was the closest alloy to the Kruspe alloy that he could find. One only has to look at the difference in color between the two to see this. As to Conn 8D bells as compared to most Kruspe bells, the German silver alloy Kruspe used was harder than the alloy Conn used, but Conn also had a tendency to over anneal the 8D bells to facilitate production. This made the metal softer. This certainly made a difference in the sound of the horns, but one also has to consider the allocation of the metal thickness between the two makers bells. Conn bells were thinner in the throat area and then gradually were thicker near the rim of the bell whereas with the Kruspe bells, the allocation was reversed. The Kruspe throats were thicker and the metal was thinner out towards the end of the rim. This makes a large difference in tone and response. It is easy and tempting to generalize that what made the difference between the horns was the metal composition. That did play a big part in the difference, but one also has to consider many other factors. For example, if a horn weighs about 3/4 of a pound more that another horn, the extra weight will also play a large part in the difference in tone and response. Kruspe used to thin the parts for their horns to make the horns lighter. Geyer sometimes used this technique depending on the weight of the parts he had available to use. If you look at many Kruspes with a strong magnifying glass , you can sometimes still see the leftover file marks where the parts were filed thinner- if they haven't been worn or buffed off. This also played a part in the sound quality. As to the special Kruspe sound mentioned, the faster taper in the mouthpipe was believed by many to be a factor in this sound quality. Geyer thought that this faster initial taper was in part responsible for the what he called gravy in the Kruspe's sound quality. Many players have changed the mouthpipes on their Kruspe horns in order to help correct some of the intonation problems in the upper register only to find that while the intonation was somewhat better, the sound quality was diminished from the sound with the original mouthpipe. Another factor concerning intonation problems with both the large bell Kruspes and the large bell Conns is the necessary critical placement of the hand position with a large throated bell. A large throat in a bell lowers the upper harmonics and players using horns with these bells have to make sure that their hand position does not further complicate this by lowering the upper harmonics even more. A great discussion of this is in Richard Merewether's book, THE HORN. Another factor that plays a part in Kruspe's upper register note placement is that the bells on most Kruspes do not have a gradual taper to the end of the
[Hornlist] Kruspe Code Addendum
I forgot to include this link in my last posting. It's a later Kruspe catalogue, I think, that illustrates the horns, but without the model numbers (with one exception). There are also a couple of additional horn models shown: http://www.geocities.co.jp/MusicHall-Horn/2569/kruspe/krusp.html It's a Japanese site, and when you get to the horn pages, you'll need to click on the underlined phrase at the bottom of the page (it's indecipherable on my screen) to get to the next page. Richard in Seattle ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Kruspe and Benge MP, band music
Dawn, I think that there is another answer: You simply aren't seeing the music that has the good horn parts. Trust me, there are composers and arrangers of modern band music who definitely know how to write good horn parts. Carlisle On Nov 24, 2007, at 9:12 PM, Dawn McCandless wrote: [snip] One other listing I saw quickly was about horn arrangements for band. There definitely needs to be more harmony and melody in modern band arrangements for horn. There is so much more to the horn than just a back up drum (omm-pah's) or all the horns having the same one line harmony. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] kruspe reply
The minimum asking for the horn is not really a question that can be fully answered except to say it is being sold with no reserve. Also, that it is only for sale in the U.S. Canada because of other problems I've had shipping these kinds of things over seas. It took 3 months for a mouthpiece to get to one country. According to our USPS it left our country 3 days after I sent it out. The buyer didn't receive it for 3 months! Had to have the post office do a search, etc. Their country said it was lost and on the problem went. My nerves can't handle that kind of worry any more. I am hoping that those looking for it will know the true value of it. Some times in life one just has to do what they have to do in order to keep the family together. I play in a couple city bands and in church so I will not get rid of my main horn. When the day comes that I will never be able to play my heart will be broken for sure. That won't necessarily be good for the family either. The Kruspe is on eBay right now and I know there aren't many other Kruspe horns on eBay, if any, at least not in the U.S. eBay stores. Mostly, I know there are those out there that will appreciate the horn so I hate to keep it to myself when others might appreciate it more than me. I should keep a horn around to have if my good one needs repairs. But, at the same time, if that is the only reason I need it around then it's kind of a waste of a horn that needs to be in someone elses hands. Dawn Marie ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] kruspe answer
It is a single horn in F. Looked up the pictures on line and it is definately a Leipzig model. I've had a long time set up with eBay to sell a few things here and there. Mostly buy my guitar supplies and watch for necessary brass things to buy such as my son's sused baritone, etc. When the stupid city codes comes along and kicks one out of their house because the stupid gas company turned off their gas other priorities come into affect. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] kruspe answer
What will your minimum be if I might ask? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn McCandless Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 1:20 PM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] kruspe answer It is a single horn in F. Looked up the pictures on line and it is definately a Leipzig model. I've had a long time set up with eBay to sell a few things here and there. Mostly buy my guitar supplies and watch for necessary brass things to buy such as my son's sused baritone, etc. When the stupid city codes comes along and kicks one out of their house because the stupid gas company turned off their gas other priorities come into affect. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/huntt%40waldorf.edu ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Kruspe horn- last call
Hi Everyone, Due to sudden crisis in our lives other things are more important to us right now I have decided to sell my battered Kruspe single horn. I know eBay is unconventional for professional horn people. I'm just letting you know if this is allowed. That is where I occasionally sell a few things to put food on the table and the like. I'm sure most of you that are looking for Kruspe horns probably check out eBay but just in case you don't D.M.M. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Kruspe horn- last call
Try the hornplayer first. Talk to Ken Pope and te Brss Arts Unlimited folks first. Is it a single f or Bb? tom in iowa From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Dawn McCandless Sent: Sun 11/18/2007 9:15 PM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Kruspe horn- last call Hi Everyone, Due to sudden crisis in our lives other things are more important to us right now I have decided to sell my battered Kruspe single horn. I know eBay is unconventional for professional horn people. I'm just letting you know if this is allowed. That is where I occasionally sell a few things to put food on the table and the like. I'm sure most of you that are looking for Kruspe horns probably check out eBay but just in case you don't D.M.M. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/huntt%40waldorf.edu ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Kruspe horn- last call
On Nov 18, 2007, at 10:00 PM, Hunt,Thomas wrote: Try the hornplayer first. Talk to Ken Pope and te Brss Arts Unlimited folks first. This gives me an opportunity to plug the newly redesigned IHS Online web site, which includes a new and vastly improved marketplace, where members can buy, sell and trade instruments and equipment. http://www.hornsociety.org/component/option,com_marketplace/Itemid,60/ Dan Dan Phillips Website Manager International Horn Society [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Kruspe model
Thank you all for your help with the horn. I am on a relatives computer that was able to get the Japanese site with the pictures. It is a 1930 Waldhorn in F Modell Leipzig. Thank you all! Dawn Marie ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Kruspe trim
A bit more on the Kruspe: The rotor caps, slide casings, lead pipe, little finger hook, thumb hook, the ferrule where the bell flare meets the body of the horn, brace to bell and diamond shaped plate on the bell are silver colored. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Kruspe trim
Dawn: Nickel-silver braces, rotor caps, valve slide casings, etc. as you describe are standard practice on most brass horns. But where is the worn ring you describe? Is it around the bell throat or the perimeter (rim) of the bell? Some horns have an ornamental krantz (wreath) in a contrasting metal applied to the rim of the bell. However, it seems pretty unlikely that this horn would have had one that was later removed. Self-sticking tape (like electrician's tape) applied to brass can sometimes affect the lacquer and discolor the area under it if left on for a long period. Richard in Seattle Dawn McCandless wrote: A bit more on the Kruspe: The rotor caps, slide casings, lead pipe, little finger hook, thumb hook, the ferrule where the bell flare meets the body of the horn, brace to bell and diamond shaped plate on the bell are silver colored. snip What really struck me as odd was around the outside of the bell there is a worn spot encircling the bell- where the lacquer is pretty void as if something else had been there at one time. It really looks like there might have been a tone ring on the bell. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Kruspe question
Hi Dawn: As far as I know, Kruspe horns rarely, if ever, had actual production serial numbers. What they often had, however, was the design patent number engraved on the bell below the Kruspe eagle trademark. The design patent number is commonly preceded by the initials D.R.G.M (Deutsches Reich Geschuetz Nummer), for example D.R.G.M. 1027194, which is the design patent number for the Kruspe New Symphony or Walter Kruspe full double horn (not the Horner model). Most Kruspe horn designs had specific design patent numbers. If you do find an actual serial number, I'd love to hear about it. If the horn is engraved Made in Germany it was probably intended for export, not domestic use. My guess is that it predates WW2. A large number of German horns were imported into the United States during the 1920s and 1930s for professional and student use. This stopped, of course, during the war and didn't restart until German industrial reconstruction in the early 1950s, and only then from the Western Zone. Alexander, for example, being in Mainz was in West Germany (BRD), while Kruspe (Erfurt) and Knopf (Markneukirchen) were in East Germany (DDR) and able to export to the West only in very small numbers, either under stringent state supervision or the occasional smuggled instrument. You can see the current Kruspe setup on their website http://www.edkruspe.de/index_en.html It's a little difficult to navigate, but does have an English version with a brief history of the company. Richard in Seattle Dawn McCandless wrote: Hi, Just obtained an old Single Kruspe horn. Where would one find any serial numbers? There is a 16 on the bottom of the middle valve cap. Is that it? The horn is brass, has string rotors and says: EDKRUSPE, ERFURT and Made in Germany. It was the previous owners fathers horn and he is 85 now and they guess the horn is about 65 years old. That puts it about 1942 from those estimates. It's not in perfect condition and, unfortunately, has hints of red rot. Couple dings. The keys were clacky, but quieted down with thick key oil. Before oiling the rotors I pulled the 3 slides and they did pop when pulled out. It has a wonderful tone. Guess despite it's appearance and old age problems it isn't dead yet! Oh, I do have another question. How did they consider these single horns back then? Was it made as a student horn as they tell people single horns are now a days (at least here in the states... ). Or, is it considered a normal horn despite the fact it is a single horn in F? Dawn Marie ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Kruspe question
I would doubt that any horns were made in Germany in 1942 for any purpose: brass was a critical material. Does anyone know for sure? In fact, I'm still surprised that horns were made in the US in 1945. My first horn was a King, brand new, in 1945. It was the Kruspe copy with the upside down change valve. That was an awkward change valve. To me it was at least as awkward as the Schmidt piston change valve. Herb Foster --- Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Dawn McCandless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just obtained an old Single Kruspe horn. Where would one find any serial numbers? There is a 16 on the bottom of the middle valve cap. Is that it? The horn is brass, has string rotors and says: EDKRUSPE, ERFURT and Made in Germany. It was the previous owners fathers horn and he is 85 now and they guess the horn is about 65 years old. That puts it about 1942 from those estimates. It's not in perfect condition and, unfortunately, has hints of red rot. Couple dings. The keys were clacky, but quieted down with thick key oil. Before oiling the rotors I pulled the 3 slides and they did pop when pulled out. It has a wonderful tone. Guess despite it's appearance and old age problems it isn't dead yet! Oh, I do have another question. How did they consider these single horns back then? Was it made as a student horn as they tell people single horns are now a days (at least here in the states... ). Or, is it considered a normal horn despite the fact it is a single horn in F? Dawn Marie ___ The serial # most likely will be found on the bridge forming the seat for the paddle axle bearings. Try a look below the paddles. If 1942 would be true, it hardly would have been exported to the USA as a new item. German F horns could be had in simple versions intended for students or fully pro versions with full nickel silver trim. If 1942 would be true, then the most likely purpose would have been as a German military band instrument. I very much would like a thorough photo documentation of this instrument in 300dpi jpg or pdf formats: full front and back, technical details, and readable shots of all engravings. All photos rather mimicking blueprints rather than expressing artistic photography. Background: as little and as neutral as possible. For security reasons neither ownership nor photography is credited. My project of presenting catalogue scans and brass instruments photos already holds a number of Kruspe instruments. The index may be found here: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/YorkMasterPublicPhotosIII/files/ Contributions of material for the project are most welcome! Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre in Denmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Kruspe question
Richard's description of pre-WW II Kruspe horns matches, for the most part, my horn. I bought my double Kruspe in 1940. I was told then it was about twenty years old, so that would mean the horn was built around 1920. As far as I can see, there is nothing that looks like a typical serial number on the instrument; there is, however, a two digit number on the third valve assembly. Although it's an unusual spot for a serial number, perhaps that was meant to be one. In addition to the Kruspe eagle trademark, (including Ed. Kruspe Erfurt), there are the words New Symphony Model, Made in Germany. Because of this, I'd always assumed that the instrument was made primarily for export to the U.S. (and possibly other English speaking countries). After about a 20 to 25 year hiatus from playing horn, I started again about a year and a half ago. The horn still holds its own among all the Conns, Schmids, Paxmans, etc., in the university's horn choir in which I've been playing. (This is not to say that I'm always holding my own among all of the young students who play those other instruments!) At my age (81) I won't be in the market for a new horn. I just hope that my horn holds up at least as long as I hope to hold up. My most immediate goal is to make the IHS Symposium in Denver this summer, where I'm looking forward to meeting many of the listers whose posts I've enjoyed reading over the past several years. Ed Glick Richard V. West [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/11/2007 2:30 AM Hi Dawn: As far as I know, Kruspe horns rarely, if ever, had actual production serial numbers. What they often had, however, was the design patent number engraved on the bell below the Kruspe eagle trademark. The design patent number is commonly preceded by the initials D.R.G.M (Deutsches Reich Geschuetz Nummer), for example D.R.G.M. 1027194, which is the design patent number for the Kruspe New Symphony or Walter Kruspe full double horn (not the Horner model). Most Kruspe horn designs had specific design patent numbers. If you do find an actual serial number, I'd love to hear about it. If the horn is engraved Made in Germany it was probably intended for export, not domestic use. My guess is that it predates WW2. A large number of German horns were imported into the United States during the 1920s and 1930s for professional and student use. This stopped, of course, during the war and didn't restart until German industrial reconstruction in the early 1950s, and only then from the Western Zone. Alexander, for example, being in Mainz was in West Germany (BRD), while Kruspe (Erfurt) and Knopf (Markneukirchen) were in East Germany (DDR) and able to export to the West only in very small numbers, either under stringent state supervision or the occasional smuggled instrument. You can see the current Kruspe setup on their website http://www.edkruspe.de/index_en.html It's a little difficult to navigate, but does have an English version with a brief history of the company. Richard in Seattle Dawn McCandless wrote: Hi, Just obtained an old Single Kruspe horn. Where would one find any serial numbers? There is a 16 on the bottom of the middle valve cap. Is that it? The horn is brass, has string rotors and says: EDKRUSPE, ERFURT and Made in Germany. It was the previous owners fathers horn and he is 85 now and they guess the horn is about 65 years old. That puts it about 1942 from those estimates. It's not in perfect condition and, unfortunately, has hints of red rot. Couple dings. The keys were clacky, but quieted down with thick key oil. Before oiling the rotors I pulled the 3 slides and they did pop when pulled out. It has a wonderful tone. Guess despite it's appearance and old age problems it isn't dead yet! Oh, I do have another question. How did they consider these single horns back then? Was it made as a student horn as they tell people single horns are now a days (at least here in the states... ). Or, is it considered a normal horn despite the fact it is a single horn in F? Dawn Marie ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/glick%40unt.edu ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Kruspe question
Hi Ed: That number is presumably a part identification number. On my New Symphony Model Kruspe, the thumb valve cap and upper bearing plate are stamped with 35, while the other three valve caps and bearing plates are stamped 12, 11. and 10. My guess is that these numbers were employed to avoid confusion and make sure that the same parts were always associated with the same valve and casing. It also may be that the DRGM number was only engraved on domestic instruments and replaced with Made in Germany for export. To add to the confusion, Kruspe, like Alexander, made a number of stencil horns in the pre-war years that were sold under other brand names in the US. The Sansone-designed 5 valve Bb horn is a good example of this. Both Kruspe and Alexander made them for Sansone. Richard in Seattle Ed Glick wrote: snip As far as I can see, there is nothing that looks like a typical serial number on the instrument; there is, however, a two digit number on the third valve assembly. Although it's an unusual spot for a serial number, perhaps that was meant to be one. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Kruspe question
Hi, Just obtained an old Single Kruspe horn. Where would one find any serial numbers? There is a 16 on the bottom of the middle valve cap. Is that it? The horn is brass, has string rotors and says: EDKRUSPE, ERFURT and Made in Germany. It was the previous owners fathers horn and he is 85 now and they guess the horn is about 65 years old. That puts it about 1942 from those estimates. It's not in perfect condition and, unfortunately, has hints of red rot. Couple dings. The keys were clacky, but quieted down with thick key oil. Before oiling the rotors I pulled the 3 slides and they did pop when pulled out. It has a wonderful tone. Guess despite it's appearance and old age problems it isn't dead yet! Oh, I do have another question. How did they consider these single horns back then? Was it made as a student horn as they tell people single horns are now a days (at least here in the states... ). Or, is it considered a normal horn despite the fact it is a single horn in F? Dawn Marie ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Kruspe question
--- Dawn McCandless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just obtained an old Single Kruspe horn. Where would one find any serial numbers? There is a 16 on the bottom of the middle valve cap. Is that it? The horn is brass, has string rotors and says: EDKRUSPE, ERFURT and Made in Germany. It was the previous owners fathers horn and he is 85 now and they guess the horn is about 65 years old. That puts it about 1942 from those estimates. It's not in perfect condition and, unfortunately, has hints of red rot. Couple dings. The keys were clacky, but quieted down with thick key oil. Before oiling the rotors I pulled the 3 slides and they did pop when pulled out. It has a wonderful tone. Guess despite it's appearance and old age problems it isn't dead yet! Oh, I do have another question. How did they consider these single horns back then? Was it made as a student horn as they tell people single horns are now a days (at least here in the states... ). Or, is it considered a normal horn despite the fact it is a single horn in F? Dawn Marie ___ The serial # most likely will be found on the bridge forming the seat for the paddle axle bearings. Try a look below the paddles. If 1942 would be true, it hardly would have been exported to the USA as a new item. German F horns could be had in simple versions intended for students or fully pro versions with full nickel silver trim. If 1942 would be true, then the most likely purpose would have been as a German military band instrument. I very much would like a thorough photo documentation of this instrument in 300dpi jpg or pdf formats: full front and back, technical details, and readable shots of all engravings. All photos rather mimicking blueprints rather than expressing artistic photography. Background: as little and as neutral as possible. For security reasons neither ownership nor photography is credited. My project of presenting catalogue scans and brass instruments photos already holds a number of Kruspe instruments. The index may be found here: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/YorkMasterPublicPhotosIII/files/ Contributions of material for the project are most welcome! Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre in Denmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Kruspe history
When did Kruspe stop making horns? Is there a website that has a history of the company? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Kruspe history
They haven't. I played a new one at the Midwest Band Clinic in Chicago last December. It was being imported by Gemeinhardt. It was the classic Horner model (looks just like an 8D) and was good horn with a unique sound but a little stuffy below middle C. I liked it but thought it a little overpriced (around $7200). The company was kept alive by one or two people after WWII but is now doing well and growing. They have a current web site at http://www.edkruspe.de/ Richard Smith www.rgsmithmusic.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:03 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Kruspe history When did Kruspe stop making horns? Is there a website that has a history of the company? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/music%40rgsmithmusic.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.2/280 - Release Date: 3/13/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.2/280 - Release Date: 3/13/2006 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Kruspe history
In a message dated 3/14/2006 8:03:54 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When did Kruspe stop making horns? Is there a website that has a history of the company? Hi, I believe they're still in business. Try: _www.edkruspe.de_ (http://www.edkruspe.de) Regards,Jerry in Kansas City ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Kruspe and Geyer Wraps
Hello, I know that this topic comes up every now and then, but I hope you'll bear with me. What are the supposed advantages/disadvantages of Kruspe-style and Geyer-style wraps? Thanks in advanced! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Kruspe and Geyer Wraps
Ash Brown wrote I know that this topic comes up every now and then, but I hope you'll bear with me. What are the supposed advantages/disadvantages of Kruspe-style and Geyer-style wraps? Thanks in advanced! I suggest you look at the archives as this was discussed quite recently, perhaps a week or two ago. The consensus is that this is not a distinction worth being concerned about - a horn can be built in either wrap that is easy or hard to play, is in tune or out of tune, etc. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Kruspe vs Geyer wrap horns
Dear Steve, Thanks - couple of good resources. The answer to your question, is that the valves really only have about 12 months left - already need a heavier engine oil to keep them quiet and mobile. Thanks, Adam From: Steve Freides [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu To: 'The Horn List' horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Kruspe vs Geyer wrap horns Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 10:20:56 -0400 Adam Black wrote: Hello - I am an amateur (returning) player, looking at upgrading my current horn in the near future (a yamaha 661). I have been reading a bit on what horn may be useful. I am still a bit confused over the Geyer vs Kruspe wrapped horns - differences, pros/cons etc. Can anyone help? Any other advice in the area would be appreciated also. Welcome back! A quick Google found lots of interesting reading, most of which says the difference isn't one with which most of us need be concerned. Here's a link: http://www.google.com/search?q=Geyer+vs+Kruspe+wrapped+horns I just pasted the text from your message right into Google. Just to play devil's advocate, is there a reason you need a different horn? Perhaps having the horn you already own serviced is sufficient. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/adamblack65%40hotmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Kruspe vs Geyer wrap horns
Adam Black wrote: Hello - I am an amateur (returning) player, looking at upgrading my current horn in the near future (a yamaha 661). I have been reading a bit on what horn may be useful. I am still a bit confused over the Geyer vs Kruspe wrapped horns - differences, pros/cons etc. Can anyone help? Any other advice in the area would be appreciated also. Welcome back! A quick Google found lots of interesting reading, most of which says the difference isn't one with which most of us need be concerned. Here's a link: http://www.google.com/search?q=Geyer+vs+Kruspe+wrapped+horns I just pasted the text from your message right into Google. Just to play devil's advocate, is there a reason you need a different horn? Perhaps having the horn you already own serviced is sufficient. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Kruspe/Holton
I was interested in these posts about Kruspe's New Symphony horn that I've owned since about 1941. (I was told by my teacher, who brought this instrument to my attention, that it was about twenty years old. That would mean the horn was made some time around the early 1920s. It would appear that Jay and I have the same model. Like his horn, mine is yellow brass with a narrow nickel silver band (kranz?) around the rim and . Unlike Richard's horn (but apparently like Jay's horn), mine does not have a DRGM registration number on the bell, but does have New Symphony Model and made in German engraved on the bell in English. Is there any other information anyone else can come up this for this horn? Since it's the only horn I've ever owned I haven't bothered comparing it to other instruments, but if there are any other facts about this horn, it would be very nice to know. Ed Glick [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/29/2005 2:33:50 AM Jay: Thanks for the interesting information. I, too, have a Kruspe New Symphony model, identical in layout to yours, but in nickel-silver. It was purchased in 1961 in Stuttgart from a retiring hornplayer through the good offices of Otto Stoesser. The bore is large, as you stated, but I always felt the bell throat was more a medium flare, unlike the big throat of the Horner model Kruspe. My own theory was that Kruspe developed the New Symphony model perhaps to allow more tuning combinations than the Horner model and to provide a somewhat lighter and more flexible horn. Based on what I was told then, the horn was purchased new in 1928. Mine was definitely made for domestic use, as it has a DRGM registration number engraved on the bell under the Kruspe logo, but no Made in Germany. Richard in Seattle - Original Message - From: Jay Sewell To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 12:47 AM Subject: [Hornlist] Kruspe/Holton (was Holton's German Design team) I'm not at all familiar with the Holton horn in question, but I can shed a bit of light concerning the Kruspe New Symphony model. I bought this one as a basket case and had it restored. See link below. It is definitely made of yellow brass, and somewhat resembles the Conn 6D in overall configuration. It does have a separate Bb tuning slide on the front of the horn (see pics). As best as I can measure with my calipers, it has a .472 bore (i.e. large bore, a la 8D), and the bell throat feels to me to be the same size as an 8D or Lawson Fourier. In fact, it plays very similar to an 8D. It also has what appears to be a nickle silver krantz around the edge of the bell. The bell measures 12 1/4 in diameter. The engraving (complete with the eagle as other Kruspes), has New Symphony Model and Made in Germany spelled out in English. Perhaps intended for the English speaking export market? The best info I have on its history (from another owner) is that they were supposedly built sometime during the 1920's. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/glick%40unt.edu ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Kruspe/Holton
Jay: Thanks for the interesting information. I, too, have a Kruspe New Symphony model, identical in layout to yours, but in nickel-silver. It was purchased in 1961 in Stuttgart from a retiring hornplayer through the good offices of Otto Stoesser. The bore is large, as you stated, but I always felt the bell throat was more a medium flare, unlike the big throat of the Horner model Kruspe. My own theory was that Kruspe developed the New Symphony model perhaps to allow more tuning combinations than the Horner model and to provide a somewhat lighter and more flexible horn. Based on what I was told then, the horn was purchased new in 1928. Mine was definitely made for domestic use, as it has a DRGM registration number engraved on the bell under the Kruspe logo, but no Made in Germany. Richard in Seattle - Original Message - From: Jay Sewell To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 12:47 AM Subject: [Hornlist] Kruspe/Holton (was Holton's German Design team) I'm not at all familiar with the Holton horn in question, but I can shed a bit of light concerning the Kruspe New Symphony model. I bought this one as a basket case and had it restored. See link below. It is definitely made of yellow brass, and somewhat resembles the Conn 6D in overall configuration. It does have a separate Bb tuning slide on the front of the horn (see pics). As best as I can measure with my calipers, it has a .472 bore (i.e. large bore, a la 8D), and the bell throat feels to me to be the same size as an 8D or Lawson Fourier. In fact, it plays very similar to an 8D. It also has what appears to be a nickle silver krantz around the edge of the bell. The bell measures 12 1/4 in diameter. The engraving (complete with the eagle as other Kruspes), has New Symphony Model and Made in Germany spelled out in English. Perhaps intended for the English speaking export market? The best info I have on its history (from another owner) is that they were supposedly built sometime during the 1920's. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Kruspe/Holton (was Holton's German Design team)
date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:57:12 -0500 from: Leonard Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: [Hornlist] Holton's German Design team Wrong list or not, I had heard the same story from Farkas, he told them= =20 they had the worst horn in the business and they asked him to help design a= =20 better one. I once had my hands on a very old Kruspe that the owner said w= as the=20 horn Phil copied the layout from while he was studying with him. It had th= e=20 Holton-looking layout with the Bb tuning slide but an enormous bell. =20 Unfortunately he had let the kids at the junior high use it for years and i= t was toast. - Steve Mumford I am very bad with Holton model numbers. The Kruspe I had for a few weeks = was laid out like the standard Holton, was medium bore, and nickle silver.= It reminded me a great deal of the Holtons with that configuration. I th= ink Kruspe made that design some years after the Horner models the 8D is co= pied after. Can anyone back me up on the name New Symphony being the Kru= pse model that Holton copied? Leonard in Laredo Leonard, I'm not at all familiar with the Holton horn in question, but I can shed a bit of light concerning the Kruspe New Symphony model. I bought this one as a basket case and had it restored. See link below. It is definitely made of yellow brass, and somewhat resembles the Conn 6D in overall configuration. It does have a separate Bb tuning slide on the front of the horn (see pics). As best as I can measure with my calipers, it has a .472 bore (i.e. large bore, a la 8D), and the bell throat feels to me to be the same size as an 8D or Lawson Fourier. In fact, it plays very similar to an 8D. It also has what appears to be a nickle silver krantz around the edge of the bell. The bell measures 12 1/4 in diameter. The engraving (complete with the eagle as other Kruspes), has New Symphony Model and Made in Germany spelled out in English. Perhaps intended for the English speaking export market? The best info I have on its history (from another owner) is that they were supposedly built sometime during the 1920's. Here are a couple of pics of my horn that I uploaded last night for anyone who is interested. http://www.geocities.com/sewelljp57/index.html And to confuse the issue even more, a Kruspe catalog from 1930 published on the Japanese website below (brought to my attention by Kendall Betts) indicates that this horn was also known as the Walter model at some point in its career. http://www.geocities.co.jp/MusicHall-Horn/2569/kruspe/krusp.html Is it safe to say that the New Symphony model is not the horn that you were remembering? It sounds more like the one Steve M. was describing. Regards, Jay Sewell Granbury, Texas ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Kruspe Wendler Model
Dee Anne and others, I am afraid that you are going to have to go to the other list for my reply. It popped up there. Very strange because I know that I answered from this list. Mark L. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Kruspe Horner
Hey All, Who would you suggest I contact to make the horn's availability known out of the USA? Thanks, Paul LaFollette Toru Ikeno wrote: Greetings from Japan, Drive the Delorian and visit Japan in early 1990s. http://www.bttfmovie.com/ Japanese Yen was very strong to US dollar and nobody knows the internet. I'm sure you can sell your horn for $8000.00 Toru Ikeno ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/paullaf%40bellatlantic.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
AW: [Hornlist] Kruspe Horner
Paul, Try [EMAIL PROTECTED] He is a brass salesman and has many contacts with Japanese customers and dealers. Good luck. Sincerely, Scott H. Bacon Sales, Marketing, and Service Verkauf, Marketing, und Service Specialist in French Horn Spezialist für Waldhorn Musikhaus Dürk Steuerstraße 16a 55411 Bingen - Dromersheim Germany Telephone: 49 ((0)6725) 1507 Fax: 49 ((0)6725) 6307 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: www.DuerkHorns.de. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag von Paul S. LaFollette Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. August 2003 15:26 An: The Horn List Betreff: Re: [Hornlist] Kruspe Horner Hey All, Who would you suggest I contact to make the horn's availability known out of the USA? Thanks, Paul LaFollette Toru Ikeno wrote: Greetings from Japan, Drive the Delorian and visit Japan in early 1990s. http://www.bttfmovie.com/ Japanese Yen was very strong to US dollar and nobody knows the internet. I'm sure you can sell your horn for $8000.00 Toru Ikeno ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/paullaf%40bellatlantic.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/s.bacon%40duerkhorns.de ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Kruspe Horner
Masako Owada? She might have eight Gs to spend on a horn. Seriously though, why not list it again on hornplayer.net? http://hornplayer.net/ How about yahoo.japan? You ain't gonna get the biggest bucks from a north american, but you never know... Bob Marlatt Boston MA Who would you suggest I contact to make the horn's availability known out of the USA? Thanks, Paul LaFollette Japanese Yen was very strong to US dollar and nobody knows the internet. I'm sure you can sell your horn for $8000.00 ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Kruspe Horner
I saw that horn at Paxman, but mine is nickel silver from the 1920's (so Walt Lawson said in his appraisal) with the backwards change valve. Paul Tom Warner wrote: On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 02:58 AM, Paul S. LaFollette wrote: I've heard rumors of very high ($8000.00 to $10,000.00) prices being paid for these instruments in Japan, and wanted to know if there was any interest out there and what the best way to sell the horn would be. I had it on Hornplayer.net for a while, but it seemed to garner little interest. I don't know how it compares to yours but, there's been a Kruspe Horner available at Paxman for some time now. The price is approx $4,000US. There's a picture on the website. http://www.paxman.co.uk/ Then go horn centre second hand horns collectors horns. HTH Tom ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Kruspe Horner
Hey, All I have a Kruspe Anton Horner model I'd like to sell, and I was wondering if anyone out there knows what the demand for these types of instruments is these days. It was played in the Philadelphia Orchestra for number of years by Mr. Randy Gardner, and I have been told that it can be heard on many of the Philadelphia Orchestra recordings as second horn to Mason Jones. I've heard rumors of very high ($8000.00 to $10,000.00) prices being paid for these instruments in Japan, and wanted to know if there was any interest out there and what the best way to sell the horn would be. I had it on Hornplayer.net for a while, but it seemed to garner little interest. My best to everyone out there, and thank you all in advance for your suggestions. Paul LaFollette ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Kruspe Horner
Paul wrote: I've heard rumors of very high ($8000.00 to $10,000.00) prices being paid for these instruments in Japan, Greetings from Japan, Drive the Delorian and visit Japan in early 1990s. http://www.bttfmovie.com/ Japanese Yen was very strong to US dollar and nobody knows the internet. I'm sure you can sell your horn for $8000.00 Toru Ikeno ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Kruspe Horner
Paul: There was little interest because the world has gone Schmid crazy. Julio de la Rosa - Original Message - From: Paul S. LaFollette [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 8:58 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Kruspe Horner Hey, All I have a Kruspe Anton Horner model I'd like to sell, and I was wondering if anyone out there knows what the demand for these types of instruments is these days. It was played in the Philadelphia Orchestra for number of years by Mr. Randy Gardner, and I have been told that it can be heard on many of the Philadelphia Orchestra recordings as second horn to Mason Jones. I've heard rumors of very high ($8000.00 to $10,000.00) prices being paid for these instruments in Japan, and wanted to know if there was any interest out there and what the best way to sell the horn would be. I had it on Hornplayer.net for a while, but it seemed to garner little interest. My best to everyone out there, and thank you all in advance for your suggestions. Paul LaFollette ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jdelarosa%40ameritech.net ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Kruspe?
Very simple: Kruspe sounds exactly as crew´s - pe - the last e like in pedagogical. The emphasis is on the first syllabe. * Merry Christmas Hans When I listen to the CNN speakers notice their pronounciation of your language, I would like to stop them speaking with their idiotic much too daaark a like in Wor (war), Eeron (Iran), Eerok (Irak), Ostreejah (Austria), perhaps Oleksondah (Alexander), Poksmohn, @tsetra. Can anyone tell me, why we allow,-you on the other side of the Atlantik (perhaps Ot-lonteeck) we here in Europe-, that the English language is perverted so much, by Richard Quest Christiane Amonpour others ? This TV station (if you travel, you often have no other choice) acts like the voice of America, but sound as the voice of Kangaroo. [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Not to open up opinion time, but can someone help with the proper pronunciation of Kruspe? I have heard so many variations, I don't know where to start. Thanks, Phil ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn -- Prof.Hans Pizka email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel.: +49 89 903 9548 - www.pizka.de (horn site) with connections to www.pizka.de/Pizka-music.html (publications) - www.pizka.de/PizClasHr.htm (instruments, mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/PizWrHorn.htm (Viennese Horns) - www.pizka.de/mpiece.htm (mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/Pizka-travel.htm (pictures, stories, experiences from my travel) - open soon mail is virus checked ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Kruspe?
Ignore CNN. It is the voice of Ted Turner and others of the enlightened intelligentsia, definitely not that of America. Oh, and don't forget Pockeeston. Merry Christmas John Baumgart - Original Message - From: Prof.Hans Pizka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 1:41 AM Very simple: Kruspe sounds exactly as crew´s - pe - the last e like in pedagogical. The emphasis is on the first syllabe. * Merry Christmas Hans When I listen to the CNN speakers notice their pronounciation of your language, I would like to stop them speaking with their idiotic much too daaark a like in Wor (war), Eeron (Iran), Eerok (Irak), Ostreejah (Austria), perhaps Oleksondah (Alexander), Poksmohn, @tsetra. Can anyone tell me, why we allow,-you on the other side of the Atlantik (perhaps Ot-lonteeck) we here in Europe-, that the English language is perverted so much, by Richard Quest Christiane Amonpour others ? This TV station (if you travel, you often have no other choice) acts like the voice of America, but sound as the voice of Kangaroo. ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Kruspe?
Achah ! Wherre arre yoo umming fdom, sirr ? Arrent you priviledsched ? Are you dearer ? - Sorry, with all the Intel-ee-gen-tsia, the half Chinese cheap maker. Merry Christmas John Hans ... John Baumgart [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Ignore CNN. It is the voice of Ted Turner and others of the enlightened intelligentsia, definitely not that of America. Oh, and don't forget Pockeeston. Merry Christmas John Baumgart - Original Message - From: Prof.Hans Pizka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 1:41 AM Very simple: Kruspe sounds exactly as crew´s - pe - the last e like in pedagogical. The emphasis is on the first syllabe. * Merry Christmas Hans When I listen to the CNN speakers notice their pronounciation of your language, I would like to stop them speaking with their idiotic much too daaark a like in Wor (war), Eeron (Iran), Eerok (Irak), Ostreejah (Austria), perhaps Oleksondah (Alexander), Poksmohn, @tsetra. Can anyone tell me, why we allow,-you on the other side of the Atlantik (perhaps Ot-lonteeck) we here in Europe-, that the English language is perverted so much, by Richard Quest Christiane Amonpour others ? This TV station (if you travel, you often have no other choice) acts like the voice of America, but sound as the voice of Kangaroo. ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn -- Prof.Hans Pizka email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel.: +49 89 903 9548 - www.pizka.de (horn site) with connections to www.pizka.de/Pizka-music.html (publications) - www.pizka.de/PizClasHr.htm (instruments, mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/PizWrHorn.htm (Viennese Horns) - www.pizka.de/mpiece.htm (mouthpieces) www.pizka.de/Pizka-travel.htm (pictures, stories, experiences from my travel) - open soon mail is virus checked ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] Kruspe?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Not to open up opinion time, but can someone help with the proper pronunciation of Kruspe? I have heard so many variations, I don't know where to start. Thanks, Phil ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
[Hornlist] Kruspe wrap popularity gaining?
In the USA, it seems that there are several new versions of Kruspe wrap horns being introduced and gaining in popularity - for example - Holton Merker, Patterson, Patterson conversion, Atkinson, Osmun conversion, new Yamaha 668II, and maybe others. Also the new 8D's seem to continue to be popular and with somewhat less 'bad press'. It seemed that for a while the Geyer wrap, and 'smaller throated' horns were all the rage. Has the pendulum swung back towards the 'big horn' sound for the USA market? I KNOW that the choice of horn type is usually a personal matter, and that great horns can be found in all configurations, but it is interesting to understand how 'market trends' seem to occur. For you players who receive (or give) 'advice' or 'suggestions' from your teachers and/or business associates, have you seen any emphasis towards the bigger horns? Jay Kosta Endwell NY USA ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Kruspe wrap popularity gaining?
I'm curious why it matters. There are plenty of people who play each general style - I say play what you like... B On Wednesday, November 27, 2002, at 04:59 PM, J. Kosta wrote: It seemed that for a while the Geyer wrap, and 'smaller throated' horns were all the rage. Has the pendulum swung back towards the 'big horn' sound for the USA market? Bob Ward Acting Principal Horn San Francisco Symphony http://home.earthlink.net/~rnward ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
Re: [Hornlist] Kruspe wrap popularity gaining?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] The Kruspe vs. Geyer debate will probably continue for many years. In addition to preference, don't forget that the popular style is very regional. I play a Merker (very happily), and live near Chicago. Phil Jacobs ___ Horn mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn
