[Hornlist] RE: Cryogenics
One thing I would LOVE to see in these blind tests (cryogenic) is the removal of the financial influence. I guarantee you that if someone pays a large amount for a repair on their horn - they'll be influenced to think that their instrument feels different. (Otherwise they'd be embarrassed to say they spent hundreds on their instrument for what some would call smoke and mirrors). Like I say, give me your horn and a few hundred dollars, and it will feel different. (tongue in cheek here). Wouldn't it be great if there really was something that was either only neutral or positive for your horn? (it won't make a bad horn worse, but it can make a good horn better???). Sincerely Ken Pope Just Put Your Lips Together And Blow http://www.poperepair.com US Dealer: Kuhn Horns ORIGINAL Bonna Cases Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham Street Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 617-522-0532 * ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Hello Bob. At first: A professional player should not use an instrument which has bad notes, as you say. The chipped notes are produced by several causes. One is setting the slides at the wrong position voluntarily or by routine or by error or accident. Error accident are the most possible causes. How often is the third slide pushed in too far by accident, special if the slides are greased very well. So the third slide might cause the g# on the top to flip, as you attack it right but the note is too sharp you try to correct it spontaneously, - so the accident happen. Error - well by missing necessary care. Voluntarily - some players (self established semi-pros included) have set all slides full in lip all down or up. No wonder about the catastrophes. Second cause for the chipped notes: Wrong fingering. Most of us, we use a double have a multitude of fingerings for many notes. If there are delicate entrances, why not using the alternative fingerings so to ride on the most secure harmonic ? I for myself do not use them as I do not need them. And we have learned the advantages of both sides of the horn. But many stay stubbornly on the one or (rarely) on the other side chip notes. Third: good makers produce good instruments. If there are defects, they origine from errors which can be eliminated, but not under permanent price pressure. Good quality asks for the right price. Fourth: clonking valve linkage, well, is a minor mechanical defect, which can be eliminated easily by a good technician as you, off course. Fifth: the wrong combination of horn mouthpiece contributes the same amount to bad horns as opinionated players do. Sixth: there are different measures regarding amateurs, but should not be. Honesty is required here. Seventh: Cryogenics or other methodes are not suited to improve a junk horn. Eigth: Cryogenics might have an effect or not, but it surely has a psychological effect on the player. And, as some people believe it, give them this service. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Osmun Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 3:44 PM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: cryogenics Hi Hans, I agree with you 100%. It's the player who makes the sound, hits the notes, plays in tune, and, most important, plays with intelligence, subtlety, beauty, and taste. However, given the above, every player ought to try to play on the best (most suitable, most reliable, most able to realize the player's intentions) instrument he can obtain. And, that instrument needs to be in the best condition possible. How many performances have you heard that have been marred by clacking valves or chipped notes caused by a performer trying to attack a note that is far out of tune on his instrument? Correcting these deficiencies in no way relieves the player from responsibility for his performance. Cryogenic treatment is one more technique used to improve instruments. We have done this process to several hundred instruments over the years and have had during that time one customer who thought nothing had been done and one who thought it made his horn worse. A pretty good track record, I think. If the difference it makes is subtle, well, this is a business of subtlety. As for the reports of physicists (who also tell us that the material of which a horn is made has no influence on the sound), and Selmer's test to see if high school players and amateurs could tell the difference, I have to give equal weight to the many world-class players who have found a positive improvement. I find that most of the critiques of cryogenic processing come from people with no experience with it. Regards, Bob Osmun www.osmun.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hans Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 9:58 AM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: cryogenics If all the playing depends on the improvement of the instrument, you should inspect the horns used by the Vienna Phil horn players wonder how they get their beautiful sound playing ?? If you inspect their horns, you would not expect this result. No cryogenics, no ultrasonic experiments, some petroleum as lubrificant mixed with eau de Cologne (4711) to compensate the odour, not much cleaning, etc.etc. - I repeat, it is the player who makes the music == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon Varnam Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 2:31 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Re: cryogenics I read the article at the link given before. I wonder if the improvement he speaks of is caused not by the freezing but by the ultrasonic cleaning that he gives
[Hornlist] Re: cryogenics
Ah, again we find something we can agree upon. I'm preparing to go out and do that right now! Joyce date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:02:05 +0200 from: hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: cryogenics Hello Joyce, you should practise alpacca-wrestling to improve your technique so the alpacca gets the shots easier quicker. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hurricane Chinooks I couldn't agree with this more. A pro, or perhaps even a good student, could play on one of those cheap import singles and make them sound respectable... As a matter of fact, I just came in from wrestling with an alpaca so the vet could give the alpaca his annual shots. (Yes, we rolled a full 360, with me hanging onto him the whole way in a very unpleasant part of the pasture, but he got his shots!--probably more information than you need... Joyce Maley Hurricane Alpacas, http://www.myalpacas.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/496 - Release Date: 10/24/2006 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: cryogenics
Bill Gross wrote: Yes, but what Kopprasch etude would be ideal for him to use to improve this technique? Hans Pizka wrote: Hello Joyce, you should practise alpacca-wrestling to improve your technique so the alpacca gets the shots easier quicker. No. 1, of course. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: cryogenics
I read the article at the link given before. I wonder if the improvement he speaks of is caused not by the freezing but by the ultrasonic cleaning that he gives the instruments beforehand. Simon ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: cryogenics
If all the playing depends on the improvement of the instrument, you should inspect the horns used by the Vienna Phil horn players wonder how they get their beautiful sound playing ?? If you inspect their horns, you would not expect this result. No cryogenics, no ultrasonic experiments, some petroleum as lubrificant mixed with eau de Cologne (4711) to compensate the odour, not much cleaning, etc.etc. - I repeat, it is the player who makes the music == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon Varnam Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 2:31 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Re: cryogenics I read the article at the link given before. I wonder if the improvement he speaks of is caused not by the freezing but by the ultrasonic cleaning that he gives the instruments beforehand. Simon ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: cryogenics
Hi Hans, I agree with you 100%. It's the player who makes the sound, hits the notes, plays in tune, and, most important, plays with intelligence, subtlety, beauty, and taste. However, given the above, every player ought to try to play on the best (most suitable, most reliable, most able to realize the player's intentions) instrument he can obtain. And, that instrument needs to be in the best condition possible. How many performances have you heard that have been marred by clacking valves or chipped notes caused by a performer trying to attack a note that is far out of tune on his instrument? Correcting these deficiencies in no way relieves the player from responsibility for his performance. Cryogenic treatment is one more technique used to improve instruments. We have done this process to several hundred instruments over the years and have had during that time one customer who thought nothing had been done and one who thought it made his horn worse. A pretty good track record, I think. If the difference it makes is subtle, well, this is a business of subtlety. As for the reports of physicists (who also tell us that the material of which a horn is made has no influence on the sound), and Selmer's test to see if high school players and amateurs could tell the difference, I have to give equal weight to the many world-class players who have found a positive improvement. I find that most of the critiques of cryogenic processing come from people with no experience with it. Regards, Bob Osmun www.osmun.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hans Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 9:58 AM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: cryogenics If all the playing depends on the improvement of the instrument, you should inspect the horns used by the Vienna Phil horn players wonder how they get their beautiful sound playing ?? If you inspect their horns, you would not expect this result. No cryogenics, no ultrasonic experiments, some petroleum as lubrificant mixed with eau de Cologne (4711) to compensate the odour, not much cleaning, etc.etc. - I repeat, it is the player who makes the music == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon Varnam Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 2:31 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Re: cryogenics I read the article at the link given before. I wonder if the improvement he speaks of is caused not by the freezing but by the ultrasonic cleaning that he gives the instruments beforehand. Simon ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/rosmun%40osmun.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: cryogenics
I couldn't agree with this more. A pro, or perhaps even a good student, could play on one of those cheap import singles and make them sound respectable. However, for some, whose playing is similar to mine, I still find that getting a horn, mouthpiece and other enhancements that assist me, can make a remarkable difference to what I present to an audience. Although I feel I'm still improving, I'm not on a steep learning curve, as I have chosen to dedicate the majority of my time to other endeavors this year. As a matter of fact, I just came in from wrestling with an alpaca so the vet could give the alpaca his annual shots. (Yes, we rolled a full 360, with me hanging onto him the whole way in a very unpleasant part of the pasture, but he got his shots!--probably more information than you need. My issue is that although I'm still improving, I do not have hours to practice each day and often find myself only able to play a few times a week right now. I still want to present the best product I can to an audience and to do that I often search out equipment that will assist me. Hopefully next year will be a more practice/performance friendly year. Until then, I'm hoping that the audience will forgive my leaning on equipment for help in presenting to them the best performance I can. Joyce Maley Hurricane Alpacas, http://www.myalpacas.com date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:57:34 +0200 from: hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: cryogenics If all the playing depends on the improvement of the instrument, you should inspect the horns used by the Vienna Phil horn players wonder how they get their beautiful sound playing ?? If you inspect their horns, you would not expect this result. No cryogenics, no ultrasonic experiments, some petroleum as lubrificant mixed with eau de Cologne (4711) to compensate the odour, not much cleaning, etc.etc. - I repeat, it is the player who makes the music -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/493 - Release Date: 10/23/2006 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: cryogenics
In a message dated 10/24/2006 10:54:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If the difference it makes is subtle, well, this is a business of subtlety. As for the reports of physicists (who also tell us that the material of which a horn is made has no influence on the sound), and Selmer's test to see if high school players and amateurs could tell the difference, I have to give equal weight to the many world-class players who have found a positive improvement. I find that most of the critiques of cryogenic processing come from people with no experience with it. -- Bob, Clearly, your experience and knowlege of the cryogenic process puts you in the for it camp. Myself, I am neutral based on everything I have read. But, I know many players have told me how much better their horns are after the process. Would you please elucidate what you believe to be the benefits to one's horn? What does the process do, exactly? I am honestly curious to know because no one has yet explained to me just exactly what those benefits are, at least in a cogent way. I've heard all kinds of phrases like reverse annealing and such that mean nothing to me. It would be good to read an explanation from someone who is knowledgable. Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Hello Joyce, you should practise alpacca-wrestling to improve your technique so the alpacca gets the shots easier quicker. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hurricane Chinooks Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 6:59 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Re: cryogenics I couldn't agree with this more. A pro, or perhaps even a good student, could play on one of those cheap import singles and make them sound respectable. However, for some, whose playing is similar to mine, I still find that getting a horn, mouthpiece and other enhancements that assist me, can make a remarkable difference to what I present to an audience. Although I feel I'm still improving, I'm not on a steep learning curve, as I have chosen to dedicate the majority of my time to other endeavors this year. As a matter of fact, I just came in from wrestling with an alpaca so the vet could give the alpaca his annual shots. (Yes, we rolled a full 360, with me hanging onto him the whole way in a very unpleasant part of the pasture, but he got his shots!--probably more information than you need. My issue is that although I'm still improving, I do not have hours to practice each day and often find myself only able to play a few times a week right now. I still want to present the best product I can to an audience and to do that I often search out equipment that will assist me. Hopefully next year will be a more practice/performance friendly year. Until then, I'm hoping that the audience will forgive my leaning on equipment for help in presenting to them the best performance I can. Joyce Maley Hurricane Alpacas, http://www.myalpacas.com date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:57:34 +0200 from: hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: cryogenics If all the playing depends on the improvement of the instrument, you should inspect the horns used by the Vienna Phil horn players wonder how they get their beautiful sound playing ?? If you inspect their horns, you would not expect this result. No cryogenics, no ultrasonic experiments, some petroleum as lubrificant mixed with eau de Cologne (4711) to compensate the odour, not much cleaning, etc.etc. - I repeat, it is the player who makes the music -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/493 - Release Date: 10/23/2006 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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In a message dated 10/24/2006 6:58:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From my own experience yhorns that have been cryo'd feel more comfortable, more like you're in the sound instead of on top of it. Some people feel it makes the horn feel older and takes away the new-horn edge. --- Bob, This is very much like the type of comment I hear from players who've had their horns cryogenically treated. I guess I was more interested in what physically happens to the horn. My suspicion (purely a guess) is that when it works it is not really doing anything to the metal of the tubing but more likely to the solder joints, hence the old horn feel. I've talked with a couple aerospace metallurgists who feel that it can't possibly do anything to a non-ferrous alloy, and when I present my solder joint theory they've agreed that it's possible. But, as you pointed out, complete testing is likely prohibitive, so theories will abound. Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] RE: Cryogenics
Having worked at Osmun Brass when cryogenics was first coming onto the scene I did some research of my own at the time. Many of you have heard my opinion on cryogenic freezing many times here... however here it is once more. At the time that we were considering Cryogenic freezing I contacted my Uncle, who was the dean of Metallurgy at U.Penn, and quite well respected in his field. His response to the claims (that were made at THAT time) was that all the claims were true HOWEVER,,, since it wasn't a god fearing metal meaning a ferrous metal, the brass would return to its exact original state when it returned to room temperature. Cryogenics works well with steel... but does nothing to brass. Recently one of the large musical instrument makers did their own double blind study (I believe it was Selmer - but I may be wrong) - and concluded that the cryogenic process did absolutely nothing to the instruments. If I can find the link (or if someone has it) I'll post it on my website for you all to read. Though I respect Bob immensely, I disagree with him entirely on this process. My feeling is that is someone gives me their horn, and $300.00 (or what ever it costs) - their horn will play differently... Ken (in full support of THE Voice) Just Put Your Lips Together And Blow http://www.poperepair.com US Dealer: Kuhn Horns Bonna Cases Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham Street Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 617-522-0532 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] RE: Cryogenics
Ibuprofen is lots cheaper. -AC. My feeling is that if someone gives me their horn, and $300.00 (or whatever it costs) - their horn will play differently. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.4 - Release Date: 4/27/2005 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] RE: Cryogenics Phenomenon
There is another phenomenon that should be discussed here... That is that the more someone pays for a 'procedure' the more they tend to believe the claims. I say try charging $5.00 for it... and see what the results look like then!!! Ken Bob says: It seems to me that, when confronted by an unexplained phenomenon that has been confirmed by many experienced musicians, the thoughtful scientist would be looking for an experiment to explain it, not casually dismissing it as a scam. Just Put Your Lips Together And Blow http://www.poperepair.com US Dealer: Kuhn Horns Bonna Cases Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham Street Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 617-522-0532 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] RE: cryogenics
I even found a site that does cryogenics on softball bats - and it claims you can hit the ball farther! :) Ken Just Put Your Lips Together And Blow U.S. Dealer: Ricco Kühn and Dietmar Dürk Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham Street Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 617-522-0532 ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] RE: cryogenics
With the changes brought on by having a horn cryogenically frozen being so subtle, I suspect you have to be a much better horn player than I am in order to notice any difference. Suppose I spring to have the old Yamaha YHR-668N (or Lawson 804 or Alexander 103, or Pattersonized Conn 8D, or Selmer Bundy, or whatever) dunked in liquid nitrogen for however long it takes. Then after the horn defrosts reaches room temperature once again I pucker up blow, how am I going to know whether anything has changed (much less changed for the better)? Also, am I supposed to get my mouthpiece(s) frozen, too, or just the horn? What about the case? Plus, what if I do notice a difference after cryogenic treatment of the horn, the difference is that the horn plays worse instead of better? Is there another process available to reverse the effects of unsatisfactory cryogenics? Say, X-ray treatment? Radionuclide exposure? If I get those done, do I have to wear a tinfoil hat any time I play the horn? If I'm going to pop for anything that tricky on my horn, won't I be better off investing in something less subtle? Say, screwbell conversion? Silver dimes or gold florins on the 1-2-3 valve levers? Platinum plating? Diamond-studded, depleted-uranium valve caps? Corinthian leather horn case with high-tech America's Cup sailcloth Velcro-closure case cover? -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~ I even found a site that does cryogenics on softball bats - and it claims you can hit the ball farther! ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] RE: cryogenics
Don't forget Feng Shui within your horn case, and perhaps finding your horn's Chi (sp?) -William In a message dated 10/17/2003 9:05:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj: Re: [Hornlist] RE: cryogenics Date: 10/17/2003 9:05:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time From: A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/A Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/A To: A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/A, A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/A Sent from the Internet With the changes brought on by having a horn cryogenically frozen being so subtle, I suspect you have to be a much better horn player than I am in order to notice any difference. Suppose I spring to have the old Yamaha YHR-668N (or Lawson 804 or Alexander 103, or Pattersonized Conn 8D, or Selmer Bundy, or whatever) dunked in liquid nitrogen for however long it takes. Then after the horn defrosts reaches room temperature once again I pucker up blow, how am I going to know whether anything has changed (much less changed for the better)? Also, am I supposed to get my mouthpiece(s) frozen, too, or just the horn? What about the case? Plus, what if I do notice a difference after cryogenic treatment of the horn, the difference is that the horn plays worse instead of better? Is there another process available to reverse the effects of unsatisfactory cryogenics? Say, X-ray treatment? Radionuclide exposure? If I get those done, do I have to wear a tinfoil hat any time I play the horn? If I'm going to pop for anything that tricky on my horn, won't I be better off investing in something less subtle? Say, screwbell conversion? Silver dimes or gold florins on the 1-2-3 valve levers? Platinum plating? Diamond-studded, depleted-uranium valve caps? Corinthian leather horn case with high-tech America's Cup sailcloth Velcro-closure case cover? -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~ I even found a site that does cryogenics on softball bats - and it claims you can hit the ball farther! ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/valkhorn%40aol.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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I don't know... ...aren't those a bit, well, subtle? -AC. Don't forget Feng Shui within your horn case, and perhaps finding your horn's Chi (sp?) ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Cryogenics
Cryogenics is a great idea. Can't live with it, can't live without it. Sincerely, Ted Williams. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Cryogenics
Oh I don't know. If you have 3 hours to kill, come hear the Boston Ballet orchestra polish a terd called Don Quioxte, lovingly dropped by that legendary 19th century tunemeister, Minkus. Ug. Bob Marlatt Boston MA from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Very good point. Regarding the very old instrument, well if the instrument is not very good to begin with I don't care how much you polish it it won't become a Porsche overnight. It's like the old adage you can't polish a terd. Work on the basics first, because 90% of horn players that struggling are sometimes getting 90% of the basics wrong. Use a good embochoure, good air support, play on the thigh or off the bell (this aids in back and breathe support) and work on the fundamentals. Bob Marlatt A trumpet player could tell you the difference in sound if you painted an x on his mouthpiece...but only if he actually saw the x and paid at least $40 to have it done. from: Eldon Matlick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Supposedly cryogenic treatment of an instrument will reduce metal stress made by metal working procedures in manufacter or repair. Any Our trumpet professor has had several of his instruments treated and he notices a distinct difference. I had a very old instrument treated ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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In a message dated 10/17/2003 9:06:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If I'm going to pop for anything that tricky on my horn, won't I be better off investing in something less subtle? Say, screwbell conversion? Silver dimes or gold florins on the 1-2-3 valve levers? Platinum plating? Diamond-studded, depleted-uranium valve caps? Corinthian leather horn case with high-tech America's Cup sailcloth Velcro-closure case cover? -- Alan Cole, rank amateur McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA. ~ .. or lessons?? Regards,Jerry in Kansas City ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Cryogenics
A trumpet player could tell you the difference in sound if you painted an x on his mouthpiece...but only if he actually saw the x and paid at least $40 to have it done. Bob Marlatt Boston MA from: Eldon Matlick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Supposedly cryogenic treatment of an instrument will reduce metal stress made by metal working procedures in manufacter or repair. Any Our trumpet professor has had several of his instruments treated and he notices a distinct difference. I had a very old instrument treated ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Cryogenics
No point in freezing a single F Bundy played in junior high school on an old Conn No. 2 mouthpiece, eh? -AC. ~ Also, the more accomplished the player, the more likely they will notice the benefit of the cryogenic treatment. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Cryogenics
At 9:33 AM -0400 10/14/03, Alan Cole wrote: No point in freezing a single F Bundy played in junior high school on an old Conn No. 2 mouthpiece, eh? -AC. Well, the better the instrument, the better the player can play, at any level. Carlberg Jones Guanajuato, Gto. MEXICO ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] RE: cryogenics....
Don't get me going... ;) Ken Pope Just Put Your Lips Together And Blow U.S. Dealer: Ricco Kühn and Dietmar Dürk Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham Street Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 617-522-0532 ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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