Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags
I have tried a number of different gig bags, and my preference is the Pro-tec gig bag, which retails for around $135-140. It is well padded and has a substantial stiffener for the bell flare. Despite the feet on the bottom, they do tend to just roll over when you set them down. I've been using them with success and no injuries for about 4 years. While they don't have backpack straps, they do have an over-shoulder strap. For maximum safety, I recommend NOT using the strap but holding the case in front of you where you can see the obstructions to it clearly. However I don't always follow my own advice. I picked up a couple of the Gator lightweight semi-hard cases for instruments I sell, and find them to be of good construction. However the interior is oversized, so you'll need to make some additional padding to keep the horn from moving around. This type of construction is very popular in string instrument cases. The shell is made up of molded styrofoam, covered with heavy nylon and lined with velour, velvet, taffeta or whatever. There is little or no case hardware - instead the nylon case just zips up and handles are sewn onto the case. While it reduces the weight and does provide very good impact absorption (bicycle helmets are mostly styrofoam forms with decorative covers), the rigid form is still a bit awkward when worn as a backpack. I'd estimate it is marginally more safe than the Pro-tec gig bag. I would guess the Pro-tec lightweight case is of similar construction, but I have never looked at one. Richard Hirsh ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Thank you for your input, everyone. I have, thanks to members of the list, both a Pro Tec case and an alligator case for my horn on the way to me, and possibly a gig bag as well. I will try all the options and see how each works out for me, and report back at some later date. -S- On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Herbert Foster herb_fos...@yahoo.com wrote: That's true. I have a daughter for whom we bought a new trombone, with case when she was in middle school. 17 years later it is in pristine condition. She has used it constantly and traveled the world with it. She's also good at sweet-talking her trombone on board airliners with her. Herb Foster From: valkh...@aol.com valkh...@aol.com To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Sunday, February 1, 2009 4:14:31 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags Thanks. I also might add that some people could use no case and would have a dent-free horn, while others would manage to dent their horn even if it was safe in a Sherman tank. -William In a message dated 2/1/2009 4:12:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jer...@sublymerecords.com writes: Lawrence - Maybe I'm missing something, but I believe he's made his objection quite clear numerous times in every e-mail he's sent. Weight and form factor are the objections. Frankly, if I had a fixed bell horn, I would object to hard cases for the same reasons. However, I've used some gig bags in the past on my detachable bell horns and have almost always had bad luck regarding dents. The one notable exception is the Reunion Blues leather gig bag, which, in my opinion, offers better protection than many fixed bell cases. Cheers- Jeremy ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve.freides%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags
That's true. I have a daughter for whom we bought a new trombone, with case when she was in middle school. 17 years later it is in pristine condition. She has used it constantly and traveled the world with it. She's also good at sweet-talking her trombone on board airliners with her. Herb Foster From: valkh...@aol.com valkh...@aol.com To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Sunday, February 1, 2009 4:14:31 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags Thanks. I also might add that some people could use no case and would have a dent-free horn, while others would manage to dent their horn even if it was safe in a Sherman tank. -William In a message dated 2/1/2009 4:12:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jer...@sublymerecords.com writes: Lawrence - Maybe I'm missing something, but I believe he's made his objection quite clear numerous times in every e-mail he's sent. Weight and form factor are the objections. Frankly, if I had a fixed bell horn, I would object to hard cases for the same reasons. However, I've used some gig bags in the past on my detachable bell horns and have almost always had bad luck regarding dents. The one notable exception is the Reunion Blues leather gig bag, which, in my opinion, offers better protection than many fixed bell cases. Cheers- Jeremy ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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How are the hinges? I had to repair mine after 5 years when the screws pulled out of the cardboard composition shell, but I'm harder on things than my daughter (see previous post). Other than that I've been quite satisfied with the Thompson Edition case. I hope they've improved the design. A piece of wood for the screws to screw into would do it. It's very comfortable in back pack configuration. Herb Foster From: Jerry Houston jerry.hous...@comcast.net To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Sunday, February 1, 2009 5:13:29 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags On Sunday 01 February 2009 13:14:31 valkh...@aol.com wrote: Maybe I'm missing something, but I believe he's made his objection quite clear numerous times in every e-mail he's sent. Weight and form factor are the objections. Frankly, if I had a fixed bell horn, I would object to hard cases for the same reasons. However, I've used some gig bags in the past on my detachable bell horns and have almost always had bad luck regarding dents. I have Thompson Edition cases in both fixed- and cut-bell versions, and I like 'em a lot. So far, they've provided complete protection to my horns, yet they're comfortable to carry. And compared with other compact and protective cases, they're not expensive. It's been a while, but I seem to recall that mine were about $250 each. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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- Message from jer...@sublymerecords.com - I'm sure you're familiar with the principle of physics which states that energy cannot be created nor destroyed. I'd say that the question has more to do with momentum (rather than energy) conservation. Sadly, there is no perfect case, that is for sure. Of course, no case can protect your horn from a gravitational collapse, or falling into a black hole, or dropping it under a tank. But a Thompson (Bags) case is a reasonable compromise in most situations, if you are normally careful. I don't know what would happen if you had to check it, but the only two times I flied with my horn the personnel didn't even give a look to the case (though one dimension is 5 cms larger than theoretically allowed). I own two of the cut-bell type (one for me and one for my daughter) and they are easily carried on your back. Daniel ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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The only problem is hard cases are a pain in the butt and not many of them can be worn as a backpack - making carrying them quite uncomfortable for me. -William **Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://www.dell.com/co ntent/products/features.aspx/laptops_great_deals#63;c=us%26cs=19%26l=en%26s=d hs%26#126;ck=anavml) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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You're right, they're a pain. The easiest way is to tie a rope around the main tube of your horn and tie the other end around your waist then drag the horn along the floor behind you, it's much easier! :-) Cheers, Lawrence (whose Alex 103 survived 12 months undamaged in a gig bag then didn't.) 2009/2/1 valkh...@aol.com The only problem is hard cases are a pain in the butt and not many of them can be worn as a backpack - making carrying them quite uncomfortable for me. -William **Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. ( http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://www.dell.com/co ntent/products/features.aspx/laptops_great_deals#63;c=us%26cs=19%26l=en%26s=d hs%26#126;ck=anavmlhttp://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://www.dell.com/co%0Antent/products/features.aspx/laptops_great_deals#63;c=us%26cs=19%26l=en%26s=d%0Ahs%26#126;ck=anavml ) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/yateslawrence%40googlemail.com -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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As soon as they make a hard case that's easy to carry over long walking distances and that's as light as a gig back I'll buy one. Until then it's a 'dent bag' for me. Yes I have to be more careful, but I've had to walk miles with a case before and for me it's the only way. -William In a message dated 2/1/2009 3:48:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, yateslawre...@googlemail.com writes: You're right, they're a pain. The easiest way is to tie a rope around the main tube of your horn and tie the other end around your waist then drag the horn along the floor behind you, it's much easier! :-) Cheers, Lawrence (whose Alex 103 survived 12 months undamaged in a gig bag then didn't.) **Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://www.dell.com/co ntent/products/features.aspx/laptops_great_deals#63;c=us%26cs=19%26l=en%26s=d hs%26#126;ck=anavml) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Correction, that should be a dent bag, not dent back. But back to the point, when you have to deal with walking several miles with a case (airports come to mind) nothing beats something you can wear as a backpack. -William **Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://www.dell.com/co ntent/products/features.aspx/laptops_great_deals#63;c=us%26cs=19%26l=en%26s=d hs%26#126;ck=anavml) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Go busking, go work in a bar, cry to your parents, anything, but raise enough money to buy a proper hard gig bag type case - (I use a Marcus Bonna case now). It will work out cheaper than the repairs you will almost certainly have to finance later. Cheers, Lawrence 2009/2/1 valkh...@aol.com As soon as they make a hard case that's easy to carry over long walking distances and that's as light as a gig back I'll buy one. Until then it's a 'dent bag' for me. Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Assumptions assumptions. I have a Marcus Bonna case. I'm also 27 with a very well-paying job so money is not much of an issue for me. -William In a message dated 2/1/2009 3:57:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, yateslawre...@googlemail.com writes: Go busking, go work in a bar, cry to your parents, anything, but raise enough money to buy a proper hard gig bag type case - (I use a Marcus Bonna case now). It will work out cheaper than the repairs you will almost certainly have to finance later. Cheers, Lawrence **Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://www.dell.com/co ntent/products/features.aspx/laptops_great_deals#63;c=us%26cs=19%26l=en%26s=d hs%26#126;ck=anavml) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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PS - I was super-careful with my horn during the year it lived in a gig bag - the damage wasn't caused by me. 2009/2/1 Lawrence Yates yateslawre...@googlemail.com Go busking, go work in a bar, cry to your parents, anything, but raise enough money to buy a proper hard gig bag type case - (I use a Marcus Bonna case now). It will work out cheaper than the repairs you will almost certainly have to finance later. Cheers, Lawrence Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Yes, I assumed you were younger (but 27 is still very young to a codger like me!) If money is not problem, what's your objection to a hard gig bag type case? Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Well the problem is with some gigs I choose to walk to them or have to walk a bit, or in airports you again have to walk sometimes one or two miles. I also frequently hike and sometimes its nice to be able to take the horn with you for some nice quiet practice time. Like I said, until someone invents something better than a Marcus Bonna type bag then that's what I'll use. And no, MB cases do not make your horn immune to dents. -William In a message dated 2/1/2009 3:59:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, yateslawre...@googlemail.com writes: PS - I was super-careful with my horn during the year it lived in a gig bag - the damage wasn't caused by me. **Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://www.dell.com/co ntent/products/features.aspx/laptops_great_deals#63;c=us%26cs=19%26l=en%26s=d hs%26#126;ck=anavml) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Um... I said I have a Marcus Bonna :) -William In a message dated 2/1/2009 4:00:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, yateslawre...@googlemail.com writes: Yes, I assumed you were younger (but 27 is still very young to a codger like me!) If money is not problem, what's your objection to a hard gig bag type case? **Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://www.dell.com/co ntent/products/features.aspx/laptops_great_deals#63;c=us%26cs=19%26l=en%26s=d hs%26#126;ck=anavml) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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I know a repairmen who made an aircraft aluminum case that you could almost drive over. The only problem was that even though it had wheels I'm not sure I would want to cart it through a rough trail or an airport. -William In a message dated 2/1/2009 4:00:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, william.s.gr...@gmail.com writes: I imagine the repairmen in the group are reading some of this and thinking you can pay me now (buy a better case) or pay later, and later and later and later (if you stick with a gig bag). **Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://www.dell.com/co ntent/products/features.aspx/laptops_great_deals#63;c=us%26cs=19%26l=en%26s=d hs%26#126;ck=anavml) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Yes, so what's your objection to it? (Sorry, reading through my posts to you they sound very confrontational - they're not meant to - I'm just curious) Cheers, Lawrence Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Comments guys and gals have tossed out in the design of a better horn case. 1) Wheels 2) Integral garment bag. I know some folks are working on some aspects. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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I don't have any objections to them. I thought others did (hence the term gig bags)? Or are we talking about another brand? I know there are soft fabric cases out there but I don't own one. -William In a message dated 2/1/2009 4:06:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, yateslawre...@googlemail.com writes: Yes, so what's your objection to it? (Sorry, reading through my posts to you they sound very confrontational - they're not meant to - I'm just curious) Cheers, Lawrence Lawrenceyates.co.uk **Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://www.dell.com/co ntent/products/features.aspx/laptops_great_deals#63;c=us%26cs=19%26l=en%26s=d hs%26#126;ck=anavml) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Number 2 is a great idea. By the way, I can't find the link but someone came up with a one piece zip up tuxedo that looked just like a normal tux, but was much easier to put on, clean, etc. -William In a message dated 2/1/2009 4:09:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, william.s.gr...@gmail.com writes: Comments guys and gals have tossed out in the design of a better horn case. 1) Wheels 2) Integral garment bag. I know some folks are working on some aspects. **Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://www.dell.com/co ntent/products/features.aspx/laptops_great_deals#63;c=us%26cs=19%26l=en%26s=d hs%26#126;ck=anavml) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Lawrence - Maybe I'm missing something, but I believe he's made his objection quite clear numerous times in every e-mail he's sent. Weight and form factor are the objections. Frankly, if I had a fixed bell horn, I would object to hard cases for the same reasons. However, I've used some gig bags in the past on my detachable bell horns and have almost always had bad luck regarding dents. The one notable exception is the Reunion Blues leather gig bag, which, in my opinion, offers better protection than many fixed bell cases. Cheers- Jeremy -Original Message- From: Lawrence Yates [mailto:yateslawre...@googlemail.com] Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:06 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags Yes, so what's your objection to it? (Sorry, reading through my posts to you they sound very confrontational - they're not meant to - I'm just curious) Cheers, Lawrence Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jeremy%40sublymerecords.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Dave, If you were an unethical person, you could talk the mother into cutting the bell, and selling her a Marcus Bona flight case. LOL. That surely generate some more work for your business. Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: Brass Arts Unlimited Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: horn@music.memphis.edu ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Dent bags Sent: Feb 1, 2009 3:14 PM Gig bags are actually dent bags. It's not a matter of if it's when and how bad. Jerry is right, of course. I just had a kid bring in a horn in a gig bag. She had been playing it with a flattened (quite literally) finger hook, multiple serious dents, multiple broken solder joints, bent mouthpipe, bell rim creases, out of round bell throat, and on. $350 later I suggested to the mom that a hard case was in order. Of course, that hard case would be bad for business. ;D Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Thanks. I also might add that some people could use no case and would have a dent-free horn, while others would manage to dent their horn even if it was safe in a Sherman tank. -William In a message dated 2/1/2009 4:12:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jer...@sublymerecords.com writes: Lawrence - Maybe I'm missing something, but I believe he's made his objection quite clear numerous times in every e-mail he's sent. Weight and form factor are the objections. Frankly, if I had a fixed bell horn, I would object to hard cases for the same reasons. However, I've used some gig bags in the past on my detachable bell horns and have almost always had bad luck regarding dents. The one notable exception is the Reunion Blues leather gig bag, which, in my opinion, offers better protection than many fixed bell cases. Cheers- Jeremy **Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://www.dell.com/co ntent/products/features.aspx/laptops_great_deals#63;c=us%26cs=19%26l=en%26s=d hs%26#126;ck=anavml) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Hi, No, I thnk we're talking at cross purposes. When someone says gig bag I think of the soft fabric BAG. I think of the Marcus Bonna as a gig bag type CASE - it's hard, it protects the instrument, it's light and it's portable. The gig BAG is light and portable but it doesn't protect. If even the Marcus Bonna case is too heavy (I've regularly walked 5 or 6 miles with mine) then maybe a bag is the only answer. Cheers, Lawrence 2009/2/1 Jeremy Cucco jer...@sublymerecords.com Lawrence - Maybe I'm missing something, but I believe he's made his objection quite clear numerous times in every e-mail he's sent. Weight and form factor are the objections. Frankly, if I had a fixed bell horn, I would object to hard cases for the same reasons. However, I've used some gig bags in the past on my detachable bell horns and have almost always had bad luck regarding dents. The one notable exception is the Reunion Blues leather gig bag, which, in my opinion, offers better protection than many fixed bell cases. Cheers- Jeremy Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Gotcha. I agree - I did have a soft fabric type case a long time ago but I got rid of it. -William In a message dated 2/1/2009 4:19:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, yateslawre...@googlemail.com writes: Hi, No, I thnk we're talking at cross purposes. When someone says gig bag I think of the soft fabric BAG. I think of the Marcus Bonna as a gig bag type CASE - it's hard, it protects the instrument, it's light and it's portable. The gig BAG is light and portable but it doesn't protect. If even the Marcus Bonna case is too heavy (I've regularly walked 5 or 6 miles with mine) then maybe a bag is the only answer. Cheers, Lawrence **Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://www.dell.com/co ntent/products/features.aspx/laptops_great_deals#63;c=us%26cs=19%26l=en%26s=d hs%26#126;ck=anavml) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Sorry, my misunderstanding (played first in Walton Symphony 1 last night - it did my head in and I've still not recovered) Can I go and have a drink now? Cheers, Lawrence 2009/2/1 valkh...@aol.com Gotcha. I agree - I did have a soft fabric type case a long time ago but I got rid of it. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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When I was at university, I invested in the old-style bags French Horn case. Lighter than a standard hard case, though much more robust than a gig bag. This is the sot of thing: http://www.sheehans.com/french-horns/brass-cases-gigbags/pcode=57371276311 (apols, no advertising intended!) The case saw my YHR-668N safely through uni, only failing when a large and heavy object fell on it. (the large heavy object being me, the person wearing it!) The case has straps and buckle points for both rucksack and shoulder-strap configurations, as well as (of course) just carrying by the handle. FHP ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Sure. If you are ever in East TN it'll be on me at the Smoky Mountain Brewery. -William In a message dated 2/1/2009 4:26:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, yateslawre...@googlemail.com writes: Sorry, my misunderstanding (played first in Walton Symphony 1 last night - it did my head in and I've still not recovered) Can I go and have a drink now? Cheers, Lawrence **Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://www.dell.com/co ntent/products/features.aspx/laptops_great_deals#63;c=us%26cs=19%26l=en%26s=d hs%26#126;ck=anavml) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Do you mean you've walked 5 to 6 miles with the fixed bell Bonna case? Or do you mean the cut bell case? I'll agree that my MB5 is a breeze to carry, but I've tried many fixed bell hard cases (including the Bonna) and found them to be uncomfortable. I would actually suggest that a gig bag has a greater potential to provide protection than a hard case (notice, I said potential, not that they do in practice). In a gig bag, if the horn is jarred significantly, it has the room to move and thus disperse the energy throughout the case itself. Whereas, in a hard case, if the horn is jarred, it has no room to move and thus the energy is dispersed through the metal causing all sorts of problems (dents occasionally being the least of the problems). The difficulty with gig bags is designing on that will provide enough rigidity as to not allow a quick, pointed attack to the case without causing that initial damage yet still the flexibility to allow the horn to work itself into the padding when hit. I will say, I've played some outdoor concerts in some areas of DC where I wished I had a Kevlar gig bag... :-O -Original Message- From: Lawrence Yates [mailto:yateslawre...@googlemail.com] Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:18 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags Hi, No, I thnk we're talking at cross purposes. When someone says gig bag I think of the soft fabric BAG. I think of the Marcus Bonna as a gig bag type CASE - it's hard, it protects the instrument, it's light and it's portable. The gig BAG is light and portable but it doesn't protect. If even the Marcus Bonna case is too heavy (I've regularly walked 5 or 6 miles with mine) then maybe a bag is the only answer. Cheers, Lawrence 2009/2/1 Jeremy Cucco jer...@sublymerecords.com Lawrence - Maybe I'm missing something, but I believe he's made his objection quite clear numerous times in every e-mail he's sent. Weight and form factor are the objections. Frankly, if I had a fixed bell horn, I would object to hard cases for the same reasons. However, I've used some gig bags in the past on my detachable bell horns and have almost always had bad luck regarding dents. The one notable exception is the Reunion Blues leather gig bag, which, in my opinion, offers better protection than many fixed bell cases. Cheers- Jeremy Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jeremy%40sublymerecords.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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I have been using a BAGS horn case for 2 years I switched from a produce case. I would recommend them. Sturdy and functional. Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Steve Freides steve.frei...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:50:50 To: The Horn Listhorn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags Wow - I see I have opened a touchy subject. How about this one, which says it splits the difference between a gig bag and a hard case, although I couldn't find the exact weight anywhere on the web page. http://accessories.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gator-GL-Lightweight-French-Horn-Case?sku=545837 Having read what everyone has said, realizing that I will not be traveling by plane with my horn (I will fly somewhere to play only in my next life, not this one), and that I will sometimes have it in the car alongside other potentially dangerous objects like suitcases and my children, I think I'm am going to rule out a lightweight gig bag. The link above, however, looks appealing. I have emailed and asked if they could tell me exactly what it weighs. From what I read, a gig bag about 4 lbs. and a hard case more like 14 lbs. Neither or those is a big concern because, although I'm no spring chicken, I'm plenty strong enough to carry two French Horns in hard cases under one arm for a bit if I need to, as I did just the day before yesterday. I would, however, like to protect my horn for cheap. I know, light, cheap, strong - pick any two because you can't have all three. An engineer's expression but applicable here. If anyone actually has used Gator brand and/or the model I link to above, I'd like to know that. The other leading contender right now is a Pro Tec hard case, shown here for $160. http://accessories.musiciansfriend.com/product/Pro-Tec-Contoured-PRO-PAC-French-Horn-Case?sku=540235 This one, for whatever reason, does not seem appealing to me: http://accessories.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gator-Molded-ABS-French-Horn-Case?sku=545830 although it is less expensive than the Pro Tec. -S- On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Brass Arts Unlimited i...@brassarts.com wrote: Gig bags are actually dent bags. It's not a matter of if it's when and how bad. Jerry is right, of course. I just had a kid bring in a horn in a gig bag. She had been playing it with a flattened (quite literally) finger hook, multiple serious dents, multiple broken solder joints, bent mouthpipe, bell rim creases, out of round bell throat, and on. $350 later I suggested to the mom that a hard case was in order. Of course, that hard case would be bad for business. ;D Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve.freides%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hornboy101%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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In a message dated 2/1/2009 3:09:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, william.s.gr...@gmail.com writes: Comments guys and gals have tossed out in the design of a better horn case. 1) Wheels 2) Integral garment bag. 3) Integral beer cooler. **Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help you improve your credit score. (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall0002) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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In a message dated 2/1/2009 3:09:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, william.s.gr...@gmail.com writes: Comments guys and gals have tossed out in the design of a better horn case. 1) Wheels 2) Integral garment bag. 3) Integral beer cooler. 4) Automatic engine / supplied with spare viola player to carry case for you? :oD ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Hello all! There is a company that appears to be just getting started, (Diversified Case Company, Rome, N.Y., ph.# 800-276-1992) which makes very rugged-looking, aluminium cases for other brass instruments. Try www.the-TANK.us for details; while they don't have a model for horn just yet, they are soliciting input from musicians for their design team. I've sent them an e-mail about what I would like to see in a hard case; perhaps other members of this list could do the same, and see what they come up with. Many years ago, I owned a Lewis horn; it came with a ZERO Halliburton (sp.?) aluminium case, with a fairly dense, foam interior, cut to accept the corpus and the bell of the horn. This was the only case that I ever owned that survived being in checked baggage. I took it on tour once, and witnessed it being thrown (yes, thrown!) by the baggage handlers/manglers into the belly of the aircraft. My heart sank; but, when we arrived at our destination, I was amazed. The case had a couple of dents and the paint was chipped, but the horn survived without a scratch. Lucky? Perhaps. But, I've never checked a horn since. My Marcus Bona (screw-bell style) fits in the overhead bin. Sincerely, martin bender On 1-Feb-09, at 4:28 PM, Jeremy Cucco wrote: Do you mean you've walked 5 to 6 miles with the fixed bell Bonna case? Or do you mean the cut bell case? I'll agree that my MB5 is a breeze to carry, but I've tried many fixed bell hard cases (including the Bonna) and found them to be uncomfortable. I would actually suggest that a gig bag has a greater potential to provide protection than a hard case (notice, I said potential, not that they do in practice). In a gig bag, if the horn is jarred significantly, it has the room to move and thus disperse the energy throughout the case itself. Whereas, in a hard case, if the horn is jarred, it has no room to move and thus the energy is dispersed through the metal causing all sorts of problems (dents occasionally being the least of the problems). The difficulty with gig bags is designing on that will provide enough rigidity as to not allow a quick, pointed attack to the case without causing that initial damage yet still the flexibility to allow the horn to work itself into the padding when hit. I will say, I've played some outdoor concerts in some areas of DC where I wished I had a Kevlar gig bag... :-O -Original Message- From: Lawrence Yates [mailto:yateslawre...@googlemail.com] Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:18 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags Hi, No, I thnk we're talking at cross purposes. When someone says gig bag I think of the soft fabric BAG. I think of the Marcus Bonna as a gig bag type CASE - it's hard, it protects the instrument, it's light and it's portable. The gig BAG is light and portable but it doesn't protect. If even the Marcus Bonna case is too heavy (I've regularly walked 5 or 6 miles with mine) then maybe a bag is the only answer. Cheers, Lawrence 2009/2/1 Jeremy Cucco jer...@sublymerecords.com Lawrence - Maybe I'm missing something, but I believe he's made his objection quite clear numerous times in every e-mail he's sent. Weight and form factor are the objections. Frankly, if I had a fixed bell horn, I would object to hard cases for the same reasons. However, I've used some gig bags in the past on my detachable bell horns and have almost always had bad luck regarding dents. The one notable exception is the Reunion Blues leather gig bag, which, in my opinion, offers better protection than many fixed bell cases. Cheers- Jeremy Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jeremy%40sublymerecords.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/embee%40magma.ca ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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One of the lads in a section I occasionally play for has a music stand with an attachment to hold his beer. Are you there Malc? Cheers, Lawrence 2009/2/1 jerryol...@aol.com 3) Integral beer cooler. -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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No that's innovation. Though I can imagine the wowsers of the world up in arms over it. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of jerryol...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 3:58 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags In a message dated 2/1/2009 3:09:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, william.s.gr...@gmail.com writes: Comments guys and gals have tossed out in the design of a better horn case. 1) Wheels 2) Integral garment bag. 3) Integral beer cooler. **Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help you improve your credit score. (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall0002) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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On Sunday 01 February 2009 13:14:31 valkh...@aol.com wrote: Maybe I'm missing something, but I believe he's made his objection quite clear numerous times in every e-mail he's sent. Weight and form factor are the objections. Frankly, if I had a fixed bell horn, I would object to hard cases for the same reasons. However, I've used some gig bags in the past on my detachable bell horns and have almost always had bad luck regarding dents. I have Thompson Edition cases in both fixed- and cut-bell versions, and I like 'em a lot. So far, they've provided complete protection to my horns, yet they're comfortable to carry. And compared with other compact and protective cases, they're not expensive. It's been a while, but I seem to recall that mine were about $250 each. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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William, you're right in one aspect, but when one gets older and near his golden years with back problems, a case with wheels works even better than a backpack! I bought a Marcus Bona flight bag, and carried it for quite a while, until I started to suffer with back and hip problems. I adapted a luggage carrier by bunge cording my case to it. Voila! a wheeled case! I only have a very small problem pushing it through the snow. My physical therpist remarked what a good idea, and she also said most guys over 50 should be doing what I do to save wear and tear on their backs. Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: valkh...@aol.com Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: horn@music.memphis.edu ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags Sent: Feb 1, 2009 3:55 PM Correction, that should be a dent bag, not dent back. But back to the point, when you have to deal with walking several miles with a case (airports come to mind) nothing beats something you can wear as a backpack. -William **Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://www.dell.com/co ntent/products/features.aspx/laptops_great_deals#63;c=us%26cs=19%26l=en%26s=d hs%26#126;ck=anavml) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Sure hope that drink is a pint of stout! If so, enjoy one for me as well. In your words, Cheers! Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: Lawrence Yates Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: The Horn List ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags Sent: Feb 1, 2009 4:25 PM Sorry, my misunderstanding (played first in Walton Symphony 1 last night - it did my head in and I've still not recovered) Can I go and have a drink now? Cheers, Lawrence 2009/2/1 valkh...@aol.com Gotcha. I agree - I did have a soft fabric type case a long time ago but I got rid of it. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Beer cooler! Best idea of all, Jerry!!! Will have to get the hornlist team of crack engineers on this most important project! Walt Lewis Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: jerryol...@aol.com Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: horn@music.memphis.edu ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags Sent: Feb 1, 2009 4:57 PM In a message dated 2/1/2009 3:09:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, william.s.gr...@gmail.com writes: Comments guys and gals have tossed out in the design of a better horn case. 1) Wheels 2) Integral garment bag. 3) Integral beer cooler. **Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help you improve your credit score. (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall0002) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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In a message dated 2/1/2009 3:29:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, jer...@sublymerecords.com writes: The difficulty with gig bags is designing on that will provide enough rigidity as to not allow a quick, pointed attack to the case without causing that initial damage yet still the flexibility to allow the horn to work itself into the padding when hit. Hi Jeremy, This is contrary to information that has been posted in the past on this subject. If the horn and case are moving and the case stops, the horn will stop with the case if it is held snuggly in the case. Otherwise, the horn will keep going until it hits something with the weight of the horn pushing against whatever hits first bell rim, bell tail, leadpipe receiver, or ?? . been there, done that, paid the repair person and bought the T-shirt. IMHO, the most protection a horn can get is in a hard case that firmly holds the corpus of the horn by the valve cluster with plenty of clearance around the flare. If the valve cluster is clamped between firm foam pads it will be less likely to move and put pressure on the weaker bits and pieces as mentioned above. That being said . I have a good quality Reunion Blues dent bag that I use to haul around a Holton natural horn. The horn is light and shifts very little in the bag. I keep a close eye on it. Anyone agree/disagree?? Regards, Jerry in Kansas City **Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help you improve your credit score. (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall0002) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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http://thompsonmusic.com/store/page164.html looks nice - backstraps sounds great to me. -S- On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 5:55 PM, jerryol...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/1/2009 3:29:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, jer...@sublymerecords.com writes: The difficulty with gig bags is designing on that will provide enough rigidity as to not allow a quick, pointed attack to the case without causing that initial damage yet still the flexibility to allow the horn to work itself into the padding when hit. Hi Jeremy, This is contrary to information that has been posted in the past on this subject. If the horn and case are moving and the case stops, the horn will stop with the case if it is held snuggly in the case. Otherwise, the horn will keep going until it hits something with the weight of the horn pushing against whatever hits first bell rim, bell tail, leadpipe receiver, or ?? . been there, done that, paid the repair person and bought the T-shirt. IMHO, the most protection a horn can get is in a hard case that firmly holds the corpus of the horn by the valve cluster with plenty of clearance around the flare. If the valve cluster is clamped between firm foam pads it will be less likely to move and put pressure on the weaker bits and pieces as mentioned above. That being said . I have a good quality Reunion Blues dent bag that I use to haul around a Holton natural horn. The horn is light and shifts very little in the bag. I keep a close eye on it. Anyone agree/disagree?? Regards, Jerry in Kansas City **Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help you improve your credit score. (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall0002) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/steve.freides%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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What kind of valve oil should I use with different brands of gig bags or hard cases? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 6:02 PM, John Baumgart john.baumg...@comcast.net wrote: What kind of valve oil should I use with different brands of gig bags or hard cases? The answer to that question can be had only by watching the Super Bowl and drinking lots of beer - I'm not sure which of those two is most important, though. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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2009/2/1 John Baumgart john.baumg...@comcast.net What kind of valve oil should I use with different brands of gig bags or hard cases? I find Superfix valve oil works best with all types of gig bag - it sticks the valves solid and makes them unable to move no matter how hard the case is dropped. Cheers, Lawrence -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Snuggly enough is the problem. Unless the horn is directly coupled at all points within the case than this information is sadly not true. The horn must be truly coupled - all points receiving equal contact and pressure. I'm sure you're familiar with the principle of physics which states that energy cannot be created nor destroyed. It is merely transferred or transformed. If the padding and the case are coupled (by means of glue/stitching/whatever), then the single point of failure is the horn. If the bell is held loosely but the body is firm, then there is a point of weakness. An impact will allow the bell to move and not the body possibly causing soldering joint breaks or other stresses. I've seen this to be true in fact. On a college road trip to a concert on the road, the truck carrying the instruments had to stop short for a dear in the road. Needless to say, many of the cases came sliding forward rather quickly. Of the instruments damaged were 2 saxes (both in hard cases) and handful of trumpets and 1 of the horns. All of these were in hard cases and all showed signs of impact with the case. All of the instruments that were in gig bags were fine with not even a scratch. Of course, the converse is true as well - in a gig bag, to be most effective, the padding must be quite thick and dense but pliable. Sadly, there is no perfect case, that is for sure. Kindly, Jeremy -Original Message- From: jerryol...@aol.com [mailto:jerryol...@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 5:55 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags In a message dated 2/1/2009 3:29:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, jer...@sublymerecords.com writes: The difficulty with gig bags is designing on that will provide enough rigidity as to not allow a quick, pointed attack to the case without causing that initial damage yet still the flexibility to allow the horn to work itself into the padding when hit. Hi Jeremy, This is contrary to information that has been posted in the past on this subject. If the horn and case are moving and the case stops, the horn will stop with the case if it is held snuggly in the case. Otherwise, the horn will keep going until it hits something with the weight of the horn pushing against whatever hits first bell rim, bell tail, leadpipe receiver, or ?? . been there, done that, paid the repair person and bought the T-shirt. IMHO, the most protection a horn can get is in a hard case that firmly holds the corpus of the horn by the valve cluster with plenty of clearance around the flare. If the valve cluster is clamped between firm foam pads it will be less likely to move and put pressure on the weaker bits and pieces as mentioned above. That being said . I have a good quality Reunion Blues dent bag that I use to haul around a Holton natural horn. The horn is light and shifts very little in the bag. I keep a close eye on it. Anyone agree/disagree?? Regards, Jerry in Kansas City **Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help you improve your credit score. (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall0002) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jeremy%40sublymerecords.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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My wife bought me one of those gator lightweight cases. I sent it back. Yes it was fairly light weight. But there were two things I really didn't like about it. It was big and bulky (much bigger than the original case for my Holton H-179) and my horn was very loose inside the case, making me worry about damage to the horn as it sloshed around inside the case. David Laraway Steve Freides wrote: Wow - I see I have opened a touchy subject. How about this one, which says it splits the difference between a gig bag and a hard case, although I couldn't find the exact weight anywhere on the web page. http://accessories.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gator-GL-Lightweight-French-Horn-Case?sku=545837 Having read what everyone has said, realizing that I will not be traveling by plane with my horn (I will fly somewhere to play only in my next life, not this one), and that I will sometimes have it in the car alongside other potentially dangerous objects like suitcases and my children, I think I'm am going to rule out a lightweight gig bag. The link above, however, looks appealing. I have emailed and asked if they could tell me exactly what it weighs. From what I read, a gig bag about 4 lbs. and a hard case more like 14 lbs. Neither or those is a big concern because, although I'm no spring chicken, I'm plenty strong enough to carry two French Horns in hard cases under one arm for a bit if I need to, as I did just the day before yesterday. I would, however, like to protect my horn for cheap. I know, light, cheap, strong - pick any two because you can't have all three. An engineer's expression but applicable here. If anyone actually has used Gator brand and/or the model I link to above, I'd like to know that. The other leading contender right now is a Pro Tec hard case, shown here for $160. http://accessories.musiciansfriend.com/product/Pro-Tec-Contoured-PRO-PAC-French-Horn-Case?sku=540235 This one, for whatever reason, does not seem appealing to me: http://accessories.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gator-Molded-ABS-French-Horn-Case?sku=545830 although it is less expensive than the Pro Tec. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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On Sunday 01 February 2009 17:00:41 Jerry Houston wrote: These are what I'm talking about. My horns fit _very_ snugly, and can't move around at all. Fit and finish is excellent, and the backpack straps leave my hands free for other things - like steering my motorcycle. D'uh ... how 'bout I include the link this time! http://www.thompsonedition.com/cases.php ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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On Sunday 01 February 2009 14:13:29 Jerry Houston wrote: I have Thompson Edition cases in both fixed- and cut-bell versions, and I like 'em a lot. So far, they've provided complete protection to my horns, yet they're comfortable to carry. And compared with other compact and protective cases, they're not expensive. It's been a while, but I seem to recall that mine were about $250 each. These are what I'm talking about. My horns fit _very_ snugly, and can't move around at all. Fit and finish is excellent, and the backpack straps leave my hands free for other things - like steering my motorcycle. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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The burning question is: Now days, how many Mellophones would the average High schooler destroy (not a bad thing, in my opinion) carrying out the research? Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: James Maddrey Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: List Horn ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Dent bags Sent: Feb 1, 2009 8:39 PM I once read about a science teacher assigning a problem to his class. The problem was to design a case or package to have a hen egg dropped from third story window to the side walk below without damage to the egg. Two students solved the problem. Perhaps instead off getting an engineer to do the job, give the job to high school students to protect the horn. Just a thought. youngjim ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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Shouldn't initial testing be done on Alto S*x*ph*n*s? -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of lewho...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 8:32 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags The burning question is: Now days, how many Mellophones would the average High schooler destroy (not a bad thing, in my opinion) carrying out the research? Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: James Maddrey Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: List Horn ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Dent bags Sent: Feb 1, 2009 8:39 PM I once read about a science teacher assigning a problem to his class. The problem was to design a case or package to have a hen egg dropped from third story window to the side walk below without damage to the egg. Two students solved the problem. Perhaps instead off getting an engineer to do the job, give the job to high school students to protect the horn. Just a thought. youngjim ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
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I know one solution was just throwing the egg out of the window with no protection because the teacher neglected to mention that he wanted the egg to stay intact. Of course everyone else assumed the egg had to survive the fall so the group who just threw the egg out got an A for paying attention to the semantics. -William In a message dated 2/1/2009 8:38:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, youngji...@bellsouth.net writes: I once read about a science teacher assigning a problem to his class. The problem was to design a case or package to have a hen egg dropped from third story window to the side walk below without damage to the egg. Two students solved the problem. Perhaps instead off getting an engineer to do the job, give the job to high school students to protect the horn. Just a thought. youngjim **Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://www.dell.com/co ntent/products/features.aspx/laptops_great_deals#63;c=us%26cs=19%26l=en%26s=d hs%26#126;ck=anavml) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
