Re: [Hornlist] overseas transport IMPORTANT
From: Greg Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hans's advice is invaluable. You must suspend the valve section. > Then prevent other moving around and bumping into things or the case. > Make sure the latches cannot come undone easily, and wrap it with a > luggage strap. If anyone could put photos online showing how to prepare the horn for shipping or plane cargo, including the valve cluster immobilization, I think it would help everyone a lot. Brass Arts' instructions for shipping a horn are great, but a picture is worth a thousand words for many of us. What pictures cannot show, and what packing cannot protect, is this little gotcha: Since 9/11 air security has the possibility of opening _any_ checked baggage for inspection. That is why it is a bad idea to lock suitcases, since if security decides to inspect the bag they will need to break the locks. It happens only very rarely, but if an instrument case is selected for inspection it will be opened without you being present, and the instrument may be removed from its case by someone who has no idea how to handle it, an even less idea how to repack it. I believe there was mention some time back on one of the lists about an inspector who held a horn by a valve slide and dropped the whole instrument when the slide came out. Sometimes there is no choice, but putting a musical instrument in regular checked baggage is an extremely hazardous practice. I wouldn't do it to any instrument I couldn't replace. If you must, you should remove all the loose flotsam (oil, spare mouthpieces, tools) from the case, since these things are dangerous if repacked incorrectly. Put them in your suitcase. Take your choice mouthpiece in carryon. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] overseas transport IMPORTANT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hans's advice is invaluable. You must suspend the valve section. Then prevent other moving around and bumping into things or the case. Make sure the latches cannot come undone easily, and wrap it with a luggage strap. If anyone could put photos online showing how to prepare the horn for shipping or plane cargo, including the valve cluster immobilization, I think it would help everyone a lot. Brass Arts' instructions for shipping a horn are great, but a picture is worth a thousand words for many of us. Greg ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] overseas transport IMPORTANT
This is definitely not a good idea. The slides can be squeezed. It is not the weight of the slides ripping on the main tube & the saolders, it is the weight of the valves casings & the rotors. If removing the slides, wrap them in airbubblesheet & place them at a safe place within the horn case, perhaps the place left empty now (where the slides were in place). The bump is not square or diagonal, it is rather a vertical bump, either from top of the horn or from the first valve down. == -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Herbert Foster Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 12:49 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] overseas transport IMPORTANT I should think that removing the valve slides would help. You could wrap them and put them with your clothes. While the slides are not as heavy as the valves, they hang out there a distance from the braces and would put a big load on them during a bump. Herb Foster --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 6/30/2007 1:50:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > writes: > > Hello, more important than all the outside packing is it, to prevent > the heavier valve section to rip off the body of the horn. To do so, > you place a 4 x 2" piece of 0,5" thick moss rubber or other semi-hard > & semi-soft piece between lower side of the valve section & the tuning > slide on the back of the horn, some other wrapping material (airbubble > sheet = usual packing mterial for fragile things) where you can > squeeze it between horn & case inside & on top of the horn & the sides > of the bell. > > -- > Hans's advice is invaluable. You must suspend the valve section. > Then prevent other moving around and bumping into things or the case. > Make sure the latches cannot come undone easily, and wrap it with a > luggage strap. > .. Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] overseas transport IMPORTANT
I should think that removing the valve slides would help. You could wrap them and put them with your clothes. While the slides are not as heavy as the valves, they hang out there a distance from the braces and would put a big load on them during a bump. Herb Foster --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 6/30/2007 1:50:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL > PROTECTED] > writes: > > Hello, more important than all the outside packing is it, to > prevent the heavier valve section to rip off the body of the > horn. To do so, you place a 4 x 2" piece of 0,5" thick moss > rubber or other semi-hard & semi-soft piece between lower > side of the valve section & the tuning slide on the back of > the horn, some other wrapping material (airbubble sheet = > usual packing mterial for fragile things) where you can > squeeze it between horn & case inside & on top of the horn & > the sides of the bell. > > -- > Hans's advice is invaluable. You must suspend the valve section. Then > prevent other moving around and bumping into things or the case. Make sure > the > latches cannot come undone easily, and wrap it with a luggage strap. > .. Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] overseas transport IMPORTANT
In a message dated 6/30/2007 1:50:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello, more important than all the outside packing is it, to prevent the heavier valve section to rip off the body of the horn. To do so, you place a 4 x 2" piece of 0,5" thick moss rubber or other semi-hard & semi-soft piece between lower side of the valve section & the tuning slide on the back of the horn, some other wrapping material (airbubble sheet = usual packing mterial for fragile things) where you can squeeze it between horn & case inside & on top of the horn & the sides of the bell. -- Hans's advice is invaluable. You must suspend the valve section. Then prevent other moving around and bumping into things or the case. Make sure the latches cannot come undone easily, and wrap it with a luggage strap. See Doug Yeo's website regarding what he does for his trombone, as well as the picture of his trombone case laying on the tarmac, fifteen feet below where it was supposed to be entered into the airplane's cargo hold. Ouch. (Spoiler alert: there's a happy ending.) _www.yeodoug.com_ (http://www.yeodoug.com) Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] overseas transport
When I traveled overseas with a Youth-ish orchestra (ages 17-26), the airlines provided a large storage unit (like UPS uses, but smaller) and allowed us to pack it ourselves. We stored the tuba and percussion first, layered on the brass (except the horns) and 'celli, put the horns over the 'celli and cushioned them with the violas and violins. The airline then used a tractor and placed the storage unit right into the hold, offloaded it the same way, and we unpacked it. The bass had their own Anvil-like cases. Everything shipped fine. Perhaps your orchestra could respectfully request something like this. Respectfully Submitted, Scott Young From: sirgallihad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Horn List To: "The Horn List" Subject: Re: [Hornlist] overseas transport Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 19:37:03 -0400 well, it turns out that because we're traveling as a group, I'm limited to the size of the horn case for storing it. so are there any other possibilities for arranging it so that I don't need a big box? On 6/29/07, Carlberg Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 7:24 PM -0400 6/29/07, sirgallihad wrote: >from what I've heard, they seem to be losetening the pressure off the >strings, and just relying on their formfitted carbon fiber cases (damn >string players). I like the packing peanuts option, and I think that I'll go >with that, thank you. and no, it dosen't have a screwbell When you select a box size, imagine that it will be dropped from a height of ten feet on concrete on its corner. Pick box size and packing accordingly. -- Carlberg Jones Skype - carlbergbmug Cornista - Orq. Sin. de Aguascalientes Aguascalientes, Ags. MEXICO ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/sirgallihad%40gmail.com -- gorn ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/scott44y%40msn.com _ Like puzzles? Play free games & earn great prizes. Play Clink now. http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] overseas transport IMPORTANT
Hello, more important than all the outside packing is it, to prevent the heavier valve section to rip off the body of the horn. To do so, you place a 4 x 2" piece of 0,5" thick moss rubber or other semi-hard & semi-soft piece between lower side of the valve section & the tuning slide on the back of the horn, some other wrapping material (airbubble sheet = usual packing mterial for fragile things) where you can squeeze it between horn & case inside & on top of the horn & the sides of the bell. A box slightly bigger than the horn case, the box filled with cushion material (paper, peanuts, etc.). But most important: get it declared as FRAGILE ITEM. It helps. BUT : CARE THAT THE HORN CANNOT MOVE WITHIN THE CASE & CANNOT MOVE IN PARTS so to lose solders etc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sirgallihad Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:37 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] overseas transport well, it turns out that because we're traveling as a group, I'm limited to the size of the horn case for storing it. so are there any other possibilities for arranging it so that I don't need a big box? On 6/29/07, Carlberg Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > At 7:24 PM -0400 6/29/07, sirgallihad wrote: > >from what I've heard, they seem to be losetening the pressure off the > >strings, and just relying on their formfitted carbon fiber cases > >(damn string players). I like the packing peanuts option, and I think > >that I'll > go > >with that, thank you. and no, it dosen't have a screwbell > > > When you select a box size, imagine that it will be dropped from a > height of ten feet on concrete on its corner. Pick box size and > packing accordingly. > -- > > Carlberg Jones > Skype - carlbergbmug > Cornista - Orq. Sin. de Aguascalientes Aguascalientes, Ags. > MEXICO > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/sirgallihad%4 0gmail.com > -- gorn ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] overseas transport
At 7:37 PM -0400 6/29/07, sirgallihad wrote: well, it turns out that because we're traveling as a group, I'm limited to the size of the horn case for storing it. so are there any other possibilities for arranging it so that I don't need a big box? Of course you'll check size limits for checked items, but wieght should not be a problem. You do need a big box if you're checking your horn. Maybe an all-risk insurance policy with an emergency repair clause? -- Carlberg Jones Skype - carlbergbmug Cornista - Orq. Sin. de Aguascalientes Aguascalientes, Ags. MEXICO ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] overseas transport
well, it turns out that because we're traveling as a group, I'm limited to the size of the horn case for storing it. so are there any other possibilities for arranging it so that I don't need a big box? On 6/29/07, Carlberg Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 7:24 PM -0400 6/29/07, sirgallihad wrote: >from what I've heard, they seem to be losetening the pressure off the >strings, and just relying on their formfitted carbon fiber cases (damn >string players). I like the packing peanuts option, and I think that I'll go >with that, thank you. and no, it dosen't have a screwbell When you select a box size, imagine that it will be dropped from a height of ten feet on concrete on its corner. Pick box size and packing accordingly. -- Carlberg Jones Skype - carlbergbmug Cornista - Orq. Sin. de Aguascalientes Aguascalientes, Ags. MEXICO ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/sirgallihad%40gmail.com -- gorn ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] overseas transport
A few years ago the Dallas Symphony toured Europe. According to one member when they arrived at their first stop all the basses had been handled poorly and suffered for it. They were all immediately taken to an instrument repair shop to fix the damage and made playable. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sirgallihad Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 6:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] overseas transport from what I've heard, they seem to be losetening the pressure off the strings, and just relying on their formfitted carbon fiber cases (damn string players). I like the packing peanuts option, and I think that I'll go with that, thank you. and no, it dosen't have a screwbell On 6/29/07, Fred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Assuming from your note that your case does not fit carry-on > measurement requirements, and that you have a fixed-bell horn. > Carlberg's advice sounds good if you really, really have to trust it > to those sensitive gorillas who handle baggage. Some folks advocate > 'double boxing' (horn in box with peanuts, then that box in a larger > box also with peanuts). > If it were me, however, and I did not have a flight bag acceptable for > carry-on, I would be 'splitting' my horn (it's a screw bell) into two > different small carry-on's, with appropriate padding added to fill out > the bags. > What are your cellists and bassists doing about this? > > Fred > > On 6/29/07, Carlberg Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > At 6:03 PM -0400 6/29/07, sirgallihad wrote: > > >I'm going overseas to europe with my youth orchestra in a couple days, > and I > > >was wondering how I should best pack my horn for transport on the > plane. It > > >unfortunately will be in the luggage compartment underneath the plane, > but > > >it is in its hardcase. are there any tricks to making sure that my horn > gets > > >to Germany in one piece? > > > > > > I'd put in a box with at least four inches of packing peanuts around > > all sides of the case. I'd make sure the bell is packed tightly with > > crushed paper and then around the outside of the bell as well. I > > assume you have a pressure fit case. If not, more crushed paper time. > > > > -- > > > > Carlberg Jones > > Skype - carlbergbmug > > Cornista - Orq. Sin. de Aguascalientes > > Aguascalientes, Ags. > > MEXICO > > ___ > > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/fbaucom%40gmail.com > > > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/sirgallihad%40gmail.com > -- gorn ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] overseas transport
At 7:24 PM -0400 6/29/07, sirgallihad wrote: from what I've heard, they seem to be losetening the pressure off the strings, and just relying on their formfitted carbon fiber cases (damn string players). I like the packing peanuts option, and I think that I'll go with that, thank you. and no, it dosen't have a screwbell When you select a box size, imagine that it will be dropped from a height of ten feet on concrete on its corner. Pick box size and packing accordingly. -- Carlberg Jones Skype - carlbergbmug Cornista - Orq. Sin. de Aguascalientes Aguascalientes, Ags. MEXICO ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] overseas transport
from what I've heard, they seem to be losetening the pressure off the strings, and just relying on their formfitted carbon fiber cases (damn string players). I like the packing peanuts option, and I think that I'll go with that, thank you. and no, it dosen't have a screwbell On 6/29/07, Fred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Assuming from your note that your case does not fit carry-on measurement requirements, and that you have a fixed-bell horn. Carlberg's advice sounds good if you really, really have to trust it to those sensitive gorillas who handle baggage. Some folks advocate 'double boxing' (horn in box with peanuts, then that box in a larger box also with peanuts). If it were me, however, and I did not have a flight bag acceptable for carry-on, I would be 'splitting' my horn (it's a screw bell) into two different small carry-on's, with appropriate padding added to fill out the bags. What are your cellists and bassists doing about this? Fred On 6/29/07, Carlberg Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 6:03 PM -0400 6/29/07, sirgallihad wrote: > >I'm going overseas to europe with my youth orchestra in a couple days, and I > >was wondering how I should best pack my horn for transport on the plane. It > >unfortunately will be in the luggage compartment underneath the plane, but > >it is in its hardcase. are there any tricks to making sure that my horn gets > >to Germany in one piece? > > > I'd put in a box with at least four inches of packing peanuts around > all sides of the case. I'd make sure the bell is packed tightly with > crushed paper and then around the outside of the bell as well. I > assume you have a pressure fit case. If not, more crushed paper time. > > -- > > Carlberg Jones > Skype - carlbergbmug > Cornista - Orq. Sin. de Aguascalientes > Aguascalientes, Ags. > MEXICO > ___ > post: horn@music.memphis.edu > unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/fbaucom%40gmail.com > ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/sirgallihad%40gmail.com -- gorn ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] overseas transport
Assuming from your note that your case does not fit carry-on measurement requirements, and that you have a fixed-bell horn. Carlberg's advice sounds good if you really, really have to trust it to those sensitive gorillas who handle baggage. Some folks advocate 'double boxing' (horn in box with peanuts, then that box in a larger box also with peanuts). If it were me, however, and I did not have a flight bag acceptable for carry-on, I would be 'splitting' my horn (it's a screw bell) into two different small carry-on's, with appropriate padding added to fill out the bags. What are your cellists and bassists doing about this? Fred On 6/29/07, Carlberg Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 6:03 PM -0400 6/29/07, sirgallihad wrote: >I'm going overseas to europe with my youth orchestra in a couple days, and I >was wondering how I should best pack my horn for transport on the plane. It >unfortunately will be in the luggage compartment underneath the plane, but >it is in its hardcase. are there any tricks to making sure that my horn gets >to Germany in one piece? I'd put in a box with at least four inches of packing peanuts around all sides of the case. I'd make sure the bell is packed tightly with crushed paper and then around the outside of the bell as well. I assume you have a pressure fit case. If not, more crushed paper time. -- Carlberg Jones Skype - carlbergbmug Cornista - Orq. Sin. de Aguascalientes Aguascalientes, Ags. MEXICO ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/fbaucom%40gmail.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] overseas transport
At 6:03 PM -0400 6/29/07, sirgallihad wrote: I'm going overseas to europe with my youth orchestra in a couple days, and I was wondering how I should best pack my horn for transport on the plane. It unfortunately will be in the luggage compartment underneath the plane, but it is in its hardcase. are there any tricks to making sure that my horn gets to Germany in one piece? I'd put in a box with at least four inches of packing peanuts around all sides of the case. I'd make sure the bell is packed tightly with crushed paper and then around the outside of the bell as well. I assume you have a pressure fit case. If not, more crushed paper time. -- Carlberg Jones Skype - carlbergbmug Cornista - Orq. Sin. de Aguascalientes Aguascalientes, Ags. MEXICO ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
