Re: [HOT] Google Chrome users

2015-05-02 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
After having investigated the Java plugin situation with Google Chrome I
have found there is a way to enable the NPAPI that has been disabled.

1. Open your Chrome web browser.

2. In the URL panel at the top type in chrome://flags/#enable-npapi

3. Click the "Enable" link for Enable NPAPI.

4. At the bottom of the page click the "Relaunch" button that has now
appeared.

Task completed and Chrome should now support Java plugins.
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[HOT] Google Chrome Browser

2015-05-02 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
I thought it might be useful to share this. I do not yet know how it will
fully affect JOSM.

I received this notification

"We have detected you are using Google Chrome and might be unable to use
the Java plugin from this browser. Starting with Version 42 (released April
2015) Chrome has disabled the standard way in which browsers support
plugins"

Hope it does not impact too much on Chrome users.
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Re: [HOT] AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!

2015-04-28 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
I am in favour of the direction Severin is proposing regarding privileges.
If we can stop new mappers from opening tiles that have been validated by
an experienced person then the integrity of the work is maintained as is.
I have mentioned in the past about the "losing" HOT Activations amongst the
myriad of Missing Maps work on the Task Manager and feel this would be a
good time to propose a separate Task Manager for HOT Activations so that
those activations stand more chance of being completed rather than
disappearing down the bottom of a long list.
Please do not misunderstand meI am not belittling the Missing Maps
projects or trying to pass them off as unimportant I go into London
twice a month now to help groups of new mappers at Mapathons to join in on
the Missing Maps Projects... I am saying that there is a difference between
the URGENCY of people trapped under the rubble now and the URGENCY of an
Aid Team going into an area next week.
The accuracy of the initial input of work during a HOT Activation needs to
be high because it is needed as soon as possible and not to wait until
someone has validated it to clean it up. The quality of the initial work
going out helps the people in the field and speed up the process because
experienced mappers are not tied up trying to get individual tiles up to
standard and are able to do a lot more mapping work themselves and also
work on more advanced tasks like identifying impromptu camps of needy
people.
I have to break off with validating for now to prepare for another Mapathon
tonight to tutor more new mappers and help them on their way to becoming
prolific mappers.
Thank you all for being so understanding and appreciating the dilemma I was
seeing unfolding at an ever increasing rate.
We all have the same goal and hope we can achieve them all
Keep Smiling and Keep Mapping.
Ralph
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Re: [HOT] AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!

2015-04-27 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
OK. I will not say anything further on this open forum.

On 27 April 2015 at 16:50, Heather Leson  wrote:

> Thanks Ralph, Pierre, Nama and Pete.
>
> Ralph, I think that the process for learning is hard and that our
> activation processes do need work. This is why I am so excited that some
> people are meeting this week for the Activation Team and then for the HOT
> Summit. We will get there. I would only ask that you warmly welcome new
> people more. It is hard to learn and your note might have made them feel
> not welcome.
>
> Pierre, Absolutely, we all need to take care. I, too, and starting to feel
> the strain of crisis actions. I will share some more about this tomorrow as
> I promised myself that I would log off after work, have a meal, and go for
> a walk. Health matters.
>
> Pete, I am not sure this is the time to decide.
>
>
> Nama - I agree that maybe we need to have a validation work around.
> Perhaps someone can help on that? Many of you are so very experienced in
> this.
>
> All - HOT is an open community. All of us have different skills and
> skill-sets, we come from different cultures and are global. This is what
> makes us amazing, and it is also hard. For all the new mappers, please do
> read the guides and ask questions on the various channels. There are so
> many mappers here. It should always be a safe place to ask a question on
> the mailing list or IRC or mumble. This is part of the learning journey.
> Yes, we have some changes to make and we will do so, but we are very much
> guided by our Code of Conduct and our desire to grow and support people
> with maps.
>
>
>
> Thank you
>
> Heather
>
> Heather Leson
> heatherle...@gmail.com
> Twitter: HeatherLeson
> Blog: textontechs.com
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Pierre Béland  wrote:
>
>> Ralph,
>>
>>
>> Crisis management, redundance, and yes sometimes frustrating. But we have
>> to keep our positive energy after running non stop since saturday morning.
>> Crowdsourcing, we evolve from these experiences in context of crisis.
>>
>> We would surely need a validation process that let's focus on the less
>> experienced contributors.
>> I wonder if such information could be extracted from the Task manager -
>> Tasks completed by contributors less then xx months of experience ??
>>
>> Should we have a team of validators that work together and identify ways
>> to go on with validation and assure both quick response and quality?
>>
>>
>> Pierre
>>
>>   --
>>  *De :* AYTOUN RALPH 
>> *À :* hot@openstreetmap.org
>> *Envoyé le :* Lundi 27 avril 2015 11h25
>> *Objet :* [HOT] AAGH!
>>
>> If I don't scream I will end up tearing my hair out.
>> We need to change what we are doing and who we are letting in to do it.
>> These Activations in response to a disaster means that people's lives are
>> at stake here. I am finding totally inexperienced mappers (some with no
>> completed tiles and others with only one or two completed tiles) messing
>> around with validating tiles or unlocking already validated tiles and
>> working on them. I have a screen shot of Nepal #944 showing 5 validated
>> tiles are actively locked. When I checked on the people that were doing
>> this they were complete beginners.
>> I have had one of the tiles I had completed opened by one of these
>> beginners and started adding short little sections of disconnected roads
>> (The instructions specifically ask us not to add these) then validating
>> this tile, then invalidating it again.
>> While I am all in favour of getting new mappers up and going this should
>> only be done on the Missing Maps project and not on HOT Activations. It is
>> extremely important that we get it right as quickly as possible for those
>> people out in the field with injured and dead all around them and lives at
>> stake for us to be rechecking already validated tiles because we can no
>> longer trust them to be correct or near to correct.
>> We have already had complaints about poor quality work in the past and
>> this type of activity is not going to get us any better credibility. We
>> really need to rethink the "open to all" policy for HOT Activations.
>> I am now looking at #944 which shows 63% Validated right now and there is
>> two more Validated tiles that are actively locked.
>> I no longer trust the Green marked tiles as being checked and cleared. I
>> know that the majority of what we are producing will be of some assistance
>> in the hills of Nepal but can als

[HOT] AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!

2015-04-27 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
If I don't scream I will end up tearing my hair out.
We need to change what we are doing and who we are letting in to do it.
These Activations in response to a disaster means that people's lives are
at stake here. I am finding totally inexperienced mappers (some with no
completed tiles and others with only one or two completed tiles) messing
around with validating tiles or unlocking already validated tiles and
working on them. I have a screen shot of Nepal #944 showing 5 validated
tiles are actively locked. When I checked on the people that were doing
this they were complete beginners.
I have had one of the tiles I had completed opened by one of these
beginners and started adding short little sections of disconnected roads
(The instructions specifically ask us not to add these) then validating
this tile, then invalidating it again.
While I am all in favour of getting new mappers up and going this should
only be done on the Missing Maps project and not on HOT Activations. It is
extremely important that we get it right as quickly as possible for those
people out in the field with injured and dead all around them and lives at
stake for us to be rechecking already validated tiles because we can no
longer trust them to be correct or near to correct.
We have already had complaints about poor quality work in the past and this
type of activity is not going to get us any better credibility. We really
need to rethink the "open to all" policy for HOT Activations.
I am now looking at #944 which shows 63% Validated right now and there is
two more Validated tiles that are actively locked.
I no longer trust the Green marked tiles as being checked and cleared. I
know that the majority of what we are producing will be of some assistance
in the hills of Nepal but can also imagine the frustration of those people
with some of the nonsense I have managed to clean up while validating.
OK. Rant over. I will be sending out messages to all the new mappers I have
identified asking them to only work on the white tiles and not to open any
of the orange or green ones until they have a lot more experience.
Sorry to have interrupted you in the middle of this crisis but felt that
this needed to be said.
Ralph (RAytoun)
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Re: [HOT] Waterway Tags

2015-01-22 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
Hi Blake and Russell, thanks...you have pointed me to the lists I need to
approach regarding this. Great help and saved me a lot of nosing around. I
understand some of the problems of waterways. As Senior Cartographer for
Philip's World Reference Atlases I had to find a happy medium trying to
make one size fit all so that each geographic feature is represented the
same throughout the atlas even though it may be called something different
with slightly adjusted definitions in each country.
The rendering on the map is a lot easier to sort than the tagging where
each person is looking for their local name on the tag. A wadi/gulch/dry
water channel/arroyo/wash or whatever it is called can still have the same
symbol to depict it.
You picked up my direction..that there is two separate issues here... the
visual depiction on the map. and the tagging to assist electronic
addressing (tying the tag to the different names so that the search picks
up wadi, or whatever is chosen, as being all of those things despite slight
variations in definitions)
I have now signed up to the tagging lists so I can keep up with what is
happening there and can also approach the correct people regarding the
rendering on the map.
Russell...your pointer was fine and I did quickly find the archived thread
which is relevant to my proposal.
Again...thanks for the help.

On 22 January 2015 at 00:37, Russell Deffner 
wrote:

> I probably should have specified the thread is titled "waterway=wadi
> problem" and this link is to the first (I think) message in the thread:
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2015-January/020946.html
> =Russ
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[HOT] Waterway Tags

2015-01-21 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
I would like to raise the issue of tags for *waterway=river*,
*waterway=stream* and* waterway=wadi.*
The problem that exists with the existing tags is that there is no visual
difference on the map for a stream (perennial) and a stream (intermittent)
and the only other option is wadi which gives a blue pecked line.
Accepted mapping standards for this would be to show:-
 all perennial rivers and streams as a continuous solid blue line
(indicating that there is flowing water all year round)
 all non-perennial rivers and streams as a continuous blue pecked line
(indicating that there is flowing water during the wet season but not the
whole year).
A wadi would be depicted with a continuous pecked brown line (indicating
that it is dry watercourse and could be dry for years at a time...only
flowing if there is a flash flood or unusually heavy rain).
This would then convey the correct meanings with symbols on the map and
make reading the map a lot easier. The categories would still be searchable
and distinguish between the three categories of water flow.
The proposed tags would then be
*waterway=river* .. *waterway= stream* .. continuous solid blue line
*waterway=river_intermittent .. waterway=stream_intermittent .
*continuous
pecked blue line
*waterway=wadi* . continuous pecked brown line (a wadi can be so wide
that another tag would be needed similar to the tag for river banks)
*waterway=wadi_bank* which would still be a brown pecked line.
This would then ease the path for introducing the tags for perennial lakes
with a solid blue outline and lighter blue fill, intermittent lakes with a
blue pecked outline and a light blue fill and dry pans with a brown pecked
outline with a brown stipple fill.
I can figure out a single tag proposal on wiki but do not know how to do
this more complex proposal as it entails changing all the tags at the same
time along with their map symbols.
If it is deemed appropriate is there someone who could do this?
Reference..
http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/TopographicMapSymbols/topomapsymbols.pdf
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Re: [HOT] Newbie support for Missing Maps

2014-11-08 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
I have attended two Tuesday evening Missing Maps Mapathons so far.

The problem with mapping is it's appearance. These newbies have seen the
OpenStreetMap as it should look like, they have seen printed maps all
neatly drawn with understandable colours and names telling them what things
are. When they try to map from the imagery I see them making funny squiggly
polygons for the shapes they see and then do not feel satisfied that they
are capable of producing anything resembling the neat maps they know. Not
everyone can interpret the image they are seeing and translate those
details into the neat logical maps they are used to seeing.

At the first Mapathon I roamed around the room looking at each person's
work and gave assistance where I saw it was needed. Very few newbies
actually asked for someone to come and help.

The second one I set myself up at a table and introduced myself as an
experienced mapper. I was amazed at the difference. Here they were calling
me by name and continuously asking me to come and look at their work and
explain what they were seeing or checking that they had done it correctly.
I was amiss though, while I knew them by name I found that was not enough.
When I got home and thought I could look at their work and encourage them I
found the difficultythey are logged on with a user name and I had no
way of knowing who was who, even accessing their profile does not give
their actual name.

May I suggest that a possible way forward would be to have a mentor at each
table that is introduced to them by name, for that mentor to get each ones
details and contact information and to remain in touch and encourage them
to do more and help them to achieve the standard required to make them feel
impressed with their own work. They would be more receptive to advice and
guidance from a person they know than random unknown user names that
invalidate their work. This may effectively tackle two problemsraising
the standard of the new mappers and encouraging them to continue mapping.
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[HOT] HOTOSM #699: About identification of plantations (HOTOSM #699: About identification of plantations in Africa (as for cassava, manioc)

2014-10-21 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
I have looked at the imagery and this detail is easily identified.

 I have started tagging it as landuse=plantation and species=cassava
(manioc)

If there is a problem with this tagging please let me know and I can change
it. I am making a note of where I am doing this in case it changes.

The other easily identified feature is the palm tree orchards which are
generally neatly planted in patterned rows. I tag these as landuse=orchard
and species=palm.

Thank you Sergio.
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Re: [HOT] Ebola outbreak, #672

2014-10-07 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
Thanks for all the advice. I will try some of that to see if it helps my
problem.
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[HOT] Ebola outbreak, #672

2014-10-07 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
Hi all,

I have opened the following square 153 for the task #672 Ebola Outbreak,
Port Loko, Bombali district, road network

http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/672#task/153

containing the town Makeni. This square has been worked on and amended at
various stages in the past few years.

What I am finding is quite a big offset to the existing Bing background
imagery and road patterns in the town that do not  fit to the imagery and
have many variations that do not conform to the imagery.

I have checked the history and nothing indicates any official fixed
positioning (GPS trace) or source.

Do I amend the roads to conform to the latest (2014) Bing imagery or leave
it as is?

Can anyone advise me on this?
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Re: [HOT] Houses or buildings with no roof in W Africa mapping

2014-09-13 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
I have been putting these buildings in as building=construction but they
can also be simply building=no_roof or barrier=wall to indicate that there
is a structure there to help the people on the ground identify where they
are and indicate that there is something there.
It is not possible for mapping from photos to be able to interpret or
identify an abandoned building as to one under construction, just as it is
not possible to identify which round structure is a residence or a grain
store.
If we approach the HOT mapping with the purpose of producing a basic map
for people on the ground to achieve their task then trying to take it
further and making it more complex will slow down the process and also add
the element of uncertainty of what an item actually is and therefore lose
confidence.
As long as we indicate there is a structure there, then people on the
ground can investigate if they need to. I believe that knowing there is
something there is better than no knowledge at all.
I would agree with showing it as barrier=wall so that it is visually
different to that of a building and will indicate that we do believe that
at the time of the imagery it was not occupied. I would apply this to a
round structure without a roof as well.
Either way we need to settle some of these tags so that we are all giving
the same instructions and those trying to use our HOT mapping will be able
to have some consistency in the output.
We need to bear in mind that what we apply to our mapping in West Africa
may not be compared to what applies in Haiti as the culture and living
conditions vary considerably.
Hence the existence of the Africa Highways guide. Keeping it simple
provided it meets the requirements of the task in the field.
Because we are continuously inviting new mappers into the HOT emergency
mapping circle through the Task Manager the ideal would be something like Blake
Girardot's  "Satellite imagery interpretation examples" and "Africa
Highways" in the instructions for these jobs and applicable to that
specific part of the world. Again this is complicated by the variations in
structures between urban and rural areas.
Hope this helps
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Re: [HOT] Validating & TM2 - a send message button?

2014-08-31 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
Hi all,

I was very grateful when I was contacted and made aware of an issue that I
was unaware of as a beginner and it has helped me to improve my input.

I believe it is necessary to be able to give this kind of constructive
assistance to those who are giving their time and contributions to the
project. I do not believe it is necessary to be notified of every tile that
gets validated but definitely would want to know if my tile has been
invalidated so that I can go back and resolve any issues, especially if I
am informed of how to go about doing that.

Because of the nature of the work in HOT a lot of it is just repetitive
building work which can be quite monotonous and is not appealing to
everyone that gives it a go, so we have to be understanding about that and
accept that many will fall by the wayside. What would be helpful is for
some way of quickly identifying those who do come back repeatedly and
nurturing them. Approaching them to identify how to improve their input and
also expand their range of abilities to become more effective.

The instructions in the new Tasking Manager has become more helpful with
the addition of links to a specific imagery (some with acknowledgements).
Additional assistance for starters would be links to instructions on the
building tools and how to use them, a link to the tags (eg Africa Highways)
specific to that task to avoid tags such as 'huts' instead of 'buildings',
to explain the *house=construction *tag, etc. Explanations clarifying
things like a river crossing a road (Africa Highways) where the tag
*ford=yes* is offered as the default, as there are no culverts, helped to
reduce validation problems.

Do we have a section that covers commonly asked questions, a link to that
in the instructions section would help newcomers with difficulties as they
would most likely encounter similar problems as they develop their skills.

Just a few of my experiences and thoughts.

Ralph
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Re: [HOT] Ebola Outbreak Activation

2014-07-16 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
In Vol 53 Issue 35 I see mentioned that you want to close down the eastern
part of Task 568 because there is no imagery.

I looked at one of the eastern tiles, the top left hand corner, one tile
down (the one below Masundu). I could not get any imagery from the Mapbox
that was mentioned in the Task Manager and saw that the tile had been
marked red as complete. I looked at the Bing imagery for that tile and
found Highway=tracks and paths and also buildings. If you want I could go
back to that task and add the detail that I have seen on Bing (if that is
acceptable) and then validate the tiles.
I was not looking at the suggested imagery so, rather than do something
wrong I decided to leave it for someone else to validate or correct.
I cannot always access the imagery requested in the Task Manager and when
this happens I just do not work on that task as there are plenty of others
to do.
More recent tasks have had a link to the requested imagery that works very
well and I have been able to work on those tiles without any difficulty.
Thank you whoever for that improvement.
I have also noticed that some mappers have been creating buildings with
random shapes not using the squaring or rounding tools available (something
I was guilty of when I first started). On a number of tiles I have had to
delete all the buildings and redraw them as they bore no resemblance to the
buildings on the imagery. Fortunately this is not happening too often.
Happy Mapping
Ralph
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Re: [HOT] Humanitarian Mapping

2014-04-26 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
Hello Tom,
Stephen Beckett at BBC, Click []  is putting
together a documentary on the HOT mapping of Lubumbashi where they used
printouts from OSM's request for emergency mapping, and may well be what
you are looking for to show your students.
Hope this helps
Ralph

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Hello. I am the GIS professor at a small school just southeast of
Pittsburgh,PA called California University of Pennsylvania. I am fairly new
to HOT. My students worked on MapGive as part of their lab.  How much
Humanitarian Mapping is occurring at colleges?  I also think another way to
expand the community would be through educational materials. For example,
it would be great if I could find some examples of how these maps are used
and then I could use these examples in my World Regional Geography class.
The students would not necessarily complete any mapping but they would
become aware of HOT.

Just my two cents
Tom Mueller
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[HOT] HOT Projects

2014-03-04 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
Hi All,
To start, congratulations to all the new voting members, to the newly
elected Board and the new Chair. Also to say thank you for a very user
friendly system that has been put in place so far.
I know you have quite a lot on your plate trying to make sense of the spate
of Humanitarian projects that came flooding in so am not expecting an
immediate response.
However there are quite a few of these projects which have been requested
and started but not completed. Are we still to go round completing these
projects or have some now fallen by the wayside as no longer required. My
request is some kind of indicators to let us at the mapping level know
which projects we should be working on to completion and in what order of
priority so we can best serve the interests of Humanitarian efforts.
Good luck in your new positions and I look forward to helping as best I can.
Thanking you
Ralph Aytoun
Cartographer (Retired)
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Re: [HOT] HOT Digest, Vol 47, Issue 33

2014-01-29 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
Thank you Johnny for raising that query. I too have been reluctant to touch
other people's work as there are validators who are a bit more experienced
to do that. I too shall now consider amendments if it is a glaring error.
Ralph Aytoun
Retired Cartographer


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> I'm not an experienced mapper.  I've only been helping since December,
> so I'm not sure I should be changing/deleting other people's data.
> However, I was looking around in task 400, checking out the 'done'
> squares to see how things should look, and I found a square where
> someone has tagged all of the house _nodes_ with building=yes, and in
> another square someone else has tagged the house ways as landuse=yes and
> included a highway in a relationship called "residential"
>
> I'm pretty sure that's not right.
>
> Is it OK for me to make changes?
> Should I contact Severin Menard and let him take care of it?
> Should I just mind my own business and not worry about other people's data?
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> Yes, please correct data.  In your case it looks like you've correctly
> identified tagging that is not consistent with documentation in the wiki
> (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org).  Often people mistakenly mark a task as
> done (or even validated).  It is often nice to contact the mapper who made
> the 'mistakes' as they could maybe use some help, but any improvement to
> the
> data should be welcome.
>
>
>
> Happy Mapping,
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> =Russ
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> From: Johnny Morbonovsky [mailto:johnny_mo...@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 2:10 PM
> To: hot@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: [HOT] Should I correct bad data?
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> I'm not an experienced mapper.  I've only been helping since December, so
> I'm not sure I should be changing/deleting other people's data.  However, I
> was looking around in task 400, checking out the 'done' squares to see how
> things should look, and I found a square where someone has tagged all of
> the
> house nodes with building=yes, and in another square someone else has
> tagged
> the house ways as landuse=yes and included a highway in a relationship
> called "residential"
>
> I'm pretty sure that's not right.
>
> Is it OK for me to make changes?
> Should I contact Severin Menard and let him take care of it?
> Should I just mind my own business and not worry about other people's data?
>
> Thanks
> Johnny M
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> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 17:09:48 +1300
> From: Tim McNamara 
> To: Russell Deffner 
> Cc: hot 
> Subject: Re: [HOT] Should I correct bad data?
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> I agree that corrections are better too :)
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> On 29 January 2014 11:12, Russell Deffner  wrote:
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> > Johnny,
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> >
> >
> > Yes, please correct data.  In your case it looks like you?ve correctly
> > identified tagging that is not consistent with documentation in the wiki
> (
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org).  Often people mistakenly mark a task as
> > done (or even validated).  It is often nice to contact the mapper who
> made
> > the ?mistakes? as they could maybe