[hugin-ptx] Re: Some hugin related scalable graphic

[Yuval Levy]

Carl von Einem wrote:
> First of all: I still love the hugin icon and startupscreen as it is
> now. The crayon style is so special!

me too. it is unique, and represents a unique period in the evolution of 
the project.

the careful *evolution* of a logo is not synonymous to disavowing its 
past. it epitomizes the many changes that have happened since the 
previous logo was adopted.

Yuv

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Some hugin related scalable graphic

[Carl von Einem]

First of all: I still love the hugin icon and startupscreen as it is
now. The crayon style is so special!

Bruno Postle wrote:
> On Tue 20-Oct-2009 at 14:12 -0400, Yuval Levy wrote:
>> 
> 
>> my preference so far is A4 for Hugin and B4 for the Batch stitcher, and
>> I could live with them as they are now. What do others think?
> 
> Me too, I like the single figure on the panorama background (A4 & A5 & C4 & 
> C5).  The repeating figure in B4 does make a lot of sense to 
> distinguish the Batch Processor.

Batch: instead of the repeated (and more and more out of focus) person I
think about (foot) steps, just smaller and smaller. How about that image?

>>from my perspective, what we still need is the handwritten "Hugin" under
>> the large version of the icon (e.g. in the "about" menu point.

That's the about dialog and also startup screen.

>From the newer versions I like the a9 version because of the trapezoid,
I see a plane (the geometric figure as mentioned in recent discussions,
not the aiplane)... I only think the plane in the background should
"look" in the other direction, i.e. it needs to be mirrored. I also have
a little problem with the soft white reflexes, they are too soft.

I'm amazed that the svg directly opens in Firefox! Adobe Illustrator
wouldn't do it BTW! "unknown Error", Haha!
Inkscape works... let's see if I can do some modifications.

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Some hugin related scalable graphic

[grow]

I think that once you know the  mythological origins of the name
"Hugin"
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huginn_and_Muninn
(which I must admit I only learned recently from someone here)
having something that suggests a raven in the icon is appealing.  For
me the stylised "h" has some echo of a flying raven about it and that
is something strongly  in its favour.  Also I like the horizontal
rectangle as invoking a conventional panorama,

So for those reasons I would favour:
   C2  and D2

all the best

George

On 20 Oct, 22:21, Bruno Postle  wrote:
> On Tue 20-Oct-2009 at 14:12 -0400, Yuval Levy wrote:
>
>
>
> >http://hugin-ptx.googlegroups.com/web/hug_icon+%282%29.svg
> >my preference so far is A4 for Hugin and B4 for the Batch stitcher, and
> >I could live with them as they are now. What do others think?
>
> Me too, I like the single figure on the panorama background (A4 & A5 & C4 &
> C5).  The repeating figure in B4 does make a lot of sense to
> distinguish the Batch Processor.
>
> >from my perspective, what we still need is the handwritten "Hugin" under
> >the large version of the icon (e.g. in the "about" menu point.
>
> Agreed.
>
> --
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[hugin-ptx] Re: Some hugin related scalable graphic

[Bruno Postle]

On Tue 20-Oct-2009 at 14:12 -0400, Yuval Levy wrote:
>
>http://hugin-ptx.googlegroups.com/web/hug_icon+%282%29.svg

>my preference so far is A4 for Hugin and B4 for the Batch stitcher, and
>I could live with them as they are now. What do others think?

Me too, I like the single figure on the panorama background (A4 & A5 & C4 & 
C5).  The repeating figure in B4 does make a lot of sense to 
distinguish the Batch Processor.

>from my perspective, what we still need is the handwritten "Hugin" under
>the large version of the icon (e.g. in the "about" menu point.

Agreed.

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Some hugin related scalable graphic

[David Haberthür]

Ciao a tutti

On 20.10.2009, at 20:12, Yuval Levy wrote:

> http://hugin-ptx.googlegroups.com/web/hug_icon+%282%29.svg
>
> displays right away in the browser (at least in Firefox 3.5 on  
> Ubuntu).

does display nicely on OS X snow leopard with Safari, albeit I had to  
reduce the size, since my monitor seems to be too small and the scroll- 
bars wouldn't show.

> my preference so far is A4 for Hugin and B4 for the Batch stitcher,  
> and
> I could live with them as they are now. What do others think?
>
> from my perspective, what we still need is the handwritten "Hugin"  
> under
> the large version of the icon (e.g. in the "about" menu point.

I actually prefer A9 and B9 which give a slight 3D-hint, something  
which might be more important with the upcoming layout model (as far  
as I understand it...).
I agree with Yuv and Bart that the name of the game (Hugin) should  
appear on the icon, even if that is generally not the case for  
application icons on OS X, but would make for a more squareish icon,  
which on the other hand is the case on OS X.

And finishing, I also would like to thank you for this nice refresh of  
the logo.

have a nice evening
habi


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[hugin-ptx] Re: Some hugin related scalable graphic

[Bart van Andel]

On 20 okt, 20:12, Yuval Levy  wrote:
> http://hugin-ptx.googlegroups.com/web/hug_icon+%282%29.svg
>
> displays right away in the browser (at least in Firefox 3.5 on Ubuntu).

Displays right away in Chrome 4.0 as well (and with earlier versions
too I believe),

> my preference so far is A4 for Hugin and B4 for the Batch stitcher, and
> I could live with them as they are now. What do others think?

+1 for Yuv's choice.

> from my perspective, what we still need is the handwritten "Hugin" under
> the large version of the icon (e.g. in the "about" menu point.

This is exactly what I was thinking. +1 again for handwriting under
large icons.
Should the batch stitcher also carry the word "batcher" or something
similar, you think?

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Some hugin related scalable graphic

[Yuval Levy]

ciao Cristian,

cri wrote:
> I've just uploaded to the list the svg file with all the "experiments"
> made until now.

bel lavoro, grazie! nice work, thanks!

if there is no objection I would like to use your work to refresh the 
Hugin look. Ideally I'd introduce it with the integration of James' new 
layout mode; and ideally this would be the first release in 2010.

http://hugin-ptx.googlegroups.com/web/hug_icon+%282%29.svg

displays right away in the browser (at least in Firefox 3.5 on Ubuntu).

my preference so far is A4 for Hugin and B4 for the Batch stitcher, and 
I could live with them as they are now. What do others think?

from my perspective, what we still need is the handwritten "Hugin" under 
the large version of the icon (e.g. in the "about" menu point.

When re-writing / re-designing the font, please note that we try to 
consistently capitalize Hugin now (I'll fix the about screen right away).

Yuv




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[hugin-ptx] Re: Some hugin related scalable graphic

[cri]

Back on this topic: finally I've got some spare time to work on the
hugin icons and make the modification suggested by Luca Vascon. I also
introduced a new version with the backdrop in perspective.
I've just uploaded to the list the svg file with all the "experiments"
made until now.

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Some hugin related scalable graphic

[cri]

On 27 Ago, 22:42, Yuv  wrote:
> To keep this thread alive - Cristian, are you still developing these
> SVG? and what license is attached to them?
>
I was in stand-by...I'm not very good talkin about licenses; for me
it's ok if anyone reuse them and make any improvement/modification.


> I also pinged Luca off-list, and this is what he had to say (sorry for
> those who do not understand Italian - executive summary below):
>
> Luca Vascon wrote:
> > La versione inkscape dello splashscreen ha perso qualcosa, mi piacerebbe
> > rimetterci le mani.
> > Quando torno dalle "ferie", che quest'anno no ci sono state... diciamo
> > che sto questa settimana in sabbath completo e totale.
> > Purtroppo i miei originali sono andati persi un bel po di tempo fa.
> > Le icone con la H, invece, mi piacciono assai. buono il concept e
> > l'esecuzione.
> > NON mi piace l'effetto out of focus dell'icona batch. Provare con una
> > trasparenza... effetto fantasmino.
> > In generale, cmq approvo.
>
> Executive Summary:
>
> In general, Luca approves. He likes the icons with the H. He dislikes
> the out of focus effect of the batch and would try with transparency.
In the next days I will try to make some modifications like Luca
suggested.


> The splash screen "has lost something" in his opinion and he'd like to
> put his hands on it - after his "holidays".
He is right as the others that replyed to that topic: I also think
that the crayon effect looks better than the uniform color but I'm not
able to reproduce it in Inkscape!

>
> Yuv
Thanks Yuv!
"...così tu e Luca parlate Italianointeressante!"
(...so, you and Luca speak Italianinteresting!)


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[hugin-ptx] Re: Some hugin related scalable graphic

[Yuv]

To keep this thread alive - Cristian, are you still developing these
SVG? and what license is attached to them?

I also pinged Luca off-list, and this is what he had to say (sorry for
those who do not understand Italian - executive summary below):

Luca Vascon wrote:
> La versione inkscape dello splashscreen ha perso qualcosa, mi piacerebbe
> rimetterci le mani.
> Quando torno dalle "ferie", che quest'anno no ci sono state... diciamo
> che sto questa settimana in sabbath completo e totale.
> Purtroppo i miei originali sono andati persi un bel po di tempo fa.
> Le icone con la H, invece, mi piacciono assai. buono il concept e
> l'esecuzione.
> NON mi piace l'effetto out of focus dell'icona batch. Provare con una
> trasparenza... effetto fantasmino.
> In generale, cmq approvo.

Executive Summary:

In general, Luca approves. He likes the icons with the H. He dislikes
the out of focus effect of the batch and would try with transparency.
The splash screen "has lost something" in his opinion and he'd like to
put his hands on it - after his "holidays".

Yuv
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[hugin-ptx] Re: Some hugin related scalable graphic - crayon is nice!

[Yuval Levy]

Bart van Andel wrote:
> Actually I "replied to author" on the google group, which went to your
> levy.ch account it seemed.

found it in the spam folder. I have a mail account for mailing lists 
that quarantines everything that is not coming from the list.


> The user id is 'bavanandel'

I added you to the developers and you should have SVN write access now. 
The website is in hugin/htdocs


> I cannot put a whole lot of time into it right now,

don't worry - this is Open Source, advance at your own pace.

I've opened a new folder in the website. hugin/htdocs/nd (for new 
design). It is unlinked, so you can experiment whatever you want there, 
ping the world when you need testing / opinions. When it is ready we can 
use it to replace htdocs.

What I would like to do is to release the refreshed 
website/logo/icons/etc) simultaneously with one of the next releases of 
Hugin.


> I'd like to see both the original crayon effect version and the glossy
> version shipped with Hugin, so users can select their own icon.

I'm against this. In marketing speech it's called watering down the 
brand. There is _one_ icon and _one_ logo and it is chosen by the team. 
I can live with any of them.

Maybe I would like the glossly a little bit more if the color would not 
look just like a big blurred patch, but would rather have the movement 
of a brush painting with aquarel similar to the movement of the chalk on 
the texture that we have now.


> maybe we can put up a small poll to see what users like
> best.

my vote is with Luca Vascon - the author of the original logo/icon. If 
he likes the derivative of his work, I'm with him.


Yuv

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Some hugin related scalable graphic - crayon is nice!

[Bart van Andel]

On 24 jul, 14:37, Yuval Levy  wrote:
> It seems to be a marketing-habit to change / evolve the logo / icon from
> time to time, like it is to change the website (Bart, any news? I still
> don't have your SourceForge user id).

Actually I "replied to author" on the google group, which went to your
levy.ch account it seemed. The user id is 'bavanandel', but I have to
add that I cannot put a whole lot of time into it right now,
unfortunately I have other (more important) business to finish atm.

About the svg files: I like the glossy finish versions, but I'd
suggest to put the glossy white overlay behind the character, so it's
more like the puppet is presenting a panorama. That said, I think the
widescreen logos will better suit Hugin as it represents the shape of
a panorama a bit.

I'd like to see both the original crayon effect version and the glossy
version shipped with Hugin, so users can select their own icon. For
the website, one logo will have to be chosen. If the glossy one is
finished, maybe we can put up a small poll to see what users like
best.

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Some hugin related scalable graphic - crayon is nice!

[Yuval Levy]

Luís Henrique Camargo Quiroz wrote:
> Me too - perhaps because of acquaintance?

me definitely because of acquaintance, and because I started to print on 
canvas and it reminds me of its texture.

that said, acquaintance is a treacherous friend.

What is more important to me, in this thread, is to hear Luca Vascon's 
opinion about this derivative of his work.

The rest I am pretty much agnostic about as long as we do it well. I can 
live with both the existing and the new set.

It seems to be a marketing-habit to change / evolve the logo / icon from 
time to time, like it is to change the website (Bart, any news? I still 
don't have your SourceForge user id).

What is important to me is that we do it coordinated (i.e. new logo, new 
website, new release) so that it is an effective marketing push (did I 
tell you that when I was in Switzerland I saw a Hugin logo printed on 
the cover of a PC magazine? I should have bought it).

Yuv

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Some hugin related scalable graphic - crayon is nice!

[Luís Henrique Camargo Quiroz]

Klaus Foehl escreveu:

  Hello

On 22 July, 05:01, Yuval Levy  wrote:
  
  
the logo itself, I'm not sure - it is basically the same logo, but with
a glossy / aquarel effect rather than Luca's original matte / crayon effect.

  
  
Personally, I also like the crayon effect of the original logo.
Just my 2 EURO-cent ;-)

Klaus
  


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[hugin-ptx] Re: Some hugin related scalable graphic

[Klaus Foehl]

Hello

On 22 July, 05:01, Yuval Levy  wrote:
> the logo itself, I'm not sure - it is basically the same logo, but with
> a glossy / aquarel effect rather than Luca's original matte / crayon effect.

Personally, I also like the crayon effect of the original logo.
Just my 2 EURO-cent ;-)

Klaus
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[hugin-ptx] Re: Some hugin related scalable graphic

[cri]

Thanks for the comments!
I've uploaded to the list a new svg file in which I've added the man
with open arms. I will try to play with a border for the batch icon as
suggested by James.
I have to say that with the man they look a lot better than my version
with the "h"!

>...without border (though with the shade of white passing
> in front of the h, like in the square ones).

I think that the highlight looks good over the symbol only if the
symbol is contained in the icon. By the way I will try to add it to
the file in the next days!
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[hugin-ptx] Re: Some hugin related scalable graphic

[James Legg]

On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 20:19 +0200, Cristian Marchi wrote:
> In the last week, in an attempt to learn to use inkscape, I've redone in 
> svg format the hugin logo that is present in the splash screen. While 
> doing that, I came up with an idea to remake the hugin icons; I've 
> attached the results. Let me know if you like it; I'm not going to be 
> offended  from negative feedback ;-)

I also like the wide variation of the icons.

The batch processor icon is a little confusing, there should be a
contrasting border around each 'h' so that they are distinguishable from
each other where they overlap. (Or similar if you replace it with the
man with open arms.)

-James


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[hugin-ptx] Re: Some hugin related scalable graphic

[David Haberthür]

Ciao a tutti.

On 22.07.2009, at 05:01, Yuval Levy wrote:

> Cristian Marchi wrote:
>> In the last week, in an attempt to learn to use inkscape, I've  
>> redone in
>> svg format the hugin logo that is present in the splash screen. While
>> doing that, I came up with an idea to remake the hugin icons; I've
>> attached the results. Let me know if you like it; I'm not going to be
>> offended  from negative feedback ;-)
>
> nice work! Luca Vascon who contributed the original logo and icon may
> comment about refreshing / updating the application's logo and icon.

I like the update on the hugin logo, except that I think the font is  
worse than the font used in the logo by Luca.

> Of the icons my favorite are those with the wide rectangle (as opposed
> to the square), without border (though with the shade of white passing
> in front of the h, like in the square ones).
>
> have you tried putting the man with the open arms instead of the h?

I'd also vote for keeping the man with the open arms. I think it's a  
nice gesture, which relates to the scope of the program itself. And  
since most panoramas are wide rectangles I'd also vote for a wide  
variant.

Buona sera.
Habi

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Some hugin related scalable graphic

[Yuval Levy]

ciao Cristian,

Cristian Marchi wrote:
> In the last week, in an attempt to learn to use inkscape, I've redone in 
> svg format the hugin logo that is present in the splash screen. While 
> doing that, I came up with an idea to remake the hugin icons; I've 
> attached the results. Let me know if you like it; I'm not going to be 
> offended  from negative feedback ;-)

nice work! Luca Vascon who contributed the original logo and icon may 
comment about refreshing / updating the application's logo and icon.

Of the icons my favorite are those with the wide rectangle (as opposed 
to the square), without border (though with the shade of white passing 
in front of the h, like in the square ones).

have you tried putting the man with the open arms instead of the h?

the logo itself, I'm not sure - it is basically the same logo, but with 
a glossy / aquarel effect rather than Luca's original matte / crayon effect.

What do other people think, particularly Luca? and the developers?

Yuv

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