Re: [i3] vi and ADM-3A terminal
Hi Daniel, Excerpts from Daniel Bolgheroni's message of 2012-04-26 16:52:01 +0200: Are there any reasons to shift right the classic vi 'hjkl' directions commands to 'hjk;'? Yes, hjk; is on the homerow, that is, you don't have to take your hands of your keyboard, while typing, to navigate your windows. There is a historic reason for using 'hjkl': http://www.catonmat.net/blog/why-vim-uses-hjkl-as-arrow-keys/ http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3684763 I personally don't care that much about “historical reasons”, the whole qwertz-layout-thing is due to “historical reasons” and it sucks ;) Besides this, there is a practical reason too. On a lot of non-US layout keyboards, ';' doesn't come at the right side of 'k', where 'hjkl' is almost universal. This makes a pain use i3 with the default conf. In the default, i3 should run the configuration-manager at startup. The default-config uses keycodes and it should use your current keyboard, to transform that into keysymbols. Therefore the layout you use shouldn't matter in the default-case. If you switch layouts often, use the default-default-config (in /etc/i3/config in debian, or in ./i3.config in the source), it uses keycodes and will therefore automatically adapt to your needs ;) The main developer (and the biggest userbase at least in the beginnings of i3) uses a non-US-layout by the way ;) Kind regards, Axel signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [i3] vi and ADM-3A terminal
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 05:48:11PM +0200, Axel Wagner wrote: Hi Daniel, Yes, hjk; is on the homerow, that is, you don't have to take your hands of your keyboard, while typing, to navigate your windows. Yes, I know the concept. But, unfortunately and at least in my case, ';' is not on the homerow. I don't mind having to adjust .i3/config. What I don't understand is why is shifted. Is it to make room for Mod+h (horizontal) and make it coherent? Sorry, but to me, it doesn't make sense to use 'jkl;' in i3 and jump to all vi-based apps and use 'hjkl'. Of course, I can configure all programs to use 'jkl;' too (ksh in vi-mode, vimperator, xxxterm, mutt, vim itself, muttator, etc.), but this is even more non-sense. I personally don't care that much about “historical reasons”, the whole qwertz-layout-thing is due to “historical reasons” and it sucks ;) Yes but it's what we have available. I never saw a non-QWERTY layout with my own eyes. Thank you.
Re: [i3] vi and ADM-3A terminal
Hi Daniel, Quoting Daniel Bolgheroni (2012-04-26 21:55:01) Yes, I know the concept. But, unfortunately and at least in my case, ';' is not on the homerow. Axel already mentioned that you should be presented with i3-config-wizard on your first start of i3, which will generate an i3 config based on keyboard codes instead of keyboard symbols. So, in that config file, whichever key is on your homerow ends up being the focus right key. I don't mind having to adjust .i3/config. What I don't understand is why is shifted. Is it to make room for Mod+h (horizontal) and make it coherent? It is shifted because your fingers are supposed to rest in that position. Sorry, but to me, it doesn't make sense to use 'jkl;' in i3 and jump to all vi-based apps and use 'hjkl'. Of course, I can configure all programs to use 'jkl;' too (ksh in vi-mode, vimperator, xxxterm, mutt, vim itself, muttator, etc.), but this is even more non-sense. You could use the arrow keys in these applications. The arrow keys are comfortable reachable in decent keyboard layouts such as neo-layout.org. Yes but it's what we have available. I never saw a non-QWERTY layout with my own eyes. How would you *see* what layout people are using? I don’t care what’s printed on my keys ;-). Best regards, Michael
Re: [i3] vi and ADM-3A terminal
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:09:17PM +0200, Michael Stapelberg wrote: Hi Daniel, Axel already mentioned that you should be presented with i3-config-wizard on your first start of i3, which will generate an i3 config based on keyboard codes instead of keyboard symbols. So, in that config file, whichever key is on your homerow ends up being the focus right key. I think it depends on packaging. On OpenBSD package, I didn't see this, but I don't care. Really. You could use the arrow keys in these applications. The arrow keys are comfortable reachable in decent keyboard layouts such as neo-layout.org. I stripped off my arrow keys with a screwdriver. [1] How would you *see* what layout people are using? I don’t care what’s printed on my keys ;-). Me too. Actually, I only remap Tab to be my Esc, and Caps Lock to be my Control, just like ADM-3A terminal. It's very handy to have Esc closer to homerow. Cheers, [1] Just kidding. But I don't use them.
