Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Volunteer help wanted: Elections officer, marketing, story-telling, and more

[Samson Goddy]

Hello Devin,

I am happy about this:

I am so glad to do most of this, including supporting the website as I used
to FYI I am in the process of submitting a talk for PyconAfrica, with the
aim of bringing people to contribute to Sugar Labs.

On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 3:16 PM Devin Ulibarri  wrote:

> Dear Sugar community members,
>
> Sugar Labs is growing, and we need volunteer help with various tasks.
>
> To help keep track of the various roles and tasks where help is needed, I
> created the following page on our wiki:
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Help_Wanted
> Some of the roles that I'd like to highlight are:
>
>- Elections Officer: Help run elections for Sugar Labs' board members;
>This role will receive support from myself, as ED, and the board.
>- Website help: sugarlabs.org is a static site, created with Jeckyll.
>We could use some help updating it, improving it, and documenting a 
> workflow
>- New volunteers for our Marketing Team: Help us bring Sugar Labs to
>the people!
>- Sugar Labs stories: Did participating in the Sugar Labs community
>have a positive impact on your life? If so, we'd like to help you tell that
>story. Simply send an approx. three paragraph draft, and we'll help you
>edit and publish it.
>- Don't have any time for the above? Well, the easiest way to support
>with your time is to follow us on social media and share/boost our posts.
>Help us spread the word!
>
> Best,
>
> Devin
>
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Re: [IAEP] GCI discontinued - backup plan

[Samson Goddy]

Yes, Walter mentioned it at some point, looking forward in helping too.


Regards

On Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 6:43 PM Samson Goddy 
wrote:

> Yes, Walter mentioned it at some point, looking forward in helping too.
>
>
> Regards
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 6:32 PM Jui Pradhan  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I'm aware that GCI has been discontinued and sugarlabs was a
>> participating organization before. Generally, it was around December and
>> January.
>> I remember reading a mail about the discussion on "how we might continue
>> the concept without formal support".
>> Has anything been finalized yet? Also, I would be happy to help. Do let
>> me know.
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Regards,
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Tom Gilliard

[Samson Goddy]

This is really sad for us a community, losing a very important person is no
easy for anyone. My regards to Tom's family and grateful for the work he
contributed.


- Samson
On Sun, Jul 26, 2020, 9:48 PM Walter Bender  wrote:

> I am saddened by the news that Tom Gilliard (satellit), long time Sugar
> contributor has passed away after a long illness.
>
> Tom was one of our most dedicated and diligent testers of Sugar builds (on
> a wide variety of GNU/Linux platforms) and a great advocate who will be
> missed.
>
> Tom's wife Virginia can be reached at sandykayak...@gmail.com
>
> -walter
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] FYI: GCI is discontinued

[Samson Goddy]

I am interested in helping to work on this idea too and I think it will be
a good idea to get this going.


Regards

On Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 1:50 PM Walter Bender  wrote:

> A few of us have been discussing how we might continue the concept without
> formal Google support. Stay tuned.
>
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 2:58 AM Hrishi Patel 
> wrote:
>
>> That is extremely sad. I read that email, I have so many good memories
>> with GCI.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 2:25 AM Devin Ulibarri 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Members of the GCI Mentors mailing list received this message today
>>> from Stephanie T. of Google.
>>>
>>> Some of you may not be on that list, but interested to know so I am
>>> copying it here.
>>>
>>> Thanks to everyone for all their efforts (and hacking) over the years
>>> for GCI with SL!
>>>
>>> > Hi GCI Mentors and Org Admins,
>>> >
>>> > Google Code-in concluded 10 amazing, productive, exhilarating years
>>> > in January. This program has been a success because of the amazing
>>> > energy and passion all of you have exhibited; volunteering dozens,
>>> > hundreds, and in some cases, thousands(!) of hours to help 14,700+
>>> > teenagers, from 115+ countries, complete a whopping 76,200+ open
>>> > source tasks, during the past 10 years!
>>> >
>>> > We wanted all of you to be among the first to know that Google Code-
>>> > in 2019 was our final Google Code-in contest. We've been looking hard
>>> > at our portfolio of programs and as open source evolves, our programs
>>> > need to evolve too. We've decided to focus our efforts on Google
>>> > Summer of Code and programs like Season of Docs that meet projects'
>>> > sustainability needs going into the next 10 years of open source.
>>> >
>>> > We want to thank you all for being inspiring role models to these
>>> > students. Many of you were GCI or GSoC students yourselves and have
>>> > been paying it forward for years by helping teenagers discover their
>>> > passion for open source software development. The extent of your
>>> > support was something many didn’t expect when they first started out
>>> > trying to complete a few tasks to earn a Google T-shirt.
>>> >
>>> > You have welcomed students into your communities and shown them how
>>> > open source is making the world a better place and how they can be a
>>> > part of that. You all have inspired, taught, listened, and made a
>>> > difference in the lives of thousands of students. THANK YOU! These
>>> > students have brought fresh new perspectives and ideas into your
>>> > communities, inspiring long-term committers with their enthusiasm,
>>> > curiosity and skills.
>>> >
>>> > Many of you have been mentors for all 10 years of GCI (plus GHOP!),
>>> > while others came into the GCI family just this past year. Regardless
>>> > of when you joined, thank you all for showing immense kindness,
>>> > patience, dedication, organization and guidance to the students, the
>>> > other mentors in our GCI community, and to me and the rest of our
>>> > team over the years.
>>> >
>>> > These past 10 years of Google Code-in have been an exciting,
>>> > adrenaline pumping adventure – thanks for coming along on the ride
>>> > with us!
>>> >
>>> > We will continue to be dedicated to helping open source communities
>>> > be sustainable and finding new contributors is an essential part of
>>> > those efforts. While Google Code-in is now officially retired, we
>>> > look forward to finding new ways to support your communities.
>>> >
>>> > Best,
>>> > Stephanie Taylor
>>> > GCI Program Lead
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [Sugar-devel] Oversight Board Elections 2019-21 has begun!

[Samson Goddy]

Same here too

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 11:34 PM Martin Abente <
martin.abente.lah...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Seems to work fine :)
>
> In case someone has an unmanageable inbox like myself, just search for
> "sugar labs election" and you should find it.
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 7:24 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam <
> ibiamchihurumn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Agreed, I didn't make the suggestion earlier as I'm part of the people
>> who have access to the alias, kindly remove every one who's a candidate
>> from the alias.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 10:53 PM James Cameron  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Vipul.
>>>
>>> It works, I voted.
>>>
>>> Please add memb...@sugarlabs.org and sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org to the
>>> election results destination?  This will be more transparent.  We had
>>> memb...@sugarlabs.org on the results destination in previous years.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 11:21:13PM +0530, Vipul Gupta wrote:
>>> > Hello folks,
>>> > The Oversight Board election 2019-21 is upon us. In your inboxes, you
>>> would
>>> > have received a unique email from CIVS or [1]c...@cs.cornell.edu with
>>> the
>>> > options to poll for the candidates.
>>> >
>>> > The poll is open from 15th January 2020 to 31st January 2020. You can
>>> find more
>>> > information on the candidates here [2]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/
>>> > Oversight_Board/2019-2021-candidates.
>>> >
>>> > Please check your spam folders or promotions if you can't find it. Add
>>> the
>>> > email address to your contact list and mark as not spam when you find
>>> it.
>>> > As always, looking forward to hearing any questions you all would
>>> have. Do cast
>>> > your vote!
>>> >
>>> > Best,
>>> > Vipul Gupta
>>> > [3]Mixster | [4]Github
>>> >
>>> > References:
>>> >
>>> > [1] mailto:c...@cs.cornell.edu
>>> > [2] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2019-2021-candidates
>>> > [3] https://mixstersite.wordpress.com/
>>> > [4] https://github.com/vipulgupta2048
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[IAEP] From OLPC XO To Positivo: Rwanda Sets The Bar Higher

[Samson Goddy]

Hello everyone,

I saw this article online, and I thought it should be an interesting
read[1].


[1]
https://ktpress.rw/2019/11/from-olpc-xo-to-positivo-rwanda-sets-the-bar-higher/

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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] GCI 2019

[Samson Goddy]

Awesome news.

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 6:30 PM ANIKET MATHUR  wrote:

> Congrats, that's great
>
> On Tue, 29 Oct 2019, 10:42 pm Amaan Iqbal, 
> wrote:
>
>> Amazing!
>> Congratulations to us!
>>
>> On Oct 29, 2019 10:39 PM, "Jaskirat Singh" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Awesome.
>>>
>>> On Tue, 29 Oct 2019, 10:37 pm Walter Bender, 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Sugar Labs has been selected as a Google Code-in 2019 mentor
 organization.
 I'll send some details this evening.

 regards.

 -walter

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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Google Code-in 2019

[Samson Goddy]

Excited to hear that we are applying this year. I am interested to be a
mentor this year.


Regards

On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 4:12 PM Samson Goddy 
wrote:

> Excited to hear that we are applying this year. I am interested to be a
> mentor this year.
>
>
> Regards
>
> On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 3:04 PM Rishabh Thaney 
> wrote:
>
>> Awesome!
>> Was looking forward to this, would love to mentor again
>>
>> On Fri, 11 Oct 2019 at 7:31 PM, Arnav Mandal 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello everyone!
>>>
>>> I hope you all are doing well. I would love to mentor sugar labs for
>>> GCI'19.
>>>
>>> As a brief introduction of myself, I am a final year student from India.
>>> I was a GSoC'19 student with AboutCode. I have worked with Amazon and
>>> Directi as well as a software developer.
>>> I have been a part of organizations such as Fossasia, JgraphT and Coala.
>>> From the past few months, I have been regularly taking part in the Sugar
>>> Labs discussion.
>>>
>>> Please let me know how to start contributing to Sugar Labs as a mentor
>>> for GCI'19.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Arnav Mandal
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 7:19 PM Vaibhav Aren 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1. I am excited to mentor again.
>>>> Did someone export last year's tasks?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 3:36 AM Sumit Srivastava <
>>>> sumitsrisu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yay! All the best to everyone involved with the ambitious mission of
>>>>> Sugar Labs!
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Sumit
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 11, 2019, 3:25 AM Walter Bender 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've begun putting together our application to GCI 2019. And I have
>>>>>> created a page in the wiki with background information [2]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you are interested in mentoring, please let me know (and add your
>>>>>> name to the list at the bottom of the wiki page.). Please indicate what
>>>>>> areas you wish to help with (coding, design, research, documentation, and
>>>>>> QA) and relevant experience in the Sugar Labs community.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking forward to GCI.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> regards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -walter
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] https://codein.withgoogle.com/
>>>>>> [2] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Google_Code_In_2019
>>>>>>
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] GCI summit travel

[Samson Goddy]

+1 from me.



On Wed, May 29, 2019, 3:44 AM James Cameron  wrote:

> I approve.
>
> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 10:07:04PM -0400, Walter Bender wrote:
> > I've been selected by the GCI winners to represent SL at the summit next
> month.
> > Google has provided US $1500 for travel (all other expenses are directly
> > covered by Google.) I anticipate that the total cost of my trip will be
> < US
> > $1000. I'd like approval from SLOB before booking my flight.
> >
> > regards.
> >
> > -walter
> >
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> > [1]http://www.sugarlabs.org
> > [2]
> >
> > References:
> >
> > [1] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > [2] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
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[IAEP] Linux Do it for the Children

[Samson Goddy]

Hello,


Here is an interesting article about Sugar Desktop.

https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linuxdo-it-children
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Re: [IAEP] New Nielsen Norman study on children's user interfaces

[Samson Goddy]

I agree with James on that. It is an interesting read, it will be great if
Sugar Labs get the group version.

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 12:32 AM James Cameron  Thanks, interesting.
>
> The summary is useful.
>
> If anyone has purchased a full copy or accessed it through their
> university, please let us know what you think.
>
> Sugar Labs could purchase a group license, and make it available to
> members only, but to make that decision we'd need to know it was worth
> the price.  The price is very small compared to the money we have.
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[IAEP] Gsoc Mentor Stipends

[Samson Goddy]

Hello all,

I am writing to update the community about the decision for using the
Google money towards marketing. The mentors all agreed that it is going to
be a great idea to use the funds to promote the Sugar Labs tools by having
promotional swags, like T-shirt, stickers, and mugs.

Here on this mail are the mentors that made the agreement. So the marketing
team will have to make a plan for the Oversight Board to properly agree to
make it a budget for marketing.


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Re: [IAEP] SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019

[Samson Goddy]

On Sun, Dec 23, 2018, 5:17 PM Caryl Bigenho  Hi Kenneth and all... my reference to Windows is only to say we should try
> to show that Sugar can run on whatever hardware they happen to have. We
> won’t be running Windows but it would be nice to have SOAS running on a
> machine that is a Windows machine.
>
If I can come in.

I totally agree. We know, most classrooms uses either windows or Mac OSX.
So I think showing that Sugarizer have potential in running sugar desktop
directly on those machines would be great.

Today I saw on Twitter that Sugarizer will be coming as a native app for
MacOSX.

I think we need to follow up with Lionel on that. Sugar can also run
Windows by Virtual Box(Soas)

Hrishi came up with a brilliant plan for Sugar taking leverage of windows
10 OS too.

So at the moment Sugar as a Desktop can literally run anywhere including
Raspberry Pi.


Sugar by itself (Soas)

Sugar with Linux

Sugarizer (chrome app, native app)

Sugar on Raspberry Pi

Sugar with Virtual Box

Sugar with Windows (Hrishi can you throw some light)


Regards


>
>
> Caryl
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 22, 2018, at 9:31 PM, Kenneth Wyrick  wrote:
> >
> > Caryl,
> >
> > Forget the Windoz stuff.
> >
> > For me it would be best to push OSSIE as the general theme of the booth.
> > The olpc, sugar and most anything else we have should fit into OSSIE.
> Over
> > the years we have established OSSIE and even though we do not host
> meetups
> > throughout the year, so that we have projects for SCALE we should still
> us
> > OSSIE as the broad category of systems and resources for the booth.
> >
> > We need to have a running Internet-in-a-Box (IIAB) XSCE School Server
> > https://github.com/iiab/iiab/wiki/IIAB-6.7-Release-Notes
> > (works good on a laptop and there's a raspberry pi install)
> >
> > and we also need to have
> >
> > RACHEL Pis that someone creates, to share, demo and display:
> > https://store.worldpossible.org/
> >
> > If we asked WorldPossible they might even donate or loan us what we need
> > in exchange for recognition and promotion in our booth.
> >
> > If there are no objections to the about two systems. I'll work on
> > providing them.
> >
> > On Sat, December 22, 2018 4:50 pm, Caryl Bigenho wrote:
> > Hi Alex... and all...
> >
> > I also have several XOs that I can bring to SCaLE, including one of the
> > blue high school models.
> >
> > I have never been much of a fan of SOAS because it never worked well and
> > reliably when I tried it. When it first came out I did a workshop at a
> > CUE-LA conference and no one was particularly impressed with it. Is there
> > a better version now? What will it run on and how difficult is it to make
> > it work? I have an older Mac we can use for it, we should have it on
> > something running Windows as well.
> >
> > Yes, you are absolutely correct about needing to explain Sugar to the
> > people who should be our target audience... educators, parents, and
> > children. Perhaps we could get the help of educators, like your wife
> (and,
> > perhaps, Sameer's wife... a math teacher). We could ask them to choose
> > some of the Activities they feel are best and most useful and tell us why
> > they chose them. I am a retired Science teacher so I can speak for the
> > science Activities.
> >
> > Guzman Trinidad in Uruguay is sending me a copy of his new book, "Fisica
> > con el XO" (Physics with the XO). Perhaps we can set up some of his
> > experiments. It would also be interesting to see if we can do some of
> them
> > with Sugar/Sugarizer on other devices.
> >
> > Caryl
> >
> > P.S. To Walter... what is the size of the Sugar Labs banner you have?
> >
> > P.P.S. To All check your schedules and see if you can make it to
> SCaLE
> > this year, If so, are you interested in getting together to rent a house
> > in Pasadena? Let me know.
> > 
> > From: Alex Perez 
> > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 11:25 AM
> > To: Caryl Bigenho
> > Cc: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; Sameer Verma; aaron Kaplan;
> > georgejh...@gmail.com; Jaskirat Singh; Tim Moody; Kenneth Wyrick
> > Subject: Re: SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019
> >
> > Caryl,
> >
> > The fact of the matter is that there really are 240 subscribers on the
> > IAEP mailing list :) That said, I'm sure the percentage of folks who
> > actually bother to read, much less participate, in these conversations is
> > a tiny fraction of that.
> >
> > As far as the banner goes, my personal opinion on the "2.0" label is that
> > it's _way_ overused, has run its course, and that we should try to come
> up
> > with a more descriptive term to use instead. It was popularized around
> > 2004, and If I had a dollar for every time I read something referred to
> as
> > "$shinyThing" 2.0 I'd probably have a few hundred thousand dollars, at
> > this point.
> >
> > With regards to slapping more logos on a new banner, we should probably
> > try to reach some sort of agreement on which logos should be added,
> > dropped, 

[IAEP] Sugar Labs 2018-2020 Oversight Board Election Results

[Samson Goddy]

Hello,

43 out of 167 Sugar Labs member voted during the Sugar Labs 2018-2020
Election.

Congratulations to the winners who have been selected for the 2018-2020
period:

1. *Walter Bender*
2. *James Cameron*
3. *Lionel Laské*
*4. Alex Perez *
*5. Devin Ulibarri*

Results are available at the following URL:

https://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_7e20f77cd6595bfe=dd2850a107103a39

For more information about the Condorcet Internet Voting Service, see
http://civs.cs.cornell.edu

Many thanks to Ibiam Chihurumnaya, Rahul Bothra, Jaskirat Singh, Anmol
Mishra, and Amaan Iqbal for their candidacies submissions and for their
interest to be part of the Sugar Labs Oversight Board.

Many thanks to everyone in the Membership and Elections Committee, for all
their efforts and time dedicated to maintaining the Sugar Labs member's
list.

Many thanks to the Wiki and Systems teams for their ongoing support.



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[IAEP] Reminder (Election)

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Hello,


We have 5 days left until deadline for voting. if you haven't received a
ballot for the election, feel free to contact me. Make sure you search your
spam folder for "civs" to double check before writing to me.

If you haven't voted, I encourage you to do so.

Regards

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[IAEP] Election day

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Hello,

Today is election day

Please feel free to send me a mail, if you haven't received your ballot.

Try to Search for "Poll: Sugar Labs Oversight Board Election 2018" from
c...@cs.cornell.edu to get the mail. Also, try to scan your spam or junk
folder.


Happy New Month / Voting

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Re: [IAEP] Announcement of the candicacy of Lionel Laské for SLOB

[Samson Goddy]

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 10:21 PM Lionel Laské 
wrote:

>
> Hi Alex,
>
> Le mar. 27 nov. 2018 à 18:27, Alex Perez  a écrit :
>
>> Lionel,
>>
>> Thank you for stepping forward. I encourage others to ask questions of
>> you as well. I have a few:
>>
>> Sure, you're welcome.
>
>
>> Are you willing to state that you will make your best effort to attend
>> all SLOB meetings? There is no statement to this effect on your candidacy
>> page, and as you are no doubt aware, I have called out a number of current
>> SLOB members out regarding their extremely poor attendance.
>>
>> Few things about that.
> Thanks for the count you've done about attendance for each SLOB member. I
> respect your work however I must say you're wrong on me at least for the
> last meeting. I was there as you could see on the log.  BTW the question is
> not about meeting attendance but more about meeting content. I must say
> that we spent in 2 previous years lot of time and energy to talk and debate
> about travel reimbursement for some members. These debates discouraged lot
> of SLOB members and it's probably the reason some of them decided to not
> candidate again. I must confess I was questioning myself too: your own
> candidacy was one reason to motivate me that something could be changed
> (please James, join us too ;-).
> Finally, I'm not sure anyone could have doubt about my personal engagement
> in SugarLabs during past years.
>
>
>> Also, on your candidacy page, you state "We are an open source community.
>> It should be asserted on our webpage and we must choose tools compatible
>> with that philosophy. It's not acceptable for example that today the
>> SugarLabs webpage include multiple tracking tools."
>>
>> Can you be more specific about what sort of tracking tools you believe
>> are problematic? I personally agree that the Sugar Labs website needs to do
>> a better job explaining what the project is, and that it is an open source
>> project (these words to not appear anywhere on the Sugar Labs landing page).
>>
>> I think specifically to Google Analytics. But as you said the main point
> is that words Open Source should appears clearly.
>

I believe in improvement and how to make a community better. As a member of
Sugar Labs, have you considered opening an issue on the www-sugarlabs to
bring in a better alternative? Ignoring things, as a community member when
have a better solution for "me" isn't a good way to grow a community.

(My opinion)

>
> Regards,
>> Alex Perez
>>
>>
> Lionel Laské 
>> November 27, 2018 at 9:02 AM
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm proud to be candidate for the SugarLabs Oversight Board election.
>>
>> Find more about my candidacy here:
>> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2018-2020-candidates/Lionel_Lask%C3%A9
>>
>> Best regards from France.
>>
>> Lionel.
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Trip Report during visit to GSOC Summit

[Samson Goddy]

Awesome

On Mon, Nov 26, 2018, 8:43 PM James Cameron  Thanks.  Text of document inserted below, for our mailing list
> archives, as we do lose access to Google Documents later if accounts
> are compromised.
>
> --
>
> Journey To GSOC events, USA
>
>
> I never expected that this would be one of the turning points in the life.
> My journey to Google gave me opportunity to learn and explore new things in
> the current world.
>
>
> I was given the chance to represent Sugar Labs at Google Summer of Code
> Meetup in Google Office, San Francisco, California, USA. This was really an
> amazing experience meeting prodigious people from different organisations
> and other communities especially the Google Open Source Team all over the
> globe.
>
>
> L to R: Joshua Simmons(Google), Jaskirat Singh
>   me and Cat Allman (Google)
> (me) & Stephanie Taylor (Google OSPM)
>
>
> The major importance of this meetup was to connect with background
> Contributors i.e. students with the real time organisations and their
> missions. This meetup had various people including Google Code In and
> Google Summer of code students, mentors and organization administrators.
>
>
> I connected with many people especially students in order to explain the
> functionality and product service of Sugar Labs. I had a very nice time
> spending hours with Mifos, Liquid Galaxy, Catrobat, and other organisation
> org admins: talking about collaboration and networking.
>
>
>
>
> GSOC Meetup pic at Google San Francisco
>
>
> Many students at this meetup were quite interested to know about the Sugar
> and make their contribution in the next GSOC that is GSOC’2019. I tried
> partnering with Liquid Galaxy here in order to introduce Turtle Blocks and
> Music Blocks in their laptops which they recently launched in order to
> expand within educational institutions. These laptops were similar to the
> Chromebooks.
>
>
> The best time I had here was when I was demonstrating about the
> productivity of Sugar Labs especially Turtle Blocks and they were looking
> deeply into its codebase.
>
>
> Then I moved to Sunnyvale for attending the GSOC Mentor Summit. The blood
> ran into my spine when the Stephanie Taylor ( GSOC Open Source Team member
> ) introduced about me at Summit.
>
>
> The GSOC mentor Summit was a 3 day “unconference”. The people from
> different participating organisations proposed and held various session
> that included about Open Source, Organisation, projects, and other
> miscellaneous topics.
>
>
>
>
>   Opening Ceremony of GSOC Summit
>Organising sessions
>
>
> During the starting ceremony the Google Team instructed and explained us
> about importance of this summit.
>
>
> It was indeed pleasure to meet Devin Ulibarri (SL Org Admin in GSOC);
> discussing about the past histories of Sugar Labs and new plans for it. I
> discussed my idea of organising the Sugar Labs Summit once in the year. So
> maybe this gonna be covered in my next upcoming doc. Devin explained me
> about the Music and Music Blocks project going  in the Japan went he had
> been there. We also discussed about new User interface features for the
> Music Blocks and Turtle Blocks like creating a “New Tab window”, “Theme
> Changer”, etc.
>
>
>
>
> Pic with Devin Ulibarri ( Sugar Labs )
>
>
> I along with Devin attended many session, but the one I liked most was
> Google Season of Docs (GSOD). This session was lead by Sarah Maddox, a tech
> writer at Google who talked about of bringing more tech writers  into Open
> Source projects.
>
>
> “GSoD is similar to Google Summer of Code but focuses on docs and
> technical writers, rather than on code and students. The target
> participants are experienced tech writers who can work with us on our docs.
> The writing part of GSoD will run for 3 months, similar to GSoC. Another
> difference is that the technical writers will not be earning stipends, they
> will be doing this to learn more about open source code and working on
> developer focused docs with code and building their resume.”
>
>
> So this was really interesting topic to know  and understand about it. I
> really want to see this that how this will impact on Open Source
> organisations. This deck has more details about this program
> https://goo.gl/3Bpris
> It was really good when Devin introduced the Music Blocks project that was
> done by Riya Lohiya in GSOC’18 under the SL org. Although his talk was
> restricted to 3 mins, Devin was able to express beautifully within that
> time perfectly.
>
>
>
>
>  ( While Devin was explaining about the Riya Lohia’s project ( an intern
> in Sugar labs under GSOC’18 ) )
>
>
> I also organised a session and talked about Open Source Social Networking
> platform. Discussed this with Google Open Source Team too and they were
> really glad and wanted to see that how it come up.
>
>
> Having lunch with Karen Sandler from Software Freedom Conservancy
> including other member project member was really fun. We discussed

[IAEP] Stage II November: Election

[Samson Goddy]

Greetings,

Sugar Lab's Elections and Membership Committee announces the upcoming
*2018-2020
Sugar Labs Oversight Board Election
<https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2018-2020-candidates>. *

*F**our (4) Oversight Board members shall be elected for the Sugar Labs
Oversight Board project for the 2018-2020 period.** This is the first call
for candidates: *

The mission of the oversight board is to ensure that the Sugar Labs
community has clarity of purpose and the means to collaborate in achieving
its goals.



*Members <https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members> can run for
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<https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board> and vote in the elections
for the Oversight Board. Once e*lected, board members are expected to
participate actively on Sugar Labs decision making processes and join
Sugar-meeting IRC channel for SLOB's monthly meetings.


*Stage II November 19, Reminder of the election date and second call for
candidates. (Today)*







*Stage III November 30, Candidates' Wiki submissions
<https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2018-2020-candidates#Candidates>
deadline. Stage
IV December 1-15 Election. Membership and Elections Committee*

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Call to action for inactive SLOBs - attend the meetings or resign your seats

[Samson Goddy]

Hello Alex


I prefectly understand your concerns. I am very worried about the goals for
2018.

But maybe you didn't see the part that we are having an election this
December.

https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2018-2020-candidates

I encourage candidate that want to move the organization forward to apply.
It involves a lot of commitment and also response to monthly meeting.


I remember saying Thank You to you when you created the wiki.

 Ignacio, though your seat isn't up for election yet. But we will replace
you, as you requested based on the rank of the candidates after the
election. As the election committee did for Claudia as she replace Laura.


I am still pretty excited about the goals and how to implement it.


Regards

On Fri, Nov 16, 2018, 12:31 AM Ignacio Rodríguez  TBH. I honestly thought I wasn't a SLOB member anymore :)
> I'm in for leaving my seat to another one.
>
> I've got too much work and I can no longer contribute to anything like I
> used when I didn't had responsibilities
>
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 7:43 PM Alex Perez  wrote:
>
>> I hereby assert that the Sugar Labs Oversight Board has become stagnant
>> to the point of near-100% ineffectiveness. It no longer serves the intended
>> purpose, and the quality of discourse at the SLOB meetings themselves has
>> diminished to near-zero.
>>
>> Back in June/July of 2018, I created
>> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Goals/2018_Submissions from the user
>> submissions Sameer had collected into a spreadsheet, and shared them to the
>> IAEP mailing list on July 8th. Not a single person responded, not even to
>> say a simple "thanks". I would now like to point out the following bad
>> behavior, and suggest that the current status quo for Sugar Labs oversight
>> is actively detrimental to the health of the overall organization.
>>
>> 2018 SLOB meeting attendees by month:
>>
>> January: walterbender, samsongoddy, CanoeBerry, sverma
>> February: walterbender, samsongoddy, CanoeBerry, sverma, llaske
>> March: walterbender, samsongoddy, Claudia, sverma, llaske
>> April: walterbender, samsongoddy, llaske
>> May: walterbender (!!!)
>> June: walterbender, samsongoddy, Claudia,  llaske
>> July: walterbender, samsongoddy, CanoeBerry, Claudia, sverma
>> August: walterbender, samsongoody, sverma, llaske
>> September: walterbender, samsongoddy, llaske
>> October: walterbender, samsongoddy
>> November: walterbender, samsongoddy, Claudia
>>
>>
>> For the SLOB members who cannot be bothered to regularly attend the
>> meetings, please review the last few chat logs at:
>>
>> September -
>> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2010/Meeting-log-2018-09-07
>> October -
>> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2010/Meeting-log-2018-10-05
>> November -
>> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2018/meeting-log-2018-11-03
>>
>>
>> So, to recap, for the year so far:
>>
>> Walter has attended 11/11 meetings
>> Lionel has attended 5/11 meetings
>> Sameer has attended 3/11 meetings
>> Adam has attended 3/11 meetings
>> Samson has attended 10/11 meetings
>> Ignacio has attended zero meetings
>> Claudia has attended 3/11 meetings
>>
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[IAEP] Announcement of election date and first call for candidates

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Greetings,

Sugar Lab's Elections and Membership Committee announces the upcoming
*2018-2020
Sugar Labs Oversight Board Election
<https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2018-2020-candidates>. *

*F**our (4) Oversight Board members shall be elected for the Sugar Labs
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The mission of the oversight board is to ensure that the Sugar Labs
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its goals.



*Members <https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members> can run for
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<https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board> and vote in the elections
for the Oversight Board. Once e*lected, board members are expected to
participate actively on Sugar Labs decision making processes and join
Sugar-meeting IRC channel for SLOB's monthly meetings.














*Stage I November 7, Announcement of election dates  and first call for
candidates. (Today)Stage II November 19, Reminder of election date and
second call for candidates. Stage III November 30, Candidates' Wiki
submissions
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Meeting Reminder

[Samson Goddy]

I don't know if this will solve the problem... But Zulip is a good chat
platform. Currently using it on my project, the community behind it host
open source orgs for free. It is light, but not as light as what we use.


https://zulipchat.com

On Thu, Oct 4, 2018, 11:36 PM Walter Bender  wrote:

> I put instructions on how to register on Freenode in the wiki (as part of
> a landing page for every GCI task.) I am assuming people will be able to
> manage. As for SLOB meetings, the regulars also should be able to manage.
>
> (We've discussed before about using Sugar chat -- dogfooding -- for our
> meetings. I'd be game.)
>
> -walter
>
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 6:33 PM James Cameron  wrote:
>
>> At the moment the issue with Freenode requires all of us to register
>> before we can speak.
>>
>> This impacts new people.  It makes their joining as complicated as any
>> other service with registration requirements.
>>
>> As D. Joe has observed, if we had our people watching, we could notice
>> new people to let them speak.  We would need to enable this, and somehow
>> cover the different time zones.  As we don’t have enough coverage now to
>> answer the simplest questions from the people we have, we would need some
>> commitment.  That would be the next step in that plan.
>>
>> I don’t know of any other service we could use that doesn’t require some
>> sort of registration.
>>
>> We might set up an IRC server ourselves, but then we take on the defence
>> problem that Freenode does for us.
>>
>> We do have a Jabber server, but I don’t know if it has been attacked in
>> the same way.
>>
>> On 5 Oct 2018, at 07:38, Walter Bender  wrote:
>>
>> We will be meeting tomorrow (Friday, 5 October) at 20UTC [1] (4PM in
>> Boston) on irc.freenode.net #sugar-meeting (See [2]).
>>
>> Note that there has been a SPAM issue on Freenode of late (See the email
>> from James I have forwarded below). We should discuss potential solutions.
>>
>> Also on the agenda:
>>
>> * GSoC travel
>> * GCI 2018
>> * [your topic here]
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>> [1] https://www.worldtimeserver.com/convert_time_in_UTC.aspx
>> [2] https://webchat.freenode.net/
>>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOB] Jaskirat travel

[Samson Goddy]

Seconded


Regards

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018, 7:41 PM Walter Bender  wrote:

> As per the discussion with Brett [sfconservancy.org #1917], Jaskirat has
> asked for a travel advance for his trip to Google, where he will be
> representing Sugar Labs at both the GSOC Meetup and the Mentor Summit. The
> details of his trip can be found here [1].
>
> Jaskirat has worked hard to accommodate the concerns raised by several of
> us regarding his proposed budget. I think it is with scope and compliant
> with SFC rules.
>
> MOTION: Approve Jaskarit's attendance of the GSoC Meetup while he is
> traveling for the GSoC Mentor Summit and a travel advance of US $712.
>
> This is somewhat timely, so please try to respond ASAP.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
>
> [1]
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Y-W8kR2-zmy2XRskBzRIEjASiMWTbcviK9uDf3V0GJQ/edit?usp=sharing
>
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] Jaskirat travel

[Samson Goddy]

+1 for me.



Regards

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018, 8:09 PM Anmol Mishra 
wrote:

> +1
>
> On Thu 4 Oct, 2018, 00:11 Walter Bender,  wrote:
>
>> As per the discussion with Brett [sfconservancy.org #1917], Jaskirat has
>> asked for a travel advance for his trip to Google, where he will be
>> representing Sugar Labs at both the GSOC Meetup and the Mentor Summit. The
>> details of his trip can be found here [1].
>>
>> Jaskirat has worked hard to accommodate the concerns raised by several of
>> us regarding his proposed budget. I think it is with scope and compliant
>> with SFC rules.
>>
>> MOTION: Approve Jaskarit's attendance of the GSoC Meetup while he is
>> traveling for the GSoC Mentor Summit and a travel advance of US $712.
>>
>> This is somewhat timely, so please try to respond ASAP.
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Y-W8kR2-zmy2XRskBzRIEjASiMWTbcviK9uDf3V0GJQ/edit?usp=sharing
>>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOB] motion regarding GSoC mentor travel

[Samson Goddy]

Seconded,

I believe that members should  use opportunities like Gsoc to Meetup fellow
members.


Regards

On Tue, Sep 18, 2018, 8:17 PM Walter Bender  wrote:

> Background: Google has provided SL with $3000 towards mentor travel to the
> October summit. ($3300 - the SFC 10%) although we have yet to receive $1100
> of the funds. We have also received $5400 in mentor "stipends" ($6000 - the
> SFC 10%). As you may recall, we are sending three people, Devin, Jaskirat,
> and Shrivank. Only Jaskirat is traveling internationally, so the best
> estimate is that the travel will come in on budget. As we did last year, we
> could apply some of the mentor stipend $$ to cover any overruns. (Note we
> have already approved a previous motion to approve a travel advance for
> Jaskirat to attend the Google Summer of Code mentor summit in October 2018.
> [1])
>
> The SFC estimates a cost increase in Jaskirat's ticket of $400-$500 due to
> his intention to travel some while in the States (to visit some Sugar Labs
> people and his cousin in DC.) Jaskirat is paying for his domestic travel,
> but the round trip in and out of SF is apparently less expensive, hence the
> need for SLOB approval. IMHO, we should be extending opportunities for
> community members whenever possible.
>
> Motion: To approve the additional cost associated with Jaskirat's ticket
> to and from the GSoC summit as calculated by the SFC. If for some reason
> the total budget for GSoC summit travel exceeds $3000, we can apply
> Jaskirat's and my share of the GSoC mentor stipend to cover the overrun.
>
> This is somewhat timely as tickets need to be purchased.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> [1] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2018-August/055603.html
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: Brett Smith via RT 
> Date: Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 12:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [sfconservancy.org #1845] Additional US flight expenditures
> for Jaskirat Singh
> To: 
> Cc: 
>
>
> On 09/18/2018 12:46 PM, Adam Holt via RT wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 12:21 PM, Brett Smith via RT <
> approv...@tix.sfconservancy.org> wrote:
>
>> Adam and team,
>>
>> Jaskirat Singh is planning additional travel in the US after the GSoC
>> mentor summit. Some of it is personal,
>
>
> Hi Brett,
>
> Travel funds for the GSoC mentor summit do not include personal side trips.
>
> Adam,
>
> Yes, to be clear, our travel policy states: “Travelers may seek approval
> to book travel itineraries that include extra days for personal reasons, *so
> long as the cost of the flight meets the other requirements of this Policy*.”
> Additional expense *just* for personal reasons isn’t permitted, and if
> that was the case here, I would’ve declined without even asking you. The
> planned meetings with other collaborators meant it was at least potentially
> project-related, so that’s why I checked.
>
> I’ll work with him to see what he wants to do but I won’t book additional
> travel with him unless/until you tell me otherwise.
>
> Thanks for your prompt response,
> --
> Brett Smith
>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] GCI 2018

[Samson Goddy]

I am interested in becoming a mentor this year.

so +1 from me.

On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 9:43 PM Ignacio Rodríguez 
wrote:

> I'll second.
> I'll have more time this year to mentor and be admin if required.
>
> Greetings,
> Ignacio.-
>
> On Fri, Sep 7, 2018, 5:42 PM Walter Bender 
> wrote:
>
>> We seem to have sufficient interest from the community to apply to Google
>> Code-in again this year. Lots of returning mentors and some students who
>> have morphed into mentors as well. But I will not apply w/o SLOB approval.
>>
>> Motion: Sugar Labs will apply to participate in Google Code-in 2018.
>> Walter will be the primary administrator.
>>
>> Time in of the essence as the schedule this year has applications
>> starting this week, so please respond ASAP.
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>>
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [sfconservancy.org #1322] For Approval: Jaskirat Singh funding and advance for travel to GSoC mentor summit

[Samson Goddy]

+1

On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 5:54 PM Rishabh Thaney 
wrote:

> +1
>
> On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 7:30 PM Claudia Urrea 
> wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 6:38 PM, Ignacio Rodríguez > > wrote:
>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 7:37 PM, Samson Goddy 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Seconded
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2018, 1:32 AM Walter Bender 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A bit of context:
>>>>>
>>>>> We are assigned 3 slots for GSoC mentors to attend the mentor summit.
>>>>> I am hoping that Devin and Jaskirat will be able to attend, along with one
>>>>> TBD. We will get $3300 from Google to cover all of the expenses, which
>>>>> should easily cover Devin (domestic travel)  and Jaskirat (international)
>>>>> and one more domestic traveler. (Google will also be covering the local
>>>>> hotel and meal expenses.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Motion: To approve a travel advance for Jaskirat to attend the Google
>>>>> Summer of Code mentor summit in October 2018.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>
>>>>> -walter
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 5:15 PM Brett Smith via RT <
>>>>> approv...@tix.sfconservancy.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi SLOBs,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jaskirat Singh is traveling to the GSoC mentor summit.  Because he's
>>>>>> coming from India, he's asked us to prepay a number of expenses, which
>>>>>> we're happy to do as long as you approve.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First, he has requested an advance of 43,700.00 INR (about $625) to
>>>>>> cover expenses related to getting his visa and ground transportation in
>>>>>> India.  He provided this budget:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> VISA Fees - 11200 INR
>>>>>> Travelling agent and Consultant charges - 7000 INR
>>>>>> As i have to travel for the VISA Documentation and Interview to other
>>>>>> states so for that i have 2 dates consecutively ( VISA appointment letter
>>>>>> attached), So for that Hotel Charge for 1 night and 2 days - 7000 INR
>>>>>> Meals for this purpose ( 2 days ) - 2000 INR (approx.)
>>>>>> Taxi fare from my location to the US Embassy - 4000 INR + toll and
>>>>>> taxes ( approx ).
>>>>>> As per the rules VISA Documentation and Interview takes place at
>>>>>> different place and VISA Collection gets issued from the different 
>>>>>> location
>>>>>> which is the part of another state, so for that Taxi Fare - 2500 INR
>>>>>> Taxi fare from Home to Airport - 5000 INR + toll and taxes ( approx )
>>>>>> Taxi fare from airport to back Home - 5000 INR + toll and taxes (
>>>>>> approx )
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please let us know whether or not you approve sending him money for
>>>>>> these expenses ahead of time.  We'll still ask him to provide receipts
>>>>>> after the fact as required for all travel under our policies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note that, between this advance and the flight he's asking us to
>>>>>> book, Jaskirat's travel is likely to exceed $1,000, meaning some of it 
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> be paid out of Sugar's general fund and not covered by the money coming
>>>>>> from Google for GSoC.  Please let us know what total travel budget you're
>>>>>> willing to set for Jaskirat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Brett Smith
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>> <http://www.sugarlabs.org>
>>>>>
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Re: [IAEP] [sfconservancy.org #1322] For Approval: Jaskirat Singh funding and advance for travel to GSoC mentor summit

[Samson Goddy]

Seconded

On Sat, Aug 18, 2018, 1:32 AM Walter Bender  wrote:

> A bit of context:
>
> We are assigned 3 slots for GSoC mentors to attend the mentor summit. I am
> hoping that Devin and Jaskirat will be able to attend, along with one TBD.
> We will get $3300 from Google to cover all of the expenses, which should
> easily cover Devin (domestic travel)  and Jaskirat (international) and one
> more domestic traveler. (Google will also be covering the local hotel and
> meal expenses.)
>
> Motion: To approve a travel advance for Jaskirat to attend the Google
> Summer of Code mentor summit in October 2018.
>
> Regards.
>
> -walter
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 5:15 PM Brett Smith via RT <
> approv...@tix.sfconservancy.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi SLOBs,
>>
>> Jaskirat Singh is traveling to the GSoC mentor summit.  Because he's
>> coming from India, he's asked us to prepay a number of expenses, which
>> we're happy to do as long as you approve.
>>
>> First, he has requested an advance of 43,700.00 INR (about $625) to cover
>> expenses related to getting his visa and ground transportation in India.
>> He provided this budget:
>>
>> VISA Fees - 11200 INR
>> Travelling agent and Consultant charges - 7000 INR
>> As i have to travel for the VISA Documentation and Interview to other
>> states so for that i have 2 dates consecutively ( VISA appointment letter
>> attached), So for that Hotel Charge for 1 night and 2 days - 7000 INR
>> Meals for this purpose ( 2 days ) - 2000 INR (approx.)
>> Taxi fare from my location to the US Embassy - 4000 INR + toll and taxes
>> ( approx ).
>> As per the rules VISA Documentation and Interview takes place at
>> different place and VISA Collection gets issued from the different location
>> which is the part of another state, so for that Taxi Fare - 2500 INR
>> Taxi fare from Home to Airport - 5000 INR + toll and taxes ( approx )
>> Taxi fare from airport to back Home - 5000 INR + toll and taxes ( approx )
>>
>> Please let us know whether or not you approve sending him money for these
>> expenses ahead of time.  We'll still ask him to provide receipts after the
>> fact as required for all travel under our policies.
>>
>> Note that, between this advance and the flight he's asking us to book,
>> Jaskirat's travel is likely to exceed $1,000, meaning some of it will be
>> paid out of Sugar's general fund and not covered by the money coming from
>> Google for GSoC.  Please let us know what total travel budget you're
>> willing to set for Jaskirat.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> --
>> Brett Smith
>>
>
>
> --
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [Motion]Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] approval needed for Bender's GCI travel expenses

[Samson Goddy]

+1 from me

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 3:54 PM Adam Holt  wrote:

> +1
>
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 9:16 AM, Lionel Laské 
> wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> Lionel
>>
>> 2018-07-07 14:56 GMT+02:00 Ignacio Rodríguez :
>>
>>> I'll second it
>>>
>>> El sáb., 7 de jul. de 2018 08:47, Samson Goddy 
>>> escribió:
>>>
>>>> Dear SLOBs,
>>>>
>>>> Motion: To approve Walter's $614.03 reimbursement request. I would
>>>> like if this motion will be seconded. So we can process to voting.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Samson
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 3:55 AM Walter Bender 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Fellow oversight board members,
>>>>>
>>>>> I would appreciate if someone would propose a motion as per Bradley's
>>>>> email below so that I can get reimbursed for my travel to the Google 
>>>>> Mentor
>>>>> Summit.
>>>>>
>>>>> thx.
>>>>>
>>>>> -walter
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Forwarded message -
>>>>> From: Bradley M. Kuhn via RT 
>>>>> Date: Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 8:04 PM
>>>>> Subject: [sfconservancy.org #898] SLOBS approval needed for Bender's
>>>>> GCI travel expenses.
>>>>> To: 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Walter Bender via RT wrote on Sunday,  1 July:
>>>>> > As you know, Google sponsors one mentor from each participating org to
>>>>> > attend the summit and the costs of the trip are passed through to 
>>>>> > Google.
>>>>> ...
>>>>> > Please contact me if you have any further questions.
>>>>>
>>>>> This assessment is actually no longer accurate, and as such, we need
>>>>> approval from SLOBs to proceed with the travel reimbursement, just like we
>>>>> do with any other.  Adam, could you as Representative communicate that 
>>>>> SLOBs
>>>>> approved $614.03 for Walter's travel.
>>>>>
>>>>> Reasons we need such approval are below:
>>>>>
>>>>> The information that Walter relied on to write the above is out of date.  
>>>>> A
>>>>> few years ago, Google changed the nature of the way payments are made for
>>>>> GCI and GSoC.  While, informally, Google requests that a certain part of 
>>>>> the
>>>>> payments be used for travel expenses for the GCI and GSoC Mentor Summits
>>>>> (respectively) there is no longer a formal requirement, agreement, nor
>>>>> arrangement that requires Conservancy (and its Sugar Labs project) to use
>>>>> these funds for that purpose.  Sugar Labs could use the funds for any
>>>>> purpose that fits within the project and Conservancy's charitable mission.
>>>>> Thus, under the FSA with Conservancy, it's up to Sugar Labs to recommend
>>>>> that how we spend the funds.
>>>>>
>>>>> As you decide on whether you'd like to pay the funds for this purpose, 
>>>>> note
>>>>> that Bender's expenses are substantially less than the amount given as a
>>>>> donation for GCI.  Sugar received $7,380.00 total for its participation in
>>>>> GCI 2017
>>>>>
>>>>> Finally, please avoid the phrase "pass through" with regard to funds at
>>>>> Conservancy.  Regardless of any specific donation situation, Conservancy
>>>>> *does not* do any activity as a "pass through" fiscal sponsor.  That 
>>>>> phrase
>>>>> has specific meaning in USA-non-profit circles and that's never what we're
>>>>> doing here, no matter what.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Meanwhile, Walter, there's a receipt missing:
>>>>>
>>>>> > $25 Baggage fee*
>>>>>
>>>>> > * My restricted fare on United did not allow me any luggage beyond a
>>>>> > personal bag for my laptop. I managed on the way out, but could not
>>>>> > manage on the way back, hence I had to check a bag.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is within policy, but it does require a receipt when proposed as a
>>>>> stand-alone expense.  It looks like you didn't attach the receipt.  (I
&

[IAEP] [Motion]Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] approval needed for Bender's GCI travel expenses

[Samson Goddy]

Dear SLOBs,

Motion: To approve Walter's $614.03 reimbursement request. I would like if
this motion will be seconded. So we can process to voting.


Regards
Samson

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 3:55 AM Walter Bender  wrote:

> Fellow oversight board members,
>
> I would appreciate if someone would propose a motion as per Bradley's
> email below so that I can get reimbursed for my travel to the Google Mentor
> Summit.
>
> thx.
>
> -walter
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: Bradley M. Kuhn via RT 
> Date: Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 8:04 PM
> Subject: [sfconservancy.org #898] SLOBS approval needed for Bender's GCI
> travel expenses.
> To: 
>
>
> Walter Bender via RT wrote on Sunday,  1 July:
> > As you know, Google sponsors one mentor from each participating org to
> > attend the summit and the costs of the trip are passed through to Google.
> ...
> > Please contact me if you have any further questions.
>
> This assessment is actually no longer accurate, and as such, we need
> approval from SLOBs to proceed with the travel reimbursement, just like we
> do with any other.  Adam, could you as Representative communicate that SLOBs
> approved $614.03 for Walter's travel.
>
> Reasons we need such approval are below:
>
> The information that Walter relied on to write the above is out of date.  A
> few years ago, Google changed the nature of the way payments are made for
> GCI and GSoC.  While, informally, Google requests that a certain part of the
> payments be used for travel expenses for the GCI and GSoC Mentor Summits
> (respectively) there is no longer a formal requirement, agreement, nor
> arrangement that requires Conservancy (and its Sugar Labs project) to use
> these funds for that purpose.  Sugar Labs could use the funds for any
> purpose that fits within the project and Conservancy's charitable mission.
> Thus, under the FSA with Conservancy, it's up to Sugar Labs to recommend
> that how we spend the funds.
>
> As you decide on whether you'd like to pay the funds for this purpose, note
> that Bender's expenses are substantially less than the amount given as a
> donation for GCI.  Sugar received $7,380.00 total for its participation in
> GCI 2017
>
> Finally, please avoid the phrase "pass through" with regard to funds at
> Conservancy.  Regardless of any specific donation situation, Conservancy
> *does not* do any activity as a "pass through" fiscal sponsor.  That phrase
> has specific meaning in USA-non-profit circles and that's never what we're
> doing here, no matter what.
>
>
>
> Meanwhile, Walter, there's a receipt missing:
>
> > $25 Baggage fee*
>
> > * My restricted fare on United did not allow me any luggage beyond a
> > personal bag for my laptop. I managed on the way out, but could not
> > manage on the way back, hence I had to check a bag.
>
> This is within policy, but it does require a receipt when proposed as a
> stand-alone expense.  It looks like you didn't attach the receipt.  (I
> noticed you attached the same file twice, so I suspect that there is another
> file of receipts we haven't gotten yet).
>
> AFIAK, all major airline give a receipt for checked luggage at the time they
> collect payment.  If you lost that, in my experience, you can get the
> receipt from the airline's website from your account after the fact.
>
> Please send along the $25 receipt.  Everything else seems well documented.
>
> Note in future you don't need to include receipts for M please take a
> look at the travel policy section regarding that:
>   https://sfconservancy.org/projects/policies/conservancy-travel-policy.html
>
>
>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] meeting reminder and time change

[Samson Goddy]

Good for me

On Thu, Jul 5, 2018, 5:50 PM Walter Bender  wrote:

> We have our regular Sugar Labs Oversight Board meeting scheduled for
> Friday, 6 July. Unfortunately I have a conflict at 20:00 UTC. Can we meet
> at 21:00 UTC?
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOB] Action required: Devin Ulibarri travel/stipend

[Samson Goddy]

Seconded





- Samson

On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 3:35 PM, Walter Bender 
wrote:

> I was hoping to discuss this at the May meeting, but no one was able to
> attend that meeting.
>
> Devin went to Japan to run some Music Blocks workshops. We had allocated a
> budget for him was US $1200 for his ticket and US $50 for local expenses
> (See [1]). Devin incurred some additional expenses above and beyond what we
> budgeted -- extra local travel and some equipment needed for the workshops
> (speakers).
>
> One of the schools he visited -- the Yokohama Science Frontiers school --
> offered Devin an honorarium of ~US $500, which they sent to the SFC.  ,These
> funds would cover his additional costs. The SFC won't release this money
> without our approval. It would amount to US $450 after the 10% allocation
> by the SFC.
>
> Motion: Approve the payment of US $450 as an honorarium to Devin Ulibarri
> for his workshops in Japan.
>
> I don't think there is anything controversial here, but of course, your
> feedback (and community feedback) is most appreciated.
>
> Someone would have to second this motion so that we can vote on it.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -walter
>
> [1] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions#2018-01-09
>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOB] meeting reminder

[Samson Goddy]

Hello all,

I and Caryl have been working all month on the Education Team that was
discussed in the previous meeting, see proposal[1]. The aim of the project
is a build a team of educators that will help the community and keep
sugar/izer scalable for teachers and parents.



[1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/161qehOW49uO5_
Ti8YEfHyydKWLbDBjlYwwgCYWqDYKs/edit?usp=sharing

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 9:02 PM, Walter Bender 
wrote:

> Our next Sugar Labs oversight board meeting is Friday, 2 March at 20:00
> UTC. (I've included a link to a UTC converter [1]).
>
> Among other topics of discussion will be Google Summer of Code and 2018
> Goals.
>
> Hope to see you in irc.freenode.net #sugar-meeting [2]
>
> [1] https://www.worldtimeserver.com/convert_time_in_UTC.aspx
>
> [2] chat.sugarlabs.org
>
> -walter
>
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Re: [IAEP] Sugarlabs - Goals

[Samson Goddy]

I like the idea too. Thanks Sameer for bringing it up.

On Jan 24, 2018 9:39 PM, "Sameer Verma"  wrote:

> Thanks, Dave! I haven't forgotten your persistence :-)
>
> I really appreciate your continued interest. In fact, I may need your
> assistance at some point, once we have a healthy set of responses.
>
> Stay tuned.
>
> Sameer
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> San Francisco State University
> http://verma.sfsu.edu/
>
> On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
> > This is great! Thank you Sameer!
> >
> > I recently began updating the ideas I drafted a few years ago with
> Samson.
> > Please let us know where to submit the ideas when you are ready :D
> >
> > On 11 January 2018 at 17:21, Sameer Verma  wrote:
> >>
> >> Greetings!
> >>
> >> Here is a proposal to solicit various goals towards mission of
> >> Sugarlabs. I am sending this out as per my comments on the recent
> >> #sugar-meeting on IRC.
> >>
> >> In the past, I have noticed that whenever we propose to discuss
> >> various goals that this community may pursue, we tend to fail quite
> >> rapidly at not arriving at a consensus. It is not that we have
> >> incorrect ideas about how we think the project should proceed. We tend
> >> to disagree prematurely. To remedy the situation, I am proposing that
> >> we gather opinions from the community about goals and do so in a
> >> manner where it remains temporarily shielded from public view. Then,
> >> at a given time (say two weeks) we make all of these items public.
> >> This may reveal if we have convergent ideas or if we are still very
> >> divergent. Either is okay.
> >>
> >> Next, we would try to merge similar items into tangible goals with a
> >> specific time frame. Depending on who the champions are for a specific
> >> goal and its objectives, these people may then band together into an
> >> ad-hoc group and pursue said goals.
> >>
> >> The time line for this project is relatively short. I propose that we
> >> collect ideas for two weeks. At the end of two weeks, we would then
> >> make the items public, and solicit more ideas for a third week. At the
> >> end of the third week, we would then try to collate similar responses
> >> into clusters of tangible goals. From there on, each set of goals may
> >> be pursued independently, depending on its sponsors, champions,
> >> supporters and participants.
> >>
> >> If this sounds like something that will help us move forward, I am
> >> ready to set this in motion. I have already discussed this with
> >> Hillary Naylor, who is an active participant in our OLPC-SF group.
> >> When it's time to collate responses, I may solicit some more help from
> >> some of you.
> >>
> >> cheers,
> >> Sameer
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOB] workshop travel motion

[Samson Goddy]

Outreach programs like this is healthy to the community. I am very happy
for movement  in Asia.

Thanks Devin.


I second the Motion.



-Samson

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 2:50 AM, Walter Bender 
wrote:

> Devin Ulibarri is returning from Japan, where he ran a number of Music
> Blocks workshops. While he was there, he also met with METI (the Japanese
> ministry of economics, trade, and industry), which has a interest in STEM
> education and with whom he initiated talks about doing a large-scale
> initiative in Japan. He has been invited back to follow up on the work at a
> school in Yolohama and to have follow-up meetings with METI. He is
> requesting funds to support his travel:
>
> * between US $800-1200 for airfare; and
> * approximately $40 for local transportation in Japan
>
> He has accomodations accounted for and hence does need funds for a hotel.
>
> Motion 2018-02: Provide Devin Ulibarri with travel money for March
> workshops and follow-up meetings in Japan of an amount not exceeding US
> $1250.
>
> 
>
> Additional background on the trip privided by Devin can be found below:
>
> The main gist is that the Yokohama Frontier High School (
> http://www.edu.city.yokohama.lg.jp/school/hs/sfh/index.cfm/37,html) does
> special science festivals about once a year and they would like me to be
> their special guest in March (3/16). For planning purposes (and for the
> best airfare rate), it is important to know whether the airfare would be
> paid for in advance. I asked if they have a budget to pay for airfare for
> their guests and they do not.
>
> I will try to schedule one or two additional meetings around that time as
> well, if possible. For example, I would like to meet with METI (Ministry of
> Economics, Trade, and Industry) once, perhaps the Friday before, and try to
> do a couple workshop at a middle school in Tokyo that expressed interest.
>
> It is the same school as described in these blogs:
>
> https://musicblocks.net/2018/01/02/translation-of-yokohama-s
> cience-frontier-blog-article-of-devins-visit-on-12-16-2017/
>
> https://musicblocks.net/2018/01/02/devins-travels-in-japan/
>
> (They were impressed with the initial showcase, so they asked me back to
> be the special guest in March. That is how this got started.)
>
> The school is asking for various information (e.g. translated bio,
> translated C.V. and Resume), which I am preparing right now. I am almost
> complete with all of the documents, including a "What is Music Blocks?"
> slideshow presentation in Japanese, of which the most recent draft(s) may
> be accessed at:
>
> https://owncloud.libretools.com/index.php/s/huL6h3MgPf7e9g8
>
> -walter
>
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Re: [IAEP] Claudia Urrea

[Samson Goddy]

Welcome Claudia!!

On Dec 2, 2017 11:11 PM, "Walter Bender"  wrote:

> I am very please to be able to announce that, by a unanimous decision,
> Claudia Urrea has been appointed to fill the Sugar Labs oversight board
> seat vacated by Laura Vargas. Many of you know Claudia -- she brings a
> depth of experience with Sugar, OLPC, and technology and K-12 education.
> She is a long-time member of our community who has made numerous,
> thoughtful contributions. She is a great addition to the board and I very
> much look forward to working with her in that capacity.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> --
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] email motion 2017-19

[Samson Goddy]

Sorry guys, I ran into some internet issue. +1 for me

On Dec 1, 2017 9:47 PM, "Lionel Laské"  wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> Sorry I was online one hour too late. Stupid error on DST.
>
> +1 for me for this motion.
>
>Lionel.
>
>
>
> 2017-12-01 20:35 GMT+01:00 Walter Bender :
>
>> Motion: To appoint Claudia Urrea to the oversight-board seat that opened
>> due to the resignation of Laura Vargas. This temporary appointment would
>> last until the next oversight board election in 2018.
>>
>> This was discussed at today's oversight-board meeting [1], but since we
>> lacked a quorum we could not take a vote. Hence this email. Please respond
>> ASAP.
>>
>> The gist of the discussion was:
>>
>>  #topic replacing Laura on the board
>>  Laura Vargas has resigned her seat on the board. I think
>> we should fill the vacancy with a temporary appointment.
>>  Her seat was up in fall 2018.
>>  So it would be a 9-10 month appointment.
>>  I propose Claudia Urrea
>>  for several reasons:
>>  (1) she got the most votes in the last election (missing a
>> seat on the board by just one vote)
>>  (2) she is very experienced with Sugar and our target
>> audience
>>  (3) she brings academic and education experience to the mix
>>  (4) she is a thoughtful, long-term contributor to the
>> community
>>  (5) and she is a very respectful colleague
>>
>> Her state of objects from the last election can be found at [2].
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>> [1] http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2017
>> -12-01T19:05:26
>> [2] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2017-2019-
>> candidates#Claudia_Urrea
>>
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Re: [IAEP] Fwd: Wire transfer of $897.73 initiated to Goddy today.

[Samson Goddy]

I want to publicly apologize to everyone that i have offended.

To Lionel and Adam, i am very sorry for strong use of bad words. I let my
anger get best of me.

But you have to understand the reason why i am angry.

Especially Adam, i just realised that my words are uncool.

I haven't had enough sleep for days due to this mis-information.

I urge you to do the right thing.

Thanks

Regards

On Oct 5, 2017 10:16 AM, "Samson Goddy" <samsongo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> According to SFC calculation, suggested by Adam. My travel advance is now
> $202.27, instead of $550.
>
> I am still waiting for explanation.. From Adam what happen to the original
> motion approved by SLOBS.
>
> Or can Adam now, overrule SLOBS decision?
>
> Is SLOBS decision not worthy enough? why do we have SLOBS? if adam can
> drastically reduce my funds without SLOBS approval.
>
> I am still making this public, to show what is going on and also a way for
> us to prevent it in future.
>
> Why was i given $202 instead of $550?
>
> "Motion: Approve a travel advance for US $2550 (US $2000 SFC prepurchase
> of an airline ticket and $550 towards local transport) for Samson Goddy's
> travel to the Google Summer of Code mentor's summit.
> 5 in favor, 1 recuse, 1 vote yet to be counted [1]
> <http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2017-September/020184.html>"
>
> out of $2550 + $695.46 (Samson and Walter GSoc stipend), i was given
> $897.73 - ($30 dollars from bank/wired charges) - (5% of withdrawal fee
> from the bank ~$43)
>
> $824.73 is what, i will be getting.
>
> while my budget shows
> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FOFNM7eAeoSUCie7l_EF8vRXMHCsJoy3ZMrr4vwX3ak/edit?usp=sharing>..
> $1125  ($416 from approved $2550, $550 travel advance = $966, my share of
> gsoc stipend 347.73 and donated walter's stipend to help cover accidental
> cost in Boston and Nigeria).
>
> And this is what i get ($824.73), pathetic I am highly disappointed,
> if i was Adam suggested this months back before my visa.. I would have
> forfeited coming to Gsoc Mentor's summit. This is how i am been repaid for
> contributing in Gsoc and Sugar Labs for over 6 months.
>
> Karma is a funny thing you know.
>
> Actions like this, chase volunteers in a community. Beware of your actions
> and how they affect members.
>
> FYI, Lionel please ignore this report, i don't want you input in this..
>
> Adam Thank You!!!
> I see this as a personal attack, no offence Adam. I am not enjoying this
> situation at all!
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Accounting at Software Freedom Conservancy <
> account...@sfconservancy.org>
> Date: Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 9:10 PM
> Subject: Wire transfer of $897.73 initiated to Goddy today.
> To: Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
> Cc: su...@sfconservancy.org
>
>
> Adam Holt wrote at 14:17 (PDT) on Tuesday:
> > Please wire this $550 + $347.73 = $897.73 cash advance to Samson Goddy
> > immediately if possible.
>
> This payment has been issued by wire transfer today.
>
> For clarity: only $202.27 was a cash advance for travel expenses.  The
> remainder, $695.46, was *not a cash advance*, but rather a payment of a
> stipend for mentoring during GSoC 2017.
>
> Samson, for the $202.27, note that this is an advance of your travel
> expenses for GSoC Mentor Summit.  Please note that you must follow the
> travel policy:
>https://sfconservancy.org/projects/policies/conservancy-tra
> vel-policy.html
>
> ... including keeping receipts for all expenditures.  We need you to do
> this
> so we can count your expenses toward the advance and/or reimburse
> additional
> expenses (if the PLC approves further expenses).  Note that such PLC
> approval does not overrule the travel policy; both are needed for valid
> Project travel.
>
> Again, please be sure to save receipts.  This is essential and a
> requirement.  We cannot reimburse expenses for which receipts are not
> provided.
>
> I know Karen and Brett, who will be at Mentor Summit, are looking forward
> to
> meeting you.  I had a scheduling conflict for Mentor Summit this year so I
> unfortunately won't get to meet you.
> --
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>  |--> & also, de-facto Bookkeeper for the moment
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[IAEP] Fwd: Wire transfer of $897.73 initiated to Goddy today.

[Samson Goddy]

According to SFC calculation, suggested by Adam. My travel advance is now
$202.27, instead of $550.

I am still waiting for explanation.. From Adam what happen to the original
motion approved by SLOBS.

Or can Adam now, overrule SLOBS decision?

Is SLOBS decision not worthy enough? why do we have SLOBS? if adam can
drastically reduce my funds without SLOBS approval.

I am still making this public, to show what is going on and also a way for
us to prevent it in future.

Why was i given $202 instead of $550?

"Motion: Approve a travel advance for US $2550 (US $2000 SFC prepurchase of
an airline ticket and $550 towards local transport) for Samson Goddy's
travel to the Google Summer of Code mentor's summit.
5 in favor, 1 recuse, 1 vote yet to be counted [1]
<http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2017-September/020184.html>"

out of $2550 + $695.46 (Samson and Walter GSoc stipend), i was given
$897.73 - ($30 dollars from bank/wired charges) - (5% of withdrawal fee
from the bank ~$43)

$824.73 is what, i will be getting.

while my budget shows
<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FOFNM7eAeoSUCie7l_EF8vRXMHCsJoy3ZMrr4vwX3ak/edit?usp=sharing>..
$1125  ($416 from approved $2550, $550 travel advance = $966, my share of
gsoc stipend 347.73 and donated walter's stipend to help cover accidental
cost in Boston and Nigeria).

And this is what i get ($824.73), pathetic I am highly disappointed, if
i was Adam suggested this months back before my visa.. I would have
forfeited coming to Gsoc Mentor's summit. This is how i am been repaid for
contributing in Gsoc and Sugar Labs for over 6 months.

Karma is a funny thing you know.

Actions like this, chase volunteers in a community. Beware of your actions
and how they affect members.

FYI, Lionel please ignore this report, i don't want you input in this..

Adam Thank You!!!
I see this as a personal attack, no offence Adam. I am not enjoying this
situation at all!
-- Forwarded message --
From: Accounting at Software Freedom Conservancy <
account...@sfconservancy.org>
Date: Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 9:10 PM
Subject: Wire transfer of $897.73 initiated to Goddy today.
To: Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
Cc: su...@sfconservancy.org


Adam Holt wrote at 14:17 (PDT) on Tuesday:
> Please wire this $550 + $347.73 = $897.73 cash advance to Samson Goddy
> immediately if possible.

This payment has been issued by wire transfer today.

For clarity: only $202.27 was a cash advance for travel expenses.  The
remainder, $695.46, was *not a cash advance*, but rather a payment of a
stipend for mentoring during GSoC 2017.

Samson, for the $202.27, note that this is an advance of your travel
expenses for GSoC Mentor Summit.  Please note that you must follow the
travel policy:
   https://sfconservancy.org/projects/policies/conservancy-
travel-policy.html

... including keeping receipts for all expenditures.  We need you to do this
so we can count your expenses toward the advance and/or reimburse additional
expenses (if the PLC approves further expenses).  Note that such PLC
approval does not overrule the travel policy; both are needed for valid
Project travel.

Again, please be sure to save receipts.  This is essential and a
requirement.  We cannot reimburse expenses for which receipts are not
provided.

I know Karen and Brett, who will be at Mentor Summit, are looking forward to
meeting you.  I had a scheduling conflict for Mentor Summit this year so I
unfortunately won't get to meet you.
--
Bradley M. Kuhn
Distinguished Technologist of Software Freedom Conservancy
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Fwd: wire will go out tomorrow, approval received after wire deadline in USA (was Re: [Urgent, Adam] clarifying amount to wire to Samson (Re: Fwd: Urgent Motion for Modifying GSOc m

[Samson Goddy]

On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 7:11 AM, Lionel Laské <lionel.la...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> There is no issue here but it's interesting to see that you've decided to
> publicly mailing this without giving the complete Adam explanation.
>
> Here's the missing part:
>
>
> *Sugar Labs has approved "$550 towards local transport" from GSoC funds:*
> *http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2017-September/020184.html
> <http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2017-September/020184.html>*
>
>
> *Walter Bender has asked that his own portion GSoC's (9 non-admins x $500)
> / 11 mentors[*] - 10% SFC - 5% SL = $347.73 be sent to Samson immediately
> as well, based on 2016-34 here:*
> *https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions#2016-06-10
> <https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions#2016-06-10>*
>
> *[*] 11 mentors listed at https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Coded
> <https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Coded> clarified by Walter: "we
> had 13 signed up (including the 2 admins who also mentored), and 2 were
> inactive/not associated with any projects: José Argüello and Matias Baez".*
>
>
> *Samson's $347.73 (also based on 2016-34, separately from Walter's) are
> already contained in the $550 GSoC funds above.*
>
> *Please wire this $550 + $347.73 = $897.73 cash advance to Samson Goddy
> immediately if possible.*
>
> If you read carefully the sentence "*Samson's ... are ALREADY contained
> in the $550 GSoC funds above*", you will find the explanation.
> I'm completely approve this calculation that seems fair enough considering
> the previous motion voted and considering the money and the time that your
> trip already cost to all of us.
>

Lionel, Adam, I see both of you are not understanding this motion.

"AGREED MOTION 2017-17 Proposed by Walter Bender, seconded by Sameer Verma

Motion: Approve a travel advance for US $2550 (US $2000 SFC prepurchase of
an airline ticket and $550 towards local transport) for Samson Goddy's
travel to the Google Summer of Code mentor's summit.
5 in favor, 1 recuse, 1 vote yet to be counted [1]
<http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2017-September/020184.html> "

I understand English enough to know that, $550 was approved by SLOBS, i am
entitled to $347.73, so does Walter.

Now if you break this english down into math,

it will be $550 + 347.73 + 347.73 = $1245.46

So how did my $347.73 accidentally added in the $550?

According to the motion for stipend, i don't need SLOBS approve to take
this stipend.. So Adam do the right thing and forward SFC to send the right
money please.. Every fees transfer cost about $30.

Adam again, send SFC the right information and don't make up yours.

>
> BTW, feel free to propose a new motion to SLOB if you want more money.
>

I am not interesting to propose motion to current board, because i don't
see why i want more money when the approved one is not purely given to me.
FYI, i can only bring up a new motion for SL to balance me $416 to the new
board. There is an election going on.

>
>   Lionel.
>
>
> 2017-10-04 1:39 GMT+02:00 Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>:
>
>> I am publicly mailing this, because at this point, i will say Adam is
>> ruining my trip with suggestions and it is greatly affecting me.
>>
>> Adam can you *please undo * this before SFC makes payment twice or
>> thrice that will attracts a lot of bank fees(sending to Nigeria).
>>
>> I am making this public, because after waiting for days, your personal
>> changes is affecting me.
>>
>> First SLOBS approved $2000 for my ticketing and $550 travel advance. You
>> made suggestions to SFC book Emirate with attracts a lot of layovers in
>> Lagos(over 24hrs) and Dubai(15hr). Instead of the British airways i
>> suggested. Now, i booked the emirate flights with local flights included.
>> Remaining $419 from the $2000.
>>
>> I ask SFC to send me $416(balance from $2,000) + $550(travel advance) =
>> $966.66(to cover the rejected budget)
>>
>> 1. Emirates - $1,279.14
>> 2. JetBlue - 161.20
>> 3. Arik Air (local flight) - around $143
>>
>> Since Adam is the liaison person to SFC, he gave SFC order not to send me
>> the $416 balance. I am asking SLOBS and Adam why? because i cannot give SFC
>> order only adam can. Am i not eligible to receive the $416?
>>
>> walter donated his share of the stiped from Gsoc $347.73 + my own share
>> $347.73 = $695.46..
>>
>> But Adam instructed SFC to do this instead, why?
>>
>> "Walter Bender has asked that his own portion GSoC's (9 non-admins x
>> $500) / 11 mentors[*] - 10% SFC - 5% SL = $347.73 be sent to Samson
>&g

[IAEP] Fwd: wire will go out tomorrow, approval received after wire deadline in USA (was Re: [Urgent, Adam] clarifying amount to wire to Samson (Re: Fwd: [SLOBS] Urgent Motion for Modifying GSOc mento

[Samson Goddy]

I am publicly mailing this, because at this point, i will say Adam is
ruining my trip with suggestions and it is greatly affecting me.

Adam can you *please undo * this before SFC makes payment twice or thrice
that will attracts a lot of bank fees(sending to Nigeria).

I am making this public, because after waiting for days, your personal
changes is affecting me.

First SLOBS approved $2000 for my ticketing and $550 travel advance. You
made suggestions to SFC book Emirate with attracts a lot of layovers in
Lagos(over 24hrs) and Dubai(15hr). Instead of the British airways i
suggested. Now, i booked the emirate flights with local flights included.
Remaining $419 from the $2000.

I ask SFC to send me $416(balance from $2,000) + $550(travel advance) =
$966.66(to cover the rejected budget)

1. Emirates - $1,279.14
2. JetBlue - 161.20
3. Arik Air (local flight) - around $143

Since Adam is the liaison person to SFC, he gave SFC order not to send me
the $416 balance. I am asking SLOBS and Adam why? because i cannot give SFC
order only adam can. Am i not eligible to receive the $416?

walter donated his share of the stiped from Gsoc $347.73 + my own share
$347.73 = $695.46..

But Adam instructed SFC to do this instead, why?

"Walter Bender has asked that his own portion GSoC's (9 non-admins x $500)
/ 11 mentors[*] - 10% SFC - 5% SL = $347.73 be sent to Samson immediately
as well, based on 2016-34 here:
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions#2016-06-10

Please wire this $550 + $347.73 = $897.73 cash advance to Samson Goddy
immediately if possible" - Adam

Each transfer from the US cost more than $30 bank charges..

Meaning i will be be losing $30 twice or thrice, and also time wasting.


I am letting this community and member of SLOBS to see what is going on,
and i will like this to be fix asap.

FYI, SFC is sending my just $897.73 tomorrow, thanks to Adam.

I need explanation, because at this point.. I am Tired!

Sad!!!





-- Forwarded message --
From: Accounting at Software Freedom Conservancy <
account...@sfconservancy.org>
Date: Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: wire will go out tomorrow, approval received after wire
deadline in USA (was Re: [Urgent, Adam] clarifying amount to wire to Samson
(Re: Fwd: [SLOBS] Urgent Motion for Modifying GSOc mentor summit travel.))
To: Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
Cc: su...@sfconservancy.org


Samson Goddy wrote:
>Thank you but you ignored my last email showing Adam made wrong
>calculation

I did not ignore it; it just isn't relevant to accounting@ yet.
As previously explained, we can only send the funds
that have been approved by the PLC as communicated to Conservancy by the
Representative under the Fiscal Sponsorship Agreement (FSA) between
Conservancy and Sugar Labs.  Given the situation, we really do need to just
follow what the FSA says, and that's what it indicates should happen.

Also, I reiterate again our request that <account...@sfconservancy.org> not
be cc'ed except on finally approved matters relating to payment and
documenting approved payments.

Your request for additional funds is not yet an accounting matter; it
relates
to approvals not yet given.  I suggest that discussion about approval, if
needed, continue on <su...@sfconservancy.org>; It only slows down
Conservancy's work for Sugar Labs if <account...@sfconservancy.org> is cc'ed
on that discussion.  Please ask the Representative to send any concluded
approvals to <account...@sfconservancy.org> at the end of that discussion.

We do plan to wire $897.73 to Samson tomorrow.  If the Representative
communicates to us additional amounts approved for payment -- be they for a
stipend or travel advance -- we will make reasonable efforts to expedite
them
because we're well aware of the funding difficulty of traveling from
Nigeria.
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Re: [IAEP] MOTION: Google Mentor Stipends Distribution To Re: Google Mentors Summit Complete Travel Budget Request

[Samson Goddy]

if may maths is correct, given we had 10 active mentors (Walter or Lionel
please confirm), then my stipend is around $384.75 right?


On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 9:24 PM, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:

> Samson,
>
> I believe I have good news to you.
>
> I checked the logs and it turns SLOBS did approve mentor's stipends
> distribution back on June 2016:
>
> 
>
>
> AGREED MOTION 2016-34 Walter Bender, posting motion initially drafted by
> Dave Crossland Whereas it is the general policy of Sugar Labs to retain
> all GSoC mentoring stipends in the General Fund, if a mentor asks a GSoC
> Admin (for example in 2016, Walter or Lionel) to pay a stipend to a mentor,
> their share of the stipend amount will be disbursed without further motions
> to approve the spending. The share is calculated from the total awarded for
> the GSoC slot by Google, minus 10% (as all Sugar Labs income is donated to
> Software Freedom Conservancy for organisational services), minus 5%
> (retained for Sugar Labs General Funds), divided by the number of mentors
> for the project. For example, in a year with 6 slots and 10 mentors at
> $500, the total revenue is $3,000; 10% for Conservancy is $300 and 5% for
> Sugar Labs is $150, leaving a total of $2,550 or $255 per mentor. (5 votes
> for, 1 against, 1 abstain, see http://www.mail-archive.com/
> iaep%40lists.sugarlabs.org/msg16711.html)
>
> 
>
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions#2016-06-10
>
> :D
>
> 2017-10-02 14:42 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 8:19 PM, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Samson
>>>
>>> Everyone's time is precious so please understand I am giving you
>>> solutions.
>>>
>>> The Mentor's summit is already US$ 210 over-budget and we haven't
>>> considered the the other travelers needs.
>>>
>>> Do second the motion am proposing so we can vote.
>>>
>>> If approved you will be entitled to direct Sugar Labs with your
>>> correspondent mentor Stipend and other mentors as well.
>>>
>>> *Motion: To enable each Google Mentor to decide how Sugar Labs should
>>> execute (spend/invest) their respective stipend. This will apply
>>> retroactively to all Sugar Labs - Google mentors stipends over the years we
>>> have participated.*
>>>
>>
>> Well, i don't agree on this motion.. Maybe someone else can second it.
>>
>> I believe we should be *deciding* if mentors can keep the stiped every
>> year. Not permanent!!  I don't see any reason to look back (past years). So
>> if you would modify the motion to fit in my suggestion, then i can second
>> it for voting.
>>
>> FYI, i have $2550 approved by SLOBS for travel. All i want is the balance
>> from the $2550
>>
>> So far, my flight costs are as follows..
>>
>> 1. Emirates - $1,279.14
>> 2. JetBlue - 161.20
>> 3. Arik Air (local flight) - $143
>>
>> Totalled $1583.34 - $2550 = $966.66,
>>
>> So can SFC give me $966.66 from the budget allocated for me?
>>
>> Adam is not here yet to give SFC the approval.
>>
>> I don't need any argument again.. Because up till now, i don't have my
>> travel advance with me and my flights has been booked.
>>
>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2017-10-02 13:56 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:43 PM, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope the SLOBs will see that the right thing to do is provide
>>>>>> sufficient funds for Samson to have a safe and productive trip.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Samson wished to travel via British airways arriving in London and
>>>>> that had a Budget approved.
>>>>>
>>>>> *SLOB's cannot be pointed as responsible for Samson's decision to
>>>>> change his itinerary.*
>>>>>
>>>>> If Adam made a suggestions is irrelevant as the end it was Samson who
>>>>> decides his itinerary (including the risky delays, etc)
>>>>>
>>>>> SLOBs has done all possible within the limited information we have.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Then Laura, can you have SFC send me the $966.66 to cover the ~$1125 as
>>>> part

Re: [IAEP] MOTION: Google Mentor Stipends Distribution To Re: Google Mentors Summit Complete Travel Budget Request

[Samson Goddy]

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 8:19 PM, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:

> Samson
>
> Everyone's time is precious so please understand I am giving you solutions.
>
> The Mentor's summit is already US$ 210 over-budget and we haven't
> considered the the other travelers needs.
>
> Do second the motion am proposing so we can vote.
>
> If approved you will be entitled to direct Sugar Labs with your
> correspondent mentor Stipend and other mentors as well.
>
> *Motion: To enable each Google Mentor to decide how Sugar Labs should
> execute (spend/invest) their respective stipend. This will apply
> retroactively to all Sugar Labs - Google mentors stipends over the years we
> have participated.*
>

Well, i don't agree on this motion.. Maybe someone else can second it.

I believe we should be *deciding* if mentors can keep the stiped every
year. Not permanent!!  I don't see any reason to look back (past years). So
if you would modify the motion to fit in my suggestion, then i can second
it for voting.

FYI, i have $2550 approved by SLOBS for travel. All i want is the balance
from the $2550

So far, my flight costs are as follows..

1. Emirates - $1,279.14
2. JetBlue - 161.20
3. Arik Air (local flight) - $143

Totalled $1583.34 - $2550 = $966.66,

So can SFC give me $966.66 from the budget allocated for me?

Adam is not here yet to give SFC the approval.

I don't need any argument again.. Because up till now, i don't have my
travel advance with me and my flights has been booked.


> Regards
>
>
>
>
> 2017-10-02 13:56 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:43 PM, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I hope the SLOBs will see that the right thing to do is provide
>>>> sufficient funds for Samson to have a safe and productive trip.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Samson wished to travel via British airways arriving in London and that
>>> had a Budget approved.
>>>
>>> *SLOB's cannot be pointed as responsible for Samson's decision to change
>>> his itinerary.*
>>>
>>> If Adam made a suggestions is irrelevant as the end it was Samson who
>>> decides his itinerary (including the risky delays, etc)
>>>
>>> SLOBs has done all possible within the limited information we have.
>>>
>>
>> Then Laura, can you have SFC send me the $966.66 to cover the ~$1125 as
>> part of the $2550 approved by SLOBS?
>>
>> SFC just need someone other than me to confirm this payment. I don't have
>> time to be arguing with the Board decision, because i find it pointless,
>> since i am personally attacked given my history for asking for travel
>> support.
>>
>> All this argument is pointless, because it is eating up my time
>>
>> Adam (be the liaison person has been M.I.A for the past 3 days)
>>
>> So laura, can you tell the SFC to give me $966.66 that was remaining from
>> the approved $2550?
>>Or
>>
>> Do you want to reconsider your vote for the extra $200($1,166) which i
>> have been asking for almost 4 days?
>>
>> You need to vote on either one.. And someone should tell SFC to approve
>> either so i can get the money this week for crying out loud.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks in Advance
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We know 3 Sugar Labs mentor travelers should be registered for the
>>> Summit <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6hUaXucUOs>, still we have not
>>> get any other request just Samon's.
>>>
>>> SFC accountability already required SLOBs to submit the complete Budget
>>> but we have no answer for them.
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope this gets resolved soon so that our 3 mentors can enjoy three
>>> days of community building and lots of fun.
>>> <https://opensource.googleblog.com/2017/09/the-mentors-of-google-summer-of-code.html>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Laura
>>>
>>>
>>> Caryl
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *From:* IAEP <iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org> on behalf of Laura
>>>> Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org>
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2017 10:35:08 AM
>>>> *To:* Walter Bender
>>>> *Cc:* iaep; SLOBs
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [IAEP] Google Mentors Summit Complete Travel Budget
>>>> Request
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2017-10-01 15:32 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender <walter.ben...@

Re: [IAEP] Google Mentors Summit Complete Travel Budget Request

[Samson Goddy]

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:43 PM, Laura Vargas  wrote:

>
>
>> I hope the SLOBs will see that the right thing to do is provide
>> sufficient funds for Samson to have a safe and productive trip.
>>
>
>
> Samson wished to travel via British airways arriving in London and that
> had a Budget approved.
>
> *SLOB's cannot be pointed as responsible for Samson's decision to change
> his itinerary.*
>
> If Adam made a suggestions is irrelevant as the end it was Samson who
> decides his itinerary (including the risky delays, etc)
>
> SLOBs has done all possible within the limited information we have.
>

Then Laura, can you have SFC send me the $966.66 to cover the ~$1125 as
part of the $2550 approved by SLOBS?

SFC just need someone other than me to confirm this payment. I don't have
time to be arguing with the Board decision, because i find it pointless,
since i am personally attacked given my history for asking for travel
support.

All this argument is pointless, because it is eating up my time

Adam (be the liaison person has been M.I.A for the past 3 days)

So laura, can you tell the SFC to give me $966.66 that was remaining from
the approved $2550?
   Or

Do you want to reconsider your vote for the extra $200($1,166) which i have
been asking for almost 4 days?

You need to vote on either one.. And someone should tell SFC to approve
either so i can get the money this week for crying out loud.



Thanks in Advance

>
>
> We know 3 Sugar Labs mentor travelers should be registered for the Summit
> , still we have not get any
> other request just Samon's.
>
> SFC accountability already required SLOBs to submit the complete Budget
> but we have no answer for them.
>
>
> I hope this gets resolved soon so that our 3 mentors can enjoy three days
> of community building and lots of fun.
> 
>
> Regards
>
> Laura
>
>
> Caryl
>>
>> --
>> *From:* IAEP  on behalf of Laura
>> Vargas 
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2017 10:35:08 AM
>> *To:* Walter Bender
>> *Cc:* iaep; SLOBs
>> *Subject:* Re: [IAEP] Google Mentors Summit Complete Travel Budget
>> Request
>>
>>
>>
>> 2017-10-01 15:32 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender :
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Laura Vargas 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 Correction to previous email:

 *That means this year program Google's program Budget has already over
 expended** US$ 210 [US$ 2,970 - US$2,000-US$630-US$550] not including
 yet Traveler No2 needs.*

 Regards!

 2017-10-01 14:18 GMT-05:00 Laura Vargas :

>
> Dear Google Mentors Summit Program Managers,
>
>
> It is my understanding you both are co-administrators of the Google
> Mentors Summit for Mentors funds.
>
>
> Lack of a complete Travel Budget may be causing SLOBs not to be able
> to make further decisions about the mentor's needs versus the mentor's
> Budget..
>
> So far what we (SLOBs) know is:
>
> 01 Google donation [US$ 3,300 - 10% SFC = US$ 2,970] was meant for two
> travelers.
>

>>> This is incorrect. We are sending 3 people to the Summit. One is
>>> traveling from Nigeria, one is traveling from France, and one from San
>>> Francisco. I don't know what the travel from France entails. The debate
>>> over the travel from Nigeria continues. The travel from San Francisco will
>>> cost Sugar Labs US$0.
>>>
>>> 02 There is a reimbursement request for US$630 for paying back money
> advanced to Traveler No1 Samson by one Sugar Labs member.
> 03 Additionally, with decision 2017-17 *SLOBs*
> *
> approved Samson's traveling plans* for 3 days of Google Summit in the
> City of San Francisco with US$2,000 for an airplane ticket and US$550 as a
> cash advance.
>
> *That means this year program Google's program Budget has already over
> expended** US$ 210 [US$ 2,970-US$630-US$550] not including yet
> Traveler No2 needs.*
>
>
>>> Not accounted for in your calculations is the additional $4500 that
>>> Google gave to Sugar Labs on behalf of the GSoC mentors. IMHO, it is not at
>>> all unreasonable to put some of those discretionary funds towards mentor
>>> travel.
>>>
>>
>> I did not account for the mentor's stipends because historically mentors
>> have not been authorized by SLOBS to decide how Sugar Labs should proceed
>> with their stipends and therefore Stipends have been sent to Sugar Labs
>> general fund.
>>
>> I guess the Board could consider a Motion that enables each Google Mentor
>> to decide how Sugar Labs should execute (spend/invest) their respective
>> stipend. Of course in 

Re: [IAEP] how Samson can buy a flight to GSoC today before it's too late

[Samson Goddy]

On Sep 25, 2017 2:23 PM, "Adam Holt"  wrote:

Samson,

Flying Emirates Airlines with a 4 hour layover in Dubai on your way to the
US to save Sugar Labs $500+ will not block your entry into the US.  Sugar
Labs should not even suggest that we would block participants from the
Middle East, even in passing, or as a joke that spending 4 hours in Dubai's
airport will turn you into a terrorist is highly inappropriate.

Please if you want to go on this trip to the GSoC Mentoring Summit,
strongly consider that your options are likely running out very fast, and
you can instantly put an end to the operatic drama by working with the
SFConservancy today (now, immediately) to buy this flight and be done with
it all:

$1,277.68 @ Emirates.com for https://goo.gl/flights/5WpL Lagos - San
Francisco Oct 12/13; Boston - Lagos Oct 21/22
$190 Los Angeles - Boston Oct 15/16
$121.20 Port Harcout - Lagos Oct 12 & 24 (or earlier)

*You are fortunate that you do not need additional motions or votes as this
essentially matches lowest pricing for the approved Nigeria-to-GSoC without
side trips (2017-17).  Do consider what's in the best interest of the wider
Sugar Labs community and not just yourself.  Thank You All for supporting
Samson if he hopefully works this out.*

Agreed. I don't want to argue anymore because of timing. But i still think
is uncool. Could you inform SFC about the changes. Flying to America by
12th coming back 22nd.

I am going to work with them but need you to push the changes.


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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Samson Goddy]

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Ryan Cunningham <
levantamos.para.u...@gmail.com> wrote:

> El sept 25, 2017, a las 00:01, Ryan Cunningham <
> levantamos.para.u...@gmail.com> escribió:
>
> Correction:
>
> My opinion is that Sugar Labs shouldn't approve trips not having to do
> with official business of Sugar Labs; the Software Freedom Conservancy; One
> Laptop per Child; an OLPC client organization; **Google Inc., or its
> parent company, Alphabet Inc.** (only for Sugar Labs' participation in
> the Google Code-In and Google Summer of Code); the Fedora Project; Red Hat,
> Inc.; the Linux Foundation; Linus Torvalds; or any other third-party
> individual or company that provides software to Sugar Labs.
>
> Speaking of that, would these trips have anything to do with such official
> business
>
>
Well in my opinion, Meeting Walter Bender (founder and member of Sugar
Labs) and plan about Turtle Art day in Nigeria and meeting with Scratch
foundation in MIT that provides scratch in Sugar and Possible Scratch 3.0
are both under official visit.

SL is not paying for my housing or foods while doing making these visits on
behalf of Sugar Labs. So i don't see why, i keep getting attacks.

Like i said it is my opinion, so people might disagree.

>
> --
> Enviado desde mi iPod
>
> El sept 24, 2017, a las 23:27, Martin Dengler 
> escribió:
>
> How many votes would it take to change the tagline of IAEP to “It’s An
> Education Project (not a travel agency!)”?
>
> Martin
>
> (Not directed at Caryl personally - this whole thread comes off as pretty
> far from SL’s mission to this observer. It should be internal IMHO.)
>
> On 24 Sep 2017, at 23:39, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:
>
> Ed and I would love to host Samson in LA for a couple of days between
> Google and Boston. Kayak is showing the one way ticket at $111 at the time
> he can fly (evening). We will get that ticket for him if the rest of his
> trip is approved.
> Caryl
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 24, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:
>
> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Lionel Laské 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> -1 for this motion.
>>
>> Participation to the GSoC Summit is already a privilege. It's fair that
>> Samson as a mentor could have opportunity to attend to it.
>> I don't see any advantage for SugarLabs on the Samson side trip, so there
>> is no reason for SugarLabs to pay for it.
>>
>
> Lionel,
>
> While I strongly sympathize (I work with Haitian teachers who don't find
> it funny that Samson appears willing to let substantially more than $500
> disappear, far more than a year's salary for my educator colleagues in
> Haiti...)
>
> Still let me still ask: what would you think if Samson approached this
> with a spirit of compromise, spending $1277.68+190 instead of the earlier
> desired 1920.82 (1730.82+190) or 2110.22 (1920.22+190) ?  In this fashion
> his 2 side trips would not cost Sugar Labs much at all:
>
> $1,277.68 @ Emirates.com for https://goo.gl/flights/5WpL Lagos - San
> Francisco Oct 12/13; Boston - Lagos Oct 21/22
> $190 Los Angeles - Boston Oct 15/16
>
> Nobody appreciates a "planned emergency" like this, when Samson's side
> trips could easily have been mentioned in public earlier this summer,
> instead of forcing everyone to the brink like this with de facto
> high-pressure sales tactics.
>
> But let's try to make the best of this obvious disaster and put that
> behind us.
>
> If you agree, Samson might be wise to jump on this opportunity immediately
> instead of arguing for days over a trip that could Very Easily Go Down The
> Drain (as prices are now rising quickly, with Oct 12 only days away now).
>
> In Context: the companies I've worked for across my career would * never *
> allow the purchase of intercontinental flights only ~16 days prior to
> travel like this, even if Samson's side trips had been mentioned
> forthrightly a priori (instead of forcing Sugar Labs to the brink, and
> costing us money with ever-rising flight costs...)
>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Samson Goddy]

Martin Dengler, i am sorry to be bringing this sad news to iaep list. FYI,
adam suggested it and put it himself not me.



On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 4:14 AM, Adam Holt  wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Lionel Laské 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> -1 for this motion.
>>
>> Participation to the GSoC Summit is already a privilege. It's fair that
>> Samson as a mentor could have opportunity to attend to it.
>> I don't see any advantage for SugarLabs on the Samson side trip, so there
>> is no reason for SugarLabs to pay for it.
>>
>
> Lionel,
>
> While I strongly sympathize (I work with Haitian teachers who don't find
> it funny that Samson appears willing to let substantially more than $500
> disappear, far more than a year's salary for my educator colleagues in
> Haiti...)
>

Please, could you look for a flight that can cost only $500 from Nigeria to
America? Adam? since we are in the spirit of reducing flight tickets,
because i see it as a good idea too to flying $500.

Because you recently suggest that KLM flies less than $1400 without fulling
investigating that it was almost $2000 for that flight.

Well, Lionel feels that SL should invest money that was meant for travel
provided by Google for getting tablets because, Samson is the one
traveling.

>
> Still let me still ask: what would you think if Samson approached this
> with a spirit of compromise, spending $1277.68+190 instead of the earlier
> desired 1920.82 (1730.82+190) or 2110.22 (1920.22+190) ?  In this fashion
> his 2 side trips would not cost Sugar Labs much at all:
>
> $1,277.68 @ Emirates.com for https://goo.gl/flights/5WpL Lagos - San
> Francisco Oct 12/13; Boston - Lagos Oct 21/22
> $190 Los Angeles - Boston Oct 15/16
>

I gave SFC two flight option either $1730 arriving 4:30pm which might make
me late(about 2-3hrs late due to immigration checkings) to the Gsoc summit
on friday. Or i could arrive by 2:30pm and be early for the summit.

Now you are sending me to far middle east which recently Donald Trump ban
(all middle east airlines and north Africa) due to potential terrorist
attack. Yes they lifted the ban? but remember you are putting me in a tight
corner with the U.S immigration officers, are you trying to get me
deported? because anything could go wrong with immigration especially when
it is my first time travelling outside Africa. Remember i am not a US
citizen like most of you, i am holding an ecowas (Nigerian passport) flying
from middle east is not good especially when i am traveling for the first
time.


So please Adam, i am tired of you suggesting flight from you own end
because you are not the one flying it.

Remember Donald Trump and travel policy especially when it has to do with
muslims flight?

Of course, i would want to spend my layover in Dubai (Nice city and great
airport compare to london) but i want avoid immigration questions like...
"we saw you flew to Dubai from Lagos, why didn't you take a direct flight
or fly via, paris, amsterdam or London which most people do, Are you a
terrorist? are you working for ISIS" yeah it is crazy, but i was ask if i
was going to bomb united states when i the consular officer was
interviewing me for my visa.

>
> Nobody appreciates a "planned emergency" like this, when Samson's side
> trips could easily have been mentioned in public earlier this summer,
> instead of forcing everyone to the brink like this with de facto
> high-pressure sales tactics.
>

That is not entirely true, because I informed SFC when they ask me for
flight option. I mentioned to the them that i am doing to Boston for (with
walter for future Turtle Art workshop in Nigeria, and Scratch for 3.0 on
Sugar and Sugarizer). The scratch foundation sent me a letter backing up my
visa for the purpose. SFC ask SLOBS to approve $2000 for my flight because
i gave them series of different options of flight using tripadvisor.

>
> But let's try to make the best of this obvious disaster and put that
> behind us.
>
> If you agree, Samson might be wise to jump on this opportunity immediately
> instead of arguing for days over a trip that could Very Easily Go Down The
> Drain (as prices are now rising quickly, with Oct 12 only days away now).
>
> In Context: the companies I've worked for across my career would * never *
> allow the purchase of intercontinental flights only ~16 days prior to
> travel like this, even if Samson's side trips had been mentioned
> forthrightly a priori (instead of forcing Sugar Labs to the brink, and
> costing us money with ever-rising flight costs...)
>
*Adam, 4 questions for you anything you will say or suggest is what i will
discuss with SFC*

*I am schedule to meet with SFC today concerning my flight. So adam what
are your points? are you trying to send my to middle east and label as a
potential terrorist (i filled in my form that i am not terrorist when
applying and was ask at the US embassy if i am a terrorist), remember i am
traveling to the U.S for the first time? 

Re: [IAEP] Sugarizer1° Revisited

[Samson Goddy]

Lionel, any plans for Scratch 3.0 in Sugarizer?





On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 10:05 PM, Lionel Laské <lionel.la...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Caryl,
>
> Thanks for your support to Sugarizer.
> I remember your Sugarizer Primero idea and as I said to you I'm agree to
> help you as possible.
>
> Here is a short description of our Sugarizer deployment this year (I'm CC
> Bastien so he could give more information):
> - The deployment was in a CM1 class in French so Grade 4 for US.
> - The deployment was between February 2017 and July 2017
> - We've deployed 25 tablets Lenovo A10-30 tablets with a supplementary
> microSD 16Gb card with
> - Each tablet has a protection and we later add a headphone and a
> bluetooth keyboard for each
> - Sugarizer OS - so Sugarizer as an Android launcher - v0.8 was deployed
> on all tablets, we've also included 82 Android activities. Most famous are:
> GCompris, ScratchJr and Wikipedia. The list was decided by Sandrine, our
> education specialist.
> - The school had no internet access, we planned to deploy a Sugarizer
> Server on a RaspberryPI with a bunch of content but we didn't had time to
> finalize it
> - The main work done by the teacher with the tablets was:
>* Mind mapping using the Sugarizer Labyrinth activity
>* Scratch using ScratchJR application
>* E-book creation using BookCreator application
> - Sandrine had regular contacts with the teacher during the year. We had
> few meetings with her too and we had a meeting with parents at the end of
> the year
>
> We're starting these days a new deployment in another school with 10
> tablets (same model). AFAK these tablets will not be dedicated to a
> specific grade  this time.
>
> Best regards.
>
>Lionel.
>
>
>
>
> 2017-09-24 20:52 GMT+02:00 Caryl Bigenho <cbige...@hotmail.com>:
>
>> Hi Walter,
>>
>>
>> Thanks for replying! Yes, we find things a bit hectic here too... we just
>> made our semi-annual move from Montana and are in the midst of unpacking
>> our stuff.
>>
>>
>> I look forward to seeing what results Lionel gets from his pilot test of
>> Sugarizer in a school. Do you know what grade (age) levels he is testing?
>>
>>
>> We can ask Rosamel for some input. As you probably know she is not only
>> working in a school but also is teaching prospective teachers in a local
>> university! She really knows her stuff!
>>
>>
>> I was hoping she could do a survey for us from some of the most
>> successful users of Sugar in the schools she worked with.  Her school,
>> which we visited at the EduJam, was very impressive. Some of the others ...
>> not so much. Teacher/parent "buy in" is very important! If we want to do
>> that, it would be good to do it before they go into their summer vacation.
>>
>>
>> Lionel mentioned someone liking Abecederium. It is a good one for primary
>> school, but there may be problems when we try to translate it into other
>> languages.
>>
>>
>> I was thinking that, after releasing a Sugarizer1° there could be other
>> specialized versions of Sugerizer... eg Sugarizer+-x/ (specially for math)
>> SugarizerCompute (with Pippy and other programming Activities), Sugarizer
>> (Music) and so forth! There are so many possibilities.
>>
>>
>> I see Sugarizer1° as a "trial balloon" where we could get all the kinks
>> out... testing, documentation, translations, marketing, distribution and
>> the like. I also have a granddaughter in the first grade and her Daddy has
>> his PhD in Cognitive Science and Educational Technology. He is a "hard
>> sell" on things like this so, if he likes it, you know it is good!
>>
>>
>> Caryl
>> --
>> *From:* Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, September 24, 2017 11:18:20 AM
>> *To:* Caryl Bigenho
>> *Cc:* Caryl Bigenho; iaep; Adam Holt; Samson Goddy; Shameer Verma;
>> Lionel Laske; Laura Vargas; igna...@sugarlabs.org; Tony Anderson; James
>> Cameron; Rosa; José Miguel García; Gonzalo Odiard
>> *Subject:* Re: Sugarizer1° Revisited
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Caryl Bigenho <cbige...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Folks...
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope you are all enjoying your weekend. Perhaps you have been too busy
>>> and overlooked my email about Sugarizer1°.
>>>
>> Things have been a bit chaotic of late :P
>>
>>
>>> I am resending it and hoping to get some honest opinions and
>>> suggestions, especial

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Samson Goddy]

On Sep 24, 2017 7:44 PM, "Adam Holt"  wrote:

On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Walter Bender 
wrote:

> +1 from me.
>
> This is a timely matter, so please vote ASAP.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 11:12 PM, Sameer Verma  wrote:
>
>> Second.
>>
>> Sameer
>>
>> On Sep 22, 2017 10:48 PM, "Walter Bender" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> As has been discussed, Samson would like to have a layover in Boston on
>>> the way back from the Google Summer of Code summit. He has documented here
>>> [1] that there is not increase in the cost of the ticket to make the Boston
>>> stop. Nonetheless, the SFC has asked that the oversight board approve this
>>> change in the original motion, which only mentioned the GSoC summit.
>>>
>>> Motion: approve the inclusion of a Boston layover in Samson's trip from
>>> Nigeria to California on his return from the GSoC summit.
>>>
>>> Please note that this is independent of the request for additional
>>> funding associated with traveling to Boston (although as Samson has already
>>> noted, we have arranged free lodging for him, thanks to the Minsky family).
>>>
>>> [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dBJ14BeT4titV9FU7Cf0jcJc
>>> 5nto54ly8aZEbN8ZbVw/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>
This documentation is incorrect.  Sugar Labs is being asked to pay $487.36
or $676.76 extra as a result of Samson Goddy's desired side-trips (which
were not mention in Motion 2017-17
) to LA and Boston
after GSoC Mentoring Summit in the SF area Oct 13-15.

As compared to a Nigeria-San Francisco flight without such visits ( $1433.46
is the actual total price at http://klm.com also shown at
https://goo.gl/flights/XwKR )

The links are not displaying. I chose a preferred flight to SFC which was
under the rules and also flexible for me, i took weeks in getting that
flights . Are you now choosing another flight for me?

SFC originally asked me to Ask SLOBS for permission because they notice my
layover in Boston which i explain in previous mail. That i am meeting with
the scratch team and secondly walter about future T.A day in Nigeria.

I am going to L.A from SFO on my own expenses  (caryl is paying for the
flight) taking a local flight from L.A.X to boston.

Which i did. You saying that document is incorrect is wrong. Because i sent
the same documents to SFC starting that i am to fly British airways and
coming back October 24th because of an exams i am having in Nigeria.


Sugar Labs may indeed decide Samson's side trips are worth the extra price,
be it either of the following of the 2 flights chosen by Samson:

$487.36 = 1730.82 (pricier open-jaw ticket) + 190 (LA to Boston) - 1433.46

$676.76 = 1920.22 (pricier open-jaw ticket) + 190 (LA to Boston) -1433.46

Let's be open to an honest, civil debate here about how much exactly
Samson's side trips are (or are not) worth to Sugar Labs.  Please if we can
execute financial decision-making in public (I'm moving this private email
discussion from sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org to iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org)
unless there is an overwhelming reason for confidentiality during
merger/acquisition planning, legal threats etc.


It is cool, but i don't understand why the arguments. The google link shows
the flight i chose and explain how i intend to go to Boston.

Once again thank you.

Please i am to meet with SFC on monday for my flight so making this
decision fast will be nice.


Thank You All.

regards.
>>>
>>> -walter
>>>
>>> --
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Re: [IAEP] Sugarlabs Membership apply - German Ruiz

[Samson Goddy]

Sorry, for the late response German. We have seen your message and will add
you to the member's list.


Regards

Samson

On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 4:16 PM, German  wrote:

> Hello
>
> I've sent this email 7 days ago, still no response from anybody.
>
> Someone on the MEC will reply to your query within 2 business days. If
> you don't get a reply after a week, please contact committee members
> individually.
>
> I'm copying IAEP list for some MEC.
>
> Thanks
> --
> German R S
>
>
> 2017-09-15 15:15 GMT-04:00 German :
> > Hello:
> >
> > I don't know if is possible to apply for a membership of Sugarlabs by
> > this day, if so, I would like to.
> >
> > Your name: German Ruiz
> > Wiki username: https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Rxgerman
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Germanrs
> >
> > GitHub username: https://github.com/germanrs
> >
> > I promote and distribute Sugar, through XO's, I worked with Fundacion
> > Zamora Teran (Nicaragua) for many years (2009-2015) (40k XO's and
> > around 150 schools by the end of 2015), and now I live in the
> > Dominican Republic, here I support a small deployment (6 schools-750
> > XO's).
> >
> > I've been part of many local projects (Fedora, Python workshops with
> > universities).
> >
> > Regards
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Re: [IAEP] Membership and Elections Committee - Elections 2017-2019 Update

[Samson Goddy]

Thanks a lot!

On Sep 15, 2017 4:25 PM, "Laura Vargas" <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:

>
> Done.
>
>
> 2017-09-14 7:33 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Yes, add him too. Thanks
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2017 1:29 PM, "Laura Vargas" <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2017-09-13 15:00 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 8:49 PM, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2017-09-13 13:35 GMT-05:00 Caryl Bigenho <cbige...@hotmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Looking on the archives seems Hrishi requested membership on
>>>>>> December 18, 2017. I was not in the Membership Committee at the time" .
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The above date is 3 months in the future! 
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ups!  I meant December 18, 2016.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Caryl for the correction.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sebastian had announce his Membership and Election's Committee on December
>>>>> 2, 2016
>>>>> <http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2016-December/019271.html> but
>>>>> he looked it up and found Hirish's first application made on December
>>>>> 18, 2016.
>>>>>
>>>>> Samson can you please check in your records?
>>>>>
>>>> Funny enough, I didn't see the email. Quite strange.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Any reason why you did not add Hirish back on December 2016?
>>>>>
>>>> Not really, i didn't see the request.
>>>>
>>>> But can you add him now?, that would be great.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> OK. Remember you also have privileges to add member's to the list.
>>>
>>> Also remember point 01 from the meeting was also Pericherla Seetarama
>>> Raju membership.
>>>
>>> Shall I also add Pericherla?
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Laura
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* IAEP <iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org> on behalf of Samson
>>>>>> Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 13, 2017 6:49:25 AM
>>>>>> *To:* Laura Vargas
>>>>>> *Cc:* Frederick Grose; sugar labs; pericherla seetaramaraju; SLOBs;
>>>>>> Dave Crossland; sugar-...@lists.sugarlabs.org; Ibiam Chihurumnaya;
>>>>>> iaep
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [IAEP] Membership and Elections Committee - Elections
>>>>>> 2017-2019 Update
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 13, 2017 1:15 PM, "Laura Vargas" <la...@somosazucar.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2017-09-13 0:33 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 13, 2017 2:01 AM, "Laura Vargas" <la...@somosazucar.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 11, 2017 4:51 PM, "Laura Vargas" <la...@somosazucar.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello Committee and Community members,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Topics for discussion*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 01 Ignacio,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your resignation
>>>>>>>> <http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2017-September/020036.html>to
>>>>>>>> the board has a direct impact to current elections as *it would
>>>>>>>> open a fifth seat for the Sugar Labs Oversight Board 2017-2019 period. 
>>>>>>>>  As
>>>>>>>> long as you don't make a formal declination of your board seat, the
>>>>>>>> Membership and Elections Committee will

Re: [IAEP] [SLOB] Motion regarding xo-computer icon

[Samson Goddy]

On Sep 15, 2017 3:12 PM, "Walter Bender"  wrote:

The discussion regarding the status of the xo-computer icon seems to be
going around  in circles. In my opinion, this makes it even more imperative
that the Sugar Labs oversight board respond to Tony's questions so that
Tony can proceed with his investigation in to our options.

To state the obvious, this discussion is not about whether or not we can
change the xo-computer icon -- we can do that at any time in consultation
with our design team. The discussion is about whether or not we make that
decision on our own terms or be forced into a change.

Motion: To answer the questions posed by the SFC regarding the xo-computer
icon as follows:
(Q1) Why is the XO logo included in the sugar-artwork repo now -- and does
the SLOBs want to keep it there?
(A1) The xo-computer icon has been part of Sugar since we first designed
and built Sugar (beginning in 2006) and we would like to keep it there
until such time as the design team decides there is a reason to change it.
(Q2) Assuming the SLOBs want to keep the XO logo in sugar-artwork: what
outcome would the SLOBs *prefer* to see happen?  E.g.,
- Does Sugar want downstream users to be able to redistribute and modify
Sugar's codebase with or without the XO trademark file included in the
program?
- Does the SLOBs want downstream users to be able to modify and
redistribute the XO trademark image itself, or is that less important to
Sugar?
(A2) Sugar Artwork, including the xo-computer icon, is currently licensed
under the GPL and we would like our downstream users to be able to use all
of our artwork under the terms of that license. As far as the use of any
trademark image outside of the context of Sugar, we have no opinion.

I'd appreciate if someone would second this motion and, if it passes, the
results be reported to Tony by Adam, our SFC liaison. Of course, if the
motion does not pass, we will need to continue the discussion.

I second the motion.


regards.

-walter

-- Forwarded message --
From: Walter Bender 
Date: Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 8:48 PM
Subject: [SLOB] xo-computer icon
To: SLOBs 
Cc: Sugar-dev Devel 


As probably most of you are aware, yesterday one of our community members
unilaterally changed the xo-computer icon in sugar-artwork. The ensuing
discussion about the change is in the github pull request, "Urgent fix
logos", [1]

The gist of his concern is that OLPC has a trademark on the XO artwork [2]
and there was concern that we were infringing and consequently downstream
users would also be infringing.

As Sean Daly points out, this is not the first time that the topic has come
up [3, 4]. "In the past, OLPC was amenable to the use of the xo logo in
Sugar, but asked we not use it in marketing materials without a formal
co-branding licensing agreement."

Personally, I think that OLPC was explicit in making the Sugar artwork
available under a GPL licence and that this is hence moot. But I am not
qualified to make that assessment. Consequently, I asked Adam Holt, our SFC
liaison, to raise the issue with the legal team. Tony asked us to consider
the following questions:

1) Why is the XO logo included in the sugar-artwork repo now -- and does
the SLOBs want to keep it there?
2) Assuming the SLOBs want to keep the XO logo in sugar-artwork:  what
outcome would the SLOBs *prefer* to see happen?  E.g.,
- Does Sugar want downstream users to be able to redistribute and modify
Sugar's codebase with or without the XO trademark file included in the
program?
- Does the SLOBs want downstream users to be able to modify and
redistribute the XO trademark image itself, or is that less important to
Sugar?

The answer to the first part of Tony's first question is that the XO logo
was part of Sugar from the very beginning -- before Sugar Labs was split
from OLPC. We've never changed it.

Regarding the second part: does the SLOBs want to keep it there?  is
something we  need to discuss. Personally, I think it serves its purpose
well -- a childcentric interface and it is "iconic" of Sugar. I see no
reason to change it.

Regarding Tony's second question, I would want downstream users to have as
much freedom as possible: to use or not use the XO icon as they choose.
However, I don't see the need to expand beyond the context of Sugar. If
someone downstream wants to use the artwork for some other purpose, that is
not our issue (although I that the GPL license would be the relevant
determinant.)

What do others think?

Note, I think we should defer the discussion of what we would use as
replacement artwork until we resolve the current issue.

regards.

-walter

[1]  https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-artwork/pull/96
[2]  http://www.trademarkia.com/xo-78880051.html
[3]  http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2008-December/003059.html
[4] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2011-October/014245.html

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Re: [IAEP] Membership and Elections Committee - Elections 2017-2019 Update

[Samson Goddy]

Yes, add him too. Thanks

On Sep 14, 2017 1:29 PM, "Laura Vargas" <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:

>
>
> 2017-09-13 15:00 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 8:49 PM, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2017-09-13 13:35 GMT-05:00 Caryl Bigenho <cbige...@hotmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> "Looking on the archives seems Hrishi requested membership on December
>>>> 18, 2017. I was not in the Membership Committee at the time" .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The above date is 3 months in the future! 
>>>>
>>>
>>> Ups!  I meant December 18, 2016.
>>>
>>> Thank you Caryl for the correction.
>>>
>>> Sebastian had announce his Membership and Election's Committee on December
>>> 2, 2016
>>> <http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2016-December/019271.html> but
>>> he looked it up and found Hirish's first application made on December
>>> 18, 2016.
>>>
>>> Samson can you please check in your records?
>>>
>> Funny enough, I didn't see the email. Quite strange.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any reason why you did not add Hirish back on December 2016?
>>>
>> Not really, i didn't see the request.
>>
>> But can you add him now?, that would be great.
>>
>
>
> OK. Remember you also have privileges to add member's to the list.
>
> Also remember point 01 from the meeting was also Pericherla Seetarama
> Raju membership.
>
> Shall I also add Pericherla?
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Laura
>>>
>>> *From:* IAEP <iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org> on behalf of Samson
>>>> Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 13, 2017 6:49:25 AM
>>>> *To:* Laura Vargas
>>>> *Cc:* Frederick Grose; sugar labs; pericherla seetaramaraju; SLOBs;
>>>> Dave Crossland; sugar-...@lists.sugarlabs.org; Ibiam Chihurumnaya; iaep
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [IAEP] Membership and Elections Committee - Elections
>>>> 2017-2019 Update
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 13, 2017 1:15 PM, "Laura Vargas" <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2017-09-13 0:33 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 13, 2017 2:01 AM, "Laura Vargas" <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 11, 2017 4:51 PM, "Laura Vargas" <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Committee and Community members,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Topics for discussion*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 01 Ignacio,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your resignation
>>>>>> <http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2017-September/020036.html>to
>>>>>> the board has a direct impact to current elections as *it would open
>>>>>> a fifth seat for the Sugar Labs Oversight Board 2017-2019 period.  As 
>>>>>> long
>>>>>> as you don't make a formal declination of your board seat, the Membership
>>>>>> and Elections Committee will not consider the seat available for the
>>>>>> 2017-2019 elections.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Samson,
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you please share your opinion in this issue as well?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry for replying late, i think Ignacio have not originally declared
>>>>> himself out yet. So the seat isn't available until the next election.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your imput. Given the relevance for current elections, l
>>>> think we should doable-check with the Boar to be sure.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Secondly laura, as you requested Hrishi actually applied for
>>>>> membership, he has not gotten any reply or added today the list. I am 
>>>>> still
>>>>> in Abuja for my visa (Which i got) so i am away from my computer.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Looking on the archives seems Hrishi requested membership on December
>

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Motion: To apply to GCI 2017.

[Samson Goddy]

On Sep 14, 2017 3:37 AM, "Laura Vargas"  wrote:

Hello SLOBs,

Walter has mentioned we as SLOB's should decide whether or not Sugar Labs
will participate in GCI 2017.

I was a Code In mentor back in 2013 and I remember it was a nice experience
with a lot of work but rewarded to see Ignacio winning :D

So, I think we should keep supporting this program.

Motion: Sugar Labs to participate on GCI 2017.

Any second?

I Second the motion, it is important we participate.



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Re: [IAEP] Membership and Elections Committee - Elections 2017-2019 Update

[Samson Goddy]

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 8:49 PM, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:

>
>
> 2017-09-13 13:35 GMT-05:00 Caryl Bigenho <cbige...@hotmail.com>:
>
>> "Looking on the archives seems Hrishi requested membership on December
>> 18, 2017. I was not in the Membership Committee at the time" .
>>
>>
>> The above date is 3 months in the future! 
>>
>
> Ups!  I meant December 18, 2016.
>
> Thank you Caryl for the correction.
>
> Sebastian had announce his Membership and Election's Committee on December
> 2, 2016
> <http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2016-December/019271.html> but
> he looked it up and found Hirish's first application made on December 18,
> 2016.
>
> Samson can you please check in your records?
>
Funny enough, I didn't see the email. Quite strange.

>
>
> Any reason why you did not add Hirish back on December 2016?
>
Not really, i didn't see the request.

But can you add him now?, that would be great.

>
> Regards
>
> Laura
>
> *From:* IAEP <iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org> on behalf of Samson Goddy
>> <samsongo...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 13, 2017 6:49:25 AM
>> *To:* Laura Vargas
>> *Cc:* Frederick Grose; sugar labs; pericherla seetaramaraju; SLOBs; Dave
>> Crossland; sugar-...@lists.sugarlabs.org; Ibiam Chihurumnaya; iaep
>> *Subject:* Re: [IAEP] Membership and Elections Committee - Elections
>> 2017-2019 Update
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 13, 2017 1:15 PM, "Laura Vargas" <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> 2017-09-13 0:33 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 13, 2017 2:01 AM, "Laura Vargas" <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sep 11, 2017 4:51 PM, "Laura Vargas" <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello Committee and Community members,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Topics for discussion*
>>>>
>>>> 01 Ignacio,
>>>>
>>>> Your resignation
>>>> <http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2017-September/020036.html>to
>>>> the board has a direct impact to current elections as *it would open a
>>>> fifth seat for the Sugar Labs Oversight Board 2017-2019 period.  As long as
>>>> you don't make a formal declination of your board seat, the Membership and
>>>> Elections Committee will not consider the seat available for the 2017-2019
>>>> elections.*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Samson,
>>>
>>> Can you please share your opinion in this issue as well?
>>>
>>> Sorry for replying late, i think Ignacio have not originally declared
>>> himself out yet. So the seat isn't available until the next election.
>>>
>>>
>> Thanks for your imput. Given the relevance for current elections, l think
>> we should doable-check with the Boar to be sure.
>>
>>
>>> Secondly laura, as you requested Hrishi actually applied for membership,
>>> he has not gotten any reply or added today the list. I am still in Abuja
>>> for my visa (Which i got) so i am away from my computer.
>>>
>>>
>> Looking on the archives seems Hrishi requested membership on December 18,
>> 2017. I was not in the Membership Committee at the time,
>>
>> Can you confirm why you didn't approve the request at the time?
>>
>> I did see his mail last week.
>>
>> But he mailed the membership applying for membership September 11th.
>>
>> Hrishi Patel
>> IRC name : hrishi
>> GitHub : hrishi1999
>>
>> I've been contributing to SL since 2014. I've been part of GCI
>> 2014,15,16. I was a mentor for 3 projects in GSoC 2017 and has helped for
>> docs and other projects.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please look into it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>>> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
>>> ~ L. Victoria
>>>
>>> Happy Learning!
>>> #LearningByDoing
>>> #Projects4good
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Laura V.
>> *I SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>>
>> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
>> ~ L. Victoria
>>
>> Happy Learning!
>> #LearningByDoing
>> #Projects4good
>> #IDesignATSugarLabs
>> #WeCanDoBetter
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: [IAEP] Membership and Elections Committee - Elections 2017-2019 Update

[Samson Goddy]

On Sep 13, 2017 1:15 PM, "Laura Vargas" <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:



2017-09-13 0:33 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>:

>
>
> On Sep 13, 2017 2:01 AM, "Laura Vargas" <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:
>
> On Sep 11, 2017 4:51 PM, "Laura Vargas" <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hello Committee and Community members,
>>
>>
>> *Topics for discussion*
>>
>> 01 Ignacio,
>>
>> Your resignation
>> <http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2017-September/020036.html>to
>> the board has a direct impact to current elections as *it would open a
>> fifth seat for the Sugar Labs Oversight Board 2017-2019 period.  As long as
>> you don't make a formal declination of your board seat, the Membership and
>> Elections Committee will not consider the seat available for the 2017-2019
>> elections.*
>>
>>
>>
> Samson,
>
> Can you please share your opinion in this issue as well?
>
> Sorry for replying late, i think Ignacio have not originally declared
> himself out yet. So the seat isn't available until the next election.
>
>
Thanks for your imput. Given the relevance for current elections, l think
we should doable-check with the Boar to be sure.


> Secondly laura, as you requested Hrishi actually applied for membership,
> he has not gotten any reply or added today the list. I am still in Abuja
> for my visa (Which i got) so i am away from my computer.
>
>
Looking on the archives seems Hrishi requested membership on December 18,
2017. I was not in the Membership Committee at the time,

Can you confirm why you didn't approve the request at the time?

I did see his mail last week.

But he mailed the membership applying for membership September 11th.

Hrishi Patel
IRC name : hrishi
GitHub : hrishi1999

I've been contributing to SL since 2014. I've been part of GCI 2014,15,16.
I was a mentor for 3 projects in GSoC 2017 and has helped for docs and
other projects.



Please look into it.
>
>
> Regards
>
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2017-09-12

[Samson Goddy]

On Sep 12, 2017 5:59 PM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:

It has been a long time since I last wrote a Sugar Labs community new blog.
I got tied up with my day jobs: starting a new design college from scratch
and launching a new research center at MIT. (And, frankly, I was a bit
depressed following the deaths of Marvin Minsky and Seymour Papert.) I have
a breather on both fronts and given all of the Sugar activity of late, I am
inspired to do some writing.

1. A footnote from Google Code-in 2015. Ezequiel Pereira, one of the
grand-prize recipients from Sugar Labs was recently acknowledged by Google
for discovering a security bug. He got some nice press, e.g., [1, 2]. In
one article [3], he was quoted as saying: "Homework is boring. Looking for
bugs is fun.” Ezequiel is one of a generation of children in Uruguay who
grew up with Sugar. It is nice to hear the occasional word about their
accomplishments.

2. We just wrapped up Google Code-in and Outreachy 2017. We had 9 interns
supported by Google and 1 Outreachy intern. You can read about their
accomplishments in their blogs [4] and in the meeting logs [5] (every
Monday from May through August). Highlights from the summer include a new,
easy-to-maintain activity portal and a new www.sugarlabs.org, both going
live soon. Also of note: a new Sugar image for Raspberry Pi, some new apps,
GTK3 ports, a Sugarizer dashboard, and a major overhaul of Music Blocks.

Tip of the hat to our mentors: Abhijit Patel, Cristina Del Puerto, Devin
Ulibarri, Hrishi Patel, Ignacio Rodriguez, José Argüello, Lionel Laské,
Matias Baez, Michaël Ohayon, Samson Goddy, Samuel Cantero, and Tony
Anderson. Lionel help me adminsister the program again this year. It is
nice to note that many of the mentors are fomer GCI participants.

Was an amazing experience with awesome projects


Cristina, Michaël, and Samson will be representing Sugar Labs at the annual
mentor summit at Google in October. (For those of you who have been
following the saga of Samson's visa, I am happy to say that he was
approved!)

Yeah, thanks walter, Adam, Hilary and Claudia for helping me get the visa.
It was tricky because i saw over 100 people rejected before i applied. I
that i am going to have a US visa stamped on my passport i won't be worring
about visa refusing in europe(France incident) anymore.

Next step is to search for a good flights to SF and Boston.


3. I was invited to represent Sugar Labs at the Plan Ceibal 10th
anniversary in Montevideo a few months ago. It was great to see children
still using Sugar 10  years after the first deployment in a small school in
the Florida Department. It was also an opportunity to catch up with many
old friends and Sugar contributors, including Ignacio, Andres, Alan, Jose
Miguel, Guzman, etc. I am not sure if my talk is on line, but I wrote a
paper based on the talk which is available for download [6].

4. Lionel just announced a new release of Sugarizer (v0.9). See [7] for all
of the details.

Awesome.


5. James Cameron is working towards the release of Sugar 0.111, our first
new release in nearly one year. It is mostly planned as a maintenance
release.

6. There are only a few more days left (15 Sept.) to register as a
candidate for the Sugar Labs oversight board. Please consider joining the
board as we need some fresh voices and perspectives. See [8] for details.
You also have until 27 Sept. to register as a member in order to be given a
vote in the election. See [9] for details.

7. One of the first decisions the new board will be making is whether or
not Sugar Labs should apply for GCI 2017. I am hopeful that the board will
see the merits of the program and give a green light to apply again this
year. If we do apply, I will be looking for mentors, project ideas, and a
co-administrator. Please contact me if you are interested.

I hope so too.


regards.

-walter



[1] https://thenextweb.com/google/2017/08/10/highschool-
security-research-google-data/#.tnw_5BETRGWT
[2] https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/08/10/schoolboy_google_
bug_bounty_http_host/
[3] http://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/google-awards-
uruguay-high-school-student-10k-finding/story?id=49249604
[4] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code
[5] http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings
[6] http://www.um.es/ead/red/54/bender.pdf
[7] http://sugarizer.org
[8] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2017-2019-candidates
[9] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members

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Re: [IAEP] Membership and Elections Committee - Elections 2017-2019 Update

[Samson Goddy]

On Sep 11, 2017 4:51 PM, "Laura Vargas"  wrote:


Hello Committee and Community members,

Procedure Note: Decisions are taken by majority of votes during Committee's
email communications which usually take place with cc to the SL systems
list, Dave Crossland (official impartial party) and Frederick Grose (wiki
leader team).


***As per 2017-2019 election calendar next Friday September 15 is the
Candidate's Wiki Submission deadline***

So far we have 145 members and 4 candidates for 4 slots!

As per Committee meetings, Ignacio Rodriguez
 is
officially in charge of all technical procedures for the 2017-2019 Election
with the assistance of the Sugar Labs System team and the impartial
oversight of Dave Crossland.

My task for the upcoming days will be to document on the SL Wiki 2017-2109
Election's discussion Page all decisions and minutes of the Committee
related to the 2017-2019 Election. I (Laura) already started and will
continue to work on this during the week.

Other pending tasks you can help with:

01 Addition of new members to the Sugar Labs member's list. As far as I
know there is only one (1) request pending: Pericherla Seetarama Raju. *#ACTION
needed: *Samson and/or Ignacio please do confirm and update member's list
accordingly.



*Topics for discussion*

01 Ignacio,

Your resignation
to the
board has a direct impact to current elections as *it would open a fifth
seat for the Sugar Labs Oversight Board 2017-2019 period.  As long as you
don't make a formal declination of your board seat, the Membership and
Elections Committee will not consider the seat available for the 2017-2019
elections.*


02 Samson,

Your unfounded accusations and temperamental attacks are unacceptable.

What attacks are you talking about?


When you and/or Ignacio have failed to take actions to make decisions on a
timely manner, the decision has been up-streamed and taken with SLOBs
 like e.g. the
deadline for new members to participate in 2017-2019 elections. Otherwise
everything has been discussed and agreed properly.

I never accused you and i will never will. I also made up some points and
are valid. About the three new members, i told them to ask for membership
if they are register. To follow procedures.



03 James, Samson, Ignacio

As Committee member I will follow any course of action properly agreed by
Samson and Ignacio about the tasks derived from the addition of new members
to the Committee.

In the meanwhile I can keep Ibiam and Pericherla on copy. From Hirish I
don't even have the email.

Hirish will have to confirm and officially as to join the committee as you
suggested. I believe Pericherla has made that request.



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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Urgent Motion: To add three contributors into the membership/election committee

[Samson Goddy]

On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 at 9:08 PM Lionel Laské  wrote:

> -1 for the motion.
>
> As James said, I don't think adding more Sugar Labs members will give
> more transparency.
>
> Good point to make an open call if there is more volunteer but do a motion
> to "force" new members to the committee is not fair.
> Plus except if I miss something I didn't seen in this thread a clear
> request from Pericherla, Hirish or Ibiam to be a part of the committee
>
the motion passed and second this is not the first time Ibiam showed
interest
Just that you didnt catch the mail.

We just got  three new members and thanks to Laura effort we should be
expecting new members.

> .
>
> Lionel.
>
>
> 2017-09-07 8:23 GMT+02:00 Laura Vargas :
>
>>
>>
>> 2017-09-06 20:04 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender :
>>
>>> As I said earlier, I don't think SLOB should be involved in the details
>>> of who is a member of this committee or that committee.
>>>
>> We should be trusting the community. That said, I agree with James -- we
>>> need more transparency from the committee. For example, when the "Sugar
>>> Labs Membership and Elections Committee strongly suggests" something in the
>>> wiki, it would be nice to have a public link to the meeting notes available
>>> so that it is clear that it really is the committee that is strongly
>>> suggesting and not just an individual's opinion.
>>>
>>
>> I fixed the discussion page to reflect my opinion only. Now it reads:
>>
>> "I strongly suggest candidates to optimize space given and avoid
>> irrelevant information such as quoting other people's thoughts different
>> from those thoughts of the candidate him/her self. Instead I suggest
>> candidates to focus on a simple message to share your motivation, vision
>> and/or management skills that make you an ideal candidate for the Sugar
>> Labs Oversight Board."
>>
>> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Oversight_Board/2017-2019-candidates
>>
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> Laura
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> regards.
>>>
>>> -walter
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 8:36 PM, Laura Vargas 
>>> wrote:
>>>


 2017-09-06 19:24 GMT-05:00 James Cameron :

> On Wed, Sep 06, 2017 at 07:00:24PM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote:
> > In my opinion the motion haven't pass yet as have only 3 valid votes
> > in favor: Walter as 1 of the 4 candidates for the 2017-2019
> > elections should abstain to avoid any direct interference with the
> > current election process he is participating in.
>
> I disagree.  As the motion is only adding members to a committee,
> there's no interference in process of the committee.
>
> By your logic above, the only people who could vote for the motion are
> those whose slot is not expiring; Samson, Ignacio, and Laura.  And
> these three are the committee.  ;-)
>
>
 Not even I should vote on any motion related to the current electoral
 process until current election calendar terminates on October 15, 2017 as
 it could be defined as a "Conflict of Interest".

 At this point, this a polemical motion.

 I think we need to make allow enough time to set as deadline for the
 OPEN CALL for volunteers for the Membership and Elections Committee so that
 ALL members of SUGAR LABS (r) are invited to join the Committee in equal
 conditions.


 I want to underline is super important anyone who wants to join the
 Committee should state it on his/her own during an OPEN CALL.

 Regards
 Laura V


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>>>
>>
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Re: [IAEP] Urgent Motion: To add three contributors into the membership/election committee

[Samson Goddy]

On Sep 7, 2017 1:00 AM, "Laura Vargas" <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:



2017-09-06 18:09 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>:

> Thank you James,
>
> The reason we want more members is due to the current members are all
> SLOBS and since we will be having elections it is wise to have some
> non-SLOBS member in, for sake of transparency.
>
>
>
Samson
>
>
I agree.

Therefore we will complete an *open call for volunteers* and will translate
and communicate giving enough time to all our members on our supported
lists.

In my opinion *the motion haven't pass yet *as have only 3 valid votes in
favor: Walter as 1 of the 4 candidates
<https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2017-2019-candidates>for the
2017-2019 elections should abstain to avoid any direct interference with
the current election process he is participating in.

I don't understand. All vote are counted valid until after election, he is
still SLOB.

Everyone has the right to vote on motion until they lose seat. If i want
use your words against you. Meaning we only have 3 valid voters (Me, you
and Ignacio) and we can't pass any motion with 3 out of 7 seat.

So no need for this statement.


Again, *I would support a motion for new members as long as they are Sugar
Labs members in "good standing" and have made a volunteer request to be
part of the Committee on a OPEN, inclusive and transparent way. *.

Good but this three already showed interest and we should use what we have
before we wait for others.




Regards and blessings in your way,

Laura V
--SL MEC Liaison



>
> On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 12:05 AM, James Cameron <qu...@laptop.org> wrote:
>
>> Good that the motion passed, but I'll comment anyway.  ;-)
>>
>> Pericherla Seetaramaraju and Hirish Patel are not Sugar Labs members
>> yet.  On the other hand, nor am I.
>>
>> My opinion is that it is up to the membership and elections committee
>> who they invite to their meetings and who they collaborate with.  Call
>> them visitors.  Visitors need not be Sugar Labs members.  Visitors
>> could be asked their opinion but their vote on motions could be
>> avoided.
>>
>> I don't see why the committee needs more committee members, apart from
>> Walter's concern that the committee at the moment consists only of
>> the continuing oversight board members.
>>
>> http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2017-09-
>> 01T19:10:08#i_2902795
>>
>> This perhaps is more a function of the level of interest overall; and
>> losing Ignacio is an unfortunate sign of that.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 06, 2017 at 05:43:31PM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote:
>> > Samson,
>> >
>> > I would support a motion to add Ibiam to the Membership and elections
>> Committee
>> > since Ibiam is a Sugar Labs member.
>> >
>> > Not sure it works for non Sugar Labs members.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Laura V
>> > Membership and Elections Committee Liaison
>> >
>> > 2017-09-06 16:02 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy <[1]samsongo...@gmail.com>:
>> >
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > I am requesting to SLOB. To add Pericherla Seetaramaraju  (Google
>> Summer of
>> > Code Intern), Hirish Patel (Contributor and Google Summer of Code
>> Mentor)
>> > and Ibiam Chihurumnaya (Member of Sugar Labs). I mentioned at the
>> meeting
>> > that we need more members in the Membership/Election committee.
>> >
>> >
>> > I will appreciate if someone second this motion for voting.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > Samson Goddy
>> >
>> > --
>> > Laura V.
>> > I SomosAZUCAR.Org
>> >
>> > “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
>> > ~ L. Victoria
>> >
>> > Happy Learning!
>> > #LearningByDoing
>> > #Projects4good
>> > #IDesignATSugarLabs
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>> >
>> > References:
>> >
>> > [1] mailto:samsongo...@gmail.com
>>
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Re: [IAEP] Urgent Motion: To add three contributors into the membership/election committee

[Samson Goddy]

Thank you James,

The reason we want more members is due to the current members are all SLOBS
and since we will be having elections it is wise to have some non-SLOBS
member in, for sake of transparency.

Samson

On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 12:05 AM, James Cameron <qu...@laptop.org> wrote:

> Good that the motion passed, but I'll comment anyway.  ;-)
>
> Pericherla Seetaramaraju and Hirish Patel are not Sugar Labs members
> yet.  On the other hand, nor am I.
>
> My opinion is that it is up to the membership and elections committee
> who they invite to their meetings and who they collaborate with.  Call
> them visitors.  Visitors need not be Sugar Labs members.  Visitors
> could be asked their opinion but their vote on motions could be
> avoided.
>
> I don't see why the committee needs more committee members, apart from
> Walter's concern that the committee at the moment consists only of
> the continuing oversight board members.
>
> http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2017-
> 09-01T19:10:08#i_2902795
>
> This perhaps is more a function of the level of interest overall; and
> losing Ignacio is an unfortunate sign of that.
>
> On Wed, Sep 06, 2017 at 05:43:31PM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote:
> > Samson,
> >
> > I would support a motion to add Ibiam to the Membership and elections
> Committee
> > since Ibiam is a Sugar Labs member.
> >
> > Not sure it works for non Sugar Labs members.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Laura V
> > Membership and Elections Committee Liaison
> >
> > 2017-09-06 16:02 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy <[1]samsongo...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am requesting to SLOB. To add Pericherla Seetaramaraju  (Google
> Summer of
> > Code Intern), Hirish Patel (Contributor and Google Summer of Code
> Mentor)
> > and Ibiam Chihurumnaya (Member of Sugar Labs). I mentioned at the
> meeting
> > that we need more members in the Membership/Election committee.
> >
> >
> > I will appreciate if someone second this motion for voting.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Samson Goddy
> >
> > --
> > Laura V.
> > I SomosAZUCAR.Org
> >
> > “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
> > ~ L. Victoria
> >
> > Happy Learning!
> > #LearningByDoing
> > #Projects4good
> > #IDesignATSugarLabs
> > #WeCanDoBetter
> >
> > References:
> >
> > [1] mailto:samsongo...@gmail.com
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Re: [IAEP] Urgent Motion: To add three contributors into the membership/election committee

[Samson Goddy]

The motion already passed.

Both of them are going to sign up for Sugar Labs membership, which they can
easily do.

I guess this motion passed.

Pericherla and Hrishi, the next step to take is to formally sign up as a
Sugar Labs member[1].

Congrats

[1] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members#Applying_for_membership



On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 11:43 PM, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:

> Samson,
>
> I would support a motion to add Ibiam to the Membership and elections
> Committee since Ibiam is a Sugar Labs member.
>
> Not sure it works for non Sugar Labs members.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Laura V
> Membership and Elections Committee Liaison
>
>
> 2017-09-06 16:02 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am requesting to SLOB. To add Pericherla Seetaramaraju  (Google Summer
>> of Code Intern), Hirish Patel (Contributor and Google Summer of Code
>> Mentor)
>> and Ibiam Chihurumnaya (Member of Sugar Labs). I mentioned at the meeting
>> that we need more members in the Membership/Election committee.
>>
>>
>> I will appreciate if someone second this motion for voting.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Samson Goddy
>>
>
>
>
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>
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[IAEP] Urgent Motion: To add three contributors into the membership/election committee

[Samson Goddy]

Hello,

I am requesting to SLOB. To add Pericherla Seetaramaraju  (Google Summer of
Code Intern), Hirish Patel (Contributor and Google Summer of Code Mentor)
and Ibiam Chihurumnaya (Member of Sugar Labs). I mentioned at the meeting
that we need more members in the Membership/Election committee.


I will appreciate if someone second this motion for voting.



Regards

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed

[Samson Goddy]

I am want to say that i am *very very* disappointed of what this community
is turning into. I am certainly confuse of how some decisions are been made
for reasons that are not just worth it.

I remember asking for $2K+ as to support i and Ibiam's travel to the
scratch conference that would *benefit* the community. It was obviously
refused for reasons that make me laugh sometimes. We debated about it and
then decided to cost ibiam out the conference and reducing the support to
$500. With all the arguments, i eventually didn't prepare very well for the
schengen visa and i got rejected with no time to appeal because of the
confusion from Sugar Labs board. I lost over $600 from my personal funds
trying to get Sugar Labs stories and project down to bordeaux. Because i
believe that is the responsibility as a member of this community.

Can someone remind me again what is the "*Mission and Vision*" statement of
Sugar Labs?

Now, i was chosen based on the work i put into by helping as a mentor on
the new website to attend the mentor summit which i believe Google is
paying for not Sugar Labs, which has been over 6 years now. *Not *attending
the summit create a bad name from Sugar Labs because pay you to attend. Now
this motion is delayed because 3 in favour, 1 not-in-favour, 2 abstain
confirmed.

 I need to book appointment for an interview this week and it takes up to
(15 working days) for the US embassy to approve the appointment and
according to Google i need to have a visa on or before 5th of September.

So i am asking politely, *if* the community is not comfortable with me
going to the mentor summit in SFO, i will appreciate if i will be told
today or tomorrow. So that i can stop working on my DS-160 form and so that
someone can go instead of me, especially if that person will be needing a
visa. Because i don't buy or understand this excuses.

I am very open minded, i don't get angry alot but i hate *politics.*

Samson

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:

>
>
> 2017-08-13 8:44 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Really???
>>
>> I have to agree with Samson here. What is the existential risk here? How
>> does the risk of a travel advance to a well established community member
>> (and oversight board member) for a trip sponsored by a reliable funding
>> source with whom we have been working for years represent some "dangerous
>> precedent"? Regarding your suggestion that we loan the money as
>> individuals, the fact that I out almost $2K for money I have loaned to
>> community members for travel advances...
>>
>
>
> For everyone's reference, I believe here it is imperative to clear that:
>
> *Sugar labs board has never approved or endorse any personal loans among
> members. This practice would potentially produce long-term distortions in 
> **democratic
> decision making.*
>
> Regards
>
> Laura V
>
> makes me much more wary of that approach. It seemingly introduces an
>> additional layer of confusion that makes travel reimbursement all the more
>> mired within the opaque operations of our parent org.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Adam for the wonderful reply.
>>>
>>> On Aug 13, 2017 2:10 PM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Because Samson Goddy is our close friend and clearly should go to San
>>> Francisco for GSoC, it is tempting to send him a personal loan.
>>>
>>> But for Sugar Labs to provide loans to our personal friends is a
>>> dangerous precedent frought with moral and ethical hazards.
>>>
>>> As such, personally my conscience forces me to abstain from all such
>>> matters.
>>>
>>> A quick question.. I am trying to undertsand some comments on this
>>> motion.
>>>
>>> I believe this is not the first time Google is giving money to Sugar
>>> Labs and i am pretty sure i am not the first person from Sugar Labs to
>>> attend GSOC summit.
>>>
>>> Why is this an issue, for SL to approve so SFC can give me travel
>>> advance?
>>>
>>> Dont Google pay for the travels?
>>>
>>> Why i am asking these questions is because i haven't seen such  comments
>>> on previous travels and i certainly dont understand why it is happening
>>> now, at least eating up time when i should be scheduling for interview with
>>> the US embassy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I strongly encourage others to provide Samson the $627.05 personal loan
>>> he in fact does need, if Sugar Labs 

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed

[Samson Goddy]

Thank you Adam for the wonderful reply.

On Aug 13, 2017 2:10 PM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:

Because Samson Goddy is our close friend and clearly should go to San
Francisco for GSoC, it is tempting to send him a personal loan.

But for Sugar Labs to provide loans to our personal friends is a dangerous
precedent frought with moral and ethical hazards.

As such, personally my conscience forces me to abstain from all such
matters.

A quick question.. I am trying to undertsand some comments on this motion.

I believe this is not the first time Google is giving money to Sugar Labs
and i am pretty sure i am not the first person from Sugar Labs to attend
GSOC summit.

Why is this an issue, for SL to approve so SFC can give me travel advance?

Dont Google pay for the travels?

Why i am asking these questions is because i haven't seen such  comments on
previous travels and i certainly dont understand why it is happening now,
at least eating up time when i should be scheduling for interview with the
US embassy.



I strongly encourage others to provide Samson the $627.05 personal loan he
in fact does need, if Sugar Labs cannot.

*It will make a gigantic difference, and you will have a friend for life in
Samson Goddy, who is likely to move forward accomplishing truly incredible
things in his life.*

Thanks for this note.



On Aug 13, 2017 2:54 AM, "Lionel Laské" <lionel.la...@gmail.com> wrote:


Because Adam is our Financial contact, I would like to hear from him before
voting.
In the meantime my vote could be considering as "Abstain".

 Lionel.


2017-08-12 15:27 GMT-07:00 Tabitha Roder <tabi...@tabitha.net.nz>:

> I think Sugar Labs should approve the $US 627.05 travel advance for
> Samson Goddy.
> Tabitha
>
>
> On Aug 11, 2017 8:44 AM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I presume we need a motion and a vote on this. Time is of the essence, so
>> please respond ASAP.
>>
>> Motion: Samson Goddy has been selected as a Sugar Labs representative to
>> the Google Summer of Code mentor summit. He has requested a travel advance
>> to cover the costs of his visa application. The advance, including wire
>> fees comes to $US 627.05. This motion is to approve the travel advance. (As
>> additional background, Google will be covering up to $2200 in travel
>> expenses for two representatives to attend the summit. Since our other
>> representative is local to the SF area, the bulk of that money would be
>> available to cover Samson's travel, so the net impact on SL funds will be
>> negligible.
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Accounting at Software Freedom Conservancy <
>> account...@sfconservancy.org>
>> Date: Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:16 PM
>> Subject: URGENT request for Sugar Labs to approve of US$627.05 advance
>> for Goddy for GSoC Mentor Summit (was: Is Goddy actually requesting $160 ?)
>> To: su...@sfconservancy.org
>> Cc: Martin Michlmayr <g...@sfconservancy.org>, Samson Goddy <
>> samsongo...@gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> Sugar Labs PLC,  please urgently page down to the all caps section below.
>>
>> Samson,
>>
>> Samson Goddy wrote at 08:52 (EDT) on Wednesday:
>> > it has been 5 days, i already made request to su...@sfconservancy.org
>> for
>> > funding. Since it takes up to 15 working days(3 weeks) for the embassy
>> to
>> > accept appointment for interview.
>> >
>> > I haven't heard anything from both parties.
>>
>> Unfortunately, We are waiting for someone from Sugar Labs to reply to
>> approve the expense.  I don't know why they haven't replied.
>>
>> SUGAR LABS PLC: By my calculation, Samson is asking for this:
>>
>>   FOR TRAVEL TO GET A VISA, AND FOR THE VISA FEES ITSELF, SAMSON GODDY
>> ASKS
>>   FOR A CASH ADVANCE OF TRAVEL EXPENSES (TO COME TO GSOC MENTOR SUMMIT
>>   2017).  The totals are as follows:
>>
>>   If we use western union, N202,350 = $570 (rate set by WU)
>>
>>   If we use wire, he's asking for 561+(561*.05)+13+25 = US$627.05 to be
>> wired.
>>wire fees
>>
>> If Sugar Labs PLC replies with approval before Sunday night US/Eastern, we
>> can likely process a payment by wire on Monday.
>>
>>
>> We don't typically use Western Union, and it would be substantial effort
>> for
>> us to do that, so we'd like Sugar to approve the additional wire fees as
>> it will make payment more rapid for Samson and easier for Conservancy.
>>
>> Samson, your request was a bit 

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] URGENT action needed

[Samson Goddy]

Please i encourage people that haven't voted yet should please do. As SFC
promise to wire transfer on Monday if  this motion pass on or before Sunday.

Samson

On Aug 12, 2017 1:00 AM, "James Cameron" <qu...@laptop.org> wrote:

> I'm not a board member, or a member, but my opinion is that Sugar Labs
> should approve the $US 627.05 travel advance for Samson Goddy.
>
> Having said that, I'm going off topic in reply to Laura below;
>
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 09:08:06AM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote:
> > I agree with you it should be clearly defined who in Sugar Labs is
> > responsible for Google's collections.
>
> Disagree.  The oversight board is responsible.  Jointly and severally;
> which means each board member is responsible, and the board as a whole
> is responsible.  As an organisation with no staff, the board is all
> there is.
>
> > Resources in Sugar Labs are limited and historically we had lost a
> > lot of opportunities because uncollected grant, please research on
> > Trip Advisor's case when lack of clear responsibility for collection
> > let to an unbelievable lack of collection of US$40.000 for
> > internationalization's projects.
> >
> > Responsibility isn't clear at this point.
>
> Disagree.  The oversight board is responsible.
>
> > About the Financial Manager role, it was created by the Board on
> > July's decisions last year, still they never appointed anyone for
> > the role.
>
> Agreed.
>
> Regardless of whether a Finance Manager is appointed, the board
> remains responsible.  The board can't shift that responsibility by
> appointing a Finance Manager.
>
> However, a Finance Manager can greatly help the board, so my
> recommendation is that the board appoint one as they had intended.
>
> > In the meanwhile, Adam has continue serving as the representative
> > for Sugar Labs with the Software Freedom Conservancy since last
> > period. Still, this role doesn't account for any financial
> > responsibility according to current [3] Governance.
> >
> > I'm sorry we still don't have a wiki page that would easily resolve
> > any financial question to the community. It is a tendency I'm hoping
> > to revert by proposing the Motion 2017-08-10: Sugar Labs Financial
> > Manager to have a monthly compensation.
>
> I'll reply to this on the other thread.
>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [Sugar-devel] URGENT action needed

[Samson Goddy]

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:

>
>
> 2017-08-11 8:54 GMT-05:00 Avni Khatri <a...@kidsoncomputers.org>:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 9:05 AM, Samuel Cantero <scante...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> mind-boggling indeed. SL has been in GSoC and GCI for years. I'm not a
>>> board member but +1 for sure.
>>>
>>>
>> +1
>>
>
>
> Hello Avni,
>
> I agree with you it should be clearly defined who in Sugar Labs is
> responsible for Google's collections.
>
> Resources in Sugar Labs are limited and historically we had lost a lot of
> opportunities because uncollected grant, please research on Trip Advisor's
> case when lack of clear responsibility for collection let to an
> unbelievable lack of collection of US$40.000 for internationalization's
> projects.
>
> Responsibility isn't clear at this point.
>
> About the Financial Manager role, it was created by the Board on July's
> decisions last year, still they never appointed anyone for the role.
>
> In the meanwhile, Adam has continue serving as the *representative for
> Sugar Labs* with the Software Freedom Conservancy since last period.
> Still, this role doesn't account for any financial responsibility according
> to current Governance
> <https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Governance>.
>
> I'm sorry we still don't have a wiki page that would easily resolve any
> financial question to the community. It is a tendency I'm hoping to revert
> by proposing the
>
> *Motion 2017-08-10: Sugar Labs Financial Manager to have a monthly
> compensation.*
>
First i see no reason for this decision, after the comments from walter's
and i quote.

"Google has been consistently paying us for almost 10 years. The fact that
we have not yet seen the $7000 from GCI is an SFC interface issue."

Sugar Labs not receiving $7k from GCI was a problem from SFC. This
discussion is unhealthy for this motion because it serves as a distraction.

SFC don't issue travel advance, but they are willing to do so based on this
comment.
"Unfortunately, We are waiting for someone from Sugar Labs to reply to
approve the expense.  I don't know why they haven't replied."

I have been asking for travel advance for over 8 days now, after i was
chosen to attend the mentor's summit in SFO. I feel this is a problem for
later and shouldn't be discuss now due to the reasons for getting a US B-2
visa.

I see you have given "-1" for reasons i think you feel is right or should
be pointed out which is fine. But i think SL Financial Manager while this
motion is still valid is absolutely wrong.

I want SL to have an Official Financial Manager but not with this
discussion.

Regards
Samson G

>
> Regards,
> Laura V
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Walter,
>>>>>
>>>>> -1 since there are still US$7.000 from last Google's programs we
>>>>> participated still uncollected and currently we have no way of assuring we
>>>>> will collect Google's funds this time.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Google has been consistently paying us for almost 10 years. The fact
>>>> that we have not yet seen the $7000 from GCI is an SFC interface issue.
>>>>
>>>> The fact that we are about to jeopardize Samson's opportunity to
>>>> represent SL at the GSoC summit is mind-boggling.
>>>>
>>>> -walter
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2017-08-10 15:44 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I presume we need a motion and a vote on this. Time is of the
>>>>>> essence, so please respond ASAP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Motion: Samson Goddy has been selected as a Sugar Labs representative
>>>>>> to the Google Summer of Code mentor summit. He has requested a travel
>>>>>> advance to cover the costs of his visa application. The advance, 
>>>>>> including
>>>>>> wire fees comes to $US 627.05. This motion is to approve the travel
>>>>>> advance. (As additional background, Google will be covering up to $2200 
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> travel ex

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion 2017-08-10: Sugar Labs Financial Manager to have a monthly compensation

[Samson Goddy]

I totally agree with walter with the point of simplicity. It is almost
impossible to get money from SFC and i believe if we want to agree on this
motion. It should be included as responsibility.

Ignacio had same experience, i am having the same issue now.

On Aug 10, 2017 1:53 PM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I disagree. While the quality of the reporting left much to be desired,
> the relative importance of this issue to our organization seems to be
> pretty minor. That said, if there was some assurance that a FM could
> somehow light a fire under the SFC regarding responsiveness to financial
> inquiries, e.g., Samson's request for a travel advance to procure his visa,
> then I would be all for it. But that seems to be a structural issue within
> the SFC, not within Sugar Labs.
>
> -walter
>
> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 8:36 AM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@sugarlabs.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah i totally agree...
>>
>> +1 Laura
>>
>>
>> regards
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi SLOB's and members all,
>>>
>>> I think we should learn from experience and start compensating doing all
>>> this work for Sugar Lab's Organization [keeping track of communications and
>>> transactions with the Software Freedom Conservancy].
>>>
>>>
>>> Motion: *Sugar Labs Financial Manager will have a monthly compensation
>>> of US$ TBD* in exchange for:
>>> 1 complete financial report per quarter and it's publication on the
>>> Sugar Labs Finance Wiki page maximum 30 calendar days after the end of the
>>> period. The format to be used should be compatible with the
>>> International Financial Reporting Standards* or it's equivalent in the
>>> U.S..
>>>
>>> *see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Financial_Report
>>> ing_Standards
>>>
>>>
>>> To approve the proposed motion simplifies the July, 2016 SLOB's
>>> motion/decision
>>> <https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions>,  assigns a
>>> monthly compensation for the Financial Manager and above all, *assures
>>> community has timely access to reports*.
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope another SLOB can second the motion in order to start voting.
>>> Suggestions to define the value are also welcome from all, specially from
>>> Adam :D
>>>
>>> Below I pasted some extracts from background emailing about the subject
>>> in case anyone interested in reading.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards and blessings,
>>>
>>> Laura V
>>>
>>>
>>> 2017-08-05 19:31 GMT-05:00 Caryl Bigenho <cbige...@hotmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> Hi All...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There was (and still seems to be) a lot of confusion regarding the
>>>> topic of a treasurer's report. I think the main problem is that most of you
>>>> are thinking of the SugarLabs "Books" (a big ledger will all the personal
>>>> identifying information Adam was referring to) instead of a simple
>>>> "Treasurers  Report" which just includes the pertinent information without
>>>> all the identifying details. The former, the "books," should be available
>>>> to the SLOBs on request on a view only basis as mentioned elsewhere in this
>>>> thread. The latter, the Treasurer's Report, should be available to all
>>>> Sugar Labs members and other interested parties as appropriate.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Maybe it is all the years I have spent in many types of organizations
>>>> (4H, Girl Scouts, homeowner's organizations, teacher's orgs, Sierra Club
>>>> groups, etc.) that make this seem very familiar, simple, and
>>>> straightforward. Hopefully the information below can help make it work well
>>>> for Sugar Labs as well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A quick Google search turns up this list of criteria for a simple
>>>> monthly treasurer's report. It says it should include:
>>>>
>>>>1. the name of the organization.
>>>>2. the period which the report covers.
>>>>3. the cash balance at the beginning of the period.
>>>>4. the income received during the period (with sources)
>>>>5. the expenses paid during the period (with what it was for and
>>>>who was paid ... name only, no PII).
>>>>

Re: [IAEP] Motion 2017-08-10: Sugar Labs Financial Manager to have a monthly compensation

[Samson Goddy]

Yeah i totally agree...

+1 Laura


regards

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Laura Vargas  wrote:

>
> Hi SLOB's and members all,
>
> I think we should learn from experience and start compensating doing all
> this work for Sugar Lab's Organization [keeping track of communications and
> transactions with the Software Freedom Conservancy].
>
>
> Motion: *Sugar Labs Financial Manager will have a monthly compensation of
> US$ TBD* in exchange for:
> 1 complete financial report per quarter and it's publication on the Sugar
> Labs Finance Wiki page maximum 30 calendar days after the end of the
> period. The format to be used should be compatible with the International
> Financial Reporting Standards* or it's equivalent in the U.S..
>
> *see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Financial_
> Reporting_Standards
>
>
> To approve the proposed motion simplifies the July, 2016 SLOB's
> motion/decision ,
> assigns a monthly compensation for the Financial Manager and above all, 
> *assures
> community has timely access to reports*.
>
>
> I hope another SLOB can second the motion in order to start voting.
> Suggestions to define the value are also welcome from all, specially from
> Adam :D
>
> Below I pasted some extracts from background emailing about the subject in
> case anyone interested in reading.
>
>
> Regards and blessings,
>
> Laura V
>
>
> 2017-08-05 19:31 GMT-05:00 Caryl Bigenho :
>
>> Hi All...
>>
>>
>> There was (and still seems to be) a lot of confusion regarding the topic
>> of a treasurer's report. I think the main problem is that most of you are
>> thinking of the SugarLabs "Books" (a big ledger will all the personal
>> identifying information Adam was referring to) instead of a simple
>> "Treasurers  Report" which just includes the pertinent information without
>> all the identifying details. The former, the "books," should be available
>> to the SLOBs on request on a view only basis as mentioned elsewhere in this
>> thread. The latter, the Treasurer's Report, should be available to all
>> Sugar Labs members and other interested parties as appropriate.
>>
>>
>> Maybe it is all the years I have spent in many types of organizations
>> (4H, Girl Scouts, homeowner's organizations, teacher's orgs, Sierra Club
>> groups, etc.) that make this seem very familiar, simple, and
>> straightforward. Hopefully the information below can help make it work well
>> for Sugar Labs as well.
>>
>>
>> A quick Google search turns up this list of criteria for a simple monthly
>> treasurer's report. It says it should include:
>>
>>1. the name of the organization.
>>2. the period which the report covers.
>>3. the cash balance at the beginning of the period.
>>4. the income received during the period (with sources)
>>5. the expenses paid during the period (with what it was for and who
>>was paid ... name only, no PII).
>>6. the cash balance at the end of the period.
>>7. the signature of the treasurer.
>>
>> Another easy to follow resource is this description of how to put such a
>> report together: https://www.energizeinc.com/art/treasurers-report
>>
>> (Note: the sample they refer to in this is missing... you have to buy the
>> book to see it!).
>>
>>
>> Yesterday's financial report was very confusing and seeing Adam's email
>> just seemed to make it worse. Maybe going forward we can simplify and we
>> all will know what is happening. Oh, and by the way, there is no need to
>> make the Income negative and the Expenses positive. This is for us, not the
>> SFC.
>>
>>
>> Caryl
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Anderson 
>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 5, 2017 1:07:55 AM
>> *To:* SLOBs; IAEP SugarLabs
>> *Subject:* [IAEP] Meeting August 4, 2017
>>
>>
>> I am amazed at the discussion on finance.
>>
>> The governing bylaw is at https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/
>> Oversight_Board/Decisions July 1, 2016.
>> Oversight Board/Decisions - Sugar Labs
>> 
>> wiki.sugarlabs.org
>> This page (largely complete) is intended to be a one-stop place for
>> reviewing all of the Sugar Labs oversight board (SLOB) actions and
>> decisions.
>>
>> Our Finance Manager is Adam Holt. He must authorize every petty cash
>> transaction (<$200) and the board must approve all other transactions.
>>
>> I am sure that in a given quarter, the number of approved transactions is
>> less than a dozen.
>>
>> The quarterly report is the starting balance, transactions reporting
>> receipts, transactions reporting expenses, and an ending balance.
>>
>> I suspect all of this could be could be recorded on fewer than a dozen 80
>> column punched cards. (About 10-6 GB).
>>
>> Tony
>>
>
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Re: [IAEP] Today's meeting topic: Financial report first quarter 2017 by mail

[Samson Goddy]

+1 James, my thought exactly about sharing the URL to any mailing list. It
should be on demand!!

Just a thought.

On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 12:53 AM, James Cameron  wrote:

> G'day Adam,
>
> I've a degree in business, which included accounting, and have
> recently completed extra training on governance, so I'll comment on
> what I've seen; in context below;
>
> On Fri, Aug 04, 2017 at 05:03:06PM -0400, Adam Holt wrote:
> > 1) Detailed Sugar Labs financial info is provided for the entirety
> > of 2016 and 2017-to-date below.
>
> Interesting, thanks.  I've no issues with the numbers or transactions.
>
> > The entirety of Sugar Labs financial info is almost 1/3 of gigabyte
> > as checked out from SFC,
>
> Quite a small data set, at only 333 MB.
>
> > so more details can be obtained later this year should finer details
> > be truly necessary, with a finer-toothed comb,
>
> Looking through the meeting minutes, you probably don't need to worry
> so much about this; the board members are entitled to full access to
> the data, read-only, and are obliged to keep the data as secure as
> posssible.
>
> Yes, it will include private identifiable information (PII) of Sugar
> Labs members or other participants.  In dealing with Sugar Labs,
> people expect the board may see this PII.
>
> Not every board member will access the data, or have the knowledge to
> decode and understand the data.  But they are entitled to it.
>
> Here's what I suggest;
>
> Don't make it available by posting a URL to any mailing list, not even
> slobs@, but instead send it privately to board members who request it,
> and include a way for board members to confirm they have the same copy
> of the file as other board members.  e.g. with a digital signature or
> md5sum that you post on the slobs@ mailing list.
>
> > to de-identify personal home address and very personal account
> > numbers therein, which make everyone vulnerable to identify theft.
>
> No, that is not necessary; as long as the board members know the data
> must be kept confidential to the board.
>
> > Until then, this below provides a very detailed picture of all funds
> > received and spent over the past 19 months.
>
> This and your follow-up messages on this thread could be pulled
> together into a single report to the board rather than a series of
> messages.  It would make your intent clearer.
>
> A report to community may be different to a report to the board,
> containing less identifying information.
>
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[IAEP] Scratch 3.0 on Sugar

[Samson Goddy]

Hello Guys,

As most of you know, i was suppose to be present in bordeaux for the
scratch conference, but that didn't work because i wasn't granted the visa.

Today at the Opening the Scratch team in MIT was giving a presentation
about the scratch 3.0 and it's capabilities. One of the organizers of the
event asked the team on my behalf about getting scratch into Sugar. Based
on their reply they are willing to collaborate with Sugar Labs on getting
the new scratch into Sugar.


See video..

https://youtu.be/w3WZbLYX0yg?t=3583

Samson Goddy
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Re: [IAEP] Fwd: [Localization] Localization Digest, Vol 109, Issue 1

[Samson Goddy]

He is not a member of Sugar Labs. Maybe he misinterpreted the email. He is
not eligible to become a member, no past or present contributions.

He will have to contribute to a project to become a member.


Samson G

On Jul 10, 2017 12:10 AM, "Chris Leonard" <cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com> wrote:

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> >1. Fwd: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Member's List June 2017: 140   verified
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> > To: OLPC Localization list <localizat...@lists.laptop.org>
> > Subject: [Localization] Fwd: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Member's List June
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> > Date: Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 2:20 AM
> > Subject: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Member's List June 2017: 140 verified members
> > To: iaep <iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org>
> >
> >
> > Hello all, hola a todos!
> >
> > I'm happy to report  that after second round of emails verification
> (Thank
> > you Ignacio!), emails corrections and addition of new members (Welcome
> > Hilary!), we have a current total 140 members:
> >
> > 1 Aaron Borden
> > 2 Adam Holt
> > 3 Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn
> > 4 Alejandro Gonzalez Barrera
> > 5 Alexander Dupuy
> > 6 Alfonso de la Guarda
> > 7 Ana Cichero Mildwurf
> > 8 Andreas Gros
> > 9 Andres Aguirre
> > 10 Andrés Ambrois
> > 11 Aneesh Dogra
> > 12 Anish Mangal
> > 13 Anne Gentle
> > 14 Antonio Carlos
> > 15 Anurag Goel
> > 16 Asaf Paris Mandoki
> > 17 Avni Khatri
> > 18 Benjamin Berg
> > 19 Benjamin Mako Hill
> > 20 Bernie Innocenti
> > 21 Bert Freudenberg
> > 22 Bill Bogstad
> > 23 Bob Stepno
> > 24 Carla Gomez Monroy
> > 25 Carol Lerche
> > 26 Carol Ruth Silver
> > 27 Caryl Bigenho
> > 28 Chris Ball
> > 29 Chris Leonard
> > 30 Christoph Derndorfer
> > 31 Claudia Urrea
> > 32 Cristian Paul Peñaranda Rojas
> > 33 Daksh Shah
> > 34 Dan Williams
> > 35 Dan Winship
> > 36 Daniel Castelo
> > 37 David Van Assche
> > 38 David Wallace
> > 39 Edward Cherlin
> > 40 Eli Heuer
> > 41 Enrique Mayorga González
> > 42 Erik Blankinship
> > 43 Frederick Grose
> > 44 Gary Martin
> > 45 George Hunt
> > 46 Gerald Ardito
> > 47 Greg DeKoenigsberg
> > 48 Greg Smith
> > 49 Guillaume Desmottes
> > 50 Harriet Vidyasagar
> > 51 Henry Hardy
> > 52 Henry Holtzman
> > 53 Hernan Pachas
> > 54 Hilary Naylor
> > 55 I. T. Daniher
> > 56 Iain Davidson
> > 57 Ian Bicking
> > 58 Ibiam Chihurumnaya
> > 59 Ifeanyi Mattew
> > 60 Ignacio Rodríguez
> > 61 Irma Couretot
> > 62 James F. Carroll
> > 63 James Simmons
> > 64 Jean Piché
> > 65 Jecel Assumpcao
> > 66 Jhan Carlo Perez Ramirez
> > 67 Jim Gettys
> > 68 John Watlington
> > 69 Jose Antonio Rocha
> > 70 Jose Miguel Garcia
> > 71 Juan Camilo Lema
> > 72 June Kleider
> > 73 Kaif Khan
> > 74 Kevin Cole
> > 75 Kim Rose
> > 76 Laura Victoria Vargas
> > 77 Lionel Laske
> > 78 Luis Patricio Acevedo Jimenez
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Re: [IAEP] Voting systems

[Samson Goddy]

I am very sorry, i lost track of time. But i will catch up with the log.

Samson

On Jul 7, 2017 10:54 PM, "Sameer Verma"  wrote:

> As per our meeting today, here's a short list of voting systems from
> other projects. Note that in all cases in this list, the voting
> mechanism (as implemented in software) is primarily driven by
> governance policies:
>
> Apache governance: https://www.apache.org/foundation/governance/
> Apache board election: https://wiki.apache.org/general/BoardVoting
>
> Openstack governance: https://governance.openstack.org/
> Openstack board election:
> https://governance.openstack.org/election/#election-system
>
> Drupal governance: https://www.drupal.org/governance
> Drupal board election:
> https://www.drupal.org/association/blog/its-time-to-
> vote-community-elections
>
> Also note that voting on motions as proposed by SLOB members is a
> different use case than voting on SLOB candidacies, even if the
> software used to implement the process is the same.
>
> Here are some related systems that are used for voting.
>
> Concordet Voting: http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/
> Helios: https://heliosvoting.org/
> E-Vote: https://github.com/mdipierro/evote
> OpaVote: https://www.opavote.com/
>
> cheers,
> Sameer
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo

[Samson Goddy]

On Jun 14, 2017 11:54 PM, "James Cameron"  wrote:

I've marked Kunfu as available in activities.sugarlabs.org, after Ben
Olding confirmed he is author of Legend of the Dragon Fist and gave a
license;

"you may use the file, unmodified for free as you see fit as long as
you are not directly selling it. i.e. bundling it on a laptop is fine,
wrapping the game and selling as an app for $5 on the app store is
not."

http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4759/

Samson, when you get time, please update the bundle to correctly
attribute author and license, thanks.

Sure i will look at it this week. I am working on my visa application in
lagos.

Thanks for the research.


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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo

[Samson Goddy]

On Jun 12, 2017 1:33 PM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez <nachoe...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Sorry I did not reply before.
>
> It's a yes (+1) for me.
> Let's hope everyone votes now!
>

Yes!  This motion will pass (4 out of 7 votes is the bare minimum) with a
big thanks to all for staying engaged in support of Sugar Labs, until all
votes are counted, such that all sincerely held perspectives are respected,
one way or another!

Have a great trip Samson and let's hope the French govt cooperates in
understanding free/open learning from a truly global perspective~

Thanks, i am hoping too.


*PS plz let us know your favorite non-Facebook channels if poss, in
addition to your outreach work on FB?*

I will create a blog, then post on wiki if that will help.




Thanks,
> Ignacio
>
> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 9:16 AM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 8:07 AM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> To those members who haven't voted.. could you please come and vote.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks you Ignacio, Lionel & Laura if you can please vote Yes or No
>> immediately !!
>>
>> PS i (presume) this motion expires 3:28 PM NYC Time today, in 7+ hours
>> from now, i.e. exactly 1 week after it was seconded and voting began.
>>
>>
>>> It is very disappointing that this motion is still pending. I am to
>>> travel to lagos tomorrow and i really need to know what will happen to the
>>> motion.
>>>
>>> Samson G
>>>
>>> On Jun 9, 2017 11:30 AM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jun 7, 2017 7:59 AM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Lionel, Sameer, Laura & Ignacio,
>>>>
>>>> Can you please try to vote yes or no
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Or please formally abstain, but do vote your opinion please!
>>>>
>>>> (As you we're elected to do, setting a tone for forward action — in
>>>> whatever direction your conscience takes you — Thanks All!)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> today
>>>>
>>>> as Samson would need to fly to Lagos immediately this wkd (or Monday
>>>> latest, to get everything in motion) so does need to know what's happening
>>>> ASAP as the wkd approaches, *Thanks All for your consideration!*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 5, 2017 3:28 PM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will take sole responsibility for the lost and if it happen, i
>>>>>>> didn't get the visa.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My apologies I misunderstood earlier, among the many emails.  That
>>>>>> makes things very clear, thank you Samson.  Be it then resolved:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "To support Samson Goddy's attending 2017 Scratch conference in
>>>>>> Bordeaux, France (19-21 July 2017) to strengthen our relationship with
>>>>>> Scratch, Sugar Labs should allocate up to $500 in support of his 
>>>>>> obtaining
>>>>>> a French visa, including (as nec) travel from Port Harcourt to Lagos for 
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> many days as required.  Any receipts to this end, Samson will submit to 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Software Freedom Conservancy.  It is understood that if the French
>>>>>> government very unfortunately turns down his visa application, preventing
>>>>>> him from attending Bordeaux, these lost funds will be borne by Samson
>>>>>> Goddy."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance to any board members who can second this motion,
>>>>>> thereby helping Samson/Scratch/Sugar move forward!
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>> While I think it is unconscionable for Sugar Labs not to shoulder the
>>>>> responsibility of the visa on behalf of one of our members, I will
>>>>> nonetheless second the motion, bad precedent and all, as it seems to be 
>>>>> the
>>>>> only way to get unstuck.
>>>>>
>>>>> -walter
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] MOTION to budget professional services for a Yoruba-Igbo XO build WAS [Re: Yoruba localization contract completed

[Samson Goddy]

But is it okay if we have both build for Sugar on Stick and XO? Laura?

Samson G

On Jun 13, 2017 3:06 PM, "Chris Leonard"  wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 9:02 AM, David Ally  wrote:
> > Dear All,
> > I  once requested for the handle on these Nigerian translations and was
> told
> > it was not yet in the main build, so I guess this is the main obstacle in
> > the way of learners accessing the contents, it is important if we can
> have
> > those two translations all possible publicly available builds, so that
> > people like us can make case for their use in many fora in Nigeria.
> >
> > I support any effort in this direction. +1
> >
> > Regards!
> > David
>
>
> Our current holdings in Nigerian localization can be found on our Pootle
> server.
>
> Yoruba
> https://translate.sugarlabs.org/yo/
>
> Igbo
> https://translate.sugarlabs.org/ibo/
>
> The vast majority of these translations have been committed to their
> respective Github repos,  to the extent that new versions of those
> activities have been released since those commits, the translations
> are now present in ASLO.
>
> The core UI strings (sugar, sugar-toolkit-gtk3, OLPC_switch_laptop)
> have also been committed, but to get them visible to users a new build
> will be required.  That would either be a new SOAS build or possibly a
> custom build as proposed by Laura.
>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [Sugar-devel] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo

[Samson Goddy]

On Jun 13, 2017 8:19 PM, "Sebastian Silva" <sebast...@fuentelibre.org>
wrote:



On 13/06/17 13:53, Samson Goddy wrote:


This was a project i did in 2014.. Because kids using the xo laptops were
actually playing those mentioned games online. I had to port them as a
activity for sugar. I didn't write or own the swf. It is free, there are
versions for those in Android which are free also.


Clearly you don't understand what Free Software means and so I don't think
you are fit to represent Sugar Labs, in an event or otherwise. Just my
opinion.

I have been in conferences in some part of Nigeria. Before i say things
about Sugar Labs i always ask people behind it for guidances. Walter has
always helped me to shape my talks. Same goes to other people in the
community.

Also my trip to Europe in July, i have been asking questions too. Because
that what learning is.



So if you think it is against Sugar Labs culture, i recommend you take it
down yourself.


It's not against our culture, but our rules
<http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Library/Editors/Policy#Reasons_for_removing>.
As the breacher of these rules, it would be good if you realized your
mistake and fixed it. Otherwise, others will have to fix it for you.

I believe in learning, i am going to fix it as you stated. I am still new
to all these especially in Africa where they don't practice free
softwares(MS windows domain).

I see these as a challenge that needs fixing. Back in 2014 i didn't really
know how things work. Compare to now, so i am going to see a way to open
the source code for the swf file. If i don't succeed, i will take both
activities down.

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [Sugar-devel] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo

[Samson Goddy]

On Jun 13, 2017 7:12 PM, "Sebastian Silva" <sebast...@fuentelibre.org>
wrote:



On 13/06/17 12:50, Samson Goddy wrote:

Your mentioning Facebook, iPhone, Windows, Flash, LinkedIn etc, do not fit
with this agreement, so we would sincerely appreciate if you do not promote
these entities while representing Sugar Labs.

Could you explain more, because i dont understand. And also how did you
think i might breach the agreement?


While your promoting these entities does not breach the wording of the
agreement, I believe it goes against the spirit of it. Please review
information on GNU.org such as the following articles, to understand why
such technologies are distributed in bad faith.

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/keep-control-of-your-computing.html
https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/proprietary-surveillance.html
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html

I still don't understand what you are trying to say. I believe almost
everyone in this community uses Facebook, has LinkedIn account. For the US
people they should have iphones. I barely use windows, maybe when i want to
play fifa or go to the cyber house for internet.

Are you trying to say that i should, throw away my iphone, probably the
macbook i use. Close down my facebook account and possible my LinkedIn too?
And stop playing online games because they are flash?

Is that what you are trying to say?

I read the documentations.. i don't see how i breached those rules. Because
before i came into the community Sugar Labs was already on Facebook,
LinkedIn and Sugarizer was kinda available for Iphone and windows?

Please kind you note where and how i breached those rules?. Why are these
questions targeted to me only? Why i see people and under softwares
understand SFC are using facebook anf LinkedIn to promote their content.

I will be waiting for your replies, because i like learning what i don't
know.



On the other hand, these Sugar Activities (by you) don't have proper
sources available. This actually is a breach of the agreement, and they
should have been removed:

http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4759
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4758

In accordance to the license file on those .xo bundles, I request that you
share the source for the .swf Flash components embedded if you wrote them,
otherwise please make sure they are removed from ASLO.


This was a project i did in 2014.. Because kids using the xo laptops were
actually playing those mentioned games online. I had to port them as a
activity for sugar. I didn't write or own the swf. It is free, there are
versions for those in Android which are free also. So if you think it is
against Sugar Labs culture, i recommend you take it down yourself.

I don't want any arguments.


Regards,
Sebastian


Regards

Samson
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] MOTION to budget professional services for a Yoruba-Igbo XO build WAS [Re: Yoruba localization contract completed

[Samson Goddy]

On Jun 13, 2017 1:58 AM, "Laura Vargas" <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:

Samson,

It is so sad that you have decided not to second the motion to support an
XO build that includes the Yoruba and Igbo translations.

After US$ 4,000, almost a year that translations were completed, and an
extensive list of voluntary hours invested from many members of the
community, such translations have reached 0 learners! please explain openly.

First, there was a motion. So we can't attend to both. One has to go first.

I second the motion. I have been working on getting the translations to the
learners. But if we are to do this.. we should also focus on Sugar on Stick
too.


I hope this is not the story you plan to share with other communities as it
will make SL community sound like a group of crazy people.

I don't understand this statement, but if it is possible i would like to
work with you to make this possible. We can come up with a better plan to
market this build.

I and walter are already working on workshops in nigeria. So it is okay by
me.

I second the motion.




Regards


Laura V

Thanks Laura.



2017-06-06 15:05 GMT-05:00 Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org>:

>
> Samson,
>
> It is nice to hear there is interest in the build directly from Nigeria :D
>
> I don't think there is any conflict of interest for you to second this
> motion so we can start defining the work to be done.
>
>
> Regards and blessings
>
> laura v
>
>
> 2017-06-05 8:40 GMT-05:00 David Ally <david_a...@yahoo.com>:
>
>> Dear Samson,
>> Yes, I am a Nigerian, I grew up in Lagos and had all my schooling in
>> Lagos, Primary, Secondary, Polytechnic and University in Lagos.
>>
>> I left Lagos in 1993, and now based in Abuja.
>>
>> I have a gmail account dade.a...@gmail.com, we can link up on Hangout.
>> It will be nice to talk about the proposed Sugar in Nigeria.
>>
>> Regards!
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, June 3, 2017, 5:33:44 PM GMT+1, Samson Goddy <
>> samsongo...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Are you a Nigerian?
>>
>> Me too, this is going to be my third time coming to lagos. I have been
>> living in Port Harcourt, how did you propose we discuss? i am mostly
>> available via Google Hangout? i and walter are planning workshop around
>> Sugar in Nigeria soon. Maybe you can be of help too then we will talk about
>> other things.
>>
>> Samson
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 5:17 PM, David Ally <david_a...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> I am based in Abuja, I hardly come around to Lagos, even though I grew up
>> in Lagos. I plan to visit Lagos State University this month to meet with
>> the President of Linguistic Association of Nigeria, I am not sure if I can
>> plan the trip to coincide with your presence in Lagos, either way let's
>> share some thought on this translation project please.
>>
>> I should be in the US in July for about 3weeks, if there is any important
>> event relating to this I could find time to attend.
>>
>> Regards!
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, June 3, 2017, 5:05:44 PM GMT+1, Chris Leonard <
>> cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> > So, I propose the following Motion:
>> >> >
>> >> > SL will allocate a budget of US$TBD for "professional services"
>> required
>> >> > to
>> >> > create a fitable image for Samson's and Ibiam's young XO partners in
>> >> > Africa.
>> >> > SL will make an open call to the mailing list to find one or more
>> >> > professional to do it.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Hope we can start using SL money to actually outreach Sugar learners!
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> The PO files have been committed to the relevant repos and as new
>> >> Activity releases have been made (thanks Quozl for your recent
>> >> Fructose push) they have been made available via ASLO.  It is true
>> >> that a build of the core UI strings would be needed, but I thought
>> >> that might come via a new SOAS release.
>> >>
>> >> Are you proposing a custom build for Nigeria?
>> >
>> >
>> > Yes.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> If so, I would request that OLPC switch desktop PO file for Igbo be
>> >> completed before such an attempt was made.
>> >
>> >
>> > I understa

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [Sugar-devel] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo

[Samson Goddy]

To those members who haven't voted.. could you please come and vote. It is
very disappointing that this motion is still pending. I am to travel to
lagos tomorrow and i really need to know what will happen to the motion.

Samson G

On Jun 9, 2017 11:30 AM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:

> On Jun 7, 2017 7:59 AM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>
> Lionel, Sameer, Laura & Ignacio,
>
> Can you please try to vote yes or no
>
>
> Or please formally abstain, but do vote your opinion please!
>
> (As you we're elected to do, setting a tone for forward action — in
> whatever direction your conscience takes you — Thanks All!)
>
>
> today
>
> as Samson would need to fly to Lagos immediately this wkd (or Monday
> latest, to get everything in motion) so does need to know what's happening
> ASAP as the wkd approaches, *Thanks All for your consideration!*
>
>
> On Jun 5, 2017 3:28 PM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I will take sole responsibility for the lost and if it happen, i didn't
>>>> get the visa.
>>>>
>>>
>>> My apologies I misunderstood earlier, among the many emails.  That makes
>>> things very clear, thank you Samson.  Be it then resolved:
>>>
>>> "To support Samson Goddy's attending 2017 Scratch conference in
>>> Bordeaux, France (19-21 July 2017) to strengthen our relationship with
>>> Scratch, Sugar Labs should allocate up to $500 in support of his obtaining
>>> a French visa, including (as nec) travel from Port Harcourt to Lagos for as
>>> many days as required.  Any receipts to this end, Samson will submit to the
>>> Software Freedom Conservancy.  It is understood that if the French
>>> government very unfortunately turns down his visa application, preventing
>>> him from attending Bordeaux, these lost funds will be borne by Samson
>>> Goddy."
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance to any board members who can second this motion,
>>> thereby helping Samson/Scratch/Sugar move forward!
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>> While I think it is unconscionable for Sugar Labs not to shoulder the
>> responsibility of the visa on behalf of one of our members, I will
>> nonetheless second the motion, bad precedent and all, as it seems to be the
>> only way to get unstuck.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>> --
>> Walter Bender
>> Sugar Labs
>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>> <http://www.sugarlabs.org>
>>
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Re: [IAEP] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo

[Samson Goddy]

I will take sole responsibility for the lost and if it happen, i didn't get
the visa.

What are the "XXX" for?

On Jun 4, 2017 12:58 PM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:

Please all who can support this motion, thank you for doing so, once [XXX]
is clarified below:

"To support Samson Goddy's attending 2017 Scratch conference in Bordeaux,
France (19-21 July 2017) to strengthen our relationship with Scratch, Sugar
Labs should allocate up to $500 in support of his obtaining a French visa,
including (as nec) travel from Port Harcourt to Lagos for as many days as
required.  Any receipts to this end, Samson will submit to the Software
Freedom Conservancy.  It is understood that if the French government very
unfortunately turns down his visa application, preventing him from
attending Bordeaux, these lost funds will be borne by [XXX]."

Where [XXX] could be Scratch, Sugar Labs, or Samson Goddy -- accountants
don't like financial mystery meat, for very good reason ;)

Regards


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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] SLOB motion

[Samson Goddy]

Hello all,

It is more than 24hrs since walter requested this motion should be
seconded, so that voting can begin.
Sorry for thinking this way, but is it that the community don't want to
support the Bordeaux trip at all?

This is the second time i am making a proposal. First, was for me and Ibiam
which our sole purpose was to travel together to represent Sugarlabs and
possible connect to sponsors for future SL workshops in Nigeria. That was
declined because some people feel we are traveling first class trip.

Is this how SL tend to grow further by not supporting members for outreach
programs? Please bare in mind i am just 17, i don't have a steady stream of
money or income as most of you do. This community became my responsibility
ever since i became part of the board members. Of course SL money should be
use to promote Sugar which i think this proposal is doing.

I want to simply know if i will have some support from the community while
trying to promote Sugar in Bordeaux. Please bare in mind, a community can
never grow if we cannot have a good marketing strategy. it is not all about
maintaining our project but by promoting it.


On Jun 3, 2017 1:37 PM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Please excuse the top post.
>
> I'd like to bring some clarity to the discussion of this motion. As most
> of you know, Sugar Labs is a member project of the Software Freedom
> Conservancy. The Conservancy has well-established guidelines for travel,
> and the travel plans in the proposal accompanying the motion are well
> within these guidelines. So while I appreciate Adam's help in reducing the
> costs of Samson's trip, I think those efforts are a distraction from the
> motion itself, which, at its essence is a proposal to attend the Scratch
> conference as an invited speaker on behalf of Sugar Labs. I have confidence
> that with Adam's help, the costs may well be less than the < US$800 stated
> in the motion, but what about the motion? Is there someone who will second
> it so we can vote?
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 1, 2017 1:28 PM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 7:14 AM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This would set a terrible precedent for Sugar Labs to pay $800 for a
>>> visa alone.
>>>
>>> Flight and other things connected.
>>>
>>>
>> All for the sake of 1 visa alone, let's hope it happens (sorry you're
>> flying instead of taking the new train from Port Harcourt to Lagos isn't
>> ready yet...)
>>
>> Strange that my parents spent an important part of their lives teaching
>>>  in Nigeria and I happen to know more about modern Lagos (where Samson
>>> would apply for his French govt visa) than a steady stream of hyperbolic
>>> claims have insinuated.
>>>
>>>
>>> I am a Nigerian, you are not.
>>>
>>>
>> Luckily they charge the same price regardless our ethnicity here at this
>> $~19/night room in good proximity to the French Embassy in Lagos: (Lekki,
>> by Lagos Island, I know it well)
>>
>>http://airbnb.com/rooms/13639701
>>
>> Air/conditioning, Internet, Amenities etc...I don't spend this much
>> myself but there are in fact options in every price range.
>>
>> Staying a  standard hotel, is and always be the best option for me. I am
>> not an adult yet technically, the street in Lagos is not meant for people
>> like me.
>>
>> Meaning i can't use this service, only hotels. My parents wouldn't even
>> let me try it.
>>
>> It may sound crazy but that how it is.
>>
>>
>> Things are crazy expensive in Nigeria.
>>>
>>>
>> Nigeria has a truly great sense of humor and Nigerians are more
>> resourceful than most imagine.
>>
>> Yeah we all are, but the government isn't.
>>
>>
>> As such I will continue to vote My Conscience -- *AGAINST THIS MOTION
>>> with respect for all and malice toward none* -- up until the point
>>> where:
>>>
>>> 1) The total is reduced to $500 (receipts provided per SFConservancy
>>> policies).
>>>
>>> If $800 can't be given to me, i am okay with  $500-600. Just that it
>>> will make me use lot of my savings i have been keeping for my internet
>>> plan. Half is better than none.
>>>
>>>
>> Thanks much Samson for being understanding and honoring all who wish they
>> had this opportunity!
>>
>>
>>> 2) It is clarified

Re: [IAEP] MOTION to budget professional services for a Yoruba-Igbo XO build WAS [Re: Yoruba localization contract completed

[Samson Goddy]

Are you a Nigerian?

Me too, this is going to be my third time coming to lagos. I have been
living in Port Harcourt, how did you propose we discuss? i am mostly
available via Google Hangout? i and walter are planning workshop around
Sugar in Nigeria soon. Maybe you can be of help too then we will talk about
other things.

Samson

On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 5:17 PM, David Ally  wrote:

> I am based in Abuja, I hardly come around to Lagos, even though I grew up
> in Lagos. I plan to visit Lagos State University this month to meet with
> the President of Linguistic Association of Nigeria, I am not sure if I can
> plan the trip to coincide with your presence in Lagos, either way let's
> share some thought on this translation project please.
>
> I should be in the US in July for about 3weeks, if there is any important
> event relating to this I could find time to attend.
>
> Regards!
> David
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, June 3, 2017, 5:05:44 PM GMT+1, Chris Leonard <
> cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Laura Vargas 
> wrote:
>
> >> > So, I propose the following Motion:
> >> >
> >> > SL will allocate a budget of US$TBD for "professional services"
> required
> >> > to
> >> > create a fitable image for Samson's and Ibiam's young XO partners in
> >> > Africa.
> >> > SL will make an open call to the mailing list to find one or more
> >> > professional to do it.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hope we can start using SL money to actually outreach Sugar learners!
> >> >
> >>
> >> The PO files have been committed to the relevant repos and as new
> >> Activity releases have been made (thanks Quozl for your recent
> >> Fructose push) they have been made available via ASLO.  It is true
> >> that a build of the core UI strings would be needed, but I thought
> >> that might come via a new SOAS release.
> >>
> >> Are you proposing a custom build for Nigeria?
> >
> >
> > Yes.
> >>
> >>
> >> If so, I would request that OLPC switch desktop PO file for Igbo be
> >> completed before such an attempt was made.
> >
> >
> > I understand there would be technical and academic considerations in
> order
> > to detail the work to be done. I hope you can guide the execution from
> the
> > translation's POV.
> >
>
> Of course, I would welcome the opportunity to assist.
>
> > The objective of the motion is to define if it is worth to rescue all the
> > work and investment (community's time and money) done last year by Sugar
> > Labs on Samson's and Ibiam's line of work.
>
> A funded project for a single-purpose build would not be as valuable
> as adding a component to it that included improving documentation (and
> possibly toolchain) of the custom-build process in such a way that it
> is more easily repeated by others.  That way it is an investment in a
> repeatable process, not a single product.  Just a thought.
>
>
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] SLOB motion

[Samson Goddy]

Okay, i heard you.

I think me replying to some statements will create more discussion, so i
wouldn't.

Could it be seconded, as walter suggested so that it could be voted upon?



SG


On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:

> If board members cannot feed themselves in their own country, and
> additionally Sugar Labs is being asked to create my-favorite-hotel in
> my-favorite-neighborhood welfare handouts for its own board members in
> their own countries, we have a far deeper long-term problem on our hands
> here, that will unfortunately but certainly not be resolved before June
> 11/12.
>
> Be It Resolved: we now need to move on.
>
>
> On Jun 3, 2017 9:39 AM, "Samson Goddy" <samsongo...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>
>> On Jun 3, 2017 8:37 AM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Please excuse the top post.
>>
>> I'd like to bring some clarity to the discussion of this motion. As most
>> of you know, Sugar Labs is a member project of the Software Freedom
>> Conservancy. The Conservancy has well-established guidelines for travel,
>> and the travel plans in the proposal accompanying the motion are well
>> within these guidelines. So while I appreciate Adam's help in reducing the
>> costs of Samson's trip, I think those efforts are a distraction from the
>> motion itself, which, at its essence is a proposal to attend the Scratch
>> conference as an invited speaker on behalf of Sugar Labs. I have confidence
>> that with Adam's help, the costs may well be less than the < US$800
>> stated in the motion, but what about the motion? Is there someone who will
>> second it so we can vote?
>>
>>
>> Humbly Disagree.
>>
>> The motion needs to be rewritten specifically so that Samson can:
>>
>> (1) Move forward with applying for his French visa w/o delay.
>>
> I am to visit Lagos by 12th of june to begin my visa process.
>
>>
>> (2) Obtain up to $500 to that specific end.
>>
> $600(195,000 naira) will be helpful judging by the current exchange rate,
> compare to $500.
>
> My request was 260,000 naira, getting up to 195,000 would be nice.
>
>
> But one question Adam, what if i get the visa and spend higher than what
> was proposed due to the naira gaining rate towards the dollar, supposedly
> what was approved was $600(195,000 naira as of today exchange rate)?
>
> Shouldn't we agree on using the Naira as the currency here, since it is
> going to be reimbursement? Because it might happen that tomorrow, if the
> approved money is $600(195,000) went back to $1 = 170 naira. Right now the
> rate is $1 = 325 naira. So the $600 might turn up useless if this happens.
>
>
> When you told me you came to Nigeria, i believe the rate was $1 = 190
> naira, that was why things was cheap in Nigeria compare 2017 $1 = 325
> naira.
>
>
> So this should be consider when trying to lower the money from $800 to any
> amount. Because i mentioned the amount i need in naira which was 260,000 i
> didn't care about the dollars or euro because it might be $400 or even $300
> if the economy turn worst.
>
> So 260,000 Nigerian naira is the total amount of my motion as of today.
>
>
> On financial matters especially — it's important that we build trust, and
>> avoid appearances of board members sending financial favors to each other — 
>> *by
>> saying-what-we-mean and meaning-what-we-say.*
>>
>
> But could this be voted on, as walter suggested?
>
>>
>>
>> Respecting All,
>>
>> Adam
>>
>
> BR
>
> Samson
>
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 1, 2017 1:28 PM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 7:14 AM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This would set a terrible precedent for Sugar Labs to pay $800 for a
>>>> visa alone.
>>>>
>>>> Flight and other things connected.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> All for the sake of 1 visa alone, let's hope it happens (sorry you're
>>> flying instead of taking the new train from Port Harcourt to Lagos isn't
>>> ready yet...)
>>>
>>> Strange that my parents spent an important part of their lives teaching
>>>>  in Nigeria and I happen to know more about modern Lagos (where Samson
>>

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] SLOB motion

[Samson Goddy]

On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:

> On Jun 3, 2017 8:37 AM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Please excuse the top post.
>
> I'd like to bring some clarity to the discussion of this motion. As most
> of you know, Sugar Labs is a member project of the Software Freedom
> Conservancy. The Conservancy has well-established guidelines for travel,
> and the travel plans in the proposal accompanying the motion are well
> within these guidelines. So while I appreciate Adam's help in reducing the
> costs of Samson's trip, I think those efforts are a distraction from the
> motion itself, which, at its essence is a proposal to attend the Scratch
> conference as an invited speaker on behalf of Sugar Labs. I have confidence
> that with Adam's help, the costs may well be less than the < US$800
> stated in the motion, but what about the motion? Is there someone who will
> second it so we can vote?
>
>
> Humbly Disagree.
>
> The motion needs to be rewritten specifically so that Samson can:
>
> (1) Move forward with applying for his French visa w/o delay.
>
I am to visit Lagos by 12th of june to begin my visa process.

>
> (2) Obtain up to $500 to that specific end.
>
$600(195,000 naira) will be helpful judging by the current exchange rate,
compare to $500.

My request was 260,000 naira, getting up to 195,000 would be nice.


But one question Adam, what if i get the visa and spend higher than what
was proposed due to the naira gaining rate towards the dollar, supposedly
what was approved was $600(195,000 naira as of today exchange rate)?

Shouldn't we agree on using the Naira as the currency here, since it is
going to be reimbursement? Because it might happen that tomorrow, if the
approved money is $600(195,000) went back to $1 = 170 naira. Right now the
rate is $1 = 325 naira. So the $600 might turn up useless if this happens.


When you told me you came to Nigeria, i believe the rate was $1 = 190
naira, that was why things was cheap in Nigeria compare 2017 $1 = 325
naira.


So this should be consider when trying to lower the money from $800 to any
amount. Because i mentioned the amount i need in naira which was 260,000 i
didn't care about the dollars or euro because it might be $400 or even $300
if the economy turn worst.

So 260,000 Nigerian naira is the total amount of my motion as of today.


On financial matters especially — it's important that we build trust, and
> avoid appearances of board members sending financial favors to each other — 
> *by
> saying-what-we-mean and meaning-what-we-say.*
>

But could this be voted on, as walter suggested?

>
>
> Respecting All,
>
> Adam
>

BR

Samson

>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 1, 2017 1:28 PM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 7:14 AM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This would set a terrible precedent for Sugar Labs to pay $800 for a
>>> visa alone.
>>>
>>> Flight and other things connected.
>>>
>>>
>> All for the sake of 1 visa alone, let's hope it happens (sorry you're
>> flying instead of taking the new train from Port Harcourt to Lagos isn't
>> ready yet...)
>>
>> Strange that my parents spent an important part of their lives teaching
>>>  in Nigeria and I happen to know more about modern Lagos (where Samson
>>> would apply for his French govt visa) than a steady stream of hyperbolic
>>> claims have insinuated.
>>>
>>>
>>> I am a Nigerian, you are not.
>>>
>>>
>> Luckily they charge the same price regardless our ethnicity here at this
>> $~19/night room in good proximity to the French Embassy in Lagos: (Lekki,
>> by Lagos Island, I know it well)
>>
>>http://airbnb.com/rooms/13639701
>>
>> Air/conditioning, Internet, Amenities etc...I don't spend this much
>> myself but there are in fact options in every price range.
>>
>> Staying a  standard hotel, is and always be the best option for me. I am
>> not an adult yet technically, the street in Lagos is not meant for people
>> like me.
>>
>> Meaning i can't use this service, only hotels. My parents wouldn't even
>> let me try it.
>>
>> It may sound crazy but that how it is.
>>
>>
>> Things are crazy expensive in Nigeria.
>>>
>>>
>> Nigeria has a truly great sense of humor and Nigerians are more
>> resourceful than most imagine.
>>
>> Yeah we all are, but the government isn't.
>

Re: [IAEP] MOTION to budget professional services for a Yoruba-Igbo XO build WAS [Re: Yoruba localization contract completed

[Samson Goddy]

Hi David,

Thanks for reaching out, are you currently in Africa(Nigeria)?, because i
stay in Port Harcourt and i will be coming to lagos in few weeks for my
visa so we could meet up if you are in Nigeria.


Samson G

On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 11:47 AM, David Ally <david_a...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dear IAEP community,
> Good to hear about all these efforts. I once requested for handle on the
> recently Yoruba translation of Sugar Activities but could not make any
> headway. My reason for requesting for the translation was because I was
> trying to assemble some translators and contents remixers in the country to
> work on 3 major languages for current academic curriculum.
>
> I am still pressing on this front however, this work is too resource
> consuming and requires almost full time work to make significant progress.
> I am presently engaged on many fronts and so could only spare time for
> this, however, if there is a way to link up with Samson to work out some
> level collaborations, may be we can be make better progress.
>
> So @SamsonGoddy, is there anyway we can link up on these activities?
>
> Please keep me informed of all Nigerian/West African related translation
> activities, I am keen on this area.
>
> Regards!
> David
>
>
>
> On Friday, June 2, 2017, 11:11:54 PM GMT+1, Samson Goddy <
> samsongo...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Thanks laura for bringing this up. I have working on bringing sugar to
> Nigeria schools, because the people that use Sugar currently are just the
> xo-1 users.
>
> As i told Chris Leonard last time when he reach me about getting
> translators. I am working on getting a group of developers in Port Harcourt
> and also translators. These people are eager to contribute to open source,
> which is good because of project like Google Summer of Code.
>
> I was thinking about doing something like "Sugar Labs summit" in Nigeria
> to connect to all these category of people mentioned. But funds is a
> problem, i have been trying to reach out to local sponsors. But definitely
> Scratch Conference in Bordeaux will become more productive if i connect to
> sponsors for workshops.
>
> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 9:26 PM, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org>
> wrote:
>
> Hi SLOBs,
>
> Some time has passed and this wonderful translations haven't reach the
> children yet!
>
>
> They have but in a small scale, because people are still using the xo
> laptops. But not as before.
>
>
> The PO files exists, but there is an urgent need to create a build that
> includes them so that Samson and Ibiam can get it distributed among their
> young XO learners partners.
>
> So, I propose the following Motion:
>
> SL will allocate a budget of US$TBD for "professional services" required
> to create a fitable image for Samson's and Ibiam's young XO partners in
> Africa. SL will make an open call to the mailing list to find one or more
> professional to do it.
>
> +1, i am very support of this. I have been trying to work something out.
> At least, i and walter are planning a workshop in Nigeria, which will serve
> as introducing sugar to new schools. And also help create a small
> deployment to help support the schools with xos(2,000 machines).
>
>
>
> Hope we can start using SL money to actually outreach Sugar learners!
>
> Blessings and happy Friday!
>
> Laura V
>
>
>
> 2016-09-24 16:01 GMT-05:00 Chris Leonard <cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com>:
>
> Dear Sugar Labs,
>
> Per the Yoruba localization contract undertaken by Samson Goddy,
> Milestones 2 and 3 have been completed and all requested revisions
> have been made.
>
> http://translate.sugarlabs.org /yo/ <http://translate.sugarlabs.org/yo/>
>
> As Translation Community Manager (and in the oversight role defined in
> the contract), I am approving payment of Milestones 2 and 3.
>
> Adam Holt as Sugar Lab's contact with the SFC is requested to
> communicate Samson's invoicing to the SFC for payment.
>
> Milestone 2 PO files (Glucose) $1,350
>
> sugar
> sugar-toolkit-gtk3
> OLPC_switch_desktop
>
>
> Milestone 3 PO files (Fructose) $2,300
>
> Calculate
> Chat
> ImageViewer
> Jukebox
> Log
> Paint
> Pippy
> Portfolio
> Read
> ReadETexts
> Record
> Speak
> Terminal
> TurtleArt
> Web
> Write
>
> cjl
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>
>
>
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> Laura V.
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>
> “Solo la tecnología libre

Re: [IAEP] MOTION to budget professional services for a Yoruba-Igbo XO build WAS [Re: Yoruba localization contract completed

[Samson Goddy]

Hi all,

Thanks laura for bringing this up. I have working on bringing sugar to
Nigeria schools, because the people that use Sugar currently are just the
xo-1 users.

As i told Chris Leonard last time when he reach me about getting
translators. I am working on getting a group of developers in Port Harcourt
and also translators. These people are eager to contribute to open source,
which is good because of project like Google Summer of Code.

I was thinking about doing something like "Sugar Labs summit" in Nigeria to
connect to all these category of people mentioned. But funds is a problem,
i have been trying to reach out to local sponsors. But definitely Scratch
Conference in Bordeaux will become more productive if i connect to sponsors
for workshops.

On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 9:26 PM, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:

> Hi SLOBs,
>
> Some time has passed and this wonderful translations haven't reach the
> children yet!
>

They have but in a small scale, because people are still using the xo
laptops. But not as before.

>
> The PO files exists, but there is an urgent need to create a build that
> includes them so that Samson and Ibiam can get it distributed among their
> young XO learners partners.
>
> So, I propose the following Motion:
>
> SL will allocate a budget of US$TBD for "professional services" required
> to create a fitable image for Samson's and Ibiam's young XO partners in
> Africa. SL will make an open call to the mailing list to find one or more
> professional to do it.
>
+1, i am very support of this. I have been trying to work something out. At
least, i and walter are planning a workshop in Nigeria, which will serve as
introducing sugar to new schools. And also help create a small deployment
to help support the schools with xos(2,000 machines).

>
>
> Hope we can start using SL money to actually outreach Sugar learners!
>
> Blessings and happy Friday!
>
> Laura V
>
>
>
> 2016-09-24 16:01 GMT-05:00 Chris Leonard <cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Dear Sugar Labs,
>>
>> Per the Yoruba localization contract undertaken by Samson Goddy,
>> Milestones 2 and 3 have been completed and all requested revisions
>> have been made.
>>
>> http://translate.sugarlabs.org/yo/
>>
>> As Translation Community Manager (and in the oversight role defined in
>> the contract), I am approving payment of Milestones 2 and 3.
>>
>> Adam Holt as Sugar Lab's contact with the SFC is requested to
>> communicate Samson's invoicing to the SFC for payment.
>>
>> Milestone 2 PO files (Glucose) $1,350
>>
>> sugar
>> sugar-toolkit-gtk3
>> OLPC_switch_desktop
>>
>>
>> Milestone 3 PO files (Fructose) $2,300
>>
>> Calculate
>> Chat
>> ImageViewer
>> Jukebox
>> Log
>> Paint
>> Pippy
>> Portfolio
>> Read
>> ReadETexts
>> Record
>> Speak
>> Terminal
>> TurtleArt
>> Web
>> Write
>>
>> cjl
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>
>
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>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] SLOB motion

[Samson Goddy]

On Jun 1, 2017 1:28 PM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 7:14 AM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> This would set a terrible precedent for Sugar Labs to pay $800 for a visa
> alone.
>
> Flight and other things connected.
>
>
All for the sake of 1 visa alone, let's hope it happens (sorry you're
flying instead of taking the new train from Port Harcourt to Lagos isn't
ready yet...)

Strange that my parents spent an important part of their lives teaching  in
> Nigeria and I happen to know more about modern Lagos (where Samson would
> apply for his French govt visa) than a steady stream of hyperbolic claims
> have insinuated.
>
>
> I am a Nigerian, you are not.
>
>
Luckily they charge the same price regardless our ethnicity here at this
$~19/night room in good proximity to the French Embassy in Lagos: (Lekki,
by Lagos Island, I know it well)

   http://airbnb.com/rooms/13639701

Air/conditioning, Internet, Amenities etc...I don't spend this much myself
but there are in fact options in every price range.

Staying a  standard hotel, is and always be the best option for me. I am
not an adult yet technically, the street in Lagos is not meant for people
like me.

Meaning i can't use this service, only hotels. My parents wouldn't even let
me try it.

It may sound crazy but that how it is.


Things are crazy expensive in Nigeria.
>
>
Nigeria has a truly great sense of humor and Nigerians are more resourceful
than most imagine.

Yeah we all are, but the government isn't.


As such I will continue to vote My Conscience -- *AGAINST THIS MOTION with
> respect for all and malice toward none* -- up until the point where:
>
> 1) The total is reduced to $500 (receipts provided per SFConservancy
> policies).
>
> If $800 can't be given to me, i am okay with  $500-600. Just that it will
> make me use lot of my savings i have been keeping for my internet plan.
> Half is better than none.
>
>
Thanks much Samson for being understanding and honoring all who wish they
had this opportunity!


> 2) It is clarified in writing (within the motion or nearby) what happens
> if the money disappears, if the French Govt insists on rejecting Samson's
> visa application.  (In short: would Sugar Labs or Scratch pay this up-to-
> $500 ?)
>
>
The motion needs to quickly clarify the above.

Frankly, there is no need for this. I said Sugar Labs is not going to give
me any money or support me until i have my visa that hand. This motion is
purely for reimbursement.

You made it clear that SL might lose money. So this is how i tend to
prevent that. I am going to use my personal savings with so little support
with the scratch community. Then get reimbursed if i am successful.


Onwards & Upwards ~

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] SLOB motion

[Samson Goddy]

Hi adam,

I want to clarify some things with you.

On Jun 1, 2017 11:50 AM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 5:47 PM, Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com>
 wrote:

I'd like to queue up this motion before our monthly meeting on Friday:

Motion: Allocate $800 towards the expenses associated with Samson Goddy
presenting Sugar at the Scratch Conference in Bordeaux, France in July 2017
(See [1] for details).


This would set a terrible precedent for Sugar Labs to pay $800 for a visa
alone.

Flight and other things connected.


Far worse, when in fact it can be done for less.

Strange that my parents spent an important part of their lives teaching  in
Nigeria and I happen to know more about modern Lagos (where Samson would
apply for his French govt visa) than a steady stream of hyperbolic claims
have insinuated.


I am a Nigerian, you are not. If you look at caryl email you will see that
2017 is the worst year in the whole nigeria history in terms of economy.
Most things you see in the internet are purely last year. Things are crazy
expensive in Nigeria. I spent close to 80USD per month for internet only.

And we don't use dollar in Nigeria just naira. And naira is not valuable.


As such I will continue to vote My Conscience -- *AGAINST THIS MOTION with
respect for all and malice toward none* -- up until the point where:

1) The total is reduced to $500 (receipts provided per SFConservancy
policies).

If $800 can't be given to me, i am okay with  $500-600. Just that it will
make me use lot of my savings i have been keeping for my internet plan.
Half is better than none.


2) It is clarified in writing (within the motion or nearby) what happens if
the money disappears, if the French Govt insists on rejecting Samson's visa
application.  (In short: would Sugar Labs or Scratch pay this up-to-$500 ?)

I am the one taking the risk not Sugar Labs.

You mention last time that if i can get money elsewhere and be successful
with the visa.. Sugar Labs will grant me repay me.

The money is to paid to me not scratch..

Right now Scratch already sent me some money for Ibiam's passport. Which he
will be having soon, they are alo looking for a way to get Ibiam to
bordeaux since the community chose not to help.


Important: There's absolutely no need to wait for a monthly meeting here,
so that Samson (or other urgent matters such as this) are not left waiting.


I think friday will be a good day to vote. There is no rush. I am to go to
lagos bu 11th of june.



[1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/152VDfUcdcGOHOFBLT3lG15sU
FpzBeuBCGiNAGCSOLj4/edit?usp=sharing

regards.

-walter

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[IAEP] Funds for local cost

[Samson Goddy]

Hello,

I think there are some misunderstanding around my last mail.

This is how i think we can move forward, forget about the €800 proposed. I
am going to add my personal money to it since getting the proposed money is
a problem for the community.

Adam could you second the motion for €600? That's if you are okay with it.

I am going to include my personal money to it and achieve the same goal.
Because i know going to bordeaux will have a great impact for the community
and for me.

So i am going to work with the scratch team, get to lagos finish my visa
process then get reimbursed if i am successful with the visa process. The
lost will be on me not the community.

This is the way i believe we can move forward and i am sorry if my comments
is offensive.


Samson G

On May 31, 2017 4:58 PM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:

$900 for a visa alone is far too much -- whether or not this money all
disappears -- if the French govt turns it down, they are making a big
mistake, but it could happen.  Whether it's up-to-$900 of Sugar Labs money
that would disappear, or up-to-$900 of Scratch money that would disappear?
(*)

Should the Sugar Labs Board consider allocating $500 maximum (with
receipts) to Sugar Network and $500 maximum (with receipts) to Samson's
visa effort both, each with their own risks/rewards -- so that investments
in different continents occur (somewhat) more equitably?

I spent less than $500 over 3 WEEKS in West Africa, Lagos, etc (including a
very similar visa escapade, working with a very similar
embassy/consulate).  In my case I spent less than $200 TOTAL (including
intercity buses, intracity buses, and the very similarly priced visa, mine
cost more than Samson's estimated $127 visa fees) and indeed took many days
to make this happen.

So we need to bring this to a conclusion in a more humble manner than
throwing money around.  Or speculating on ungodly currency
fluctuations/conversions til the end of time.  Myself I could not spend
$500 in Lagos over a week if I tried, even if I get 1000 more emails from
Samson explaining to the world that I'm an idiot.  Obviously Samson is
coming from a very different upbringing.  So let's be respectful of that.
If he's willing to meet in the middle and be resourceful on his own end,
then we can move forward~


(*) How do we get this in writing (who exactly is stuck with the bill if
the French govt regrettably turns down Samson) so everyone can vote their
conscience, truly understanding what's being proposed?



On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 10:41 AM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I totally understand,
>
> I don't  have friends or family in Lagos, the only person i made contact
> with, is someone i met in a conference at Port Harcourt. All my contacts,
> family members are all in the south-south region.
>
> The person i made contact with stays in Ikeja the capital of lagos. Where
> i am going is 2 hours(if there are no traffic) away from the
> consulate(lekki). He has lot of family members staying with him. I can't
> force my way in.
>
> Previously i proposed to stay in lagos for 3 days but it was recommended
> by the consulate that i can stay up to a week but not a must.
>
> I don't know where in lagos you said you stayed or what year? Because all
> of these things were proposed based on how things are in 2017.
>
> I am not using SL money to live large in lagos, i dont see how 15,000 per
> night is expensive? Please dont use the dollar to judge this proposal
> because we don't use dollar in Nigeria. We convert them to naira.
>
> I used this sign for a reason ~€800 but to be precise is €744. Why?
> Because the naira gain or lose every hour.
>
> Please make some research about what is going on in Nigeria currently.
>
> The team in Bordeaux spent around $300 for my passport and some things
> that needed to be done to get my passport while in Port Harcourt.
>
> Now i am going to lagos, booking flight and you expect the proposal to be
> the same while i did just my passport without traveling?
>
> Samson
>
>
> On May 31, 2017 2:38 PM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>
> Why spend up to $300 of Sugar Labs' piggy bank to save yourself an hour
> or two?  (I've crossed Lagos many times, in traffic, and in this case we
> hope only 1 or 2 visits to the French Consulate are required!)
>
> Please could you Samson consider your friend's home in Lagos (for many of
> those nights, if a consular wait is required) particularly if in the end
> you do not like (highly-reviewed) $20-30/night Airbnb rooms in Lagos?
>
> I am not asking you to live like the other Nigerians I know (who like
> myself, In Fact choose to stay in Lagos more humbly for $10-20 total per
> day, but please also find ways to respect those/all who choose to live a
> more lo-fi lifestyle in a hi-fi world, 

Re: [IAEP] Funds for local cost

[Samson Goddy]

.

On May 31, 2017 3:41 PM, "Samson Goddy" <samsongo...@gmail.com> wrote:

I totally understand,

I don't  have friends or family in Lagos, the only person i made contact
with, is someone i met in a conference at Port Harcourt. All my contacts,
family members are all in the south-south region.

The person i made contact with stays in Ikeja the capital of lagos. Where i
am going is 2 hours(if there are no traffic) away from the
consulate(lekki). He has lot of family members staying with him. I can't
force my way in.

Previously i proposed to stay in lagos for 3 days but it was recommended by
the consulate that i can stay up to a week but not a must.

I don't know where in lagos you said you stayed or what year? Because all
of these things were proposed based on how things are in 2017.

I am not using SL money to live large in lagos, i dont see how 15,000 per
night is expensive? Please dont use the dollar to judge this proposal
because we don't use dollar in Nigeria. We convert them to naira.

I used this sign for a reason ~€800 but to be precise is €744. Why? Because
the naira gain or lose every hour.

Please make some research about what is going on in Nigeria currently.

The team in Bordeaux spent around $300 for my passport and some things that
needed to be done to get my passport while in Port Harcourt.

Now i am going to lagos, booking flight and you expect the proposal to be
the same while i did just my passport without traveling?

Samson


On May 31, 2017 2:38 PM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:

Why spend up to $300 of Sugar Labs' piggy bank to save yourself an hour or
two?  (I've crossed Lagos many times, in traffic, and in this case we hope
only 1 or 2 visits to the French Consulate are required!)

Please could you Samson consider your friend's home in Lagos (for many of
those nights, if a consular wait is required) particularly if in the end
you do not like (highly-reviewed) $20-30/night Airbnb rooms in Lagos?

I am not asking you to live like the other Nigerians I know (who like
myself, In Fact choose to stay in Lagos more humbly for $10-20 total per
day, but please also find ways to respect those/all who choose to live a
more lo-fi lifestyle in a hi-fi world, as Sugar Labs' seeks to invest its
piggy bank broadly across all nations' most dynamic learning communities
where possible!!)


On May 31, 2017 8:02 AM, "Samson Goddy" <samsongo...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 12:37 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:

> On May 31, 2017 3:53 AM, "Samson Goddy" <samsongo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 1:51 AM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 7:56 PM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> This is a spinoff motion [1] from the previous one i proposed. The main
>>> purpose of this proposal is to help support my trip to bordeaux especially
>>> on local expenses. This is a well thought proposal, since the community
>>> can't afford to send me and ibiam to bordeaux. I made a solo motion for
>>> just me, because the scratch team will be taking care of my flight and
>>> hotel cost in france.
>>>
>>> As per Adam's request on the last motion. My plan is to get money from
>>> scratch team to cover the ~800 euros cost for this proposal then get
>>> reimbursed if i successfully get my visa for travel. So the community will
>>> not border about losing money if i don't get the visa.
>>>
>>
>> Can you break down this $~900 (€800) into a more precise budget please,
>> explaining exactly what's needed?  Thanks as the following paragraphs don't
>> give enough information to understand why $~900 is being sought:
>>
>
> What i need exactly is 260,000 nigerian naira which i see now is $826. But
> the nigerian local go up and down every hour towards the dollar, euros and
> pounds. I will be changing the local currency from either euros or dollar
> to my local currency and also buy euros again with the naira when i want to
> leave Nigeria.
>
>
> 1. Return flight to Lagos $200 via Arik Air
>
>
> +1 so we don't have to argue with your parents (bus to Lagos worked for
> me).
>
> 2. An uber or taxi from the local terminal (Airport) to Lekki where i
> supposedly will be staying for 1-6 working days. (15,000 nigerian naira)
>
>
> My Lagos airport bus, including a connection to cross the city, was about
> $2.
>

I still do not know how you did it, well i am guessing when you came to
Nigeria was 2015, 2016 period. Because, i travelled to lagos when i was
going to nairobi(April 2017), and it took me 5,000 naira to move from the
local terminal airport to the international airport by a cab. So imagine
hea

Re: [IAEP] Funds for local cost

[Samson Goddy]

I totally understand,

I don't  have friends or family in Lagos, the only person i made contact
with, is someone i met in a conference at Port Harcourt. All my contacts,
family members are all in the south-south region.

The person i made contact with stays in Ikeja the capital of lagos. Where i
am going is 2 hours(if there are no traffic) away from the
consulate(lekki). He has lot of family members staying with him. I can't
force my way in.

Previously i proposed to stay in lagos for 3 days but it was recommended by
the consulate that i can stay up to a week but not a must.

I don't know where in lagos you said you stayed or what year? Because all
of these things were proposed based on how things are in 2017.

I am not using SL money to live large in lagos, i dont see how 15,000 per
night is expensive? Please dont use the dollar to judge this proposal
because we don't use dollar in Nigeria. We convert them to naira.

I used this sign for a reason ~€800 but to be precise is €744. Why? Because
the naira gain or lose every hour.

Please make some research about what is going on in Nigeria currently.

The team in Bordeaux spent around $300 for my passport and some things that
needed to be done to get my passport while in Port Harcourt.

Now i am going to lagos, booking flight and you expect the proposal to be
the same while i did just my passport without traveling?

Samson


On May 31, 2017 2:38 PM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:

Why spend up to $300 of Sugar Labs' piggy bank to save yourself an hour or
two?  (I've crossed Lagos many times, in traffic, and in this case we hope
only 1 or 2 visits to the French Consulate are required!)

Please could you Samson consider your friend's home in Lagos (for many of
those nights, if a consular wait is required) particularly if in the end
you do not like (highly-reviewed) $20-30/night Airbnb rooms in Lagos?

I am not asking you to live like the other Nigerians I know (who like
myself, In Fact choose to stay in Lagos more humbly for $10-20 total per
day, but please also find ways to respect those/all who choose to live a
more lo-fi lifestyle in a hi-fi world, as Sugar Labs' seeks to invest its
piggy bank broadly across all nations' most dynamic learning communities
where possible!!)


On May 31, 2017 8:02 AM, "Samson Goddy" <samsongo...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 12:37 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:

> On May 31, 2017 3:53 AM, "Samson Goddy" <samsongo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 1:51 AM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 7:56 PM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> This is a spinoff motion [1] from the previous one i proposed. The main
>>> purpose of this proposal is to help support my trip to bordeaux especially
>>> on local expenses. This is a well thought proposal, since the community
>>> can't afford to send me and ibiam to bordeaux. I made a solo motion for
>>> just me, because the scratch team will be taking care of my flight and
>>> hotel cost in france.
>>>
>>> As per Adam's request on the last motion. My plan is to get money from
>>> scratch team to cover the ~800 euros cost for this proposal then get
>>> reimbursed if i successfully get my visa for travel. So the community will
>>> not border about losing money if i don't get the visa.
>>>
>>
>> Can you break down this $~900 (€800) into a more precise budget please,
>> explaining exactly what's needed?  Thanks as the following paragraphs don't
>> give enough information to understand why $~900 is being sought:
>>
>
> What i need exactly is 260,000 nigerian naira which i see now is $826. But
> the nigerian local go up and down every hour towards the dollar, euros and
> pounds. I will be changing the local currency from either euros or dollar
> to my local currency and also buy euros again with the naira when i want to
> leave Nigeria.
>
>
> 1. Return flight to Lagos $200 via Arik Air
>
>
> +1 so we don't have to argue with your parents (bus to Lagos worked for
> me).
>
> 2. An uber or taxi from the local terminal (Airport) to Lekki where i
> supposedly will be staying for 1-6 working days. (15,000 nigerian naira)
>
>
> My Lagos airport bus, including a connection to cross the city, was about
> $2.
>

I still do not know how you did it, well i am guessing when you came to
Nigeria was 2015, 2016 period. Because, i travelled to lagos when i was
going to nairobi(April 2017), and it took me 5,000 naira to move from the
local terminal airport to the international airport by a cab. So imagine
heading to a place that is 2:30 minutes away from that same airport.

>
> 3. I called t

Re: [IAEP] Funds for local cost

[Samson Goddy]

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 12:37 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:

> On May 31, 2017 3:53 AM, "Samson Goddy" <samsongo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 1:51 AM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 7:56 PM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> This is a spinoff motion [1] from the previous one i proposed. The main
>>> purpose of this proposal is to help support my trip to bordeaux especially
>>> on local expenses. This is a well thought proposal, since the community
>>> can't afford to send me and ibiam to bordeaux. I made a solo motion for
>>> just me, because the scratch team will be taking care of my flight and
>>> hotel cost in france.
>>>
>>> As per Adam's request on the last motion. My plan is to get money from
>>> scratch team to cover the ~800 euros cost for this proposal then get
>>> reimbursed if i successfully get my visa for travel. So the community will
>>> not border about losing money if i don't get the visa.
>>>
>>
>> Can you break down this $~900 (€800) into a more precise budget please,
>> explaining exactly what's needed?  Thanks as the following paragraphs don't
>> give enough information to understand why $~900 is being sought:
>>
>
> What i need exactly is 260,000 nigerian naira which i see now is $826. But
> the nigerian local go up and down every hour towards the dollar, euros and
> pounds. I will be changing the local currency from either euros or dollar
> to my local currency and also buy euros again with the naira when i want to
> leave Nigeria.
>
>
> 1. Return flight to Lagos $200 via Arik Air
>
>
> +1 so we don't have to argue with your parents (bus to Lagos worked for
> me).
>
> 2. An uber or taxi from the local terminal (Airport) to Lekki where i
> supposedly will be staying for 1-6 working days. (15,000 nigerian naira)
>
>
> My Lagos airport bus, including a connection to cross the city, was about
> $2.
>

I still do not know how you did it, well i am guessing when you came to
Nigeria was 2015, 2016 period. Because, i travelled to lagos when i was
going to nairobi(April 2017), and it took me 5,000 naira to move from the
local terminal airport to the international airport by a cab. So imagine
heading to a place that is 2:30 minutes away from that same airport.

>
> 3. I called the consulate in lagos, they advise me to stay for minimum of
> 1 week, so that if they need any supporting document they can easily tell
> me to rush down to their office without coming from Port Harcourt again. So
> i will be staying for 1-6 days in lagos (80,000 to 90,000)
>
>
> Airbnb.com has many well-reviewed rooms incl WiFi for $20 to $30 per
> night.
>
> $10 to $20 per night options also exist on Airbnb (insist on reviews, to
> avoid fraud).  Personally I stayed in low-end hotels for about $5 to
> 10 per night, as I did during my 3 weeks in West Africa.
>
> You friend's home in Lagos (per the original plan) might also be an option.
>

Yeah, my friend's place is far from lekki, so that is not an option.

Expensive hotel rooms in Lagos are from 60,000 per night to 1 million naira
compare that to 15,000 naira per night room in one of the most expensive
environment in lagos.

My hotel bill is 15,000 naira per night.

>
> 4. The closest hotel i have seens so far is 20 minute drive to the
> consulate's office.  So taxi fares will be included, i can't be sure of how
> much they pay because Lekki is one of the V.I.P areas for rich folks in
> lagos.
>
>
> I traveled to 10 different neighborhoods in Lagos and never paid more than
> about $1 for the bus.  My linguistic skills are low (luckily yours are
> not, still keep GPS handy) but I always got to my destination quickly.
>
> 5. Since it takes 15 working days to processes a visa i will have to pay
> for consulate endorsed or affiliated courier to bring my visa and passport
> to Port Harcourt where i live, since i can't stay for 15 working days.
> Prices are unknown to me, i will know when i go to lagos.
>
>
> Understood.
>
> 6. My feeding
>
>
> I was able to eat well in Lagos for $2/day.  Of course I avoid fancy
> restaurants, unless a business meeting requires that.
>
> 7. Miscellaneous
>
>
> Progress.  But can you tell us the rough cost of the visa itself?
>
Everything thing including the visa and processing is close to 40,000
naira.

What year did you came to lagos? was it 2017? what was the exchange rate of
dollar when you travelled? Did you stay in Lekki?

$2 dollars is 700 nigerian naira, so i don't see how you eat well with 700
Nigerian naira. Because

Re: [IAEP] Funds for local cost

[Samson Goddy]

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 1:51 AM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:

> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 7:56 PM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> This is a spinoff motion [1] from the previous one i proposed. The main
>> purpose of this proposal is to help support my trip to bordeaux especially
>> on local expenses. This is a well thought proposal, since the community
>> can't afford to send me and ibiam to bordeaux. I made a solo motion for
>> just me, because the scratch team will be taking care of my flight and
>> hotel cost in france.
>>
>> As per Adam's request on the last motion. My plan is to get money from
>> scratch team to cover the ~800 euros cost for this proposal then get
>> reimbursed if i successfully get my visa for travel. So the community will
>> not border about losing money if i don't get the visa.
>>
>
> Can you break down this $~900 (€800) into a more precise budget please,
> explaining exactly what's needed?  Thanks as the following paragraphs don't
> give enough information to understand why $~900 is being sought:
>

What i need exactly is 260,000 nigerian naira which i see now is $826. But
the nigerian local go up and down every hour towards the dollar, euros and
pounds. I will be changing the local currency from either euros or dollar
to my local currency and also buy euros again with the naira when i want to
leave Nigeria.


1. Return flight to Lagos $200 via Arik Air

2. An uber or taxi from the local terminal (Airport) to Lekki where i
supposedly will be staying for 1-6 working days. (15,000 nigerian naira)

3. I called the consulate in lagos, they advise me to stay for minimum of 1
week, so that if they need any supporting document they can easily tell me
to rush down to their office without coming from Port Harcourt again. So i
will be staying for 1-6 days in lagos (80,000 to 90,000)

4. The closest hotel i have seens so far is 20 minute drive to the
consulate's office.  So taxi fares will be included, i can't be sure of how
much they pay because Lekki is one of the V.I.P areas for rich folks in
lagos.

5. Since it takes 15 working days to processes a visa i will have to pay
for consulate endorsed or affiliated courier to bring my visa and passport
to Port Harcourt where i live, since i can't stay for 15 working days.
Prices are unknown to me, i will know when i go to lagos.

6. My feeding

7. Miscellaneous

*Note: *All this are just estimate, because it might go higher based on the
real time exchange rate of foreign currencies to my local currently. This
are very expensive in Nigeria, please don't use Google to check prices of
things in Nigeria because they are not accurate everything goes up and down
in hours.

FYI, when the scratch team offered pay for my passport in April,  they saw
on the internet that my people under 18 in Nigeria pays 15 thousand for
passport. But when i got to the immigration office, i paid 30,000 nigeria
and additional 10,000 to get the passport quicker.

So  $~900 is recommended because the exchange moves every hour. Things are
expensive in Nigeria because people rendering the goods and service uses
the black market rate for some selfish reasons.

See Aboki FX

https://abokifx.com/ for daily prices of things in Nigeria how dollar
affect things.


Samson



>
> "First all the embassy in Nigeria are either in Lagos or Abuja. So he has
> to stay in Lagos or Abuja for the period of obtaining the visa. This will
> cover return flight cost from Port Harcourt to Lagos or Abuja.
>
> I took the bus to Lagos (and the passengers were extraordinarily gracious)
> but if you must fly Port Harcourt to Lagos/Abuja because your parents don't
> allow you to take the bus, that is (about) $100 in each direction.
>
> i have to go to lagos so that i can stay in a friend’s place, but cost of
> food will be on it too. The Visa processing takes about minimum of 15 days,
> but if the Scratch team request i go to Abuja instead for the visa. The
> costs of my hotel bills will be covered by them.
>

I am heading to lagos not abuja, Abuja is a very expensive city to live for
1-5 days in hotel.

>
> Great if Scratch has offered to cover hotel bills in Abuja (which might
> not even be needed if you stay in Lagos?)  Why is Scratch potentially
> requiring you visit Abuja?
>

Sorry that was before, i forgot to remove it. I will be staying in lagos
for the visa processing.

>
> This money will also serve for transporting me to the different locations
> in Bordeaux for the conference. The Conference will be taking place in 3
> different areas in Bordeaux, also some taxing fees we’ll have to pay before
> we can leave Nigeria to France."
>
> http://www.scratch2017bdx.org/en/map-of-venues/ says the entire week's
> transportation costs should be €13, o

[IAEP] Funds for local cost

[Samson Goddy]

Hello all,

This is a spinoff motion [1] from the previous one i proposed. The main
purpose of this proposal is to help support my trip to bordeaux especially
on local expenses. This is a well thought proposal, since the community
can't afford to send me and ibiam to bordeaux. I made a solo motion for
just me, because the scratch team will be taking care of my flight and
hotel cost in france.

As per Adam's request on the last motion. My plan is to get money from
scratch team to cover the ~800 euros cost for this proposal then get
reimbursed if i successfully get my visa for travel. So the community will
not border about losing money if i don't get the visa.

I hope this get seconded so that it can be voted upon





[1]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/152VDfUcdcGOHOFBLT3lG15sUFpzBeuBCGiNAGCSOLj4/edit?usp=sharing



Regards
Samson G
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Samson Goddy]

On May 24, 2017 2:22 AM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:

On May 23, 2017 8:48 PM, "Mariah Noelle Villarreal" <villarrea...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Given all that Samson and Ibiam have done for Sugar Labs and in preparation
for this proposal, I see it as absolutely imperative for Sugar Labs to
support their journey to France for the Scratch conference.

Let's not forget that Scratch is heading into a new direction with Scratch
3.0 and how much Sugar Labs has done in parallel to Scratch by staying true
to making and sharing learning software freely. Now is the time for two of
our best Sugar Labs representatives to engage with the Scratch community.

We have a community obligation to support Samson and Ibiam, especially if
Scratch is up to make space for dialogue and connection for our community
members from hard to reach places.

If you're on the board and haven't voted, I urge you to consider the social
side of our mission in reaching global learners and educators.  Accepting
this proposal will create space for our community members to make deeper
and more meaningful connections.


Intelligent people can disagree.

Personally I will *never* vote (with a capital N, given past patterns of
accounting black holes within Sugar Labs, and a continuing unwillingness to
pay for a Financial Manager) for *any* proposal, no matter the proposal,
that hasn't been had obvious financial risks of disappearing funds fully
vetted & mitigated.

Hi, your last mail. You requested that i should contact the scratch team if
they can go on with the ticketing and the rest. Because you don't want
Sugar Labs to lose money if we don't get the visas.

According to my discussion with the scratch team as you requested. They
agreed to the terms that they will have to cover the cost and get
reimbursed if we get the visas.

But now, i don't quite understand where this discussion is headed.

Is it that Sugar Labs cannot fund the  trip to Bordeaux as Tymon pointed
out?

If i may since you know more about Sugar Labs financial records than i do,
what exactly is the problem of the motion?

I am not forcing or putting any pressure for the approval of this motion.
But i am seriously confuse.

I will appreciate if anyone can address my questions.


Anything less would not only be shameful, but an abrogation of my ethical
duties as Sugar Labs Financial Liaison to the Software Freedom Conservancy.

WTF indeed (Watch The Financials...)


- Mariah Noelle

On May 23, 2017 9:36 AM, "Chihurumnaya Ibiam" <ibiamchihurumn...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hey Ty, we are attending as "Invited Speakers", there's a group of African
> representatives attending and representing the continent and we're part of
> that group, we are sharing our story -- what role scratch played in leading
> us this far -- and Sugar Labs is part of that story, it'll be nice and good
> to have guys from France attend to cut costs but we have the stage and they
> don't, and we also have the opportunity to conduct an after event mini
> workshop for people who want to know more about Sugar.
>
> *Ibiam Chihurumnaya*
>
> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Tymon Radzik <dwg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> wt., 23 maj 2017 o 00:37 użytkownik Samson Goddy <
>> samsongo...@sugarlabs.org> napisał:
>>
>>> Thanks for your input Tymon,
>>>
>>> However i perfectly understand that Sugar Labs is NGO.. And also getting
>>> a Schengen visa is also hard too. But also, bare in mind that before
>>> leaving any country, you have to show prove of paying for your flight and
>>> stay in the arrival country which in this case is france. I also made calls
>>> with the french embassy, we know what we are facing. We already reached out
>>> to the people inviting us from france about some documentations and bank
>>> statements since we are invited. Even the 30,000 euros health insurance is
>>> been taken care of by the team in France.
>>>
>>>
>> If $2,800 is alot of money for the community as most people said. It is
>>> fine, i just wish you can come stay in Nigeria for a week then make travel
>>> arrangement.
>>>
>>
>> Money we have deserves respect, it is shared and we take responsibility
>> for it. Also legal responsibility. Our reputation and well-being requires
>> us to be transparent and make wise financial decisions - minimum cost,
>> maximum benefit.
>>
>> And with all the respect to you and with no prejudice, I need to
>> underline we are not in real need to send people who face problems
>> traveling internatioanlly to represent us on Scratch conference taking
>> place on the other hemisphere, if we can send someone who lives much closer
>> and therefore for much less cost. It is nothin

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Samson Goddy]

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Tymon Radzik <dwg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> wt., 23 maj 2017 o 00:37 użytkownik Samson Goddy <
> samsongo...@sugarlabs.org> napisał:
>
>> Thanks for your input Tymon,
>>
>> However i perfectly understand that Sugar Labs is NGO.. And also getting
>> a Schengen visa is also hard too. But also, bare in mind that before
>> leaving any country, you have to show prove of paying for your flight and
>> stay in the arrival country which in this case is france. I also made calls
>> with the french embassy, we know what we are facing. We already reached out
>> to the people inviting us from france about some documentations and bank
>> statements since we are invited. Even the 30,000 euros health insurance is
>> been taken care of by the team in France.
>>
>>
> If $2,800 is alot of money for the community as most people said. It is
>> fine, i just wish you can come stay in Nigeria for a week then make travel
>> arrangement.
>>
>
> Money we have deserves respect, it is shared and we take responsibility
> for it. Also legal responsibility. Our reputation and well-being requires
> us to be transparent and make wise financial decisions - minimum cost,
> maximum benefit.
>
> And with all the respect to you and with no prejudice, I need to underline
> we are not in real need to send people who face problems traveling
> internatioanlly to represent us on Scratch conference taking place on the
> other hemisphere, if we can send someone who lives much closer and
> therefore for much less cost. It is nothing personal, just a rational
> thought.
>

First, the issue was sugar labs losing money if we don't get the visa.
Scratch team agreed that they will take the risk if we eventually get the
visa they will be happy to get repaid.

Now it seems like the conversation is now focus on expensive trip. Is there
any complaints you will like to bring up next?

You are not the first to come up with the idea of bringing someone else.
Lionel did, and i understand and respect his reasons. But you repeating it
again is just not worth it.


FYI, I and Ibiam created the platform about Sugar Labs coming to bordeaux,
that is why i went to Nairobi to convince the organizers that i would also
like to talk about Sugar Labs not just scratch. Came up with a proposal,
and it was selected. Now then have just two space for Sugar Labs member on
the stage at Bordeaux. So Good Luck with sending people there.

Remember it is a Scratch conference, not Open Technology conference.

>
> BTW, in case something bad happens while you're in EU, 30,000 euro health
> insurance may not be sufficient. Medical services are really expensive
> there.
>

Sugar Labs is not paying for my insurance, so i see no reason bringing this
up.

>
>
>> I will keep reaching and helping this community in the best way i can,
>> after all i went to Nairobi without Sugar Labs support. which i happen to
>> spend more than i expected before of the foreign exchange rate.
>>
>>
> I make no accusations about your community involvement. IMO we just don't
> need you traveling to France. Money should be spent to reach organization's
> goals.
>

Sure, finally someone with the bold move to tell me.

>
>
>> I hate repeating myself.. So i will stop replying any questions that is
>> already answered concerning this motion.
>>
>> Like i said, it is up to the community to decide how Sugar Labs runs.
>>
>> i want to thank everyone who voted and made some comments but now, i
>> think i am done talking.
>>
>
> Sure, it's your right. As my right is to express my own opinion about this
> case.
>
>
>>
>> FYI, i am not mad or angry, but somehow surprise but not totally not
>> surprised.
>>
>
> I am sorry, I don't understand this statement at all.
>

Read the statement again if you don't understand, i suggest you leave it
that way.

>
>
>>
>> Regards
>> Samson G
>>
>>
> Best,
> Tymon
>
>
>> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 11:17 PM, Tymon Radzik <ty...@sugarlabs.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am not anyhow permitted to vote, I'd like to share my mind with you,
>>> though. I completely support Lionel's opinion.
>>>
>>> I think Sugar Labs, as every NGO, should be really careful and strict
>>> while making financial decisions, especially these related to spending
>>> money we collected. Costs to benefits calculation ought to be always made
>>> and well considered. I do not see this high expense ($2800 is a lot of
>>> money) as something necessary and possibly more rewarding for our community
>>> than having OLPC representation. Wit

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Samson Goddy]

Thanks for your input Tymon,

However i perfectly understand that Sugar Labs is NGO.. And also getting a
Schengen visa is also hard too. But also, bare in mind that before leaving
any country, you have to show prove of paying for your flight and stay in
the arrival country which in this case is france. I also made calls with
the french embassy, we know what we are facing. We already reached out to
the people inviting us from france about some documentations and bank
statements since we are invited. Even the 30,000 euros health insurance is
been taken care of by the team in France.

If $2,800 is alot of money for the community as most people said. It is
fine, i just wish you can come stay in Nigeria for a week then make travel
arrangement.

I will keep reaching and helping this community in the best way i can,
after all i went to Nairobi without Sugar Labs support. which i happen to
spend more than i expected before of the foreign exchange rate.

I hate repeating myself.. So i will stop replying any questions that is
already answered concerning this motion.

Like i said, it is up to the community to decide how Sugar Labs runs.

i want to thank everyone who voted and made some comments but now, i think
i am done talking.

FYI, i am not mad or angry, but somehow surprise but not totally not
surprised.

Regards
Samson G

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 11:17 PM, Tymon Radzik <ty...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:

> I am not anyhow permitted to vote, I'd like to share my mind with you,
> though. I completely support Lionel's opinion.
>
> I think Sugar Labs, as every NGO, should be really careful and strict
> while making financial decisions, especially these related to spending
> money we collected. Costs to benefits calculation ought to be always made
> and well considered. I do not see this high expense ($2800 is a lot of
> money) as something necessary and possibly more rewarding for our community
> than having OLPC representation. With all respect to Samson and Ibiam and
> the great work they do - I think it is not it our interest to fund such
> journeys. Private and more public matters need to be distinguished.
>
> As a EU citizen, who has already helped some foreigners to get through
> arrival process to Europe, I can confirm getting Schengen visa nowadays due
> to the refugee crisis seems to be definitely not easy.
>
> Best,
> Tymon
>
> pt., 19 maj 2017 o 21:13 użytkownik Lionel Laské <lionel.la...@gmail.com>
> napisał:
>
>>
>> I'm not for the idea:
>> - It's possible than some OLPC France guys will be present there. They
>> could present Sugar/Sugarizer to the conference as well. And if they do,
>> the come from France - compared to Nigeria.
>> - Are you sure to obtain a Visa for the conference ? French government is
>> sometimes hard about Visa delivery to avoid illegal immigration.
>>
>>Lionel.
>>
>>
>> 2017-05-19 18:10 GMT+02:00 Ignacio Rodríguez <igna...@sugarlabs.org>:
>>
>>> I still don't know the difference of "seconded" or +1 to be honest :P
>>>
>>> But as I already said, its +1 from me
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 1:01 PM Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Sameer Verma <sve...@sfsu.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I second.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sameer
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 19, 2017 5:50 AM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps someone can second the motion so we can begin voting?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 4:28 AM, Samson Goddy <
>>>>> samsongo...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you all for the positive comments. But i am little sad that
>>>>>> since wednesday, only one vote has been made. Where we have 7 SLOBs 
>>>>>> member
>>>>>> in this community. I am pleading to other SLOBs member to come and vote, 
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> that i and Ibiam can have idea what to do next if this motion passes or
>>>>>> not. Because if this motion pass, we will have to wait for SFC 30 days
>>>>>> policy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Samson Goddy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:49 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez <
>>>>>> igna...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi everyone
>>>

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Samson Goddy]

Hi Adam,

As you requested, i already made it clear to the scratch community about
the funding and reimbursement. I also forwarded our last mail to them, so
that they can see the situation about what is going on in Sugar Labs about
the motion. They already approve to send 500 euros to me, to cover ibiam's
passport first and some local flight bookings. They know the risk, if they
didn't agree i won't mail the first place.

Frankly speaking $2,800 is the cheapest budget i and ibiam came up with
based on my own proposed funding from the scratch community.

Please note. 1 Euro = 353 Nigerian naira, this might sounds funny but this
means things are expensive in Nigeria locally. You could do some googling.
$2,800 might sounds as a big deal to people leaving in the US or use
Dollars as their main currency but it doesn't work here in Nigeria.

*Note:* Remember we are converting this money to naira in other to spend
them in Nigeria

Things are more expensive here than in the U.S, my internet plan is almost
$100/month. Also the Proposed TA day in Nigeria that was proposed last year
didn't really work at because of the exchange rate in the country. FYI
iphone 7 was once sold for $2,300 in Nigeria.  So this is why technically
speaking this is the cheapest budget that can funds us locally and also
internationally to france.

I also mail SFC this is from Karen

"Hi Samson,

Thanks for keeping us in the loop! If the motion is approved, we'll work to
find a solution, paying by card whatever we can and exploring other options
for the rest. I leave it up to Adam, as he's the authorized representative
for Sugar, but it could be helpful for SLOBs to also specifically agree to
the cash advance, as it puts Sugar's money more at risk than the usual
approval.
"
i think i already explained how and what the $2,800 stands for in our
proposal. The Scratch community

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 7:04 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:

> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Adam,
>>
>> The scratch community agrees to cover the $2,800 then get reimbursed as
>> you suggest.
>>
>
> If Sugar Labs were to approve some such funds, does Scratch understand the
> risks that one or more visa might be denied by the French govt, and as such
> they might not be reimbursed at all?
>
> How do we get this (or similar) in writing, so as avoid painfully
> unecessary he-said/she-said conflicts between Scratch and Sugar Labs, when
> the risk that visa(s) are denied remains real in the utmost?
>


> So with this new development can we officially approve the motion so that
>> SFC can be inform about the reimbursement.
>>
>> Ask you requested the Scratch community said funding they have for me is
>> around ~ €2200.
>>
>
> €2200 is about $2500, seemingly almost covering the very large $2800
> requested sum.  Does this mean Sugar Labs' funds are in the end somewhat
> incidental?
>
> Or is this possibly a $2500 + $2800 trip?
>

>
> That would be astonishingly expensive if so, but in any case can you
> clarify fully+precisely who is risking how much money might disappear under
> different circumstances, and how this will be mitigated?  However
> unfortunate it would be if France denies visa(s) to you and/or Ibiam
> Chihurumnaya.
>
> So i hope i have answer all questions.
>>
>
> It bears reminding that you are requesting a much higher expenditure than
> Laura Vargas' recently requested ($500) on a proven multiyear Peru
> community project.  Honoring everyone's hard work as much as we can, I
> personally cannot vote for Sugar Labs to approve $2800 (or clarify precise
> sums) unless there are guarantees (with teeth) that funds (as noble as they
> may be) won't be lost.  And/or what precisely happens when funds are in
> fact lost.
>

> Very Respectfully - thanks to Scratch investors, Ibiam, Samson & All~
>
>
> On May 20, 2017 6:29 PM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As such, a more financially judicious gamble might involve a carefully
>>>> thought-out proposal for one single individual to attend.  Likely an
>>>> individual who has the strongest track record of getting EU visas
>>>> approved?  Or perhaps an individual who has established contacts /
>>>> diplomatic connections within the French government, a high-level contact
>>>> who cares about children and free software etc, to guarantee the visa will
>>>> be approved?
>>>>
>>>
>>> More explanat

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Samson Goddy]

Hello Adam,

The scratch community agrees to cover the $2,800 then get reimbursed as you
suggest.

So with this new development can we officially approve the motion so that
SFC can be inform about the reimbursement.

Ask you requested the Scratch community said funding they have for me is
around ~ €2200.

So i hope i have answer all questions.


On May 20, 2017 6:29 PM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>
>> As such, a more financially judicious gamble might involve a carefully
>> thought-out proposal for one single individual to attend.  Likely an
>> individual who has the strongest track record of getting EU visas
>> approved?  Or perhaps an individual who has established contacts /
>> diplomatic connections within the French government, a high-level contact
>> who cares about children and free software etc, to guarantee the visa will
>> be approved?
>>
>
> More explanation please, i didn't really get the point.
>

You need to establish evidence that the visa will be approved.  A single
applicant (rather than two) confirmed by a high-level contact in the French
government might be the best way.

3) Laura Vargas is correct SFC cannot generally provide funds in advance,
>> so the mechanics of this entire proposal remain unclear.  Not reassuring
>> when flight prices are already rising less than 2 months before the event.
>> But possibly a (presumed) attendee can arrange a personal loan from a
>> friend, to cover all funds in advance, to be reimbursed by SFC later if
>> nothing goes wrong with the visa?
>>
>
> I will reach out to the scratch team in bordeaux then discuss about it.
>

Speak to them about the above legal question too -- it is possible they
have high-level contacts within the French govt, to provide the highest
level of assurance that a particular visa will be approved.

4) If an improved proposal is indeed appropriate at this late stage, what
>> community deliverables/artifacts will the attendee(s) publish and/or
>> contribute in the end, preferably on the public record for all to share?
>>
> I don't understand, could you explain more.
>

How specifically will attendee(s) document their contributions, in a more
permanent/global way -- whether via published photos, videos, ASLO,
http://scratch.mit.edu and/or a formal report?

(Most grant proposals of almost any kind require the applicant to specify
what kinds of community documentation will result from the trip...not just
social media, but that could be one part of it!)


> ASIDE: What is the exact/estimated total that Scratch itself has offered
>> to contribute?
>>
> They will pay my(Samson) flight (PHC > Lagos > Paris > Bordeaux), hotel,
> foods and visa.
>

Can you provide a rough estimate for this in USD?

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