Re: [IAEP] Save as

[Martin Dengler]

Tony,

> On 10 Jul 2016, at 16:34, Tony Anderson  wrote:
> 
> It is hard to describe 'Untitled' as an innovation since it is used by major 
> applications everywhere. 

There are many things that Sugar does differently than major applications 
everywhere. It was painful to re-think assumptions based on "major 
applications", but usually worthwhile.

> Tony

Martin
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Re: [IAEP] Save As

[Sebastian Silva]

El 10/07/16 a las 13:20, Tony Anderson escribió:
> Hi, Sebastian
>
> I write a lot of spaghetti code. I don't know anywhere it is written
> that code can only be written or appear on github. Has this become the
> monopoly of software?
No, but it's what we use in Sugar.
>
> I am really sorry that you raise what you apparently believe are
> serious issues and are unable to discuss them.
I am perfectly able to discuss them, publicly.
Here's where the public discussion is going on:
https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/pull/327
>
> You seem to have a lot of time to quibble over procedural issues.
Time is all I have, Tony.

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Re: [IAEP] Save As

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Sebastian

I write a lot of spaghetti code. I don't know anywhere it is written 
that code can only be written or appear on github. Has this become the 
monopoly of software?


I am really sorry that you raise what you apparently believe are serious 
issues and are unable to discuss them.


You seem to have a lot of time to quibble over procedural issues.

Tony

On 07/10/2016 07:48 PM, Sebastian Silva wrote:


El 10/07/16 a las 12:42, Tony Anderson escribió:

I don't know how to respond. You are still addressing procedural
issues. Is there some reason you want to ask questions on a PR and not
address them with the developer or me?

That is inaccurate. The developer gets all of our comments in the PR.
You should be in the PR even if you don't plan to develop.

Why do you expect mentors to be active in github? I am not a developer
and have no intention to become one. I am a user of Sugar and support
its use at a number of sites. I would like Sugar to provide certain
features which I think will make it more useful.

Because it's Summer of *Code*. And because that is how improvements in
Sugar are done. It used to be in sugar-devel, but not anymore, and it's
not my decision to make.

The reason is that I just can't follow many dozen-message lenght threads
that switch topics all the time. Instead, PR are bite-sized and end with
a merge.
.



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Re: [IAEP] Save As

[Sebastian Silva]

El 10/07/16 a las 12:42, Tony Anderson escribió:
> I don't know how to respond. You are still addressing procedural
> issues. Is there some reason you want to ask questions on a PR and not
> address them with the developer or me?
That is inaccurate. The developer gets all of our comments in the PR.
You should be in the PR even if you don't plan to develop.
>
> Why do you expect mentors to be active in github? I am not a developer
> and have no intention to become one. I am a user of Sugar and support
> its use at a number of sites. I would like Sugar to provide certain
> features which I think will make it more useful. 
Because it's Summer of *Code*. And because that is how improvements in
Sugar are done. It used to be in sugar-devel, but not anymore, and it's
not my decision to make.

The reason is that I just can't follow many dozen-message lenght threads
that switch topics all the time. Instead, PR are bite-sized and end with
a merge.
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Re: [IAEP] Save As

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Sebastian

I don't know how to respond. You are still addressing procedural issues. 
Is there some reason you want to ask questions on a PR and not address 
them with the developer or me?


Why do you expect mentors to be active in github? I am not a developer 
and have no intention to become one. I am a user of Sugar and support 
its use at a number of sites. I would like Sugar to provide certain 
features which I think will make it more useful.


Tony





On 07/10/2016 06:06 PM, Sebastian Silva wrote:


El 10/07/16 a las 10:58, Tony Anderson escribió:

Hi,

In this private email, I want to express my disappointment that there
is only a discussion of procedure, not of substance. This appears to be a
current habit in our community.

You have both expressed concerns about the Sazve As feature in the PR
itself (One would think these comments would be sent to the developer
and in the context of GSOC, to the mentors. I would like ot make
certain your questions have been answered safisfactorally, if you
would take the time to reply to the point of the communication and not
to how it was done.


One would expect mentors to be active in Github. The response on
procedure was because it was bad procedure. You seem to enjoy doing
that, and at the same time avoid channels where people actually do the
work. I can't keep up with private threads, sorry. Please subscribe to
the relevant Sugar github channels. I tried to mention you but could not
find your github username anywhere (I guess it's buried in a private email).
.



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Re: [IAEP] Save as

[Sebastian Silva]

El 10/07/16 a las 10:34, Tony Anderson escribió:
> It is hard to describe 'Untitled' as an innovation since it is used by
> major applications everywhere. 
I speak in the context of Sugar
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Re: [IAEP] Save as

[Tony Anderson]

It is hard to describe 'Untitled' as an innovation since it is used by 
major applications everywhere.


Tony


On 07/10/2016 02:51 PM, Sebastian Silva wrote:


Tony,

Please don't write in private.

"Untitled" is an innovation. Currently untitled documents carry the 
activity name.



El 10/07/16 a las 07:04, Tony Anderson escribió:

Hi, All

I don't understand why this has to be so difficult. If you have ever 
used an MS Office or Libre Office application, you know that you have 
the option to save and the option to save as. This means that you can 
'save', overwriting the document stored on disk (updating it) or save 
as, meaning you can store it as a new document with the name and 
location of your choosing.


In the case of Sugar, the document will be stored in the Journal so 
the user has no need or opportunity to choose a location. However, 
there is still a need to be able to 'save' or 'save as' .


Consider:

You open Paint and create a red X and save it as x. Then you open x 
and change the image to a blue O. You want to save it as O, so you 
change the name.

Now try to open X. It is gone.

Suppose you open Paint to show someone how to select a brush and give 
it a color. You scribble something. When asked for a name, you click 
on 'quit' because there is not need to save this image.


The alert should be simple:

*Please give your project a title.   [Untitled] Save Quit*

The default title is 'Untitled' not 'Write.activity'. If the user 
clicks save with the title unchanged, it is ignored. If the user 
clicks on Quit, the activity quits (with no save of the Document - 
but the metadata is saved). if the user resumes an activity the alert 
shows:


*Change the title to save as a new document[X]  Save Quit*

 The user changes the title [X] to [Y]. Then Save saves Y to the 
Journal and X is still in the Journal as well. If the user doesn't 
change and clicks Save, the X object is deleted and the new X version 
is saved. if the user clicks on Quit - the document is not saved, the 
original X document is in the Journal

and the activity quits.

Tony





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[IAEP] [SAVE THE DATE] Rendez-vous à Paris

[Lionel Laské]

Hi all,

We'll be please to welcome you in Paris on April 12 and 13th 2014 for the
SugarCamp Paris #3.

During two days, we'll do the best to offer you the greatest event and
ensure that Paris we'll be the center of the OLPC/Sugar community !
We expect that you could be a lot to join us.

Best regards from Paris.

Lionel.


P.S.: We'll give you more detail during next months.
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