Re: LOGR for Dummies?

2005-06-22 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
Why do you fear Logr records will be lost?
If you specify AUTODELETE(NO) and RETPD(0), Logr will delete records as CICS
indicates, not by its own decisions.

If you want to backup your logstream data, I wonder what you can do with the
backups.

Kees.

McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
 I've been told that another sysprog was given a method by the ex-CICS
sysprog on how to ensure that no LOGR records were lost. Apparently he has
gone a round tuit yet. Below is the JCL which unloads the LOGR for one of
the regions. I will wait to see what the appropriate method to ensure no
loss of records is. He may suggest your method. However, I wonder about it
efficacy due to the fact that this job is running while the CICS is up .
I.e. the two steps may get different records because more records could be
added after the first, non-delete, copy is run. No, we cannot take the
region down. Not even at 02:30 hours. This is a political decision, not a
technical one. Hopefully nobody is doing anything at 02:30, but I wouldn't
guarantee it. 
 
 //CPYDFH5A  EXEC PGM=FILESAVE
 //STEPLIB  DD DISP=SHR,DSN=SYS3.FILESAVE.PROD.LOADLIB
 // DD DISP=SHR,DSN=SYS3.FILESAVE.V4R0.LOADLIB
 // DD DISP=SHR,DSN=SYS3.ICEAM1.SICELINK  ALLOW DYNALLOC=OFF
 //DFSPARM DD *


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What is driver 55k in z machines ?

2005-06-22 Thread Max Scarpa
I'm applying a PSP for a new machine (z890-460). In documentation I found
many times references to 'Driver 55K'. As I'm not a z/OS sysprog, can
anyone explain me what it is ? A piece of HW ?

Thank in advance

Max Scarpa
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Re: What is driver 55k in z machines ?

2005-06-22 Thread גדי בן אבי
This is the level of the microcode for the machine. 

Ask your IBM tech if you already have it installed, and if not ask him to 
install it.

Gadu 

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I'm applying a PSP for a new machine (z890-460). In documentation I found many 
times references to 'Driver 55K'. As I'm not a z/OS sysprog, can anyone explain 
me what it is ? A piece of HW ?

Thank in advance

Max Scarpa
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Re: What is driver 55k in z machines ?

2005-06-22 Thread John Cassidy
http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/pso/cftable.html

You should really get off your fingers and use Google.




 I'm applying a PSP for a new machine (z890-460). In documentation I found
 many times references to 'Driver 55K'. As I'm not a z/OS sysprog, can
 anyone explain me what it is ? A piece of HW ?

 Thank in advance

 Max Scarpa
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Re: What is driver 55k in z machines ?

2005-06-22 Thread John Cassidy
Been awake since 05:40 actually, never heard of someone in our business
without web access. Must be a heavy outfit you are with.

End sssn


 Thank you for your replies.

 snip
 You should really get off your fingers and use Google.
 end snip

 If I had an access to web for sure I'd have done it. I'm not able to
 googlesearch via e-mail. Sorry if I woke you up.

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Re: Upgrading from z/900 to z/990 and Cisco CIP HCD Definitions

2005-06-22 Thread Boruk, Phyllis
Is it possible that the CIP routers that are configured as SCTCs/RS6K are
not running CSNA?  IP will will work with either one and we are trying to
figure out if we need to change our HCD for a DR on Z990s. We have been
having problems at DR testing with CSNA and CIP microcode is at 28-18.

Thanks 

Phyllis Boruk 



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Hello Mark,

I dont see why they say that.

I still have Cisco CIP routers connected to my boxes...

I haven't changed their definitions, even though we have upgraded from
9672's to z900's to z990s.

I have both 3172 and SCTC coded for different connections.

They work...so I cant justify changing them.

On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 03:54:32 -0700, Mark T. Regan, K8MTR netsfw-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

We will be upgrading from a z/900 to a z/990 next month and we still have
some Cisco CIP
cards to support for one of our customers. I asked Cisco if their CIP
cards support the z/990, and
they said yes, but they added:


However from the M/F point of view you may have to define the HCD CIP
definitions as 3172.
Apparently with some of the new processors you can't define the CIP links
as CTC or RS6K only as
3172.

Currently we have them defined as SCTC and they are connected via ESCON
Director switches.
Does anyone if we will have to change UNIT= setting or not?

Thanks.

Regards
Bruce Hewson

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Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Perryman, Brian
Hi folks
 
Our developers are getting IGYPS0157-E and IGYPS0158E messages when they try 
and compile a CICS COBOL program on z/OS 1.4 in Enterprise Cobol of z/OS and 
OS/390 V3.2.
 
I can't find these blasted messages documented anywhere!! Is there some 
convoluted format for decoding them?
 
I suspect it's just a COBOL options member problem, but I need to see the 
message description. It only seems to happen when the CICS precompiler (CICS 
4.1.0) is included first.
 
The texts of the messages are:
 
IGYPS0157-E   A shift-out was found in column 50 without a matching shift-in in 
a nonnumeric or national literal.  The literal was processed as written.

IGYPS0158-E   A nonnumeric or national literal containing double-byte 
characters was found which exceeded the maximum literal length or reached end 
of area B before terminating.  A literal delimiter was placed at column 72 of 
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Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Tribble, Robert
look here:
http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21163906

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Hi folks
 
Our developers are getting IGYPS0157-E and IGYPS0158E messages when they try 
and compile a CICS COBOL program on z/OS 1.4 in Enterprise Cobol of z/OS and 
OS/390 V3.2.
 
I can't find these blasted messages documented anywhere!! Is there some 
convoluted format for decoding them?
 
I suspect it's just a COBOL options member problem, but I need to see the 
message description. It only seems to happen when the CICS precompiler (CICS 
4.1.0) is included first.
 
The texts of the messages are:
 
IGYPS0157-E   A shift-out was found in column 50 without a matching shift-in in 
a nonnumeric or national literal.  The literal was processed as written.

IGYPS0158-E   A nonnumeric or national literal containing double-byte 
characters was found which exceeded the maximum literal length or reached end 
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Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Jousma, David
Brian,

It has to do with the CICS Translator option you
Are using, not COBOL option.  I think the correct option is now 
COBOL3, but my mind is a little rusty on the topic.

Dave 



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Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Perryman, Brian
Thanks Dave, I'll probably try that too!

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RES: How to know the z/OS version by TSO login.

2005-06-22 Thread ITURIEL DO NASCIMENTO NETO
In ISPF (PDF), enter option 7.3 (Dialog Test and Variables) and
look for ZOS390RL variable. It contains your level of operating
system.


Atenciosamente / Regards / Saludos

Ituriel do Nascimento Neto
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-Mensagem original-
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de Bo Xie
Enviada em: segunda-feira, 20 de junho de 2005 23:24
Para: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Assunto: How to know the z/OS version by TSO login.


Hi,
  
   Someone told me to type in D IPLINFO in master console to know
the z/OS version.  But I can not touch the master console and get the
following errors by TSO login:
-
 READY
D IPLINFO 
 IKJ56500I COMMAND D NOT FOUND
 READY
/D IPLINFO
 IKJ56621I INVALID COMMAND NAME SYNTAX
 READY
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How to know the z/OS version by TSO login? Thank you!

Best Regards,
Xie Bo

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Re: What is driver 55k in z machines ?

2005-06-22 Thread Ted MacNEIL
...
I'm applying a PSP for a new machine (z890-460). In documentation I found
many times references to 'Driver 55K'. As I'm not a z/OS sysprog, can
anyone explain me what it is ? A piece of HW ?
...

It's the level of the code in the HMC.
They have to be at specified levels to support new(er) z/BOXen.

-teD
(The secret to success is sincerity.
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Re: ICSF

2005-06-22 Thread Gabriel Tully
Hi,

  Make sure that the SRVCLASS of ICSF is set to SYSSTC or something
high.  We had a problem that caused an outage because the performance
and tuning group set the task's SRVCLASS below our onlines' SRVCLASS. 
This was fine until CPU reached 100% and ICSF stopped getting
dispatched.  This prevented several tasks from using ICSF's services
which hosed up production.

Gabe

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Re: Name/Token Services in COBOL?

2005-06-22 Thread Walt Farrell

On 6/21/2005 5:29 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote:

Not to mention the other language copy members there (IEANTC, IEANTPAS,
IEANTPLI).

BTW, the C language sample in SYS1.SAMPLIB(IEANTC) has an error in the
#pragma's for the 64-bit IEANT functions:

They are each declared as linkage(...,OS64_NOSTACK), but OS64_NOSTACK is
not a supported option of #pragma linkage in the IBM C compiler.

To whom does a simple application programmer like myself complain about this
erroneous sample?  How do I get a corrected sample into SYS1.SAMPLIB the
next time my sysprogs refresh/update the system?  Not that I'm doing any
64-bit work in C yet, I just want the compiler warning eliminated.



Members of SYS1.SAMPLIB are (in my experience) generally APARable, so 
you would probably ask your system programmer to contact the IBM Support 
Center and open a defect PMR.


Walt

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Re: Washington Post: 40 Million Credit Card #s Hacked

2005-06-22 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 06/21/2005
   at 08:23 PM, Tony Babonas [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

Not true,

The fact that you lucked out doesn't mean that it's safe to inhale the
stuff. An EDS employee had to be treated after going back[1] into the
computer room to turn off the system.

[1] On his own initiative. It's easier to get forgiveness than to get
permission.
 
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Re: HALON et al

2005-06-22 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 06/22/2005
   at 11:41 AM, Shane Ginnane [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

I can only own up to being in 2. In neither case was I affected by 
the gas - I was out the door as soon as I heard it drop.
*VERY* good incentive to get moving.

Shane 

IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on
22/06/2005 11:23:25 AM:

 Not true, I've been in 3 HALON dumps back in the days it was THE 
method for computer room FS.  One must exit quickly as it will make 
you short of breath at high enough concentrations since it displaces 
oxygen.

Don't assume that it's safe just because the two of you lucked out. An
EDS employee had to get medical care after going back[1] into the
machine room to turn off the equipment.

[1] At his own initiative; I doubt that he would have been allowed to
had he announced his intentions up front.
 
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Re: Name/Token Services in COBOL?

2005-06-22 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
Thanks, Walt.  I'll try that route.

Peter

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Members of SYS1.SAMPLIB are (in my experience) generally APARable, so 
you would probably ask your system programmer to contact the IBM Support 
Center and open a defect PMR.

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Re: Downgrade 9672

2005-06-22 Thread Larry Kraus
 Yes, you can pay IBM $5,000 to $10,000 dollars to make it an R16, R26,
etc.

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Hi Listers,

  We have an IBM 9672-R56 hardware. Is there any way we can downsize it

 to a lower capacity so that we can use it for testing.
 We understand that IBM has dropped marketing support for this
 hardware.

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Re: Hardware DASD design question.

2005-06-22 Thread Bill Fairchild
 
In a message dated 6/22/2005 7:23:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Only  certain drives. The S/360 DASD and the original S/370 DASD did
not have  skip displacement, although they did have alternate  tracks.




IIRC, the 3330 was the first DASD that had skip displacements.  Before  
leaving the factory, a new disk was subjected to rigorous testing in a very  
sensitive environment.  If a bad spot was found on a track that was small  
enough to 
be covered by skip defects, one or more defective spots were indicated  on 
the track by recording their offset from the track's index point in special  
2-byte fields called skip displacements.  The controller had logic to look  for 
this info on the track and, if found, it would automatically skip over the  
defective spots thus marked.  If a defective spot was too large to be  covered 
by 
all possible skip defects on one track, then an alternate track might  be 
assigned or, if the platter had too many such tracks, the entire platter  would 
be rejected.  All skip defects found and assigned in the factory were  recorded 
in the diagnostic tracks area, accessible only to authorized  programs.  The 
max number of defects per track grew larger over the  years as recording 
densities got higher.  I think the 3330 had one, 3340s  and 3350s had three, 
and 
3375s, 3380s, and 3390s allowed up to seven skip  defects per track.
 
But all that is arcane virtual history now, as no new SLED 3390s have been  
manufactured by any vendor for many years.  Only RAIDed FBAs are  produced now.
 
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Re: Downgrade 9672

2005-06-22 Thread Steve Arnett
I am not sure if it would be worth it, but you could contact a third party
vendor and see if you could trade down.  Instead of paying money. you might
be able to get paid for the downgrade.  However, since you could probably
buy an R16 or R26 for $ 5,000, the net difference may not pay for the
shipping and CE services for the install.

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Re: HALON et al

2005-06-22 Thread Bill Fairchild
 
In a message dated 6/22/2005 7:24:23 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Not  true, I've been in 3 HALON dumps back in the days it was THE  
method for computer room FS.  One must exit quickly as it  will make 
you short of breath at high enough concentrations since  it displaces 
oxygen.



I was in a controlled carbon dioxide dump in a computer room once.   You have 
10 to 15 seconds to exit the room before you can no longer see, as the  CO2 
darkens and you could no longer find your way to the door.  Also, the  CO2 will 
suffocate you in a few minutes if you don't get out.  It was an  interesting 
and tense few seconds.
 
Bill Fairchild

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Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Bill Klein
If you didn't upgrade your COBOL as well as z/OS, then I would be REALLY
surprised in this change occurring.  The COBOL documentation talks about the
change from NODBCS to DBCS as the default compiler option - in newer
releases of Enterprise COBOL.  There should ALSO be a change from FLAG(I) to
FLAG(I,I) so that these messages SHOULD have appeared in the source code
exactly by the line that had the problem.

FYI,
  What the change from NODBCS to DBCS means is that *if* you have hex OD
and OE in your alphanumeric literals, they are treated as DBCS control
characters.

NOTE WELL:
  COBOL compiler messages (IGY) are *not* documented; they are
self-documenting.  If your application programmers can't figure out these
specific messages, I would suggest additional training for them.  If they
don't know WHY they are getting the messages now (but not before), then I
suggest you provide them references to the COBOL Migration Guide which does
talk about such changes (NODBCS to DBCS). 

Finally, it does sound as if you may want to switch your site default to
NODBCS - unless you also have DBCS applications.  The difference between
COBOL2 and COBOL3 compiler options MAY influence some of this, but isn't the
real problem with these messages.

Perryman, Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
i.com...
 Hi folks
  
 Our developers are getting IGYPS0157-E and IGYPS0158E messages when they
try and compile a CICS COBOL program on z/OS 1.4 in Enterprise Cobol of z/OS
and OS/390 V3.2.
  
 I can't find these blasted messages documented anywhere!! Is there some
convoluted format for decoding them?
  
 I suspect it's just a COBOL options member problem, but I need to see the
message description. It only seems to happen when the CICS precompiler (CICS
4.1.0) is included first.
  
 The texts of the messages are:
  
 IGYPS0157-E   A shift-out was found in column 50 without a matching
shift-in in a nonnumeric or national literal.  The literal was processed as
written.
 
 IGYPS0158-E   A nonnumeric or national literal containing double-byte
characters was found which exceeded the maximum literal length or reached
end of area B before terminating.  A literal delimiter was placed at
column 72 of line 
 

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Re: Supported interface to set/retrieve TCBUSER field NON-authorized?

2005-06-22 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
Rolf,

Sorry for the delayed reply, but I did not see your message until I browsed
the newsgroup today.  I normally only read from the mailing list.

That's an interesting hack, thanks for the info.  It never hurts to have
another tool in your back pocket for when it is needed.

Peter

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From: Rolf Ernst
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 22:45:51 -0500
Subject: Re: Supported interface to set/retrieve TCBUSER field
NON-authorized?
To:

Let me suggest the old hat trick for anchoring a bit of information by TCB
then:

Pick up the TCBFSA point off the TCB off PSATOLD. This is key 8 storage

unless there are highly unusual circumstances. Pick any reasonable register
from 2-12 in this save area.

It is a bit of a hack since you do not know whether anunpody else executing
under this TCB will use this save area location but if you have a pretty
good idea under which environment you are executing - it will do.

Something like

L R1,PSATOLD
L R1,TCBFSA-TCB(,R1)
ST R2,28(,R1)

would save the contents of R2 in the first save area. This will do no harm
when returning control to the attacher.

Albeit, it's a hack.

/re

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Re: Downgrade 9672

2005-06-22 Thread Michael Ross
At that price it would make more sense to do it yourself! How on earth do
IBM arrive at that figure? Or you could buy a used R16 etc. for less money -
 try ebay!

Mike

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 Yes, you can pay IBM $5,000 to $10,000 dollars to make it an R16, R26,
etc.

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Hi Listers,

  We have an IBM 9672-R56 hardware. Is there any way we can downsize it

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z/OS stand-alone dump

2005-06-22 Thread jason lowe
What the name of manual that contain information for stand-alone dump for 
z/OS 1.4?


Jason Lowe - Mainframe Systems  - Cornell Information Technologies
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Re: Downgrade 9672

2005-06-22 Thread SArnett
I remnember Texas Tech getting a speed upgrade to there 370/145 back 
in the 70's.  It consisted of the CE removing three loops from the 145's 
microcode.  The price tag for this upgrade?  A cool $ 50K!


Michael Ross wrote:


At that price it would make more sense to do it yourself! How on earth do
IBM arrive at that figure? Or you could buy a used R16 etc. for less money -
try ebay!

Mike

On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:44:47 -0400, Larry Kraus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 


Yes, you can pay IBM $5,000 to $10,000 dollars to make it an R16, R26,
etc.

-Original Message-
Hi Listers,

   


We have an IBM 9672-R56 hardware. Is there any way we can downsize it
 



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Re: z/OS stand-alone dump

2005-06-22 Thread Lizette Koehler
Jason,

If you mean the basics -
z/OS V1R4.0 MVS Diagnosis: Tools and Service Aids

Otherwise, you could use the online bookmgr z/OS 1.4 bookshelf and search
for what you are looking for:
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/Shelves/IEA2BK34

Lizette Koehler

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z/OS 1.4?

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Re: SMPE - copying products to new Global Zone

2005-06-22 Thread DeFabritus, Peter [NCSUS Non-JJ]
On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 10:04:24 -0400, Martin, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

Hi all,

Let's say I have a Global zone with products A and B.

During the install of a new version for product B, I decide to create a
new Global CSI (for product B).

How can I update this new Global CSI with the information about product
A, so I can delete the old Global CSI?

Mike Martin


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Re: Supported interface to set/retrieve TCBUSER field NON-authori zed?

2005-06-22 Thread Knutson, Sam
For vendors there has been a viable alternative to CVTUSER or RYO techniques
for a while now.  IBM can assign a slot in the vendor nee customer CVT table
anchored from the ECVT.

ECVTCTBL DCV(CSRCTABL) Customer anchor table.
*  Slots assigned by IBM.
*  Ownership: Callable Services. 


See

http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9812L=ibm-mainP=R92723I=1


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From IBM's perspective the installation is the user. TCBUSER is available to
the installation[1]; it was never intended for end users. Similarly for
CVTUSER.

[1] Not 3rd party software vendors, treading on each other's heels.
 
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What's the 2nd level system for z/VM or z/OS?

2005-06-22 Thread Bo Xie
Hi,
The following sentences include 2nd level,but I don't know what it is.
---
login to system:
   IF running on 2nd level:
  Login as xxx
  NOTE:  When first IPL-ed, you need to change the password.
  So for password, enter:  aaa
  and then change it to:   bbb
   IF running on SERVER1:
  login as yyy
---
I guess 2nd level system means IPL a z/OS image from z/VM and
login as IBMUSER. Am I right? Or is there any detailed reference
about it? (I googled but find nothing about it.:( )

Thank you very much!

Best Regards,
Xie Bo

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Re: Downgrade 9672

2005-06-22 Thread Ted MacNEIL
...
However, since you could probably
buy an R16 or R26 for $ 5,000, the net difference may not pay for the
shipping and CE services for the install
...

The net software difference may.
But, I recall one ISV (from Islandia NY)
Who would not refund any money.
Just gave out credits, which were useless unless you bought more product.
(Not an increase in existing)

-teD
(The secret to success is sincerity.
If you can fake that,
you've got it made!)

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Re: Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Steve Comstock

Bill Klein wrote:

If you didn't upgrade your COBOL as well as z/OS, then I would be REALLY
surprised in this change occurring.  The COBOL documentation talks about the
change from NODBCS to DBCS as the default compiler option - in newer
releases of Enterprise COBOL.  There should ALSO be a change from FLAG(I) to
FLAG(I,I) so that these messages SHOULD have appeared in the source code
exactly by the line that had the problem.

FYI,
  What the change from NODBCS to DBCS means is that *if* you have hex OD
and OE in your alphanumeric literals, they are treated as DBCS control
characters.



And I can't figure out why they made that change,
since DBCS is, supposedly, on its eventual way
out, to be replaced by NATIONAL (Unicode). Any
idea why the default was changed? Especially since
the vast majority of US shops do not even use
DBCS data?



NOTE WELL:
  COBOL compiler messages (IGY) are *not* documented; they are
self-documenting.  If your application programmers can't figure out these
specific messages, I would suggest additional training for them.  


Thanks, Bill, I think. But I agree with another
poster who suggested perhaps some messages are
not as self-documenting as the compiler writers
think they are. Maybe some training on English?

I guess the kind of training we (and, presumably
other training vendors) offer on COBOL would
provide the background for programmers to be
more likely to understand the messages.


If they

don't know WHY they are getting the messages now (but not before), then I
suggest you provide them references to the COBOL Migration Guide which does
talk about such changes (NODBCS to DBCS). 


Finally, it does sound as if you may want to switch your site default to
NODBCS - unless you also have DBCS applications.  The difference between
COBOL2 and COBOL3 compiler options MAY influence some of this, but isn't the
real problem with these messages.



Again, why the IBM-supplied compiler default was changed to
DBCS is a mystery. Or at least a curiosity.

Kind regards,

-Steve Comstock
The Trainer's Friend, Inc.
http://www.trainersfriend.com

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Re: Downgrade 9672

2005-06-22 Thread Michael Ross
On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 09:35:14 -0500, SArnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I remnember Texas Tech getting a speed upgrade to there 370/145 back
in the 70's.  It consisted of the CE removing three loops from the 145's
microcode.  The price tag for this upgrade?  A cool $ 50K!

Pretty extortionate... I'm sure there are third-party companies that did/do
this kind of thing a hell of a lot cheaper than IBM...

Mike

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Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread John Mattson
Cobol decided that its internal messages were SO wonderful that 
they no longer needed a messages manual.  Yes, really.  I found this by 
opening a PMR with IBM. 
You can run the following program (Cobol 3.3) : 
//RUNIVP EXEC IGYWCLG,PARM.COBOL=RENT,REGION=0M, 
// PARM.LKED='LIST,XREF,LET,MAP' 
//GO.SYSOUT DD SYSOUT=* 
//*COBOL.SYSIN DD DISP=SHR,DSN=IGY.V3R3M0.SIGYSAMP(IGYIVP) 
//COBOL.SYSIN DD * 
IDENTIFICATION DIVISION. 
PROGRAM-ID.   ERRMSG.   
/* 
And it will create a listing of all of the messages that cobol can 
do. 
However, I looked in my listing for the IGYPS messages and I 
couldn't find them.   So I recommend you open a PMR with IBM. 

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Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
Yeah, but unfortunately all this does is give a dump of the messages.  No
further information beyond what you get when the message happens for real.
Some of those messages don't make a whole lot of sense - even if they're
supposed to be written so well they don't need further explanation.

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Cobol decided that its internal messages were SO wonderful that 
they no longer needed a messages manual.  Yes, really.  I found this by 
opening a PMR with IBM. 
You can run the following program (Cobol 3.3) : 
//RUNIVP EXEC IGYWCLG,PARM.COBOL=RENT,REGION=0M, 
// PARM.LKED='LIST,XREF,LET,MAP' 
//GO.SYSOUT DD SYSOUT=* 
//*COBOL.SYSIN DD DISP=SHR,DSN=IGY.V3R3M0.SIGYSAMP(IGYIVP) 
//COBOL.SYSIN DD * 
IDENTIFICATION DIVISION. 
PROGRAM-ID.   ERRMSG.   
/* 
And it will create a listing of all of the messages that cobol can 
do. 
However, I looked in my listing for the IGYPS messages and I 
couldn't find them.   So I recommend you open a PMR with IBM. 

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Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Perryman, Brian
In many cases it's not a description of the message that's needed, it's what 
caused it and what your subsequent options for fixing it are that's needed.

I can see that most of the messages from a compiler would indeed be 
self-documenting and quite rightly so, particularly since the reader is 
probably the programmer and therefore the one that caused the error situation 
to occur. 

Messages alerting of errors caused by external events are a different ball game 
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Re: HALON et al

2005-06-22 Thread Joel C. Ewing
Both Halon (which was bad for the Ozone layer) and a more 
environmentally friendly replacement 1,1,1,2,3,3,3-heptafluoro-propane 
(manufactured under names such as HFC-227ea, FM-200, FE-227) have a 
minimum concentration at which they will suppress fires, and a higher 
concentration at which they become toxic.  If I remember correctly, the 
size of the effective, nontoxic range is not that large, and smaller for 
Halon than HFC-227ea.  IF the fire suppression system is properly 
designed and sized for the area covered, concentrations would not be 
toxic; but, I have also read such things as possible effects of 
long-term exposure to lower level concentrations of HFC-227 are not well 
understood, so erring on the side of caution where possible sounds 
advisable.


More importantly, if these chemicals are discharged because a fire is in 
progress, chemical byproducts of the combustion itself and the 
byproducts of the reaction of the fire suppressant with the fire ARE 
most likely toxic and exposure should be avoided.


I don't remember how Halon functions, but my understanding of HFC-227ea 
is that in contact with fire it undergoes a chemical reaction that both 
absorbs heat and also consumes some oxygen at the point of the fire, and 
the combination of these extinguishes the fire.  I think the effective 
fire suppression concentration of HFC-227 is somewhere in the 5% - 10% 
range (maybe less), so at worst only 10% of the air is displaced and the 
reduction in oxygen concentration in the room caused by the chemical 
discharge would be relatively minor, say from 20% down to 18%.


Shane Ginnane wrote:

I can only own up to being in 2.
In neither case was I affected by the gas - I was out the door as soon as I
heard it drop.
*VERY* good incentive to get moving.

Shane 
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 22/06/2005
11:23:25 AM:

Not true, I've been in 3 HALON dumps back in the days it was THE method

for

computer room FS.  One must exit quickly as it will make you short of

breath

at high enough concentrations since it displaces oxygen.
I can best describe the experience as running at 10,000 feet elevation.




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Re: SMPE - copying products to new Global Zone

2005-06-22 Thread Alan C. Field
SMP BUILDMCS?? 



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Hi all,

Let's say I have a Global zone with products A and B.

During the install of a new version for product B, I decide to create a
new Global CSI (for product B).

How can I update this new Global CSI with the information about product
A, so I can delete the old Global CSI?

Mike Martin



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Re: DASD and Mirroring

2005-06-22 Thread Hal Merritt
Ron - Thank you for your follow up. I thought that Skip was making a
point about the importance of the role of the application. If not, then
I must respectfully *disagree* with Skip. 

I am concerned that many still cling to the misperception that a 'fuzzy'
copy is acceptable as is. As you very correctly point out, a 'fuzzy'
copy is ok if, and only if, the application suite expects and deals with
such. 

Hal. 

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Hal,

I'm not so certain that you are agreeing to the same point that Skip is
making. I take Skip's point as meaning that the success of any Remote
Copy
design requires attention to the creation of IO consistency in the event
of
a failure.

On the other hand your point to me applies to the ability of an
application
to recover from an abrupt failure, independent of whether Remote Copy is
used or not. 

The ability to restart an application or a batch stream is not a
delivered
by Remote Copy. If a site fails the Online and Batch must recover in the
same manner irrespective of whether the systems restart in the original
centre, or fails over to the DR Centre. The open files may be recovered,
deleted, rolled-back/forward, etc - whatever is required to get started.


Disk Mirroring delivers a customer the same restart ability in both
sites,
providing IO Consistency is also delivered by the Remote Copy
architecture.
It doesn't matter whether restart is in the original copy or the
mirrored
copy, open datasets should already be dealt with by the application.

Ron

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Re: Name/Token Services in COBOL?

2005-06-22 Thread Peter Relson
They are each declared as linkage(...,OS64_NOSTACK), but OS64_NOSTACK is
not a supported option of #pragma linkage in the IBM C compiler.

I am told that the z/OS 1.5 compiler and up should support this option
(though perhaps it is not properly documented).
If true, that obviously doesn't do you any good if you're on z/OS 1.4 or
earlier.

Peter Relson
z/OS Core Technology Design

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Re: Washington Post: 40 Million Credit Card #s Hacked

2005-06-22 Thread R.S.

Edward E. Jaffe wrote:

R.S. wrote:


Timothy Sipples wrote:



I think it's Windows Key-K (or something like that). But a lot of 
keyboards don't have Windows keys (good!), and it's obscure anyway. 




...and there are lot of localised versions of Windows. K doesn't 
work in polish version, while Ctrl-Alt-Del and then ENTER is 
international.




It's not Windows+K ... it's Windows+L. And Ctrl+Alt+Del is no longer 
international. On my Windows XP SP2 desktops at both home and office, 
this keystroke does nothing more than bring up the Windows XP Task Manager.


Windows-L doesn't work in polish version also.
Ctrl-Alt-Del invokes menu with defaulted option LOCK. So sequence of 
keyestrokes: Ctrl-Alt-Del and then ENTER locks any Windows (NT) 
computer, regardless of localisation.

I didn't mean reboot machine, absolutely.

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Re: ICSF

2005-06-22 Thread R.S.

Mark Zelden wrote:


On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:49:22 -0500, Ward, Mike S [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



The usage domains do match the LPARs. That was a recommendation that I
found in the Installation Redbook. One other thing. If I set up the keys
in 1 LPAR can the other LPAR use them or do I have to go through the
process for each LPAR?




Since the LPARs are on the same CEC (box), then you don't have to
do anything.  If they were on separate CECs, then you would go through
the same process to load the master keys, but you don't re-init
the CKDS (INIT CKDS == N).


Do you mean ICSF initialization ?
IMHO it doesn't matter same CEC or no. You have to initialize ICSF on 
every LPAR independently. In fact initialization process consist of 
entering master keys and optionally initialization CKDS/PKDS. If you 
want to share the keys, then you should share CKDS/PKDS and enter the 
same master keys on every LPAR (CEC doesn't matter) using it.

HTH
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Re: Name/Token Services in COBOL?

2005-06-22 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
Thanks, Peter, and yes, we are at z/OS 1.4.  So why should 1.4 SAMPLIB have
1.5-only content?  Is that still APAR-able?

Peter

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They are each declared as linkage(...,OS64_NOSTACK), but OS64_NOSTACK 
is not a supported option of #pragma linkage in the IBM C compiler.

I am told that the z/OS 1.5 compiler and up should support this option
(though perhaps it is not properly documented). If true, that obviously
doesn't do you any good if you're on z/OS 1.4 or earlier.

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COBOL compiler messages (was: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Bill Klein
I started a project that I never finished (much less updated for the latest
compiler).  If you check  out my web page at:

  http://home.comcast.net/~wmklein/IBM/ErrMsg.htm

It has an annotated version of the ERRMSG output - with a link to the
place in the COBOL documentation that relates to the specific error message.

ALL of these messages are self-documenting in MY opinion, but I do
understand non-COBOL programmer SysProgs having problems with them.

If you find my page useful (but incomplete) please send me private email -
and I'll put it back on my more active to-do list.

   wmklein at ix.netcom.com

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i.com...
 In many cases it's not a description of the message that's needed, it's
what caused it and what your subsequent options for fixing it are that's
needed.
 
 I can see that most of the messages from a compiler would indeed be
self-documenting and quite rightly so, particularly since the reader is
probably the programmer and therefore the one that caused the error
situation to occur. 
 
 Messages alerting of errors caused by external events are a different ball
game however and should flipping well be documented!

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CICS, COBOL, COBOL2, COBOL3, and DBCS (was: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Bill Klein
The COBOL2 CICS Translator option was removed from CICS TS and then
re-introduced by APAR PQ84313.  It is my understanding that if you use
COBOL3, then you can use either the DBCS or NODBCS compiler option - but
that with older COBOL and COBOL2 translator options, you will have
problems with using the DBCS compiler option.

Recommendation(s):
   Make certain that you use a supported translator - and if you need/want
COBOL2 support that you have APAR PQ84313 installed.
   Use COBOL3 for translating any currently supported COBOL compiler
source code.

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DBCS as the default (was: Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Bill Klein
Steve Comstock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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snip
 And I can't figure out why they made that change,
 since DBCS is, supposedly, on its eventual way
 out, to be replaced by NATIONAL (Unicode). Any
 idea why the default was changed? Especially since
 the vast majority of US shops do not even use
 DBCS data?
 

NSYMBOL(National) *requires* (forces on) DBCS, so actually having/allowing
the DBCS option is a pre-requisite for having Unicode support.

There are some long and painful internal discussions (between myself and
the IBM ANSI COBOL rep) and within the J4 group about exactly what is
Standard conforming behavior when you have control characters within an
alphanumeric literal.  I won't go into them here, but I semi-understand the
IBM position that ALLOWING national character strings within an
alphanumeric literal is a good thing when you MAY use X0E type notation
*if* you want to have those x'0d' and  x'0e' within literals.

The change in defaults WAS highlighted in announcements, migration guides,
and installation material - but what its IMPLICATIONS were - are probably
unclear to most programmers (application or systems).

As stated in another note, if you use the COBOL3 CICS translator option, you
will never have a problem with this (for CICS generated code) and the amount
of user code with hex 0E and 0D intentionally within NON-DBCS
alphanumeric literals is so small that I suspect this should not be a major
problem.

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Re: Removal of FMID

2005-06-22 Thread Michael Cleary
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:17:17 -0500, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
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In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01/27/2005
   at 08:05 AM, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

RESTORE very much presumes you haven't done an ACCEPT.  ACCEPT is
pretty customary for FUNCTIONs.

Correct. Standard way to delete an accepted function is:

 1. RECEIVE, APPLY, ACCEPT a dummy sysmod to delete function.

 2. UCLEDIT to delete dummy sysmod.

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Greetings,

Today we were (re)discussing the fact that SMPE has no direct command to
deinstall functions.

I thought that many moons ago I submitted a SHARE requirement to provide
this functionality, but looked today and did not see it on the SHARE
website or in the manuals for SMPE.

Does anyone know of the status of providing this functionality to SMPE?

I can submit another SHARE requirement, if necessary.

Cheers...

Michael

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Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Thomas Conley
- Original Message - 
From: Bill Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 9:53 AM
snip
IGYPS0157-E   A shift-out was found in column 50 without a matching 
shift-in in a nonnumeric or national literal.  The literal was processed as 
written.


IGYPS0158-E   A nonnumeric or national literal containing double-byte 
characters was found which exceeded the maximum literal length or reached 
end of area B before terminating.  A literal delimiter was placed at 
column 72 of line 

snip

NOTE WELL:
 COBOL compiler messages (IGY) are *not* documented; they are
self-documenting.  If your application programmers can't figure out 
these

specific messages, I would suggest additional training for them.  If they
don't know WHY they are getting the messages now (but not before), then I
suggest you provide them references to the COBOL Migration Guide which 
does

talk about such changes (NODBCS to DBCS).


FYI,

This self-documenting stuff is NOT IBM STANDARD!!  IBM's official stance 
on messages is that ALL messages should be documented, with the appropriate 
Programmer and Operator response fields documented.  I had this same 
argument with COBOL level 2 when I called in this problem.  My exact words 
were HTF am I supposed to know that this error message was caused by you 
changing the default from NODBCS to DBCS?  I did submit an RCF for this 
issue.  Maybe someday the idiots in COBOL doc will fix it.


Your premise that the users require additional training is patently absurd, 
as is the suggestion to provide a reference to the COBOL Migration Guide. 
HTF is anybody supposed to know that this error message was caused by 
something discussed in the COBOL Migration Guide?  We had this same fight 
with ISPF messages ages ago, and now there's an ISPF messages manual because 
of it.  COBOL should do the same.


There, I feel better now.

Regards,
Tom Conley 


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Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 06/22/2005
   at 12:41 PM, Perryman, Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

I can't find these blasted messages documented anywhere!!

According to IBM the COBOL messages are self explanatory.

 1. Sure I'll respect you in the morning.

 2. It's okay, Honey, I've had a vasectomy.

 3. The check's in the mail.

 4. The following messages are self explanatory.

The first three are sometimes true. The smart money is against the
last. This nonsense has been going on for decades.

The ironic thing is that the PL/I messages *are* documented but, the
last time that I looked, they were closer to self explanatory than the
COBOL messages.
 
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Re: Hardware DASD design question.

2005-06-22 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 06/22/2005
   at 08:59 AM, Bill Fairchild [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

IIRC, the 3330 was the first DASD that had skip displacements. 

My recollection is that the 3340, 3344 and 3350 were the first. I'll
have to see whether I still have my 3330 manuals.
 
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Re: DBCS as the default (was: Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 mi gration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
Knowing nothing about DBCS or Unicode I have a silly question - is Unicode a
superset of DBCS?  If so, that would explain how you could need to specify 1
or the other, but 1 is required for the other one.  Just an uneducated
idea

Rex

-Original Message-
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To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
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migration question (COBOL)


Bill Klein wrote:
 Steve Comstock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 
 news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
 snip
 
And I can't figure out why they made that change,
since DBCS is, supposedly, on its eventual way
out, to be replaced by NATIONAL (Unicode). Any
idea why the default was changed? Especially since
the vast majority of US shops do not even use
DBCS data?

 
 
 NSYMBOL(National) *requires* (forces on) DBCS, so actually 
 having/allowing the DBCS option is a pre-requisite for having 
 Unicode support.

Ah. Now that is just flat out wrong. The doc says it is
NSYMBOL({NATIONAL|DBCS}) - that is, one or the other.

Ahh, but wait. Same doc under Conflicting Compiler Options, it says
NSYMBOL(NATIONAL) forces on the DBCS compiler option. Now I'm really
confused. Why would you set up a choice of
NSYMBOL({NATIONAL|DBCS}) when setting NATIONAL forces on DBCS?

Very nice.

 
 There are some long and painful internal discussions (between myself 
 and the IBM ANSI COBOL rep) and within the J4 group about exactly what 
 is Standard conforming behavior when you have control characters 
 within an alphanumeric literal.  I won't go into them here, but I 
 semi-understand the IBM position that ALLOWING national character 
 strings within an alphanumeric literal is a good thing when you MAY 
 use X0E type notation
 *if* you want to have those x'0d' and  x'0e' within literals.
 
 The change in defaults WAS highlighted in announcements, migration 
 guides, and installation material - but what its IMPLICATIONS were - 
 are probably unclear to most programmers (application or systems).

Yup.

Kind regards,

-Steve Comstock

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Re: DBCS as the default (was: Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Imbriale, Donald (Exchange)
I think you're confusing the DBCS value of the NSYMBOL option with the
DBCS option.


Don Imbriale

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Behalf
Of Steve Comstock
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 2:36 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: DBCS as the default (was: Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4
migration question (COBOL)

Bill Klein wrote:
 Steve Comstock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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 snip

And I can't figure out why they made that change,
since DBCS is, supposedly, on its eventual way
out, to be replaced by NATIONAL (Unicode). Any
idea why the default was changed? Especially since
the vast majority of US shops do not even use
DBCS data?



 NSYMBOL(National) *requires* (forces on) DBCS, so actually
having/allowing
 the DBCS option is a pre-requisite for having Unicode support.

Ah. Now that is just flat out wrong. The doc says it is
NSYMBOL({NATIONAL|DBCS}) - that is, one or the other.

Ahh, but wait. Same doc under Conflicting Compiler Options,
it says NSYMBOL(NATIONAL) forces on the DBCS compiler option.
Now I'm really confused. Why would you set up a choice of
NSYMBOL({NATIONAL|DBCS}) when setting NATIONAL forces on DBCS?

Very nice.


 There are some long and painful internal discussions (between
myself and
 the IBM ANSI COBOL rep) and within the J4 group about exactly what is
 Standard conforming behavior when you have control characters
within an
 alphanumeric literal.  I won't go into them here, but I
semi-understand the
 IBM position that ALLOWING national character strings within an
 alphanumeric literal is a good thing when you MAY use X0E type
notation
 *if* you want to have those x'0d' and  x'0e' within literals.

 The change in defaults WAS highlighted in announcements, migration
guides,
 and installation material - but what its IMPLICATIONS were - are
probably
 unclear to most programmers (application or systems).

Yup.


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Re: HALON et al

2005-06-22 Thread Ned Hedrick
There is also a product called Inergen -- a mixture of 52% nitrogen, 40% 
argon and 8% carbon dioxide -- that claims to be safe to the environment 
and people.

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Re: HALON et al

2005-06-22 Thread Bill Fairchild
 
In a message dated 6/22/2005 1:37:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Please  watch your attributions; I was not the author of the above.
Stripping the  leading  on quoted material is at best  misleading.



OK.  Sorry.
 
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Re: DBCS as the default (was: Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Steve Comstock

Imbriale, Donald (Exchange) wrote:

I think you're confusing the DBCS value of the NSYMBOL option with the
DBCS option.


Well, it certainly is confusing. But I tried to make it
clear what I was saying is choosing the NATIONAL value
for the NSYMBOL option forces on the DBCS option. And
it still doesn't make any sense. Of course, it probably
is not a good practice to have standalone options the
same as choices for other options.

Kind regards,

-Steve Comstock




Don Imbriale



[snip]



NSYMBOL(National) *requires* (forces on) DBCS, so actually


having/allowing


the DBCS option is a pre-requisite for having Unicode support.


Ah. Now that is just flat out wrong. The doc says it is
NSYMBOL({NATIONAL|DBCS}) - that is, one or the other.

Ahh, but wait. Same doc under Conflicting Compiler Options,
it says NSYMBOL(NATIONAL) forces on the DBCS compiler option.
Now I'm really confused. Why would you set up a choice of
NSYMBOL({NATIONAL|DBCS}) when setting NATIONAL forces on DBCS?

Very nice.



There are some long and painful internal discussions (between


myself and


the IBM ANSI COBOL rep) and within the J4 group about exactly what is
Standard conforming behavior when you have control characters


within an


alphanumeric literal.  I won't go into them here, but I


semi-understand the


IBM position that ALLOWING national character strings within an
alphanumeric literal is a good thing when you MAY use X0E type


notation


*if* you want to have those x'0d' and  x'0e' within literals.

The change in defaults WAS highlighted in announcements, migration


guides,


and installation material - but what its IMPLICATIONS were - are


probably


unclear to most programmers (application or systems).


Yup.




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Re: What is driver 55k in z machines ?

2005-06-22 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 19:37:03 +0200, R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

Max Scarpa wrote:

 I'm applying a PSP for a new machine (z890-460). In documentation I found
 many times references to 'Driver 55K'. As I'm not a z/OS sysprog, can
 anyone explain me what it is ? A piece of HW ?

It is microcode level. Some time ago driver 55 was widely discussed,
but nobody could answer how to check the level. ;-)))
Now I know: Logon to HMC as SERVICE, choose Console Actions and then
choose icon responsible for microcode install/accept/reject. I don't
remember the name of the icon, it's on the top of frame.
First panel displayed will contain the driver level.


You can also sign up for machine information in resource link.

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Re: Hardware DASD design question.

2005-06-22 Thread Bill Fairchild
 
In a message dated 6/22/2005 1:37:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

My  recollection is that the 3340, 3344 and 3350 were the first. I'll
have to  see whether I still have my 3330 manuals.



Could well be.  I hesitated on saying 3330.  I think the 3340 and  3344 had 3 
SDs and the 3350 had 5.  Too many decades ago to remember  clearly.  They 
always seemed to go up by 2 whenever they  increased.  3375/3380/3390s had the 
most - 7 SDs.
 
The way these worked was pretty clever.  The first thing ever  permanently 
recorded on a track is the Home Address.  Once skip  displacements were 
invented, the SDs were saved in a normally unreadable part of  the Home 
Address.  To 
read them in or write them back out, you had to use  the Read/Write Special 
Home Address CCW.  This read in 27 bytes on the 3375  and 28 on 3380/3390, 14 
bytes of which were 7 different 2-byte SDs.  Then  when you wrote R0 after the 
HA, the controller copied the 7 SDs that it found in  the HA into an unreadable 
part of R0 (a glorified count field, IIRC).  Then  whenever you wrote the 
first record after R0, the controller copied the 7 SDs  into an unreadable part 
of 
this new record.  Thus the same 7 SDs were  propagated into each new record 
written on the track, and no matter where you  were on the track when you first 
established orientation, the controller would  have all 7 SDs available the 
next time it sensed any count field.
 
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Re: DBCS as the default (was: Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 mi gration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
And apparently succeeded  ;~)   Thanks for the info.   Rex

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 1:55 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: DBCS as the default (was: Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 mi
gration question (COBOL)


Pommier, Rex R. wrote:
 Knowing nothing about DBCS or Unicode I have a silly question - is 
 Unicode a superset of DBCS?  If so, that would explain how you could 
 need to specify 1 or the other, but 1 is required for the other one.  
 Just an uneducated idea
 
 Rex

Well I know a little about Unicode but hardly
anything about DBCS. I do know that IBM created
DBCS well before the Unicode standard came about.
I don't know if DBCS was ever an official standard
supported by some semi-independent standards
body or if it was just IBM.

I also do not know if the character mappings
are even close.

I do know that DBCS has this concept of shifting
in and out of DBCS mode and Unicode does not do
that at all.

So it doesn't look like they are particularly
related. It looks like IBM was trying to find
some way to add Unicode support and retain
DBCS support for customers who have been using
this for a long time.

As the joke goes, They wanted to do this in
worst possible way ...

Kind regards,

-Steve Comstock

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Re: Downgrade 9672

2005-06-22 Thread Bruce Black
I remnember Texas Tech getting a speed upgrade to there 370/145 back 
in the 70's.  It consisted of the CE removing three loops from the 
145's microcode.  The price tag for this upgrade?  A cool $ 50K! 


I remember a story from long ago: Honeywell had a processed that came in 
single and double speeds, with a price jump.  If you had the slower 
processor and paid to upgrade to the faster, the CE removed a jumper 
that made the clock run at half-speed!  I can't swear this was true, 
could be one of those urban computer myths


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Re: Change control software [for Natural]

2005-06-22 Thread Neil Duffee
Caveat:  I get the daily digest so this might already have been 
suggested...
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At June 21, 2005 14:02, concerning Re: Change control software, 
Natarajan Mohan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote (to Neil Duffee):  

 With respect to the same subject, I would like to know if anybody uses
 any of these change management packages with NATURAL. 

Ah!  This is a different kettle of fish;  provided you mean Natural 
from Software AG.  You'll find the best being N2O from Treehouse 
Software (www.TreeHouse.com) which is even touted above PAC that is 
supplied by SAG themselves.  We've had N2O from, at least, late 80's 
and I've heard another client even performs migrations across LPars 
without complexity or difficulty.

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Re: How to know the z/OS version by TSO login.

2005-06-22 Thread Barry Schwarz
In ISPF 6, issue the command ISPVCALL STATUS

Bo Xie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi,

Someone told me to type in D IPLINFO in master console to know
the z/OS version. But I can not touch the master console and get the
following errors by TSO login:
-
READY 
D IPLINFO 
IKJ56500I COMMAND D NOT FOUND 
READY 
/D IPLINFO 
IKJ56621I INVALID COMMAND NAME SYNTAX 
READY 
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How to know the z/OS version by TSO login? Thank you!

Best Regards,
Xie Bo

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IPLINFO exec alter ego

2005-06-22 Thread Mark Zelden
Hi,

I know there are many users of my IPLINFO exec that monitor this
list so I thought I would post some news about a new feature.

After a recent thread on ISPF-L, I updated IPLINFO to have an alter ego
as a REXX function.  The function execution format can be used to
retrieve up to 10 variables that are used in the exec.  This could
be useful in other rexx code instead of having to copy IPLINFO code
snippets into it (I know others that have done this and I have done
it as well).

For example, the subject of writing a one line message to a data set
about IPL information was mentioned to me recently.  It can now be
done easily using IPLINFO like this:

/* REXX */
/* one liner IPL information using IPLINFO rexx function */
IPL_SUMMARY  = Iplinfo(VAR,ipldate,ipltime,iplvol,ipladdr,iplparm)
say IPL_SUMMARY

result:
06/12/2005 02:06:26 RESD10 D000 700AD0M1

   OR

/* REXX */
/* one liner IPL information using IPLINFO rexx function */
IPL_SUMMARY  = Iplinfo(VAR,ipldate,ipltime,iplvol,ipladdr,iplparm)
parse var IPL_SUMMARY ipldate ipltime iplvol ipladdr iplparm
say 'Date:'ipldate 'Time:'ipltime 'Vol:'iplvol ,
'Load addr:'ipladdr 'LOADPARM:'iplparm

result:
Date:06/12/2005 Time:02:06:26 Vol:RESD10 Load addr:D000 LOADPARM:700AD0M1


If interested the updated IPLINFO version is on my web site now and
should be on the CBT updates page in the near future.

Cheers,

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Re: Hardware DASD design question.

2005-06-22 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 6/22/2005 2:46:21 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

couple  of devices/controller types, and is no longer documented.  It would   
let 
you read ALL the bytes on the track, including the inter-record gaps  and all 
 
these SDs, inter alia.  But what you read in was not  much fun to  decipher 
by 
hand and  eyeball.




Under MFT there was bug in OPEN that positioned you at CC HH 00 00
if you did a rewind before open. The IBM PSR poo-pooed the observation with  
something like-NFWIMLT! Next day came to work to
find his test GIS pack relabeld with his INITIALs iiiYTI(yes there  is!)

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DBCS as the default (was: Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Bill Klein
OK, to explain ...

*ALL* the DBCS (or NODBCS) compiler option does is to determine how
X'0E' and 
X'0D' are treated when they appear WITHIN an alphanumeric literal.  When
it is 
turned on, then they are treated as SHIFT-OUT/IN control characters (and
this 
may be shifting to Unicode *or* to IBM-specific-DBCS codes).

The NSYMBOL compiler option determines
 - What the default USAGE is for PIC N data items (NATIONAL (aka
UNICODE) or 
DISPLAY-1 (aka DBCS))
- Whether Nliterals (and NXliterals are DBCS or UNICODE format (on
output)

Therefore, it is logically possible to have any combination  of
NODBCS/DBCS 
and NSYMBOL(NATIONAL)/(DBCS).

IBM, however, at roughly the same time they changed the default to
DBCS 
decided (for political reasons - I believe, not syntactic reasons) NOT
to 
support the combination of

   NODBCS ,NSYMBOL(NATIONAL)

Clearer
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Steve Comstock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Imbriale, Donald (Exchange) wrote:
 I think you're confusing the DBCS value of the NSYMBOL option with
the
 DBCS option.

 Well, it certainly is confusing. But I tried to make it
 clear what I was saying is choosing the NATIONAL value
 for the NSYMBOL option forces on the DBCS option. And
 it still doesn't make any sense. Of course, it probably
 is not a good practice to have standalone options the
 same as choices for other options.

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Re: Downgrade 9672

2005-06-22 Thread Ted MacNEIL
...
If you had the slower 
processor and paid to upgrade to the faster, the CE removed a jumper 
that made the clock run at half-speed!  I can't swear this was true, 
could be one of those urban computer myths
...

I saw it happen on a Honeywell Level 66, in the late 1970's.
This was at the University of Waterloo and if I'd not been there,
I would probably not have believed it.

-teD
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Re: DBCS as the default (was: Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Steve Comstock

Bill Klein wrote:

OK, to explain ...

*ALL* the DBCS (or NODBCS) compiler option does is to determine how
X'0E' and 
X'0D' are treated when they appear WITHIN an alphanumeric literal.  When
it is 
turned on, then they are treated as SHIFT-OUT/IN control characters (and
this 
may be shifting to Unicode *or* to IBM-specific-DBCS codes).


The NSYMBOL compiler option determines
 - What the default USAGE is for PIC N data items (NATIONAL (aka
UNICODE) or 
DISPLAY-1 (aka DBCS))

- Whether Nliterals (and NXliterals are DBCS or UNICODE format (on
output)

Therefore, it is logically possible to have any combination  of
NODBCS/DBCS 
and NSYMBOL(NATIONAL)/(DBCS).


IBM, however, at roughly the same time they changed the default to
DBCS 
decided (for political reasons - I believe, not syntactic reasons) NOT
to 
support the combination of


   NODBCS ,NSYMBOL(NATIONAL)

Clearer


Yup.

Thanks.

Kind regards,

-Steve Comstock

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Re: Downgrade 9672

2005-06-22 Thread Ray Mullins
IIRC hearing the same about the Series 6000 the Los Angeles Community
College District (where I both studied and worked) had.  (Replaced a
perfectly good 370/158.  Long political story.)

Ray

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 Subject: Re: Downgrade 9672
 
  I remnember Texas Tech getting a speed upgrade to there 
 370/145 back 
  in the 70's.  It consisted of the CE removing three loops from the 
  145's microcode.  The price tag for this upgrade?  A cool $ 50K!
 
 I remember a story from long ago: Honeywell had a processed 
 that came in single and double speeds, with a price jump.  If 
 you had the slower processor and paid to upgrade to the 
 faster, the CE removed a jumper that made the clock run at 
 half-speed!  I can't swear this was true, could be one of 
 those urban computer myths

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Re: How to know the z/OS version by TSO login.

2005-06-22 Thread Lizette Koehler
If you use ISPVCALL you need to enter it twice.  The first execution
collects the data and the second displays the output.

Lizette Koehler

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Re: ISKE/IVSK

2005-06-22 Thread Craddock, Chris
 
 I'm looking for advice on the use of IVSK / ISKE instructions,

IVSK is a fine righteous thing to play with. ISKE is not. 

 I have this program that loads (SVC 08) a couple of programs.
 The program that load is running key9 , however SVC08 load them
 in key8 with fetch protection...

Contents supervision is only ever going to load the module in fetch
protected storage in the job step key unless the module is reentrant
and comes from an APF authorized library. Them's the rules. So in 
this case, there is no way for you to get what you want playing by 
the rules. That's usually a clue that what you think you want is not
really what you want at all.

 I'm trying to turn off the fetch protect bit with sske

OOOHH... Tres bad idea. SSKE is one of those instructions
that are reserved for use by the control program and in any case
it only changes the real storage key. You would just break things
if you ever got that to work.

A key zero and sup state program can use the CHANGKEY macro to 
change the virtual storage key and fetch protection, but the area
has to begin on a page boundary and contain an integral number of
pages. 

Beware that contents uses subpool 251/252 for program loads and
it just getmains as much as it needs for the module, so you have
no control over alignment and number of pages unless you put the
right directives in the bind for the module. You would have to 
get the origin and length of the module by calling CSVQUERY first.

IMO even that is kind of dangerous, but if you have no other 
choice fire away. Its not my dog.

 when I run IVSK and ISKE I get different key. The program 
 thats read the storage is a CICS program. I pass to ISKE the
 real address which I obtain from LRA.

Ignoring for a moment how you manage to issue an LRA from a normal
unauthorized, problem state key 8/9 CICS program, there is no way
to guarantee that the virtual to real mapping is the same between 
the LRA (which should be a LRAG anyway) and the ISKE. You would 
have to page fix the storage first which is a bit on the brutal side.

In addition, ISKE is sensitive to the virtual addressing mode. If
you are in 31 bit mode its only going to look at the 31 bit portion
of the real address, even if there's non-zero data in the high half
of the gpr. This is a place you really should not be treading.

 It makes me wonder if CICS is turning on / off the
 fetch protect bit because I trace with CEDF  I can browse the loaded
 program but can't run the user program.

AFAIK CICS doesn't do anything of the sort. The storage protection 
override control feature of the architecture allows any key 8 program
to access key 8 or key 9 data, but not the reverse. CEDF is in key
8 so no harm no foul. Your application is (apparently) in key 9. Bzzzt.

I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish. Since you're talking
about supervisor state instructions, you probably have the wherewithall
to get more or less anythign you want. Figuring out what you want is
going to be the hard part.

CC

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Re: DBCS as the default (was: Fw: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 mi gration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 06/22/2005
   at 01:40 PM, Pommier, Rex R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

Knowing nothing about DBCS or Unicode I have a silly question - is
Unicode a superset of DBCS? 

No; Unicode is a 20-bit code with a 16-bit subset, compatible with ISO
10646, and does not use a SI/SO mechanism. There is a transform
(UTF-8) for representing Unicode in 8-bit bytes, but it does not use
SI/SO either.

Note: the first half page (code points 0-127) of Unicode are identical
to ASCII.
 
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Re: Help on SC03 abend

2005-06-22 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on
06/22/2005
   at 12:11 PM, Kok, Howi [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

I'm not sure if I should post this in this list.

Yes; it's the most appropriate list for your question.

I'm not sure if I should post this in this list.  Anyway, I hope
some of you can help me out.  We have a batch DB2 COBOL program PGMA
that calls an assembler program PGMB to open, read, and close four
VSAM files.  I don't know why PGMB closes only two of the files. 

PGMB is broken. Instead of trying to live with the bug, why not try to
get it fixed?

Upon PGMA termination we would get SC03 abends with messages IEC999I
IFG0TC0A,IFG0TC0B,jobname,stepname,DEB ADDR = debaddr,DSN = VSAM
data set name  for the two closed files.

ITYM for the two files that are not closed.

According to the programmer there is no problem
when the PGMB is called from a non-DB2 COBOL program. 

He's mistaken.

What should be done differently when the assembler program is called 
from a DB2 COBOL program? 

Nothing in this case.

Should we not close any files and let the system detect the DEBs and
close them?

No, PGMB should close all files that it opens. If the programmer
refuses to do so, discuss it with your and his management.
 
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FW: (Fwd) RE: Change control software [for Natural]

2005-06-22 Thread Gibney, Dave
   Actually, I meant to forward to the list

 -Original Message-
 From: Neil Duffee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 3:34 PM
 To: Natarajan Mohan
 Cc: Gibney, Dave
 Subject: (Fwd) RE: Change control software [for Natural]
 
 Natarajan:  I expect that Dave really meant this for you as the
 originator.
 --- Forwarded message follows ---
 Subject:  RE: Change control software [for Natural]
 Date sent:Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:52:14 -0700
 From: Gibney, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
   And if you ask over on Sag-l, maybe Darrel will describe how we do
 Natural and Endevor.
And there's stuff in the archives.
 
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 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Neil Duffee
 Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 12:40 PM
 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
 Subject: Re: Change control software [for Natural]
 
 Caveat:  I get the daily digest so this might already have been
 suggested...
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 At June 21, 2005 14:02, concerning Re: Change control software,
 Natarajan Mohan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote (to Neil Duffee):
 
  With respect to the same subject, I would like to know if anybody
uses
  any of these change management packages with NATURAL.
 
 Ah!  This is a different kettle of fish;  provided you mean Natural
 from Software AG.  You'll find the best being N2O from Treehouse
 Software (www.TreeHouse.com) which is even touted above PAC that is
 supplied by SAG themselves.  We've had N2O from, at least, late 80's
 and I've heard another client even performs migrations across LPars
 without complexity or difficulty.
 
 You'll get better information/opinions related to Software AG
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  There is a web-searchable archive using the same hostname.
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Re: Help on SC03 abend

2005-06-22 Thread Lizette Koehler
If my old addled brain is thinking correctly, I believe over 10 years ago
IBM decided to no longer be nice to programs and require that all programs
close any files they open.  And if they did not close them, the system would
then issue a SC03 abend.

Or am I getting too forgetful???

Lizette Koehler

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Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Joe Zitzelberger

On Jun 22, 2005, at 5:34 PM, Ed Gould wrote:


I will go for it hey its almost Friday.

If you can't figure out what the message is saying open a PMR with  
the COBOL people tell them for the up teenth time that these  
messages are NOT self describing.


Ed


IGYPS0157-E   A shift-out was found in column 50 without a  
matching shift-in in a nonnumeric or national literal.  The  
literal was processed as written.


A shift-out without a shift-in?  Pretty obvious.


IGYPS0158-E   A nonnumeric or national literal containing double- 
byte characters was found which exceeded the maximum literal  
length or reached end of area B before terminating.  A literal  
delimiter was placed at column 72 of line 


And you forgot to terminate or continue in accordance with the rules.


What is not self describing about these?

There are plenty of things to complain about with IBM's Cobol  
implementation -- but their error messages are pretty good.  Perhaps  
even self-describing.


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Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Steve Comstock

Joe Zitzelberger wrote:

On Jun 22, 2005, at 5:34 PM, Ed Gould wrote:



I will go for it hey its almost Friday.

If you can't figure out what the message is saying open a PMR with  
the COBOL people tell them for the up teenth time that these  messages 
are NOT self describing.


Ed



IGYPS0157-E   A shift-out was found in column 50 without a  matching 
shift-in in a nonnumeric or national literal.  The  literal was 
processed as written.



A shift-out without a shift-in?  Pretty obvious.


Not if he was not using DBCS. No reason to expect
this message. Apparently it was caused by the
change if default compiler option settings, which
does seem a little obscure, don't you think?





IGYPS0158-E   A nonnumeric or national literal containing double- 
byte characters was found which exceeded the maximum literal  length 
or reached end of area B before terminating.  A literal  delimiter 
was placed at column 72 of line 



And you forgot to terminate or continue in accordance with the rules.


What is not self describing about these?

There are plenty of things to complain about with IBM's Cobol  
implementation -- but their error messages are pretty good.  Perhaps  
even self-describing.


Well, I'll be happy to concede they are pretty good
most of the time. And I know they do work on
improving them regularly.

Kind regards,

-Steve Comstock

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Re: Help on SC03 abend

2005-06-22 Thread Charles Mills
Generally you can get away with not closing DCBs and the system will
close them. The problem occurs when the DCB is either in GETMAINed
storage, or in a secondary load module brought in by the jobstep program
with a LOAD (which is pretty much the same thing) - AND the storage gets
freed before end of jobstep. MVS goes to close the DCB and - ta-da! -
it's not there. SC03 will also happen if a DCB gets overlaid or
clobbered in some way before the system can close it.

I think that a job's behavior in this regard can be a little
unpredictable because things may depend on whether the storage gets
reused or not. That's probably why he is seeing different results
depending on whether or not DB2 is in the picture. It's not DB2 per se,
but the fact that DB2 coincidentally changes the storage allocation
picture in some way. He might get different results, for example, with a
different region size.

Shmuel is 100% correct though - it's like your mom said: if you open the
DCB, you close it.

Charles

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Subject: Re: Help on SC03 abend


If my old addled brain is thinking correctly, I believe over 10 years
ago IBM decided to no longer be nice to programs and require that all
programs close any files they open.  And if they did not close them, the
system would then issue a SC03 abend.

Or am I getting too forgetful???

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Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Joe Zitzelberger

On Jun 22, 2005, at 7:04 PM, Steve Comstock wrote:


Joe Zitzelberger wrote:


On Jun 22, 2005, at 5:34 PM, Ed Gould wrote:



I will go for it hey its almost Friday.

If you can't figure out what the message is saying open a PMR  
with  the COBOL people tell them for the up teenth time that  
these  messages are NOT self describing.


Ed

IGYPS0157-E   A shift-out was found in column 50 without a   
matching shift-in in a nonnumeric or national literal.  The   
literal was processed as written.



A shift-out without a shift-in?  Pretty obvious.


Not if he was not using DBCS. No reason to expect
this message. Apparently it was caused by the
change if default compiler option settings, which
does seem a little obscure, don't you think?


Not at all.

Just because you find a shift-in in your source doesn't mean the  
error message is at fault.  If you look at your listing and actually  
see a shift in there, then you might want to complain about the  
preprocessor that placed it there.  But that would be the  
preprocessors fault, not the message -- it means exactly what it says.


If you will pardon the pun, this sound like a perfect example of  
'shooting the messenger' instead of addressing the root cause.


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Re: ISKE/IVSK

2005-06-22 Thread Schiradin,Roland HG-Dir itb-db/dc
At first LOAD (SVC 08) is a NONO under CICS as in case of transactions abends 
nobody will ever free the storage for this prog. Look at the CICS API Exec Cics 
Load command.
 
CICS will then LOAD the program depending on the RENT,RMODE into the RDSA, 
SDSA, ERDSA or ESDSA.

The Exec Cics will give you back the entrypoint and now it's a simple BALR 
R14,R15 (assume same mode).

I don't understand your request! 

Roland

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Betreff: ISKE/IVSK


I'm looking for advice on the use of IVSK / ISKE instructions, I have this 
program that loads (SVC 08) a couple of programs. The program that load is 
running key9 , however SVC08 load them in key8 with fetch protection... I'm 
trying to turn off the fetch protect bit with sske but when I run IVSK and ISKE 
I get different key. The program thats read the storage is a CICS program. I 
pass to ISKE the real address which I obtain from LRA. It makes me wonder if 
CICS is turning on / off the fetch protect bit because I trace with CEDF  I 
can browse the loaded program but can't run the user program. Any ideas richard

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Re: HALON et al

2005-06-22 Thread Tony Babonas
This is attributable to me, for the record.   

-Original Message-
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Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
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Subject: Re: HALON et al

In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 06/22/2005
   at 09:03 AM, Bill Fairchild [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

In a message dated 6/22/2005 7:24:23 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Not  true, I've been in 3 HALON dumps back in the days it was THE
method for computer room FS.  One must exit quickly as it will make 
you short of breath at high enough concentrations since it displaces 
oxygen.

Please watch your attributions; I was not the author of the above.
Stripping the leading  on quoted material is at best misleading.
 
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Re: What's the 2nd level system for z/VM or z/OS?

2005-06-22 Thread Bo Xie
On 6/22/05, Gabriel Tully [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yes, 2nd level refers to z/OS running as a guest under z/VM
Thank you very much for your reply!
Is there any reference for 2nd level? I want to copy in/out some
files between the host z/VM and the guest z/OS, but don't know how to
do it!

Best Regards,
Xie Bo

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2005-06-22 Thread William McKinley
Does anyone have any experience with 3494-B20 microcode level R7.4?


Regards,
Bil McKinley
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New York, NY   10005
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Re: Downgrade 9672

2005-06-22 Thread Phil Steele
I remember the 'go-faster' stripes that Burroughs had to put on the B2700 after 
'upgrading ' it from a
B2500. I beleive this was needed to convince the Customer that he had actually 
got something for his (quite a lot of) money.
 this upgrade was really little more than a jumper chjange clock speed increase 
also.

I also remember that a 600 cards-per-minute 2501-001 card reader could be 
upgraded to a 2501-002 (1100 cards-per-minute) by the replacement of a 
different sized gear wheel. If you owned ( and maintained) the machine , no-one 
could stop you!

I always imagined that IBM's 'Licenced Internal Code' ( not to mentioned 
Graduated licnening charges, of course!)
 was a way to protect them from any one else being able to undo a  'Kneecapped' 
processor nowadays.
  

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 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
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 Sent: Wednesday 22 June 2005 12:33
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 Subject: Re: Downgrade 9672

  I remnember Texas Tech getting a speed upgrade to there
 370/145 back
  in the 70's.  It consisted of the CE removing three loops from the
  145's microcode.  The price tag for this upgrade?  A cool $ 50K!

 I remember a story from long ago: Honeywell had a processed
 that came in single and double speeds, with a price jump.  If
 you had the slower processor and paid to upgrade to the
 faster, the CE removed a jumper that made the clock run at
 half-speed!  I can't swear this was true, could be one of
 those urban computer myths

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3494-B20 new microcode R7.4 experience?

2005-06-22 Thread William McKinley
 
  Does anyone have any experience with 3494-B20 microcode level R7.4?


  Regards,
  Bil McKinley
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Testing symbols with JCL IF

2005-06-22 Thread Charles Mills
I got frustrated at the inability to test anything other than return
codes the like with JCL IF. Maybe I'm re-inventing the wheel here, but I
wrote a little Rexx script that reduced my frustration.

INTERP interprets the value of its argument and returns the result as
its return code. So you can for example say

//INT1  EXEC PGM=INTERP,PARM='DSP = SHR'
//  IF   INT1.RC = 1 THEN
  whatever you want to do if DSP was SHR.
//  ENDIF

It should handle Rexx expressions up to 100 characters of any
complexity, with parentheses, numeric calculations, etc., that return
either a truth (1 or 0) or numeric result.

Here is how to execute it if you don't have the Rexx compiler:

//INT1   EXEC PGM=IRXJCL,PARM='INTERP   DSP = SHR '   
//SYSEXEC  DD   DSN=your.rexx.library,DISP=SHR

Here is the Rexx source code:

/* Interp: Rexx to set return code by interpreting parm */ 
   
/* Returns the value obtained by interpreting its argument, with the   
   following special values:   
   4095 = Rexx Syntax error
   4094 = Non-numeric result   
   4093 = Result out of range 0 to 4095  */
   
Signal On Syntax Name SyntaxErr
   
Interpret ttt = Arg(1)   
   
If Datatype(ttt) \= NUM Then Exit 4094  
If ttt = 4095  ttt = 0 Then Exit ttt
Exit 4093  
   
SyntaxErr: 
Exit 4095  

I hereby place this code in the public domain. Feedback appreciated.

Charles Mills

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SMS report

2005-06-22 Thread Wang Rong
Hi all,

Do you have some idea of how to obtain PDS directory information using
batch job? And another question: how to obtain the %used of a whole
storage group?

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Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)

2005-06-22 Thread Thomas Conley
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Subject: Re: Another OS/390 to z/OS 1.4 migration question (COBOL)



On Jun 22, 2005, at 7:04 PM, Steve Comstock wrote:

IGYPS0157-E   A shift-out was found in column 50 without a   matching 
shift-in in a nonnumeric or national literal.  The   literal was 
processed as written.



A shift-out without a shift-in?  Pretty obvious.


Not if he was not using DBCS. No reason to expect
this message. Apparently it was caused by the
change if default compiler option settings, which
does seem a little obscure, don't you think?


Not at all.

Just because you find a shift-in in your source doesn't mean the  error 
message is at fault.  If you look at your listing and actually  see a 
shift in there, then you might want to complain about the  preprocessor 
that placed it there.  But that would be the  preprocessors fault, not the 
message -- it means exactly what it says.


If you will pardon the pun, this sound like a perfect example of 
'shooting the messenger' instead of addressing the root cause.




Joe,

You are wrong here.  Imagine a shop that has used COBOL for decades, and 
can't even spell DBCS.  All of a sudden this message pops up after a 
compiler upgrade.  The programmer asks What's a shift-in?  The systems 
programmer says BTF outta me.  Let's get the message manual.  Oops, no 
manual, now what?  Open a PMR only to be told by COBOL Level 2 what an idiot 
you are..


Your assumption that this message tells the whole story is absurd.  Every 
IBM message is supposed to have a response documented, like this:


Programmer response:  If using DBCS support, be sure that your DBCS 
character stream contains proper shift-in shift-out pairs. If you are not 
using DBCS, be sure that you specify the NODBCS in your compile.


Problem solved.  Expecting the user to know every option and feature of the 
COBOL compiler, especially those features and options that they're not even 
using, is ridiculous.  That's why every error message generated by an IBM 
product is supposed to be fully documented with appropriate Response 
sections.


Regards,
Tom Conley 


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