Re: Is anyone still running..........................
james smith wrote: Given the global nature of this list I was curious if any list members were aware of any financial organization(s) still running Os/390 V2.10 and/or still running on G5/G6 processors. Nice to hear all comments but mainly interested in the financial sector. Is it something special in running outdated hardware and software and "legacy" application? Is it something special when financial institutions do it? I guess you do it and looking for other examples to say management, "don't worry, there are other banks which still use OS/390". Am I right? -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is anyone still running..........................
Happen to know of a couple of banks in The Philippines still on OS/390 V2.10. There may be others in Asia/Pacific. Stephen Mednick Computer Supervisory Services Sydney, Australia > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of james smith > Sent: Thursday, 11 January 2007 4:55 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Is anyone still running.. > > Given the global nature of this list I was curious if any > list members were aware of any financial organization(s) > still running Os/390 V2.10 and/or still running on G5/G6 > processors. Nice to hear all comments but mainly interested > in the financial sector. > > Regards > > James F. Smith -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is "command reject" trying to tell me?
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:16:14 -0800, Charles Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I have just started getting >IOS000I 0339,5E,CMD,47,0E00,,00AC,volser,jobname, > > 80AC000404208400FF010F004EA0AC00 > > FAILING PARAMETER LIST DATA = 8684 00AC 00AC00 00 > > Can someone suggest what sort of problem this might indicate? I'm not a dasd guru either, but it looks like its trying to read record 0 on cyl 172. Is that where the dataset is located? I think the CMDREJ is because the last two bytes are zero, but byte 1 bit 0 says that bytes 14 & 15 contain a non-zero value. My info is coming from an old 3880 book at http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/dasd/GA26-1661- 9_3880_StorageCtrlDescr_Sep87.pdf, so no need to be a "modern dasd expert". Warning: The pages in the PDF file aren't in the right order. Since I know nothing about the implementation of QSAM on z/OS, I can't help you further. This looks like a problem for the Support Center. As you say, that's a strange error to be getting from QSAM! Alan Altmark IBM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Is anyone still running..........................
Given the global nature of this list I was curious if any list members were aware of any financial organization(s) still running Os/390 V2.10 and/or still running on G5/G6 processors. Nice to hear all comments but mainly interested in the financial sector. Regards James F. Smith -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Standalone Dump on DASD
John, It can't be the IPL volume... Standalone needs the IPLTEXT for it own use. Ed On Jan 10, 2007, at 2:19 PM, Chase, John wrote: Hi, All, Getting ready to "transition" from SADMP from/to tape to doing it from/to DASD. After reading the SADUMP generation doc in "z/OS 1.7 MVS Diagnosis: Tools and Service Aids", it's still not clear whether the "residence volume" for the SADUMP program should be a "standalone" volume, or can be another volume that is not a page or OS RES volume. Could someone clarify for me? Also, I couldn't find the previous discussion in the archives about how many DASD volume should be available to receive the standalone dump. We plan to use "mod-9s", but how many should we have available? Largest LPAR will have 12 GiB central storage and run around 500 address spaces. z9-EC box, if that makes a difference. TIA, -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: How to debug WQE modification by SSI
On Tue, 9 Jan 2007 23:29:02 -0600, Patrick O'Keefe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >And add another question to the list: >What related process would make commands entered from the same console >not be copied to SYSLOG? Something that may be 'non-obvious' is the hardcopy setting for command responses. >From z/OS V1R6.0 MVS System Commands: 3.5.1.2 Selecting Commands and Command Responses for the Hardcopy Message Set Unless you specify otherwise, the system includes all operator and system commands, responses, and status displays (including static and time-interval updated status displays) in the hardcopy message set. To request that some commands and command responses not be included in the hardcopy message set, the system gives you the following choices on the VARY ,HARDCPY command: NOCMDS The system does not include operator commands or their responses in the hardcopy message set. INCMDS The system includes all operator commands and their responses, excluding any status displays, in the hardcopy message set. STCMDS The system includes all operator commands and their responses, excluding dynamic status displays, in the hardcopy message set. CMDS The system includes all operator commands and their responses, including all status displays (both dynamic and static), in the hardcopy message set. Is it possible someone set hardcopy to "NOCMDS" in CONSOLxx or via the VARY SYSLOG,HARDCPY command? Scott Fagen z/OS Core Technology Design IBM Poughkeepsie -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ISGAMF00 problem
On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 09:10:29 -0500, Rob Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I would put my money on the fact that SCOPE=STEP enqueues are >maintained in structures and queues in the GRS address space just like >other SCOPEs - I would be amazed if GQSCAN caused GRS to shot SRBs into >foreign address spaces to trawl thru LSQA. > > >Rob Scott Rob's money would be on the right spot. Scott Fagen z/OS Core Technology Design IBM Poughkeepsie -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ISGAMF00 problem
On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 11:56:41 +0100, R.S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Scott, >Thnk you for the explanation. Indeed - I'm not happy of such surprise. >However I have on more question: >Can I see scope=STEP enq's using D GRS,RES=(q,r) command ? >My experiments say I cannot. > >Or, more general: is there any method to dsiplay STEP enqueues ? > >Regards >-- >Radoslaw Skorupka >Lodz, Poland Radoslaw, Yes, D GRS,RES= will show STEP ENQs held on the system. For this example, I ran a job that obtained 3 ENQs, called SYSTEMS.ENQ, SYSTEM.ENQ, and STEP.ENQ. Here's what comes out on the console: d grs,res=(*,enq),l=z ISG343I 21.48.51 GRS STATUS 803 S=STEPSTEP ENQ SYSNAMEJOBNAME ASID TCBADDR EXC/SHRSTATUS FAGEN1GRSTOOL0027 004EAE88 SHARE OWN S=SYSTEM SYSTEM ENQ SYSNAMEJOBNAME ASID TCBADDR EXC/SHRSTATUS FAGEN1GRSTOOL0027 004EAE88 SHARE OWN S=SYSTEMS SYSTEMS ENQ SYSNAMEJOBNAME ASID TCBADDR EXC/SHRSTATUS FAGEN1GRSTOOL0027 004EAE88 SHARE OWN As mentioned in another post, VERBX GRSTRACE and the GRSDATA IPCS commands will also display the held STEP ENQs at the time of the dump, if the data are available in the dump. Scott Fagen z/OS Core Technology Design IBM Poughkeepsie -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
What is "command reject" trying to tell me?
I've got a fairly straightforward assembler subroutine that does GETs on a RECFM=FB DCB - nothing fancy. The code is under development, but this part of the code has been working. I have just started getting IOS000I 0339,5E,CMD,47,0E00,,00AC,volser,jobname, 80AC000404208400FF010F004EA0AC00 FAILING PARAMETER LIST DATA = 868400AC00AC The SYNAD data is 0339,D,SYS00029,GET ,COMMAND REJECT ,00AC00,QSAM Can someone suggest what sort of problem this might indicate? I have written EXCP and CCW chains back in the S/360 days so I am generally familiar with channel and DASD concepts, but why should I be getting a command reject when QSAM is building the CCWs? I have RTFM but without being a modern DASD CCW expert, I don't know quite what to make of the information there. Thanks, Charles Mills -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Arcane scripting language for web server
I'm playing with a new web server and some wag suggested that a proper test of things would be to implement a /really/ /different/ scripting language. I discounted a few (including TXL (Turing) and APL!) and eventually settled on Assembler H in a S/370 sort of environment, since a friend here is also a reformed bit-twiddler and should be able to help--he owes me a favour ever since he asked me to hack together a public web server actually running on MVS 3.8/Hercules, then promptly forgot what he'd wanted it for! I've still got some emulator code tucked away somewhere, so it shouldn't be too much hard work to bolt it on, but I doubt it'll support JITA (Just In Time Assembly) :-) The only downside I can see it that I can't think of any job on the web it'd be the best tool for. Perhaps I'll bolt Rexx in beside it for practical purposes. Does anyone have suggestions/comments before I commit the last thin strands of my sanity to this, please? :-) Roo -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Forbidding Special characters in passwords
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am constantly amazed at the number of sites which FORBID the use of special characters in passwords and userid's. And by the sites which LIMIT the length of passwords and userid's. Since the number of possible combinations increases exponentially with the possibe values for each character and the number of characters, I cannot fathom why they impose such limits. But they do on such financial sites as Vanguard Mutual Funds, Scottrade, and World Savings. I eMail them regularly and complain, but I have seen no changes so far. There may be a case for forbidding certain special characters, and I think that requiring special characters might be counter productive, but I cannot see any logical reason for completely forbidding them. Well, RACF for example doesn't allow special characters (apart from $, #, and @) in passwords. This makes it very difficult for any site to allow such characters if the user repository is RACF (or Top Secret or ACF/2). -- Ulrich Boche SVA GmbH, Germany IBM Premier Business Partner -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: zNALC in an LPAR and z/VSE V4 Sub-Capacity Pricing
z/OS.e and NALC are the same price. The primary difference being the limitations of z/OS.e and that z/OS.e could be a sub-capacity pricing metric while NALC was full capacity. Ed was correct that zNALC is priced lower than either once the billable MSUs are above 45MSUs. The difference is not large, at 175 MSUs z/OS.e is $6,300 and z/OS with zNALC is $6,040 (USD). The big difference between NALC and zNALC is sub-capacity in an LPAR rather than a dedicated machine. Also it seems more clear cut to me as to what is a "Qualifying Workload" for zNALC. While the zNALC LPAR is to be dedicated to the "Qualifying Workload" the database server used for the "Qualifying Workload" can also be in the zNALC partition. This allows DB2 to be with WebSphere if DB2 is the database server for a WebSphere "Qualifying Workload". Al Sherkow, I/S Management Strategies, Ltd. Consulting Expertise on Capacity Planning, Performance Tuning, WLC, LPARs, IRD and LCS Software Seminars on IBM SW Pricing, LPARs, and IRD Voice: +1 414 332-3062 Web: www.sherkow.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z New Application License Charges (zNALC) Announced
That may be true, but sadly not relevant in this context. z/os under z/VM is not qualified for zNALC. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 1:28 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z New Application License Charges (zNALC) Announced > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hal Merritt > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 1:19 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: z New Application License Charges (zNALC) Announced > > > Agreed. But it does. There is a proposed stepwise procedure where you > first change the name to '*', then to the target name. I plan to test > that on my DR box in a week or so. All of which simply proves the inherent superiority of z/VM over LPAR. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message, together with any attachment, may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, printing, saving, copying, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete all copies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Standalone Dump on DASD
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Zelden Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 4:47 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Standalone Dump on DASD On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:32:16 -0500, Thomas H Puddicombe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Probably not true. The most important stuff is dumped first. In the SHARE presentation from Greg Dyck that I mentioned in my last post, he says this: >"95% of failures are solved using 5% of dumped data (my guesstimate)" >So even if you run out of space during your SADUMP or only have time >say 10-15 minutes) to let it run before re-IPLing (SLAs), there is >>still >>a good chance you will have what is needed. >>> SO TRUE... Just getting the MTTRACE has help me on many occasions. Let it run -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Special characters in passwords was Re: RACF - Password rules .
If it is, it is awfully generous. Or maybe is just uses a generous curve. :-D Edward Jaffe wrote: Jon Brock wrote: I know some people think that C is the best programming language in history, but this is one reason -- another being the tendency it engenders for pointer problems -- that I could never get into it wholeheartedly. Isn't "C" the language that grades itself? -- | Jim Phoenix | Voice: (310) 338-0400 x316 | | Senior Software Developer| Fax: (310) 338-0801| | Phoenix Software International | Alt fax: (310) 337-2685| | 5200 W. Century Blvd., Suite 800 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Los Angeles, CA 90045| http://www.phoenixsoftware.com | Opinions expressed by this individual are not necessarily those of the Company. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Standalone Dump on DASD
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:32:16 -0500, Thomas H Puddicombe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Assume that standalone dump is going to copy the contents of real storage >and the "live" contents of the page datasets to the standalone dump >dataset. > >You don't want to run out: if you do, the one page not dumped >successfully will contain the key datum to solve the problem. > Probably not true. The most important stuff is dumped first. In the SHARE presentation from Greg Dyck that I mentioned in my last post, he says this: "95% of failures are solved using 5% of dumped data (my guesstimate)" So even if you run out of space during your SADUMP or only have time (say 10-15 minutes) to let it run before re-IPLing (SLAs), there is still a good chance you will have what is needed. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - GITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS and OS390 expert at http://searchDataCenter.com/ateExperts/ Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Standalone Dump on DASD
> You don't want to run out: if you do, the one page not dumped > successfully will contain the key datum to solve the problem. M - not so sure about this. When I tested this (back in er..., 1.2 maybe) I'm pretty sure it spilled to cart. Slow, but worked. Pretty easy to test during the cutover. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Standalone Dump on DASD
Assume that standalone dump is going to copy the contents of real storage and the "live" contents of the page datasets to the standalone dump dataset. You don't want to run out: if you do, the one page not dumped successfully will contain the key datum to solve the problem. This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in delivery. NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to bind CSC to any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit written agreement or government initiative expressly permitting the use of e-mail for such purpose. Mark Zelden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 01/10/2007 04:11 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject Re: Standalone Dump on DASD On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:19:03 -0600, Chase, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Hi, All, > >Getting ready to "transition" from SADMP from/to tape to doing it >from/to DASD. After reading the SADUMP generation doc in "z/OS 1.7 MVS >Diagnosis: Tools and Service Aids", it's still not clear whether the >"residence volume" for the SADUMP program should be a "standalone" >volume, or can be another volume that is not a page or OS RES volume. > >Could someone clarify for me? Any other volume that does not have IPL text already and is not a page volume. I've always used a dlib volume. Some people use a secondary sysres volume. > >Also, I couldn't find the previous discussion in the archives about how >many DASD volume should be available to receive the standalone dump. We >plan to use "mod-9s", but how many should we have available? Largest >LPAR will have 12 GiB central storage and run around 500 address spaces. >z9-EC box, if that makes a difference. I thought there was something in the archives. I think the FM says "a lot". :-) In a similar environment, I have 9 3390-3s. I think it all fit when I had to take a SADUMP sometime last year. In a larger environment we have 16 3390-3s. If you have access to SHARE presentations, there was one from Greg Dyck from July 2001 - session 2823. It includes information on the changes in z/OS 1.2. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - GITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS and OS390 expert at http://searchDataCenter.com/ateExperts/ Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Special characters in passwords was Re: RACF - Password rules .
Jon Brock wrote: I know some people think that C is the best programming language in history, but this is one reason -- another being the tendency it engenders for pointer problems -- that I could never get into it wholeheartedly. Isn't "C" the language that grades itself? -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Standalone Dump on DASD
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:19:03 -0600, Chase, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Hi, All, > >Getting ready to "transition" from SADMP from/to tape to doing it >from/to DASD. After reading the SADUMP generation doc in "z/OS 1.7 MVS >Diagnosis: Tools and Service Aids", it's still not clear whether the >"residence volume" for the SADUMP program should be a "standalone" >volume, or can be another volume that is not a page or OS RES volume. > >Could someone clarify for me? Any other volume that does not have IPL text already and is not a page volume. I've always used a dlib volume. Some people use a secondary sysres volume. > >Also, I couldn't find the previous discussion in the archives about how >many DASD volume should be available to receive the standalone dump. We >plan to use "mod-9s", but how many should we have available? Largest >LPAR will have 12 GiB central storage and run around 500 address spaces. >z9-EC box, if that makes a difference. I thought there was something in the archives. I think the FM says "a lot". :-) In a similar environment, I have 9 3390-3s. I think it all fit when I had to take a SADUMP sometime last year. In a larger environment we have 16 3390-3s. If you have access to SHARE presentations, there was one from Greg Dyck from July 2001 - session 2823. It includes information on the changes in z/OS 1.2. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - GITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS and OS390 expert at http://searchDataCenter.com/ateExperts/ Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: [SPAM] RE: IEBGENER and unlabled tape
Yes, LABEL=(AL) is for ANSI labels, but not used if it's an non-labeled or unlabeled tape. The DCB=OPTCD=Q is required in IBM JCL (especially if it's NL), when bringing across a tape from a foreign NON-IBM system (like UNIX, UNISYS, etc). This tells IBM's OS to translate from ASCII to EBCDIC, as 'other' systems write in ASCII. Just my 2 cents worth.Mark -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z New Application License Charges (zNALC) Announced
>A POR should no longer be required to rename an LPAR. > As long as you plan ahead and have a z990/z890/z9EC/z9BC. At least one is (was) required, but that could have been when you installed the box. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - GITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS and OS390 expert at http://searchDataCenter.com/ateExperts/ Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DFSort oddity
Neal Eckhardt wrote: > I have been testing different values for HIPRMAX to limit the amount > of expanded storage it uses. > > It appears that DFSort uses a Hiperspace OR a Data Space. Specifying > HIPRMAX=1% will result in no usage of Data Spaces. Why not? > > The EXCP counts on SORTIN and SORTOUT are different depending on > wether a Hiperspace is used or a Data Space is used (counts below). > Why would SORTIN and SORTOUT EXCP counts be different? > > Neal > > Dataspace: > > DEVICE ACTIVITY: (BLOCK COUNT, DDNAME, DEVICE, DEVICE TYPE) > 229 SORTIN 1123 3390125 SORTOUT 1228 3390 > 193 SORTWK04 103E 339 > 195 SORTWK02 103F 3390191 SORTWK01 1227 3390 > 184 SORTWK03 1229 339 > 2 SORTWK05 1228 3390 1 SORTWK06 1228 3390 > > Hiperspace: > > DEVICE ACTIVITY: (BLOCK COUNT, DDNAME, DEVICE, DEVICE TYPE) > 117 SORTIN 1123 3390299 SORTOUT 1227 3390 > 346 SORTWK02 103E 3390 > 332 SORTWK05 103E 3390340 SORTWK03 103F 3390 > 321 SORTWK01 1228 3390 > 321 SORTWK04 1229 3390 1 SORTWK06 1227 3390 You are correct that DFSORT will use Hiperspace OR Dataspace. It will not use them together. Note that in DFSORT V1R5 it's Memory Object or Hiperspace or Dataspace. When you specify HIPRMAX=1% and there is no usage of Dataspace, does the sort use Hiperspace instead or neither? The EXCP counts are going to vary between the two methods because of the way DFSORT allocates storage for i/o buffers. DFSORT allocates different control blocks and internal storage areas differently for the two methods. If you would like to investigate this in more detail, you can send me the sysouts from your runs and I can take a look at them. It would be helpful to understand what your objective is in this testing. Generally, we recommend you let DFSORT select the method that's optimal for each sort based on the characteristics of the sort and the available resources on the system. Dave Betten IBM DFSORT Performance Lead [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: zNALC in an LPAR and z/VSE V4 Sub-Capacity Pricing
I believe zNALC will be usable for some inhouse written applications: From the intro to the zNALC annoucement 207-006: "a qualified "new workload" application (Qualified Application) such as Java language business applications running under WebSphere® Application Server," and later in the detail of 2.(c): "(c) It is a Java language business application running under WebSphere Application Server (or equivalent). These do not include systems management tools." Al Sherkow, I/S Management Strategies, Ltd. Consulting Expertise on Capacity Planning, Performance Tuning, WLC, LPARs, IRD and LCS Software Seminars on IBM SW Pricing, LPARs, and IRD Voice: +1 414 332-3062 Web: www.sherkow.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z New Application License Charges (zNALC) Announced
My understanding is that LPAR name changes could be dynamic since the z990 was delivered. I've been advising people for years to have extra LPARs (yes that is plural) defined to avoid the need for the POR, and the z990 allowed sites to have extra LPARs defined and then to change the name to something meaningful when they were ready to use those LPARs. No one wants to be person to point out "Building that LPAR is a good idea, but we need to shut down the whole machine to define it". You have some time to rename your LPAR or define new LPARs because the earliest date to collect data for SCRT is 2Apr2007. Al Sherkow, I/S Management Strategies, Ltd. Consulting Expertise on Capacity Planning, Performance Tuning, WLC, LPARs, IRD and LCS Software Seminars on IBM SW Pricing, LPARs, and IRD Voice: +1 414 332-3062 Web: www.sherkow.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Standalone Dump on DASD
Hi, All, Getting ready to "transition" from SADMP from/to tape to doing it from/to DASD. After reading the SADUMP generation doc in "z/OS 1.7 MVS Diagnosis: Tools and Service Aids", it's still not clear whether the "residence volume" for the SADUMP program should be a "standalone" volume, or can be another volume that is not a page or OS RES volume. Could someone clarify for me? Also, I couldn't find the previous discussion in the archives about how many DASD volume should be available to receive the standalone dump. We plan to use "mod-9s", but how many should we have available? Largest LPAR will have 12 GiB central storage and run around 500 address spaces. z9-EC box, if that makes a difference. TIA, -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z New Application License Charges (zNALC) Announced
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of McKown, John > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Hal Merritt > > > > Agreed. But it does. There is a proposed stepwise procedure where you > > first change the name to '*', then to the target name. I plan to test > > that on my DR box in a week or so. > > All of which simply proves the inherent superiority of z/VM over LPAR. But z/VM costs "real money". LPAR is "free". -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: special characters in passwords
Arthur T. wrote: > also didn't list some minor ones (like the code to the push-button locks on the doors). I also didn't list all of the passwords and PINs needed in my personal life. Note that in about a quarter of the above, I could not be sure that the password was end-to-end encrypted, and thus had to be different from all other passwords. I believe that when Schneier said to write down passwords, he did mean work-related ones, too. And I agree. The alternative is that you'll have people with the same password on a weak system (maybe internal website) as a strong system (mainframe RACF). it doesn't have to be two different "strong" systems ... the major source of exploits, compromises, fraud ... etc are insiders ... all it takes is an insider in one domain, using common password to attack some other domain. slight allegory is that compromised merchant point-of-sale terminals are typically used to skim/harvest information and then (effectively replay) attack at some completely different merchant ... as opposed to using a compromised point-of-sale terminal to directly do fraudulent transactions. there is also a allegory with SSL used for encrypting financial transactions ... there are an enormous number of areas where the financial transaction as accessed and stored ... while SSL is only used to hide the information for a fleeting moment while it transits the internet. in any case, that was one of the reasons i took a look at what would be necessary to morph from an institutional-centric authentication paradigm to a person-centric authentication paradigm ... previous post in thread: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007b.html#12 Special characters in passwords was: Re: RACF - Password rules a prevalent and widely deployed single-sign-on infrastructure is based on kerberos ... a couple recent posts mentioning kerberos http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007.html#15 SSL info http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007.html#32 V2X2 vs. Shark (SnapShot v. FlashCopy) and lots of past posts mentioning kerberos and/or pk-init (i.e. where a public key is registered in lieu of kerberos password and using the public key to authenticate digital signature) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subpubkey.html#kerberos -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Special characters in passwords was Re: RACF - Password rules .
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of McKown, John > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jon Brock > > > > I know some people think that C is the best programming language in > > history, but this is one reason -- another being the tendency it > > engenders for pointer problems -- that I could never get into it > > wholeheartedly. > > Java! Java! Java! No, wait. Perl! Perl! Perl! Uh, make that > Ruby! Ruby! > Ruby! OK, old-timers repeat after me COBOL! COBOL! COBOL! Assembumbler! Assembumbler! Assembumbler! -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Special characters in passwords was Re: RACF - Password rules .
On 10 Jan 2007 11:30:31 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Comstock) wrote: >> Java! Java! Java! No, wait. Perl! Perl! Perl! Uh, make that Ruby! Ruby! >> Ruby! OK, old-timers repeat after me COBOL! COBOL! COBOL! >> > >Assembler! Assembler! Assembler! We don't need no stinking assemblers. We've got wire boards! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Special characters in passwords was Re: RACF - Password rules .
McKown, John wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Brock Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 1:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Special characters in passwords was Re: RACF - Password rules . I know some people think that C is the best programming language in history, but this is one reason -- another being the tendency it engenders for pointer problems -- that I could never get into it wholeheartedly. Jon Java! Java! Java! No, wait. Perl! Perl! Perl! Uh, make that Ruby! Ruby! Ruby! OK, old-timers repeat after me COBOL! COBOL! COBOL! Assembler! Assembler! Assembler! -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com -- to be included in our opt-in list of announcements of -- new courses and other products and services from The -- Trainer's Friend, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z New Application License Charges (zNALC) Announced
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hal Merritt > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 1:19 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: z New Application License Charges (zNALC) Announced > > > Agreed. But it does. There is a proposed stepwise procedure where you > first change the name to '*', then to the target name. I plan to test > that on my DR box in a week or so. All of which simply proves the inherent superiority of z/VM over LPAR. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Special characters in passwords was Re: RACF - Password rules .
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Brock > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 1:19 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Special characters in passwords was Re: RACF - > Password rules . > > > I know some people think that C is the best programming > language in history, but this is one reason -- another being > the tendency it engenders for pointer problems -- that I > could never get into it wholeheartedly. > > Jon Java! Java! Java! No, wait. Perl! Perl! Perl! Uh, make that Ruby! Ruby! Ruby! OK, old-timers repeat after me COBOL! COBOL! COBOL! -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: So, OK, no more promotions from me - after this one
replacing rosie or donald? IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 01/10/2007 09:39:31 AM: > Tuesday I have audition for hosting a TV show; if I get > the gig it would be a minimum of 26 weeks of work. > Kind regards, > -Steve Comstock - The information contained in this communication (including any attachments hereto) is confidential and is intended solely for the personal and confidential use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. The information may also constitute a legally privileged confidential communication. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, dissemination, copying, or unauthorized use of this information, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. Thank you -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z New Application License Charges (zNALC) Announced
Agreed. But it does. There is a proposed stepwise procedure where you first change the name to '*', then to the target name. I plan to test that on my DR box in a week or so. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 12:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z New Application License Charges (zNALC) Announced A POR should no longer be required to rename an LPAR. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message, together with any attachment, may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, printing, saving, copying, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete all copies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Special characters in passwords was Re: RACF - Password rules .
I know some people think that C is the best programming language in history, but this is one reason -- another being the tendency it engenders for pointer problems -- that I could never get into it wholeheartedly. Jon in much of the 90s, the biggest (internet) related threats were from buffer overflow exploits ... mostly related to c language programming conventions. lots of posts on this topic http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#overflow implementations done in other languages suffered much fewer (or none) overflow exploits. I know of none in the original mainframe tcp/ip done in pascal/vs -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z New Application License Charges (zNALC) Announced
Hal Merritt wrote: Now, I have a year or two to figure out how to get my shop to zNALC. Two *really* annoying requirements is a special LPAR name and being mutually exclusive with z/os.e. The conversion looks to be a royal blue PITA. C'mon, IBM, why a POR? All this noise about high availability and you make me do something like that so you can change your pricing schemes. Not cool. A POR should no longer be required to rename an LPAR. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Forbidding Special characters in passwords
Please tell that to the automobile insurance companies. Last time I looked, they were still using their indecipherable coverage codes to report policy options (well, Geico was at least). Usually something along the lines of AX4T90F1PE with 5 pages explaining what each character and position represents. "Howard Brazee" <> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... The days of us giving everybody the same report and telling our users to learn to read it are numbered. Now our customers include the general public and they aren't interested in doing things my way. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: special characters in passwords
On 10 Jan 2007 03:36:33 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main (Message-ID:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (R.S.) wrote: BTW: Bruce Schneier's opinion on writing passwords cannot be treated as recommendation for internal company systems. He rather meant many sites on the web, etc. Many systems, unrelated on to each other, many rules, sometimes very hard to user. Application like password safe are good for this case. However it shouldn't be understood like recommendation for company systems. Better one is single sign on product. Single sign-on is definitely the way to go, if possible. However, it was not available at my old shop. Nor is it possible for *all* of the passwords you need in your job. At my old job, I had: 10 MVS systems w/ separate RACF databases 2 RACF RVARY passwords per system 1 VM system with unencrypted password file 1 Customer system which, I believe, had unencrypted passwords 2 IBMLINK userids 3 Omegamon passwords 3 TMS passwords 1 PC power-on password 1 SecurID password 1 E-mail system password 1 Problem/Change mgt password 1 long-distance phone password 1 voicemail password 1 internal website password 5 (or more) vendor website passwords You might be able to SSO some of these, but not all of them. I also didn't list some minor ones (like the code to the push-button locks on the doors). I also didn't list all of the passwords and PINs needed in my personal life. Note that in about a quarter of the above, I could not be sure that the password was end-to-end encrypted, and thus had to be different from all other passwords. I believe that when Schneier said to write down passwords, he did mean work-related ones, too. And I agree. The alternative is that you'll have people with the same password on a weak system (maybe internal website) as a strong system (mainframe RACF). -- I cannot receive mail at the address this was sent from. To reply directly, send to ar23hur "at" intergate "dot" com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Special characters in passwords was Re: RACF - Password rules .
Howard Brazee writes: One of the tough choices programmers come up with is when a 30 year old program that has been modified every year - should be replaced. This type of decision becomes more difficult with people who design operating systems and systems that interface with other systems. in much of the 90s, the biggest (internet) related threats were from buffer overflow exploits ... mostly related to c language programming conventions. lots of posts on this topic http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#overflow implementations done in other languages suffered much fewer (or none) overflow exploits. I know of none in the original mainframe tcp/ip done in pascal/vs ... i had done the enhancement to support rfc 1044 ... base thruput (on 3090) was something like 44kbytes/sec aggregate thruput ... some tuning at cray research between 4341-clone and cray, the rfc 1044 support was getting 1mbyte/sec ... misc. past posts http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.thm#1044 similarly, it has been claimed that there were no known buffer overflow exploits in Multics (implemented in PLI) ... some past posts. http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002l.html#42 Thirty Years Later: Lessons from the Multics Security Evaluation http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002l.html#44 Thirty Years Later: Lessons from the Multics Security Evaluation http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002l.html#45 Thirty Years Later: Lessons from the Multics Security Evaluation for some drift, multics was on the 5th floor ... and the science center was on the 4th floor http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech which brought you virtual machines, the internal network (from which came bitnet/earn), gml precursor to sgml, html, xml, etc), and loads of other online and interactive tools. around the turn of the century ... because of the introduction of automatic scripting ... the exploits started to shift to half overflows and half automatic scripting (i.e. files or email arriving from the network would include script code that would be automatically executed). I had tried to categorize information from various exploit databases http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004e.html#43 security taxonomy and CVE ... looking to enhance my merged security taxonomy and glossary http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/index.html#glossnote however, the descriptions were quite free form and I complained that they could be quite difficult to categorize. since then there have been some announcements that they would be adding more structure to exploit database entries to aid categorization later a more extensive exploit study ... including various human factor characteristics came up with 1/3rd overloads, 1/3rd automatic scripting and 1/3 social engineering. social engineering includes phishing, convincing people to divulge information, convinging people to execute programs arriving over the network, etc. some of the suggestions for transition to dumb devices ... isn't so much whether they are dumb or not ... it is whether they support loading and execution of foreign (and potentially extremely hostile) code. turns out that vast majority of devices that have been classified as "dumb" are providing features for loading and execution of foreign code (of one sort or another). this is a problem we had to deal with on the internal network http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#internalnet a couple decades ago ... and a flavor of it showed up on bitnet/earn http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#bitnet even before showing up on the internet ... ref ... http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005b.html#20 Buffer overruns one of the other issues with "smart" vis-a-vis "dumb" devices connected to the internet ... is one of the most prevalent platforms dates back to something that was designed to operate in totally unconnected environment ... and as such had no defenses and countermeasures. some number of applications even grew up taking advantage of being able to assume complete control of the machine (like games). later ... adding internet connectivity to the same platform created quite a bit of a problem a) platform that was designed to have no defenses and countermeasures, b) large set of applications that took advantage of the platform not having defenses and countermeasures and c) connected to an extremely hostile network environment which requires significant defenses and countermeasures. recently there has been some work on using virtualization in attempt to address the diametrically opposing requirements ... no defenses and countermeasures at the same time requiring very extensive defenses and countermeasures. other posts in this thread: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007b.html#6 Special characters in passwords was Re: RACF - Password rules http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007b.html#8 Special characters in passwords was Re: RACF - Password rules http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007b.html#10 Special characters in passwords was Re: RACF - Passwor
Re: DFSORT question
Frank Silven wrote: > Can somebody pls help me with a problem I have when DFSORT reformats a VB 602 file > to a new VB 612 file having a leading record sequence nr > > JCL step: > > //SORT03 EXEC PGM=SORT,PARM='SIZE=MAX',COND=(0,NE) > //SORTIN DD DSN=XE01.XE40.GNROSC.DATA,DISP=SHR > //SORTOUT DD DSN=XD0113.SAMPLE.V4,DISP=OLD > //SORTWK01 DD UNIT=DISK,SPACE=(CYL,(25),RLSE) > //SORTWK02 DD UNIT=DISK,SPACE=(CYL,(25),RLSE) > //SYSOUT DD SYSOUT=* > //SYSINDD * > OPTION COPY > OUTFIL FNAMES=SORTOUT, > OUTREC=(1:1,4, > 5:SEQNUM,10,ZD, >15:5,598),VLFILL=C' ' > /* > ... > I suspect that the VLFILL option causes all trailing bytes (up to data byte 608) being filled with blanks. This way all > resulting output records have a data portion padded with blanks up to databytepos 608 in the new file. > > However I want DFSORT to automatically adapt the leading 4 byte RDW from the old RDW + 10 bytes. But i dont want > the padding up to the max record length! When I omit the VLFILL clause then i get a DFSORT abend message on the > first record telling that 40 bytes do not fill up the data portion of 608 bytes > > Any ideas ? Thanks a lot in advance To do what you want, you can use: OPTION COPY OUTFIL FNAMES=SORTOUT, OUTREC=(1:1,4, 5:SEQNUM,10,ZD, 15:5) 5,598 and VLFILL=C' ' tells DFSORT to pad the records. 5 without a length tells DFSORT to include the bytes from position 5 to the end of the record without padding . Frank Yaeger - DFSORT Team (IBM) - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Specialties: PARSE, JFY, SQZ, ICETOOL, IFTHEN, OVERLAY, Symbols, Migration => DFSORT/MVS is on the Web at http://www.ibm.com/storage/dfsort/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Forbidding Special characters in passwords
On 1/10/2007 12:53 PM, Sebastian Welton wrote: On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 12:45:29 -0500, Walt Farrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 1/10/2007 12:14 PM, Howard Brazee wrote: I'm amazed about the number of sites that believe that the consumers should do things their way.Some other examples include: ...snipped... 2. Not accepting 8 digit zip codes. I didn't know there were any valid 8-digit zip codes. 5, or 9, yes. But 8? A zip code is a the equivalent to a postcode in the UK which can be anything from 5 to 7 characters. Worldwide they vary: Yes, I know that other countries have different formats, but I would expect anything wanting a "zip" code to want a US code. In my (admittedly limit4ed) experience sites that accept non-US addresses label the field differently, or have a separate field. That helps in verifying validity, for the cases where validation is possible. I could understand it if Howard had complained about sites that require US addresses (but there the argument is probably that they don't want to have to pay international postage, or recognize that they need to do so). Walt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Forbidding Special characters in passwords
On 10 Jan 2007 09:46:04 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Walt Farrell) wrote: >2. Not accepting 8 digit zip codes. > >I didn't know there were any valid 8-digit zip codes. 5, or 9, yes. But 8? Oops, not in the US. (If you want foreign business, know about foreign address standards). How about 10 characters - as in "80026-2895"?A user friendly interface should accept that. The days of us giving everybody the same report and telling our users to learn to read it are numbered.Now our customers include the general public and they aren't interested in doing things my way. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Forbidding Special characters in passwords
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 12:45:29 -0500, Walt Farrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On 1/10/2007 12:14 PM, Howard Brazee wrote: >> I'm amazed about the number of sites that believe that the consumers >> should do things their way.Some other examples include: >>...snipped... >2. Not accepting 8 digit zip codes. > >I didn't know there were any valid 8-digit zip codes. 5, or 9, yes. But 8? A zip code is a the equivalent to a postcode in the UK which can be anything from 5 to 7 characters. Worldwide they vary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_postal_codes Seb. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Forbidding Special characters in passwords
On 1/10/2007 12:14 PM, Howard Brazee wrote: I'm amazed about the number of sites that believe that the consumers should do things their way.Some other examples include: ...snipped... 2. Not accepting 8 digit zip codes. I didn't know there were any valid 8-digit zip codes. 5, or 9, yes. But 8? Walt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: zNALC in an LPAR and z/VSE V4 Sub-Capacity Pricing
Bill Klein wrote: "Tony Harminc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... McKown, John wrote: I'm not sure if this is a good thing, but it will presumably eliminate the point of things like the COBOL compiler to JVM bytecodes that at least a couple of vendors provide(d), other than as an off-mainframe migration aid. ACTUALLY, I think that MORE COBOL applications will now be eligible. Rather than being required to use a CEEPIPI "driver" program, all that one will need to do is prove (?) that the same application is available on Windows, Unix, HP-UX, etc. Given the large number of compilers that claim to port z/OS COBOL applications to these environments "seamlessly", I don't know how IBM will distinguish between them and Java, C, whatever programs also running on those platforms. You can even run CICS and IMS programs on Windows with Micro Focus, CA-Realia (and I think Fujitsu). You can also run non-LE conforming Assembler with Micro Focus and Realia. *** It wouldn't surprise me if the T&C's change before z/OS.e goes bye-bye, but as announced today, this actually opens up MANY more applications than are "legal" under z/OS.e. Well, I hope you're right on this, Bill. I took some time and went back to read the announcment more carefully. It's pretty complex. But it looks to me that a company's private apps (inventory, billing, personnel, etc.), if developed by the company for the company's use, are not eligible. It doesn't seem to me that because a program was written in COBOL (or Assembler or PL/I or C or C++) makes it eligible. It's only if there is a commercially viable product designed to run on multiple platforms (and can thus be ported to z) that makes it eligible. But, of course, the devil is in the details. A lot depends on how laid back IBM is in allowing apps to be considered eligible. We shall see how it all unfolds. Kind regards, -Steve Comstock -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Forbidding Special characters in passwords
A huge technical reason is that many such characters are not encoded the same on different platforms. Character translations occur all over the place. Another reason could be that complex passwords have not been shown to add value. In fact, I have seen one study (I wish I could recall the source) that suggests that simpler is better. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Mattson Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 10:51 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Forbidding Special characters in passwords I am constantly amazed at the number of sites which FORBID the use of special characters in passwords and userid's. And by the sites which LIMIT the length of passwords and userid's. Since the number of possible combinations increases exponentially with the possibe values for each character and the number of characters, I cannot fathom why they impose such limits. But they do on such financial sites as Vanguard Mutual Funds, Scottrade, and World Savings. I eMail them regularly and complain, but I have seen no changes so far. There may be a case for forbidding certain special characters, and I think that requiring special characters might be counter productive, but I cannot see any logical reason for completely forbidding them. NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message, together with any attachment, may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, printing, saving, copying, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete all copies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Forbidding Special characters in passwords
John Mattson wrote: I am constantly amazed at the number of sites which FORBID the use of special characters in passwords and userid's. And by the sites which LIMIT the length of passwords and userid's. Since the number of possible combinations increases exponentially with the possibe values for each character and the number of characters, I cannot fathom why they impose such limits. But they do on such financial sites as Vanguard Mutual Funds, Scottrade, and World Savings. I eMail them regularly and complain, but I have seen no changes so far. There may be a case for forbidding certain special characters, and I think that requiring special characters might be counter productive, but I cannot see any logical reason for completely forbidding them. Because they don't exist on ATMs. If you have a debit/credit card tied to your account and go to an ATM, you can't enter the special characters (perhaps except # and *). ATMs also limit the password lengths, so that the software inside doesn't have to have more buffer space than absolutely necessary. That also probably eliminated upper/lower case differences as well. Quite possibly folds the letters into the appropriate numbers as on the phone. Kim Goldenberg -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: So, OK, no more promotions from me - after this one
The IDUG DB2 listserv has a good solution to this issue. We require (I am a volunteer) that any promotions, ads, etc, have, as a prefix on the subject line the lateral '[AD]' in this way, those who are interested can still read them and those who do not can delete/filter Just an idea Robert Galambos Compuware Senior Technical Specialist IBM Certified Solutions Expert - DB2 UDB for OS/390 Database Administration [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: +1 905 886 7000 Toll Free: +1 800 263 7189 Fax: +1 905 886 7023 Quebec: +1 877-281-1888 Compuware Canada Service is our best product Les renseignements contenus dans le présent message électronique sont confidentiels et concernent exclusivement le(s) destinataire(s) désigné(s). Il est strictement interdit de distribuer ou de copier ce message. Si vous avez reçu ce message par erreur, veuillez répondre par courriel à l'expéditeur et effacer ou détruire toutes les copies du présent message. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Comstock Sent: January 9, 2007 12:00 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: So, OK, no more promotions from me - after this one Recently I got a post on the ISPF list objecting to my posting announcements of new courses and offerings on the list. In response, I've gotten a number of emails both on- and off-list from people who say they don't mind seeing my announcements from time to time. As well as a few who say they agree with the objections to my doing this. At the same time, I understand and respect the tradition of usenets and listservs being mostly promotion-free forums for the exchanging of ideas. So one idea someone suggested was to build an opt-in list of people who wish to be kept current on courses and other offerings we have available. So if anyone else is interested in being on my opt-in list, let me know. (Aside from Rob, Amy, John K., John McK., and Bob H.) And I promise I will stop posting promotion-only emails from now on. (I consider a sly pointer to a relevant course as part of answering a question to be OK). Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. http://www.trainersfriend.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Forbidding Special characters in passwords
On 10 Jan 2007 08:50:58 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I am constantly amazed at the number of sites which FORBID the use of >special characters in passwords and userid's. And by the sites which >LIMIT the length of passwords and userid's. Since the number of possible >combinations increases exponentially with the possibe values for each >character and the number of characters, I cannot fathom why they impose >such limits. But they do on such financial sites as Vanguard Mutual >Funds, Scottrade, and World Savings. I eMail them regularly and complain, >but I have seen no changes so far. There may be a case for forbidding >certain special characters, and I think that requiring special characters >might be counter productive, but I cannot see any logical reason for >completely forbidding them. I'm amazed about the number of sites that believe that the consumers should do things their way.Some other examples include: 1. Not accepting spaces in credit card numbers (there's a reason they are on the cards). 2. Not accepting 8 digit zip codes. 3. Not accepting complex names with mixed case letters. 4. Making it extremely difficult to get help. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: So, OK, no more promotions from me - after this one
On Jan 10, 2007, at 8:39 AM, Steve Comstock wrote: --SNIP--- Tuesday I have audition for hosting a TV show; if I get the gig it would be a minimum of 26 weeks of work. Steve: Don't "ham" it up too much they will complain that there is too much bacon:( Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: INFO ZIP Large File Error
Hi, I got it working zipping a 840 cylinder file. I think the problem is due to file names - mixture of numbers and characters. It takes a long time though - about 10 minutes cpu and 30 minutes clock time. Crystal -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Forbidding Special characters in passwords
I am constantly amazed at the number of sites which FORBID the use of special characters in passwords and userid's. And by the sites which LIMIT the length of passwords and userid's. Since the number of possible combinations increases exponentially with the possibe values for each character and the number of characters, I cannot fathom why they impose such limits. But they do on such financial sites as Vanguard Mutual Funds, Scottrade, and World Savings. I eMail them regularly and complain, but I have seen no changes so far. There may be a case for forbidding certain special characters, and I think that requiring special characters might be counter productive, but I cannot see any logical reason for completely forbidding them. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Special characters in passwords was Re: RACF - Password rules .
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 09:21:53 -0700, Anne & Lynn Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >security (actually almost any characteristic) guideline has been that >it has to be built in as part of the base infrastructure and KISS. One of the tough choices programmers come up with is when a 30 year old program that has been modified every year - should be replaced. This type of decision becomes more difficult with people who design operating systems and systems that interface with other systems. Here's an excerpt from the following URL: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/15.01/start.html?pg=15 According to Jonathan Zittrain, professor of Internet governance and regulation at Oxford University, these software saboteurs will drive smart users to dumber appliances like BlackBerrys, iPods, and Xboxes. In his upcoming book, Zittrain writes that the migration to closed systems will end innovation on the Internet. We asked the veteran info-freedom fighter why hes wearing such gloom-colored glasses. His book assumes we don't change direction before we're forced to. Is he correct? Are we that stuck in the mire of our own making? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z New Application License Charges (zNALC) Announced
The impact to us is not clear. It is also not clear how this will make my life easier. I salute IBM for trying to help us with pricing. We really appreciate the efforts. We spent a good deal of time and money in getting to z/os.e and sub capacity pricing. I have to say the benefits were well worth the costs. All of our loved ones are now on z/os.e with z/os in 'penalty box' LPARs capped to a near wait state. z/os is not even a high priority in our DR plan. Now, I have a year or two to figure out how to get my shop to zNALC. Two *really* annoying requirements is a special LPAR name and being mutually exclusive with z/os.e. The conversion looks to be a royal blue PITA. C'mon, IBM, why a POR? All this noise about high availability and you make me do something like that so you can change your pricing schemes. Not cool. I guess the good news is that there will be some cause to keep me on the payroll for a bit longer :-) My $0.02 (before taxes) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy Sipples Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 9:01 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: z New Application License Charges (zNALC) Announced Apologies if this is already on the list: http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/6/897/ENUS207-006/ENUS207006.PDF Looks all good. A whole lot simpler, and it's (new) application-based licensing rather than technology-based. It was a little strange having both NALC and z/OS.e, and now it's all unified. I think it makes life easier for the sysprog, too. - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Specializing in Software Architectures Related to System z Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan and IBM Asia-Pacific E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message, together with any attachment, may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, printing, saving, copying, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete all copies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SubSystem Interface - IEFJRASP - help! - Really late reply...
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 09:30:50 -0500, Craddock, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >... >>The question of who's on first is kinda silly, but I have seen >developers convince themselves that they just -had- to be first. As we >know, there's really no rational way to ensure that it so. >... Those that merely inspect are satisfied with being first. Those that modify probably want to be both first and last. >... >It might be easier all around if IBM surveyed the current usage of those >hooks and offered new dynamic exit intercepts, or in some cases perhaps >just new ENF signals, so products can get notified of the things the >need to see and get out of the BCP's panties at the same time. >... That would be fine for those that just want to look. I don't think that would satisfy those that "know" they need to modify something. Pat O'Keefe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Warning on IBM APAR OA17011
I have sent a feedback to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to get the book corrected next time it is updated. Mike Wood RMM Development On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 06:04:39 -0600, Steve O'Connell wrote: >Incidentally, the IBM Redbook Enterprise Tape A Practical Guide I have >says : > >Since no management class attributes are available for tape cartridges, >defining management classes is optional and not recommended. > >Regards, > Steve O. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Special characters in passwords was Re: RACF - Password rules .
R.S. writes: Additional security also raises the price. Almost always. Additional complexity doesn't always mean additional security, sometimes the opposite. any add-on features increase complexity ... complexity increases costs ... complexity also tends to make infrastructures more vulnerable and fragile ... with failures tending to happen in unexpected ways. I've even used the analogy between various after-market/add-on security features and after-market automobile seat belts back in the 60s. security (actually almost any characteristic) guideline has been that it has to be built in as part of the base infrastructure and KISS. as before, misc. past posts mentioning fraud, vulnerabilities, threats, exploits, risk http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#fraud from 3-factor authentication paradigm http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#3factor * something you have * something you know * something you are ... shared-secrets like pin and passwords http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subintegrity.html#secrets work sort-of ok, as "something you know" authentication when the person had one (or at most a very few) shared secret to remember. a problem is the paradigm scales up very poorly. however, a lot of institutions continue to make believe that they are the one and only security domain that a user has to deal with (and therefor theirs is the only password the person needs to remember). in reality, many people are dealing with scores of unique security domains and therefor dealing with large number of places requiring authentication. when the authentication is a (static) shared-secret, the requirement is that there be a unique value per security domain (as countermeasure to cross-domain attacks). previous posts in this thread http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007b.html#6 Special characters in passwords was Re: RACF - Password rules http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007b.html#8 Special characters in passwords was Re: RACF - Password rules -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Sort problem
Rashmi Mogali wrote on 01/10/2007 04:26:44 AM: > My input file with record length - 80 bytes is in the following format: > > > AA BBB 12345 > AA BB 12345 > AAA BBB > > My desired output is: > > > AA,BBB,12345 > AA,BB,12345 > AAA,BBB > > How can this be accomplished? Here's a DFSORT job that will do what you asked for. You'll need z/OS DFSORT V1R5 PTF UK90007 or DFSORT R14 PTF UK90006 (April, 2006) in order to use DFSORT's SQZ function. If you don't have the April, 2006 PTF, ask your System Programmer to install it (it's free). For complete details on all of the new DFSORT and ICETOOL functions available with the April, 2006 PTF, see: www.ibm.com/servers/storage/support/software/sort/mvs/peug/ //S1EXEC PGM=ICEMAN //SYSOUTDD SYSOUT=* //SORTIN DD DSN=... input file (FB/80) //SORTOUT DD DSN=... output file (FB/80) //SYSINDD* OPTION COPY INREC BUILD=(1,80,SQZ=(SHIFT=LEFT,MID=C',')) /* Frank Yaeger - DFSORT Team (IBM) - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Specialties: PARSE, JFY, SQZ, ICETOOL, IFTHEN, OVERLAY, Symbols, Migration => DFSORT/MVS is on the Web at http://www.ibm.com/storage/dfsort/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Special characters in passwords was Re: RACF - Password rules .
On 10 Jan 2007 06:39:57 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (R.S.) wrote: >Some auditors told me that it should be 3. I always asked why - "because >it should be 3. Everywhere is 3". My answer: "here is 5, si it invalid >number? It's not true about everywhere, because in many places it's >infinity". >I also discussed it on RACF-L. >The only reasonable answer I've got is it came from baseball rule: >"three strikes and you're out". >Maybe the rule sounds different I have no idea about baseball rules. I'm >not sure if there are any. It's nice for consumers to know the rules. For instance, if I screw up my PIN at an ATM, I will retry once, but not twice. Because I know that if I screw up in my third attempt, I won't have a card for a while.It's amazing how unsure I am with a PIN after I make a mistake. My office has coded entry - but the third floor has a different shaped keyboard.The numbers are worn out of the main keyboard but I don't really enter my entry PIN by number, but by motor memory - which doesn't work when the keyboard is arranged differently. But hackers also like knowing the rules. They can try twice per day to hack a PIN just the same way as consumers do. Passwords are a technology that needs to be replace. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Special characters in passwords was Re: RACF - Password rules .
On 10 Jan 2007 03:13:09 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (R.S.) wrote: >Additional security also raises the price. Almost always. >Additional complexity doesn't always mean additional security, sometimes >the opposite. Insufficient security can be much more expensive. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: USS Process Identifier (PID) information...
In a recent note, Jackson, Scott said: > Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 07:10:01 -0800 > > A coworker just asked a question about UNIX Systems Services Process > Identifiers (PIDs) that I do not have ready answer. > > Does the PID contain "information" relevant to the process? After > looking at several PIDs we noticed that looking at the hexadecimal > representation of the PID it looked like it may contain some sort of > "status" flags in the first halfword... > > Example of some PIDS that contain, various times, 0x0100, 0x0300, and > 0x0500. In others there are 0x0200 .I couldn't find anything in the > POSIX standards or IBM docs... (I'm running 1.7 of z/OS FWIW)... I also > didn't see these patterns in z/Linux or other OS types... Any meaning to > these or am I seeing things? > This was explained on MVS-OE many years ago. IIRC (poorly), the right two bytes are sequential, similar to the customary UNIX PID. The leftmost byte is an attempt to insure long-term uniqueness (I'm not convinced it succeeds.) The remaining byte is reserved for sysplex use. -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
USS Process Identifier (PID) information...
(posted to IBM-MAIN and MVS-OE) All, A coworker just asked a question about UNIX Systems Services Process Identifiers (PIDs) that I do not have ready answer. Does the PID contain "information" relevant to the process? After looking at several PIDs we noticed that looking at the hexadecimal representation of the PID it looked like it may contain some sort of "status" flags in the first halfword... Example of some PIDS that contain, various times, 0x0100, 0x0300, and 0x0500. In others there are 0x0200 .I couldn't find anything in the POSIX standards or IBM docs... (I'm running 1.7 of z/OS FWIW)... I also didn't see these patterns in z/Linux or other OS types... Any meaning to these or am I seeing things? Thanks! Example 1 1st PID 0001 decimal 1 (BPXOINIT) 2nd PID 0100 0154 decimal 16777556 PPID=1 3rd PID 0100 0145 decimal 16777541 PPID=16777556 4th PID 0161 decimal 353 PPID=16777541 Example 2 1st PID 000A decimal 10 (INETD) 2nd PID 0300 0151 decimal 50331985 PPID=10 3rd PID 0300 0148 decimal 50331976 PPID=50331985 4th PID 0400 01A7 decimal 67109287 PPID=50331976 Example 3 1st PID 0001 decimal 1 (BPXOINIT) 2nd PID 0500 017E decimal 83886462 PPID=1 3rd PID 0500 0167 decimal 83886439 PPID=83886462 4th PID 0300 01D6 decimal 50332118 PPID=83886439 - Scott Wm. Jackson Principle Software Engineer Informatica Corporation - It's here... PowerCenter For Z/OS It's here... PowerCenter For z/Linux -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: So, OK, no more promotions from me - after this one
Maybe you could interview "Tron Guy" Jay Maynard. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Steve Comstock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: So, OK, no more promotions from me - after this one Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 07:39:31 -0700 Eric N. Bielefeld wrote: > I really don't mind Steve's mentions of his courses, but I have to agree > with what Graeme said quoted below also. I know a few posters, > specifically Bruce Black, often mention their products. Bruce and Steve > have so many good answers, that even if you don't like their promoting > their products, they contribute a lot to the list. Thans for that (to you and Grame). > > By the way Steve, how is the market for your classes going? I know a > while back you weren't doing anything, and thinking of chucking the > whole business. Is it better now? > At this point, I have no classes confirmed for the rest of my life. Maybe, as I mentioned last year, the mainframe training business is too flaky and I should switch to something stable, like acting. Tuesday I have audition for hosting a TV show; if I get the gig it would be a minimum of 26 weeks of work. Kind regards, -Steve Comstock -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html _ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Special characters in passwords was Re: RACF - Password rules .
Ted MacNEIL wrote: BTW: I changed 3 strikes rule to 5 strikes and number of password reset issues was reduced over half (less than 50% left). We have no control of 'N'. Our security department picked three. Some auditors told me that it should be 3. I always asked why - "because it should be 3. Everywhere is 3". My answer: "here is 5, si it invalid number? It's not true about everywhere, because in many places it's infinity". I also discussed it on RACF-L. The only reasonable answer I've got is it came from baseball rule: "three strikes and you're out". Maybe the rule sounds different I have no idea about baseball rules. I'm not sure if there are any. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: So, OK, no more promotions from me - after this one
Eric N. Bielefeld wrote: I really don't mind Steve's mentions of his courses, but I have to agree with what Graeme said quoted below also. I know a few posters, specifically Bruce Black, often mention their products. Bruce and Steve have so many good answers, that even if you don't like their promoting their products, they contribute a lot to the list. Thans for that (to you and Grame). By the way Steve, how is the market for your classes going? I know a while back you weren't doing anything, and thinking of chucking the whole business. Is it better now? At this point, I have no classes confirmed for the rest of my life. Maybe, as I mentioned last year, the mainframe training business is too flaky and I should switch to something stable, like acting. Tuesday I have audition for hosting a TV show; if I get the gig it would be a minimum of 26 weeks of work. Kind regards, -Steve Comstock -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Comparsion between CA SRM , IBM storage allocation and BMC storage allocation
thanks Timothy sipples information. I just want to know anyone can share the experience after use the SRM product and which one is the best ...such as BMC, CA or IBM I think most product can do the same function but which one user friendly or consume more CPU or overhead... thanks On 1/9/07, Timothy Sipples <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >David O'Brien writes: >Tommy, You can add Teracloud's Spacefinder and Mainstar's >Catalog Recovery Plus to your list. Catalog Recovery Plus' >Map command will give you precise info about catalogs and >datasets as well as recommendations to correct problems like >'dead space' in KSDS files. >>Tommy Tsui writes: >>Our shop want to seek a software which can track the VSAM/QSAM >>extend and CA split level etc. Anypne have experience can share. David, FWIW I didn't read Tommy's question the way you did, although now that I read it again I'm confused about what exactly Tommy is looking for. :-) (Tommy: If you can reply with some additional details, that'd be great.) I was thinking Tivoli Allocation Optimizer for z/OS, BrightStor CA-Allocate, BMC MAINVIEW SRM, etc., and perhaps other vendor products (IDP's products maybe?) By way of general response, Tommy can contact all the vendors to get suggestions. Mainstar products, including CR+, are represented both by Mainstar directly and through IBM. I think most vendors probably can provide demonstrations, perhaps even providing remote access to a mainframe via the Internet for a test spin. Some vendors may also be able/willing to offer trials for products where a demonstration or remote trial use is not sufficient. Most people probably already know the IBM person to call or e-mail. But if you're absolutely stuck trying to find the right IBM person, here's a good list of contacts for mainframe tools/utilities: http://www.ibm.com/software/solutions/softwaremigration/contacts.html The "Contact Us" link (or equivalent) on CA, BMC, IDP, Mainstar, IBM, and other vendor Web sites usually works really well to summon the reps, too. :-) - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Specializing in Software Architectures Related to System z Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan and IBM Asia-Pacific E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SubSystem Interface - IEFJRASP - help! - Really late reply...
I said > >Aw c'mon Scott, using the dynamic exit facility is a no-brainer! > >Ensuring that your exit is always at the front of the queue is a little > >more challenging :-) (I didn't really mean I -wanted- to be first, or that I even wanted to be there at all) > Shmuel added these 2 cents: > > >Sigh! What is the supported programmatic way to do this when there is > >more than one program involved? They can't both be at the front of the > >queue. > > > >The first rule of systems programming should be: whatever you're > >doing, don't assume that you're the only one with a need to do it. After eons passed, Scott came back from his summer holiday to give us a terrifying answer to the rhetorical question of how to ensure that your own exit is always "first" with this amusing disclaimer: > Disclaimer: If two or more processes use this algorithm, the system will > perform no useful work.. Joking aside, the underlying problem is that too many vendors are adding front-ends to a wide range of system functions (not just SSI functions) because they perceive a "need" to control that function, or at least to know that it is being invoked and take some action. A lot of the automation products depend on that sort of approach. The question of who's on first is kinda silly, but I have seen developers convince themselves that they just -had- to be first. As we know, there's really no rational way to ensure that it so. It might be easier all around if IBM surveyed the current usage of those hooks and offered new dynamic exit intercepts, or in some cases perhaps just new ENF signals, so products can get notified of the things the need to see and get out of the BCP's panties at the same time. > Is that easy enough, Chris? Um... I am without words. :-) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: So, OK, no more promotions from me - after this one
I agree, and there's also nothing wrong with emailing Darren and asking if it's all right to post a message, and, if he blesses it, including a line in the post that Darren approved it. That has been done in the past many times. In my experience those types of posts aren't followed by an ongoing discussion of the relative merits of the post - like this one... Greg Shirey Ben E. Keith Company (if responding to this post, please edit out my email address - thanks) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Binyamin Dissen Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 3:20 AM On the other hand, there is absolutely nothing wrong with tagging a content post, i.e., an answer to a question, with a mini-ad for a course that addresses the issue. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: sort problem
Yes the spaces need to be replaced by comma -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of john gilmore Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 6:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: sort problem Are we to understand that multiple blanks, x'40' in EBCDIC or x'20' in ASCII, are to be replaced by a single field separator (a comma in your example)? John Gilmore Ashland, MA 01721-1817 USA _ Get FREE Web site and company branded e-mail from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html CAUTION - Disclaimer * This e-mail contains PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION intended solely for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by e-mail and delete the original message. Further, you are not to copy, disclose, or distribute this e-mail or its contents to any other person and any such actions are unlawful. This e-mail may contain viruses. Infosys has taken every reasonable precaution to minimize this risk, but is not liable for any damage you may sustain as a result of any virus in this e-mail. You should carry out your own virus checks before opening the e-mail or attachment. Infosys reserves the right to monitor and review the content of all messages sent to or from this e-mail address. Messages sent to or from this e-mail address may be stored on the Infosys e-mail system. ***INFOSYS End of Disclaimer INFOSYS*** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SubSystem Interface - IEFJRASP - help! - Really late reply...
> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Scott Fagen > > [ snip ] > > 1) Add your exit routine for the IEFJFRQ exit, specifying POS=FIRST. > 2) Add an exit routine for the CSVDYNEX exit point. Watch > for instances of programs attempting to install _their_ exit > as POS=FIRST for IEFJFRQ. When this happens, signal an > asynchronous process TO DO STUFF YOU SHOULDN'T DO IN THE EXIT ROUTINE > > Asynchronous process: > When signaled, use CSVDYNEX to delete your current active > IEFJFRQ exit routine. Then use CSVDYNEX to reinstall your > exit POS=FIRST. > > Disclaimer: If two or more processes use this algorithm, the > system will perform no useful work.. I can just hear the sound of a ping-pong game emanating from the machine "gaNIP gaNOP gaNIP gaNOP ...". :-) -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Special characters in passwords was Re: RACF - Password rules .
>BTW: I changed 3 strikes rule to 5 strikes and number of password reset issues was reduced over half (less than 50% left). We have no control of 'N'. Our security department picked three. Yaw tee pucketty! Rum ting clue! Ni! Ni! Ni! Arrooo! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Warning on IBM APAR OA17011
Kees, You are correct, guess I didn't explain that correctly. If you have a tape management system AND all your tapes are protected by rules defined within the tape management system then you are safe. However, if some of your tape files have their retention controlled by what is in the JCL then you at risk. It is documented that if you do not want a maximum retention enforced to specify NOLIMIT, so that has not changed. It is just that enforcement is just now being performed. Russell Witt CA-1 Level-2 Support Manager -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 6:19 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Warning on IBM APAR OA17011 .. I had to read Russel's text several time until I saw what he meant (I hope). He said, spread over several sentences: If you have an tape management system AND you have a parameter file (CA-1 RDS, etc.) that determines the expiration of tapes THEN nothing changes with the PTF and you are safe. In all other circumstances, your expiration processing might change. Kees. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: sort problem
Are we to understand that multiple blanks, x'40' in EBCDIC or x'20' in ASCII, are to be replaced by a single field separator (a comma in your example)? John Gilmore Ashland, MA 01721-1817 USA _ Get FREE Web site and company branded e-mail from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Sort problem
Hi, My input file with record length - 80 bytes is in the following format: AA BBB 12345 AA BB 12345 AAA BBB My desired output is: AA,BBB,12345 AA,BB,12345 AAA,BBB How can this be accomplished? Regards, Rashmi CAUTION - Disclaimer * This e-mail contains PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION intended solely for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by e-mail and delete the original message. Further, you are not to copy, disclose, or distribute this e-mail or its contents to any other person and any such actions are unlawful. This e-mail may contain viruses. Infosys has taken every reasonable precaution to minimize this risk, but is not liable for any damage you may sustain as a result of any virus in this e-mail. You should carry out your own virus checks before opening the e-mail or attachment. Infosys reserves the right to monitor and review the content of all messages sent to or from this e-mail address. Messages sent to or from this e-mail address may be stored on the Infosys e-mail system. ***INFOSYS End of Disclaimer INFOSYS*** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Warning on IBM APAR OA17011
""Steve O'Connell"" wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... > Russel, > can you clarify something for me please? > Your sig states that you support CA-1, and in your post you say that folks > running a tape management system (including CA-1) are safe, but you go on > to say that you have 2 clients (by deduction CA-1 customers?) who have > lost data as a result of this issue. > How did this occur? I had to read Russel's text several time until I saw what he meant (I hope). He said, spread over several sentences: If you have an tape management system AND you have a parameter file (CA-1 RDS, etc.) that determines the expiration of tapes THEN nothing changes with the PTF and you are safe. In all other circumstances, your expiration processing might change. Kees. ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Warning on IBM APAR OA17011
Russel, can you clarify something for me please? Your sig states that you support CA-1, and in your post you say that folks running a tape management system (including CA-1) are safe, but you go on to say that you have 2 clients (by deduction CA-1 customers?) who have lost data as a result of this issue. How did this occur? I took a look at our SMS managed tape setup and see that we don't pass a management class to tape datasets, and in fact the ACS routines set management class to NULL so I guess we are safe anyhow. Incidentally, the IBM Redbook Enterprise Tape A Practical Guide I have says : Since no management class attributes are available for tape cartridges, defining management classes is optional and not recommended. Regards, Steve O. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: special characters in passwords
Ted MacNEIL wrote: If you have no password rules, most people will pick a simple word. If you require at least one digit, most people will put it at the beginning or end. Both are easy prey to dictionary attacks. FUD! Pick a minimum length. Allow anything and an "N"-Strikes rule. The dictionary attack dies after "N" attempts. It is good to distinguish some terms. Dictionary attack is repetitivie trying to logon using some dictionary as password database. Brute force is trying all possible passwords, sometimes (usually?) brute force is OPTIMIZED to small subset of all possible attack, usually it is based on some dictionary plus some additions, like numeric at the end, etc. Both methods are unusable for RACF with N-strikes rule. I't much more likely to win Lotto than to find the password within N strikes. However there's also password guessing, social engineering etc. People tend to use their family names, dog name etc. In such case hacker have to learn about the user to try the password. However implementation of simple rule like ALPHANUM make this method unusable. The other attack could rely on "password iteration": My current password is JOHN01, the next will be JOHN02, etc. In such case *some insider* can watch the keyboard, find part of the password (or all at once) and then try once a day to find missing characters. This is quite dangerous, because once you get the password, you will know or easily try each next. The only method to prevent it in RACF is security exit which deny usage of password "too similar" to old one. This rule is not very popular. BTW: Bruce Schneier's opinion on writing passwords cannot be treated as recommendation for internal company systems. He rather meant many sites on the web, etc. Many systems, unrelated on to each other, many rules, sometimes very hard to user. Application like password safe are good for this case. However it shouldn't be understood like recommendation for company systems. Better one is single sign on product. So, for RACF (mainframe) I would vote for: RULE1(LENGTH(4:8) ALPHANUM(1:8))) HISTORY(32) REVOKE(5) INTERVAL(60) WARNING(3) MINCHANGE(1) MIXEDCASE if all applications support it. and some exit which prevent usage of userid as a part of the password, and new password similar to old one. Of course, it is good to create and maintain list of "forbidden words" like all postal codes and car registration numbers of all employees -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Special characters in passwords was Re: RACF - Password rules .
Ted MacNEIL wrote: [...] All these rules make it very difficult to come up with a new one. It took me 20 minutes to create one on one site. (Of course, in this case, it wouldn't tell me what rules it was using; I had to guess). I oftenly met security guys, which want to keep the security rules in secret. "Because it's security issue". They absolutely don't want to describe it on "everyone access" place, like Intranet. "Just for security". Ususally I'm able to convice them it's stupid. We have a "three strikes" policy, with a minimum length. And, that appears to be adequate. We also have 35% of our calls to the help desk as password resets. This was so expensive, we out sourced it to Manilla and are now payin 15-20% of the cost. Additional complexity just raises the price. Additional security also raises the price. Almost always. Additional complexity doesn't always mean additional security, sometimes the opposite. BTW: I changed 3 strikes rule to 5 strikes and number of password reset issues was reduced over half (less than 50% left). -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: So, OK, no more promotions from me - after this one
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 09:03:03 + Jim McAlpine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: :>On 1/10/07, Charles Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: :>> With all the trivia and word games and nostalgia and nit-picking and such :>> that gets posted, how could anyone object to the announcement of a new :>> mainframe class? :>> I say "keep up the announcements, Steve." The people who need the classes :>> most are the least likely to sign up for the opt-in list. How will :>> tomorrow's newbie know? Are you going to re-post the "no more promotions" :>> announcement every six months? :>> So far as I know, every PC comes equipped with an ANSI-standard delete :>> key. :>Couldn't agree more. At least it's relevant. As you say there's lots of :>other crap that people can complain about. You've got my vote Steve. I am against just plain advertisements - such as not enough students yet for course X. An opt-in list for course announcements is a good idea. On the other hand, there is absolutely nothing wrong with tagging a content post, i.e., an answer to a question, with a mini-ad for a course that addresses the issue. -- Binyamin Dissen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar & Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: So, OK, no more promotions from me - after this one
On 1/10/07, Charles Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: With all the trivia and word games and nostalgia and nit-picking and such that gets posted, how could anyone object to the announcement of a new mainframe class? I say "keep up the announcements, Steve." The people who need the classes most are the least likely to sign up for the opt-in list. How will tomorrow's newbie know? Are you going to re-post the "no more promotions" announcement every six months? So far as I know, every PC comes equipped with an ANSI-standard delete key. Charles Couldn't agree more. At least it's relevant. As you say there's lots of other crap that people can complain about. You've got my vote Steve. Jim McAlpine -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SubSystem Interface - IEFJRASP - help! - Really late reply...
On Tue, 9 Jan 2007 22:53:48 -0600 Scott Fagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: :>Or is there a need to have a r/o exit point prior to the r/w exit point to :>ensure than anyone who needs to can see the SSI request before the unwashed :>masses get their grubby hands on it? Great idea. Of course, those that want to completely filter certain calls will still do the front end. An "intelligent" front end should pass thru any call it does not understand, even if it looks completely bogus. Another front end may use the bogus data for its own use. -- Binyamin Dissen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar & Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
