Re: SCLM Translator Questions

[Rob Scott]

Ken,

For (1), you add the SPMs as "opcodes" in the parser for HLASM. 

Here at Rocket we use a modified version of the supplied REXX exec
FLMLRASM and add the SPMs into the "opcodes.i" stem variable.




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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ken Kornblum
Sent: 08 April 2007 10:32
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: SCLM Translator Questions

Greetings.  I am creating a new SCLM project and have experimented my
brains out but have yet to resolve two issues.  Several of us are
implementing SCLM source control for our products, but there isn't a lot
of expertise around yet.

1) Structured Macros (HLASM)
Any program which contains structured macros are getting build errors on
IF,ELSE,ENDIF etc.  Member ASMMSP is in a non-SCLM controlled library
which is in my SYSLIB in the SCLM language definition.

As a rule, we COPY ASMMSP from within a macro which is part of our
normal program prologue.  To correct this I tried coding COPY ASMMSP at
the top of the program (rather than having it nested in our macro) but
that did not help.  I also tried SINC ASMMSP and INCLD ASMMSP in my (CC)
ARCHDEF for the source program.  No Joy.  I know this can be done.  What
is the trick?

2) DB2 SQL Precompile with HLASM
Most of my DB2 programs which contain SQL are fine, but several contain
statements in DSECTs such as:

NORMAL_VARDS  A
HOSTVARNAME  SQL TYPE IS ROWID
HOSTVARNAME2 SQL TYPE IS BLOB_LOCATOR

But, I get BUILD error FLM43001 for TYPE: MACLIB  MEMBER: SQL.  So, it
obviously does not recognize that syntax.  Again, there MUST be a way to
do this since that syntax has been valid for quite a while.

Thanks in advance for any assistance,

Ken Kornblum
Product Author
Neon Enterprise Software Inc.
Austin, Texas

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Re: Effects of Linux on z...ISV support and z/OS (Was: IBM to the PCM market)

[Gibney, Dave]

   It's still a hard sell at 100K per IFL plus 40K z/VM and no real
promises that the workload matches until you try it. You can buy fail a
lot of squatty boxes with that kind of money and you don't need it all
in one chunk.

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Behalf Of Timothy Sipples
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 6:29 PM
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Subject: Effects of Linux on z...ISV support and z/OS (Was: IBM to the
PCM market)

Steve Comstock wrote:
>Linux, Linux, and more Linux.
>So I guess the message is "Kiss z/OS goodbye", eh?

"My goodness, is IBM really saying that?"  Please go back, look at the
context in which I provided that Linux-related URL, and please read
between
the lines.  Anyone figured it out yet?  I've said enough. :-)

However, since you bring it up, let's pause for half a second and think
about the effects Linux on System z has on z/OS.  I leave it as an
exercise
to the reader to figure out why and how, but I contend (and observe)
that
Linux is one of the best things for z/OS.  And for z/VSE, z/TPF, and
z/VM.
*Especially* for small mainframe shops.  So, should IBM-MAINers be
hostile
to Linux on zor the opposite?

Discuss. :-)

- - - - -
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Specializing in Software Architectures Related to System z
Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan and IBM Asia-Pacific
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string replace mainframe macro or rexx/clist

Hello  all,
Any one here can help me with a mainframe macro or rexx/clist  code to 
replace string1 with string2 and string3 with string4 and so on in one 
execution 
of the code itself.

Thanks a lot in advance

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Spam: ISPF 5.7 problem

[nafez]

Hello;

I have a problem with our Z/OS 1.7 when I list the datasets (option 3.4 in 
ISPF 5.7 ) which is giving wrong values for the number of tracks used, and 
here is

the screen image as follows :


  Menu  Options  View  Utilities  Compilers  Help
ss P10 ISRUDSL0 Sets Matching D03G003   Row 12 of26 Command - Enter "/" to select action  Tracks %Used XTDevice ---  D03G003.HCD.MSGLOG1?13390  D03G003.HCD.TERM 1113390  D03G003.HCD.TRACE   1113390  D03G003.ISPF.ISPPROF 30   5323390  D03G003.LOG.MISC 1  1001 3390  D03G003.MPTF7382.TEXT 8  100   13390  D03G003.MVSXA.JCL  45  221  13390  D03G003.RMFOS210.ISPTABLE3  100  13390  D03G003.SAMPLE1.ASM
  1  100  13390  D03G003.SMS.TRANSLAT.OUTPUT   1  100  13390  D03G003.SOURCE.JCL   45  248   23390  D03G003.TEMP.TEMP   322  230  13390  D03G003.TEST 3061 3390  D03G003.TEST.LOAD5  100  13390 Command ===>  Scroll ===>PAGE  F1=HelpF2=Split   F3=ExitF5=Rfind   F7=Up  F8=DownF9=Swap F10=Left   F11=Right  F12=CancelAs you notice  under the column (%Used)  some numbers are  more than 100which is wrong. Any help will be appretiated,thanks.Regards;Nafez Al-BesheetiSys. Prog.KSUTel : 014675707Mobile : 0504433206Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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ISPF problem

[nafez]

Hello;

I have a problem with our Z/OS 1.7 when I list the datasets (option 3.4 in 
ISPF 5.7 ) which is giving wrong values for the number of tracks used, and 
here is the screen image as follows :


   Menu  Options  View  Utilities  Compilers  Help  
 ss 
 P10 ISRUDSL0 Sets Matching D03G003   Row 12 of 26  

 Command - Enter "/" to select action  Tracks %Used XT  Device  
 ---
  D03G003.HCD.MSGLOG1?   1  3390
  D03G003.HCD.TERM 11   1  3390 
   
  D03G003.HCD.TRACE   11   1  3390  
  
  D03G003.ISPF.ISPPROF 30   53   2  3390
  D03G003.LOG.MISC 1  100   1  3390 
   
  D03G003.MPTF7382.TEXT 8  100   1  3390
  D03G003.MVSXA.JCL  45  221   1  3390  
  
  D03G003.RMFOS210.ISPTABLE3  100   1  3390
  D03G003.SAMPLE1.ASM  1  100   1  3390
  D03G003.SMS.TRANSLAT.OUTPUT   1  100   1  3390
  D03G003.SOURCE.JCL   45  248   2  3390
  D03G003.TEMP.TEMP   322  230   1  3390
  D03G003.TEST 306   1  
3390
  D03G003.TEST.LOAD5  100   1  3390 
   
 Command ===>  Scroll ===> PAGE 
  F1=HelpF2=Split   F3=ExitF5=Rfind   F7=Up  F8=DownF9=Swap 
 F10=Left   F11=Right  F12=Cancel   


As you notice  under the column (%Used)  some numbers are  more than 100 which 
is wrong. Any help? thanks.

Regards; 
 
Nafez Al-Besheeti 
Sys. Prog. 
KSU 
Tel : 014675707 
Mobile : 0504433206 
Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Hisham Nassef 
  To: nafez 
  Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 3:58 PM
  Subject: Re: ISPF problem



  Hello Nafez, 

  Sorry , I made some searches and did not find any similar hints . I am 
opening a record and sending to IBM . 

  Can you please send a screen shot of the panel . We might request more 
documents. 

  thank you 

  Kind Regards 

  Hisham Nassef
  SW Team Leader, zSeries - ITS
  Tel: +(966) 1 462 2444  x1314
  Mob : +(966) 50 6432386
  Fax   : +(966) 1 465 3111
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  SBM:"General Marketing & Services Representative for IBM WTC"  




"nafez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
04/02/2007 02:24 PM 
   To "Hisham Nassef" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
  cc  
  Subject ISPF problem 

  

   



  Dear Hisham; 

  You did not reply to me regarding ISPF problem, the PANEL ID wich has the 
error (displaying %USED more than 100)  is ISRUDSL0 DSLIST and ISRUAIES DSLIST. 

  Regards; 
   
  Nafez Al-Besheeti 
  Sys. Prog. 
  KSU 
  Tel : 014675707 
  Mobile : 0504433206 
  Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

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Re: Effects of Linux on z...ISV support and z/OS (Was: IBM to the PCM market)

[Rich Smrcina]

Admittedly those prices are still higher than some folks want to see. I
personally know of an existing customer and long time mainframe shop
that turned down a considerably discounted (by 70%) z9 for an
outsourcing scenario.  It is not to say that there may have been other
factors that came to play there, but I expect that if the pricing had
been 'sweeter' they would still be a System z shop (and a MUCH larger
one at that).

One fact that you have in error, for some time now the price of z/VM is
more in the 22.5K range.  The more engines you buy for the lower the price
per engine gets.

Gibney, Dave wrote:

   It's still a hard sell at 100K per IFL plus 40K z/VM and no real
promises that the workload matches until you try it. You can buy fail a
lot of squatty boxes with that kind of money and you don't need it all
in one chunk.



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Re: ISPF problem

[O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]]

Nafez,
 
I would suggest reporting this to your friendly SBM PSR. It looks like a system 
defect.
 
By the way, Is Daud Matthews still at KSU?
 
Regards,
Dave O'Brien




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Recalling GDG generations

[Rashmi Nijaguni Mogali]

Hi all,



Is there a way to recall the generations of a GDG which have been
archived on the tape?

I am talking of a batch method here. I need to recall all the archived
generations at one go.



Regards,

Rashmi







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Re: Recalling GDG generations

[Lizette Koehler]

If your archive method is HSM then (AFAIR)  I believe you need to recall
them one at a time.  However, the RECALLs can be done in batch, so you could
create a job to issue the HRECALL or HRECOV command altogether through a
batch TSO job.

If you are using a different archive method, could you say what that is?


Lizette
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Re: Recalling GDG generations

[O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]]

Lizette,
 
Wouldn't an Iefbr14 against the base GDG result in all of the gdg's being 
recalled?
 
Dave O'Brien



From: Lizette Koehler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon 4/9/2007 8:13 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Recalling GDG generations



If your archive method is HSM then (AFAIR)  I believe you need to recall
them one at a time.  However, the RECALLs can be done in batch, so you could
create a job to issue the HRECALL or HRECOV command altogether through a
batch TSO job.

If you are using a different archive method, could you say what that is?


Lizette
--
 --
 --Is there a way to recall the generations of a GDG which have been
 --archived on the tape?
 --
 --I am talking of a batch method here. I need to recall all the archived
 --generations at one go.
 --
 --
 --
 --
 --Regards,
 --
 --Rashmi
 --
 --
 --

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Re: Recalling GDG generations

[Lizette Koehler]

If he uses something other than HSM, we would need to know that process.

However, the program solution works well.  However, each recall only happens
when that data set is accessed.  With the TSO Batch recall, you can specify
nowait and just let it queue them all up at once.  Plus you know what GDGs
are being recalled.  

Lizette

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 --Wouldn't an Iefbr14 against the base GDG result in all of the gdg's being
recalled?
 --
--
 --
 --If your archive method is HSM then (AFAIR)  I believe you need to recall
 --them one at a time.  However, the RECALLs can be done in batch, so you
could
 --create a job to issue the HRECALL or HRECOV command altogether through a
 --batch TSO job.
 --
 --If you are using a different archive method, could you say what that is?
 --
 --
 --Lizette
 
 -- --
 -- --Is there a way to recall the generations of a GDG which have been
 -- --archived on the tape?
 -- --
 -- --I am talking of a batch method here. I need to recall all the archived
 -- --generations at one go.
 -- --
 -- --
 -- --
 -- --
 -- --Regards,
 -- --
 -- --Rashmi
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Re: Recalling GDG generations

[J R]

That's the way I would expect it to work ...



From: "O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 08:17:18 -0400

Lizette,

Wouldn't an Iefbr14 against the base GDG result in all of the gdg's being 
recalled?


Dave O'Brien




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Re: Effects of Linux on z...ISV support and z/OS (Was: IBM to the PCM market)

[Eric Bielefeld]

You make a good point quoted below, however I know in the past IBM has givin 
companies IFLs for free for a period of time.  A company in Milwaukee got 
several IFL engines (7 if I remember) for a period of around a year or so maybe 
2 years ago.  They got everything working, but politics prevented implementing 
Linux in production.  I think they converted over 100 servers.

Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer
414-475-7434
Milwaukee, Wisconsin


 "Gibney wrote: 
>It's still a hard sell at 100K per IFL plus 40K z/VM and no real
> promises that the workload matches until you try it. You can buy fail a
> lot of squatty boxes with that kind of money and you don't need it all
> in one chunk.

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Re: ISPF problem

[Eric Bielefeld]

IBM PSR?  How many years has it been since IBM had PSRs?  You might want to 
call the support center.

Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer
414-475-7434
Milwaukee, Wisconsin


 "O'Brien wrote: 
> Nafez,
>  
> I would suggest reporting this to your friendly SBM PSR. It looks like a 
> system defect.
>  
> By the way, Is Daud Matthews still at KSU?
>  
> Regards,
> Dave O'Brien

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Re: Recalling GDG generations

[Bill Wilkie]

To call in all generations of a gdg you should be able to code DSN and disp 
with nothing in parens. That should call in all of them .


Bill


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Subject: Recalling GDG generations
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:40:38 +0530

Hi all,



Is there a way to recall the generations of a GDG which have been
archived on the tape?

I am talking of a batch method here. I need to recall all the archived
generations at one go.



Regards,

Rashmi







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Re: Recalling GDG generations

[wtrovijo]

Just make a ICETOOL or ICEMAN job to copy 1 record from the input to a dummy 
output
and make input dataset DD point to GDG name. 

HTH,
Walter.

> 
> 
> Is there a way to recall the generations of a GDG which have been
> archived on the tape?
> 
> I am talking of a batch method here. I need to recall all the archived
> generations at one go.
> 
> 

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Re: ISPF problem

[O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]]

Eric,
 
I'm not sure you can get support center support from Saudi Arabia. At least you 
couldn't when I left in 95.



From: Eric Bielefeld [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon 4/9/2007 8:51 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: ISPF problem



IBM PSR?  How many years has it been since IBM had PSRs?  You might want to 
call the support center.

Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer
414-475-7434
Milwaukee, Wisconsin


 "O'Brien wrote:
> Nafez,
> 
> I would suggest reporting this to your friendly SBM PSR. It looks like a 
> system defect.
> 
> By the way, Is Daud Matthews still at KSU?
> 
> Regards,
> Dave O'Brien

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Re: Recalling GDG generations

[Stocker, Herman]

Check the CBT for program RECALL file 183, as well as, other files that have
recall programs.
www.cbttape.org 


Regards,  Herman Stocker
avis budget group
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Hi all,




Is there a way to recall the generations of a GDG which have been archived
on the tape?

I am talking of a batch method here. I need to recall all the archived
generations at one go.




Regards,

Rashmi









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Re: Effects of Linux on z...ISV support and z/OS (Was: IBM to the PCM market)

[McKown, John]

> -Original Message-
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> 
>It's still a hard sell at 100K per IFL plus 40K z/VM and no real
> promises that the workload matches until you try it. You can 
> buy fail a
> lot of squatty boxes with that kind of money and you don't need it all
> in one chunk.

That's a good point. And one that we on the zSeries always have. The
"squatty box" box always point out how much less one of their boxes
cost. But once the project is going, it is amazing how many boxes they
end up needing (like 1 per function) and they are always larger than
originally estimated. We have finally "wised up" around here and see
that the TCO over time tends to favor the zSeries. But it was a hard
sell due to the myoptic eyesight of many managers. I.e. "I don't care
about next year, what about this year?"

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Re: Recalling GDG generations

[McKown, John]

> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rashmi Nijaguni Mogali
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> Subject: Recalling GDG generations
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Is there a way to recall the generations of a GDG which have been
> archived on the tape?
> 
> I am talking of a batch method here. I need to recall all the archived
> generations at one go.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Rashmi

I think that you could just use and IEFBR14 job with GDG-all processing.

//STEP1 EXEC PGM=IEFBR14
//DD1 DD DISP=SHR,DSN=the.gdg.name

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Re: Where would an EDIT MACRO get set?

[Mark Zelden]

On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 17:24:34 -0400, Thompson, Steve
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>
>I tried that one too. And I do not get the panel to come up to specify
>an initial macro.
>

You have to edit a flat file (sequential, dsorg=ps).

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Re: Effects of Linux on z...ISV support and z/OS (Was: IBM to the PCM market)

[Steve Comstock]

Timothy Sipples wrote:

Steve Comstock wrote:


Linux, Linux, and more Linux.
So I guess the message is "Kiss z/OS goodbye", eh?



"My goodness, is IBM really saying that?"  Please go back, look at the
context in which I provided that Linux-related URL, and please read between
the lines.  Anyone figured it out yet?  I've said enough. :-)


Well, not really. I've had quite enough of coyness, thank you.
I'm a techie, not a salesman (well, I have been known to flog
my courses from time to time; but I'm always clear spoken). I
don't want to read between the lines. I want you to come out
and tell me what's going on here.



However, since you bring it up, let's pause for half a second and think
about the effects Linux on System z has on z/OS.  I leave it as an exercise
to the reader to figure out why and how, but I contend (and observe) that
Linux is one of the best things for z/OS.  And for z/VSE, z/TPF, and z/VM.
*Especially* for small mainframe shops.  So, should IBM-MAINers be hostile
to Linux on zor the opposite?


It's not hostility to Linux. It's lack of clarity of direction
for z/OS.

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Re: ISPF problem

[Richards.Bob]

To clear up Eric's correction, in Saudi Arabia, IBM is legally known as
SBM (Saudi Business Machines). Something to do with 51% of ownership has
to be by a Saudi national.

PSRs are gone, but when I left in '98, there were still a few SEs around
that basically provided the same service.

I remember many, many days when I worked until 9pm at night facilitating
meetings with San Jose and Tucson at 8-9am their time. I "was" the
support center for my customer! 

Bob Richards 
(ex-SBM employee)

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I'm not sure you can get support center support from Saudi Arabia. At
least you couldn't when I left in 95.



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Re: Recalling GDG generations

[Ted MacNEIL]

>Is there a way to recall the generations of a GDG which have been archived on 
>the tape?

// -- Job Card
//RECALL EXEC PGM=IEFBR14
//DD1 DDDISP=SHR,DSNAME=gdg.base

Where: gdg.base is the base without any .GV00 qualifiers.

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Re: RACF and Member Level Protection

[Steven Conway]

Shmuel,
 
The first question is what they mean by "supports member level
security in a PDS or PDSE." Are they talking about checking access
only on OPEN, or also on FIND and STOW? It would be trivial to
circumvent controls on FIND for PDS.

I don't know the particulars of what, precisely, Top Secret checks.  Top 
Secret allows a security admin to restrict access to certain members 
within a PDS, while allowing access to others.  When it checks, how it 
checks, what it does when checks fail or succeed, is not my concern at 
this time. 

Correct; if you want to submit a requirement for that facility, spell
out in detail what you want protected.

I didn't say I wanted RACF to do anything.  As stated in my original post, 
I wanted to know if it offered the member level protection functionality.


Cheers,,,Steve

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Re: Recalling GDG generations

[Paul Gilmartin]

In a recent note, Ted MacNEIL said:

> Subject:  Re: Recalling GDG generations
> // -- Job Card
> //RECALL EXEC PGM=IEFBR14
> //DD1 DDDISP=SHR,DSNAME=gdg.base
> 
> Where: gdg.base is the base without any .GV00 qualifiers.
> 
Will this perform the recalls sequentially or concurrently?

It's frustrating when I submit a job that allocates several
data sets that have migrated, and they appear to recall
sequentially.  Sometimes when this is happening, I examine
the JCL with SDSF, ALLOCATE each data set with TSO, and
cancel the wait.  Is there a simpler way?  Does HSM itself
single-thread, rendering my effort pointless?

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Re: IBM to the PCM market(the sky is falling!!!the sky is falling!!)

[Ray Mullins]

Alan, I'm glad you spoke up.  Your note is well-written, and speaks volumes.
And it was a good idea to keep Chuckie away from the keyboard.  :-)

As Timothy and Marcia are both marketing folks, you're right, Alan, they
would not be able to speak for IBM regarding ISVs.  But I think things would
have been smoother if they had at least said something to that effect. 

I'm very happy to see the z/Linux progress on z/Architecture.  But I still
have concerns regarding the future of the small platform.

I have to agree with Steve on the "test drive" link provided by Timothy.  It
is Linux-geared.  At the moment, my software idea #2 isn't geared towards
z/Linux - it makes no sense, actually, as right now it's bound to EBCDIC
operating systems (which is why BS2000/OSD is a possible platform).  Since
Linux is (generic term, folks) ASCII based, translation issues rear their
ugly head, and as binary data could be involved, I don't want to get into
that right now.  (Oh, and when I went to look at the fee documents at the
bottom, I get errors from Adobe Acrobat Reader.  I've sent an e-mail.)

Reading between Timothy's lines  :-)  , I guess he is talking about the
Dallas offerings, which we've already noted are more expensive than the
current FLEX-ES arrangements, and require more effort and external
management than lugging around a laptop.

I hope that the thoughts based on prior IBM announcement cycles bear fruit.
If IBM is still silent on the future of small ISVs come SHARE San Diego,
then the small ISV contingent will have to speak loudly.

And I want to thank those of you who have e-mailed me off-list with your
support and thanks.  It really made my week!

Take care y'all,
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Re: RACF and Member Level Protection

[Paul Gilmartin]

In a recent note, Walt Farrell said:

> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:12:02 -0500
> 
> >Just move the members to another (protected) library.
> 
> That can work in some very restrictive cases, Ted, but not all cases.
> 
Since BPAM now supports read access to HFS directories (barring
those utilities that balk at this), might an alternative be to
use HFS rather than PDS, and protect the members with ACLs?  If
so, it's a solved problem.

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Idiot needs help - Subsystem initialization failed

[McKown, John]

I think that I'm out of luck on this, but I'll ask anyway. I wanted to
install the Oracle subsystem this last weekend. I thought that I had
already copied the subsystem modules into the LNKLST, but did not. So I
got the following message at IPL time:

IEFJ004I SUBSYSTEM ORST NOT INITIALIZED - ORASSINI NOT FOUND

I am 99.9% sure this means that the ORST subsystem exists, but is
unusable and will remain so until I IPL again. Luckily, we have an IPL
planned for this Sunday due to replacing our 2086-A02 with a
2096-S07/T02.  Too much to do and too small a brain to do it in.

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Re: Effects of Linux on z...ISV support and z/OS (Was: IBM to the PCM market)

[Chase, John]

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Gibney, Dave
> 
>It's still a hard sell at 100K per IFL plus 40K z/VM and 
> no real promises that the workload matches until you try it. 
> You can buy fail a lot of squatty boxes with that kind of 
> money and you don't need it all in one chunk.

Well, let's see:

"Ass.u.me" for ease of arithmetic that "squatty boxes" with one CPU can
be had for $5,000 (hardware and server operating system) each.  Add in
an Oracle "processor license" at $40,000
(http://www.oracle.com/corporate/pricing/technology-price-list.pdf), and
you're already up to $45,000 each.

Now consider one IFL for $95,000 (z9-BC), z/VM at $22,500 plus one year
S&S at $5,600 (rounded), SLES 10 one-year premium subscription at
$18,000 and one Oracle "processor license" at $40,000, for a total of
approx. $181,000.

So far, it looks like the "z" solution costs about 4x the "squatty box"
solution, FOR ONE SERVER INSTANCE.

Now, "ass.u.me" you have 10 (again, ease of arithmetic) "squatty box"
applications, each requiring its own server and Oracle instance.  Now
you're up to $450,000.

But the "z" solution can run all 10 applications on the same (one) IFL,
for a cost of ... $181,000.

So, how much "cheaper" is the "squatty box" solution?

Oh, yeah, you "need" separate test/development instances for each
application.  Get ten more "squatty boxes" for another $450,000.  Now
we're up to $900,000.  Meanwhile, on the "z" solution, you want
test/development instances, you just "start 'em up".  No additional
cost; we're still at $181,100 total.  And when you're done with the
test/development instances on the "z", you just shut them down and
return those processor cycles to "productive" work.  When you shut down
the test/development "squatty boxes", your "productive" capacity doesn't
change.

Same for QA instances.

Now, how much "cheaper" is the "squatty box" solution again?

"Yeah, but you omitted the initial cost of the z9 and its associated
hardware."

"True, but we already had the z9, to run z/OS."

-jc-

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Re: Effects of Linux on z...ISV support and z/OS (Was: IBM to the PCM market)

[Gibney, Dave]

   That's good to know (the 22.5K). The other issue for my site is the
"ease" of finding Windows people vs. even Unix people, let alone z/OS.

   Windows apps (.NET) don't convert quickly to z/Linux

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rich Smrcina
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 4:32 AM
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the PCM market)

Admittedly those prices are still higher than some folks want to see. I
personally know of an existing customer and long time mainframe shop
that turned down a considerably discounted (by 70%) z9 for an
outsourcing scenario.  It is not to say that there may have been other
factors that came to play there, but I expect that if the pricing had
been 'sweeter' they would still be a System z shop (and a MUCH larger
one at that).

One fact that you have in error, for some time now the price of z/VM is
more in the 22.5K range.  The more engines you buy for the lower the
price
per engine gets.

Gibney, Dave wrote:
>It's still a hard sell at 100K per IFL plus 40K z/VM and no real
> promises that the workload matches until you try it. You can buy fail
a
> lot of squatty boxes with that kind of money and you don't need it all
> in one chunk.
> 
> 
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Re: Effects of Linux on z...ISV support and z/OS (Was: IBM to the PCM market)

[Rich Smrcina]

Do you know about or have you considered Mono (gomono.net)?

Gibney, Dave wrote:

   That's good to know (the 22.5K). The other issue for my site is the
"ease" of finding Windows people vs. even Unix people, let alone z/OS.

   Windows apps (.NET) don't convert quickly to z/Linux

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rich Smrcina
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 4:32 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Effects of Linux on z...ISV support and z/OS (Was: IBM to
the PCM market)

Admittedly those prices are still higher than some folks want to see. I
personally know of an existing customer and long time mainframe shop
that turned down a considerably discounted (by 70%) z9 for an
outsourcing scenario.  It is not to say that there may have been other
factors that came to play there, but I expect that if the pricing had
been 'sweeter' they would still be a System z shop (and a MUCH larger
one at that).

One fact that you have in error, for some time now the price of z/VM is
more in the 22.5K range.  The more engines you buy for the lower the
price
per engine gets.

Gibney, Dave wrote:

   It's still a hard sell at 100K per IFL plus 40K z/VM and no real
promises that the workload matches until you try it. You can buy fail

a

lot of squatty boxes with that kind of money and you don't need it all
in one chunk.




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Re: Control-O replacement

[Mark H. Young]

On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:22:25 -0700, Bill Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

>List,
>We are looking at replacing Control-O. (BMC) We don't have any other 
Control software. What software packages provide similar functionality to 
Control-O? Which package is the most widely used?
>TIA,
>Bill Johnson
>
>
>

What automation product do you have/use on your system, if any?

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Re: Recalling GDG generations

[O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]]

No, HSM does not 'single thread' unless the maxrecall is set to 1. In the case 
of recall  by jcl, the process is single threaded because the datasets are 
recalled in the order in which they are allocated.
 
Optimally you would issue Hrecall commands against the set of datasets you 
wanted to recall  HSM would then recall as many concurrently as possible. At 
the very least multiple tape mounts would be avoided if the desired datasets 
happened to be on the same ML2 tape. 



From: Paul Gilmartin [Sent: Mon 4/9/2007 10:17 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Recalling GDG generations



In a recent note, Ted MacNEIL said:

> Subject:  Re: Recalling GDG generations
> // -- Job Card
> //RECALL EXEC PGM=IEFBR14
> //DD1 DDDISP=SHR,DSNAME=gdg.base
>
> Where: gdg.base is the base without any .GV00 qualifiers.
>
Will this perform the recalls sequentially or concurrently?

It's frustrating when I submit a job that allocates several
data sets that have migrated, and they appear to recall
sequentially.  Sometimes when this is happening, I examine
the JCL with SDSF, ALLOCATE each data set with TSO, and
cancel the wait.  Is there a simpler way?  Does HSM itself
single-thread, rendering my effort pointless?

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Re: Effects of Linux on z...ISV support and z/OS (Was: IBM to the PCM market)

[Gibney, Dave]

   Thanks, but I'm already a member of the choir.:) I've been trying to
convince my management of exactly that for sometime. 
   They want proof that Oracle really performs on z/hardware and it's
been awhile since we did VM :)

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Chase, John
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 7:39 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Effects of Linux on z...ISV support and z/OS (Was: IBM to
the PCM market)

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Gibney, Dave
> 
>It's still a hard sell at 100K per IFL plus 40K z/VM and 
> no real promises that the workload matches until you try it. 
> You can buy fail a lot of squatty boxes with that kind of 
> money and you don't need it all in one chunk.

Well, let's see:

"Ass.u.me" for ease of arithmetic that "squatty boxes" with one CPU can
be had for $5,000 (hardware and server operating system) each.  Add in
an Oracle "processor license" at $40,000
(http://www.oracle.com/corporate/pricing/technology-price-list.pdf), and
you're already up to $45,000 each.

Now consider one IFL for $95,000 (z9-BC), z/VM at $22,500 plus one year
S&S at $5,600 (rounded), SLES 10 one-year premium subscription at
$18,000 and one Oracle "processor license" at $40,000, for a total of
approx. $181,000.

So far, it looks like the "z" solution costs about 4x the "squatty box"
solution, FOR ONE SERVER INSTANCE.

Now, "ass.u.me" you have 10 (again, ease of arithmetic) "squatty box"
applications, each requiring its own server and Oracle instance.  Now
you're up to $450,000.

But the "z" solution can run all 10 applications on the same (one) IFL,
for a cost of ... $181,000.

So, how much "cheaper" is the "squatty box" solution?

Oh, yeah, you "need" separate test/development instances for each
application.  Get ten more "squatty boxes" for another $450,000.  Now
we're up to $900,000.  Meanwhile, on the "z" solution, you want
test/development instances, you just "start 'em up".  No additional
cost; we're still at $181,100 total.  And when you're done with the
test/development instances on the "z", you just shut them down and
return those processor cycles to "productive" work.  When you shut down
the test/development "squatty boxes", your "productive" capacity doesn't
change.

Same for QA instances.

Now, how much "cheaper" is the "squatty box" solution again?

"Yeah, but you omitted the initial cost of the z9 and its associated
hardware."

"True, but we already had the z9, to run z/OS."

-jc-

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Re: RACF and Member Level Protection

[Steven Conway]

Trying again, with a bit of formatting this time:

Shmuel,
 
> The first question is what they mean by "supports member level
> security in a PDS or PDSE." Are they talking about checking access
> only on OPEN, or also on FIND and STOW? It would be trivial to
> circumvent controls on FIND for PDS.

I don't know the particulars of what, precisely, Top Secret checks.  Top 
Secret allows a security admin to restrict access to certain members 
within a PDS, while allowing access to others.  When it checks, how it 
checks, what it does when checks fail or succeed, is not my concern at 
this time. 

> Correct; if you want to submit a requirement for that facility, spell
> out in detail what you want protected.

I didn't say I wanted RACF to do anything.  As stated in my original post, 

I wanted to know if it offered the member level protection functionality.


Cheers,,,Steve

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Re: Recalling GDG generations

[Lizette Koehler]

Besides the MAXRECALL there is also the issue of physical number of tape 
drives.  We are limited here to the number of things DFHSM can do because we do 
not have sufficient Tape Drives for everything.  That includes normal TAPE 
processes as well as DFHSM.  So another issue could be physical resources.

Lizette

>
>No, HSM does not 'single thread' unless the maxrecall is set to 1. In the case 
>of recall  by jcl, the process is single threaded because the datasets are 
>recalled in the order in which they are allocated.
> 
>Optimally you would issue Hrecall commands against the set of datasets you 
>wanted to recall  HSM would then recall as many concurrently as possible. At 
>the very least multiple tape mounts would be avoided if the desired datasets 
>happened to be on the same ML2 tape. 
>

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Re: Idiot needs help - Subsystem initialization failed

[Rugen, Len]

That looks like the "old" oracle subsystem, is it still required for
10G? 

Of course, you may still be using the old NET8 interface, I think it's
still available on my production system, but 10G can be used.  On my
test system, I don't have NET8 running, so only 10G clients work.  I
still have the SSI parm entry, but I don't know if it's needed.  

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Re: Recalling GDG generations

[Pommier, Rex R.]

 Actually I just tried this (the IEFBR14 job) because I have seen the
issue that Gil mentioned, where HSM recalls 1 dataset at a time for a
normal batch job.  I just recalled 31 generations out of a 91 generation
GDG. I thought it would single reload the migrated generations but it
didn't.  Using the IEFBR14 job, HSM grouped the datasets by tape, and
reloaded all the generations that were on that tape, then while
rewinding tape 1, went to tape 2 and loaded all the generations on that
tape.  A pleasant surprise.

Now that I learned something, can I go home?  :-)

Rex

BTW, my MAXRECALLTASKS is 5 and my TAPEMAXRECALLTASKS is 2.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 9:45 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Recalling GDG generations

No, HSM does not 'single thread' unless the maxrecall is set to 1. In
the case of recall  by jcl, the process is single threaded because the
datasets are recalled in the order in which they are allocated.
 
Optimally you would issue Hrecall commands against the set of datasets
you wanted to recall  HSM would then recall as many concurrently as
possible. At the very least multiple tape mounts would be avoided if the
desired datasets happened to be on the same ML2 tape. 



From: Paul Gilmartin [Sent: Mon 4/9/2007 10:17 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Recalling GDG generations



In a recent note, Ted MacNEIL said:

> Subject:  Re: Recalling GDG generations
> // -- Job Card
> //RECALL EXEC PGM=IEFBR14
> //DD1 DDDISP=SHR,DSNAME=gdg.base
>
> Where: gdg.base is the base without any .GV00 qualifiers.
>
Will this perform the recalls sequentially or concurrently?

It's frustrating when I submit a job that allocates several data sets
that have migrated, and they appear to recall sequentially.  Sometimes
when this is happening, I examine the JCL with SDSF, ALLOCATE each data
set with TSO, and cancel the wait.  Is there a simpler way?  Does HSM
itself single-thread, rendering my effort pointless?

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Re: Effects of Linux on z...ISV support and z/OS (Was: IBM to the PCM market)

[Rich Smrcina]

Check through this list:
http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/linux/stories.html

I'm not sure if there are any Oracle refs here, if not I'm sure your BP 
or IBM rep will be able to find them.  I know they're out there.


Gibney, Dave wrote:

   Thanks, but I'm already a member of the choir.:) I've been trying to
convince my management of exactly that for sometime. 
   They want proof that Oracle really performs on z/hardware and it's

been awhile since we did VM :)



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Re: Recalling GDG generations

[O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]]

Rex,
 
What release of Zos are you on?



From: Pommier, Rex R. [mailto:]
Sent: Mon 4/9/2007 11:05 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Recalling GDG generations



 Actually I just tried this (the IEFBR14 job) because I have seen the
issue that Gil mentioned, where HSM recalls 1 dataset at a time for a
normal batch job.  I just recalled 31 generations out of a 91 generation
GDG. I thought it would single reload the migrated generations but it
didn't.  Using the IEFBR14 job, HSM grouped the datasets by tape, and
reloaded all the generations that were on that tape, then while
rewinding tape 1, went to tape 2 and loaded all the generations on that
tape.  A pleasant surprise.

Now that I learned something, can I go home?  :-)

Rex

BTW, my MAXRECALLTASKS is 5 and my TAPEMAXRECALLTASKS is 2.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 9:45 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Recalling GDG generations

No, HSM does not 'single thread' unless the maxrecall is set to 1. In
the case of recall  by jcl, the process is single threaded because the
datasets are recalled in the order in which they are allocated.

Optimally you would issue Hrecall commands against the set of datasets
you wanted to recall  HSM would then recall as many concurrently as
possible. At the very least multiple tape mounts would be avoided if the
desired datasets happened to be on the same ML2 tape.




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Re: Recalling GDG generations

[Chase, John]

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex R.
> 
>  Actually I just tried this (the IEFBR14 job) because I have 
> seen the issue that Gil mentioned, where HSM recalls 1 
> dataset at a time for a normal batch job.  I just recalled 31 
> generations out of a 91 generation GDG. I thought it would 
> single reload the migrated generations but it didn't.  Using 
> the IEFBR14 job, HSM grouped the datasets by tape, and 
> reloaded all the generations that were on that tape, then 
> while rewinding tape 1, went to tape 2 and loaded all the 
> generations on that tape.  A pleasant surprise.
> 
> Now that I learned something, can I go home?  :-)

NO!  You gotta stay and teach.  :-)

-jc-

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Re: Idiot needs help - Subsystem initialization failed

[Mark Zelden]

On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:29:17 -0500, McKown, John
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I think that I'm out of luck on this, but I'll ask anyway. I wanted to
>install the Oracle subsystem this last weekend. I thought that I had
>already copied the subsystem modules into the LNKLST, but did not. So I
>got the following message at IPL time:
>
>IEFJ004I SUBSYSTEM ORST NOT INITIALIZED - ORASSINI NOT FOUND
>
>I am 99.9% sure this means that the ORST subsystem exists, but is
>unusable and will remain so until I IPL again. Luckily, we have an IPL
>planned for this Sunday due to replacing our 2086-A02 with a
>2096-S07/T02.  Too much to do and too small a brain to do it in.
>

If the subsystem initialization routine supports dynamic SSI, then you
can add it now without IPL-ing.  However, you would have to use
a different subsystem name - which may or may not be a problem.
You can then correct it and use the name you wish for the next IPL.

Regards,

Mark
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Re: Recalling GDG generations

[Ted MacNEIL]

>> Where: gdg.base is the base without any .GV00 qualifiers.
>Will this perform the recalls sequentially or concurrently?

Sequentially, at each obtain from the catalogue.

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Re: Effects of Linux on z...ISV support and z/OS (Was: IBM to the PCM market)

[Bruno Sugliani]

On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:38:57 -0500, Chase, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Well, let's see:
>
>"Ass.u.me" for ease of arithmetic that "squatty boxes" with one CPU can
>be had for $5,000 (hardware and server operating system) each.  Add in
>an Oracle "processor license" at $40,000
>(http://www.oracle.com/corporate/pricing/technology-price-list.pdf), and
>you're already up to $45,000 each.
<<<>>> 
That is the problem with us mainframe people  , unless we know the other
side prices and performances we only assume .
I happen to run both shops 
I pay around 2000 euros for a dual processor squatty box . not 5000 dollars
i use Vmware on the squatty boxes so i do not need to buy more squatty boxes
for dev  ( to compare VM on an IFL you put VM on a squatty box ).
The nice thing is that when i have 60 squatty boxes , i use the dev and test
ones for backup of my production ( like i do on my sysplex lpars in the
other room ) and i have 20 times more computing power than in one IFL 
A very important thing also is that if you run some heavy applications (
like some consuming WAS ) you will have better performance on an intel
platform than on an IFL  . 
( in fact despite what a lot of us think , power comes with the megahertz ,
and you do not multiply VM's indefinitely without being penalised  )
You need the same amount of manpower to run VMWARE under intel , only the
SAN requires a bit more attention .
A superior thing about VMWARE vs VM is that you also run windows servers as
well as Linux servers .  
Like it has been said more than once here , the value of an IFL depends ..
it varies 
Today i  have 240 physical squatty boxes  with 80 vm's  and i am under the
process of testing IFL's with VM ( linux only of course but i do not really
know what to use it for , except that if i fail , i'll be able to change it
to a ZAAP or a ZIIP in the next few months ! ( i have them for trial  ) 
Oh and by the way :
What does "squatty" really means ( if it means small size , it is
interesting , because a T42 rack is higher than a Z9 !) 
Bruno
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Re: Idiot needs help - Subsystem initialization failed

[McKown, John]

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Zelden
> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 10:12 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Idiot needs help - Subsystem initialization failed
> 
> 
> On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:29:17 -0500, McKown, John
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >I think that I'm out of luck on this, but I'll ask anyway. I 
> wanted to
> >install the Oracle subsystem this last weekend. I thought that I had
> >already copied the subsystem modules into the LNKLST, but 
> did not. So I
> >got the following message at IPL time:
> >
> >IEFJ004I SUBSYSTEM ORST NOT INITIALIZED - ORASSINI NOT FOUND
> >
> >I am 99.9% sure this means that the ORST subsystem exists, but is
> >unusable and will remain so until I IPL again. Luckily, we 
> have an IPL
> >planned for this Sunday due to replacing our 2086-A02 with a
> >2096-S07/T02.  Too much to do and too small a brain to 
> do it in.
> >
> 
> If the subsystem initialization routine supports dynamic SSI, then you
> can add it now without IPL-ing.  However, you would have to use
> a different subsystem name - which may or may not be a problem.
> You can then correct it and use the name you wish for the next IPL.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mark

Unless overriden by management, I'm just going to do nothing. This week
is basically dedicated to prep work for installing our new z9BC on
Sunday. And that will require an IPL, so I'll just pick it up then.
After all, we've sat on Oracle for over 6 months, so waiting another
week should not be a killer.

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Re: Recalling GDG generations

[Pommier, Rex R.]

1.4.   

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 10:11 AM
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Rex,
 
What release of Zos are you on?



From: Pommier, Rex R. [mailto:]
Sent: Mon 4/9/2007 11:05 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Recalling GDG generations



 Actually I just tried this (the IEFBR14 job) because I have seen the
issue that Gil mentioned, where HSM recalls 1 dataset at a time for a
normal batch job.  I just recalled 31 generations out of a 91 generation
GDG. I thought it would single reload the migrated generations but it
didn't.  Using the IEFBR14 job, HSM grouped the datasets by tape, and
reloaded all the generations that were on that tape, then while
rewinding tape 1, went to tape 2 and loaded all the generations on that
tape.  A pleasant surprise.

Now that I learned something, can I go home?  :-)

Rex

BTW, my MAXRECALLTASKS is 5 and my TAPEMAXRECALLTASKS is 2.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 9:45 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Recalling GDG generations

No, HSM does not 'single thread' unless the maxrecall is set to 1. In
the case of recall  by jcl, the process is single threaded because the
datasets are recalled in the order in which they are allocated.

Optimally you would issue Hrecall commands against the set of datasets
you wanted to recall  HSM would then recall as many concurrently as
possible. At the very least multiple tape mounts would be avoided if the
desired datasets happened to be on the same ML2 tape.

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Re: Idiot needs help - Subsystem initialization failed

[Mark H. Young]

On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 10:11:40 -0500, Mark Zelden 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>IEFJ004I SUBSYSTEM ORST NOT INITIALIZED - ORASSINI NOT FOUND
>>

>If the subsystem initialization routine supports dynamic SSI, then you
>can add it now without IPL-ing.  However, you would have to use
>a different subsystem name - which may or may not be a problem.
>You can then correct it and use the name you wish for the next IPL.
>

Mark,
How would you refresh things for this to work?

When you say 'subsystem initialization routine supports dynamic SSI', are you 
talking about the ORASSINI module itself?

What about finding the control block and where it exists in storage, and then 
use OMEGAMON or TMON, etal. to ZAP memory?


THANX,
Mark Young

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Re: Effects of Linux on z...ISV support and z/OS (Was: IBM to the PCM market)

[Chase, John]

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bruno Sugliani
> 
> On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:38:57 -0500, Chase, John wrote:
> 
> >Well, let's see:
> >
> >"Ass.u.me" for ease of arithmetic that "squatty boxes" with one CPU
can 
> >be had for $5,000 (hardware and server operating system) each.  Add
in 
> >an Oracle "processor license" at $40,000 
> >(http://www.oracle.com/corporate/pricing/technology-price-list.pdf), 
> >and you're already up to $45,000 each.
> <<<>>>
> That is the problem with us mainframe people  , unless we 
> know the other side prices and performances we only assume .
> I happen to run both shops
> I pay around 2000 euros for a dual processor squatty box . 
> not 5000 dollars i use Vmware on the squatty boxes so i do 
> not need to buy more squatty boxes for dev  ( to compare VM 
> on an IFL you put VM on a squatty box ).

Don't forget the "per processor" software licenses (e.g., Oracle at
US$40,000/processor * 2 processors on your dual-processor box =
US$80,000)..

> The nice thing is that when i have 60 squatty boxes , i use 
> the dev and test ones for backup of my production ( like i do 
> on my sysplex lpars in the other room ) and i have 20 times 
> more computing power than in one IFL A very important thing 
> also is that if you run some heavy applications ( like some 
> consuming WAS ) you will have better performance on an intel 
> platform than on an IFL  . 
> ( in fact despite what a lot of us think , power comes with 
> the megahertz , and you do not multiply VM's indefinitely 
> without being penalised  ) You need the same amount of 
> manpower to run VMWARE under intel , only the SAN requires a 
> bit more attention .
> A superior thing about VMWARE vs VM is that you also run 
> windows servers as well as Linux servers . 

I know of no technical reason why Windows could not be coded to run on a
"z" box.  There may be some lingering "bad blood" from the IBM - MS
"divorce" over Windows vs. OS/2 causing MS to eschew the "z"
platform
 
> Like it has been said more than once here , the value of an 
> IFL depends ..
> it varies 
> Today i  have 240 physical squatty boxes  with 80 vm's

At what cost for software licenses?

How many of those "squatty boxes" run at 100% utilization, and for how
long?

Remember that the "z" boxes are designed "from the ground up" to run at
100% utilization all of the time.

>  and i 
> am under the process of testing IFL's with VM ( linux only of 
> course but i do not really know what to use it for , except 
> that if i fail , i'll be able to change it to a ZAAP or a 
> ZIIP in the next few months ! ( i have them for trial  ) Oh 
> and by the way :
> What does "squatty" really means

As used in most discussions on this forum, it means any non-mainframe
(particularly, any non-zBox) computer.

-jc-

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Re: Recalling GDG generations

[O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]]

That's interesting because on my 1.4 system, HSM recalls invoked by Iefbr14 are 
done sequentially as each dataset is allocated by Jes. I have not tried nor 
observed how a base gdg is handled. 



From: Pommier, Rex R. [mailto]
Sent: Mon 4/9/2007 12:00 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Recalling GDG generations



1.4.  

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 10:11 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Recalling GDG generations

Rex,

What release of Zos are you on?



From: Pommier, Rex R. [mailto:]
Sent: Mon 4/9/2007 11:05 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Recalling GDG generations



 Actually I just tried this (the IEFBR14 job) because I have seen the
issue that Gil mentioned, where HSM recalls 1 dataset at a time for a
normal batch job.  I just recalled 31 generations out of a 91 generation
GDG. I thought it would single reload the migrated generations but it
didn't.  Using the IEFBR14 job, HSM grouped the datasets by tape, and
reloaded all the generations that were on that tape, then while
rewinding tape 1, went to tape 2 and loaded all the generations on that
tape.  A pleasant surprise.

Now that I learned something, can I go home?  :-)

Rex

BTW, my MAXRECALLTASKS is 5 and my TAPEMAXRECALLTASKS is 2.




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DFSMSDSS

[John P Donnelly]

   Moving V1R4 to V1R7 and getting the following on V1R7:

 

   )) OUTDDNAME(TAPE) SPHERE COMPRESS SHARE TOLERATE(ENQFAILURE)
0031

ADR101I (R/I)-RI01 (01), TASKID 001 HAS BEEN ASSIGNED TO COMMAND 'DUMP '


ADR109I (R/I)-RI01 (01), 2007.099 07:55:48 INITIAL SCAN OF USER CONTROL
STATEMEN

ADR016I (001)-PRIME(01), RACF LOGGING OPTION IN EFFECT FOR THIS TASK


ADR006I (001)-STEND(01), 2007.099 07:55:48 EXECUTION BEGINS 


ADR374E (001)-OPNCL(09), UNABLE TO OPEN DDNAME TAPE, 10 


ADR415W (001)-DTDSC(04), NO DATA SETS WERE COPIED, DUMPED, OR RESTORED
FROM ANY 

ADR006I (001)-STEND(02), 2007.099 07:55:55 EXECUTION ENDS   


ADR013I (001)-CLTSK(01), 2007.099 07:55:55 TASK COMPLETED WITH RETURN
CODE 0008 

ADR012I (SCH)-DSSU (01), 2007.099 07:55:55 DFSMSDSS PROCESSING COMPLETE.
HIGHEST

 TASK001 

 

   Error message does not really help…is fine on V1R4…

 

   What are we missing?

 

   Thankyou

 

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Re: string replace mainframe macro or rexx/clist

[Dave Salt]

From: " " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Any one here can help me with a mainframe macro or rexx/clist  code to
replace string1 with string2 and string3 with string4 and so on in one 
execution

of the code itself.


Ranjay,

Here's an example of a very simple edit macro that does what you asked:

/* REXX */
address isredit
"MACRO"
"CHANGE 'CAT' 'DOG' ALL"
"CHANGE 'BIRD' 'FISH' ALL"
EXIT 1

If the above macro is in a member called CHNG that's in a data set that's 
allocated to your SYSPROC or SYSEXEC ddname, you can edit a file you want to 
apply the changes to and enter CHNG on the command line.


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Re: DFSMSDSS

[Jack Kelly]

   Moving V1R4 to V1R7 and getting the following on V1R7:



what's the jcl and joblog?
r/c 10 is 
10 Invalid parameters passed in JCL. The following are the probable 
reasons:
SYSIN/SYSOUT data set 
DISP=MOD coded for the output data set 
DISP=SHR coded for the output data set 
BLKSIZE less than 7892 bytes 
DSORG other than PS 
BUFNO specified. 

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Re: DFSMSDSS

[Mark Jacobs]

On Monday 09 April 2007 12:26, John P Donnelly wrote:
>Moving V1R4 to V1R7 and getting the following on V1R7:
>
>

Return code 10 from the ADR374 Message says;


 10   Invalid parameters passed in JCL. The following are the probable  
  reasons:  

   t   SYSIN/SYSOUT data set 
   t   DISP=MOD coded for the output data set
   t   DISP=SHR coded for the output data set
   t   BLKSIZE less than 7892 bytes  
   t   DSORG other than PS   
   t   BUFNO specified.  

Do one of these apply?


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Re: Recalling GDG generations

[Pommier, Rex R.]

I'm guessing that somehow the GDG base is the differentiator as I've
seen the same sequential behavior as you in allocating multiple,
disparate datasets. 

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
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That's interesting because on my 1.4 system, HSM recalls invoked by
Iefbr14 are done sequentially as each dataset is allocated by Jes. I
have not tried nor observed how a base gdg is handled. 



From: Pommier, Rex R. [mailto]
Sent: Mon 4/9/2007 12:00 PM
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1.4.  

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Rex,

What release of Zos are you on?



From: Pommier, Rex R. [mailto:]
Sent: Mon 4/9/2007 11:05 AM
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Subject: Re: Recalling GDG generations



 Actually I just tried this (the IEFBR14 job) because I have seen the
issue that Gil mentioned, where HSM recalls 1 dataset at a time for a
normal batch job.  I just recalled 31 generations out of a 91 generation
GDG. I thought it would single reload the migrated generations but it
didn't.  Using the IEFBR14 job, HSM grouped the datasets by tape, and
reloaded all the generations that were on that tape, then while
rewinding tape 1, went to tape 2 and loaded all the generations on that
tape.  A pleasant surprise.

Now that I learned something, can I go home?  :-)

Rex

BTW, my MAXRECALLTASKS is 5 and my TAPEMAXRECALLTASKS is 2.

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Re: Idiot needs help - Subsystem initialization failed

[Mark Zelden]

On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:01:17 -0500, Mark H. Young
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 10:11:40 -0500, Mark Zelden
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>>IEFJ004I SUBSYSTEM ORST NOT INITIALIZED - ORASSINI NOT FOUND
>>>
>
>>If the subsystem initialization routine supports dynamic SSI, then you
>>can add it now without IPL-ing.  However, you would have to use
>>a different subsystem name - which may or may not be a problem.
>>You can then correct it and use the name you wish for the next IPL.
>>
>
>Mark,
>How would you refresh things for this to work?
>

It isn't a "refresh", it would be adding a new (different) subsystem than
the one that didn't initialize properly at IPL time because the initialization
routine could not be found. 

It would be done using an operator command: SETSSI

SETSSI ADD,S=ORS2,I=initrtn,P=initprm

>When you say 'subsystem initialization routine supports dynamic SSI', are you
>talking about the ORASSINI module itself?
>

Yes

>What about finding the control block and where it exists in storage, and then
>use OMEGAMON or TMON, etal. to ZAP memory?
>

ZAP what?  The subsytem exists, but it was built wrong (for the application
that needs it).   Perhaps some things could be zapped (like supported
function codes), but the subsystem initialization routine can do a lot more 
than define those. 

Have a look at "MVS Using the Subsystem Interface".
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IEA2F240/

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Re: DFSMSDSS

[Bruce Black]

ADR374E (001)-OPNCL(09), UNABLE TO OPEN DDNAME TAPE, 10

10   Invalid parameters passed in JCL. The following are the probable
reasons:   
   
o   SYSIN/SYSOUT data set  
o   DISP=MOD coded for the output data set 
o   DISP=SHR coded for the output data set 
o   BLKSIZE less than 7892 bytes   
o   DSORG other than PS
o   BUFNO specified. 

Please show us your JCL.


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Re: DFSMSDSS

[John P Donnelly]

The JCL follows:

/STEP010  EXEC PGM=ADRDSSU, 
/ REGION=8M 
/SYSUDUMP DD  SYSOUT=*  
/SYSPRINT DD  SYSOUT=*  
/TAPE DD  DSN=CJPDSC.JOBTRAC.CPU111.DATASETS,   
/ DISP=(NEW,CATLG), 
/ VOL=(,,,99),  
/ UNIT=3490,
/ LABEL=EXPDT=99000,
/ DCB=MODEL.DSCB
/SYSINDD  * 
DUMP DATASET(INCLUDE( - 
J092SC.JOBTRAC.RRUNLIB -

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>
> ADR374E (001)-OPNCL(09), UNABLE TO OPEN DDNAME TAPE, 10
10   Invalid parameters passed in JCL. The following are the probable
 reasons:   

 o   SYSIN/SYSOUT data set  
 o   DISP=MOD coded for the output data set 
 o   DISP=SHR coded for the output data set 
 o   BLKSIZE less than 7892 bytes   
 o   DSORG other than PS
 o   BUFNO specified. 

Please show us your JCL.

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Re: DFSMSDSS

[McKown, John]

> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John P Donnelly
> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:49 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: DFSMSDSS
> 
> 
> The JCL follows:
> 
> /STEP010  EXEC PGM=ADRDSSU, 
> / REGION=8M 
> /SYSUDUMP DD  SYSOUT=*  
> /SYSPRINT DD  SYSOUT=*  
> /TAPE DD  DSN=CJPDSC.JOBTRAC.CPU111.DATASETS,   
> / DISP=(NEW,CATLG), 
> / VOL=(,,,99),  
> / UNIT=3490,
> / LABEL=EXPDT=99000,
> / DCB=MODEL.DSCB
> /SYSINDD  * 
> DUMP DATASET(INCLUDE( - 
> J092SC.JOBTRAC.RRUNLIB -

Ah! and what are the DCB characteristics of MODEL.DSCB? Is it possible
that it was recreated on your new system and included bad
characteristics? Also, if a DATACLAS is assigned to the DD, then you no
longer need a DCB=MODEL.DSCB parameter at all. The DATACLAS will fulfill
the need instead. Actually, since you are not using a GDG, you don't
need a DCB=MODEL.DSCB in any case.

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Re: DFSMSDSS

[Pinnacle]

- Original Message - 
From: "John P Donnelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 12:49 PM
Subject: RE: DFSMSDSS



The JCL follows:

/STEP010  EXEC PGM=ADRDSSU,
/ REGION=8M
/SYSUDUMP DD  SYSOUT=*
/SYSPRINT DD  SYSOUT=*
/TAPE DD  DSN=CJPDSC.JOBTRAC.CPU111.DATASETS,
/ DISP=(NEW,CATLG),
/ VOL=(,,,99),
/ UNIT=3490,
/ LABEL=EXPDT=99000,
/ DCB=MODEL.DSCB
/SYSINDD  *
DUMP DATASET(INCLUDE( -
J092SC.JOBTRAC.RRUNLIB -



John,

Check your MODEL.DSCB, your ALLOCxx member of PARMLIB, and your SMS 
definitions to ensure that nothing's changed.


Regards,
Tom Conley 


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Re: DFSMSDSS

[John P Donnelly]

John,

Bingo...
MODEL.DSCB...

Thankyou  

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 9:52 AM
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> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John P Donnelly
> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:49 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: DFSMSDSS
> 
> 
> The JCL follows:
> 
> /STEP010  EXEC PGM=ADRDSSU, 
> / REGION=8M 
> /SYSUDUMP DD  SYSOUT=*  
> /SYSPRINT DD  SYSOUT=*  
> /TAPE DD  DSN=CJPDSC.JOBTRAC.CPU111.DATASETS,   
> / DISP=(NEW,CATLG), 
> / VOL=(,,,99),  
> / UNIT=3490,
> / LABEL=EXPDT=99000,
> / DCB=MODEL.DSCB
> /SYSINDD  * 
> DUMP DATASET(INCLUDE( - 
> J092SC.JOBTRAC.RRUNLIB -

Ah! and what are the DCB characteristics of MODEL.DSCB? Is it possible
that it was recreated on your new system and included bad
characteristics? Also, if a DATACLAS is assigned to the DD, then you no
longer need a DCB=MODEL.DSCB parameter at all. The DATACLAS will fulfill
the need instead. Actually, since you are not using a GDG, you don't
need a DCB=MODEL.DSCB in any case.

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Re: RACF and Member Level Protection

[Edward Jaffe]

Paul Gilmartin wrote:

Since BPAM now supports read access to HFS directories (barring
those utilities that balk at this), might an alternative be to
use HFS rather than PDS, and protect the members with ACLs?  If
so, it's a solved problem.
  


What about write access?

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Re: Effects of Linux on z...ISV support and z/OS (Was: IBM to the PCM market)

[Tom Marchant]

On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:10:53 -0500, Chase, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

>
>I know of no technical reason why Windows could not be coded to run on a
>"z" box.  There may be some lingering "bad blood" from the IBM - MS
>"divorce" over Windows vs. OS/2 causing MS to eschew the "z"
>platform
>

z/Architecture has no defined interface for video, sound or mouse.  No 
interface for add-in cards for these or other things.  Or were you thinking 
that 
you'd use a PC wunning windows for a user interface?

The way windows works, you'd have to run in supervisor state a lot more than 
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Re: RACF and Member Level Protection

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> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe
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> 
> 
> Paul Gilmartin wrote:
> > Since BPAM now supports read access to HFS directories (barring
> > those utilities that balk at this), might an alternative be to
> > use HFS rather than PDS, and protect the members with ACLs?  If
> > so, it's a solved problem.
> >   
> 
> What about write access?
> 
> -- 
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What about WRITE access? A UNIX file has three sets of three accesses:

READ FOR OWNER
WRITE FOR OWNER
EXECUTE FOR OWNER

READ FOR GROUP
WRITE FOR GROUP
EXECUTE FOR GROUP

READ FOR OTHER
WRITE FOR OTHER
EXECUTE FOR OTHER

With ACLs, you can even do more security.

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Re: Effects of Linux on z...ISV support and z/OS (Was: IBM to the PCM market)

[McKown, John]

We have some "headless" Windows servers. A "Windows for zSeries" could
use that same interface so that there would be no need for those devices
on a zSeries machine. Actually, they are of little use on a normal
server which is living in the machine room too. Except during
exceptional processing. Now, IBM has a "builtin" ASCII telnet and TN3270
on the HMC that are driven via special code. I would assume that they
could do something similar for a "Windows display terminal". If they
really wanted to .

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> 
> 
> On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:10:53 -0500, Chase, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> 
> >
> >I know of no technical reason why Windows could not be coded 
> to run on a
> >"z" box.  There may be some lingering "bad blood" from the IBM - MS
> >"divorce" over Windows vs. OS/2 causing MS to eschew the "z"
> >platform
> >
> 
> z/Architecture has no defined interface for video, sound or 
> mouse.  No 
> interface for add-in cards for these or other things.  Or 
> were you thinking that 
> you'd use a PC wunning windows for a user interface?
> 
> The way windows works, you'd have to run in supervisor state 
> a lot more than 
> you'd like.
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Re: Effects of Linux on z...ISV support and z/OS (Was: IBM to the PCM market)

[Chase, John]

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tom Marchant
> 
> On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:10:53 -0500, Chase, John wrote:
> 
> >
> >I know of no technical reason why Windows could not be coded to run
on 
> >a "z" box.  There may be some lingering "bad blood" from the IBM - MS

> >"divorce" over Windows vs. OS/2 causing MS to eschew the "z"
> >platform
> 
> z/Architecture has no defined interface for video, sound or 
> mouse.  No interface for add-in cards for these or other 
> things.  Or were you thinking that you'd use a PC wunning 
> windows for a user interface?

It should be technically feasible to separate Windows' "business logic"
from its "presentation logic", and run just the "business logic" on the
z.

> The way windows works, you'd have to run in supervisor state 
> a lot more than you'd like.

As long as it's done correctly (includes "properly protected"), who
cares?

-jc-

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Re: Effects of Linux on z...ISV support and z/OS (Was: IBM to the PCM market)

[McKown, John]

Caution: reply contains snide remarks about MS and Windows.

> -Original Message-
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> 
> It should be technically feasible to separate Windows' 
> "business logic"
> from its "presentation logic", and run just the "business 
> logic" on the
> z.

Theoritically. I have never seen any Windows source code. But from what
I've read, it must be the most ad-hoc spagetti code in existance today.
That's why ever time you turn around, there is a new exploit.

> 
> > The way windows works, you'd have to run in supervisor state 
> > a lot more than you'd like.
> 
> As long as it's done correctly (includes "properly protected"), who
> cares?
> 
> -jc-

Is anything in Windows "done correctly"? I wouldn't want any MS code
anywhere near my z! Windows has absolutely crummy "security". 

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Re: Effects of Linux on z...ISV support and z/OS (Was: IBM to the PCM market)

[Tim Hare]

Let's be fair - Windows security may or may not be bad. 


What we usually see are examples of poor application programming security. 
At least from my viewpoint,  Internet Explorer, Word, Firefox, et al  are 
applications, they're not part of the core OS.

Which is, of course, not to say that Windows OS security is as good as 
z/OS Security Server, but I think we just want to compare apples to 
apples.

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Re: Effects of Linux on z...ISV support and z/OS (Was: IBM to the PCM market)

[McKown, John]

> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Hare
> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 1:08 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Effects of Linux on z...ISV support and z/OS 
> (Was: IBM to the PCM market)
> 
> 
> Let's be fair - Windows security may or may not be bad. 
> 
> 
> What we usually see are examples of poor application 
> programming security. 
> At least from my viewpoint,  Internet Explorer, Word, 
> Firefox, et al  are 
> applications, they're not part of the core OS.
> 
> Which is, of course, not to say that Windows OS security is 
> as good as 
> z/OS Security Server, but I think we just want to compare apples to 
> apples.
> 
> Tim Hare

I agree that it's difficult to tell. Take I.E. (please!), MS swears to
high heavens that it is so integrated into the system that it cannot be
removed without breaking the system. And the new .ANI exploit is
directly in the Windows rendering engine, which is again integrated
intimately with the OS. This is like in the old days of OS/360 where
tons of stuff ran key 0, and so could compromise reliability. That's
where Windows is today. Too much stuff runs in ring 0. If it runs in
ring 0, I consider it to be part of the OS.

Firefox on Linux has few exploits that I'm aware of. But there are some.
However, on Linux, it can only affect that one user. Unless it is being
run as root (which only an  would do), it cannot harm the OS
itself or another user. Windows tends to have less separation of
authority than Linux. There are exploits which can hurt Linux, of
course. Mainly of old software that runs as root. Modern Linux software,
even "system" type daemons, try to run with "reduced priviliges" by
either chroot'ing or running the majority of the software in a separate
process, running as a non-root user. (compare sendmail with postfix for
email, for instance).

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Re: IBM to the PCM market(the sky is falling!!!the sky is falling!!)

[Howard Brazee]

On 6 Apr 2007 13:10:39 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ted MacNEIL)
wrote:

>According to a Canadian IBM'r, there are approximately 6,000 mainframe 
>licences world-wide.
>
>To put it in perspective, there are approximately 230,000 Oracle licences.

I'm not getting the perspective here - how do I compare these two?
(should we add the number of Windows licenses to the comparison?)

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SYSB-II alternatives

[Mueller, David]

Can someone help me find alternative products to SYSB-II?  For VSAM
files that are used by / open to CICS, we use SYSB to route batch access
to the VSAM files through the CICS region - especially the file updates.


David Mueller | Systems Programmer | DMS/EITS
Phone: 850-414-9134 (Rm 107 SRC) | Fax: 850-921-8343
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Re: SYSB-II alternatives

[Havelock, Glenn A]

CA-Shareoption/5 may be appropriate, Dave - let me know if you would like to 
discuss any technical issues or questions.

Regards,

Glenn Havelock, CA
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Can someone help me find alternative products to SYSB-II?  For VSAM
files that are used by / open to CICS, we use SYSB to route batch access
to the VSAM files through the CICS region - especially the file updates.


David Mueller | Systems Programmer | DMS/EITS
Phone: 850-414-9134 (Rm 107 SRC) | Fax: 850-921-8343
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Re: What makes MASTER CONSOLE unique?

[Patrick O'Keefe]

On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:09:55 -0500, W. Kevin Kelley 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> So hopefully
>everything you ever wanted to know about how the exit interface 
>actually works is now explained. ...

And if it isn't, we know who to ask.  :-)

Pat O'Keefe

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Re: What makes MASTER CONSOLE unique?

[Bob Rutledge]

W. Kevin Kelley wrote:


While the PDF is good, I think you will find the
actual commentary in the mapping macro to be better.


Having installed the fix and read the macro, I agree.  Highly recommended for 
anybody writing or revisiting MPF exits.


When they were looking for someone to assign to answering the APAR, they 
came to me because they knew that I'd written lots of IEAVMXITs and MPF 
exits over the last 20 years or so. Also, Message Flood Automation is 
(unfortunately) written as an IEAVMXIT, and I was working on that at the 
same time, plus I had access to the Consoles source code. So hopefully 
everything you ever wanted to know about how the exit interface actually 
works is now explained. I could certainly have saved myself a lot of grief if this 
documentation had been available years ago.


My scars date from ESA 4.something.

Bob

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z/OS V1R8 Performance Problem Resolved

[Jim Marshall]

A few weeks ago, we went live on z/OS V1R8 and it was shaky at best with a 
number of problems. Some were resolved quickly and others have lingered. 
Here is a quick review of things. 
 
1. JES2 $BR4 abends were definitely an IBM problem and resolved with a 
JES2 fix. 

2. Running CICS/ADABASE in a Parallel Sysplex had some irregular CICS 
performance issues. Transactions seem to be queuing up on the Re-dispatch 
queue for upwards of 60+ seconds and then all of the sudden flying through. 
This was resolved in a number of things learned. 
 
a. Running 5 LPARS in the Parallel Sysplex with a shared spool revealed 
one cause of the delay was because in CICS, there are a LARGE quantity of 
batch jobs being submitted using the CICS Transient Data Queue (TDQ). One 
cause of slowness was the JES2 Checkpoint is needed by the system to do 
the SUBMIT. We "tweeded" the JES2 parms so other systems would not hold 
the checkpoint as long and we gave this system a bit more time to keep it. 
 
b. There is a CICS exit which is used to do the SUBMIT and in the code 
we had on TRACE all the time for every SUBMIT. We changed the code to 
check to see if TRACE was turned off/on for the CICS Transaction doing the 
submit and set the exit invocation accordingly. 
 
c. There was also a CICS APAR generated at the same time concerning 
the TDQ  - PK42184.  It was found when IBM analyzed one of our dumps and 
came back with a new module called DFHTDP.Here is what the CICS fix 
does: 
 
PK42184 will introduce code that will perform a TCB switch from the Quasi-
Reentrant (QR) TCB to the File Owning (FO) TCB when a write request is made 
to JES Internal Reader.  This way, any internal processing or JES waits will 
occur under the FO rather than the QR TCB.  This will free up the QR TCB so 
that other transactions can run.  When the JES work is done, the transaction 
will switch back to the QR TCB and continue 
processing.
 
Things are back working fine now.   Jim   

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Re: Effects of Linux on z...ISV support and z/OS (Was: IBM to the PCM market)

[Bruno Sugliani]

On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:07:38 -0400, Tim Hare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Let's be fair - Windows security may or may not be bad.
>
>
>What we usually see are examples of poor application programming security.
>At least from my viewpoint,  Internet Explorer, Word, Firefox, et al  are
>applications, they're not part of the core OS.
>
>Which is, of course, not to say that Windows OS security is as good as
>z/OS Security Server, but I think we just want to compare apples to
>apples.
>
Agreed 
We should not compare windows servers with windows clients which is too
often the case .
Windows servers ( at least mine) do not crash more than linux , we do not
need to reboot them . Most are up for months , and the rare crashes we have
are most of the time ,some lousy applications crashes  in the same way we
recycle sometime an asid in MVS  . 
It is difficult when one is stopping and restarting CICS everyday to compare 
apples with apples 
As for security , there are more hackers in the world than MVS sysprogs or 
MVS installation on this earth . 
I definitely love my RACF security system and I definitely do not like
active directory and strange security techniques in windows , but on the
other hand it is easier for us MVS people without hackers around .
there is a saying from Corneille ( some old french writer) 
"Winning without danger is triumph without glory"
Just thoughts ( no flak please :-))  )
 Bruno
Bruno(dot)sugliani(at)groupemornay(dot)asso(dot)fr



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Re: Question about SuperWylbur

[Longnecker, Dennis]

For those who care, SuperWylbur is running just fine in our z/OS 1.7
system (running version 4.3).  Had to do some special fixes for JES
support.   Otherwise, it is just wonderful!

Dennis Longnecker 

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In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 04/04/2007
   at 09:30 PM, "(IBM Mainframe Discussion List)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:

>In a message dated 4/4/2007 7:42:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>Online Software International is not the same company as  Optimum
>Systems Inc. They had nothing to do with SuperWylbur(r).
> 
>Where "they" means Online Software International.

Correct; neither Online Software International nor Online Business
Systems had anything to do with SuperWylbur(r). 
 
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Re: Effects of Linux on z...ISV support and z/OS (Was: IBM to the PCM market)

[Rick Fochtman]

Is anything in Windows "done correctly"? I wouldn't want any MS code 
anywhere near my z! Windows has absolutely crummy "security".

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Re: IBM to the PCM market(the sky is falling!!!the sky is falling!!)

[Ted MacNEIL]

>>To put it in perspective, there are approximately 230,000 Oracle licences.

>I'm not getting the perspective here - how do I compare these two?
>(should we add the number of Windows licenses to the comparison?)

The perspective I failed to communicate is that ORACLE is the largest licensed 
DB in the world.

With only 6000 mainframe licences (or 9000) as somebody else claimed, what it 
the maximum number of CICS/IMS/DB2 licences needed?



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Re: z/OS V1R8 Performance Problem Resolved

[Ted MacNEIL]

>Running 5 LPARS in the Parallel Sysplex with a shared spool revealed one cause 
>of the delay was because in CICS, there are a LARGE quantity of batch jobs 
>being submitted using the CICS Transient Data Queue (TDQ).

I found, years ago, that 5 systems was the effective maximum number of systems 
that could perform in a MASPLEX/SYSPLEX.

I recommend that, if you have that many, or more that you consider putting it 
into a CF.

I was going to do that, 3 years ago, then they downsized me and nobody picked 
it up after that.

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Re: z/OS V1R8 Performance Problem Resolved

[Craddock, Chris]

> >Running 5 LPARS in the Parallel Sysplex with a shared spool revealed
one
> cause of the delay was because in CICS, there are a LARGE quantity of
> batch jobs being submitted using the CICS Transient Data Queue (TDQ).
> 
> I found, years ago, that 5 systems was the effective maximum number of
> systems that could perform in a MASPLEX/SYSPLEX.

I don't think there is any magic number like that. I have certainly seen
much larger sysplexes than that and they seemed to work just fine. IBM
tests with much larger configurations as well. No doubt there is a point
where adding more is really less, but I don't think that limit is so
easily predictable. Like everything else in this game "It depends".

CC

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IF/THEN/ELSE/ENDIF

[Mark Carbaugh]

Hello All,

 

Can anyone tell me why this does not work with out the START step?

 

//IFTHEN   JOB (999),'TEST JOB',  

// CLASS=A,MSGCLASS=A,

// NOTIFY=MARKC   

//*   

//*   

// SET TEMP=04

//STARTEXEC PGM=IEFBR14   

//*   

//IFEQ01   IF (&TEMP = 01) THEN   

//JS010EXEC PGM=XPSTIMER,PARM='0500'  

//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*

//END  ENDIF  

//*   

//IFLT12   IF (&TEMP > 01 & &TEMP < 12) THEN  

//JS020EXEC PGM=XPSTIMER,PARM='0100'  

//SYSPRINT DD DSN=MARKC.DATA,DISP=(NEW,DELETE,DELETE),

//UNIT=3490,LABEL=(1,SL)  

//END  ENDIF  

//*   

//IFEQ12   IF (&TEMP = 12) THEN   

//JS030EXEC PGM=XPSTIMER,PARM='1000'  

//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*

//END  ENDIF  

//*   

 

TIA

 

Mark Carbaugh

 


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Re: Effects of Linux on z...ISV support and z/OS (Was: IBM to the PCM market)

[Chris Mason]

Bruno

This reminds me of a question I was asked while "grubbing" for a grant to 
take me through university:


"Why is it absurd to say there are no two trees in the world with the same 
number of leaves?"


Chris Mason

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PCM market)




...
As for security , there are more hackers in the world than MVS sysprogs or
MVS installation on this earth .
... 


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Re: IF/THEN/ELSE/ENDIF

[Scott Barry]

The JCL statement's IF/THEN logic can only be used to step-completion 
conditions, not current
symbolic state, such as a job-step completion, max cond-code, ABEND as 
true/false, job-step
execution as true/false and ABENDCC (ABEND codes).  Have a look at the JCL 
Reference for more
specific limitations.  

And if you have more complex requirements, consider generating your JCL 
on-the-fly (with REXX or
some other language) to a PDS member, then split up the processing into 
multiple job-executions and
resolve your desired step executions using JCLLIB/INCLUDE statements, as an 
alternative.

Scott Barry
SBBWorks, Inc.
___


From: Mark Carbaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

Hello All,

 

Can anyone tell me why this does not work with out the START step?

 

//IFTHEN   JOB (999),'TEST JOB',  

// CLASS=A,MSGCLASS=A,

// NOTIFY=MARKC   

//*   

//*   

// SET TEMP=04

//STARTEXEC PGM=IEFBR14   

//*   

//IFEQ01   IF (&TEMP = 01) THEN   

//JS010EXEC PGM=XPSTIMER,PARM='0500'  

//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*

//END  ENDIF  

//*   

//IFLT12   IF (&TEMP > 01 & &TEMP < 12) THEN  

//JS020EXEC PGM=XPSTIMER,PARM='0100'  

//SYSPRINT DD DSN=MARKC.DATA,DISP=(NEW,DELETE,DELETE),

//UNIT=3490,LABEL=(1,SL)  

//END  ENDIF  

//*   

//IFEQ12   IF (&TEMP = 12) THEN   

//JS030EXEC PGM=XPSTIMER,PARM='1000'  

//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*

//END  ENDIF  

//*   

 

TIA

 

Mark Carbaugh

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Re: Effects of Linux on z...ISV support and z/OS (Was: IBM to the PCM market)

[Timothy Sipples]

Dave Gibney writes:
>That's good to know (the 22.5K). The other issue for my site is the
>"ease" of finding Windows people vs. even Unix people, let alone z/OS.

Google is your friend. :-)
http://lug.wsu.edu

I'm assuming that WSU is your employer based on your e-mail address -- or
at least that you have some sort of affiliation with WSU.  I've also found
several references to WSU using Linux in its courses (e.g. CompSci 223).
I'd be shocked if LUG members at WSU would turn down the opportunity to
work with Linux on z as a pilot project.  (You'd hear words like "cool" and
"wow" in copious amounts. :-))  Give 'em the keys to an IFL, a little
direction, and let them work their magic. :-)

>Windows apps (.NET) don't convert quickly to z/Linux

"Quickly" as in snap your fingers, maybe not, but not really rocket science
either.  There is Mono (as somebody else already mentioned) along with
Mainsoft (http://www.mainsoft.com).  Using .NET as an ongoing application
environment may not be such a swell idea for a variety of reasons, but
you've got options for stuff you already wrote.

I should also mention that you can ask your friendly IBM or business
partner rep for a Linux loaner/trial.  As mentioned upthread, many shops
got IFLs during a promotion.  For those that didn't, it may be possible to
arrange a loaner.  If you're a university it could get even more
interesting.  The Linux folks are pretty good judges, in advance, about
what you ought to consider running there.  It's not difficult to figure
out.  If you have a complete server inventory and utilization data, by
middleware/application, then you've probably got enough for a Linux
specialist to make an informed estimate.  If you don't have such data,
you've got bigger problems. :-)

Re: Bruno's point about VMware, VMware does have value and should be part
of the financial calculation.  But if all you can consolidate is
test/development -- and you can't consolidate all of it, because final
testing has to be the same as production -- that probably isn't going to do
much for the financials.  Not to mention that you can't overpower X86's
limitations with processor horsepower, and modern IFLs are pretty decent in
sheer number crunching ability anyway.  z/VM and z/Architecture are very
good at what they do and, while VMware is quite a step forward, it still
has very real limitations.  Even with VMware we're just not seeing
processor utilizations going up all that much in real world experience (as
evidenced perhaps by Bruno's 240 servers :-)).

There are also some vendors, notably Microsoft, that have recently
increased their software license charges for virtualized environments.
(See Microsoft Windows Vista for some onerous new licensing rules.)  And
some vendors demand that you replicate any problem outside VMware before
they'll agree to look into it or fix it.

No question, though, that in many enterprises both technologies should play
a role.  It depends on the workload of course: blade servers, AIX LPARs,
and z/VM all exist because they have different characteristics.  And I
disagree with the WebSphere remark, by the way.  Take WebSphere Commerce
Server as an example.  You're sitting happy if you run that on IFLs.  (It's
well into the six dollar figures per CPU to buy those licenses.  Worth
every penny of course for what it does, but you might as well run it as
economically as possible.)

Another interesting case is Oracle RAC.  Can you run Oracle RAC nodes in
VMs on one VMware system?  Yes, but that offers little advantage for high
availability, which is the point of RAC.  Under z/VM you get the benefits
of RAC communications across Hipersockets (i.e. very, very fast) while
preserving the high availability benefits of RAC because you're on hardware
that protects you.  And that's unique.  It depends on the workload, but if
your Oracle servers have high-ish rates of simple inserts/updates, that's
probably going to be an excellent match for Oracle RAC on Linux on z if
you have to run Oracle. :-)

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IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect
Specializing in Software Architectures Related to System z
Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan and IBM Asia-Pacific
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Re: IF/THEN/ELSE/ENDIF

[Schiradin,Roland HG-Dir itb-db/dc]

Mark, post the JCL-Error you see 

A neat trick (BYPASS.RC is always 0)

//EXEC SET DB2D=0,   0=BYPASS, 1=EXECUTE 
// DB2C=0,   0=BYPASS, 1=EXECUTE 
// DB2B=0,   0=BYPASS, 1=EXECUTE 
// DB2S=0,   0=BYPASS, 1=EXECUTE 
// DB2T=0,   0=BYPASS, 1=EXECUTE 
// DB2X=0,   0=BYPASS, 1=EXECUTE 
// DB2P=0,   0=BYPASS, 1=EXECUTE 
// DB2E=0,   0=BYPASS, 1=EXECUTE 
// DB2H=10=BYPASS, 1=EXECUTE 
//BYPASS EXEC PGM=IEFBR14
//*  
//EXECD0 IF (BYPASS.RC NE &DB2D) THEN
//ALDEFF0 EXEC PGM=IDCAMS
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*   
//SYSINDD *  
//   ENDIF 

Roland


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The JCL statement's IF/THEN logic can only be used to 
step-completion conditions, not current symbolic state, such as 
a job-step completion, max cond-code, ABEND as true/false, 
job-step execution as true/false and ABENDCC (ABEND codes).  
Have a look at the JCL Reference for more specific limitations.  

And if you have more complex requirements, consider generating 
your JCL on-the-fly (with REXX or some other language) to a PDS 
member, then split up the processing into multiple 
job-executions and resolve your desired step executions using 
JCLLIB/INCLUDE statements, as an alternative.

Scott Barry
SBBWorks, Inc.
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Re: IBM to the PCM market(the sky is falling!!!the sky is falling!!)

[Timothy Sipples]

Ray Mullins writes:
>As Timothy and Marcia are both marketing folks, you're right, Alan, they
>would not be able to speak for IBM regarding ISVs

I'm not a marketing guy.  Nor (to anticipate the next question) do I get
commissions.  To my wallet's shame, really.  The occasional bonus, yes.  I
don't speak for IBM here.

>Reading between Timothy's lines  :-)  , I guess he is talking about the
>Dallas offerings, which we've already noted are more expensive than the
>current FLEX-ES arrangements, and require more effort and external
>management than lugging around a laptop.

Getting much warmer, but combine with something Alan recommended and you've
got the idea.

I just found it fascinating/delightful that IBM offers ISVs a 30-day (or
60-day) z/VM-hosted solution for $0 with a price schedule beyond that.
Totally random observation, of course.

- - - - -
Timothy Sipples
IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect
Specializing in Software Architectures Related to System z
Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan and IBM Asia-Pacific
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Re: IF/THEN/ELSE/ENDIF

[Paul Gilmartin]

In a recent note, Mark Carbaugh said:

> Subject:  IF/THEN/ELSE/ENDIF
> 
> Can anyone tell me why this does not work with out the START step?
> 
> //IFTHEN   JOB (999),'TEST JOB',
> // CLASS=A,MSGCLASS=A,
> // NOTIFY=MARKC
> //*
> // SET TEMP=04
> //STARTEXEC PGM=IEFBR14
> //*
> //IFEQ01   IF (&TEMP = 01) THEN
> 
This question need be asked only because JCL developers
were irresponsible to an extent that strains the concept
of engineering ethics.

From:

  17.1.6 "z/OS V1R7.0 MVS JCL Reference"

  17.1.6 Location in the JCL

   An IF/THEN/ELSE/ENDIF statement construct can appear anywhere
   in the job after the first EXEC statement.

So, absent the START step, this rule is violated.  But no diagnostic
message is issued.  Not to report such an explicit error is
irresponsible.  And further:

17.1.4.5 Relational-Expression Keywords

   The following keywords are the only keywords supported by IBM
   and recommended for use in relational-expressions.  Any other
   keywords, even if accepted by the system, are not intended or
   supported keywords.

   Keyword Use
   RC
  indicates a return code

   ABEND
  indicates an abend condition occurred

   ¬ABEND
  indicates no abend condition occurred

   ABENDCC
  indicates a system or user completion code

   RUN
  indicates that the specified step started execution

   ¬RUN
  indicates that the specified step did not start execution

Your intended relational-expression, "(&TEMP = 01)" does not
match any of  the forms in the list.  Again, not to report such
an explicit violation and weasel with words such as "even if
accepted" is irresponsible.

The JCL parser should report as an error any use by the programmer
of a constuct which is not "intended".  Or, perhaps better,
provide clearly specified and intuitive semantics for any
construct which is accepted.  For example, the RM states
(I paraphrase) that if the IF/THEN precedes the first EXEC
in the job, it does not apply to that first EXEC, but does
apply to the second and following contained EXECs.  I deem
this grossly contrary to intuition, or at least to experience
with other programming languages.

The JCL developers were lazy and irresponsible in not providing
diagnostic messages for constructs which are "not intended or
supported".

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Re: ISPF problem

[nafez]

Dave,

I have already reported the problem to SBM. Daud Matthews has left KSU since 
many years.


Regards;

Nafez Al-Besheeti
Sys. Prog.
KSU
Tel : 014675707
Mobile : 0504433206
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Nafez,

I would suggest reporting this to your friendly SBM PSR. It looks like a 
system defect.


By the way, Is Daud Matthews still at KSU?

Regards,
Dave O'Brien




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Re: IBM to the PCM market(the sky is falling!!!the sky is falling!!)

[Paul Gilmartin]

In a recent note, Jim Harrison said:

> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 17:28:54 -0400
> 
> Not really.  Since the *ix boxes max out at 30% utilization, you need
> 
This statement has been repeated so often among mainframe
partisans that it has come to be accepted without question.
Can someone provide a source, attribution, citation, whatever?

What does it mean to "max out"  Is it that regardless of how
much work is available to be dispatched, the utilization
never rises above 30%?  If so, what other bottleneck is
constraining throughput?

Is it that at some very low utilization, delta, the throughput
is epsilon, and if the relation were linear, at 100% utilization
the throughput would be expected to be epsilon/delta, but as
the workload increases, the utilization rises to 100%, but the
throughput never rises above 0.3*epsilon/delta?  If so, what
form of overhead is consuming 70% of the "utilization"?

For what sort of workload mix does the statement apply?  I
find it hard to believe that at least for certain sorts of
problems such as cryptanalysis, meteorological simulations,
and molecular orbital computation the CPU, at least, would
not be fully utilized for productive computation with little
overhead.

Inquiring minds want to know.

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Re: IBM to the PCM market(the sky is falling!!!the sky is falling!!)

[Anne & Lynn Wheeler]

The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Gilmartin) writes:
> What does it mean to "max out"  Is it that regardless of how
> much work is available to be dispatched, the utilization
> never rises above 30%?  If so, what other bottleneck is
> constraining throughput?

sort of reminds me of when in the late 80s we were running around doing
3-tier and middle ware/layer executive presentations and taking lots of
arrows from the SAA forces. Lots of past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#3tier

part of the 3-tier and middle ware/layer executive presentations
involved e-net (as opposed to 16mbit t/r). the "word" was that e-net
only could get 1mbit thruput. However, it appeared that they must of
been using for the comparison, the original 3mbit enet before
listen-before-transmit.

there was an '88 acm sigcomm article that configuration of something
like 40 stations in low-level device driver loop constantly transmitting
minimum sized packets ... that 10mbit e-net over cat5 would drop off to
only 8mbits effective thruput.

along with that, the new almaden bldg. had been wired w/cat5 supposedly
for 16mbit t/r ... but tests were showing that 10mbit enet over the cat5
had both higher effective thruput as well as lower latency than 16mbit
t/r over the same cat5.

disclaimer: my wife had been con'ed into going to pok to be in charge of
loosely-coupled architecture. while there she came out with peer-coupled
shared data architecture ... misc past postings
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#sharedata

and also while in pok was co-inventor on token-passing ring patent (that
was subsequently granted).

and except for ims hot-standby ... the peer-couple shared data
architecture had very little uptake until sysplex.

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