Re: Where doc for STORAGE LINKAGE=SYSTEM?

2010-09-01 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 18:10 -0700 on 08/31/2010, Charles Mills wrote about Where doc for 
STORAGE LINKAGE=SYSTEM?:



I'm looking at page 119 of z/OS V1R10.0 MVS Assembler Services SET-WTO, the
STORAGE macro. There is a very brief mention of LINKAGE=SYSTEM. However, at
the beginning of the chapter, where it discusses register usage, there is
only a description of LINKAGE=SVC and LINKAGE=BRANCH. What am I not seeing?


I think LINKAGE=SYSTEM requires the user to be in Authorized state. 
If I am correct, you need to look in the Authorized Services Manual 
(just like you would for other Authorized User Parms of macros that 
can also be used in non-Authorized mode).


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Re: format of STCK instruction

2010-09-01 Thread Jim Mulder
 Assuming you are referring to the statement that the ETOD as currently
 defined will still overflow at the same time as the old TOD clock, this
 statement is technically correct although it is also clearly stated by
 IBM that the obvious extension into the high-order zero byte is planned
 for the future.  Here is what the PofOp says:
 
 At some time in the future, STORE CLOCK EXTENDED on new models will
 store a leftmost extension of the TOD clock in byte position 0 of its
 storage operand
 
 So, if at the time of the TOD rollover you are still running old
 hardware (where what constitutes new is still undefined), STCKE WILL
 overflow at the same time as STCK and the old TOD.
 
 What also seems to be unfortunately left ambiguous at this point is
 whether the z/OS date conversion facilities that allow you to convert to
 and from the ETOD format include support for ETOD values with a non-zero
 high-order byte.  Those conversion facilities have some very nice
 features and could be the basis for some generalized date calculation
 routines, where the ETOD format is only used as an intermediate form in
 date calculation for historic and future dates.  But the way ETOD is
 currently formally defined, one would have to assume that these
 conversion routines might not tolerate a non zero high order byte and
 would fail with conversion of dates beyond the TOD overflow point.
 
 The fact the current hardware may only support setting and storing ETOD
 values with a high order zero byte should not preclude software support
 for larger values when these values are used in other contexts than
 setting and storing the hardware clock.
 
 It would be more useful for coding and generalized use of the conversion
 facilities if the formal definition of the ETOD format explicitly showed
 the high-order byte as an active part of the time value, with a footnote
 stating that current hardware models are only capable of being set to
 times and storing times where the high-order byte is zero.  Perhaps this
 is what was intended by IBM, but it is not what is stated.  Since this
 is the only place the ETOD format is formally defined, until the
 definition is changed one is forced to assume ETOD software date
 conversion facilities don't support ETOD dates beyond the TOD overflow.
 
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  IEATTIME (service routine for TIME and STCKCONV) and
IEATCNVT(service routine for CONVTOD) currently do not process the
high order byte of an ETOD value.

Jim Mulder   z/OS System Test   IBM Corp.  Poughkeepsie,  NY


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Re: Where doc for STORAGE LINKAGE=SYSTEM?

2010-09-01 Thread Jim Mulder
 Some problems solved by looking at the V1R12.0 PDF online. 
LINKAGE=SYSTEM is
 documented, but BRANCH=SVC is still there, and no discussion of LINKAGE 
for
 STORAGE RELEASE.
 
 Charles
 
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 Of Charles Mills
 Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 6:11 PM
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 Subject: Where doc for STORAGE LINKAGE=SYSTEM?
 
 I'm looking at page 119 of z/OS V1R10.0 MVS Assembler Services SET-WTO, 
the
 STORAGE macro. There is a very brief mention of LINKAGE=SYSTEM. However, 
at
 the beginning of the chapter, where it discusses register usage, there 
is
 only a description of LINKAGE=SVC and LINKAGE=BRANCH. What am I not 
seeing?
 
 FWIW, the whole beginning of the chapter seems a little garbled. There 
are
 introductory sections called Input and Output Register Information that
 appear to be correct only for LINKAGE=SVC, and under Input Register
 Information for LINKAGE=SVC there is a reference to something called
 BRANCH=SVC (which is contradictory and not supported by the macro).
 
 Further, there is no documentation for LINKAGE= with STORAGE RELEASE. Is 
it
 not supported or is the documentation wrong?

  LINKAGE= is supported for STORAGE RELEASE in the same way it is 
supported for STORAGE OBTAIN. 

  The LINKAGE keyword has always been present on the STORAGE macro
since its creation in MVS/ESA SP3.1.0,  However, the only supported
value was the default of LINKAGE=SYSTEM. 

The other LINKAGE values (SVC, BRANCH, GLOBALBRANCH) were added in
   z/OS 1.6 (although not documented in the manuals until z/OS 1.7)
   to be equivalent to GETMAIN/FREEMAIN RC/RU/VRC/VRU, so that we would 
   no longer need to add new functions to the GETMAIN/FREEMAIN macros.
   If you think the beginning of the chapter seems a little garbled,
   try understanding and enhancing the source code for GETMAIN/FREEMAIN. 

 As always, we recommend sending a note to mhvr...@us.ibm.com
   describing any problems you find in the manuals. 
 
   Jim Mulder   z/OS System Test   IBM Corp.  Poughkeepsie,  NY

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Re: Where doc for STORAGE LINKAGE=SYSTEM?

2010-09-01 Thread Jim Mulder
 I think LINKAGE=SYSTEM requires the user to be in Authorized state. 
 If I am correct, you need to look in the Authorized Services Manual 
 (just like you would for other Authorized User Parms of macros that 
 can also be used in non-Authorized mode).

  LINKAGE=SYSTEM (and LINKAGE=SVC) do not require the user to be
in an Authorized state unless some other parameter is specified
which requires authorization.  LINKAGE=BRANCH and 
LINKAGE=GLOBALBRANCH require the user to be supervisor state,
key zero. 

Jim Mulder   z/OS System Test   IBM Corp.  Poughkeepsie,  NY

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Re: How often do you upgrade your zOS operating system?

2010-09-01 Thread R.S.

W dniu 2010-08-31 22:49, Michael Seeman pisze:

We also upgrade on a two year schedule.   Our clients have mandated
intensive testing requirements, so testing and deployment is pretty much a
half year effort at best.


How often? To often! vbg
I change OS and hardware much more frequently than my PC, laptop or 
Windows servers.


Regarding z/OS: I always do maximum *supported* jump, like 1.4-1.7, or 
1.7-1.9. That implies frequency of changes.


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Nostalgia (was 3270 Emulator Software)

2010-09-01 Thread Richards, Robert B.
This thread just proves most of us are getting or already are... *old*!  :-)

How about the commercials?

Ovaltine, N-E-S-T-L-E-S, 20 Mule Team Borax, Brylcreem (A Little Dab'll Do 
Ya!), Ipana Toothpaste with Bucky Beaver (Brusha... Brusha... Brusha. Get the 
New Ipana - it's dandy for your teeth!), LSMFT, Show us your Lark.

George Carlin had a whole routine on commercial slogans. Hilarious!

Bob

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Subject: Re: 3270 Emulator Software

What about Skippy, the bush kangaroo...

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 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of
 Linda Mooney
 Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 12:17 PM
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 Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] 3270 Emulator Software

 Yeah, and Arthur Godfrey, the original Twilight Zone, Captain Kangaroo, and
 Fury.



 I have a local 3270 in my cube, along with a PC with emulation and dual
 monitors.  I used to have a real 3279 s3g.  It was wonderful, but I couldn't
 remote to it like I can the PC.  I like not having to drive in when I 'get the
 call' off-hours.  :-)



 Linda


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 Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 2:29:02 PM
 Subject: Re: 3270 Emulator Software

 You forgot Rin, Tin, Tin and Hoppalong Cassidy  :-) Not to mention
 Roy Rogers, with Dale, Trigger, Buttermilk and a Jeep named Nelly
 Belle.  :-)

 Rick
 -
 Ed Finnell wrote:

 
 In a message dated 8/29/2010 9:02:07 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
 zedgarhoo...@gmail.com writes:
 
 No, it's retro, like the 50s: remember those round TVs?  :-)
 
 
 
 
 Dumont and Zenith were big. Sky King, Cpt  Preston, Buster Brown, and Ruff
 and Ready. Evening news was 'Walter Concrete'  as my sister used to say.
 Somewhere along the way I got a chemistry set and an  ATT science kit and my
 lifelong adventure began...
 
 
 
 
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Re: isolating sensitive data in coupling facility

2010-09-01 Thread Patrick Kappeler
You are absolutely Right Scott: if we have to go this way then we'll have also 
to introduce segregation among z/OS images.
Now, I should maybe point out that we are just now in the process of 
anticipating  what kind of restrictions we would have to deal with while 
putting 
together a project, for a client institution, still at an early foggy stage. 
Actually, 
I just wanted to give some context information related to my question.
Hence just knowing the answer to the question can anybody confirm that a 
structure will **never** be allocated in a CF not in the preference list (be it 
for initial allocation or for rebuilod/duplexing) ? would make us happy ..for 
the time being.
Thanks a lot
 Date:Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:35:58 -0500
 From:Scott Fagen scottfagen...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: isolating sensitive data in coupling facility

 On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 10:43:55 -0500, Patrick Kappeler wrote:

 -snip-
 In fact we are foreseeing some restrictions, brought by some standards, 
that
 would prohibit data with different security classes to reside in the same
 storage device. 
 -snip-

 What regulations are you referring to?  I would think that the vendors in
 the ecosystem (hardware - processors and storage - and software) would 
have
 some influence about such regulations.  For example, why would IBM 
continue
 to pursue increasingly higher EAL common criteria certification if customers
 were not going to be able to use logical partitioning.  By the way, if the
 interpretation of this regulation is what you say it is, then you really
 cannot mix applications within a single z/OS instance, right?

Scott Fagen
Chief Architect 
CA Mainframe CSU

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Re: Nostalgia

2010-09-01 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
robert.richa...@opm.gov (Richards, Robert B.) writes:
 This thread just proves most of us are getting or already are... *old*!  :-)

 How about the commercials?

 Ovaltine, N-E-S-T-L-E-S, 20 Mule Team Borax, Brylcreem (A Little
 Dab'll Do Ya!), Ipana Toothpaste with Bucky Beaver
 (Brusha... Brusha... Brusha. Get the New Ipana - it's dandy for your
 teeth!), LSMFT, Show us your Lark.

 George Carlin had a whole routine on commercial slogans. Hilarious!

I had done dynamic adaptive resource management while undergraduate in
the 60s ... and the company included it for cp67 distribution.

then in the early 70s, the cp67-vm370 morph had a lot of simplification
and most of it was dropped ... which was followed periodically by lots
of pressure from SHARE to have me re-release it for vm370.

then there was the FS period that totally consumed most of the
corporations attention ... and 370 hardware  software product pipelines
were allowed to dry up. when FS was finally killed, there was mad
rush to get products back into the 370 pipeline
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys

I had converted a bunch of stuff from cp67 and vm370 and doing product
distribution for large number of internal datacenters (and making less
then complimentary comments about reality of the FS effort) ... some old
email
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/v.html#email731212
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/w.html#email750102
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/w.html#email750430

a combination of SHARE pressure and mad rush to get stuff back into
product pipeline was enough to overcome development group NIH ...  I was
told to create the resource manager ... which was also selected to be
the guinea pig for starting to charge for kernel software (and i had to
spend lots of time with various parties working on policies for kernel
software charging) ... some past posts about starting to charge for
application software with the 23jun69 unbundling announcement (but
initially, kernel software was still free)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#unbundle

Somebody from corporate reviewed the resource manager specs and ask
where all the tuning parameters were (the favorite son operating system
in POK was doing a resource manager with an enormous number of manual
tuning parameters). The comment was all modern operating systems had
enormous numbers of manual tuning knobs for use by customer specialists
... and my resource manager couldn't be released w/o having some manual
tuning parameters. I tried to explain that a major point of dynamic
adptive resource manager ... was that the resource management did all
the tuning ... doing all the work dynamically adapting the system to
different configurations and workloads ... but it fell on deaf ears.

So I was forced to add some number of manual tuning modules and placed
them in a module call *SRM* ... and all the dynamic adaptive stuff went
into a module called *STP* (after TV commercial punch line for a product
associated with muscle cars of the 60s ... The Racer's Edge).

I published the detailed description of the operations (including the
components in SRM), how they operated and also published the code (which
was also included as part of the standard source distribution 
maintenance; later I was told, the details were even taught in some
univ. courses). However, there was a joke related to the nature of
dynamic adaptive and feedback control operations ... given that the
degrees of freedom afforded the (*SRM*) manual tuning knobs were less
than the degrees of freedom allowed the dynamic adaptive mechanism,
over the same components (i.e. the dynamic adaptive nature could more
than compensate for any manual changes that might be made).

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Re: Where doc for STORAGE LINKAGE=SYSTEM

2010-09-01 Thread Peter Relson
(FWIW, The reference is apparently to the Authorized Assembler Services 
Reference, not the Assembler Services Reference)

These documentation points are the sorts of errors that I encourage you to 
bring to our attention by the supported mechanisms, not IBM-Main. Of 
course if there's a problem you're trying to solve, not just pointing out 
a deficiency in the books, IBM-Main is a great resource. In this case, I 
will undertake to get this updated.

The answer to your question is simple: Since LINKAGE=SYSTEM is the 
default, the input and output register information are under the sections 
Input Register Information and Output Register Information.
And until the books are updated, if you need information about the Input 
or Output Register Information for any of the other LINKAGEs, see GETMAIN 
/ FREEMAIN. 
STORAGE LINKAGE=SVC is SVC-entry GETMAIN/FREEMAIN
STORAGE LINKAGE=BRANCH is  GETMAIN/FREEMAIN BRANCH=YES
STORAGE  LINKAGE=GLOBALBRANCH is GETMAIN/FREEMAIN BRANCH=(YES,GLOBAL)


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Re: Index of IBM announcement letters?

2010-09-01 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 00e101cb4860$46f6f0c0$d4e4d2...@org, on 08/30/2010
   at 09:27 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said:

http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/apilite?infotype=aninfosubt=calastdays=7;
ctvwcode=ushitlimit=200appname=USN#

Thanks; it's helpful for the newer stuff. 

I'd still like an index of the announcement letters for DF/DS, DF/EF,
ICR's, MVS/SE, MVS/SP early releases, OS/VS1, OS/VS2, SAM-E,
selectable units and TSO Command package, to say nothing of older
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Re: Nostalgia (was 3270 Emulator Software)

2010-09-01 Thread Staller, Allan
Forgot Burma Shave - Take it off! Take it all off! G

snip
How about the commercials?

Ovaltine, N-E-S-T-L-E-S, 20 Mule Team Borax, Brylcreem (A Little Dab'll Do 
Ya!), Ipana Toothpaste with Bucky Beaver (Brusha... Brusha... Brusha. Get the 
New Ipana - it's dandy for your teeth!), LSMFT, Show us your Lark.

George Carlin had a whole routine on commercial slogans. Hilarious!
/snip

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Re: Nostalgia (was 3270 Emulator Software)

2010-09-01 Thread McKown, John
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Re: Nostalgia (was 3270 Emulator Software)

2010-09-01 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Staller, Allan
 
 Forgot Burma Shave - Take it off! Take it all off! G
 
 snip
 How about the commercials?
 
 Ovaltine, N-E-S-T-L-E-S, 20 Mule Team Borax, Brylcreem (A Little Dab'll Do 
 Ya!), Ipana Toothpaste with
 Bucky Beaver (Brusha... Brusha... Brusha. Get the New Ipana - it's dandy for 
 your teeth!), LSMFT, Show
 us your Lark.
 
 George Carlin had a whole routine on commercial slogans. Hilarious!

Lucille Ball and Vita-meta-vegamin.  :-)

-jc-

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Re: Nostalgia (was 3270 Emulator Software)

2010-09-01 Thread Staller, Allan
Correction: I that was Noxzema, not Burma Shave.

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Forgot Burma Shave - Take it off! Take it all off! G

snip
How about the commercials?

Ovaltine, N-E-S-T-L-E-S, 20 Mule Team Borax, Brylcreem (A Little Dab'll Do 
Ya!), Ipana Toothpaste with Bucky Beaver (Brusha... Brusha... Brusha. Get the 
New Ipana - it's dandy for your teeth!), LSMFT, Show us your Lark.

George Carlin had a whole routine on commercial slogans. Hilarious!
/snip

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Re: format of STCK instruction

2010-09-01 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 1 Sep 2010 03:50:18 -0400, Jim Mulder wrote:

  IEATTIME (service routine for TIME and STCKCONV) and
IEATCNVT(service routine for CONVTOD) currently do not process the
high order byte of an ETOD value.

Thanks.  And a while back I went to the trouble of writing a program
to test STCKCONV and determine this, when I needed merely to ask you.

Still left unspecified, not even hinted, about the high order byte
is whether it might be interpreted as signed, supporting extension
to pre-1900.  Y?  Julian calendar?  Proleptic Gregorian?
BCE?  Ugh.

Thanks again,
gil

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Re: Index of IBM announcement letters?

2010-09-01 Thread Charles Mills
Used to be out there in the IBM Pubs pages, a complete history going back to
the dark ages. That's what I thought I had but after I posted I realized it
was just very recent stuff.

Assume you've asked the Google and all that?

Charles

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In 00e101cb4860$46f6f0c0$d4e4d2...@org, on 08/30/2010
   at 09:27 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said:

http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/apilite?infotype=aninfosubt=calastdays=7

ctvwcode=ushitlimit=200appname=USN#

Thanks; it's helpful for the newer stuff. 

I'd still like an index of the announcement letters for DF/DS, DF/EF,
ICR's, MVS/SE, MVS/SP early releases, OS/VS1, OS/VS2, SAM-E,
selectable units and TSO Command package, to say nothing of older
stuff.
 
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Re: STCK instruction format

2010-09-01 Thread john gilmore
Paul Gilmartin's speculations about a possible signed format for STCKE values 
give free rein to his imagination; but, like traditional STCK values, those of 
fully operational STCKE values are all but certain to be unsigned, no least 
because surrendering a bit for a gratuitous sign would halve the capacity of 
the ETOD clock.  
 
I have written code, a lot of it, on this assumption; and I do not expect to be 
disagreeably surprised. 

John Gilmore Ashland, MA 01721-1817 USA

  
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Re: Where doc for STORAGE LINKAGE=SYSTEM

2010-09-01 Thread Charles Mills
Thanks all.

Yes, I meant Authorized Assembler Services. (The only one that has a SET-WTO
volume.)

Wow, is this all confusing. (And yes, I imagine maintaining the source --
two sources, assembler and PL/S, right? -- for GETMAIN is even more
confusing.)

So STORAGE is just GETMAIN in disguise. I knew it provided the same sort of
functionality, but with notes here and there seeming to encourage the use of
STORAGE instead, I thought it was somehow fundamentally better. (Here's my
favorite analysis, from Auth Svces Guide V1R10.0: Whether the program will
run only with MVS/ESAT or with both MVS/ESA and MVS/XAT. If your program
will run with both operating systems, use GETMAIN and FREEMAIN.)

Okay, in the future I will report documentation um, shortcomings to the
e-mail address you gave. They might want to put that address in all of the
manuals. The BookManager form of the Auth Svces SET-WTO manual has only
more-or-less the same snail-mail form I remember from OS/360 manuals. (And
yes, I have copied mhvr...@us.ibm.com on this note.)

Charles

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(FWIW, The reference is apparently to the Authorized Assembler Services 
Reference, not the Assembler Services Reference)

These documentation points are the sorts of errors that I encourage you to 
bring to our attention by the supported mechanisms, not IBM-Main. Of 
course if there's a problem you're trying to solve, not just pointing out 
a deficiency in the books, IBM-Main is a great resource. In this case, I 
will undertake to get this updated.

The answer to your question is simple: Since LINKAGE=SYSTEM is the 
default, the input and output register information are under the sections 
Input Register Information and Output Register Information.
And until the books are updated, if you need information about the Input 
or Output Register Information for any of the other LINKAGEs, see GETMAIN 
/ FREEMAIN. 
STORAGE LINKAGE=SVC is SVC-entry GETMAIN/FREEMAIN
STORAGE LINKAGE=BRANCH is  GETMAIN/FREEMAIN BRANCH=YES
STORAGE  LINKAGE=GLOBALBRANCH is GETMAIN/FREEMAIN BRANCH=(YES,GLOBAL)


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Re: STCK instruction format

2010-09-01 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 1 Sep 2010 13:39:37 +, john gilmore wrote:

surrendering a bit for a gratuitous sign would halve the 
capacity of the ETOD clock.  
 

yeah, it would only be good for 18 thousand years, 
then it would have to be extended again.

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Re: 123 extents and VTOC fmt 3

2010-09-01 Thread Bill Fairchild
The limits of 123 extents and 59 volumes for any one data set are both a result 
of the design of I/O-related system control blocks in the early 1960s for 
release 1 of OS/360, namely the TIOT and the DEB.  VSAM was developed long 
after OS release 1 became GA, and until the advent of VSAM the limit of extents 
on any one volume was 16, which a quick study of the Format 1 and Format 3 
DSCBs would explain.  It seemed obvious to me that the Format 3 DSCB could 
easily point to another Format 3, but the software did not then support that.  
I had never done the math on the DEB and TIOT before to understand the real 
need for these limits, so I am thankful for these recent posts explaining the 
simple math.

VSAM supports 123 extents per data set on any one volume.  I had always assumed 
that this was because of the design of some structure within VSAM's catalog, 
but now I see that is not the case.  I had studied the IOB and DEB control 
blocks thoroughly before, and knew that a full 8-byte seek address (MBBCCHHR) 
in the IOB has a byte called M, which is the extent number within the DEB.  I 
had always assumed that a DEB could have 256 16-byte DASD extents, but this was 
wrong.  The real limit on any resource is always to be found in whichever 
control block or data structure has the most stringent limit on that resource, 
and I had ignored the DEB field indicating how many double words were in the 
DEB, which forces the much smaller limit of 123 DASD extents.

By the way, the limit of 123 extents in any one DEB and 59 units (volumes) in 
any one TIOT entry do not refer to a data set, but rather to a DDname, and a DD 
statement can be concatenated with many different data sets involved.  If you 
have a DEB whose DD statement has already reached the limit of 123 extents 
involving 123 different data sets with only one extent each, and then you 
wonder why you have a problem OPENing a DCB pointing to that DDname after one 
of those 123 data sets adds a second extent, it is because the DEB must now 
hold 124 extents, which is one too many.

Bill Fairchild
Rocket Software

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Alan Starr wondered:

 I have no idea why there is a limit of 59 volumes per dataset.

That's 59 units (that is, UCBs or devices), which, for DASD data
sets translates to 59 volumes. There is no such limitation for
TAPE data sets, of course, since a tape drive can be reused for
subsequent volumes of a multi-volume tape data set; they will be
mounted in the correct/specified/cataloged sequence, naturally.

The 59 device limit has to do with the size of a single entry in
the TIOT. Each device entry is 4 bytes. 4*59=236, so one would
suspect that must be a 1-byte TIOT entry length field somewhere. 
   
Voila! 
   
| 24   (18)1TIOELNGH - LENGTH, IN BYTES,
|  OF THIS ENTRY
|  (INCLUDING ALL DEVICE
|  ENTRIES)

Since the length is 1-origin, and TIOT entries much be word-aligned,
the maximum size DD entry is 256-4=252 bytes. Each DD entry, before
the device entry(ies) contains 16 bytes. Hence, 252-16=236. 236/4=59.

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fopen(*,...)

2010-09-01 Thread Etienne Thijsse
Hi,

I tried something I read in the IBM doc (XL C/C++ Programming Guide):

z/OS XL C/C++ supports opening SYSOUT data sets in two ways:
1 ...
2 Specifying a data set name of * on a call to fopen() or freopen() while 
you are running under z/OS batch or IMS online or batch.

So, I tried fopen(*, w), and I got a file handle, to which I could write. 
So 
far, so good.

But, where is it? I thought this would be equivalent to a JCL statement 
like 
this:
//SYSPRINT   DD  SYSOUT=*

and then fopen-ing DD:SYSPRINT. That gives me a SYSPRINT item when I go 
into SDSF, ST, containing everything i wrote to it. But for this * file, no 
SYSPRINT appears for my job, nor any other name, so apparently it is not 
equivalent.
So, where does it end up?

Thanks,

Etienne

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z196 on Fox News web site

2010-09-01 Thread McKown, John
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/09/01/ibm-unveils-worlds-fastest-microprocessor/

It's even accurate, to the extent that is says much of anything.

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Re: How to determine use of RLSE in dataset allocation

2010-09-01 Thread Lynd, Eugene C.
 I need to determine this for an existing sequential dataset.  I see 
 where use of RLSE is indicated in the JFCB,
 but not in a DSCB.   I must be missing something. 

Thanks to all who responded.  I was having a problem with this dataset,
which 
I must have originally allocated with RLSE:  

DATASET:  TD.SLAP.ACTIVLOGMEMBER ===

 

GENERAL DATA:CURRENT ALLOCATION:

   Volume serial:FSD102  Free: 38.8%Allocated tracks:494

   Device type:  3390-27 32760 cylindersAllocated extents:   3

   Organization: PSSEQ  Secondary extent:750

   Record format:FB Max. dir. blocks:

   Record length:132   X 212

   Block size:   27984   CURRENT UTILIZATION:

   Management class: Y3PB3QNG   Used tracks: 494

   Storage class:STANDARD   Used dir. blocks:

   Data class:   SETDSORG   Used extents:3

   RACF protection:  GENERICNumber of members:

Blocks per track:2

DATE INFORMATION:

   Creation: Thu Aug 26, 2010/238Expiration:
*None
   Last reference:   Wed Sep 01, 2010/244Updated since backup:   NO


DATASET:  TD.SLAP.ACTIVLOGMEMBER ===

 

GENERAL DATA:CURRENT ALLOCATION:

   Volume serial:FSD102  Free: 38.8%Allocated tracks:494

   Device type:  3390-27 32760 cylindersAllocated extents:   3

   Organization: PSSEQ  Secondary extent:750

   Record format:FB Max. dir. blocks:

   Record length:132   X 212

   Block size:   27984   CURRENT UTILIZATION:

   Management class: Y3PB3QNG   Used tracks: 494

   Storage class:STANDARD   Used dir. blocks:

   Data class:   SETDSORG   Used extents:3

   RACF protection:  GENERICNumber of members:

Blocks per track:2

DATE INFORMATION:

   Creation: Thu Aug 26, 2010/238Expiration:
*None
   Last reference:   Wed Sep 01, 2010/244Updated since backup:   NO


It is updated with MOD every night, but periodically runs out of space 
- despite a generous secondary allocation.  When I rebuild it I 
Recreate it with LIKE, and didn't notice what I still only assume - that

I originally allocated it with RLSE.  The output above is from a local
Tool of mine. I thought it would be nice to show if the dataset was
Subject to RLSE.  (I assume I can solve the nightly problem by
Reallocating without RLSE.)  

Based on John McKown's comment, I ran SHOWZOS and checked the 
Management class (Y3PB3QNG).  It has FLAG1 and FLAG2 vales of 
60 and FC, whatever that means. 

Gene Lynd  

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Re: fopen(*,...)

2010-09-01 Thread Kirk Wolf
I haven't tried this form of fopen(), but I often use BPXWDYN or dynalloc()
from C to dynamically allocate a SYSOUT dataset to a DD, and then
fopen(//DD:MYDD).

Kirk Wolf
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http://dovetail.com

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Etienne Thijsse e.thij...@chello.nl wrote:

 Hi,

 I tried something I read in the IBM doc (XL C/C++ Programming Guide):

z/OS XL C/C++ supports opening SYSOUT data sets in two ways:
1 ...
2 Specifying a data set name of * on a call to fopen() or freopen()
 while
 you are running under z/OS batch or IMS online or batch.

 So, I tried fopen(*, w), and I got a file handle, to which I could
 write. So
 far, so good.

 But, where is it? I thought this would be equivalent to a JCL statement
 like
 this:
 //SYSPRINT   DD  SYSOUT=*

 and then fopen-ing DD:SYSPRINT. That gives me a SYSPRINT item when I go
 into SDSF, ST, containing everything i wrote to it. But for this * file,
 no
 SYSPRINT appears for my job, nor any other name, so apparently it is not
 equivalent.
 So, where does it end up?

 Thanks,

 Etienne

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mainframe batch consumer of web service

2010-09-01 Thread Frank Swarbrick
Anyone out there have mainframe batch programs that consume distributed web 
services?  What are you using?  Java?  EXCI and CICS web service client?  
Vendor product?  Something else?

Thanks,
Frank

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Re: fopen(*,...)

2010-09-01 Thread Etienne Thijsse
Thanks Kirk,

I don't have a problem opening SYSOUT datasets, its just that I don't 
understand what it is that fopen(*..) is actually opening, and I'd like to 
understand it :-).

Thanks,

Etienne


On Wed, 1 Sep 2010 10:07:55 -0500, Kirk Wolf k...@dovetail.com wrote:

I haven't tried this form of fopen(), but I often use BPXWDYN or dynalloc()
from C to dynamically allocate a SYSOUT dataset to a DD, and then
fopen(//DD:MYDD).

Kirk Wolf
Dovetailed Technologies
http://dovetail.com

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Etienne Thijsse e.thij...@chello.nl 
wrote:

 Hi,

 I tried something I read in the IBM doc (XL C/C++ Programming Guide):

z/OS XL C/C++ supports opening SYSOUT data sets in two ways:
1 ...
2 Specifying a data set name of * on a call to fopen() or freopen()
 while
 you are running under z/OS batch or IMS online or batch.

 So, I tried fopen(*, w), and I got a file handle, to which I could
 write. So
 far, so good.

 But, where is it? I thought this would be equivalent to a JCL statement
 like
 this:
 //SYSPRINT   DD  SYSOUT=*

 and then fopen-ing DD:SYSPRINT. That gives me a SYSPRINT item when I 
go
 into SDSF, ST, containing everything i wrote to it. But for this * file,
 no
 SYSPRINT appears for my job, nor any other name, so apparently it is not
 equivalent.
 So, where does it end up?

 Thanks,

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Re: mainframe batch consumer of web service

2010-09-01 Thread Etienne Thijsse
Frank,

I am currently working on such a product: Uniface 9.
When finished, it will be able to call out to web services, and expose web 
services to the world.

But its not finished yet...

Etienne

On Wed, 1 Sep 2010 09:12:41 -0600, Frank Swarbrick 
frank.swarbr...@efirstbank.com wrote:

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web services?  What are you using?  Java?  EXCI and CICS web service 
client?  Vendor product?  Something else?

Thanks,
Frank

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Re: mainframe batch consumer of web service

2010-09-01 Thread Chuck Arney
Frank, our z/Ware 2.0 product can be used to do this with a simple
program call to our batch API.  The batch programmer does not need to
know anything about Web Services, XML or even TCP/IP.  CICS is also
supported.

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Re: STCK instruction format

2010-09-01 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 1 Sep 2010 13:39:37 +, john gilmore wrote:

Paul Gilmartin's speculations about a possible signed format for STCKE values 
give free rein to his imagination; but, like traditional STCK values, those of 
fully operational STCKE values are all but certain to be unsigned, no least 
because surrendering a bit for a gratuitous sign would halve the capacity of 
the ETOD clock.  
 
I have written code, a lot of it, on this assumption; and I do not expect to 
be disagreeably surprised. 

So, for your purposes the ability to deal with dates beyond 20,000 C.E.
is more valuable than the ability do deal with dates prior to 1900 C.E.?

OK.

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Re: fopen(*,...)

2010-09-01 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 1 Sep 2010 10:16:12 -0500, Etienne Thijsse wrote:

I don't have a problem opening SYSOUT datasets, its just that I don't
understand what it is that fopen(*..) is actually opening, and I'd like to
understand it :-).

In POSIX mode, I'd expect it to open (create) a UNIX file named * in
the current working directory.

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Re: format of STCK instruction

2010-09-01 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 1 Sep 2010 00:36:14 +, john gilmore wrote:

Others have dealt with the substance of Paul Gilmartin's post.  I will limit 
myself to noting that its content is both preposterous  and contrary to much 
IBM documentation.

Preposterous?  Because I agree with a passage in the PoOp and with
empirical observation of the behavior of STCKCONV, but not with your
conjecture?  Hardly.

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Re: z196 on Fox News web site

2010-09-01 Thread zMan
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:02 AM, McKown, John
john.mck...@healthmarkets.com wrote:
 http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/09/01/ibm-unveils-worlds-fastest-microprocessor/

 It's even accurate, to the extent that is says much of anything.

Sort of:
IBM plans to ship the processors in a new ultrahigh-end workstation,
called zEnterprise 196...

That's a hell of a workstation! But I guess they need to use language
their readers will understand. Insert ObFoxNews joke here
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Re: Where doc for STORAGE LINKAGE=SYSTEM

2010-09-01 Thread Chris Craddock
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote:

 Wow, is this all confusing. (And yes, I imagine maintaining the source --
 two sources, assembler and PL/S, right? -- for GETMAIN is even more
 confusing.)

 So STORAGE is just GETMAIN in disguise. I knew it provided the same sort of
 functionality, but with notes here and there seeming to encourage the use
 of
 STORAGE instead, I thought it was somehow fundamentally better.




well kind of better. It is more accurate to say that STORAGE (the PC
version) and GETMAIN (the various SVC and branch-entry versions) end up
going to the same place, albeit with different front-end logic along the
way. STORAGE is (IMO) better than GETMAIN because it is easier to use and
more tolerant of the caller's environmental conditions. But even though the
stacking PC is much faster than the SVC FLISH/SLIH, STORAGE is actually
slightly slower than GETMAIN because the STORAGE PC front-end does a lot
more validation precisely because it IS more tolerant. If you're just
writing plain old problem state code there's no advantage unless you are
also running in AR mode (supported by STORAGE, but not by any of the forms
of GETMAIN) However, if you're writing code that runs in the dark and scary
places then STORAGE is a way better deal.


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Re: isolating sensitive data in coupling facility

2010-09-01 Thread Scott Fagen
On Wed, 1 Sep 2010 06:32:33 -0500, Patrick Kappeler wrote:

I just wanted to give some context information related to my question.
Hence just knowing the answer to the question can anybody confirm that a
structure will **never** be allocated in a CF not in the preference list (be it
for initial allocation or for rebuilod/duplexing) ? would make us happy ..for
the time being.

You can be happy for the time being:

From: 
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/v1r9/topic/com.ibm.zos.r9.ieaf100/underp.htm#underp

Understanding Preference and Exclusion Lists

z/OS V1R9.0 MVS Setting Up a Sysplex
SA22-7625-14

The coupling facility in which a structure is to be allocated is influenced
by preference and exclusion lists that are specified in the CFRM policy for
each structure. Each list can have up to eight entries.

* The preference list is an ordered list of coupling facility names in
which the structure can be allocated.
* The exclusion list is an unordered list of structure names with which
the structure being defined should not share a coupling facility.

The preference list is used to designate the location of coupling facility
structures for performance and capacity considerations. The system will
not allocate a structure in a coupling facility that is not listed in its
preference list.

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Re: z196 on Fox News web site

2010-09-01 Thread McKown, John
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  It's even accurate, to the extent that is says much of anything.
 
 Sort of:
 IBM plans to ship the processors in a new ultrahigh-end workstation,
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 That's a hell of a workstation! But I guess they need to use language
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Re: z196 on Fox News web site

2010-09-01 Thread Kelman, Tom
Personally I loved the way the article talks about silicon and germanium
as though they are brand new, just discovered materials.  I think I
learned about silicon (atomic number 14) and germanium (atomic number
32) when I was in high school, and that's a long time ago.

Tom Kelman
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  It's even accurate, to the extent that is says much of anything.
 
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Re: fopen(*,...)

2010-09-01 Thread Kirk Wolf
I agree with Gil:  fopen(*) should create a Posix file.

But if you read the doc, carefully, it says:  Specifying a data set name of
* on a call to fopen() or freopen() while you are
running under z/OS batch or IMS online or batch.(and not Specify a
file path name of * ).

So, it could be that this it what is intended:

fopen(//*, ...)

I'm curious as to why it only says z/OS Batch etc.   You can use sysout
datasets under TSO, USS shell, etc too.  Works fine if you dynamically
allocate your own DD.  Maybe the C library fopen() is unnecessarily picky.

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 On Wed, 1 Sep 2010 10:16:12 -0500, Etienne Thijsse wrote:
 
 I don't have a problem opening SYSOUT datasets, its just that I don't
 understand what it is that fopen(*..) is actually opening, and I'd like
 to
 understand it :-).
 
 In POSIX mode, I'd expect it to open (create) a UNIX file named * in
 the current working directory.

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Help with IEWFETCH Error RC0F Reason 40

2010-09-01 Thread Lizette Koehler
I am not sure where to go with this abend.  So if you could give me some 
pointers, that would be great.

The errors are

IEW4009I FETCH FAILED FOR MODULE MYLOAD01 FROM DDNAME STEPLIB  BECAUSE OF AN 
I/O ERROR. 
IEW4005I FETCH FOR MODULE MYLOAD1 FROM DDNAME STEPLIB  FAILED BECAUSE IEWFETCH 
ISSUED RC 0F AND REASON 40  
CSV031I LIBRARY ACCESS FAILED FOR MODULE MYLOAD1, RETURN CODE 24, REASON CODE 
26080021, DDNAME STEPLIB 

According to the return code/reason code, it is an I/O error on the PDS in the 
STEPLIB

I looked at the library that holds this module and it is good.  I browsed the 
library and module under ISPF and not I/O error messages occurred.  I also 
browsed several other members to ensure I did not miss an error.

I have not seen a compress or Endevor job run that updated or compressed this 
file.

So, I need some next steps.  I think if I have the STC cycled it should be 
okay.  But at this time we have not cycled.

Am I going in the right direction?

Thanks very much

Lizette

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Re: where doc for STORAGE LINKAGE=SYSTEM

2010-09-01 Thread john gilmore
Chris Craddock wrote:
 
begin snippet 
If you're just writing plain old problem state code there's no advantage unless 
you are also running in AR mode (supported by STORAGE, but not by any of the 
forms of GETMAIN) However, if you're writing code that runs in the dark and 
scary places then STORAGE is a way better deal.
/end snippet
 
This is literally correct, but my own advice would be to avoid GETMAIN and 
FREEMAIN entirely in new code and further to root it out of old code when it is 
realistically feasible to do so, when that code needs to be changed anyway.
 
G  F have been functionally stabilized; support for new facilities is being 
provided exclusively via STORAGE.  Code that uses G  F will not be at all easy 
to modify to use such new facilities---AR MODE is only one such---as needs for 
them arise. 

There is another, essentially pedagogic argument for converting to STORAGE.  
Its syntax is cleaner and neater.  There are fewer culs de sac.  Those of us 
who have used G  F for many years have, I think, been desensitized to their 
baroque complexities; we know about them and we live with them; but I can see 
no good reason to inflict such obsolescent lore on others.  
 
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Re: Help with IEWFETCH Error RC0F Reason 40

2010-09-01 Thread David Andrews
On Wed, 2010-09-01 at 12:47 -0400, Lizette Koehler wrote:
 IEW4009I FETCH FAILED FOR MODULE MYLOAD01 FROM DDNAME STEPLIB  BECAUSE
 OF AN I/O ERROR.

Just a SWAG, but when does STEPLIB get opened?  Once by the initiator,
or at every LOAD?  If the former then perhaps your steplib went into
extents after the open?

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Re: z196 on Fox News web site

2010-09-01 Thread zMan
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Kelman, Tom
thomas.kel...@commercebank.com wrote:
 Personally I loved the way the article talks about silicon and germanium
 as though they are brand new, just discovered materials.  I think I
 learned about silicon (atomic number 14) and germanium (atomic number
 32) when I was in high school, and that's a long time ago.

Good catch. I'd missed that one too! And they're going to use use
pulses of light. That's getting your money's worth.

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Re: Help with IEWFETCH Error RC0F Reason 40

2010-09-01 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 9/1/2010 11:50:08 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
stars...@mindspring.com writes:

Am I going in the right direction?



If you've got PDS command=== ver  m:n
for all PDS's in STEPLIB  concatenation.



If that works, might need LISTVTOCs on the packs to see if  we've got 
overlapping extents. Something clobbered something, need to see  how big the 
crater is

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Re: Help with IEWFETCH Error RC0F Reason 40

2010-09-01 Thread Mark Jacobs

On 09/01/10 12:47, Lizette Koehler wrote:

I am not sure where to go with this abend.  So if you could give me some 
pointers, that would be great.

The errors are

IEW4009I FETCH FAILED FOR MODULE MYLOAD01 FROM DDNAME STEPLIB  BECAUSE OF AN 
I/O ERROR.
IEW4005I FETCH FOR MODULE MYLOAD1 FROM DDNAME STEPLIB  FAILED BECAUSE IEWFETCH 
ISSUED RC 0F AND REASON 40
CSV031I LIBRARY ACCESS FAILED FOR MODULE MYLOAD1, RETURN CODE 24, REASON CODE 
26080021, DDNAME STEPLIB

According to the return code/reason code, it is an I/O error on the PDS in the 
STEPLIB

I looked at the library that holds this module and it is good.  I browsed the 
library and module under ISPF and not I/O error messages occurred.  I also 
browsed several other members to ensure I did not miss an error.

I have not seen a compress or Endevor job run that updated or compressed this 
file.

So, I need some next steps.  I think if I have the STC cycled it should be 
okay.  But at this time we have not cycled.

Am I going in the right direction?

Thanks very much

Lizette

   


Did you add the failing member to the dataset and did it go into 
additional extents?


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Re: Help with IEWFETCH Error RC0F Reason 40

2010-09-01 Thread Richard Peurifoy

On 9/1/2010 11:51 AM, Lizette Koehler wrote:

I am not sure where to go with this abend.  So if you could give me some 
pointers, that would be great.

The errors are

IEW4009I FETCH FAILED FOR MODULE MYLOAD01 FROM DDNAME STEPLIB  BECAUSE OF AN 
I/O ERROR.
IEW4005I FETCH FOR MODULE MYLOAD1 FROM DDNAME STEPLIB  FAILED BECAUSE IEWFETCH 
ISSUED RC 0F AND REASON 40
CSV031I LIBRARY ACCESS FAILED FOR MODULE MYLOAD1, RETURN CODE 24, REASON CODE 
26080021, DDNAME STEPLIB

According to the return code/reason code, it is an I/O error on the PDS in the 
STEPLIB

I looked at the library that holds this module and it is good.  I browsed the 
library and module under ISPF and not I/O error messages occurred.  I also 
browsed several other members to ensure I did not miss an error.

I have not seen a compress or Endevor job run that updated or compressed this 
file.

So, I need some next steps.  I think if I have the STC cycled it should be 
okay.  But at this time we have not cycled.

Am I going in the right direction?


Can you cause the STC to close and re-open the dataset?

If not, try loading the module from a batch job to see
if it is ok?

If that works, I would think recycling the STC should fix it.

Normally I would suspect an extent was taken by some other job
while the STC had it open, or if the STC keeps track of TTR's
that it was compressed or updated. Since you don't think it has
been compressed or updated maybe there was some overlay in the STC
that has corrupted something . Without knowing more about what
the STC does, it's hard to tell.

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Re: Help with IEWFETCH Error RC0F Reason 40

2010-09-01 Thread Richard Peurifoy

Sent this to the newsgroup instead of the list the first
time, sorry if you get it twice.



On 9/1/2010 12:31 PM, Richard Peurifoy wrote:



Can you cause the STC to close and re-open the dataset?



Obviously not thinking clearly when I wrote this as you said it
was a STEPLIB.

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Re: Help with IEWFETCH Error RC0F Reason 40 (Resoloved!)

2010-09-01 Thread Lizette Koehler
It took awhile but we found the culprit.  One of my coworkers ran a compress 
against a production file during prime time.

That process is being reviewed and appropriate changes will go into place.

Thanks everyone who helped me.  I thought I knew, I just wasn't sure I knew.  
But I knew.  ;-)

Lizette





On 9/1/2010 11:51 AM, Lizette Koehler wrote:
 I am not sure where to go with this abend.  So if you could give me some 
 pointers, that would be great.

 The errors are

 IEW4009I FETCH FAILED FOR MODULE MYLOAD01 FROM DDNAME STEPLIB  BECAUSE OF AN 
 I/O ERROR.
 IEW4005I FETCH FOR MODULE MYLOAD1 FROM DDNAME STEPLIB  FAILED BECAUSE 
 IEWFETCH ISSUED RC 0F AND REASON 40
 CSV031I LIBRARY ACCESS FAILED FOR MODULE MYLOAD1, RETURN CODE 24, REASON 
 CODE 26080021, DDNAME STEPLIB

 According to the return code/reason code, it is an I/O error on the PDS in 
 the STEPLIB

 I looked at the library that holds this module and it is good.  I browsed 
 the library and module under ISPF and not I/O error messages occurred.  I 
 also browsed several other members to ensure I did not miss an error.

 I have not seen a compress or Endevor job run that updated or compressed 
 this file.

 So, I need some next steps.  I think if I have the STC cycled it should be 
 okay.  But at this time we have not cycled.

 Am I going in the right direction?

Can you cause the STC to close and re-open the dataset?

If not, try loading the module from a batch job to see
if it is ok?


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Virginia DOT outage

2010-09-01 Thread Avram Friedman
As many of you may know the State of Virginia has been dealing with a major 
computer system outage impacting 24 departments.
The outage has extended over 7 business days with no estimated time for 
repair.
Most of the press that I have seen discusses driver license renewals being 
down to the extent that police are not sighting people who are stopped and 
found to have recently expired licenses.

Some of the stories suggest the problem is in a DASD server and memory 
cards need to be replaced and possibly data recovered.

Most US state's DOT are large IMS and or DB2 shops.

Any one have more details?
There must be a database lesson to be learned here.
Or a Mainframe vs smaller server lesson.

Here is a link to a recent article
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
dyn/content/article/2010/08/31/AR2010083105968.html 

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Re: How to determine use of RLSE in dataset allocation

2010-09-01 Thread Schwarz, Barry A
Does the DD statement that specifies MOD also specify RLSE?  When the dataset 
runs out of space, is it because of 16 extents or no more usable room on the 
pack?  What is the secondary extent type (blocks, tracks, cylinders, other)?  
Does your shop run a space recovery utility periodically to trim back 
datasets that are over-allocated and under-consumed?

Once again, RLSE is an attribute of the current allocation, not of the dataset 
itself.

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snip

GENERAL DATA:CURRENT ALLOCATION:
   Volume serial:FSD102  Free: 38.8%Allocated tracks:494
   Device type:  3390-27 32760 cylindersAllocated extents:   3
   Organization: PSSEQ  Secondary extent:750
   Record format:FB Max. dir. blocks:
   Record length:132   X 212
   Block size:   27984   CURRENT UTILIZATION:
   Management class: Y3PB3QNG   Used tracks: 494
   Storage class:STANDARD   Used dir. blocks:
   Data class:   SETDSORG   Used extents:3
   RACF protection:  GENERICNumber of members:
Blocks per track:2

It is updated with MOD every night, but periodically runs out of space
- despite a generous secondary allocation.  When I rebuild it I
Recreate it with LIKE, and didn't notice what I still only assume - that

I originally allocated it with RLSE.  The output above is from a local
Tool of mine. I thought it would be nice to show if the dataset was
Subject to RLSE.  (I assume I can solve the nightly problem by
Reallocating without RLSE.)

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Re: isolating sensitive data in coupling facility

2010-09-01 Thread R.S.

W dniu 2010-09-01 13:32, Patrick Kappeler pisze:

You are absolutely Right Scott: if we have to go this way then we'll have also
to introduce segregation among z/OS images.
Now, I should maybe point out that we are just now in the process of
anticipating  what kind of restrictions we would have to deal with while putting
together a project, for a client institution, still at an early foggy stage. 
Actually,
I just wanted to give some context information related to my question.
Hence just knowing the answer to the question can anybody confirm that a
structure will **never** be allocated in a CF not in the preference list (be it
for initial allocation or for rebuilod/duplexing) ? would make us happy ..for
the time being.


I'm not sure, however I think that initial allocation is possible only 
on preflisted CF, and have no idea about rebuild.


However I want to draw your attention to fact that only defined 
coupling facilities can be used in sysplex. So if one is able to connect 
CF to the sysplex then he's able to administer the system, i.e. change 
preflist, initiate structure rebuild, etc. No foreign CF can be 
connected to the sysplex, even if physically connected via coupling links.

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Re: mainframe batch consumer of web service

2010-09-01 Thread Rozeboom, Kay [DAS]
Web Services for IDMS from Formula Opensoft.  The request goes through IDMS, 
which is a pre-requisite.


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Anyone out there have mainframe batch programs that consume distributed web 
services?  What are you using?  Java?  EXCI and CICS web service client?  
Vendor product?  Something else?

Thanks,
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Re: isolating sensitive data in coupling facility

2010-09-01 Thread Norman Hollander on DesertWiz
Duplexing does allocate the structure in at least 2 CFs that you specify
(still governed by the CFRM).
You will need additional Links among the physical CFs to implement
Duplexing.  Be aware: this is quite
a bit of overhead for Duplexing.

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On Wed, 1 Sep 2010 06:32:33 -0500, Patrick Kappeler wrote:

I just wanted to give some context information related to my question.
Hence just knowing the answer to the question can anybody confirm that 
a structure will **never** be allocated in a CF not in the preference 
list (be it for initial allocation or for rebuilod/duplexing) ? would 
make us happy ..for the time being.

You can be happy for the time being:

From: 
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/v1r9/topic/com.ibm.zos.r9.ieaf1
00/underp.htm#underp

Understanding Preference and Exclusion Lists

z/OS V1R9.0 MVS Setting Up a Sysplex
SA22-7625-14

The coupling facility in which a structure is to be allocated is influenced
by preference and exclusion lists that are specified in the CFRM policy for
each structure. Each list can have up to eight entries.

* The preference list is an ordered list of coupling facility names in
which the structure can be allocated.
* The exclusion list is an unordered list of structure names with which
the structure being defined should not share a coupling facility.

The preference list is used to designate the location of coupling facility
structures for performance and capacity considerations. The system will
not allocate a structure in a coupling facility that is not listed in its
preference list.

Scott Fagen
Chief Architect
CA Mainframe Business

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Re: mainframe batch consumer of web service

2010-09-01 Thread Kirk Wolf
You can do it in batch with Java and JZOS (and free).
There is an example in the JZOS Cookbook which uses the Apache Axis2
framework.

The JZOS Cookbook can be downloaded from the JZOS alphaWorks site:
http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/zosjavabatchtk

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 services?  What are you using?  Java?  EXCI and CICS web service client?
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Re: Help with IEWFETCH Error RC0F Reason 40

2010-09-01 Thread John Eells

Lizette Koehler wrote:

I am not sure where to go with this abend.  So if you could give me some 
pointers, that would be great.

The errors are

IEW4009I FETCH FAILED FOR MODULE MYLOAD01 FROM DDNAME STEPLIB  BECAUSE OF AN 
I/O ERROR.
IEW4005I FETCH FOR MODULE MYLOAD1 FROM DDNAME STEPLIB  FAILED BECAUSE IEWFETCH 
ISSUED RC 0F AND REASON 40
CSV031I LIBRARY ACCESS FAILED FOR MODULE MYLOAD1, RETURN CODE 24, REASON CODE 
26080021, DDNAME STEPLIB

According to the return code/reason code, it is an I/O error on the PDS in the 
STEPLIB

I looked at the library that holds this module and it is good.  I browsed the 
library and module under ISPF and not I/O error messages occurred.  I also 
browsed several other members to ensure I did not miss an error.

I have not seen a compress or Endevor job run that updated or compressed this 
file.

So, I need some next steps.  I think if I have the STC cycled it should be 
okay.  But at this time we have not cycled.

Am I going in the right direction?

Thanks very much

Lizette

snip

In my experience, an Abend106-F RC40 happens because the DEB being used 
to access the data set does not describe the extent in which the member 
resides.  That usually happens when the data set was extended to add the 
member for which fetch failed.  If the added member is no larger than 
the original member plus the free space that was available in the 
previously-last extent before the replacement member was put into the 
data set*, a compress will bring all the members back into the original 
number of extents (or a smaller number), and fix things up without 
having to get the DEB rebuilt.  Don't rush into this without 
thought--see below.


Of course, if other members were added, not just the one for which the 
fetch failed, the probability of a compress helping to solve the problem 
declines.


Also, note that other address spaces using the same data set might get 
be upset by the compress, particulary while it's going on, and even more 
particularly if they or LLA cached the directory unless and until the 
caches can be refreshed.  (For link list data sets, the library must be 
refreshed in LLA.)  So unless you understand what else might be using 
the data set and what secondary effects could occur, the safest course 
of action is to get all users to build a new DEB by reopening the data 
set (which might well require shutting them all down and restarting 
them).  That could even require an IPL if the data set involved is a 
link list data set used by one or more persistent address spaces.


Last, but not least, if the cause of your problem is not that the DEB 
used by Fetch is missing the description for a new extent, you should 
probably open a PMR.


HTH,

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Re: H/w vs S/W Encryption?

2010-09-01 Thread Rob Schramm
The new protected key will perform a whole lot better than the previous 
secure key.  But I think you'll find the outboard is still faster and is 
less impact in general.  It is just a tad (I think it is 1%.. anyone?) 
slower in performance for the tape encryption on the IBM tape drives than 
writing tapes without encryption.

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Re: 3270 Emulator Software

2010-09-01 Thread Dale Miller

Actually, this is a reflection on Lynn Wheeler's contribution of 8/30.

I was hired by a contracting firm to work in the IMS support center at  
the offsite facility referred to by Lynn. The staff at that time had  
327x terminals. I was lucky enough to be part of a test program which  
put a PC with 3270 emulation on my desk and that of an IBM regular in  
the center. Worked well for me, until about a month later, I couldn't  
boot my PC. After about 6 hours the support staff notified me (as I  
recall this) that an IBM manager somewhere heard that an outside  
contractor had access to a PC with emulation. He was afraid that I  
could download IMS source code to a diskette and give it to a  
competitor. Apparently, my PC had been disabled internally (by  
changing the password). I was out of luck until they decided what to  
do about it. When I came in the next morning, my diskette drive had a  
key lock over the front, but I could then boot up my PC and do my job.  
Under the 3-monkey philosophy, I decided to keep my mouth shut, but  
the smartass in me wanted to point out that I had the authority to  
create a tape on the machine where the source code resided, and mail  
it to a customer. This facility was there to enable us to send  
emergency fixes to customers. If I wanted to give the source code to a  
competitor, that mechanism would have been an infinitely better way  
than smuggling it out in 700k chunks.


The offsite facility was just a few blocks from the infamous  
semiconductor facility (previously closed) which had contaminated the  
soil and groundwater in the area.
While I was in the support center, they moved the IMS support center  
back to STL, which was a very comfortable facility to work in (and a  
relaxing 10-minute drive from my house, except when rains and  
mudslides closed the road, and we had to drive in the back way through  
the Almaden Research Center).


The downside issues of STL were the dangers of finding rattlesnakes  
under your car, the huge gashes in the beautiful lawns made by wild  
boars, and the high winds/eucalyptus tree situation. During one storm,  
my car was dealt nasty front-end, windshield and roof damage by a  
large eucalyptus branch, necessitating a tow-truck call and bumming a  
ride home. Toward the end of my tour, management implemented a power- 
control system which was supposed to turn off the lights in an office  
if no one was in it. It was aggravating to have to throw my hands up  
every few minutes to convince the sensors that I was indeed in the  
room. In spite of those issues, it was a good place to work.


I did eventually leave to go back to my real calling - systems  
programming.


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Re: Virginia DOT outage

2010-09-01 Thread Hal Merritt
From Info Week: 

VITA said on Friday that it had successfully repaired  the EMC DMX-3 storage 
area network (SAN) responsible for the outage. Thirteen percent of the state's 
file servers failed as a result of the SAN going down. 

Also Info Week:

 The outage happened when an EMC storage area network (SAN) and its redundancy 
failed on Wednesday afternoon, according to the Virginia Information 
Technologies Agency (VITA). When this occurred, 228 servers attached to the 
network -- which host shared applications and software used statewide -- could 
not access data. 

From http://www2.wsls.com/news/2010/sep/01/7/vita01-ar-482084/

 ...described as minimal data losses from the blackout, which was caused by 
the failure of two circuit boards that control more than 400 servers.

From some wise guy:

Tinker toys come tumbling down and go boom. For a week. 

From the same wise guy: 

It looks like the large DB2/IMS applications were 'modernized' under a 
contract long over schedule and way over budget.  
 
 


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Subject: Virginia DOT outage

As many of you may know the State of Virginia has been dealing with a major 
computer system outage impacting 24 departments.
The outage has extended over 7 business days with no estimated time for 
repair.
Most of the press that I have seen discusses driver license renewals being 
down to the extent that police are not sighting people who are stopped and 
found to have recently expired licenses.

Some of the stories suggest the problem is in a DASD server and memory 
cards need to be replaced and possibly data recovered.

Most US state's DOT are large IMS and or DB2 shops.

Any one have more details?
There must be a database lesson to be learned here.
Or a Mainframe vs smaller server lesson.

Here is a link to a recent article
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
dyn/content/article/2010/08/31/AR2010083105968.html 

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Re: Virginia DOT outage

2010-09-01 Thread Ken Porowski
http://www.vita.virginia.gov/about/default.aspx?id=12596

Nice timeline and recovery status

Appears to have been a major failure of an EMC DMX-3 frame 

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Subject: [IBM-MAIN] Virginia DOT outage

As many of you may know the State of Virginia has been dealing with a
major computer system outage impacting 24 departments.
The outage has extended over 7 business days with no estimated time for
repair.
Most of the press that I have seen discusses driver license renewals
being down to the extent that police are not sighting people who are
stopped and found to have recently expired licenses.

Some of the stories suggest the problem is in a DASD server and memory
cards need to be replaced and possibly data recovered.

Most US state's DOT are large IMS and or DB2 shops.

Any one have more details?
There must be a database lesson to be learned here.
Or a Mainframe vs smaller server lesson.

Here is a link to a recent article
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
dyn/content/article/2010/08/31/AR2010083105968.html 

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Virginia DOT outage

2010-09-01 Thread Gerhard Adam
Regardless of the cause, doesn't this say more about the disaster recovery
scenario than anything else?

 

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Re: Virginia DOT outage

2010-09-01 Thread Anton Britz
 Did you see the quote at the bottom of their Web page ( Looks like a 
typical Fox channel comment ) ?


Here it is (Cut and pasted into this email ) :

Note: Earlier reports that 27 agencies were impacted were incorrect. The 
correct number is 26. The 27th system impacted was Northrop Grumman.


Anton

On 9/1/2010 1:26 PM, Ken Porowski wrote:

http://www.vita.virginia.gov/about/default.aspx?id=12596

Nice timeline and recovery status

Appears to have been a major failure of an EMC DMX-3 frame



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Re: Help with IEWFETCH Error RC0F Reason 40 (Resoloved!)

2010-09-01 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 1 Sep 2010 14:02:23 -0400, Lizette Koehler wrote:

It took awhile but we found the culprit.  One of my coworkers ran a compress 
against a production file during prime time.

That process is being reviewed and appropriate changes will go into place.

Thanks everyone who helped me.  I thought I knew, I just wasn't sure I knew.  
But I knew.  ;-)

Would PDSE prevent that problem, even while introducing several others?

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Security (was: 3270 ... )

2010-09-01 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:17:04 -0700, Dale Miller wrote:

the smartass in me wanted to point out that I had the authority to
create a tape on the machine where the source code resided, and mail
it to a customer. This facility was there to enable us to send
emergency fixes to customers. If I wanted to give the source code to a
competitor, that mechanism would have been an infinitely better way
than smuggling it out in 700k chunks.

There's a fallacy here in the assumption that the existence
of a security exposure justifies tolerating the creation
of others.

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Re: mainframe batch consumer of web service

2010-09-01 Thread Kirk Wolf
Frank,

You can consume web services in Java batch job with JZOS (free / included in
the IBM Java SDK), but you would probably want a web services client
implementation in the language of the rest of your batch application.

There is an example in the JZOS Cookbook which uses the Apache Axis2
framework.

The JZOS Cookbook can be downloaded from the JZOS alphaWorks site:
http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/zosjavabatchtk

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On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Frank Swarbrick 
frank.swarbr...@efirstbank.com wrote:

 Anyone out there have mainframe batch programs that consume distributed web
 services?  What are you using?  Java?  EXCI and CICS web service client?
  Vendor product?  Something else?

 Thanks,
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Re: Enterprise Cobol

2010-09-01 Thread Schumacher, Otto
Guy, What was to LE ptf that was not available and what was the symptom of your 
problem?


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Thanks for all the replies - I'll pass them along to our Cobol support.

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Jousma, David david.jou...@53.com wrote:

 Also, something to consider.   I wouldn't roll EC 4.2 with your
 serverpack rollout in a multisystem environment.   IIRC, the requisite
 LE PTF's that have to be on the downleveled systems weren't obvious(like
 HOLD ACTION).   I had EC4.2 in DEV about 6 months ago for testing, and a
 program got compiled in DEV and run on PROD which was downleveled, and
 it would not run.  Had to run 4.1 for another maintenance cycle to get
 the LE ptf's rolled out first.

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  We are running Enterprise Cobol 3.4.1.   z/OS 1.12 which we will be
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  soon can include EC 4.2.
 
  How can one find out the IBM support expiration date for EC 3.4.1?
 
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Re: Virginia DOT outage

2010-09-01 Thread Dirk Johann
What we can learn here is to be more careful when using modern storage
systems. They are more a computer system than storage today. And it is no
matter if you have a mainframe or a Nintendo server. Both we need data to
work.

So if you set up your DB2 or IMS, be careful to spread logs over different
physical (!) storage systems. This might be hard to find out, but can help
to avoid outages.

Jm2C.

/Dirk


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 Regardless of the cause, doesn't this say more about the disaster recovery
 scenario than anything else?



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Re: 3270 Emulator Software

2010-09-01 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
dalelmil...@comcast.net (Dale Miller) writes:
 Actually, this is a reflection on Lynn Wheeler's contribution of 8/30.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010m.html#80 3270 Emulator Software

in that period ... the executive responsible for IMS had left and joined
a large financial institution in the area ... and for some time was out
hiring IMS developers ... eventually having a larger IMS development
group than STL. Also, email reference (about Jim leaving for Tandem and
palming off database consulting with IMS group to me), makes mention of
foreign entities having IMS competitive product. In any case, STL
management was quite sensitive to issue of competitive IMS development
activity.

the IMS FE service group in Boulder area ... was faced with similar
situation ... being moved to bldg on the other side of the highway
... and similar HYPERChannel (channel extender) implementation was
deployed for them.

In the STL case, there was T3 digital radio (microwave), went to
repeater tower on the hill above STL, to dish on top of bldg. 12 (on
main plant site) and then to dish on roof of off-site bldg.  where the
relocated IMS group were sent. After 85 was built (elevated section
cutting the corner of the main plant site), radar detectors were
triggered when autos drove thru the path of the signal (between tower on
the hill and roof of bldg. 12).

In the boulder case, they were moved to bldg across highway from where
the datacenter was located. Infrared T1 modems (sort of higher powered
version of consumer remote controls) were placed on the roofs of the two
bldgs to carry the HYPERChannel signal. There was some concern that
there would be rain-fade resulting in transmission interruption during
severe weather. However, during one of the worst storms ... white-out
snow storm when people couldn't get into work, the error monitoring
recorded a slight increase in bit-error rate.

However, there was early transmission interruption that would occur in
the middle of the afternoon. Turns out that as the sun crossed the sky,
it warmed different sides of the bldgs, which resulted in causing the
bldgs to slightly lean in different directions. This slight change in
bldg. angle was enough to throw-off the alignment of the infrared
modems. This resulted in having to position the infrared modem mounted
poles on the roof to make them less sensitive to the way the bldgs.
leaned as different sides were heated and cooled during the course of
the day.

The HYPERchannel vendor attempted to talk the corporation into letting
them release my software support. However, there was strong objection
from the group in POK that was hoping to eventually get ESCON released
(and they felt any improvement in HYPERchannel in the market, would
reduce the chance of ever making business case for shipping ESCON). As a
result, the HYPERchannel vendor had to reverse engineer my software
support and re-implement it from scratch (to ship to customers).

One of the things I had done in the support ... was if I got an
unrecoverable transmission error ... I would simulate a channel check
error in status back to the kernel software. This was copied in the
vendor implementation and would result in phone call from the 3090
product administrator several years later. Turns out that the industry
service that gathered EREP data and generated summary reports of error
statistics ... was showing 3090 channel checks being 3-4 times the
expected rate.

They tracked it down to HYPERchannel software support generating
channel checks in simulated ending status. After a little research, I
determined that IFCC (interface control checks) resulted in identical
same path through error recovery (as channel checks) and talked the
HYPERchannel vendor into changing their software support to simulate
IFCC for unrecoverable transmission errors.

About the same time, there was a different problem inside the
corporation ... that seemed to affect STL more than many of the other
labs.  I had stumbled across the ADVENTURE game at Tymshare (had been
ported from PDP10 at stanford to the TYMSHARE vm370/cms commercial
timesharing service) ... and managed to obtain a copy of the fortran
source ...  and made a copy of the CMS executable on the internal
network.  For a period, some number of locations seemed to have all
their computing resources going to employees doing nothing but playing
ADVENTURE (for people demonstrating that they succesfully acquired all
points and finished the game, I would send them a copy of the
source). STL management would eventually decree that employees would
have a 24hr grace period, but after that, any employee caught playing
ADVENTURE during standard work hours would be dealt with severely.

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Re: Help with IEWFETCH Error RC0F Reason 40 (Resoloved!)

2010-09-01 Thread Mark Zelden
On Wed, 1 Sep 2010 14:41:16 -0500, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote:

On Wed, 1 Sep 2010 14:02:23 -0400, Lizette Koehler wrote:

It took awhile but we found the culprit.  One of my coworkers ran a
compress against a production file during prime time.

That process is being reviewed and appropriate changes will go into place.

Thanks everyone who helped me.  I thought I knew, I just wasn't sure I
knew.  But I knew.  ;-)

Would PDSE prevent that problem, even while introducing several others?


Sorry I wasn't really paying attention to this thread, but the answer to your
question is of course YES since PDSE can't be compressed.  If the reason
had been extending the data set while open (a new extent), then the
answer would still be YES.  Even if in the LNKLST (assuming an LLA
refresh was done).

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O/T IBM to Ship World's Fastest Computer Chip

2010-09-01 Thread Ed Gould
TECHNOLOGYIBM to Ship World's Fastest Computer ChipBy Jennifer BootonPublished 
September 01, 2010| FOXBusiness  Print  Email  Share  Comments (0)  Text 
Size  International Business Machines (IBM: 125.76 ,+2.76 ,+2.24%) ticked up 
more than 2.3% early Wednesday after announcing it will begin shipping the 
world’s fastest computer chip in a newversion of the IBM mainframe on Sept. 
10.IBM said demand from businesses that manage huge workloads, such as banks 
and retailers, led to the development of the new microprocessor.The new 
zEnterprise technology was born after more than $1.5 billion in IBM research 
and development as well as more than three years of collaborations with its 
global clientele.IBM said the zEnterprise 196 is its most powerful commercial 
system, containing 96 of the world’s fastest, most powerful microprocessors, 
and capable of executing more than 50 billion instructions a second, or roughly 
17,000 times more instructions
 than the Model 91, the high-end of IBM’s popular System/360 family, could 
execute in 1970.It offers 60% more capacity than its predecessor and 
has new software to optimize performance of data-heavy workloads.The z196 
processor is a four-core chip that contains 1.4 billion transistors on a 
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Oracle mainframe gateways

2010-09-01 Thread Frank Swarbrick
Now that Oracle is no longer enhancing their z/OS database server and client 
applications I was surprised to see that they apparently are still enhancing 
their gateway products; specifically Oracle Gateway for IMS and Oracle 
Gateway for VSAM.
Anyone use these?  Anyone know Oracle's future direction with regard to them?

Doesn't solve my issue of getting from z/OS to Oracle, but could help with 
distributed clients getting to our IMS and VSAM data, if that's somethine we 
want to do.  Yes, I know there are many other products that can be used for 
this.

Thanks,
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Re: isolating sensitive data in coupling facility

2010-09-01 Thread Ted MacNEIL
No foreign CF can be 
connected to the sysplex, even if physically connected via coupling links.

This is correct.
But, if you connect 'foreign' CF's up to a SYSPLEX, it will poll them, causing 
performance problems on the 'PLEX where they are active.

Our hardware guys went connectivity/symmetry nuts, a couple of years ago, and 
we had issues.

We talked to IBM, and they stated that this was working (broken) as designed.

Each SYSPLEX polls all connected CF's, 'in case' it might 'suddenly' become 
active.

Considering you have to run a new CFRM and a CF can only be active on one 
SYSPLEX at a time, this is a completely specious reason.

IBM said the only way to stop the polling was to CONFIG them offline to all but 
the SYSPLEX that owned them.
(Or, only gen them to one SYSPLEX)

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Re: mainframe batch consumer of web service

2010-09-01 Thread Frank Swarbrick
Might be an interesting way to get our Java z/OS feet wet.  I'm thinking we 
might have an OO COBOL program for the business part of the application call 
Java for the web services access.  Could be fun!  :-)
Thanks,
Frank

On 9/1/2010 at 12:56 PM, in message
aanlktim6xxd9x-azphwa2=gdhuzk4yoy+oaqrjdsf...@mail.gmail.com, Kirk Wolf
k...@dovetail.com wrote:
 You can do it in batch with Java and JZOS (and free).
 There is an example in the JZOS Cookbook which uses the Apache Axis2
 framework.
 
 The JZOS Cookbook can be downloaded from the JZOS alphaWorks site:
 http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/zosjavabatchtk 
 
 Kirk Wolf
 Dovetailed Technologies
 http://dovetail.com 
 
 
 
 On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Frank Swarbrick 
 frank.swarbr...@efirstbank.com wrote:
 
 Anyone out there have mainframe batch programs that consume distributed web
 services?  What are you using?  Java?  EXCI and CICS web service client?
  Vendor product?  Something else?

 Thanks,
 Frank

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Re: format of STCK instruction

2010-09-01 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In snt113-w311bbdc7d3099908f63b8bc6...@phx.gbl, on 08/31/2010
   at 10:34 PM, john gilmore john_w_gilm...@msn.com said:

We have, I believe, an obligation to mention the defects of
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Re: Set numbers off permanently.

2010-09-01 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In listserv%201008311651566804.0...@bama.ua.edu, on 08/31/2010
   at 04:51 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:

It's only trying to help you.

That's what I call a Mollie Malone:

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Re: Where doc for STORAGE LINKAGE=SYSTEM?

2010-09-01 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In p06240804c8a398a16...@[192.168.1.11], on 09/01/2010
   at 01:46 AM, Robert A. Rosenberg hal9...@panix.com said:

I think LINKAGE=SYSTEM requires the user to be in Authorized state. 

Wouldn't that apply to LINKAGE=BRANCH rather than LINKAGE=SYSTEM? 
 
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Re: Set numbers off permanently.

2010-09-01 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In aanlkti=+hgnuyqzv1xmm+hmmqbdt2ue3fahyaz-xv...@mail.gmail.com, on
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   at 08:57 PM, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com said:

Because ISPF is 1980s technology?

ITYM 1970's.
 
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Source for microprocessor nomenclature on z10 and z196

2010-09-01 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
Does anybody have a source for the official nomenclature of the
microprocessors on the z10 and z196? Thanks.

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I am Curious

2010-09-01 Thread Hale, Bob
I am curious how many sites that used CA CoolGen, Host Encyclopedia, All Fusion 
Gen, or whatever it is called now, have converted off of this or quit 
developing new apps under it.

Bob

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Re: Virginia DOT outage

2010-09-01 Thread Gerhard Adam
What we can learn here is to be more careful when using modern storage
systems. They are more a computer system than storage today. And it is no
matter if you have a mainframe or a Nintendo server. Both we need data to
work.

This has nothing to do with modern storage systems, and everything to do
with modern attitudes that have forgotten the lessons of the past.

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Re: Set numbers off permanently.

2010-09-01 Thread William H. Blair
| Because ISPF is 1980s technology?
| 
| ITYM 1970's.

It would, in fact, be 1976, to be specific about it.

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Changing the size of the TFS

2010-09-01 Thread John Norgauer
Can the size of the TFS be changed only at IPL time?



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Re: Virginia DOT outage

2010-09-01 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 9/1/2010 2:33:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
gada...@charter.net writes:

doesn't this say more about the disaster recovery
scenario than  anything else?



More like never been tested under  load.




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Re: Set numbers off permanently.

2010-09-01 Thread zMan
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:10 PM, William H. Blair wmhbl...@comcast.net wrote:
 It would, in fact, be 1976, to be specific about it.

I was giving it a few years -- it has evolved a TINY bit.
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Re: Virginia DOT outage

2010-09-01 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Wed, 1 Sep 2010 18:18:19 EDT, Ed Finnell wrote:

In a message dated 9/1/2010 2:33:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
writes:

doesn't this say more about the disaster recovery
scenario than  anything else?


More like never been tested under  load.


In all those story links, there was no mention at all that their DR plan was 
even invoked.

Maybe it wasn't deemed to be a significant enough failure to warrant 
executing their DR plan ???

Maybe they don't have a DR plan ???

I don't live in Virginia, so it doesn't affect me personally. At least I don't 
think 
it does. If Northrup-Grumman has to pay for this, who are there other 
customers ??? They may have to raise their rates to make up for the loss, so I 
actually might end up paying for it. Hm

The Virginia Governor's office seems a little worried. Lot's of blame being 
aimed 
right at them. Do you think the outsourcer is feeling the same kind of heat ??? 
So what if they lose a client. They'll get another.

I'd be interested in reading details about the array failure. Some of the 
comments questioned the likelihood of a dual failure. So what failed and 
when ??? Maybe the first failure went unreported or was ignored ??? A dual 
failure is pretty unlikely...

There's a lot more to this than is being reported. I sure hope it's not buried.

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Re: Virginia DOT outage

2010-09-01 Thread Gerhard Adam
In all those story links, there was no mention at all that their DR plan
was 
even invoked.

Maybe it wasn't deemed to be a significant enough failure to warrant 
executing their DR plan ???

If a seven day outage isn't enough, what would it take?  A nuclear first
strike?  In my view, this is precisely what's wrong with most DR plans, is
that they don't actually plan for the likeliest cases.

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Re: Changing the size of the TFS

2010-09-01 Thread David Geib
You will need to unmount it, then mount the new (re-sized) TFS. This can be
done any time - same as any other mount.

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Re: Set numbers off permanently.

2010-09-01 Thread Bill Fairchild
Native TSO itself had barely crawled out of the primordial ooze in the early 
1970s.  By 1975 I was working with the first full-screen editor running under 
TSO that I ever did, and it was not developed by IBM.  And the only thing 
supported in full-screen mode was editing.  The first time I worked anywhere 
where I was forced to use ISPF was 3Q 1987.  Commercial products like Roscoe 
filled the gap and eased the pain.  And I remember stacking many, many commands 
into a single Superwylbur line command.

Bill Fairchild
Rocket Software  

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   at 08:57 PM, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com said:

Because ISPF is 1980s technology?

ITYM 1970's.
 
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Re: Virginia DOT outage

2010-09-01 Thread J R
 ... police are not sighting people who are stopped and found to have recently 
 expired licenses.  

If the police are not sighting them, how are they stopping them -- and how do 
they know their licences are recently expired?  ;-)  

 
 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 13:06:05 -0500
 From: ibmsysp...@geek-sites.com
 Subject: Virginia DOT outage
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 
 As many of you may know the State of Virginia has been dealing with a major 
 computer system outage impacting 24 departments.
 The outage has extended over 7 business days with no estimated time for 
 repair.
 Most of the press that I have seen discusses driver license renewals being 
 down to the extent that police are not sighting people who are stopped and 
 found to have recently expired licenses.
 
 Some of the stories suggest the problem is in a DASD server and memory 
 cards need to be replaced and possibly data recovered.
 
 Most US state's DOT are large IMS and or DB2 shops.
 
 Any one have more details?
 There must be a database lesson to be learned here.
 Or a Mainframe vs smaller server lesson.
 
 Here is a link to a recent article
 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
 dyn/content/article/2010/08/31/AR2010083105968.html 
 
 Av Friedman
  
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Re: Set numbers off permanently.

2010-09-01 Thread J R
Maybe I'm misremembering but I'm sure I was using SPF, not ISPF, in or around 
1974 -- and that *was* developed within IBM.  

 
 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 00:17:07 +
 From: bi...@mainstar.com
 Subject: Re: Set numbers off permanently.
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 
 Native TSO itself had barely crawled out of the primordial ooze in the early 
 1970s. By 1975 I was working with the first full-screen editor running under 
 TSO that I ever did, and it was not developed by IBM. And the only thing 
 supported in full-screen mode was editing. The first time I worked anywhere 
 where I was forced to use ISPF was 3Q 1987. Commercial products like Roscoe 
 filled the gap and eased the pain. And I remember stacking many, many 
 commands into a single Superwylbur line command.
 
 Bill Fairchild
 Rocket Software 
 
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 Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
 Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 4:34 PM
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 Subject: Re: Set numbers off permanently.
 
 In aanlkti=+hgnuyqzv1xmm+hmmqbdt2ue3fahyaz-xv...@mail.gmail.com, on
 08/31/2010
 at 08:57 PM, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com said:
 
 Because ISPF is 1980s technology?
 
 ITYM 1970's.
 
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Re: Set numbers off permanently.

2010-09-01 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I remember, in 1981, it was still called SPF.
The name changed in the mid 1980's, IIRC.

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Re: Virginia DOT outage

2010-09-01 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg

At 20:25 -0400 on 09/01/2010, J R wrote about Re: Virginia DOT outage:

  ... police are not sighting people who are stopped and found to 
have recently expired licenses. 


If the police are not sighting them, how are they stopping them -- 
and how do they know their licences are recently expired?


While they are SIGHTING them, the problem is that they are not CITING 
them. When they are stopped and hand over an expired license there is 
no need to check the computer - the document itself has an expired 
date on it. All checking with the computer would do is verify if the 
license had been renewed (and thus was in force). Also the computer 
check would be needed to spot a license whose expiration date had not 
yet been reached but which had been suspended.


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